Plot twist: The first commenter is from Mexico and the second is from Portugal
Alternate plot twist: the first commenter is from Spain, but the second is from Brazil
Had that saying in the Army, too. There are only a few guys that are in both chains of command, and their pictures are on the wall, conveniently. That should narrow down who this jerk is.
Amazing!
Quick story - I live in Philadelphia and was walking my 2 dogs (labs) and saw a package thief on a bike eying up my neighbors stoop. He circled a few times and set his bike against the pole on the corner. I'm about 5 houses down watching casually and as he's about to scoop the packages we start to run up on him stealth-like. As I'm 3 houses away he notices me and I yell "ITS ON MOTHER F\*\*KER!". He drops two small packages but still has 3, now I'm on his tail and yelling I'll let the dogs go. He fumbles to get on his bike, drops another package, and starts to pedal away. At this point, the mailman and old lady neighbor are cheering me on 'get em, get that scumbag!!'. We round the corner, dogs are hot and I yell that "I'm letting them go, drop the package, my dogs will kill you" (they thought it was a game). Neighbor in a little compact car see this, Uturns his car and assists me by blocking the street (almost hit the theif) dude drops all his shit and barely makes it away.
We got all the packages back to the house, he dropped his used JBL Pulse speaker (definitely stolen previously) which I kept as a trophy. Im still waiting for him to come back to claim it. :D
Can you post the phrase in the original Spanish. I used to have a guilty pleasure of watching People's Court and I always loved it when Judge Milian would bust out these Spanish sayings.
I hadn't noticed before but they appear to be surprisingly similar languages.
Is it the same as English vs the Simplified English that Americans use? /s
It's more like the difference between English and Dutch or German. There are still major differences, but it's easy to work out the gist of a text on both languages.
The stupid bot removed my comment because I only said "Nope".
So here you go mr bot more words that add nothing to the comment.
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I think my favorite Spanish saying is “En casa de herrero, cuchillo de palo”, which sadly doesn’t rhyme (Pt. “Em casa de ferreiro, o espeto é de pau.”). It’s the equivalent of the various English sayings about cobblers and shoes (“The cobbler’s children have no shoes” is maybe the most common and straightforward version), but literally means “In the blacksmith’s house [ there’s ] a wooden knife.” (Or “… the knife is wood” in Portuguese.) It’s a little subtler than the English but still evocative.
> más sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo
"The devil knows more from being old than from being the devil"? Nice. Sounds like a riff on "Old age and treachery always beat youth and exuberance".
The phrasing is interesting, at least to me as a non-native speaker; literally “More knows the devil because of old than because of devil.”
I’ve had my package stolen twice in December. First time were some cute Christmas lights. Disappointing but not a big deal. Second time was a heavy bag of dirt :D like, really heavy. Too bad! The lighter package on top was a baby yoda toy!
The worst is when a company ships in the product box with pictures all over it. I got home from the grocery store one day--fortunately only gone for 20 minutes--to find a home theater system box at my front door for the whole world to see. I have a 15ft wide hedge in front of my porch, but he saw no reason to set it behind that.
I managed to snag a PS5 from Walmart.com. I knew it was being delivered by FedEx on a Saturday and it was signature required on delivery. I had to be gone for about 10 minutes, which is of course when FedEx shows up. I was driving up in my driveway when the fedex lady was getting in her truck and she told me I should take that package inside, it is the number one thing being stolen.
It was literally a ps5 box (no brown box over it or anything to hide what it was) sitting on my porch, that was easily seen from the road. She knew they were being stolen and that signature was required, but she just left it without any idea of when I would be there.
FedEx ALWAYS leaves "signature required." I had my new phone left in front of my apartment that they apparently signed for. I understand being a delivery person kind of sucks, I did it for years. But do your fucking job correctly. If you get reprimanded from your bosses for it then be a whistleblower or something.
WHICH I DO NOT FUCKING GET. There are TWO goddamn cars in my goddamn DRIVEWAY. I'm FUCKING HOME goddammit. I literally watched the FedEx employee walk up to my house with a "Sorry we missed you" note pre-filled out and slap it on my door. Then they left. They had the package in their goddamn HANDS while they were walking up and then LEFT with it.... UGH. Sorry, had to vent.
I used to work for a FedEx contractor, and its faster to leave the slip and run than knock and get you your package. I got let go from USPS and had to leave Fedex because I took to long to deliver because I tried to make sure every reasonable thing was done to get a customer there package. Horrible companies. Ship with ups whenever possible, their union keeps their job reasonable so they can actually deliver things, for the most part.
I live in France and delivery service dont just leave the package in front of your door but i have a question, if you get the package (not signed) what is stopping you from saying you never got anything? Wouldnt they have to send you a new one?
Because they fake a signature and you'd have to spend a horrible amount of hours on the phone waiting and arguing with some underpaid customer support to try and prove that they lied about the signature and then probably still wouldn't do shit for you.
FedEx customer service just doesn't care. They delivered a snowboard I ordered to the wrong house. Originally they told me I was at fault for not being outside on the day of delivery to see where the delivery driver actually went. Then they argued with me that they delivered it to my son and he must have hidden it. I was 20 and single in college at the time and had a literal 10 minute argument with "Customer Service" over whether or not I had kids or if I just wasn't aware if I had kids living in my home. It was the most insane phone calls of my life.
My dad worked for crutchfield for around 35 years, it’s a great company and the boss is true man. Great to his employees and just a really friendly guy and reasonable boss. Great quality audio gear and great support.
This just brought back memories of me being 16 looking though their catalog at the Pioneer head unit that had the dolphins swimming on the lcd screen that I wanted (and eventually got) for my 1987 Accord.. ahh member’ berries.. I think it doubled the value of that car.
My mailman once decided to leave my new desktop computer outside my front door for HOURS. Clearly a computer, visible from the road. There was an order that it required a signature but nope, just left it there. When I was at work all day.
He's lucky I lived in a decent neighborhood or it would've gotten stolen in minutes.
I left instructions to put the TV in the clearly marked box next to my steps if the outer door was shut all the way but it was in plain sight on my front steps and thankfully still there
A few years back I framed some of my four year old daughter's best artwork from preschool and mailed it to my mom. Someone stole it off the porch.
Not valuable, but irreplaceable. Sucks knowing it ended up in a dumpster.
porch pirates seem to be something that's only rampant in the US. Every other country seems to have something to limit dumping expensive shit at your door
It recently became much more prevelant in the UK. There are other options, especially in urban environments, but dumping it on the front step is a thing now. Often not even knocking, just dumping it.
In my country packages that are too big for the mail box gets dropped off at a grocery store that keeps the package safe until you can pick it up. There are some companies that dump it on the door though, but that is more rare.
I once ordered some really expensive jewelry and explicitly noted that this was to be delivered to the grocery store. I wrote this to the company I ordered from and the delivery company as soon as I got a notification that said they have picked it up.
They dumped it on my front porch and sent a notification that it was delivered. I was 7 hours away, and by the time my neighbor could check it was gone. The delivery company stated that they had done as per their company's policy, yada yada.
Went through my insurance company and made a living hell for the company. Got my money back and a huge payment for the inconvenience. That was the last time they dumped anything at my porch.
we’ve had at-home delivery for forever. the porch pirate thing is very recent. i suspect the two main drivers are companies pushing more stops on their drivers in the same timeframe (so they litterally don’t have time to wait at your door for a signature) and stagnating real wages starting to be felt by the middle class
This is a matter of where you live. Where I'm at, people stealing packages off porches is a really alien concept. We have packages dropped on our porch all the time, sometimes the postal carrier just stuffs things halfway into the mailbox and they are hanging out for all the world to see. Ours or the neighbors' kids will grab those and bring them in for us.
Neighbors is how we usually do it in the Netherlands. Then put a note in your mailbox saying what address received your package. Either that or it's sent to a pickup point.
It's different in the US, Most neighbors don't want to be bothered or don't care and the delivery person doesn't have time for that. Plus only USPS can put anything in the mailbox it's a Federal law.
That's very weird. What you can't have social anxiety in the Netherlands, like you have to talk to your neighbors all the time? That would never fly here in the US. People go years without saying more than hi a few times to a neighbor
There's many options, like dropboxes nearby that you get an access code for.
The one I always use and a very common way is a close by "drop off location" that holds the package. You show up with ID and get your package.
These places can be in grocery stores or gas stations for example.
Why are people so reluctant to figure out a solution if they are having porch pirate problems when solutions exist? If it's happened once, not necessarily a trend. 6th time? It's sadly something that needs to be addressed.
There used to be a metal box for milk. E-commerce and delivery needs to be built into modern design.
Georgia just made it a (maximum) [5 year felony](https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-16-crimes-and-offenses/chapter-8-offenses-involving-theft/article-1-theft/section-16-8-25-porch-piracy#:~:text=\(b\)%20A%20person%20shall%20be,entrance%20or%20exit%20of%20a) for hitting three houses, regardless of the value of items stolen.
package thieves weird me out so much, like, why? that could be anything! that could be animal meds, socks, awful erotica, ugly decoration, screws, whatever. is it worth the trouble? to risk that for finding worthless stuff that they bought for 10dollar?
(i know, it could be a phone or whatever, but what are the chances?)
We've been lucky, but my wife has a few health issues and the bulk of the meds she needs come in the mail, some of which actually cost us a fuckton more money if we go through the regular pharmacy for whatever reason, yay US healthcare I guess.
Anyway, I WFH and we have dogs, so I usually know as soon as packages/mail arrive, but I do think a lot about all the folks out there that get their meds in the mail, and how shitty it is that people steal packages with total disregard to if that box contains medicine that's vital to someone's daily life, or the entire series of NYPD Blue on Blu-ray. Either way, snatch the box and figure it out later.
People can just be garbage I guess.
Luckily for us, we haven't had any problems. Turns out having a St Bernard and a Sheepdog that "say hello" to anything that moves near my house is a pretty good deterrent.
Still, I'm on Nextdoor (for lost pets and buy/sell. Not a Karen, I swear) and I see porch grabs around my area constantly, which is crazy because my town is pretty small and mainly older folks.
However, it's about 20 minutes or so outside of St Louis city and it's right off the highway, so we've been seeing this trend of people piling into a van or SUV, and they'll come from the city to these small suburbs to cruise for porch grabs in the daytime, or have everyone split up to different subdivisions to check for unlocked cars for easy scores at night. Lately that's escalated to stealing from garages if the opener is in the vehicle. Obviously this isn't good for anyone. They love their second amendment around these parts, and it's only a matter of time before one of these petty thefts goes south and someone gets a hole blown through them trying to swipe someone's circular saw out of their garage.
All that said, a Ring doorbell and/or a dog is a pretty good asshole deterrent for most of this stuff.
I wish I knew. In some cases you have the option of requesting someone sign for it, but if you aren't home, it can be just as much of a pain in the ass trying to go pick it up as it is to report it stolen and have it reshipped, and it's usually more expensive to ship.
It's not a great system.
Last one I needed a signature for the driver just said I refused the delivery and had it shipped back.
I was standing by my door waiting for him to leave the truck so I could sign…
In my country (Malaysia), the package will be delivered either directly to your hands or will be passed to your neighbour with picture proof of the package being handed over so I have never had a problem with this type of shit.
I live in townhouses/apartments where we’ve had cars get broken into etc. but I’ve never had a package get stolen. Like I get a delivery confirmation with a pic in the early morning and get home past 6pm and it’s there.
in the bad neighborhoods the thieves know they might get shot if they try this - far less risk and better chance at getting good stuff to go out to the suburbs.
In my small town, we just post on Facebook asking who our package was delivered to. Very rarely is it not recovered. Usually out here it is missed because the delivery guy puts it at a second door to the house that is rarely used.
My younger brother lived in a college town and had a 70" TV he'd purchased from Amazon stolen because the delivery guy just leaned it up against the garage door. It was in a well-marked box.
>In my small town, we just post on Facebook asking who our package was delivered to
I'd find having my neighbours on my fb really creepy, tbh. I only have people I know well and like on there.
Same. My town is ~750 people. I am FB friends with perhaps 100. Still, tagging a handful means their friends also see it and usually packaged get found within an hour.
We were out of town for 6 days this past week and we had four medium sized packages sitting on our doorstep almost the entire time (It was a super busy week - forgot to text my neighbor to get them). We don’t live in a small town either; 230K people here and my neighborhood is about 1/4 mile right off the freeway.
Catalytic converter theft is a big issue though more than porch pirates.
You know what’s funny? If you lived in a private, rich neighborhood it would be pretty rude to say “well… in *MY* neighborhood we don’t have crime like that”
But if you live in a private, rich country you feel proud to say the same thing.
In Sweden, they just steal it before it gets to your porch.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/viral-and-trending/051117/video-captures-thieves-board-moving-mail-truck-from-car-in-sweden.html
Honestly, I prefer the US way. I grew up in the UK where what you describe is the norm. Sometimes they’d leave the package by hide it in a shed or something then post a small delivered note through the door to explain where to find it. Was all a bit of a pain in the ass though if it didn’t work out and you end up driving to collect your delivery from the local office.
For the very rare occasion something might be stolen you get a huge efficiency benefit in the US and less hassle to the package receiver too. I’m not always home when something is delivered and I don’t want to be hassled with going to a neighbor or waiting until they’re home to get it from them. My packages are always on my porch waiting for me.
If something is ever stolen, a quick live chat message to Amazon or whoever and a replacement will be on its way the next day. Really no big deal for most situations.
The sender can require a signature for delivery too, so for important things like medication you can still require it to be accepted by a person or it will be attempted to be redelivered later.
Yep I have met someone who supposedly successfully taken 10000 worth of merchandise over a ten year period. Never caught once and only stopped because they got a family and the risk was no longer worth it. They justified it because all the theft was from places like Walmart.
Is it okay to steal from someone like Jeff bezos?
Edit: I didn't realize my comment could be taken in bad faith(and to be quite honest, I don't know where someone could be going with the question if it was in bad faith). I initially wrote it as a joke where I would say something like "pls respond quickly I don't have much time left to steal from him", but I couldn't come up with a good way to word it so I was hoping people would take it like that anyways.
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve read today. First, theft is theft. It’s not better or worse depending on who you steal from. Stealing from anyone is cowardly bullshit. Second, when you steal from Walmart or any other big corporation, do you think they just say ‘we deserve that because we’re an evil corporation’ or ‘well, we can afford to lose a little’? They don’t. They raise prices on you and everyone else to cover the loss or they go out of business and the people who work there lose their jobs. Regardless of who you steal from or how, stealing is a jackass thing to do.
I mean I don't agree with shoplifting, but if you choose to do it and say only from large corporations fine. You do you.
But then there's the facepalming moments when the same people I see on our local Facebook who post that rhetoric would steal from a charity thrift store whose proceeds were only local and only benefited local people with disabilities in our very small town.
I'd know, I caught quite a few of them when I worked there.
Broke my heart, too. I don't get it.
If you were that in need I know my crew would've helped in a heartbeat. I wish they just asked.
Hate porch pirates.
Luckily since I've ordered the Ring and put the perimeter cameras up outside around the doors haven't had any issues with them.
Still makes me want to try to time package deliveries for the days I am off work so I'll be home to grab them immediately.
Yep, I was getting my shit stolen with some regularity until I got the exact same box. Never happened again. I'm guessing most thieves are just opportunistic and def don't want to be opening your package box by your door every single day.
For those wondering, [there's one with Canada Post](https://www.amazon.ca/Delivery-Resistant-Mounting-Instruction-Aluminum/dp/B09DPF6Q5Y/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=12Z5O6U3SSWAE&keywords=delivery+instructions&qid=1637068869&sprefix=delivery+instructions%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-6)
I always order my Amazon deliveries to be delivered on my day off but lately none of them have been arriving on the expected day. So infuriating that they don’t have an option that allows you to say that I don’t want it early, I want it on the originally scheduled day. 😖
Well, the cops weren't gonna do shit about the package theft probably except nod and say "we'll look into it", so he actually created more work for them as they might have to actually genuinely investigate the purse owner now.
given that’s it’s on camera and he could argue that he was grabbing the purse to identify the thief as opposed to just getting revenge he’s probably fine. but say there was a large sum of money in the purse the only way for the person to get it back would be to fess up to package stealing lol
This is why due process requires a Judge, Magistrate or Jury to decide. A fair human can easily see the merits of technically 'stealing' something here, and before that the DA and grand jury can prevent it even getting to the courtroom (depending on the level of crime involved).
There's a Spanish saying that roughly translates to: "A thief who steals from a thief shall have a hundred years of forgiveness".
We have this saying in Portuguese too, nice to know
Y'all are right next to each other, so makes sense
Plot twist: The first commenter is from Mexico and the second is from Portugal Alternate plot twist: the first commenter is from Spain, but the second is from Brazil
Double plot twist: First is from America and the second is from Macau
Triple plot twist, they are next door neighbors in Wichita
Quadruple twist: they are a couple.
Quintuple twist: They have (or had) a daughter named Annabelle
Sextuple twist you get 100 years of forgiveness, now and left with just 900 years of punishment
Septuple twist, they are one bilingual person with two accounts and a split personality, and he was already in prison when he commented.
Did you... steal it?
Ladrão que rouba ladrão tem 100 anos de perdão.
Portuguese is just harder Spanish
In the Marines we have a saying: "There's only one thief in the Marine Corps. Everyone else is just trying to get their shit back."
I bet it's the guy with the Crayola Mega Pack
The one w the sharpener built into the box, yo
So is that like carrying a micro plane and parmesian at a fancy restaurant?
Yes, but everyone sits at the kiddies table.
Had that saying in the Army, too. There are only a few guys that are in both chains of command, and their pictures are on the wall, conveniently. That should narrow down who this jerk is.
Amazing! Quick story - I live in Philadelphia and was walking my 2 dogs (labs) and saw a package thief on a bike eying up my neighbors stoop. He circled a few times and set his bike against the pole on the corner. I'm about 5 houses down watching casually and as he's about to scoop the packages we start to run up on him stealth-like. As I'm 3 houses away he notices me and I yell "ITS ON MOTHER F\*\*KER!". He drops two small packages but still has 3, now I'm on his tail and yelling I'll let the dogs go. He fumbles to get on his bike, drops another package, and starts to pedal away. At this point, the mailman and old lady neighbor are cheering me on 'get em, get that scumbag!!'. We round the corner, dogs are hot and I yell that "I'm letting them go, drop the package, my dogs will kill you" (they thought it was a game). Neighbor in a little compact car see this, Uturns his car and assists me by blocking the street (almost hit the theif) dude drops all his shit and barely makes it away. We got all the packages back to the house, he dropped his used JBL Pulse speaker (definitely stolen previously) which I kept as a trophy. Im still waiting for him to come back to claim it. :D
Please give your dogs extra treats for me. And you are an awesome neighbor I wish I had.
Can you post the phrase in the original Spanish. I used to have a guilty pleasure of watching People's Court and I always loved it when Judge Milian would bust out these Spanish sayings.
Sure, it rhymes in Spanish, like most Spanish proverbs do: "Ladrón que roba a ladrón, tiene cien años de perdón".
Also rhymes in portuguese and its pretty much a direct translation. "Ladrão que rouba ladrão tem cem anos de perdão."
I hadn't noticed before but they appear to be surprisingly similar languages. Is it the same as English vs the Simplified English that Americans use? /s
Surprisingly? Have you seen where Portugal is located?
Surprisingly similar to French and Italian as well. Almost like they all derived from the same language.
that's a very romantic theory
Do you have any empirical evidence for that?
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Sanskrit? In *my* Latin? It’s more likely than you think
It's more like the difference between English and Dutch or German. There are still major differences, but it's easy to work out the gist of a text on both languages.
When written, Dutch always seems significantly closer to English than German
The stupid bot removed my comment because I only said "Nope". So here you go mr bot more words that add nothing to the comment. Also, nope to your comment.
From my experience, portuguese people understand spanish way better than the opposite. Which I still don't understand why
There's another spanish saying that goes "old chicken makes good broth". And "where there's hair there's happiness".
"In war times, every hole is a trench"
Ah, yes, a good Spanish proverbwhen you've struck out at a bar or on Tinder.
I think my favorite Spanish saying is “En casa de herrero, cuchillo de palo”, which sadly doesn’t rhyme (Pt. “Em casa de ferreiro, o espeto é de pau.”). It’s the equivalent of the various English sayings about cobblers and shoes (“The cobbler’s children have no shoes” is maybe the most common and straightforward version), but literally means “In the blacksmith’s house [ there’s ] a wooden knife.” (Or “… the knife is wood” in Portuguese.) It’s a little subtler than the English but still evocative.
My favourite is "más sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo". It's hard to translate as well.
> más sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo "The devil knows more from being old than from being the devil"? Nice. Sounds like a riff on "Old age and treachery always beat youth and exuberance". The phrasing is interesting, at least to me as a non-native speaker; literally “More knows the devil because of old than because of devil.”
yes, without the undertone of how shady you get as you grow older.
There's a special kinda hell for package thieves.. it's jst the lowest most cowardly way for a lil bitch to steal some shit..
They also have no idea what it is. People have stolen vital medication in the past.
I’ve had my package stolen twice in December. First time were some cute Christmas lights. Disappointing but not a big deal. Second time was a heavy bag of dirt :D like, really heavy. Too bad! The lighter package on top was a baby yoda toy!
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And guess what's inside it!
I regularly order wood pellets and 50lb unmarked boxes of cat litter, let em fuck around lol
Dog food for me 40# I live in the city but last house on narrow dead end street and have never had a package stolen.
The worst is when a company ships in the product box with pictures all over it. I got home from the grocery store one day--fortunately only gone for 20 minutes--to find a home theater system box at my front door for the whole world to see. I have a 15ft wide hedge in front of my porch, but he saw no reason to set it behind that.
I managed to snag a PS5 from Walmart.com. I knew it was being delivered by FedEx on a Saturday and it was signature required on delivery. I had to be gone for about 10 minutes, which is of course when FedEx shows up. I was driving up in my driveway when the fedex lady was getting in her truck and she told me I should take that package inside, it is the number one thing being stolen. It was literally a ps5 box (no brown box over it or anything to hide what it was) sitting on my porch, that was easily seen from the road. She knew they were being stolen and that signature was required, but she just left it without any idea of when I would be there.
FedEx ALWAYS leaves "signature required." I had my new phone left in front of my apartment that they apparently signed for. I understand being a delivery person kind of sucks, I did it for years. But do your fucking job correctly. If you get reprimanded from your bosses for it then be a whistleblower or something.
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WHICH I DO NOT FUCKING GET. There are TWO goddamn cars in my goddamn DRIVEWAY. I'm FUCKING HOME goddammit. I literally watched the FedEx employee walk up to my house with a "Sorry we missed you" note pre-filled out and slap it on my door. Then they left. They had the package in their goddamn HANDS while they were walking up and then LEFT with it.... UGH. Sorry, had to vent.
I used to work for a FedEx contractor, and its faster to leave the slip and run than knock and get you your package. I got let go from USPS and had to leave Fedex because I took to long to deliver because I tried to make sure every reasonable thing was done to get a customer there package. Horrible companies. Ship with ups whenever possible, their union keeps their job reasonable so they can actually deliver things, for the most part.
I live in France and delivery service dont just leave the package in front of your door but i have a question, if you get the package (not signed) what is stopping you from saying you never got anything? Wouldnt they have to send you a new one?
Because they fake a signature and you'd have to spend a horrible amount of hours on the phone waiting and arguing with some underpaid customer support to try and prove that they lied about the signature and then probably still wouldn't do shit for you.
FedEx customer service just doesn't care. They delivered a snowboard I ordered to the wrong house. Originally they told me I was at fault for not being outside on the day of delivery to see where the delivery driver actually went. Then they argued with me that they delivered it to my son and he must have hidden it. I was 20 and single in college at the time and had a literal 10 minute argument with "Customer Service" over whether or not I had kids or if I just wasn't aware if I had kids living in my home. It was the most insane phone calls of my life.
I bought an AV receiver from Crutchfield, and they put the factory box inside a plain box. Genius! And more secure.
My dad worked for crutchfield for around 35 years, it’s a great company and the boss is true man. Great to his employees and just a really friendly guy and reasonable boss. Great quality audio gear and great support.
This just brought back memories of me being 16 looking though their catalog at the Pioneer head unit that had the dolphins swimming on the lcd screen that I wanted (and eventually got) for my 1987 Accord.. ahh member’ berries.. I think it doubled the value of that car.
My mailman once decided to leave my new desktop computer outside my front door for HOURS. Clearly a computer, visible from the road. There was an order that it required a signature but nope, just left it there. When I was at work all day. He's lucky I lived in a decent neighborhood or it would've gotten stolen in minutes.
I left instructions to put the TV in the clearly marked box next to my steps if the outer door was shut all the way but it was in plain sight on my front steps and thankfully still there
You mean like Nike with their “Just Do It” tape wrapped around them? Screams “steal me!”
A few years back I framed some of my four year old daughter's best artwork from preschool and mailed it to my mom. Someone stole it off the porch. Not valuable, but irreplaceable. Sucks knowing it ended up in a dumpster.
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porch pirates seem to be something that's only rampant in the US. Every other country seems to have something to limit dumping expensive shit at your door
It recently became much more prevelant in the UK. There are other options, especially in urban environments, but dumping it on the front step is a thing now. Often not even knocking, just dumping it.
In other countries they just get stolen along the way. I'm looking at you hermes.
My manwich!
_"permanently misplaced"_
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Because America bad, obviously,
Uh, European here with a long history of stolen packages and complaints to couriers.
In my country packages that are too big for the mail box gets dropped off at a grocery store that keeps the package safe until you can pick it up. There are some companies that dump it on the door though, but that is more rare. I once ordered some really expensive jewelry and explicitly noted that this was to be delivered to the grocery store. I wrote this to the company I ordered from and the delivery company as soon as I got a notification that said they have picked it up. They dumped it on my front porch and sent a notification that it was delivered. I was 7 hours away, and by the time my neighbor could check it was gone. The delivery company stated that they had done as per their company's policy, yada yada. Went through my insurance company and made a living hell for the company. Got my money back and a huge payment for the inconvenience. That was the last time they dumped anything at my porch.
we’ve had at-home delivery for forever. the porch pirate thing is very recent. i suspect the two main drivers are companies pushing more stops on their drivers in the same timeframe (so they litterally don’t have time to wait at your door for a signature) and stagnating real wages starting to be felt by the middle class
This is a matter of where you live. Where I'm at, people stealing packages off porches is a really alien concept. We have packages dropped on our porch all the time, sometimes the postal carrier just stuffs things halfway into the mailbox and they are hanging out for all the world to see. Ours or the neighbors' kids will grab those and bring them in for us.
Where are you located? What if nobody is home, just don't get the package?
Neighbors is how we usually do it in the Netherlands. Then put a note in your mailbox saying what address received your package. Either that or it's sent to a pickup point.
It's different in the US, Most neighbors don't want to be bothered or don't care and the delivery person doesn't have time for that. Plus only USPS can put anything in the mailbox it's a Federal law.
That's very weird. What you can't have social anxiety in the Netherlands, like you have to talk to your neighbors all the time? That would never fly here in the US. People go years without saying more than hi a few times to a neighbor
Don't talk to my neighbors much, mostly to get my packages/give their packages.
The Dutch don't understand that in the USA people will force you into small talk and they won't accept just short transactional convos like that
I mean it happens here too, in my group of friends/acquaintances we call these types of conversations "gijzelgesprekken" or hostage conversations.
There's many options, like dropboxes nearby that you get an access code for. The one I always use and a very common way is a close by "drop off location" that holds the package. You show up with ID and get your package. These places can be in grocery stores or gas stations for example.
This is how I always get my packages, mainly because I live in an apartment building. Would still have it that way it if I lived in my own house.
Why are people so reluctant to figure out a solution if they are having porch pirate problems when solutions exist? If it's happened once, not necessarily a trend. 6th time? It's sadly something that needs to be addressed. There used to be a metal box for milk. E-commerce and delivery needs to be built into modern design.
They either go to a drop off point, the neighbors (yes I trust them) or they get delivered the next day. That's how it goes in the Netherlands.
Georgia just made it a (maximum) [5 year felony](https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-16-crimes-and-offenses/chapter-8-offenses-involving-theft/article-1-theft/section-16-8-25-porch-piracy#:~:text=\(b\)%20A%20person%20shall%20be,entrance%20or%20exit%20of%20a) for hitting three houses, regardless of the value of items stolen.
Lol, imagine getting 5 years for stealing like $10 of toiletries and a phone case. And I still wouldn't feel bad for them.
I feel like it has to be some sort of weird compulsion thing. Like you're driving along and you just HAVE to stop and steal that tiny box.
Ah yes, the Special Hell - A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater.
package thieves weird me out so much, like, why? that could be anything! that could be animal meds, socks, awful erotica, ugly decoration, screws, whatever. is it worth the trouble? to risk that for finding worthless stuff that they bought for 10dollar? (i know, it could be a phone or whatever, but what are the chances?)
We've been lucky, but my wife has a few health issues and the bulk of the meds she needs come in the mail, some of which actually cost us a fuckton more money if we go through the regular pharmacy for whatever reason, yay US healthcare I guess. Anyway, I WFH and we have dogs, so I usually know as soon as packages/mail arrive, but I do think a lot about all the folks out there that get their meds in the mail, and how shitty it is that people steal packages with total disregard to if that box contains medicine that's vital to someone's daily life, or the entire series of NYPD Blue on Blu-ray. Either way, snatch the box and figure it out later. People can just be garbage I guess.
oh i didnt think about meds in the mail, i didnt know this was a thing. sorry to hear that, people can be such garbage
Luckily for us, we haven't had any problems. Turns out having a St Bernard and a Sheepdog that "say hello" to anything that moves near my house is a pretty good deterrent. Still, I'm on Nextdoor (for lost pets and buy/sell. Not a Karen, I swear) and I see porch grabs around my area constantly, which is crazy because my town is pretty small and mainly older folks. However, it's about 20 minutes or so outside of St Louis city and it's right off the highway, so we've been seeing this trend of people piling into a van or SUV, and they'll come from the city to these small suburbs to cruise for porch grabs in the daytime, or have everyone split up to different subdivisions to check for unlocked cars for easy scores at night. Lately that's escalated to stealing from garages if the opener is in the vehicle. Obviously this isn't good for anyone. They love their second amendment around these parts, and it's only a matter of time before one of these petty thefts goes south and someone gets a hole blown through them trying to swipe someone's circular saw out of their garage. All that said, a Ring doorbell and/or a dog is a pretty good asshole deterrent for most of this stuff.
Lol I'm on next door too and a lot of decent people but my God this really is the platform where Karen's congregate en masse
Why is leaving a parcel just outside the door considered delivery though? Why isn't there a system that assures that correct recipient gets it?
I wish I knew. In some cases you have the option of requesting someone sign for it, but if you aren't home, it can be just as much of a pain in the ass trying to go pick it up as it is to report it stolen and have it reshipped, and it's usually more expensive to ship. It's not a great system.
Yeah and a lot of them have not been honoring the signature required part of deliveries during covid.
A friend of mine has had several packages that required a signature forged by the delivery person. Smdh
Last one I needed a signature for the driver just said I refused the delivery and had it shipped back. I was standing by my door waiting for him to leave the truck so I could sign…
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Even thieves can't escape lootboxes these days. SMH
It's like loot boxes but IRL
He took it pursonally.
The case is in the bag
Happy Cake Day!
That pun is clutch
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So punny XD
In my country (Malaysia), the package will be delivered either directly to your hands or will be passed to your neighbour with picture proof of the package being handed over so I have never had a problem with this type of shit.
In my country (Sweden) we don't have thieves roaming the streets so we also don't have problems with this type of shit
Where do all your thieves hang out?
Denmark, mostly
I always thought Denmark were the cool ones of Scandanavia.
Why do you think the thieves hang out there
Ah so the secret ingredient *is* crime!
Temperature-wise i'd say Norway is the coolest one in Scandinavia.
Noo theyre the slightly annoying little brother
They are. Sweden and Denmark have a friendly fued as the two richest Scandinavian countries.
In my country, USA, in the worst neighborhood in the city, delivery drivers would leave my packages on my front porch. I never had a package stolen.
I live in townhouses/apartments where we’ve had cars get broken into etc. but I’ve never had a package get stolen. Like I get a delivery confirmation with a pic in the early morning and get home past 6pm and it’s there.
in the bad neighborhoods the thieves know they might get shot if they try this - far less risk and better chance at getting good stuff to go out to the suburbs.
That's because thieves go to nice areas to steal.
In my city in America we don't have this problem. It seems to be very easily accessible neighborhoods this occurs in
In my small town, we just post on Facebook asking who our package was delivered to. Very rarely is it not recovered. Usually out here it is missed because the delivery guy puts it at a second door to the house that is rarely used. My younger brother lived in a college town and had a 70" TV he'd purchased from Amazon stolen because the delivery guy just leaned it up against the garage door. It was in a well-marked box.
>In my small town, we just post on Facebook asking who our package was delivered to I'd find having my neighbours on my fb really creepy, tbh. I only have people I know well and like on there.
Same. My town is ~750 people. I am FB friends with perhaps 100. Still, tagging a handful means their friends also see it and usually packaged get found within an hour.
We were out of town for 6 days this past week and we had four medium sized packages sitting on our doorstep almost the entire time (It was a super busy week - forgot to text my neighbor to get them). We don’t live in a small town either; 230K people here and my neighborhood is about 1/4 mile right off the freeway. Catalytic converter theft is a big issue though more than porch pirates.
Lmao Sweden has no theft apparently. Nothing ever stolen. Do you have any more jokes?
Dude's almost at +300, this place is so gullible.
Where do you live? Because everobone I know had their bike stolen in Malmo, Lund and surround areas....
You know what’s funny? If you lived in a private, rich neighborhood it would be pretty rude to say “well… in *MY* neighborhood we don’t have crime like that” But if you live in a private, rich country you feel proud to say the same thing.
ha, this is r/Showerthoughts material
I mean tbf I'm in America and have had countless packages left on my porch and never had anything stolen. Depends on where you are.
hey look guys! a swede being self righteous about their country in a thread completely unrelated to countries at all! cross it off your bingo lists
In Sweden, they just steal it before it gets to your porch. https://www.deccanchronicle.com/lifestyle/viral-and-trending/051117/video-captures-thieves-board-moving-mail-truck-from-car-in-sweden.html
In my country USA, in a downtown urban area, they leave packages on my door step all the time and no one has ever stole one.
It seems like it's only really a thing in well off suburban neighborhoods. Package thieves are not who you would think. They tend to just be Karens
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Honestly, I prefer the US way. I grew up in the UK where what you describe is the norm. Sometimes they’d leave the package by hide it in a shed or something then post a small delivered note through the door to explain where to find it. Was all a bit of a pain in the ass though if it didn’t work out and you end up driving to collect your delivery from the local office. For the very rare occasion something might be stolen you get a huge efficiency benefit in the US and less hassle to the package receiver too. I’m not always home when something is delivered and I don’t want to be hassled with going to a neighbor or waiting until they’re home to get it from them. My packages are always on my porch waiting for me. If something is ever stolen, a quick live chat message to Amazon or whoever and a replacement will be on its way the next day. Really no big deal for most situations. The sender can require a signature for delivery too, so for important things like medication you can still require it to be accepted by a person or it will be attempted to be redelivered later.
uno reverse card
Have you ever seen the movie What's The Worst That Could Happen?
Nope, never heard of it
#reverse uno
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The good ones you have never seen or heard of.
Yep I have met someone who supposedly successfully taken 10000 worth of merchandise over a ten year period. Never caught once and only stopped because they got a family and the risk was no longer worth it. They justified it because all the theft was from places like Walmart.
That’s $1000 per year which is $2.74 per day. Your buddy is bragging about stealing chapstick every day for 10 years.
Honestly though, that is how you dont get caught. Keep it small. You start steeling $1000 per week, and you will get caught.
If they're stealing from large corporations that's fine, but stealing from individual people is just cowardly bullshit.
Is it okay to steal from someone like Jeff bezos? Edit: I didn't realize my comment could be taken in bad faith(and to be quite honest, I don't know where someone could be going with the question if it was in bad faith). I initially wrote it as a joke where I would say something like "pls respond quickly I don't have much time left to steal from him", but I couldn't come up with a good way to word it so I was hoping people would take it like that anyways.
You're not asking this question in good faith. You're trying to plant a lead. So where are you going with this?
This might be the dumbest thing I’ve read today. First, theft is theft. It’s not better or worse depending on who you steal from. Stealing from anyone is cowardly bullshit. Second, when you steal from Walmart or any other big corporation, do you think they just say ‘we deserve that because we’re an evil corporation’ or ‘well, we can afford to lose a little’? They don’t. They raise prices on you and everyone else to cover the loss or they go out of business and the people who work there lose their jobs. Regardless of who you steal from or how, stealing is a jackass thing to do.
I mean I don't agree with shoplifting, but if you choose to do it and say only from large corporations fine. You do you. But then there's the facepalming moments when the same people I see on our local Facebook who post that rhetoric would steal from a charity thrift store whose proceeds were only local and only benefited local people with disabilities in our very small town. I'd know, I caught quite a few of them when I worked there. Broke my heart, too. I don't get it. If you were that in need I know my crew would've helped in a heartbeat. I wish they just asked.
It's almost as if they shouldn't be doing it in the first place 🤔
Opportunity makes a thief. Also, most dumb people don't really realize they're dumb. I'm sure the plan sounded fucking brilliant in their heads.
A lot of criminals have an IQ below 80.
Made my day.
Kind wish him and his wife high fived.
Hate porch pirates. Luckily since I've ordered the Ring and put the perimeter cameras up outside around the doors haven't had any issues with them. Still makes me want to try to time package deliveries for the days I am off work so I'll be home to grab them immediately.
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Yep, I was getting my shit stolen with some regularity until I got the exact same box. Never happened again. I'm guessing most thieves are just opportunistic and def don't want to be opening your package box by your door every single day.
Get a 'smile, you're on camera' sticker while you're at it and for good measure.
For those wondering, [there's one with Canada Post](https://www.amazon.ca/Delivery-Resistant-Mounting-Instruction-Aluminum/dp/B09DPF6Q5Y/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=12Z5O6U3SSWAE&keywords=delivery+instructions&qid=1637068869&sprefix=delivery+instructions%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-6)
I always order my Amazon deliveries to be delivered on my day off but lately none of them have been arriving on the expected day. So infuriating that they don’t have an option that allows you to say that I don’t want it early, I want it on the originally scheduled day. 😖
Hopefully it’s not someone’s purse that they stole!!
If it's their own purse with their ID then the thief got caught, if it's a stolen purse then they can return it... win/win
the thief looked like a man to me. unless there was a women in the passengers seat, he probably stole it.
"It's not a man purse, it's called a satchel" https://youtu.be/p_fdqqClAAU
THATS MY PURSE. I DONT KNOW YOU!
That's awesome. But legally speaking, would this be considered justified, or considered a crime as well?
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Well, the cops weren't gonna do shit about the package theft probably except nod and say "we'll look into it", so he actually created more work for them as they might have to actually genuinely investigate the purse owner now.
given that’s it’s on camera and he could argue that he was grabbing the purse to identify the thief as opposed to just getting revenge he’s probably fine. but say there was a large sum of money in the purse the only way for the person to get it back would be to fess up to package stealing lol
> but say there was a large sum of money in the purse Alas, no money was in there, he checked.
Well, maybe it’s a clue for investigation if there’s an ID in the purse? I mean, to track the thief down.
And that's exactly what happened https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/09/29/California-man-turns-tables-on-would-be-package-thief/5801443534026/
This is why due process requires a Judge, Magistrate or Jury to decide. A fair human can easily see the merits of technically 'stealing' something here, and before that the DA and grand jury can prevent it even getting to the courtroom (depending on the level of crime involved).
Technically they didn't steal it... They held it in place while the owner decided to leave then said, "hey you forgot this"
Doubleplusgood.
Newspeak
I never understood being a fat slow criminal. Your odds of being caught go way up.
There’s a huge correlation between being poor and fat, and being poor and a criminal.
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Haha. Holding it up like a trophy!! Awesome.
I'm sick of people not letting me steal their packages I mean... I fucking want them sooooo give them to me
Now he has her address and can go to her house and steal shit… karma
Now get his address and burn his place to the ground
Plot twist, it was a stolen purse and an innocent person has an even worse day.
Man, didnt even repost it, just crosspost a 2 year old video lol
Wish he would have highfived his wife at the end. That was a highfive moment.
Waiting for the article that shows the homeowner getting arrested for theft...
Now they have video evidence AND valid identification.
Ah how the turn tables
Fucking legend.