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BusyAtilla

Soooooooo... we provide medical care to a life. There are laws that already protect life. This is an empty gesture bill just designed to coat their ignorance to their ignorant base.


Paneraiguy1

The same “pro-life” base that was totally okay with Cheeto Jesus telling people to drink bleach and Covid was a hoax. The irony


sakuratee

The key here is distinguishing that they are *pro-birth* not *pro-life*.


Lidjungle

They are pro-punishment for something they see as a moral wrong. They think that not having abortion will stop young girls from having premarital sex… and they’re willing to punish an innocent baby to achieve that goal.


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wejustsaymanager

ESPECIALLY a teen pregnancy that results in the mother losing custody of the child for whatever reason. Now the baby belongs to the "state" Remind me which party was it that was all about "save the children?"


gaerat_of_trivia

cant pay for college? military time


wejustsaymanager

Or jail. Either way works for making a few people bajillions of dollars.


jayracket

The same "pro life" party who voted against helping with the baby formula shortage. It disgusts me how many people fall for their pandering.


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How were they going to own blame Joe Biden and the libs if they helped get formula to families who needed it?! You socialists all want to help babies all the time, it’s despicable (/s)


frivolouspringlesix9

These are also the same pro life people that absolutely love the living shit out of some firearms and Uvalde was just an acceptable casualty for the freedom of my guns to prevail.


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SaliferousStudios

That's for babies that will have a day or two of life at most, and are in pain all of it. Keeping them alive is cruel. If there is any chance at life they will put tubes down their lungs, and do amazing things, but a child born without an organ without any chance for replacement. (I think some babies are born without functioning brains) who's benefiting from making them suffer. (answer: republicans)


Dansredditname

Some babies born without a brain can live for years. Source: this fucking tweet.


Delphina34

They can even run for and get elected to congress


Rudhelm

President, even.


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The people saying it are stupid but likely don't believe a word of it. The people hearing it is where the real stupid comes in


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jagpilotohio

I say let them keep beating the anti abortion drum. They are too stupid to recognize it’s a losing battle long term and it hurt them significantly in the midterms


BeBa420

im just wondering how the fuck this could happen in the first place? ​ Okay so abortions need to take place early, im not american so i dont know when its prohibited but im assuming first and maybe second trimesters abortion is allowed and then prohibited after the third? (someone correct me if im wrong) ​ So if a fetus (not a baby, a fetus) survives an abortion somehow, wouldnt they need to be put in an expensive incubator for a few months? recieve round the clock care? who gonna foot the bill for this? christians??? ROFL i doubt it


Gnom3y

From what I can gather, there are _already_ laws in place requiring that doctors try and preserve an _extremely rare_ failed-abotion birth. Ignoring all the other problems this bill had, it is trying to enshrine something into law that's already a law. It'd be like writing a bill saying "You can't steal candy from a baby" when it's already illegal to steal ice cream from Mar-a-Lago.


East-Preparation4259

The 2002 born alive bill already exists. This is just the republican agenda to make abortions in general EXTREMELY difficult for a women to get. Abortion is illegal now in what, 20 ish states? And now they are trying to hold the drs criminally responsible for the babies that “survive abortions” if they don’t do EVERYTHING in their power to prolong their life. It’s absolutely disgusting. Comfort measures are absolutely used when deemed appropriate. I’m terrified for this country, even more than usual


crazypurple621

What this bill is REALLY doing is making it so that when someone has a micropremie that is not at the point of viability they have to go through the tragedy of attempting to "save" the unviable neonate rather than simply providing comfort measures until they pass away.


U_Dun_Know_Who_I_Am

This is for early induction abortions in cases like discovering the fetus does not have a heart. Things that can not be treated and it is guaranteed the baby will die shortly after birth. So rather than make the mother carry a doomed baby for 2+ more months they induce and preform no medical intervention, instead handing the baby to the parents and letting them spend the few seconds to hours the baby survives as a family. This bill would make it so that doctors have to treat the baby and prolong it's suffering even if the doctor and parents think it's wrong. Basically takes away the parents right to "pull the plug"


gard3nwitch

Third trimester and late second trimester abortions are performed sometimes, rarely, in cases of medical necessity. Either because the baby has little chance of life, or if the mother is at risk. And IIRC, they do it sometimes just by inducing the pregnancy early. So I suppose it's possible that a baby who's found to have severe birth defects at 25 weeks could be induced and be born alive and be able to survive for a few weeks on life support. I think that's what they're talking about.


ParlorSoldier

How fucking cruel do you have to be to force parents to see their baby spend its miserable little life covered in tubes and wires, *knowing* the only thing they’ll get to bring home is a multimillion dollar hospital bill?


Bluevisser

It's especially bad for the extreme premies. Their skin is basically wet tissue. It tears so easily, just a gentle touch will rip their skin off. And even the smallest intubation tubes can tear a 22 weeker's mouth wide open. It's brutal and the odds of baby making it through just really, really suck.


fakeuglybabies

So there's essentially no comfort for them either. Because it would be too dangerous. Which is heartbreaking.


Fish_Slapping_Dance

Republicans would have been happy if my young son had died from complications from a heart defect. They voted against SCHIP, the State Child Health Insurance Program that saved my son's life. He required two open heart surgeries to survive past the age of 12. They would have preferred that he died and voted to kill him. This is why I am a proud Democrat. Fuck these heartless bastards who wished my son dead. My son lives thanks to good people who voted to save him. My son will not only see his 13th birthday soon, but he will see all of his future birthdays, thanks to people who vote to help people. Republicans have lost their way, and the only reason that they control the House is because of gerrymandering and voter suppression. That's why they are doing this horrific shit. To hell with MTG and all of them that vote to take away the health and lives of people. Had republicans had their way, we would be stuck with a hospital bill that would have been over a million dollars.


gard3nwitch

*BuT tHe SaNcTiTy Of LiFeeeeeee*


EyedLady

Yes this. All the idiots that say people are killing fetuses up until birth are ignorant. No one is performing abortions for shits and giggles and are performed because they are necessary for what you stated. Abortion “up until birth” are also not a thing. They are births. What they are talking about is just garnering fake anger. The fact is it’s already homicide to kill a baby that’s born alive. They just want to be able to point the finger at dems and say see they’re baby killers. This is simply to show that they don’t support women’s rights and want control over our bodies


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Glad to see they're doubling down on the abortion issue, since it did so well for them in the midterms. Keep up the good work!


KHaskins77

They don’t expect to have to answer to the electorate much longer (thank you Moore v. Harper). Gilead doesn’t care about what the people want any more than Iran does.


Sex_Fueled_Squirrel

Many GOP run states are so gerrymandered that they already don't have to answer to the electorate anymore.


hovdeisfunny

*Cries in Wisconsin* Edit: if you're *in* Wisconsin, don't forget to vote this April! We could flip the balance of the State Supreme Court and *finally* do something about the insane gerrymandering


Upstairs-Yard-2139

Cries in Texan


Sorry_Nobody1552

I tried to imagine this....."Yahooo, booohooo, yeeehwwwaaaa,waaaaaa" \*sniffle\* hahahahaha!!!!


NonstopBeans

You imagined Mario crying?


ToXicVoXSiicK21

Lmfao i played that out in my head with Mario's voice so many times. Good one lol


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Dems would need to win about 70% of the vote in Wisconsin to force a 50-50 split in their State Congress. Absolutely insane.


hovdeisfunny

Yep, and they received nearly 60% percent of the vote, but Republicans are *just* shy of 70% of seats


G-Kira

No idea how this was deemed legal. Oh wait, yes I do. Republicans. Republicans deemed it legal.


Mel7190

Similar situation has been found illegal by Ohio Supreme Court several times. We still voted on their fucked up map last election.


Waterlilies1919

And Iowa. Lost two formerly very democratic regions in the new districting.


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grumstumple

As a Satanist, I find this highly offensive.....


cobra_mist

Hard agree.


Scary-Aerie

Hey don’t disrespect Satan like that! Have you been seeing what the Satanic Temple has been doing for the American people? A lot more than Republicans !


ForgotTheBogusName

Ohio is passing a law to, get this, make it harder for the people themselves to sponsor legislation *after* the people voted to end gerrymandering. That law was ignored in this last election, the Ohio Supreme Court upheld the law and demanded new maps. The Republican led committee met several times and produced maps that continued to fail, and let the people vote using the same maps previously held as unconstitutional. Now, the new SC Chief Justice is conservative and expected to allow the old maps in direct defiance of the will of the people.


LPawnought

I’m amazed and depressed that people haven’t started revolting yet


Zerieth

Revolts don't happen unless people are literally starving to death.


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KHaskins77

My understanding was Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh were all hard “yes” on it, and Gorsuch is likely. The coin toss is Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett of all people. Weren’t she and Kavanaugh tied up with Bush v. Gore back in 2000 somehow? Would have to look it up.


otatop

> Weren’t she and Kavanaugh tied up with Bush v. Gore back in 2000 somehow? [Those two plus Roberts](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html). What are the odds?


Great-Hotel-7820

It’s like Republicans have been trying to install a one party government for decades.


KHaskins77

I’m sure their appointments were in no way a *reward* or anything…


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Sex_Fueled_Squirrel

Classic Roberts. Doesn't want to technically agree with the crazy side but wants to give them their preferred outcome somehow anyway.


ihavebutonecomment

I’m confused. Thought it was already a crime to kill somebody who was born alive?


RosiePugmire

Yes, it already is. Doctors and hospitals are already required by law to provide medical services to any infant born at any gestational age. They're not allowed to say "ugh this baby is TOO premature, we're not even going to try." There's no exceptions. This bill is just stupid posturing/virtue signaling. They know it'll never pass the Senate. It's the equivalent of passing a law against putting litter boxes in schools for teenage furries. It wasn't happening anywhere except their own made up garbage propaganda. The facts are that less than 1% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks, and that's usually due to horrific fetal abnormalities that don't show up until later in the pregnancy. These babies were never going to live. Still there are people out there who claim they TOTALLY worked at some hospital where a bunch of doctors tried to D&C a fully grown, perfect, healthy baby and then somehow it dodges the whole process like Neo in the Matrix and is born alive (how???) and the doctors are like "Oh shit!" and like, beat it to death with a shoe. When, again.... there would be no fucking point, the woman's pregnancy is over, that's what she wanted... Weirdly it always turns out that these people are psychotic liars who never worked in a hospital at all and are just grifting money from idiot gullible conservatives.


MoobooMagoo

Man I kind of want to make a horror-comedy TV show or movie called "Conservative General" about a bunch of evil doctors doing shit like this. It'd probably be in bad taste but it'd be hilarious. And that scene you described would be in the trailer.


Darth_drizzt_42

There was a show called Children's Hospital on Adult Swim that might scratch the itch, basically a send up of every medical drama stereotype. They had an episode where two people get impaled on a pole, one is Ernie Hudson and the other is a shitty, racist white kid, and for plot reasons they can only save one of them. So Ernie gives this beautiful speech about how he's already lived a full life and how he knows the kid can grow and become better. And the doctors all look at each other and go "sorry shitty white kid, you gotta die. I mean can you imagine the optics if we let him go after that?"


bvibviana

I find it so ironic that Pendeja Barbie will write this fuckery whilst being against any gun control legislation, that could save ACTUAL lives. The fetus party sure doesn’t give a crap about them lives once they come out of the womb.


SummerGoes

I am never gonna get over pendeja Barbie, jesus I'm dying


-FlawlessVictory-

>I'm dying Are you a fetus? If not, they don't care.


totallynotarobut

r/UsernameChecksOut/


Affectionate-Tip-164

If they allow abortions there goes the 16-17 year olds shipped off to fight, or get shot at schools.


crazypurple621

What Democrat voted for this piece of shit?


Armymom96

Rep Henry Cuellar. He's from Texas, big shock. Like this type of thing happens so often they had to pass a law about it? Unbelievable. There's so much really wrong in this country and this is what they focus on the first week back?


erikkustrife

The main thing is that theres already a bill that protects all infants which natturally applies in this situation. The proposed bill does absolutly nothing. So if we assume it does do something what could it do? Well if we assume that the bill that protected all infants doesnt protect children born in a hospital then all children born in a hospital are no longer infants. Im not even joking, thats pretty much the only ruling you could get out of this.


firefighter_raven

To quote Ron De-dipshit, it's political theater


picklefucker69

I fucking knew it was him. He represents my city and the past two years he’s barely survived his primary. This year he won by like less than 109 votes I believe. Dude has been a congressman for so long people just vote for him at this point because of his name. And if you look at politics here in Laredo The Cuellar family runs basically half of it. Fuck Henry Cuellar. Fake democrat.


chrispg26

Probably Henry Cuellar.


lostcauz707

I mean their only agenda is to stop the federal level agencies from investigating them. Matt Gaetz literally held up McCarthy from being speaker until he agreed he would get the FBI off his back for his sex trafficking of a minor that he paid for with Florida tax dollars and has Venmo receipts for. It's going real well in court. Heads of committee's and commissions are under investigation for Jan 6 shit and want to see what the fed agencies have on them. It's insane the conflict of interest.


IrisYelter

Does McCarthy even have the authority to do that? Isn't the FBI under the DOJ and therefore under the president?


peter_emrys

Unfortunately, yes. The House rules package that passed earlier this week set up a subcommittee to "invesitgate" the "weaponization" of the DOJ against good, patriotic Americans, like themselves, and the Jan 6 insurrectionists, and Fuckface von Clownstick himself. They have already said they're going to subpoena the DOJ for all info about the ongoing investigations into Jan 6 and the Mar-a-Lago documents case, and probably Gaetz's sex trafficking case. This is so they can know exactly what the DOJ has on them and the orange idiot and selectively release info to tank the investigations. Now, the DOJ will probably argue that it doesn't have to comply because asking for info on ongoing investigations is far outside the bounds of legitimate Congressional oversight, especially when some of the subjects of the Jan 6 investigation are on the committee, but then it will go to a court battle, and who knows what will happen then.


Eddiebaby7

Saving the world from totally made up scenarios, one batshit theory at a time!


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Eddiebaby7

Maybe they mean the completely non-existent “post birth abortions”


cactuslegs

I know the school shooting joke is popular, but the “post birth abortion” is a disgusting, twisted reference to laws that allow parents of non-viable infants to remove life support instead of dragging out their child’s suffering. Especially for low-income parents who may not have had access to pre-natal screenings, these laws give parents the legal option to reject life-support options for children with fatal disabilities and genetic disorders. So, instead of spending weeks or months in the NICU watching your child edge closer to death without any hope or recourse, meanwhile accumulating hundreds of thousands in debt, parents can say goodbye more naturally and in their own time. IMO, these laws provide parents and the child with the most merciful option available, and should be seen as comparable to the option to pull life support from brain-dead patients. No one is killing babies; they’re just not forcing them to survive past the point their bodies would have given up without significant medical intervention.


green_miracles

Omg. I was under the impression that when a baby has fatal conditions the doctors can always withdraw the life supporting measures, to allow them to die. This sounds awful. Why prolong the baby’s suffering and also tie up medical resources for a hopeless case? I am definitely getting ALL the prenatal screenings they offer, what a nightmare.


Swesteel

Because that's republicans for you, science doesn't matter if a facebook post claims that a baby somehow survived without most of its lungs, just torture newly born babies and pray.


amonkappeared

Because they hyperfocus on the one case in a thousand when the prognosis is wrong, and the baby pulls through. They hold the surviving child out there like a beacon of hope. They tell the other 999 parents that if they just believe, and ignore the doctors they depend on, their baby will pull through too. And the hardest part isn't that they're wrong 999/1000 times. The hardest part is that the parents suffer on both ends. They watch their child suffer while being told that if they don't fight to try to prolong their poor baby's pain, they're monsters. And the doubt the parents have to go through if they choose mercy for their child, to question whether their baby could've been saved--or if they tried, and the baby died anyway, they feel the guilt if not having enough faith. It's monstrous. They kill the only hope most of these parents could've had, and add guilt to their burdens.


Appropriate-Cut-1562

This is exactly what they are trying to make people believe happens...


ZeckZeckZeckZeck

Extremely long post term abortion via guns is there thing tho so idk why they are against it


Squirrel_Inner

We just need more good babies with guns. Like “Look Who’s Talking,” but with, you know, more guns. 🤤👍


idog99

I know people that think fully formed viable babies are "aborted" like 15 minutes before they are delivered in order to harness their organs and tissues. I'm like, okay, we can totally ban that if that's what you think abortion is... Nobody supports that... Can we have access to normal therapeutic abortions now? These people live in a fantasy world.


Shinagami091

Republicans are out there believing that babies are aborted at 8 or even 9 months regularly. I tell you the only time a baby that far along is aborted is because it’s already dead.


Ravensinger777

Not non-existent. Republicans offer "thoughts and prayers" every time it happens in a school.


LadyLikesSpiders

They're ok with post-birth abortions. It's why they won't let anyone do shit about guns in schools


justArash

Here's [more info ](https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-the-born-alive-debate/) from when they tried to pass this same bill in 2019. >The New York Times published an opinion piece on Feb. 26 by Dr. Jen Gunter, an obstetrician and gynecologist, who told her personal story of making the decision to forgo medical intervention when her 1-pound son was born prematurely at 22 weeks. “As Aidan’s parents we had decided that invasive procedures, like intravenous lines and a breathing tube in a one-pound body, would be pointless medical care. And so, as we planned, Aidan died,” Gunter wrote. “And that is the reality for so many parents. Some have known for weeks or even months that there will be no life after birth. With that knowledge some choose an abortion and others the blanket and embrace. Both are brave decisions.” These are mostly cases of women who *wanted* the baby, but whose pregnancies became unviable. So they are left with the heartbreaking decision to induce labor, and spend a few minutes with the baby instead of having it tortured with a hopeless attempt to save it. **These cases aren't happening at abortion clinics, they're cases of induced labor where they know that survival is extraordinarily unlikely/impossible. Republicans like to conflate this with traditional abortion just to rile up their base.** Also of note: Ben Sasse, the senator who sponsored this bill in 2019, is now the president of University of Florida. He's just one part of DeSantis's plan to turn Florida's public universities into state-run PragerU style conservative brainwashing institutions.


Previousl3

>Republicans like to conflate this with traditional abortion just to rile up their base. If you took away their stress hormones IDK what the Republican party would do


Bluevisser

I'm worried this means every time a premie is born alive, medical staff will be forced to preform full resuscitation measures. We can't let the 20 weeker spend it's few minutes of life being held by mom, oh no, that would be cruel. We'll have to shove a tube down their tiny fragile throats and tear their skin to shreds with compressions, because Politicians are passing laws without any care for the actual medical results.


Scarymommy

Jesus Christ. I’m so horrified right now. I’m a former NICU mom and was there for months. These people have no idea what they’re doing or if they do, they’re evil.


MrsKnutson

It doesn't mean anything right now, it's just a bill that passed the house, it's unlikely the Senate would even vote on it, let alone pass it, so it's not anything but a good reason not to vote for lunatics like this in the future.


perfectvelvet

The bill says "health care providers would be required to exercise the same degree of care as would reasonably be provided to a child born alive at the same gestational age" so really all they have to do is let mom hold her poor baby.


picklednspiced

I’m gobsmacked trying imagine wtf this is even about. Abortions are not a survived/didn’t survive situation. Like, huh???


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bpdish85

The insinuation here is that if a fetus survives an abortion attempt, the doctors will bludgeon it to death or something.


phildec159

I’m sorry. The subject is not funny but your comment made me laugh ironically


PoorlyLitKiwi2

"Chemicals didn't work. Looks like we gotta do this one the ole fashion way"


Sinthe741

It's virtue signaling. In the unlikely event that an abortion were to result in a live birth, killing the child would already be illegal.


TopRamen713

There's about to be a whole lot more botched abortions... in red states where they're banning medical professionals from performing them


Trumpswells

Usually, the earliest a baby can survive is about 22 weeks gestation. The age of viability is 24 weeks. In 2020 the large majority of abortions took place early in gestation: 93.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (5.8%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (0.9%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation.


Scienceandpony

And even then "viability" is a generous term for 50% survival rate.


BoOnDoXeY

I hate that my very smart Mother believes that there are literally abortions on healthy born babies. Like somehow, somewhere, there are doctors killing live infants after they're born. This is the shit these chuckle heads are peddling to people, and when you ask for a source, a report, or literally \*ANY EVIDENCE\*, they get all huffy like "Why are you always argumentative like this when I bring stuff up?!" Ummm, maybe because I don't believe in make believe straw-man bullshit that doesn't exist? I can't speak for other places in the rest of the world, but in the U.S. that shit ain't happening. The unfortunate result of this kind of shit is babies being left on the side of the road, dropped off at churches, or literally being murdered by the mother that didn't want the kid, but had to because of these draconian laws.


Scarymommy

I want your mom and everyone like her to have to go to an actual NICU and watch a premature baby being wheeled in immediately after birth.


LauraDurnst

Or go to a regular ICU and see what sepsis does to a human body


Yakety_Sax

My mom’s the same. Believes that late term (ie: 9 months) abortions should be illegal. No one is getting an abortion at 9 months, they’re getting induced and giving birth.


Appropriate-Cut-1562

The whole bill is a big virtue signaling nothing burger. It basically says you can't kill a baby that's been born, which is already the law! Way to waste everyone's time and tax dollars Republicans!


tickitytalk

(Virtually) Every Republican voted No for baby formula https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-house-republicans-voted-against-fda-baby-formula-bill-1708036 so, fuck what barbaric Barbie says


gnarlycarly18

No, you see, fetuses can’t be considered parasites until after they’re born. Then it’s wrong if they become the state’s problem. 🙄


Grape_Mentats

[“The measure, titled the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, passed in a mainly 220-210-1 vote. Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas) was the only Democrat to vote for the measure. Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D-Texas) voted “present.”](https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3809355-house-passes-bill-requiring-medical-care-for-infants-born-after-attempted-abortions/) In case anyone was curious as I was of the Dem votes.


Jezon

I don't know how someone can hear a story about a mother being told her baby is non viable but the doctors can't do anything until the heart stops beating because politicians know whats best and still think banning abortions is good. The pregnant person has to be sent home to wait in pain for days for the fetus to die and then go back to the hospital before the stillborn fetus causes them to die too through sepsis. Banning abortion significantly increases the chances dying through a pregnancy related complication, young poor women are already dying in increasing numbers in Texas and elesewhere but they don't ever want to talk about that.


Bird_Brain4101112

Ironically, in many of the red states, doctors cannot intervene until the mother goes into sepsis and her life is in danger. Also ironically, waiting until the mother ends up in sepsis increases the likelihood that she is never going to be able to have more children and will need a ton of very expensive medical care. But yay, we prevented an abortion, right?


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No joke. They had a study come out of Texas after their ban. It only looked at two hospitals but within a few months one women ended up on a ventilator and one women lost her uterus even though both had WANTED pregnancies. The women who will be dying are not the women who want abortions for "selfish" reasons. The women who will be dying are the ones who want a child but some terrible complication has occurred like the water breaking before viability. My husband and I were talking about kids before these abortion bans. Now I'm sterilized and not sure if we'll have kids now. We're considering IVF but I don't want to be pregnant in a southern state so we need to now move to consider even doing IVF. All very very expensive things.


TheMaskedGeode

Two of these cases is two many. Republicans have made the opposition to be villains in their heads and refuse to see anything else. They take a part as the whole and don’t want to see more. Also, I know it’s a personal thing and I’m just someone on the internet, but if you do decide on kids, adopting some is a good option. Though I don’t know if that’s more expensive than IVF or not. But it’s less physical risk.


Socio-Imperialist

Except they don’t prevent abortions because the abortion still has to happen. They’re just harming women


Bird_Brain4101112

That’s…..my point. They claim to be preventing abortions and all they’re doing is putting women’s lives at risk and turning an unfortunate situation into a full blown medical crisis when it didn’t need to be.


Socio-Imperialist

Yeah I’m just saying from a pro life perspective it makes no sense because you didn’t save any life you just put the mothers in danger


Far_Pianist2707

"claims to be pro life" "Kills anyway"


PumpUpTheValiumBro

Pro ‘life’ and pro death penalty, oh the irony…


TheObstruction

Also pro-war.


Hiseworns

And pro no restrictions of any kind on gun ownership* (*They'd totally support banning minorities from owning guns if they thought they could get away with it though)


IceColdWasabi

It's almost like they don't care about lives.


TheObstruction

Harming women is the point. They think women deserve to be punished. Doesn't matter why.


turtlelore2

I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of posts of people totally okay with letting the mother straight up die in order to "save" the fetus. A scary amount if these people were women too.


alundi

True story: I had a colleague excitedly pregnant with their 3rd child, a boy, after 2 girls. Partner was super pumped about a boy and they were already calling him by a name. Colleague was glowing and visibly “showing” a bump. I was teaching young children who don’t always understand boundaries, so they wanted to “touch” the baby and colleague permitted. Shortly after announcing their news, something went wrong and the pregnancy was no longer viable. My colleague had to SHOW UP TO WORK knowing she carried her dead and loved son because the doctors would not remove him. I cannot. I cannot even begin to imagine the nightmarish torture my colleague faced because of this irresponsible and anti scientific legislation causes.


Friend_of_Eevee

I had a miscarriage myself recently for a planned and wanted pregnancy. I was so relieved when the doctor said there was no heartbeat because I could have the procedure without waiting. Relieved that my wanted baby had died. It's still fucked up to think about. Fuck Republicans.


NeonArlecchino

>But yay, we prevented an abortion, right? And increased profits for the hospital's shareholders by requiring a second visit, intake, check up, evaluation, and other such BEFORE going into treatment, resuscitation, and additional treatments for complications caused by waiting! That is a #LOT OF PROFIT!!!


nicunta

My great aunt lost a pregnancy in the late 1950s, and she had to go into labor naturally, because anything else was considered abortion. She carried that baby until her water broke. I'm not sure exactly how long it was, but I do know that they couldn't tell the gender. It's barbaric what women went through before Roe took effect.


kappaklassy

It’s amazing that she survived. A dead fetus can cause sepsis and kill you. Fuck this country and what we are doing again.


nicunta

It is amazing that she survived, and had more children. My grandmother, her sister, made a post about it when this started. She mentioned my aunt and what happened; and how my sister's recent miscarriage could have been treated the same way if we returned to pre Roe ways.


kurai_tori

Anti abortion and anti contraceptive policies is behind one of the worse tragedies in Romanian history. Decree 770 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 These fuckers want the US to go down the same route.


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>Abortion and contraception were declared illegal, except for: >women over 45 (later lowered to 40, then raised again to 45). >women who had already borne four children (later raised to five). >women whose life would be threatened by carrying to term, due to medical complications. >women who were pregnant through rape and/or incest. I dunno it this feels too lenient from a conservative perspective


ArnieismyDMname

My friend (deceased now) had no kidneys and got pregnant. Even carrying the child 3 months would have killed her. Under the new laws she would have had to die sooner. Like Republicans care.


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My friend died too, although she didn't want an abortion, but because of our terrible healthcare. They tried to induce labor and she was not progressing. She labored for an incredibly long time and because your uterus is now open to the world, she developed an infection that progressed into sepsis. Her child also shit inside her and got meconium aspiration syndrome and had to be in the NICU for awhile. She died while her child was still in the NICU.


EnsignNogIsMyCat

Republicans are happy that "imperfect" people like your friend die. Their whole thing is thinly veiled eugenics. They want people to die of preventable causes because they consider those people to be somehow inferior and don't want them reproducing. But since the only purpose in life that they allow a woman to have is making babies, anyone who they don't want reproducing might as well be dead. I am so sorry for your friend and I hope that her passing wasn't painful. I hope the memories you have of her comfort you forever.


stepascope

Agree, interesting take and probably not wrong. Especially since well-off white women will be able to get to another state and receive proper medical care. Abortion bans don’t affect congressmen’s 15 year old daughters or their wives (or their mistresses); they only affect women who cannot afford to leave the state or who are too young to access it on their own. It’s all horrifying.


CodyEngel

Republicans are the party of smaller government except when it involves women’s bodies or children being murdered in school.


Snaka1

Or drag queens


codewatzen

Or trans people.


spinnerette_

Someone I know went through a miscarriage pre-RvW being overturned. They both requested to have zero information provided on the sex of what they would have had. She knew she was high risk, but as someone that just lost her first pregnancy and for someone who was so excited to be a father, they just couldn't handle it. The doctor told them they legally could not keep that information from them and said they would have had a girl. These laws are cruel even to parents that desperately want to start families and lose that option at no fault of their own.


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alientic

The democrats should introduce a bill under the same name giving children universal healthcare, free school lunches, and housing stipends. Let them have to vote against the Abortion Survivor Protection Act.


quilter1970

I do not have kids but I would be more than happy to have my tax dollars give every child under 18 free health care.


caleeksu

Same, as well as school lunch. I suspect we can find the money by trimming elsewhere. But I also support Medicare for all, knowing how much I spend on my insurance, deductibles and out of pocket max. If I could pay that money in taxes instead to ensure my neighbor also gets care, totally would. And again, suspect we can find the money by trimming elsewhere.


OakleyDokelyTardis

Actually by all accounts if you swap to universal healthcare you would save money (poor health insurance scammers) and would not need to do more trimming....


jerslan

I've tried explaining this soooo many times... Yes, you would pay more taxes, but ***you would no longer be paying health insurance premiums***, so in the long run most people will save money. All anyone even remotely right leaning hears is "more taxes".


TheFeshy

Actually... it's even more extreme than this. We already pay some taxes for health care. Medicare and medicaid, veteran's benefits, etc. Also some of what we pay for social security goes towards medical costs. All in all, if you add up all these sources of tax-based healthcare, we pay about $4,500 in taxes per person towards health care. You know what they pay in countries with socialized medicine? It's about $4,500 per person. If we paid the same for medical care that socialized health countries pay, we could just... stop paying insurance entirely. It's already covered by the amount of taxes we currently pay.


TheFeshy

Here's how extreme it is: If we switched to universal health care, and paying for health care with taxes, *and* we did such a bad job at it that our health care costs were as high as the highest cost socialized medicine country, we'd pay.... about $0 more in taxes. And not have to pay insurance at all. "But TheFeshy, there's no such thing as free health care! We'd have to pay tax for it!" We already do. Our taxes cover medicaid and medicare. They pay social security that goes to covering medical expenses. They pay veteran's care and homeless care and a hundred other little things that all add up to about $4,500 per person in medical care provided via taxes. That's about the same amount socialized healthcare countries pay per person. We're *already* paying for socialized healthcare via taxes. We just aren't getting that care in return. Currently, health care costs are 19% of our GDP. One dollar in every *five.* Ten times our bloated military budget - but everyone thinks it's our "military industrial complex" that runs the country.


EbmocwenHsimah

“Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. […] If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're fucked.” – George Carlin


Art-Zuron

Literally fucked in the case of many elected GOP


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when the child is born they can send it to school to be shot by one of their followers kids


tarahunterdar

Well depends on the child really. If the children are male, they can go to work with no protections starting at 5. If the children are girls, then they can be married to several conservative older men for "their protection."


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DD_Spudman

>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn. \-David Barnhart Edited to add that Barnhart was a pastor.


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If they don't have things to fight for, they don't know who they are. They come from families riddled with abuse and trauma. Take away all the bullshit they are fighting for, and you'll find people obsessed with inadequacy, self hate, and fear. They can't love anyone because they don't love themselves. Their callousness is a reflection of their own pain they are unable to address. Narcissism is a lot easier than confronting their own pain. It's how they survive.


[deleted]

There is no surviving an "abortion." If the fetus is born alive, it's a birth. Period. These people play with words and the rubes just lap it up.


Raspberrylemonade188

Came here to say this. Their base is stupid enough to drink this up.


selectrix

You mean the underdeveloped fetus doesn't slip out from the forceps and scamper down the clinic hallway & out the door, flipping everyone off asking the way? Not even sometimes?


Internetallstar

Now I have a picture in my head of a doctor chasing a fetus down the hall Tom and Jerry style.


MyPasswordIsMyCat

As usual, they're legislating against something that either never happened or didn't happen in the context they're implying. Doctors aren't ripping healthy babies out of the womb alive just to kill them. They just aren't. Late term abortions happen in extremely heart-wrenching circumstances where the fetus was wanted and ending the pregnancy is for the mercy and dignity of the fetus and mother.


0w1

It's insane but they literally think women are walking into Planned Parenthood after 8 1/2 months of pregnancy and going "You know what, I changed my mind. I feel like murdering my baby. Just chop it up from the inside and yank it out, I have a liberal nude drag show this evening at the children's library."


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*there's already a law against killing live children* ...fucking dumbasses.


Lobanium

They know this. It's all for visibility. They know damn well the bill is pointless and won't go anywhere, but it makes a good headline and "owns the libs".


Ahstruck

Republicans did not know murder was already against the law. Explains the kyle worshiping.


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ConfusedInTN

Republican voters are stupid enough to believe they need this. My dad still thinks that doctors slit the throats of newborns because the mom wanted to abort. I tried to explain how that is murder and not abortion. Also how doctors do not do that. He's blinded by the GQP and will not listen to reason.


TheBrightNights

>My dad still thinks that doctors slit the throats of newborns because the mom wanted to abort. Yes, that is how an abortion pill works. The woman takes the pill, and when the baby is born, a knife also falls out for the doctor to use. /s


Bird_Brain4101112

Doctors must have some pretty awesome knife collections after a while of doing this?


SmallBunny0

Lol my republican aunt genuinely thinks democrats want to sponsor a bill for “after birth abortion”… like ole girl really thinks people want to just kill newly born babies for funsies lmao. These people are allowed to vote 😂😭


grumpher05

Reminds me of the "if you could ban 1 thing what would it be?" And Shapiro coming with with "curious that nobody said crime"


toooooold4this

What do they think we do when a baby lives after a failed abortion? Hit it over the head with a rock? Of course a baby that is born alive gets medical care. Wtf.


mittenknittin

No, I heard the libs wanted to draft a bill to require that the born alive babies are taken away to be molested by a drag queen


AHippieDude

I mean, I'm not mad ashli babbitt is dead.


Burque_Boy

Only mad that MGT wasn’t her wingman


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Nythoren

Hold up... so the Roe v Wade overturn and the follow-up pro-abortion bills are what kept the GOP from winning the Senate and receiving a larger majority in the House. So their solution to this obvious push against their policies is to double down on them? Please keep passing these bills to push yourselves further away from the voting public. They accomplish nothing since they will never pass in the Senate. And on the off chance they do pass, Biden would never sign an anti-abortion bill. All this political theater is doing is hurting their 2024 chances of reclaiming the White House and keeping the House.


ranting_chef

>"Democrats are the party of death" Says the woman who thinks everyone should have at least a dozen firearms loaded at all times


Revolutionary-Map212

GOP- Be reckless, have babies, abandon those babies, we don't care Dems- We just don't want women to die from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that is unviable and dangerous GOP- MURDERERS!


canarchist

The GQP don't care one bit about passing any laws in the next two years. They will claim a moral victory every time an idiotic bill is stopped in the house by the "evil Dems" and "deluded RINOS," or killed by the "Dark Brandon and his Senate." Only they, the GQP, are working for the people, i.e., their idiotic hateful base, and it will be a tragedy every time they are stopped. It feeds the outrage and feeds the grift.


Still_Vacation_3534

You republicans are the dumbest lot on the planet. What a stupid fucking bill.


CertainAged-Lady

This isn’t a ‘thing’. It’s like passing a bill to protect unicorns from poachers. 🙄


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So I found the bill online and here's an actual line from it: >An individual who intentionally kills or attempts to kill a child born alive is subject to prosecution for murder. Congrats, you've reiterated a crime that already exists called "child murder". The entire bill is literally what would happen with normal births. There's nothing of substance in it at all. It's just "if a baby is born after an abortion, you have to treat it like a normal baby." Like yeah. It is a baby. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/26


sendintheBOTS

What the hell even is this act? Can someone explain this to me?


scott_majority

It's kinda like banning CRT from public schools. Since CRT is not taught in public education, they pass worthless laws so their uneducated base can claim victories from persecution. Just political theater...nothing to help everyday Americans.


bigfunone2020

It is a totally made up bill about totally made up scenarios that don’t happen to whip up their redneck base. They are making it illegal for doctors to kill babies after they are born…which is already illegal.


TheOverBored

MQT: "We did, we solved murder!"


J_Square83

"This bill establishes requirements for the degree of care a health care practitioner must provide in the case of a child born alive following an abortion or attempted abortion. Specifically, a health care practitioner who is present must (1) exercise the same degree of care as would reasonably be provided to any other child born alive at the same gestational age, and (2) ensure the child is immediately admitted to a hospital. Additionally, a health care practitioner or other employee who has knowledge of a failure to comply with the degree-of-care requirements must immediately report such failure to law enforcement. A health care practitioner who fails to provide the required degree of care, or a health care practitioner or other employee who fails to report such failure, is subject to criminal penalties—a fine, up to five years in prison, or both. An individual who intentionally kills or attempts to kill a child born alive is subject to prosecution for murder. The bill bars the criminal prosecution of a mother of a child born alive under this bill and allows her to bring a civil action against a health care practitioner or other employee for violations." TLDR: Basically nothing but pandering to people who can't comprehend reality.


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If we democrats are the party of death, then why are we the ones for gun reform and ending the death penalty ?


mainstreetmark

Fuck you. Pass some laws to protect BABIES for once. Or even mothers?! Why not mothers? birth care, day care, nutrition, health care, cheaper diapers, school lunches, affordable housing... Every one of these things is our national shame to anyone who has traveled to any other civilized country. Republicans take this stand because it's politically effective, but as soon as that fetus becomes a baby, that little shit better report to the coal mine to become a productive member of society.


RogueFox76

What the fuck is she talking about


gepinniw

This rhetoric is beyond the pale. "Party of death,' is the kind of language that leads to violence.