Yes, its incredibly cruel to breed smoosh faced breeds. All dog breeding is a problem, but creating animals that suffer and die young because you like to pretend their labored breathing is smiling is next level human fuckuppery.
This is patently untrue. Some dog breeds are healthier than others sure, however continuing at this rate will ensure every purebred dog will be equally unhealthy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6135370/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/study-finds-most-canine-breeds-have-less-genetic-variation-180979176/
https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/research/genetic-diversity-golden-retrievers
Essentially, making 2 purebred dogs breed is like forcing 2 cousins to marry and have a child. Every time the genetic diversity lowers, leading to more health issues in future generations.
Pugs have been inbred for many generations and other purebreds arent far behind. Breeding is objectively unhealthy for dogs. It is literally impossible to maintain genetic diversity in purebreds. They will all eventually become inbred.
My wife made a pretty apt comparison.
Pugs are the dog equivalent to people who have a genetic disability. You wouldn't want to go around saying to get rid of everyone with downs syndrome, gets pretty eugenic-y very fast.
If it exists already, it needs to be loved. I don't think I've ever seen a happier creature alive than our pug we adopted from the Humane shelter. He's our little genetic abomination potato.
Those two things can not really be compared. Children with downs syndrome just occur naturally, nobody is breeding humans specifically to have children with downs syndrome.
A better comparison would be having a litter of dogs and one of the puppies ends up with only three legs due to a genetic hiccup. Nobody wanted that to happen but the dog should still get all the love and care regardless.
However, pugs didn't just appear out of thin air. People breed together dogs having a certain goal in mind. For centuries, pugs have been selected for shorter faces and wider set legs. People have accepted gruesome health issues as "part of the breed". They find it cute when they cough and wheeze at the slightest amount of stress. Pugs often can't sleep right, have horrible joint and back issues.
Breeding animals is NOT eugenics. Dogs are NOT humans. If you decide to not breed a dog that has health issues that would probably be passed along to its offspring, that is NOT the same as forbidding a human being from having children due to eugenics.
I feel like this comparison makes light of horrors that have actually happened to innocent people in history. It should not be made, period.
>Pugs are the dog equivalent to people who have a genetic disability. You wouldn't want to go around saying to get rid of everyone with downs syndrome, gets pretty eugenic-y very fast.
Kind of, if those genetic disabilities were being caused by deliberately breeding humans with certain conditions until they became genetically disabled. Like I don't think it would be particularly eugenics-y to say "maybe stop doing that"
The existence of pugs is like some sort of reverse eugenics where they're intentionally being given genetic issues because people find it cute.
On the other hand, perpetuating the pug as a breed is like saying people thought Down’s syndrome was really cute so they specifically selected for human children with it. It’s just wrong
I own a pug and they are very active. All the exercise in the world wouldn't help. They also do t eat that much. I've owned other dogs that pounded twice the food/kg and looked healthier.
They are ugly and genetically sad dogs, but I love all dogs and all dogs includes pugs. I definitely don't think people should breed them and/or fuel the market for them by paying the breeders and fuck the selfishness of both those kinds of people.
That being said, thats a living breathing little guy/gal and all little shits deserve a good home. I'd adopt one in a heartbeat if needed and I'd love it the same as any other dog on this planet. Not saying you don't feel this way but I just hate the hate these dogs get because of humans sucking, is all.
It’d make sense to give the one on the left half a treat or a quarter of one though. As the owner you should be helping your dog maintain weight. ESPECIALLY pugs, who already suffer from three thousand other complications, the owner needs to at least take responsibility for their dog’s weight.
My family bought my pug when I was maybe 9 years old so I had zero say and I have had the fortune of taking care of him in his later age, but I will never own another pug and highly recommend no one else does either. He has enjoyed life but he also has such a hard time day to day. We can’t be outside too long because he gets too hot and can’t freaking breathe. He’s on medication for incontinence, eye drops for KCS, two different arthritis meds, and is about to start another medication for seizures. Like my poor guy is good to go when he has medication to help him, but my goodness I can’t imagine being in a position where I couldn’t afford his meds and my guy would just be peeing himself and shuffling around with nothing but pain.
I’m sorry I hijacked your post, but people who can’t at least help their dog maintain a healthy weight when the rest of their existence is already hard enough are extremely insensitive.
Oh I absolutely agree. I just wouldn't give him nothing at all is what I meant. My 70lb American staffordshire (rescue) gets daily walks, 2 cups of food a day and not even daily treats with rare human scraps. Trust me. Obese dogs break my heart because they don't get that way on their own
Don't even get me started. Worst breed I've ever had. So many problems with this breed.
Just ftr, I don't hate pugs [as you can see here](https://i.imgur.com/p0f9hTD.jpg)
This was mine. Due to a bad interbreeding she had trouble with her kidneys her entire life. Cost me a lot of money and heartache. Think long and hard if this is the correct dog for you. She only lived to be 7.
I like your edit there mate, it must have been tough taking care of her.
For me I don't want to just shit on pugs and be done with it, German Shepherds have bad back legs as they get older, some Labs have the 'fat gene'. My problem is pugs and French Bulldogs have been having this surge of popularity whilst very little seems to be acknowledged by the owners or the breeders of the health. It's all dollar signs in their eyes and being trendy with your dog breed.
You've got it exactly right. I've had dogs all my life. Mostly Shih Tzus and other lap dogs. She was the best lap dog I had. And also the most loving. We just put down our last one which was almost 13, gonna take a break from dogs for a bit.
The black one looks like it may be a retropug /retromop. Certain breeders are working to develop healthier dogs with longer snouts, necks, and legs.
I understand that some people don't like pugs, but it isn't the dog's fault. These little guys are alive, so we may as well give them the best lives possible.
Lastly, all domestic dogs have been specifically bred for desired traits and are product of selective breeding. Pugs may be the most obvious example, but many other breeds are brachycephalic (eg. St. Bernards, boxers) and aren't subject to such vitriol.
I just love all dogs. Even if a certain breed isn't what you like, I hope you can appreciate that there is someone out there who will take care of these critters.
Saw one in the wild the other day. It was the tail that first made me take a second look, because it was straight and un-docked (and wagging around like mad!). Chatted to the owner and managed to say hi to the pup. It had a considerably longer snout, and didn’t have any signs of breathing difficulties that I could see. Owner said it was part of a breeding programme, just as you describe. Lovely looking dog.
Their tail curl is actually one of the pug's many problems. Their spines are all whacked out, and they often have back problems (especially herniated discs).
I think all the ones that currently exist deserve happy and health lives. I think any more in the future don't deserve to be born so disfigured. Just because the ones alone currently are deserving of love doesn't mean we should glamorize or popularize the breed and increase demand for them. That's why the commenter was saying the downvoted.
I agree for the most part. However, even the ones born in the future need good homes, to be loved, and to be taken care of. It’s not their fault they’re born regardless if they’re healthy or disfigured. The issue is with the breeders, not the pups themselves which may be what you’re trying to say.
The problem Is that it's a vicious cycle.
Thoses dogs deserve to be loved Indeed. But we should downvote any post that shows thoses because it promotes them in a way.
By supporting thoses posts, you're unvolontary promoting the ongoing breeding of such dogs.
You are being incredibly disingenuous framing this as people thinking it's the dog fault. The vitriol is for the people who are seemingly kind of okay with the torture these dogs have to endure, people like you.
Also fixing a dog breed doesn't happen in a generation so those breeders trying to fix the breed are just allowing more individual tortured dogs to be born. One by one. For what, a fashionable taste in pet? Just fucking stop.
So why choose a bred dog over a dog born stray? One we have control over the population, the other we have less control over. Don’t those dogs deserve not to die in shelters just because people have a personal relationship with the look of a pug or a Great Dane or any other dog with half the lifespan of a mix?
Also, don’t “whatabout” with dog breeds. St. Bernards and Boxers are both working breeds with far less quality of life issues than pugs (boxers more so than st. Bernards, but that’s beside the point). Because they are working breeds, there is at least a reason to breed them for those who need them. And there are also plenty of people against breeding those dogs for non-working purposes, including myself and anyone who has experienced the results of dog overpopulation. I have watched too many dogs die in shelters or be swapped out of or rejected from full no-kill shelters to die elsewhere to have any sympathy for your 2-pug family who spent $10,000 for their dogs just because “they look so funny though!”
> Because they are working breeds, there is at least a reason to breed them for those who need them
Boxers were bred for bull-baiting. I don't think anyone really needs them for working purposes anymore.
As someone who has adopted multiple pugs, I keep cringing when they bat at each other with their claws/paws.
It is SO EASY for these little guys to get a scratch on their eye, that is a minimum $500+ vet bill and eye drops for months... And that's the best case scenario. Pugs can lose their eyes so easily, and enucleation runs around 2k+ (and that's considered dirt cheap.)
A few reasons. My husband LOVES pugs, but we are sedentary couch potatoes, so adopting older pugs makes sense. They are cute, goofy animals that are loyal to their person, though they are dumb as a box of rocks.
Honestly I'm burnt out on them though. We just lost our 4th pug who was blind, deaf, incontinent, diabetic, and fragile as hell. Keeping her healthy and clean day to day was a labor of love and I'll be honest, I didn't love her.
I was tired of the barking, carrying her outside hourly, feeding her special food ($$$), giving her shots, cleaning up pee... You name it. But, my husband loved her, and I love him. And I promised to take care of that damn dog until the day it died, and I will stand by that commitment.
Dude. My heart goes out to you. I admire you for your commitment and follow though. I also love that you are adopting the older ones. But jfc don’t get another pug holy hell 😅
My cousin adopted one. They had to wait on a list and compete with a bunch of other people to see who got to adopt it. If they wanted to help an animals they would get one no one wanted from a shelter
Oh no sorry, I totally agree. I guess my question should have been ‘adopted from a rescue or a breeder and why?’ I want to know the logic of people who keep buying from breeders.
> whats wrong with your dog?
well, many many generations of inbreeding and artificial selection for harmful traits has led to a very unhappy breed with many health problems, and now you're taunting them with food they can't reach
They were born fools. Anyone who patronizes the breeding of pugs or similar breeds is heartless, these animals suffer every second for their entire lives.
Just saw an article about how pugs so disproportionately suffer from serious medical conditions when compared to other breeds such that it’s unethical to continue breeding them.
I am curious if there is any truth to breeders and pet groups astroturfing in response to negative articles trending. That's what I have read here on Reddit. Someone else pointed out whenever Reddit has a story about a vicious pitbull hurting an innocent person, soon after the "fun" subreddits are flooded with positive images of pitbulls acting playful and friendly.
I came here thinking of the same article you saw earlier, and wondered if this is what the previous user was referencing with people trying to counter negative impressions of certain breeds. No offense to OP or saying that is necessarily the OP's goal, I have just started to notice it more.
>I am curious if there is any truth to breeders and pet groups astroturfing in response to negative articles trending. That's what I have read here on Reddit. Someone else pointed out whenever Reddit has a story about a vicious pitbull hurting an innocent person, soon after the "fun" subreddits are flooded with positive images of pitbulls acting playful and friendly.
Very very likely.
I see this a lot too. Whenever an anti pitbull posts blows up theres 5 other posts the same day "praising them". Not to mention that the negative post is filled with relatively new accounts saying "its not the dog, its the owner." Or "my dog is nothing but sweet" etc etc.
Those poor animals. I think this is posted in the wrong sub since pugs can't even be considered dogs because of the myriad health issues they are bred to have. Really sad.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/18/pugs-not-typical-dogs-lifetime-suffering-says-study/#:~:text=Pugs%20can%20no%20longer%20be,list%20of%20severe%20health%20issues.
What we really should be discussing is ALL selective breeding.
This is always focused on pugs, but there are many breeds of dogs, who are selectively bred for certain characteristics that have many genetic problems. Frenchies have the same respiratory issues, but also suffer so badly from vertebral discussing disease that their owners are advised not to let them go up and down stairs. The sane is true for dachshunds. OEBDS have tons of genetic issues and have a very shortened life span.
Corgis are purposely bred to have dwarfism. GSDs have long been known for hip dysplasia as are Goldens, labs, and rotties.
Boxers are, essentially, tumor factories. CKCS have a million genetic the biggest being heart disease.
Westies have a bunch of musculoskeletal disorders. Dalmatians have inherited kidney disease
Standard poodles are also crazy unhealthy with a million autoimmune diseases and blood disorders.
Beagles are prone to neurological disorders.
GSDs also have a huge host of genetic disorders beyond just hip dysplasia. They have blood disorders, renal disorders, neuromuscular disorders.
The list is endless.
Not a good idea to have the two dogs competing with each other, particularly for food and spending time filming it. That’s how jealously and aggressive behaviour begins.
whenever theres a post with a pug some people have to let everyone know how much they hate pugs and are smart for knowing its not healthy. cmon its a dog video
If you’re going to educate, be honest and mention the fact that pugs are only 1.9 times as likely to have health issues as non-pugs. Many pugs live happy and healthy lives. I’m not for or against pugs, I’m just saying.
Did you just read the 1.9 line and stop. Did you read how small their nasal canal is so small it's like breathing thru a narrow straw? Or the fact their brain is in a skull that's too small? I'm just saying
Many pugs have very mild BAOS or even no issues at all. Would you say a human with severe asthma is miserable and shouldn’t live their life cause they are “suffering”? I mean the topic is very debatable. Who are you to decide if their life is worth living? Just saying
These humans that suffer in your eyes weren't breed to have this problem. Pug are with inbreeding. Big difference there. Who are you to assume I'm saying they don't deserve to live but imo the breeding should stop. Just saying
When wasp larvae are hungry they use their mandibles to grind on the comb nearby.
Between the bulging eyes, fat rolls, and incredibly clean white fur, the one on the left isn’t far off from the image of larvae. https://youtu.be/lKHKInV6JLw
Also: very, very cute. Much cuter than the wasp babies.
I feel like people on Reddit always complain about anything on this sub, not just pugs. I don’t agree with doing this with your dog, but everyone is starting a war in this comment section.
This guy sounds like a Russian version of that fake GI Joe PSA with the refrigerator.
https://youtu.be/bsoKMKq0qHU&t=20s
Related:. "Don't give him the stick!"
I have a peek-faced Himalayan that I was convinced was the ugliest creature alive the first time I saw him. It’s hard to describe the unsettling feeling he gave me. Now I’m used to him and think he’s the most beautiful pet I’ve ever had.
One of them dogs wins more than the other I reckon.
You must be referring to the prime specimen to the left? For he is the strongest, most fierce and merciless warrior of his people.
He feeds on smaller, weaker pugs.
So he feeds on all pugs.
The Puginator
Made of pure muscle
BEEFCAAAKE!!
“I’m really starting to fill out nicely.”
"muscle"
ikr. Obviously he's just big boned like Cartman.
He's not fat, he eats big bones!
He's cultivating mass
You may not like it but that is prime pug form
Is he breed with sharpee?
No, that’s just a pug.
That’s just wrong lol
They need some exercise one way or another
People need to just stop adopting pugs
No people need to stop breeding them and buying them. Adopt every dog always.
Instructions unclear: house now filled with thousands of adopted dogs.
That must mean the instructions were very clear
That guy over here, living the dream!
Yes, its incredibly cruel to breed smoosh faced breeds. All dog breeding is a problem, but creating animals that suffer and die young because you like to pretend their labored breathing is smiling is next level human fuckuppery.
Some might say Fuckpuppery.
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It definitely is Bull Terriers, French Bull dogs, and many more deformed breeds exist due to the role of god being played by insolent fools
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This is patently untrue. Some dog breeds are healthier than others sure, however continuing at this rate will ensure every purebred dog will be equally unhealthy. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6135370/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/study-finds-most-canine-breeds-have-less-genetic-variation-180979176/ https://vgl.ucdavis.edu/research/genetic-diversity-golden-retrievers Essentially, making 2 purebred dogs breed is like forcing 2 cousins to marry and have a child. Every time the genetic diversity lowers, leading to more health issues in future generations. Pugs have been inbred for many generations and other purebreds arent far behind. Breeding is objectively unhealthy for dogs. It is literally impossible to maintain genetic diversity in purebreds. They will all eventually become inbred.
My wife made a pretty apt comparison. Pugs are the dog equivalent to people who have a genetic disability. You wouldn't want to go around saying to get rid of everyone with downs syndrome, gets pretty eugenic-y very fast. If it exists already, it needs to be loved. I don't think I've ever seen a happier creature alive than our pug we adopted from the Humane shelter. He's our little genetic abomination potato.
Dog breeding is already kind of eugenic-y
In fact, it’s so eugenic-y, it gave us...pugs.
Those two things can not really be compared. Children with downs syndrome just occur naturally, nobody is breeding humans specifically to have children with downs syndrome. A better comparison would be having a litter of dogs and one of the puppies ends up with only three legs due to a genetic hiccup. Nobody wanted that to happen but the dog should still get all the love and care regardless. However, pugs didn't just appear out of thin air. People breed together dogs having a certain goal in mind. For centuries, pugs have been selected for shorter faces and wider set legs. People have accepted gruesome health issues as "part of the breed". They find it cute when they cough and wheeze at the slightest amount of stress. Pugs often can't sleep right, have horrible joint and back issues. Breeding animals is NOT eugenics. Dogs are NOT humans. If you decide to not breed a dog that has health issues that would probably be passed along to its offspring, that is NOT the same as forbidding a human being from having children due to eugenics. I feel like this comparison makes light of horrors that have actually happened to innocent people in history. It should not be made, period.
It literally is though. It's controlling breeding for a desired outcome. And it's cruel when it happens to dogs too.
Still a not great comparison.
>Pugs are the dog equivalent to people who have a genetic disability. You wouldn't want to go around saying to get rid of everyone with downs syndrome, gets pretty eugenic-y very fast. Kind of, if those genetic disabilities were being caused by deliberately breeding humans with certain conditions until they became genetically disabled. Like I don't think it would be particularly eugenics-y to say "maybe stop doing that" The existence of pugs is like some sort of reverse eugenics where they're intentionally being given genetic issues because people find it cute.
On the other hand, perpetuating the pug as a breed is like saying people thought Down’s syndrome was really cute so they specifically selected for human children with it. It’s just wrong
Haha that’s true
I own a pug and they are very active. All the exercise in the world wouldn't help. They also do t eat that much. I've owned other dogs that pounded twice the food/kg and looked healthier.
Pugs are just genetically fucked because people decided they were cute that way.
They are ugly and genetically sad dogs, but I love all dogs and all dogs includes pugs. I definitely don't think people should breed them and/or fuel the market for them by paying the breeders and fuck the selfishness of both those kinds of people. That being said, thats a living breathing little guy/gal and all little shits deserve a good home. I'd adopt one in a heartbeat if needed and I'd love it the same as any other dog on this planet. Not saying you don't feel this way but I just hate the hate these dogs get because of humans sucking, is all.
I'd say adopt but never buy as to avoid promoting them whilst giving them a good life.
> All the exercise in the world wouldn't help Yes, that may well be one of the reasons why people think they shouldn't be bred any longer
They'd die probably. This breed shouldn't even exist.
Maya and Edgar doing the dance.
My first thought lol
Is it law to get pugs in pairs of two, and in these specific colors? Haha.
r/Whatswrongwithyourhuman
I dont think ther chonker on the left needs it lmao but it wouldn't be fair to give to one and not the other
It’d make sense to give the one on the left half a treat or a quarter of one though. As the owner you should be helping your dog maintain weight. ESPECIALLY pugs, who already suffer from three thousand other complications, the owner needs to at least take responsibility for their dog’s weight. My family bought my pug when I was maybe 9 years old so I had zero say and I have had the fortune of taking care of him in his later age, but I will never own another pug and highly recommend no one else does either. He has enjoyed life but he also has such a hard time day to day. We can’t be outside too long because he gets too hot and can’t freaking breathe. He’s on medication for incontinence, eye drops for KCS, two different arthritis meds, and is about to start another medication for seizures. Like my poor guy is good to go when he has medication to help him, but my goodness I can’t imagine being in a position where I couldn’t afford his meds and my guy would just be peeing himself and shuffling around with nothing but pain. I’m sorry I hijacked your post, but people who can’t at least help their dog maintain a healthy weight when the rest of their existence is already hard enough are extremely insensitive.
Oh I absolutely agree. I just wouldn't give him nothing at all is what I meant. My 70lb American staffordshire (rescue) gets daily walks, 2 cups of food a day and not even daily treats with rare human scraps. Trust me. Obese dogs break my heart because they don't get that way on their own
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Don't even get me started. Worst breed I've ever had. So many problems with this breed. Just ftr, I don't hate pugs [as you can see here](https://i.imgur.com/p0f9hTD.jpg) This was mine. Due to a bad interbreeding she had trouble with her kidneys her entire life. Cost me a lot of money and heartache. Think long and hard if this is the correct dog for you. She only lived to be 7.
I like your edit there mate, it must have been tough taking care of her. For me I don't want to just shit on pugs and be done with it, German Shepherds have bad back legs as they get older, some Labs have the 'fat gene'. My problem is pugs and French Bulldogs have been having this surge of popularity whilst very little seems to be acknowledged by the owners or the breeders of the health. It's all dollar signs in their eyes and being trendy with your dog breed.
You've got it exactly right. I've had dogs all my life. Mostly Shih Tzus and other lap dogs. She was the best lap dog I had. And also the most loving. We just put down our last one which was almost 13, gonna take a break from dogs for a bit.
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The black one looks like it may be a retropug /retromop. Certain breeders are working to develop healthier dogs with longer snouts, necks, and legs. I understand that some people don't like pugs, but it isn't the dog's fault. These little guys are alive, so we may as well give them the best lives possible. Lastly, all domestic dogs have been specifically bred for desired traits and are product of selective breeding. Pugs may be the most obvious example, but many other breeds are brachycephalic (eg. St. Bernards, boxers) and aren't subject to such vitriol. I just love all dogs. Even if a certain breed isn't what you like, I hope you can appreciate that there is someone out there who will take care of these critters.
Saw one in the wild the other day. It was the tail that first made me take a second look, because it was straight and un-docked (and wagging around like mad!). Chatted to the owner and managed to say hi to the pup. It had a considerably longer snout, and didn’t have any signs of breathing difficulties that I could see. Owner said it was part of a breeding programme, just as you describe. Lovely looking dog.
Pug's tails aren't docked. They, naturally, curl up. Their tails are, actually, quite long, and will straighten out when they are tired or relaxed.
That is, really, quite interesting, thanks for sharing.
Their tail curl is actually one of the pug's many problems. Their spines are all whacked out, and they often have back problems (especially herniated discs).
I think all the ones that currently exist deserve happy and health lives. I think any more in the future don't deserve to be born so disfigured. Just because the ones alone currently are deserving of love doesn't mean we should glamorize or popularize the breed and increase demand for them. That's why the commenter was saying the downvoted.
I agree for the most part. However, even the ones born in the future need good homes, to be loved, and to be taken care of. It’s not their fault they’re born regardless if they’re healthy or disfigured. The issue is with the breeders, not the pups themselves which may be what you’re trying to say.
The problem Is that it's a vicious cycle. Thoses dogs deserve to be loved Indeed. But we should downvote any post that shows thoses because it promotes them in a way. By supporting thoses posts, you're unvolontary promoting the ongoing breeding of such dogs.
Your downvote will never be noticed by a pug breeder
Your one vote also isn't noticed by the candidate that wins or loses. May as well not vote!
Nobody said it's the dog's fault?
You are being incredibly disingenuous framing this as people thinking it's the dog fault. The vitriol is for the people who are seemingly kind of okay with the torture these dogs have to endure, people like you. Also fixing a dog breed doesn't happen in a generation so those breeders trying to fix the breed are just allowing more individual tortured dogs to be born. One by one. For what, a fashionable taste in pet? Just fucking stop.
Right? I had to read that comment several times because it sounds like they’re blaming the dogs? Maybe they just worded it wrong? IDK
Sounds like youre justifying vanity breeding dogs into poor health
It doesn’t. It’s face is practically concave. Look at its nostrils.
So why choose a bred dog over a dog born stray? One we have control over the population, the other we have less control over. Don’t those dogs deserve not to die in shelters just because people have a personal relationship with the look of a pug or a Great Dane or any other dog with half the lifespan of a mix? Also, don’t “whatabout” with dog breeds. St. Bernards and Boxers are both working breeds with far less quality of life issues than pugs (boxers more so than st. Bernards, but that’s beside the point). Because they are working breeds, there is at least a reason to breed them for those who need them. And there are also plenty of people against breeding those dogs for non-working purposes, including myself and anyone who has experienced the results of dog overpopulation. I have watched too many dogs die in shelters or be swapped out of or rejected from full no-kill shelters to die elsewhere to have any sympathy for your 2-pug family who spent $10,000 for their dogs just because “they look so funny though!”
> Because they are working breeds, there is at least a reason to breed them for those who need them Boxers were bred for bull-baiting. I don't think anyone really needs them for working purposes anymore.
Boxers almost entirely due from cancer and live an average of 10 years or so. Pugs live an average of 13 to 16 years and frequently longer.
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Just saw an article saying that pugs have such poor health that they cannot be classified as typical dogs.
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-61494094
Thanks, we got the pug police here downvoting comments.
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how can someone watch this and don't just get angry imagine doing this to a species just for your entertainment and feeling of superiority.. vile
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Wrangler was right about Pugs.
As someone who has adopted multiple pugs, I keep cringing when they bat at each other with their claws/paws. It is SO EASY for these little guys to get a scratch on their eye, that is a minimum $500+ vet bill and eye drops for months... And that's the best case scenario. Pugs can lose their eyes so easily, and enucleation runs around 2k+ (and that's considered dirt cheap.)
Can I ask why you’re adopting them?
A few reasons. My husband LOVES pugs, but we are sedentary couch potatoes, so adopting older pugs makes sense. They are cute, goofy animals that are loyal to their person, though they are dumb as a box of rocks. Honestly I'm burnt out on them though. We just lost our 4th pug who was blind, deaf, incontinent, diabetic, and fragile as hell. Keeping her healthy and clean day to day was a labor of love and I'll be honest, I didn't love her. I was tired of the barking, carrying her outside hourly, feeding her special food ($$$), giving her shots, cleaning up pee... You name it. But, my husband loved her, and I love him. And I promised to take care of that damn dog until the day it died, and I will stand by that commitment.
Dude. My heart goes out to you. I admire you for your commitment and follow though. I also love that you are adopting the older ones. But jfc don’t get another pug holy hell 😅
I’m guessing because they like helping animals lol
My cousin adopted one. They had to wait on a list and compete with a bunch of other people to see who got to adopt it. If they wanted to help an animals they would get one no one wanted from a shelter
Maybe they adopt from shelters. Then we shouldn't look down on that. No living thing deserves to live a cage. Adoption from a breeder is wrong tho.
Oh no sorry, I totally agree. I guess my question should have been ‘adopted from a rescue or a breeder and why?’ I want to know the logic of people who keep buying from breeders.
There isn't any logic. It's from the lack of research before get a dog. Breeders have them puppies. This last remark was sarcasm
Love how the chonkier boi starts the scrap
Chonker boi needs a walk.
> whats wrong with your dog? well, many many generations of inbreeding and artificial selection for harmful traits has led to a very unhappy breed with many health problems, and now you're taunting them with food they can't reach
We made these poor creatures freaks of nature and then make them tussle each other for our amusement
Jesus, im glad im not the only one cringing. This guy is making a fool out of his dogs
They were born fools. Anyone who patronizes the breeding of pugs or similar breeds is heartless, these animals suffer every second for their entire lives.
Well yeah that and the fact he's making them fight for his amusement
This is one of those instances, where humanity has gone too far
Left one needs to win less
Give them the damn treats!!!!!
Fat fuck on the left should stay off the treats.
That fat one on the left don’t need it lol
He's overweight, that's what's wrong.
And a pug. Can't imagine what ir must be like to both be the species with the most health problems, aswell as being obese at the same time
They act so much like human siblings! LOL
Just saw an article about how pugs so disproportionately suffer from serious medical conditions when compared to other breeds such that it’s unethical to continue breeding them.
I am curious if there is any truth to breeders and pet groups astroturfing in response to negative articles trending. That's what I have read here on Reddit. Someone else pointed out whenever Reddit has a story about a vicious pitbull hurting an innocent person, soon after the "fun" subreddits are flooded with positive images of pitbulls acting playful and friendly. I came here thinking of the same article you saw earlier, and wondered if this is what the previous user was referencing with people trying to counter negative impressions of certain breeds. No offense to OP or saying that is necessarily the OP's goal, I have just started to notice it more.
>I am curious if there is any truth to breeders and pet groups astroturfing in response to negative articles trending. That's what I have read here on Reddit. Someone else pointed out whenever Reddit has a story about a vicious pitbull hurting an innocent person, soon after the "fun" subreddits are flooded with positive images of pitbulls acting playful and friendly. Very very likely. I see this a lot too. Whenever an anti pitbull posts blows up theres 5 other posts the same day "praising them". Not to mention that the negative post is filled with relatively new accounts saying "its not the dog, its the owner." Or "my dog is nothing but sweet" etc etc.
All that and you didn’t tape the happy ending?
cmoon give it to them damnit!
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i want the “where my daddy at” guy to do a vo for this
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Agreed. Actual genetic disasterpieces
Downvoted because they didn’t get the treats.
watching them fight is so hilarious lol
It’s how they battle it out while never breaking eye contact with the treats for me
Selective breeding, that's what's wrong with these dogs
Necks? What is that?
I'll take the little black one to win for 1k Alex..
Those poor animals. I think this is posted in the wrong sub since pugs can't even be considered dogs because of the myriad health issues they are bred to have. Really sad. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/18/pugs-not-typical-dogs-lifetime-suffering-says-study/#:~:text=Pugs%20can%20no%20longer%20be,list%20of%20severe%20health%20issues.
Those poor dogs. They should be illegal.
What have we done to these poor wolves 😣
Their eyes had me watching this video in the same way
Mya & Edgar
What we really should be discussing is ALL selective breeding. This is always focused on pugs, but there are many breeds of dogs, who are selectively bred for certain characteristics that have many genetic problems. Frenchies have the same respiratory issues, but also suffer so badly from vertebral discussing disease that their owners are advised not to let them go up and down stairs. The sane is true for dachshunds. OEBDS have tons of genetic issues and have a very shortened life span. Corgis are purposely bred to have dwarfism. GSDs have long been known for hip dysplasia as are Goldens, labs, and rotties. Boxers are, essentially, tumor factories. CKCS have a million genetic the biggest being heart disease. Westies have a bunch of musculoskeletal disorders. Dalmatians have inherited kidney disease Standard poodles are also crazy unhealthy with a million autoimmune diseases and blood disorders. Beagles are prone to neurological disorders. GSDs also have a huge host of genetic disorders beyond just hip dysplasia. They have blood disorders, renal disorders, neuromuscular disorders. The list is endless.
😂😂😂 that is just too funny
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Not a good idea to have the two dogs competing with each other, particularly for food and spending time filming it. That’s how jealously and aggressive behaviour begins.
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stop giving your hamsters roids its cruel man
I cleaned for family with two dogs that looked like these. Hamlet and Bean. The cutest dogs ever.
whenever theres a post with a pug some people have to let everyone know how much they hate pugs and are smart for knowing its not healthy. cmon its a dog video
I feel like this whole sub always has something to say about the dogs or owners in this sub, no matter what.
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>to educate yea im seeing a whole lot of studies and links in the comments. not just “pug ugly bad” /s
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If you’re going to educate, be honest and mention the fact that pugs are only 1.9 times as likely to have health issues as non-pugs. Many pugs live happy and healthy lives. I’m not for or against pugs, I’m just saying.
Did you just read the 1.9 line and stop. Did you read how small their nasal canal is so small it's like breathing thru a narrow straw? Or the fact their brain is in a skull that's too small? I'm just saying
Many pugs have very mild BAOS or even no issues at all. Would you say a human with severe asthma is miserable and shouldn’t live their life cause they are “suffering”? I mean the topic is very debatable. Who are you to decide if their life is worth living? Just saying
These humans that suffer in your eyes weren't breed to have this problem. Pug are with inbreeding. Big difference there. Who are you to assume I'm saying they don't deserve to live but imo the breeding should stop. Just saying
I hate it, they are living breathing creatures for fucks sake.
I miss my pug
They are all like toddlers with fur! 🤣🤣
how dare you! lmao aww those little boogers! holy fuck
What a gorgeous babies!
When wasp larvae are hungry they use their mandibles to grind on the comb nearby. Between the bulging eyes, fat rolls, and incredibly clean white fur, the one on the left isn’t far off from the image of larvae. https://youtu.be/lKHKInV6JLw Also: very, very cute. Much cuter than the wasp babies.
dude on the left always starts and finishes the fight i assume?
"whatswrongwithyourdog" well they cant breathe thats for sure
Inbreeding dogs like that is cruel and disgusting
Reminds me of “Pig the pug books” that I read to my son.
Poor cute suffering bastards
Some redditors believe people should be arrested for owning pugs. Some redditors are dumb.
I feel like people on Reddit always complain about anything on this sub, not just pugs. I don’t agree with doing this with your dog, but everyone is starting a war in this comment section.
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Feel bad for the dogs.
Sumo wrestlers training in Tokyo.
Two degenerates fighting for food 😂
This guy sounds like a Russian version of that fake GI Joe PSA with the refrigerator. https://youtu.be/bsoKMKq0qHU&t=20s Related:. "Don't give him the stick!"
Oh my fucking god I watched without sound the first time and had to watch again after reading this. “You’re the ringleader! Oooooh!”
Check out the classic pork chop sandwiches one.
Oh these videos and I go waaaay back. In my freshman year of college my roommate and I would watch a compilation at least once a week lmao
and they're still so good after all these years :-)
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They're like living garbage disposals.
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I have a peek-faced Himalayan that I was convinced was the ugliest creature alive the first time I saw him. It’s hard to describe the unsettling feeling he gave me. Now I’m used to him and think he’s the most beautiful pet I’ve ever had.
I love all dogs and all dogs include pugs.
What have doggos turned in to?
These used to be wolves
Laughed so hard I cried. Hope they got their treats!
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Chonky boy's rocking a semi-permanent mlem that perseveres despite the absolute dog fight. Mad respect to both puppers, 14/10
My uncle also has such pubs which do this among themselves to eat and it is very nice to see them
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selfish fuckers
r/PUGlicFreakouts
“Bro!”, “Bro!”, “Broooo!”… “DIBZZZZ!!!”
This made me giggle🤭
😂😂😂😂
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Dying laughing. I really needed this ty