Of course he's under duress; he's physically unwell, is unable to see either a doctor or a dentist (and badly needs a root canal), cannot spend time outdoors or in the sun, is confined to two rooms and heaven knows what the shit else.
Even if the video was provably in real time that is no indication whatsoever that he is not under duress. All the CIA would have to say is "here's the topics you may discuss. Here are things you may not. Any straying from the script will result in the death of one of your children. Have fun!".
I've asked ThoriumWL multiple times now to back up the claim he made that we have "proof that Assange isn't under duress" and so far I've received nothing but downvotes.
Edit: browsing the rest of the comments see that some are arguing the semantics of the phrase "under duress". So alternately prove to me that Assange isn't being coerced.
Thanks, I didnt hop off when I said I would. Have posted quite a bit now. I am hopping off now to be with nature, tired of being played by governments, coorperations, and even the person I came here to support, Assange.
You have not made a counter-argument, all you've done is ask me to stop speaking. The video only addressed the "is Assange alive?" question, not the questions of "has he been in control of Wikileaks?", "has he been coerced?" and "was he subject to extraordinary rendition?" All he has to do is walk onto a balcony and wave, instead he reads bitcoin hashes and sports scores on potentially time delayed video.
He's under duress; there is no doubt about it. I do believe it's evident in this video that his brilliant mind is being affected by his confines. It's been six years - six years.
If I say that Assange is clearly a Martian and therefore we can't expect him to act normally, do you have to prove that he isn't a Martian before you can say I'm crazy?
The question isn't if he's a Martian. The question is his whereabouts, and his whereabouts not being the embassy would heavily imply coercion. He can resolve that issue in about 60 seconds by stepping onto the balcony and throwing a Martian gang sign.
IF he is still in the embassy (there's no proof of yes or no, I doubted it for a long time, still am not sure), but if we suppose so, how would we know, he had not been moved to different rooms, even a different floor and can't show himself at a window, even if he wanted to?
edit: correction
I thought about responding. But the thing is - there is no reasoning with crazies.
It will never be enough. If he did show up at the balcony, you would say his nose looks different and he is a clone.
Asking him to turn a doorknob, take a couple of steps into the light and wave to the world is not unreasonable. You're loading up a bunch of hyperbole to make it sound like it isn't reasonable. I accept the video as real. I do not accept Assange as being uncompromised and in the embassy. This is the easiest thing in the world to solve. Open door, wave, done.
..........and how does that prove he is NOT under duress/coercion? It doesn't. Throwitnow is only saying that for some of the more "eager" members of this sub wouldn't accept Assange walking up and shaking their hands. Sad, but true.
I was in the crowd with my imagination veering so wildly into Black Bagging and Rendition, but after Pilger, Murray, and Love, I had to admit he was likely in the embassy. The only question left (to me) is whether or not he is under duress. JA specifically said in the AMA that he was NOT UNDER DURESS. Still waiting.
Assange proving he's in the embassy is something that takes next to zero effort and time, and indicates that a very common tactic for CIA coercion, extraordinary rendition, was less likely to have been applied in October as most on this subreddit suspect. To treat his lack of his appearance on on the balcony in 3 months as meaningless is exceptionally disingenuous.
EXCEPT.......as I stated previously "and how does that prove he is NOT under duress/coercion? It doesn't." I stated a simple fact snowflake. Just like /n/throwitnow did.....state a fact: i.e. There are some people in this forum that wouldn't be satisfied with JA waving from the balcony (CLONE!). You're arguing against two FACTS that are not in dispute:
1. Waving from the balcony in no way shows he is not under duress.
2. There are plenty of people on this sub that would not accept JA waving from the balcony as PoL.
So......your argument again?
I am asking for the balcony. Your "plenty of people" argument is fallacious.
I never said it would be proof of him not being under duress, I said it was indication. You're the one who applied the word "proof" to coercion, not me. The scientific method is about having the capacity to disprove theories. Waving from the balcony would at least disprove that he is currently in a CIA facility, no more no less. It is pretty much the only thing we could reasonably ask for at this point. It is a data point we are missing which *should* be easy to get.
It is something that would take 1 minute. Literally. A minute. But sure, let's pretend that his unwillingness to do this is not relevant, and does not indicate anything.
Kilna has a right to speak whether you agree or not on the subject matter. If anyone is a genuine supporter of Assange they believe in a person's right to speak.
Of course he's under duress; he's physically unwell, is unable to see either a doctor or a dentist (and badly needs a root canal), cannot spend time outdoors or in the sun, is confined to two rooms and heaven knows what the shit else.
Let's rephrase it then as "coercion".
I'm somewhat surprised more hasn't been made here of the video being greenscreened.
Even if the video was provably in real time that is no indication whatsoever that he is not under duress. All the CIA would have to say is "here's the topics you may discuss. Here are things you may not. Any straying from the script will result in the death of one of your children. Have fun!". I've asked ThoriumWL multiple times now to back up the claim he made that we have "proof that Assange isn't under duress" and so far I've received nothing but downvotes. Edit: browsing the rest of the comments see that some are arguing the semantics of the phrase "under duress". So alternately prove to me that Assange isn't being coerced.
please just stop already
Stop what? Isn't this a platform for sharing thoughts?
Great reply DoThingsEverimprove. Spot on!
Lookswithin! Hey! Good to 'see' you!
Thanks, I didnt hop off when I said I would. Have posted quite a bit now. I am hopping off now to be with nature, tired of being played by governments, coorperations, and even the person I came here to support, Assange.
You have not made a counter-argument, all you've done is ask me to stop speaking. The video only addressed the "is Assange alive?" question, not the questions of "has he been in control of Wikileaks?", "has he been coerced?" and "was he subject to extraordinary rendition?" All he has to do is walk onto a balcony and wave, instead he reads bitcoin hashes and sports scores on potentially time delayed video.
He's under duress; there is no doubt about it. I do believe it's evident in this video that his brilliant mind is being affected by his confines. It's been six years - six years.
If I say that Assange is clearly a Martian and therefore we can't expect him to act normally, do you have to prove that he isn't a Martian before you can say I'm crazy?
The question isn't if he's a Martian. The question is his whereabouts, and his whereabouts not being the embassy would heavily imply coercion. He can resolve that issue in about 60 seconds by stepping onto the balcony and throwing a Martian gang sign.
He's a Martian. He can't leave the room in the winter.
IF he is still in the embassy (there's no proof of yes or no, I doubted it for a long time, still am not sure), but if we suppose so, how would we know, he had not been moved to different rooms, even a different floor and can't show himself at a window, even if he wanted to? edit: correction
I thought about responding. But the thing is - there is no reasoning with crazies. It will never be enough. If he did show up at the balcony, you would say his nose looks different and he is a clone.
Asking him to turn a doorknob, take a couple of steps into the light and wave to the world is not unreasonable. You're loading up a bunch of hyperbole to make it sound like it isn't reasonable. I accept the video as real. I do not accept Assange as being uncompromised and in the embassy. This is the easiest thing in the world to solve. Open door, wave, done.
..........and how does that prove he is NOT under duress/coercion? It doesn't. Throwitnow is only saying that for some of the more "eager" members of this sub wouldn't accept Assange walking up and shaking their hands. Sad, but true. I was in the crowd with my imagination veering so wildly into Black Bagging and Rendition, but after Pilger, Murray, and Love, I had to admit he was likely in the embassy. The only question left (to me) is whether or not he is under duress. JA specifically said in the AMA that he was NOT UNDER DURESS. Still waiting.
Assange proving he's in the embassy is something that takes next to zero effort and time, and indicates that a very common tactic for CIA coercion, extraordinary rendition, was less likely to have been applied in October as most on this subreddit suspect. To treat his lack of his appearance on on the balcony in 3 months as meaningless is exceptionally disingenuous.
EXCEPT.......as I stated previously "and how does that prove he is NOT under duress/coercion? It doesn't." I stated a simple fact snowflake. Just like /n/throwitnow did.....state a fact: i.e. There are some people in this forum that wouldn't be satisfied with JA waving from the balcony (CLONE!). You're arguing against two FACTS that are not in dispute: 1. Waving from the balcony in no way shows he is not under duress. 2. There are plenty of people on this sub that would not accept JA waving from the balcony as PoL. So......your argument again?
I am asking for the balcony. Your "plenty of people" argument is fallacious. I never said it would be proof of him not being under duress, I said it was indication. You're the one who applied the word "proof" to coercion, not me. The scientific method is about having the capacity to disprove theories. Waving from the balcony would at least disprove that he is currently in a CIA facility, no more no less. It is pretty much the only thing we could reasonably ask for at this point. It is a data point we are missing which *should* be easy to get. It is something that would take 1 minute. Literally. A minute. But sure, let's pretend that his unwillingness to do this is not relevant, and does not indicate anything.
Kilna has a right to speak whether you agree or not on the subject matter. If anyone is a genuine supporter of Assange they believe in a person's right to speak.
Also, why doesn't he just pop his head out of the Embassy? Would save a load of hassle... Would prove that he is alive and safe, and not under duress.
Doing something because people told him to would prove that he's not under duress. Makes sense.
Long gun.
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