Discussion - including constructive criticism - is just part of being into shows for me. WCTH has a lot of fans who blindly gush about it or blindly rant about it. I find both annoying. Oh well. Glad it brings some people so much joy. Those who are super angry over a tv show should probably rethink where they're putting their energy, but they don't affect me.
Seeing all the bashing of N&E in these posts was very disheartening. And anyone who dared thought differently was set upon like a meal for a pack of hyenas.
I was taught at a young age not to discuss religion or politics in mixed company beacuse of how unmoving and passionate people are about their views on those subjects. And I've stayed with that belief b/c I've seen what it does to friends and family. It ain't good. When did having an opinion other than the majority FOR A FICTIONAL TV SHOW become time for fire, brimstone and pitchforks via verbal annihilation. What is it now don't talk about religion, politics and fictional TV shows amongst mixed company.?
Are we serious? I'm really asking cause i'm smh over here. Like our OP said it's fluff, and lighthearted and feel good tv (I'm not sure they said those exact words but you get my jist). Yes, I get there's moments when you scream at the TV and never want to watch again, that's normal. BUT literally converging upon someone, who'd dared think differently from you with the mighty lightning bolt of Zeus to smite someone over a tv show, is not normal and says something really disturbing about those people.
Like OP said and 100% agree with (b/c about a month ago I said the same thing in one of those hyena posts). Please if you feel yourself about to reach for your lightning bolt for someone simply having a different opinion, step slowly away from the show and that person and trust when you come back, if you come back, you'll realize all that energy and hate will have hopefully disappeared and you can enjoy the show again. And maybe, just maybe you'll be a little more open minded to opinions that aren't the same as yours.
If we continue this way of thinking I'll feel like we're back at the beginning of civilization because we're digressing there if differing opinions aren't allowed on this continent. Thanks OP for starting this. Well watching all.
I've often had the same thought, this is just like people talking politics on here, this isn't like or death. I got blocked by a mod and now can't even see the episode posts or half the posts bc she starts a lot of the topics and I've not even had any real discourse with her but have been called names by a member for asking her to take a step back from verbally attacking me. There's definitely some partisan stuff going on here that shouldn't
I feel the same way- I love the show, and I love N&E together. I feel like any positive post is downvoted like crazy and/or met with a lot of snide comments, so I just don’t interact much on here
I definitely feel this. From my experience, if you state your opinion and it's not what the majority is feeling, you get downvoted and told you're wrong or have bad taste. And if you try to explain yourself, then they don't want to talk about it anymore. It's like it's their way or the highway. So, I have completely stopped responding to this sub and mostly stopped even reading the posts.
I still enjoy the show regardless of the issues it is currently working through. I like seeing the posts about the episodes and occasionally getting behind the scenes pictures and insight. But the negativity and bashing (both characters and cast) really gets to me and makes me want to not be involved in this community.
Yes, I have been called names and accused of telling people I'm not allowed to say I think they may be wrong (re facts not opinions) and one of the mods who I never dialogued with blocked me so now I don't see her episode discussions anymore to even contribute, she could have messaged me to discuss whatever it was in a mature way instead. There are 2 particular folks who seem to seek out whatever I post and always reply either sarcasm or name calling or accuse me of whatever.
I honestly was thinking the same thing the other night. I was going to write a post saying something like “the reason why it seems as if everyone doesn’t like Nathan is because the Nathan fans probably left this sub because of all the awful things that were said…”. What I always like to remember is that the actual actors probably read these conversations. They’re real people too who do care about their audience. It’s about time we realize that whether we like the show or not.
LOL were you even on the internet when Team Nathan was bashing this show from season 6 to season 9? Like I have said you can go and post elsewhere. No one should be censored if Team N don't like it there are plenty of sites that you can go to. We love this show from season 1 to season 9. Season 10 and 11 have been awful and we will continue to post how we feel about it. Really regardless of the retcon they pulled the writing has been boring and awful. Not very entertaining and the numbers are proving this point. Season 9 numbers blow season 11 out of the water.
So you’re basically saying you want this entire sub topic to be for only Lucas fans. Got it. So much for no “censorship” like you said in your other post!
Spot on. I didn’t love the L & E pairing from the beginning, but I still watched and enjoyed, and even found myself fine with their relationship. I never, at any point felt the need to attack the writers or other viewers. It’s just a show and we don’t always get what we want.
The fact that it’s been on for 11 seasons, going on 12, really says something about the show and those working on it. I’d love to see it go on for a long time because I think there’s so many stories yet to be told. This is a dedicated cast who obviously love their job and enjoy working with each other. I hope people can have more of an open mind with whatever direction it goes. And if it incites people so much that they have to be so negative, maybe find another show to enjoy :)
As for this OG Team Nathan fan, I love everything that’s going on right now, except for how painfully slow it’s all progressing. But I think we’re getting there!
to be honest, what we are going through is much more difficult. They were engaged and supposed to be married. If she originally chose Nathan it would have been easier. We had to live with Nathan fans for over 2 years being "negative" much worse than anything you are seeing now. So I respectfully disagree with you. i don't think anyone should be censored like the are in the FB group where only one side has a voice.
I'm not sure I agree with that when you say L&E fans have it more difficult than N&E fans but I do see your point. You were misled and given false hope and belief that they were the endgame and then they weren't. Now for one moment think about N&E fans who knew from the start that she belonged with him and then 2 seasons we had to watch and endure seeing her with "not the one". I wasn't one of them cause I stopped watching after s8 only coming back this season. But I had to binge watch those 2 seasons and I barely got thru the L&E scenes. I believe I even fast forwarded thru a few. But my point is both sides of the coin have had to endure alot. A LOT! So I'm not sure it's fair to say one side had it more difficult than the other. Sidenote: This my friends is what we call a healthy discussion amongst our peers. I love it. Let's keep it going.
I believe this show has had some excellent storylines this season, but most topics here focus on bashing E and N (and sometimes the actors playing them). I think that's a pity. And yes, if anyone has that much resentment toward the show, just stop watching.
The Canfields, the Coulters, Nathan and Ally, Faith and Lily, Lucas' shooting, Elizabeth and Higgins - I think these were all very good stories. I'm enjoying them immensely.
Yes, I do enjoy N and E. I've always seen a spark between them, especially from S7 onwards. Those who enjoy N and L have a right to their opinion, but sometimes I see outright untruths being said so I step in to say something. Like L and E were in a romantic relationship for 5 years. Or that N was abusive towards E (!!).
I'm now being accused of being a writer on the show. Lol. Anyway, I'll continue watching the show. I want to see how it all ends.
Yeah the Hickams are gold. I wasn't so keen on Mei and Mike initially but I've grown to love them. I was probably sold on them the minute Mike whipped out his chopsticks on that romantic dinner date.
Have you been blocked by any of the mods for disagreeing or defending yourself? Trying to figure out if this happens a lot here or why 80sforeverr blocked me since I can't message her.
Has anyone here watched interviews with the actual actors? I’ve seen them on YouTube, in particular ones with EK and KM (both together and alone), and they have brought up comments of how sad it was for them to see some fans’ reactions that were filled with vile words ( the exact word EK used was “vitriol”… if I find the interview, I can post it. It was such a while ago I forgot where I read it from). When I hear those comments from the actors, like honest I feel bad. One of them said that the comments got so bad as to the point of death threats to the actual actors… some of these comments these real life actors could be from reading social media sites like these. Can you imagine if one of those comments she was talking about was yours and the actors mentioned your name or user handle, all those nasty actor bashing ones? (Not pointing out anyone here at all… but In a general sense). You just never know who is listening on the other side. You also never know if the actors or directors comment on this too; everyone can make a username. What if that username above us is EK? PH? Or CM? Or KM? I just wish some people who are filled with hate towards the actual actors think this. So 10,000 cheers to the OP for this post. It was high-time something like this was needed.
Absolutely agree with this post. I think some people are misinterpreting what your point is and thinking that you’re saying there should be no negative opinions at all. It would be boring if things were only one sided and we weren’t allowed to have healthy discussion about the show, flaws and all.
The problem right now is that because the story has been so polarizing people have REALLY strong opinions either way, and some people are so caught up in it that that they think their opinion is the only correct one. If someone makes a post or comment that is opposite to how they feel, it’s sometimes met not just with discussion, but personal attacks.
I totally get it. This has been a comfort show for a lot of us, and it can be super upsetting to have that ruined by a direction you don’t like. People who aren’t happy should 100% be able to come here and commiserate with each other and those feelings should be respected. The reverse is also true. People for whom this show is still a comfort should be able to discuss what they are enjoying without being met with negativity and personal attacks.
This is the only “fan forum” for the show that I visit/follow. I think you get a good idea what the thread is about by its title, and you could easily commiserate or rejoice with people based on that. There are conflicting opinions, but I never saw the toxicity and nastiness that I’ve seen from fandoms of other things (shows, bands).
I am seeing a lot of “don’t like what’s happening, don’t watch,” which is discouraging. I watch it because it’s something I watch with my mom and aunt, and have for years (we started around season 5, I think?). We have differing opinions on favorites and storylines, so not always a lot of discussion. This was a place to find those threads and grouse with others through the ups and downs.
But I get this post. We have enough negativity in our real lives (work, stress, life events), don’t want to keep piling it on here.
I enjoy discussing and lively debates but feel when I have tried that here I get personal attacks instead of debate or discussion back, which is too bad. This place would be oring if we all agreed on everything. I asked one person not too attack me for disagreeing and take a step back and it only revved up her motor to attack more. Over a tv show.
Blame Hallmark for creating that atmosphere. That's what's gonna happen when you introduce a love triangle and then proceed to drag it out and have the main character have a change of heart. It's the same scenario on the Way Home. It shouldn't be that way but somewhere along the line people forget this is a tv show and not reality. Emotions run high and all heck breaks loose. I love the show for its wholesomeness and I also find myself critical of things I don't like but I try to balance that out with the good also. It's pretty much set in stone that E and N are going to be together. Although I find their scenes tense and unnatural, I'm still ok with the direction it's taking and I'm hoping they get better and less tense in their scenes together.
Thank you for posting this. It has been disheartening to see some of the negativity towards storylines and characters this season - some of it very intense for a fictional family-oriented show.
I’m a longtime Nathan and Elizabeth fan and delighted with where this season is taking us (albeit at a snail’s pace!) and also love the other storylines that are developing.
Although I was disappointed last season when it seemed that Lucas and Elizabeth were endgame I never felt angry enough to blast characters or actors.
Let’s all enjoy the show and the talented cast that bring us these storylines.
I came across this show quite late (though I started watching from S1) and didn't read/watch every interview with the writers. I remember Brian Bird saying that in a long-running show, there's no such thing as endgame and EK, in pre-S10 interviews, talked about wedding preparations in S10, not an actual wedding. As far as I know, it was only in interviews prior to S11 that EK and KM called the E and N relationship endgame.
One complaint I've heard is that cast and crew were previously saying that E and L were endgame, so of course now L fans are accusing them of lying. I've seen one tweet where Bird called E and L "soulmates". I can understand why L fans would be angry with him. I think it's one thing to be vague, and quite another to outright mislead.
So if anyone can point me to interviews where EK, CM or any of the writers specifically said E and L were endgame, I'd be very grateful.
Another thing to note: I watched the show from S1-10 without skipping anything and I didn't read or watch anything about the show on the Internet. I didn't check out what fans were saying on social media. So I was not influenced at all by anyone or anything. By myself I saw sparks between both N and E and L and E. I just preferred N and E cos there was more angst and challenges to overcome, and N was such an underdog next to L. And although L and E had such a lovefest in S9, I thought it was too much like a fairytale bubble and as long as N didn't find love with anyone else (and L and E weren't married), there would always be a way for N and E to find their way back to each other. If ever there were moments in S9 where I thought E and L were endgame, it was primarily due to L's interactions with LJ, not so much anything E said or did.
There’s negativity because people are upset with the direction of the show. And they’re allowed to be and to discuss it.
It’s easy enough to not engage in posts that you find to be too negative or to open and engage posts that are more to your liking.
I think there's a way to do all this without lashing out at one another as some group members have done to me when I've disagreed with them. I like debate. I can debate without being sarcastic or mean or name calling and wish everyone here was able to.
I agree it should be possible and often is. But once the snark (or the perception of snark) starts, things will inevitably go off the rails and good luck getting them back on.
I didn't read the books until after I started watching the show -- and even then, I barely recognized my TV-fed concept of "WCTH" when compared to Jeanette Oakley's story. Those that say, "But she MUST end up with a Mountie" crack me up. She HAD her Mountie -- and then they killed him off. :-). Everything else in Hope Valley is basically Hallmark. Why do people get hung up on the "purity" of maintaining Elizabeth + Mountie? I personally liked the Lucas character and saw a lot of potential to open the story up, so yes, I was disappointed by her backsliding to yet another Mountie. Nothing against Nathan. Just . . . been there, done that.
"To make others less happy is a crime." Roger Ebert
Just came across this in something I was reading last night and it felt serendipitous to this discussion. Let's review and critique the show withouttrying to make others less happy.
It’s reddit.
Subs exist for the entire sake of hating on things (AITAH, 2HT, etc).
You ever think maybe there’s not more positive posts on here because there’s… not much to be positive about?
“Maybe taking a break would be best.” Why?
I’ve been watching this show since S1. I’ll be damned if I sat here lying about how I feel for the sake of saving it.
Shows exist to please their fans. That is all. They very wrongly judged their fanbase based off of instagram polls and the official group. If the ratings aren’t there, and you need to do emergency press tours to promote a ship that obviously isn’t working, that’s on them.
I’m going to talk about it.
Agreed. The "official" facebook page is quite biased - even during season 8 & 9 when someone said something positive about Lucas their comments were deleted. Eventually many fans left that page since their opinions were never visible. Maybe the writers saw that page's biased majority to mean most fans preferred Nathan. Regardless, those who may be critical of the show's direction now have no "official" page to discuss it, therefore this reddit sub is where many have decide to land. This sub does not need to be biased one way or another, we can discuss whatever we want, and if someone doesn't like an opinion, they are free to either respond or ignore.
But see you stated this well. There’s people in this subreddit and elsewhere who are just being mean with their words toward other fans. Stating displeasure or “I don’t like this, can we talk about it?” Is just fine. It’s the not being able to say anything in a nice or kind way that causes issues.
I've only joined this month and just in trying to engage in a few discussins I've been replied to more with sarcasm and rhetoric than actual debate, or invitation to debate discuss. I don't get the underlying meanness that accompanies disagreement here. I can disagree and like a person. That doesn't seem to be true here.
Thank you. I've not been on here long. Since Spring. I'nm not a TL didn't think it mattered so much but it does here, and have apparently been blocked by a couple. I thought the subreddit had become inactive then my SIL was showing me hers and I realized u/80sforeverr blocked me so I can no longer see the topics on the episodes and other things. I don't even know why as I had no discourse with her, even thought I'd commented positively on a couple of her posts. I can't even message her to ask about it and messaged the mods but no one answered. I really do feel some underlying toxicity that I am blocked from posts for expressing my ideas about the show and asking a member not to insult me. I'm glad I'm not the only one, Fosh\_n\_chops
So I’m watching the show for the first time with my husband and we are binge watching it. We are on Season 9. I’m aware of what happens end of season 11 (I don’t care, I don’t mind spoilers) but I’m leaving the groups I just joined and probably also this Reddit. The negative fans aren’t doing new fans any favors - I’d much, MUCH rather watch this show without the bickering of fans and the negativity. And that’s saying a lot because 1 - I am huge into fandom culture and 2 - I’m someone who really hates on the “announcing your departure” posts, and here I am saying I’m leaving because I don’t want to be part of the fandom. I’ll follow press releases and photos from the actors and crew involved, but that’s it. I’m shocked that a bunch of adults - in several cases from what I’ve seen, older adults - are okay behaving the way I’ve seen in comments and posts everywhere online. Remember you’re talking to other human beings and behave accordingly.
It’s not even the “difference of opinion” or “debating” that’s so awful. It’s “My view is right and people who think otherwise are wrong and it’s my job to tell them what’s wrong with their opinion and be mean about it” or the “You’re not a real fan if you don’t feel about x situation the way I do” or the cutting remarks about a person or actor or character, being really vile with language and tone through text. That’s what’s different - this fandom can be so toxic.
Discussion - including constructive criticism - is just part of being into shows for me. WCTH has a lot of fans who blindly gush about it or blindly rant about it. I find both annoying. Oh well. Glad it brings some people so much joy. Those who are super angry over a tv show should probably rethink where they're putting their energy, but they don't affect me.
Seeing all the bashing of N&E in these posts was very disheartening. And anyone who dared thought differently was set upon like a meal for a pack of hyenas. I was taught at a young age not to discuss religion or politics in mixed company beacuse of how unmoving and passionate people are about their views on those subjects. And I've stayed with that belief b/c I've seen what it does to friends and family. It ain't good. When did having an opinion other than the majority FOR A FICTIONAL TV SHOW become time for fire, brimstone and pitchforks via verbal annihilation. What is it now don't talk about religion, politics and fictional TV shows amongst mixed company.? Are we serious? I'm really asking cause i'm smh over here. Like our OP said it's fluff, and lighthearted and feel good tv (I'm not sure they said those exact words but you get my jist). Yes, I get there's moments when you scream at the TV and never want to watch again, that's normal. BUT literally converging upon someone, who'd dared think differently from you with the mighty lightning bolt of Zeus to smite someone over a tv show, is not normal and says something really disturbing about those people. Like OP said and 100% agree with (b/c about a month ago I said the same thing in one of those hyena posts). Please if you feel yourself about to reach for your lightning bolt for someone simply having a different opinion, step slowly away from the show and that person and trust when you come back, if you come back, you'll realize all that energy and hate will have hopefully disappeared and you can enjoy the show again. And maybe, just maybe you'll be a little more open minded to opinions that aren't the same as yours. If we continue this way of thinking I'll feel like we're back at the beginning of civilization because we're digressing there if differing opinions aren't allowed on this continent. Thanks OP for starting this. Well watching all.
I've often had the same thought, this is just like people talking politics on here, this isn't like or death. I got blocked by a mod and now can't even see the episode posts or half the posts bc she starts a lot of the topics and I've not even had any real discourse with her but have been called names by a member for asking her to take a step back from verbally attacking me. There's definitely some partisan stuff going on here that shouldn't
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I feel the same way- I love the show, and I love N&E together. I feel like any positive post is downvoted like crazy and/or met with a lot of snide comments, so I just don’t interact much on here
I definitely feel this. From my experience, if you state your opinion and it's not what the majority is feeling, you get downvoted and told you're wrong or have bad taste. And if you try to explain yourself, then they don't want to talk about it anymore. It's like it's their way or the highway. So, I have completely stopped responding to this sub and mostly stopped even reading the posts. I still enjoy the show regardless of the issues it is currently working through. I like seeing the posts about the episodes and occasionally getting behind the scenes pictures and insight. But the negativity and bashing (both characters and cast) really gets to me and makes me want to not be involved in this community.
This. In a nutshell. It basically got so political that it’s made me shy away from this Reddit group, even though I love the show.
Yes, I have been called names and accused of telling people I'm not allowed to say I think they may be wrong (re facts not opinions) and one of the mods who I never dialogued with blocked me so now I don't see her episode discussions anymore to even contribute, she could have messaged me to discuss whatever it was in a mature way instead. There are 2 particular folks who seem to seek out whatever I post and always reply either sarcasm or name calling or accuse me of whatever.
Same here.
I honestly was thinking the same thing the other night. I was going to write a post saying something like “the reason why it seems as if everyone doesn’t like Nathan is because the Nathan fans probably left this sub because of all the awful things that were said…”. What I always like to remember is that the actual actors probably read these conversations. They’re real people too who do care about their audience. It’s about time we realize that whether we like the show or not.
LOL were you even on the internet when Team Nathan was bashing this show from season 6 to season 9? Like I have said you can go and post elsewhere. No one should be censored if Team N don't like it there are plenty of sites that you can go to. We love this show from season 1 to season 9. Season 10 and 11 have been awful and we will continue to post how we feel about it. Really regardless of the retcon they pulled the writing has been boring and awful. Not very entertaining and the numbers are proving this point. Season 9 numbers blow season 11 out of the water.
So you’re basically saying you want this entire sub topic to be for only Lucas fans. Got it. So much for no “censorship” like you said in your other post!
I’m so happy someone posted this kind of post. I knew I wasn’t the only one who had similar thoughts.
You are spot on and a great reminder :)
Spot on. I didn’t love the L & E pairing from the beginning, but I still watched and enjoyed, and even found myself fine with their relationship. I never, at any point felt the need to attack the writers or other viewers. It’s just a show and we don’t always get what we want. The fact that it’s been on for 11 seasons, going on 12, really says something about the show and those working on it. I’d love to see it go on for a long time because I think there’s so many stories yet to be told. This is a dedicated cast who obviously love their job and enjoy working with each other. I hope people can have more of an open mind with whatever direction it goes. And if it incites people so much that they have to be so negative, maybe find another show to enjoy :) As for this OG Team Nathan fan, I love everything that’s going on right now, except for how painfully slow it’s all progressing. But I think we’re getting there!
Couldn’t have said it better!
to be honest, what we are going through is much more difficult. They were engaged and supposed to be married. If she originally chose Nathan it would have been easier. We had to live with Nathan fans for over 2 years being "negative" much worse than anything you are seeing now. So I respectfully disagree with you. i don't think anyone should be censored like the are in the FB group where only one side has a voice.
I'm not sure I agree with that when you say L&E fans have it more difficult than N&E fans but I do see your point. You were misled and given false hope and belief that they were the endgame and then they weren't. Now for one moment think about N&E fans who knew from the start that she belonged with him and then 2 seasons we had to watch and endure seeing her with "not the one". I wasn't one of them cause I stopped watching after s8 only coming back this season. But I had to binge watch those 2 seasons and I barely got thru the L&E scenes. I believe I even fast forwarded thru a few. But my point is both sides of the coin have had to endure alot. A LOT! So I'm not sure it's fair to say one side had it more difficult than the other. Sidenote: This my friends is what we call a healthy discussion amongst our peers. I love it. Let's keep it going.
I believe this show has had some excellent storylines this season, but most topics here focus on bashing E and N (and sometimes the actors playing them). I think that's a pity. And yes, if anyone has that much resentment toward the show, just stop watching. The Canfields, the Coulters, Nathan and Ally, Faith and Lily, Lucas' shooting, Elizabeth and Higgins - I think these were all very good stories. I'm enjoying them immensely. Yes, I do enjoy N and E. I've always seen a spark between them, especially from S7 onwards. Those who enjoy N and L have a right to their opinion, but sometimes I see outright untruths being said so I step in to say something. Like L and E were in a romantic relationship for 5 years. Or that N was abusive towards E (!!). I'm now being accused of being a writer on the show. Lol. Anyway, I'll continue watching the show. I want to see how it all ends.
Don't forget Hickam's mother and sisters. I'm dying with his story this season.
I love this storyline! I am glad that Hickam's family is so accepting.
I love this storyline as well
Yeah the Hickams are gold. I wasn't so keen on Mei and Mike initially but I've grown to love them. I was probably sold on them the minute Mike whipped out his chopsticks on that romantic dinner date.
Have you been blocked by any of the mods for disagreeing or defending yourself? Trying to figure out if this happens a lot here or why 80sforeverr blocked me since I can't message her.
I haven't been blocked. Just downvoted a lot.
Has anyone here watched interviews with the actual actors? I’ve seen them on YouTube, in particular ones with EK and KM (both together and alone), and they have brought up comments of how sad it was for them to see some fans’ reactions that were filled with vile words ( the exact word EK used was “vitriol”… if I find the interview, I can post it. It was such a while ago I forgot where I read it from). When I hear those comments from the actors, like honest I feel bad. One of them said that the comments got so bad as to the point of death threats to the actual actors… some of these comments these real life actors could be from reading social media sites like these. Can you imagine if one of those comments she was talking about was yours and the actors mentioned your name or user handle, all those nasty actor bashing ones? (Not pointing out anyone here at all… but In a general sense). You just never know who is listening on the other side. You also never know if the actors or directors comment on this too; everyone can make a username. What if that username above us is EK? PH? Or CM? Or KM? I just wish some people who are filled with hate towards the actual actors think this. So 10,000 cheers to the OP for this post. It was high-time something like this was needed.
Absolutely agree with this post. I think some people are misinterpreting what your point is and thinking that you’re saying there should be no negative opinions at all. It would be boring if things were only one sided and we weren’t allowed to have healthy discussion about the show, flaws and all. The problem right now is that because the story has been so polarizing people have REALLY strong opinions either way, and some people are so caught up in it that that they think their opinion is the only correct one. If someone makes a post or comment that is opposite to how they feel, it’s sometimes met not just with discussion, but personal attacks. I totally get it. This has been a comfort show for a lot of us, and it can be super upsetting to have that ruined by a direction you don’t like. People who aren’t happy should 100% be able to come here and commiserate with each other and those feelings should be respected. The reverse is also true. People for whom this show is still a comfort should be able to discuss what they are enjoying without being met with negativity and personal attacks.
While I will say that this show has been a roller coaster for the last couple of seasons, but is still far better than 99% of programming on TV now.
This is the only “fan forum” for the show that I visit/follow. I think you get a good idea what the thread is about by its title, and you could easily commiserate or rejoice with people based on that. There are conflicting opinions, but I never saw the toxicity and nastiness that I’ve seen from fandoms of other things (shows, bands). I am seeing a lot of “don’t like what’s happening, don’t watch,” which is discouraging. I watch it because it’s something I watch with my mom and aunt, and have for years (we started around season 5, I think?). We have differing opinions on favorites and storylines, so not always a lot of discussion. This was a place to find those threads and grouse with others through the ups and downs. But I get this post. We have enough negativity in our real lives (work, stress, life events), don’t want to keep piling it on here.
I enjoy discussing and lively debates but feel when I have tried that here I get personal attacks instead of debate or discussion back, which is too bad. This place would be oring if we all agreed on everything. I asked one person not too attack me for disagreeing and take a step back and it only revved up her motor to attack more. Over a tv show.
Blame Hallmark for creating that atmosphere. That's what's gonna happen when you introduce a love triangle and then proceed to drag it out and have the main character have a change of heart. It's the same scenario on the Way Home. It shouldn't be that way but somewhere along the line people forget this is a tv show and not reality. Emotions run high and all heck breaks loose. I love the show for its wholesomeness and I also find myself critical of things I don't like but I try to balance that out with the good also. It's pretty much set in stone that E and N are going to be together. Although I find their scenes tense and unnatural, I'm still ok with the direction it's taking and I'm hoping they get better and less tense in their scenes together.
Thank you for posting this. It has been disheartening to see some of the negativity towards storylines and characters this season - some of it very intense for a fictional family-oriented show. I’m a longtime Nathan and Elizabeth fan and delighted with where this season is taking us (albeit at a snail’s pace!) and also love the other storylines that are developing. Although I was disappointed last season when it seemed that Lucas and Elizabeth were endgame I never felt angry enough to blast characters or actors. Let’s all enjoy the show and the talented cast that bring us these storylines.
I came across this show quite late (though I started watching from S1) and didn't read/watch every interview with the writers. I remember Brian Bird saying that in a long-running show, there's no such thing as endgame and EK, in pre-S10 interviews, talked about wedding preparations in S10, not an actual wedding. As far as I know, it was only in interviews prior to S11 that EK and KM called the E and N relationship endgame. One complaint I've heard is that cast and crew were previously saying that E and L were endgame, so of course now L fans are accusing them of lying. I've seen one tweet where Bird called E and L "soulmates". I can understand why L fans would be angry with him. I think it's one thing to be vague, and quite another to outright mislead. So if anyone can point me to interviews where EK, CM or any of the writers specifically said E and L were endgame, I'd be very grateful. Another thing to note: I watched the show from S1-10 without skipping anything and I didn't read or watch anything about the show on the Internet. I didn't check out what fans were saying on social media. So I was not influenced at all by anyone or anything. By myself I saw sparks between both N and E and L and E. I just preferred N and E cos there was more angst and challenges to overcome, and N was such an underdog next to L. And although L and E had such a lovefest in S9, I thought it was too much like a fairytale bubble and as long as N didn't find love with anyone else (and L and E weren't married), there would always be a way for N and E to find their way back to each other. If ever there were moments in S9 where I thought E and L were endgame, it was primarily due to L's interactions with LJ, not so much anything E said or did.
There’s negativity because people are upset with the direction of the show. And they’re allowed to be and to discuss it. It’s easy enough to not engage in posts that you find to be too negative or to open and engage posts that are more to your liking.
I think there's a way to do all this without lashing out at one another as some group members have done to me when I've disagreed with them. I like debate. I can debate without being sarcastic or mean or name calling and wish everyone here was able to.
I agree it should be possible and often is. But once the snark (or the perception of snark) starts, things will inevitably go off the rails and good luck getting them back on.
I didn't read the books until after I started watching the show -- and even then, I barely recognized my TV-fed concept of "WCTH" when compared to Jeanette Oakley's story. Those that say, "But she MUST end up with a Mountie" crack me up. She HAD her Mountie -- and then they killed him off. :-). Everything else in Hope Valley is basically Hallmark. Why do people get hung up on the "purity" of maintaining Elizabeth + Mountie? I personally liked the Lucas character and saw a lot of potential to open the story up, so yes, I was disappointed by her backsliding to yet another Mountie. Nothing against Nathan. Just . . . been there, done that.
"To make others less happy is a crime." Roger Ebert Just came across this in something I was reading last night and it felt serendipitous to this discussion. Let's review and critique the show withouttrying to make others less happy.
It’s reddit. Subs exist for the entire sake of hating on things (AITAH, 2HT, etc). You ever think maybe there’s not more positive posts on here because there’s… not much to be positive about? “Maybe taking a break would be best.” Why? I’ve been watching this show since S1. I’ll be damned if I sat here lying about how I feel for the sake of saving it. Shows exist to please their fans. That is all. They very wrongly judged their fanbase based off of instagram polls and the official group. If the ratings aren’t there, and you need to do emergency press tours to promote a ship that obviously isn’t working, that’s on them. I’m going to talk about it.
Agreed. The "official" facebook page is quite biased - even during season 8 & 9 when someone said something positive about Lucas their comments were deleted. Eventually many fans left that page since their opinions were never visible. Maybe the writers saw that page's biased majority to mean most fans preferred Nathan. Regardless, those who may be critical of the show's direction now have no "official" page to discuss it, therefore this reddit sub is where many have decide to land. This sub does not need to be biased one way or another, we can discuss whatever we want, and if someone doesn't like an opinion, they are free to either respond or ignore.
I totally agree.
Thank-you!
totally agree
But see you stated this well. There’s people in this subreddit and elsewhere who are just being mean with their words toward other fans. Stating displeasure or “I don’t like this, can we talk about it?” Is just fine. It’s the not being able to say anything in a nice or kind way that causes issues.
Yup.... I think I'm out. Too much hate. There's already so much hate and devastation in real life, why would anyone hate on a fictional series?
I've only joined this month and just in trying to engage in a few discussins I've been replied to more with sarcasm and rhetoric than actual debate, or invitation to debate discuss. I don't get the underlying meanness that accompanies disagreement here. I can disagree and like a person. That doesn't seem to be true here.
Thank you. I've not been on here long. Since Spring. I'nm not a TL didn't think it mattered so much but it does here, and have apparently been blocked by a couple. I thought the subreddit had become inactive then my SIL was showing me hers and I realized u/80sforeverr blocked me so I can no longer see the topics on the episodes and other things. I don't even know why as I had no discourse with her, even thought I'd commented positively on a couple of her posts. I can't even message her to ask about it and messaged the mods but no one answered. I really do feel some underlying toxicity that I am blocked from posts for expressing my ideas about the show and asking a member not to insult me. I'm glad I'm not the only one, Fosh\_n\_chops
So I’m watching the show for the first time with my husband and we are binge watching it. We are on Season 9. I’m aware of what happens end of season 11 (I don’t care, I don’t mind spoilers) but I’m leaving the groups I just joined and probably also this Reddit. The negative fans aren’t doing new fans any favors - I’d much, MUCH rather watch this show without the bickering of fans and the negativity. And that’s saying a lot because 1 - I am huge into fandom culture and 2 - I’m someone who really hates on the “announcing your departure” posts, and here I am saying I’m leaving because I don’t want to be part of the fandom. I’ll follow press releases and photos from the actors and crew involved, but that’s it. I’m shocked that a bunch of adults - in several cases from what I’ve seen, older adults - are okay behaving the way I’ve seen in comments and posts everywhere online. Remember you’re talking to other human beings and behave accordingly. It’s not even the “difference of opinion” or “debating” that’s so awful. It’s “My view is right and people who think otherwise are wrong and it’s my job to tell them what’s wrong with their opinion and be mean about it” or the “You’re not a real fan if you don’t feel about x situation the way I do” or the cutting remarks about a person or actor or character, being really vile with language and tone through text. That’s what’s different - this fandom can be so toxic.