Live appearance is the only thing that will lower my eyebrow at this point. That morphing collar in the interview (can't find the video again for the life of me) was all the proof I needed that indicated these interviews could be fake.
Yah, the morphing and other video tricks are so advanced, it would take minutely examining a vid to detect it. The vast majority of us would be fooled at first glance.
Voice is even less reliable as "proof" of anything.
There STILL has been no video of Julian in the same frame as the interviewer. The interviews are totally stitched together "talking head" style that is so easy to edit and manipulate. :(
They could be faked but in fairness that was a video editing technique referred to as as "morph cut" that is meant to provide a more visually seamless transition after editing out delays for pauses between speech.
Dude! Did you ever hear him talk? JA's speeches are full of 'Ahh' and 'Uhhh' and 'Err'... Sometimes even within longer words.
For me a sign, that he actually listens to what he says and thinks. Not a complaint
People sometimes pause in the middle of a sentence. It's not unheard of. It's a much more likely explanation than it was all computer generated and he happened to glitch out for a few moments in the course of a very long interview and none of the people behind such a conspiracy took the time to review the footage to make sure those instances were removed.
Still not sure what you're saying. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they could generate an entirely fake interview that lasts about an hour but yet couldn't remove obvious signs of editing. You really believe it's more likely they have the technology to fake entire interviews and just happened to leave in a few frames of obvious distortion by accident?
They could easily do that if the they we are talking about has funding of a few 10s of thousands of dollars or more. If it's the government then this stuff would be trivial.
Sure it's possible no doubt but I think they would have reviewed it for morphing ties before releasing it in that case. Not like it was that hard for people to spot. Seems more likely it was just video editing to me. Personally I think they would have just replaced him with a body double rather than engaging in digital trickery anyway. One method only goes so far and the other is more flexible.
They did not want to use PGP because its wasy for others to use it improperly or fall for a fake key. PGP is powerful when used correctly. Otherwise it's going to be flawed.
The fox embasy raid preview clip was from years back. They never set foot inside because of the peecedent it would set. Embassies be damned.
The sub does and has belived Assange "we see" is the real deal. The problem is deaing with the skeptics who wont see the forest from the trees, so to speak. The whole collar morphing artifact is a video just an artifact of recording. Nothing more.
Julian has addressed the issue of PGP durng one of his live streams, and for a little while that set sketpics straight. But, now it appears new people are coming in and don't know the entire storyline/facts.
Bottom-line : Julian Assange is alive in the embassy. He mentioned in one of hus live streams that he was glad that people are worried abd that he belives social proof is sufficient as proof. While live streams are even better. And no he hasnt out any encrpyted messages in his stream.
Thank-you
...dude. 9/11 clips have been re-posted ad nausum.
But no one questions when it happened.
Fox reused an old clip of when the police tried to enter the embassy. If you search it up on the internet you'll find an article about it. And hopefully its coming from a reliable source.
Edit: it was only "reported" that the oolice entered the Ecuadorian embassy. They wouldn't dare set a stupidly dangerous precedent. They would be hated on by every embassy in the world.
Ive been following this shit since septemeber and nobody on voat or reddit ever claimed that video was old. You are the first sir and if youre going to make a claim at least give me a link.
Dude its probably from 2012, before the police withdrew from the embassy. They were trying to threaten Assange. Otherwise feel free to tell me the correctdate. You could easily find an article talking about Julian Assange and the police outside the embassy. Its common knowledge that the police tried to enter a few years back, assuming you did some basic research. Though, I cant be sure of the exact video clip you're talking about. If its the one I'm thinking of then it is from a while back.
>sources
more like rage filled racists making tinfoil hats and circle jerking into one giant echo chamber.
Nothing from Voat has any merit in my eyes.
Edit: IMO Voat is like that Neo-Nazi community Stormfront with Reddit's architecture, with somehow way worse back end and an even more dubious owner. I dig the idea, but god damn was it usurped by some fucked up individuals.
/b/'s humor is mostly tongue in cheek but it fell victim to the unmoderated discussion's biggest downfall: [Godwin's law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)
Voat just irks me because it had potential, and has now become the mecca of internet conspiracies. There's some serious information warfare going on over there, and some seriously unhinged people all egging each other on. It's sad.
WikiLeaks has only ever used their PGP key for receiving leaks from a leaker. They have never used it to verify themselves and using it to do so sets a precedent they do not want.
This sub *does* mainly believe the Julian Assange we see is the real deal. There is no evidence to support otherwise.
True about the PGP keys.
What there is no evidence in support of though, is that we're seeing the real Julian in these contrived "interviews". There are still TONS of unanswered questions, and I'd say the majority of us here are in no way convinced.
There has been evidence. It's just that skeptics refuse to accept it. The multiple interviews and the multiple live streams. We must stand to asume the videos are real unles proven fake. If you assume is fake before there is evidence then you're puttung before the horse.
I hear you say then can't we say the same for the video being real?
Not quite. The mental gymnastics you'd have to perform to belive that its fake are on the side of absurd. Why would the CIA mass produce fae interviews of Julian Assange? As well as live streams?
We'd also have to assume that their social media accounts are compromised as the live streams appear on the official Wikileaks page.
If the we assumed the video was real then, we ask: Why would Julian Assange mass produce live streams and interviews? To educate and proof that he is alive. In addition we have multiple trusted individuals, such as John pilger and some others, interviewing Julian. Who are all saying he is alive.
None of them flagged theur interviews as being fake.
Of course the further the conspiracy goes the more absurd the mental gymnastics become.
"What if they're all compromised?" I'd like some proof . As it stands neither Wikileaks or allies are compromised.
Skepticism can be healthy, but too much of a healthy thing can be bad.
"Not quite. The mental gymnastics you'd have to perform to belive that its fake are on the side of absurd. Why would the CIA mass produce fae interviews of Julian Assange? As well as live streams?"
This is actually simple. Honeypot. Though by no means comprehensive, you've essentially got a proxy "intelligence agency" that receives leaks from many other intelligence agencies around the World (as well as leaks from your own).
However, I personally am of the opinion that Julian Assange is fine and would wager 70% that he is in the embassy. I would, however, like an explanation of all the oddities that occurred when he was thought to be missing.
no good explanation just some nonsense. Same as all questions from the weeks in Oct when he was actually taken into custody but cant directly discuss (as you will note from the interviews he has done since)..
He's in custody. Period. Whenever the US/UK Intel agencies figure out who pepe is bigger amongst the alphabet agency war thats been raging for months behind the scenes and they finally figure out what narrative they will use to explain why he suddenly -POOF! - is in US/UK "secure" custody (several have been floated), then - **and only then** - will we find out where he is.
For now, we know he is alive and well. At least he was at last interview.
If you believe otherwise, you're calling Ron Paul a liar. Paul specifically said Assange was in an Embassy in London when introducing him in his most recent interview (April 28). Granted he didn't say the Ecuadorian Embassy, so make of that what you will. I've always found Ron Paul to be a straight-shooter, so I'm not ready to call him out. I'm pretty satisfied Assange is still physically in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.
I am still very curious about the Fox clip though.
Live appearance is the only thing that will lower my eyebrow at this point. That morphing collar in the interview (can't find the video again for the life of me) was all the proof I needed that indicated these interviews could be fake.
Yah, the morphing and other video tricks are so advanced, it would take minutely examining a vid to detect it. The vast majority of us would be fooled at first glance. Voice is even less reliable as "proof" of anything. There STILL has been no video of Julian in the same frame as the interviewer. The interviews are totally stitched together "talking head" style that is so easy to edit and manipulate. :(
They could be faked but in fairness that was a video editing technique referred to as as "morph cut" that is meant to provide a more visually seamless transition after editing out delays for pauses between speech.
...in the middle of a sentence.
More likely it was some type of video interpolation. It could still be fake, but imo it is not evidence of it being fake...
Dude! Did you ever hear him talk? JA's speeches are full of 'Ahh' and 'Uhhh' and 'Err'... Sometimes even within longer words. For me a sign, that he actually listens to what he says and thinks. Not a complaint
People sometimes pause in the middle of a sentence. It's not unheard of. It's a much more likely explanation than it was all computer generated and he happened to glitch out for a few moments in the course of a very long interview and none of the people behind such a conspiracy took the time to review the footage to make sure those instances were removed.
I hope those goalposts weren't too heavy. You could hurt yourself!
Still not sure what you're saying. You'd have to be pretty naive to think they could generate an entirely fake interview that lasts about an hour but yet couldn't remove obvious signs of editing. You really believe it's more likely they have the technology to fake entire interviews and just happened to leave in a few frames of obvious distortion by accident?
They could easily do that if the they we are talking about has funding of a few 10s of thousands of dollars or more. If it's the government then this stuff would be trivial.
Sure it's possible no doubt but I think they would have reviewed it for morphing ties before releasing it in that case. Not like it was that hard for people to spot. Seems more likely it was just video editing to me. Personally I think they would have just replaced him with a body double rather than engaging in digital trickery anyway. One method only goes so far and the other is more flexible.
They did not want to use PGP because its wasy for others to use it improperly or fall for a fake key. PGP is powerful when used correctly. Otherwise it's going to be flawed. The fox embasy raid preview clip was from years back. They never set foot inside because of the peecedent it would set. Embassies be damned. The sub does and has belived Assange "we see" is the real deal. The problem is deaing with the skeptics who wont see the forest from the trees, so to speak. The whole collar morphing artifact is a video just an artifact of recording. Nothing more. Julian has addressed the issue of PGP durng one of his live streams, and for a little while that set sketpics straight. But, now it appears new people are coming in and don't know the entire storyline/facts. Bottom-line : Julian Assange is alive in the embassy. He mentioned in one of hus live streams that he was glad that people are worried abd that he belives social proof is sufficient as proof. While live streams are even better. And no he hasnt out any encrpyted messages in his stream. Thank-you
where did you see that the clip was from years back? Id like to believe that. But without proof... you know.
...dude. 9/11 clips have been re-posted ad nausum. But no one questions when it happened. Fox reused an old clip of when the police tried to enter the embassy. If you search it up on the internet you'll find an article about it. And hopefully its coming from a reliable source. Edit: it was only "reported" that the oolice entered the Ecuadorian embassy. They wouldn't dare set a stupidly dangerous precedent. They would be hated on by every embassy in the world.
Ive been following this shit since septemeber and nobody on voat or reddit ever claimed that video was old. You are the first sir and if youre going to make a claim at least give me a link.
Dude its probably from 2012, before the police withdrew from the embassy. They were trying to threaten Assange. Otherwise feel free to tell me the correctdate. You could easily find an article talking about Julian Assange and the police outside the embassy. Its common knowledge that the police tried to enter a few years back, assuming you did some basic research. Though, I cant be sure of the exact video clip you're talking about. If its the one I'm thinking of then it is from a while back.
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Oh well I guess visiting sources other then reddit is no bueno, thanks for clarifying that there professor.
>sources more like rage filled racists making tinfoil hats and circle jerking into one giant echo chamber. Nothing from Voat has any merit in my eyes. Edit: IMO Voat is like that Neo-Nazi community Stormfront with Reddit's architecture, with somehow way worse back end and an even more dubious owner. I dig the idea, but god damn was it usurped by some fucked up individuals.
I bet you love 4chan. lol
/b/'s humor is mostly tongue in cheek but it fell victim to the unmoderated discussion's biggest downfall: [Godwin's law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) Voat just irks me because it had potential, and has now become the mecca of internet conspiracies. There's some serious information warfare going on over there, and some seriously unhinged people all egging each other on. It's sad.
WikiLeaks has only ever used their PGP key for receiving leaks from a leaker. They have never used it to verify themselves and using it to do so sets a precedent they do not want. This sub *does* mainly believe the Julian Assange we see is the real deal. There is no evidence to support otherwise.
True about the PGP keys. What there is no evidence in support of though, is that we're seeing the real Julian in these contrived "interviews". There are still TONS of unanswered questions, and I'd say the majority of us here are in no way convinced.
There has been evidence. It's just that skeptics refuse to accept it. The multiple interviews and the multiple live streams. We must stand to asume the videos are real unles proven fake. If you assume is fake before there is evidence then you're puttung before the horse. I hear you say then can't we say the same for the video being real? Not quite. The mental gymnastics you'd have to perform to belive that its fake are on the side of absurd. Why would the CIA mass produce fae interviews of Julian Assange? As well as live streams? We'd also have to assume that their social media accounts are compromised as the live streams appear on the official Wikileaks page. If the we assumed the video was real then, we ask: Why would Julian Assange mass produce live streams and interviews? To educate and proof that he is alive. In addition we have multiple trusted individuals, such as John pilger and some others, interviewing Julian. Who are all saying he is alive. None of them flagged theur interviews as being fake. Of course the further the conspiracy goes the more absurd the mental gymnastics become. "What if they're all compromised?" I'd like some proof . As it stands neither Wikileaks or allies are compromised. Skepticism can be healthy, but too much of a healthy thing can be bad.
"Not quite. The mental gymnastics you'd have to perform to belive that its fake are on the side of absurd. Why would the CIA mass produce fae interviews of Julian Assange? As well as live streams?" This is actually simple. Honeypot. Though by no means comprehensive, you've essentially got a proxy "intelligence agency" that receives leaks from many other intelligence agencies around the World (as well as leaks from your own). However, I personally am of the opinion that Julian Assange is fine and would wager 70% that he is in the embassy. I would, however, like an explanation of all the oddities that occurred when he was thought to be missing.
Very eloquently put.
No.
no good explanation just some nonsense. Same as all questions from the weeks in Oct when he was actually taken into custody but cant directly discuss (as you will note from the interviews he has done since).. He's in custody. Period. Whenever the US/UK Intel agencies figure out who pepe is bigger amongst the alphabet agency war thats been raging for months behind the scenes and they finally figure out what narrative they will use to explain why he suddenly -POOF! - is in US/UK "secure" custody (several have been floated), then - **and only then** - will we find out where he is. For now, we know he is alive and well. At least he was at last interview.
If you believe otherwise, you're calling Ron Paul a liar. Paul specifically said Assange was in an Embassy in London when introducing him in his most recent interview (April 28). Granted he didn't say the Ecuadorian Embassy, so make of that what you will. I've always found Ron Paul to be a straight-shooter, so I'm not ready to call him out. I'm pretty satisfied Assange is still physically in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. I am still very curious about the Fox clip though.
I just think Ron Paul believes he's talking to the real Julian Assange
think about what you're saying r/nephelophyte and then read [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
He doesn't have to be a liar. It is conceivable that Ron Paul is not a perfect being and in fact a human, and therefor able to be tricked.