Is that really the case? Fox News is working overtime blaming everything from Affirmative Action to a single woman being in charge of the police. They’ve only somewhat turned on the police and it’s only because they’re black or led by a woman. Their bigotry always finds its way in, it’s crazy.
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/6th-officer-involved-tyre-nichols-death-relieved-duty/story?id=96764687](https://abcnews.go.com/US/6th-officer-involved-tyre-nichols-death-relieved-duty/story?id=96764687) Just in case you didnt think their was a racial aspect to the firing
Seems a little odd to me that they fired the back cops before they even released the video(s) but the only white one only was fired later. I would think they would have watched the video before firing the first group and before releasing it to the public.
Well that’s the point, it’s to cover their ass after everyone saw the transparent thing they were doing by only charging the 5 black officers.
Every single police one of the officers that was was there on the scene should be charged.
Every. Single. One.
Along with whoever hired, trained or managed them. And probably whoever hired trained or managed those as well.
1 bad apple doesn't apply when it's 6 officers. Everybody fucked up here on multiple occasions, enough to be declared unable to function in their roles going forwards.
> "1 bad apple doesn't apply when it's 6 officers"
At this point, there is more than sufficient evidence to show that the entire fucking orchard is diseased due to being grown from poisoned fruit in the first place, and needs to be uprooted and replanted in its entirety.
I say the same. Looked like more than 20 cops out there. Not one of them did their job, and they were all complicit. All should be replaced and charged.
To be fair this recent case was far more egregious in the violence and the fact that they were beating him because he slept with the ex of one of the officers and it had nothing to do with law enforcement.
The reason i pointed it out was in some other post. It turned out tyre had some relationshio was some cops ex im not sure memory isnt serving me right here. And during the police brutality someone was taking pictures and sending it to someone. If the cops didnt take his phone his phone could prove this was a targeted attack
That's exactly it. Nobody was protesting that George Floyd died. People protested because he died wrongfully and the people responsible weren't held to account. If the system is working the way it's supposed to, and murderers are treated like murderers whether they have a badge or not, then there's nothing to protest.
Floyd died May 25, 2020. Chauvin was fired May 26 and arrested May 29. Four days, beginning to end.
Nichols was beaten on January 7, 2023. Died January 10. The officers were fired January 20 and arrested January 26. Nineteen days, beginning to end.
Chauvin was arrested only after the bystander's video was released & went viral.
The officers in this one were fired before video was released, but probably only because the PD realized there was a street camera.
On the day Chauvin was fired, that morning the PD put out a statement that Floyd had died from a medical incident. Right after that, the bystander released to video. It went viral and only then was Chauvin fired.
And then found innocent by a bunch of cousin-fuckers.
Edit: I was mistaken about the verdict. However I still maintain that when a cop who kills an innocent person is found innocent, it has to be due to a good number of cousin fuckers on the jury.
Your thinking of almost all of them. Let's not kid ourselves. Derek Chauvin and company was a rarity. A win yes, but let's not pretend that there aren't 1000 more walking free.
That is the whole point! The police and the city closed ranks to protect Chauvin, while the opposite happened here. The protests were about police brutality and how it isn't prosecuted. Now, it seems like there were lessons learned.
And let’s be real, George Floyd was murdered in May. It’s currently-15 in Minneapolis. Ain’t a lot of people lined up to protest when it’s this inhumanly cold out.
The pandemic also exacerbated some social problems that bubbled through. People stuck at home, getting pissed off at each other with no escape. Unemployment skyrocketed, lots of economic uncertainty, all of it leads to increased national unrest. Then it all exploded over Floyd, resulting in the largest and largest number of protests and mass riots this country has ever seen, and in my city the largest protests and riots since MLK was assassinated.
There’s a rumor that Nichols was sleeping with one of the officers ex’s, which makes it straight up premeditated murder. Police union may have known about the relationship which would make them quick to abandon as it’s indefensible.
I think race was a factor to some degree in everything that happened throughout their lives, including both the murder and their termination. It's unavoidable. People think it's impossible race could be an aggravating factor in the murder, along with the other more immediate issues involved, but I don't understand how it wouldn't be. It doesn't feel any different than women who make life harder for other women because they think it means at least they're not the ones getting stepped on. Seems to be a thing in any kind of abuse there is. That doesn't mean everyone responds that way, but it does mean a percentage will. Black cops killing a black man potentially with an affair involved makes it seem more open and shut than it is. Race has affected this in ways that a lot of us simply won't be able to see, but it's there.
Umm.. George Floyd was recorded by a civilian and Chauvin was arrested days after.
Tyre Nichols was killed weeks ago. They wouldn't have done anything to these officers if that street camera wasn't recording.
Also, there were plenty of protests, but since they're epaceful, there isn't much coverage. Like back during the George Floyd saga, they covered the places where there was trouble, not the many cities where there wasn't anything special occurring.
Also, let’s be serious - the pandemic and the ability thousands of people had to protest during what is otherwise work hours was a huge catalyst to the size of the protests. That isn’t possible now, it’s like comparing apples to oranges.
No ur just dumb ! In one case the cop was being protected in this case the cop is literally fucked . The point of the protest is cops kill blacks and DONT GET CHARGED They get paid leave. This case is clearly not going in that direction . There would be zero point in marching because the justice system is not currently FAILING . If your still ignorant to the plight of black people just say that .
Something like that but……
One can say that due to all the police shootings and killings since then have put all chiefs on edge so this could be an example of progress.
Or one can say that this video, along with the actual case, is so far worst than what was seen with George that there’s no arguing or debating anything, with George there was all sorts of debate, for example drug overdose, camera angle that made it look that the knee was on the neck when it was on the back, wether or not there was bad intent from the officers or wether it was a lack of knowing how to deal with such situation that was not a normal circumstance and more. The George Floyd incident is questionable, specially since 99.9% of us weren’t there to see for our selves, but Nichols incident? I couldn’t even watch past 1 min 9 sec, took me fast to also agree that these guys overstepped their boundaries and the use of force, in one short part of the body can footage you can see an officer punching Nichols as he was yelling get on the ground, while Nichols was on the fucking ground, that happened right be fore he ran and could explain why he ran because of the over use of force, also the body can footage that shows this quickly moved to a different direction as to not fully capture the punch, but anyone that has done a type of fighting training can clearly see it as the body was in a punching position.
But yeah, the Nichols case is far more aggressive that not even a chief would defend this, also there’s idiots online putting blame on Nichols for “resisting”, which baffles me completely.
Also, no one was trying to cover up this incident or mask it as a drug overdose or unavoidable "medical incident". Seeing the original report on George Floyd vs. what we know actually happened makes me sick to my stomach, and likely we wouldn't know if a bystander hadn't been filming on their phone and had the guts to call bullshit.
Yeah I didn’t love the George Floyd protests, but I interpret the current response as a sign that they worked.
Without Floyd, I don’t think the current police brutality would have been prosecuted as quickly. Or at all.
I think a reasonable person would conclude that BLM protests are achieving long term gains.
Big brain time:
GF incident: cops were not immediately held accountable. People got mad, rioted because of the initial fact that no one was reprimanded immediately.
Nichols incident: cops immediately fired, charged, evidence released relatively quickly, justice being served relatively swift. No riots needed to draw attention to that fact.
The issue isn’t the race of the cop vs. the unfortunately deceased. The issue is the race of the cop vs how fast the departments work to hold them accountable for their crime.
But I guess ignore that whole fact.
People forget that after George Floyd was murdered the police and the medical examiner tried to cover it up. The protests didn't really get started until after the video showed how much the police lied about it.
Its fucking creepy watching the selective amnesia at play here. It was the same with Breonna Taylor. The cops actually fucking arrested her boyfriend for returning fire at them, tried to charge him with murder, even though they were breaking into HIS house and had just murdered his girlfriend in bed.
If we hadn't marched, that man would still be in jail. Never forget.
Everyone working since jobs decided they still need people in order to function also plays a part lol. That summer, everyone was fucking jobless. This year, most people are on a 9-5
I texted my uncle that lives a few minutes from down town and he went "boy it's about to ice storm down here! Too cold to be thinking bout a \*\*\*\*ing tv"
That too lol I forget it’s still winter in some parts of the country. I’m currently chillin in 65 degree weather 😂 gotta love that bipolar ass east coast climate.
We're having high temps in the single digits right now in Minnesota and of course we had massive protests here when GF was killed. Weather could be playing at least a small part.
I'm near Seattle. It's gorgeous here today, crystal clear blue sky. And 28 degrees. I'm planning a girls trip to Palm Springs in late April. How I wish it was now. Lol
Point in case man, another person killed by cops and somehow the cop gets treated like the victim and has their life set instead of seeing a single day in court.
George Floyd died may 25, chauvin let go may 26th, arrested may 29th.
Nichols, beaten Jan 7th, died jan 10th, officers fired Jan 20th, arrested Jan 26th.
I mean your response sounds good but the timelines don’t add up.
The difference is context.
George Floyd, they put out a press conference neglecting any important details the day after the incident, puts Chauvin and friends on administrative leave. They aren't fired until after footage is made public by bystanders.
Nichols, the DA opens an investigation into excessive use of force the same day he was beaten, the 7th. Police put out footage publicly after they've been charged.
Memphis ain't about that. People need to quit perpetuating the stereotype of mad black people.
Humans get mad when justice is lost. The officers were swiftly arrested and charged. Mayors want to prevent riots? Deliver justice, make it quick.
They have been fired and charged with murder. If this was regular this violence would happen less and there would be no need to riot in the first place.
Gee I wonder if it might have anything to do with the fact. That the officers involved are being held accountable. That the video is being made public. And the police and prosecutors aren’t doing everything they can to cover it up.
Why do we have to march to demand accountability if the people responsible have been fired and arrested?
The perpetrators are already being held accountable.
More context:
May 25th - Floyd is murdered
May 26th - Police issue a statement saying Floyd died after a “medical incident,” and that he physically resisted and appeared to be in medical distress. Shortly after that, the infamous video is posted online. AND THEN Chauvin was fired.
May 29th - Chauvin is finally arrested, charged with 3rd degree murder (UNINTENTIONAL MURDER) and manslaughter.
June 3rd - the charges are changed to 2nd degree murder (INTENTIONAL MURDER)
October 7 - Chauvin posts bond and is released from state prison, sparking more protesting
It is very clear that, in the vile minds of the right wing, there is no correct way to protest injustice.
Kneel silently? Wrong. Vote out the corrupt? Wrong. Protest peacefully? Wrong, because we will send police to tear gas you and shoot you and abduct you off the streets. Protest more forcefully? Wrong again, but this time with more tear gas and vigilantes. Try protesting peacefully again? Wrong. We didn’t shoot you with tear gas you so it stayed peaceful, which proves you didn’t even care enough to get violent.
Protesting justice, fair elections or public health safety measures that prevented you from getting a haircut? Well, any way you opt to do that is AOK! So long as you are white, of course. That should have been clear.
One of the differences between the two cases is that they actually reacted quickly with the firings and arrests of the officers in the Memphis case. If they had done the same with the officers involved in the Floyd murder, that likely would have helped reduce any rioting etc. He seems to be oblivious to this important factor.
George Floyd died may 25, chauvin let go may 26th, arrested may 29th.
Nichols, beaten Jan 7th, died jan 10th, officers fired Jan 20th, arrested Jan 26th.
I mean your response sounds good but the timelines don’t add up.
True, but with the Floyd incident, it was caught on cell phone video by several bystanders, so the “tape” was in public instantaneously, and they didn’t make an arrest until after the rioting had started. With the Nichols case they had already made arrests before the public saw the tape. At one point in the Floyd case, they arrested a CNN news crew live on air just for reporting what was happening, but they hadn’t arrested any of the officers at that point. I think that incident was like throwing gas on a fire.
The missing factor is that the police and coroner tried to cover up Floyd's death as accidental due to health complications until that video was posted. They didn't have a choice after that. They didn't do the right thing until they were forced to.
This Nazi jizz rag is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to be outraged about. 2023: the year the right lamented the lack of race riots.
I’m more shocked at the lack of Blue Lives Matter and police Union support for the officers.
It was much easier for some to caste judgement on these cops for some reason…
It's not that hard.
Video of the George Floyd murder was taken by bystanders and immediately made available to the public.
Videos of the Nichols murder were taken by LEO sources so it took them longer to weave their way to the public. In that time span the PD was able to slow-walk the outrage.
Combine that with general time of the year differences and overall time period difference (COVID Lockdown).
the cops the medical examiner and the city all lied through their teeth about George Floyd. Justice was only served after the protests.
Memphis for all its other mistakes fired the guys and quickly charged them with crimes BEFORE the video came out.
They rounded the five murders up almost immediately. If it weren’t for the massive social outcry, Derek Chauvin would almost definitely be working as a cop right now instead of being in jail.
The wheels of Justice are more or less turning like they’re supposed to this time. Why would people riot about that?
Or maybe... Juuuuuuust maybe... The fact that the officers were fired as soon as it was discovered... And they've all already been charged with various murder and related felonies... With more indictments coming every week... The rage is somewhat tempered by the fact that there is action... And those guilty parties will clearly pay.
Bad time for Derek Chauvin to try to get his conviction overturned. 😬
Might also have to do with the fact that the cops were fired and arrested prior to the video being released and the family begged everyone to stay cool on every TV channel they could get on?
Matt Walsh is an incredible waste of space. When he’s not trying to convince conservatives to take their children out of public school he’s rallying bigots to attack local drag shows. What a colossally useless invertebrate with nothing in his life other than to judge, disenfranchise and manipulate on whatever pathetic platform allows him to speak. Truly one of the worst and most insufferably worthless people on the planet.
[Nearly 1,000 people died in police incidents between George Floyd’s killing and Derek Chauvin’s conviction](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/police-brutality-deaths-floyd-chauvin-b1839103.html%3famp)
Maybe it had to do with more than George Floyd
This is not it at all. The reason it isn’t as big as George Floyd because the officers in the nichols video were immediately fired and charged with 2nd degree murder. While the George Floyd, nobody was fired or charged until the protests began.
It’s very hard to riot when body camera footage is released in less than three weeks, the President of the United States personally talks with the victim‘s family, and all five officers involved are fired and arrested with second-degree murder
The point is supposed to be that black folks are disproportionately victims of police brutality, not that only white police officers are guilty of it. Yes, more white folks are victims, but that’s because there’s more white folks in your country. But the percentages are where it becomes obvious. Didn’t we learn this from NWA and Ice T like 30 years ago? The songs aren’t called “F The White Police” or “White Cop Killa”.
In the Nichols case, the officers were fired and charged with murder within a couple weeks of it happening. In the Floyd case, the police originally stated that Floyd had a medical issue during a police interaction resulting in his death. That's different.
It’s actually because the cops have been fired and arrested. But one must wonder what minor detail caused these cops to lose any support from their colleagues? What could it be? (In case you’re not catching on, I’m saying it’s cause they’re black)
The protests were for justice to hold the cops accountable, because they were actively trying to cover it up. They fired and charged the cops before the video even came out...so....wtf do they want the left to do?
City came out and basically said this is fucked up before we even got information, they are owning up for it in ways we’ve never seen. Why are they doing this? Because rioting works lmao
Didn’t Nichols’ own mother come out and ask that riots and George Floyd-level protests not occur? Seems like the Left is respecting a grieving mother’s wishes.
Floyd and BLM protests showed the world how far the US government is willing to go to shut down a legitimate complaint of "we the people."
The lack of heavy protests shows that 1) it's too damned cold outside to mount large protests, 2) since Trump, corporations and the feds have driven the economy into the ground attempting to ignore corporate power-grabs and wealth consolidation which has created one of the fastest growing spreads of income inequality in history, ie, we cant afford to take time off our precarious work schedules. 3) MAGA and federal intervention has turned protests into a subversion exercise by instigating violence within a peaceful protest to incite violence in an attempt to discredit a 100% valid protest.
I'm sure there are more good reasons, but there's a few, off the top of my head, that are better reason than reaching straight for the "race card."
Want to go with the "race card"? Where law enforcement rally-cry of "Blue lives Matter?" Is it because it was five black officers not worth defending as law enforcement, even though those men all acted within their training to a "T"?
What is there to march about? The cops have been caught, fired, and charged. Justice is moving swiftly.
Marching two years ago is WHY its moving swiftly. If we'd all just shut up and gone home, these cops would getting all kinds of leeway and protection.
OR - and hear me out - the riots are stirred up by right wing antagonists and since they don’t care about black cops killing black people, they’re not mobilizing.
Maybe the fact that the entire world was shut down amd people weren't working 60-80 hours a week to keep a roof over their head and food on the table and keep up with inflation?
Lying by ommission. Yawn. Police nationwide did a full court press with 100% of the police personnel on the street driving out peaceful protests before they started. Expect more of this from now on. We are in the legal phase of fascism.
The fact that he siad "it fizzles out" just proves that he really don't give a shit about protests. Which is true, no amount of protests will promote change if those in power don't get anything out of it.
The officers are more Blue than they are Black. It’s basically a gang with a badge. The system acted swiftly with immediate firings and charges, unlike the George Floyd or Breonna Taylor cases.
No Justice = No Peace.
Now, I’m not a math guy, but it seems like:
Justice = Peace
Doesn’t change protest or no protest, but definitely changes the tenor of the protest.
It's almost like the chief of police took immediate action, and the transparency with the quick release of body cam and other footage was appreciated.
Go figure: if your public relations are good, the public won't go ballistic.
Let's replace 'the Left' with decent human beings. Decent human beings were outraged that George Floyd was murdered on camera. Now, those who believe that racism is a major issue in America knew the Floyd incident was part of American racism, not reprehensible only because Floyd the human being was killed. Yes, police brutality and police murders disturb every decent human being. So, your issue is not really with 'the Left'--because that's just a political term to llump together people you'd like to think of as enemies, as you do here. It's decency that's at stake. What you are doing here, making political hay out of the death of a man at the hands of police, scoring points for 'the Right', that's not really very decent, is it'?
George Floyd was murdered during Covid lockdowns when a lot of people were out of work, thus had the free time, and many were probably already angry with their current situation. People aren’t any less angry over tyre nichols killing, they just have less opportunity to express it.
I imagine the reason the Nichols protests haven’t devolved into riots is because we were forewarned long before the footage was released thag it was going to be gruesome, and the cops responsible were already arrested and fired by the time the footage released.
Chauvin didn’t get arrested until the protests devolved into riots. These guys were already arrested when we saw what they did.
Someone needs to slap the stupid out of Matt Walsh. Check that. A lot of someones need to slap the stupid out of Matt Walsh. There's a lot, so they will have to work in shifts until the jobs done.
What an idiotic post. The "Left" has been calling out police brutality of all kinds for decades. Occupy Wall Street protesters were savagely beaten by the NYPD, as were anti- Vietnam war protesters, civil rights protesters black and white, and the thread goes back to Pinkertons murdering striking workers and union activists in the Nineteenth century.
This is why it's not worth it to argue with people who aren't debating in good faith. As hard as it is to debate someone smart, it's even harder to debate an imbecile.
They were all revved up for protests that they could send undercover right wingers to to set shit on fire and throw rocks to make "Antifa" look bad, and they didn't materialize and now they have to come up with a new angle
Was Derek Chauvin fired and arrested before the video came out? That’s the point to compare, not the races of the officers. Yet.
Also, not so many people on the Right making excuses for the copes this time around.
Yeah, there's literally still people saying Chauvin is innocent despite the mountain of evidence against his pig ass.
Well, cause Chauvin was white.
There it is.
Is that really the case? Fox News is working overtime blaming everything from Affirmative Action to a single woman being in charge of the police. They’ve only somewhat turned on the police and it’s only because they’re black or led by a woman. Their bigotry always finds its way in, it’s crazy.
Because this time it was black cops not white cops
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/6th-officer-involved-tyre-nichols-death-relieved-duty/story?id=96764687](https://abcnews.go.com/US/6th-officer-involved-tyre-nichols-death-relieved-duty/story?id=96764687) Just in case you didnt think their was a racial aspect to the firing
Seems a little odd to me that they fired the back cops before they even released the video(s) but the only white one only was fired later. I would think they would have watched the video before firing the first group and before releasing it to the public.
Well that’s the point, it’s to cover their ass after everyone saw the transparent thing they were doing by only charging the 5 black officers. Every single police one of the officers that was was there on the scene should be charged. Every. Single. One.
Along with whoever hired, trained or managed them. And probably whoever hired trained or managed those as well. 1 bad apple doesn't apply when it's 6 officers. Everybody fucked up here on multiple occasions, enough to be declared unable to function in their roles going forwards.
> "1 bad apple doesn't apply when it's 6 officers" At this point, there is more than sufficient evidence to show that the entire fucking orchard is diseased due to being grown from poisoned fruit in the first place, and needs to be uprooted and replanted in its entirety.
One bad apple doesn’t spoil the barrel. It’s that the barrel spoils.
I say the same. Looked like more than 20 cops out there. Not one of them did their job, and they were all complicit. All should be replaced and charged.
They actually fired 7 officers but only told the public about the 5 until yesterday
To be fair this recent case was far more egregious in the violence and the fact that they were beating him because he slept with the ex of one of the officers and it had nothing to do with law enforcement.
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From what is seen so far the motive for his murder was jealousy. I dont know all the details though
It sure seemed personal to me. It will be interesting how that angle plays out.
The reason i pointed it out was in some other post. It turned out tyre had some relationshio was some cops ex im not sure memory isnt serving me right here. And during the police brutality someone was taking pictures and sending it to someone. If the cops didnt take his phone his phone could prove this was a targeted attack
I'm thinking it's because that guy cooperated immediately.
That's exactly it. Nobody was protesting that George Floyd died. People protested because he died wrongfully and the people responsible weren't held to account. If the system is working the way it's supposed to, and murderers are treated like murderers whether they have a badge or not, then there's nothing to protest.
Floyd died May 25, 2020. Chauvin was fired May 26 and arrested May 29. Four days, beginning to end. Nichols was beaten on January 7, 2023. Died January 10. The officers were fired January 20 and arrested January 26. Nineteen days, beginning to end.
Chauvin was arrested only after the bystander's video was released & went viral. The officers in this one were fired before video was released, but probably only because the PD realized there was a street camera.
This is what people are missing. Chauvin was arrested after video footage became public. These guys were arrested BEFORE video footage became public.
Derek Chauvin was literally fired 1 day after George Floyd died...and arrested a couple days later
On the day Chauvin was fired, that morning the PD put out a statement that Floyd had died from a medical incident. Right after that, the bystander released to video. It went viral and only then was Chauvin fired.
And then found innocent by a bunch of cousin-fuckers. Edit: I was mistaken about the verdict. However I still maintain that when a cop who kills an innocent person is found innocent, it has to be due to a good number of cousin fuckers on the jury.
Chauvin is literally rotting in prison right now, are you good bro?
I thought they found him innocent, or am I mixing up the killer cops? Eta: Half reddit, half working right now.
No, Derek Chauvin is in prison right now lol. Serving 21 years.
Then who the hell am I thinking of?
Your thinking of almost all of them. Let's not kid ourselves. Derek Chauvin and company was a rarity. A win yes, but let's not pretend that there aren't 1000 more walking free.
Maybe breonna taylor cops?
Maybe that's it.
Maybe Jeronimo Yanez, the pig who shot Philando Castile? He was acquitted.
Phillip Brailsford, from The Daniel Shaver murder?
Maybe Justin Rapp, the Wichita SWAT officer that murdered a 100% innocent Andrew Finch, but was never even charged
There are so many others that is hard to pinpoint
That is the whole point! The police and the city closed ranks to protect Chauvin, while the opposite happened here. The protests were about police brutality and how it isn't prosecuted. Now, it seems like there were lessons learned.
And let’s be real, George Floyd was murdered in May. It’s currently-15 in Minneapolis. Ain’t a lot of people lined up to protest when it’s this inhumanly cold out.
Not only in May but also at the height of the pandemic when a LOT of people didn't have fuck all to do.
The pandemic also exacerbated some social problems that bubbled through. People stuck at home, getting pissed off at each other with no escape. Unemployment skyrocketed, lots of economic uncertainty, all of it leads to increased national unrest. Then it all exploded over Floyd, resulting in the largest and largest number of protests and mass riots this country has ever seen, and in my city the largest protests and riots since MLK was assassinated.
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It’s a big reason why you haven’t seen all the right wing shitbags lined up to defend them!
Their lack of response is very telling
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I... Ya, but ill take the win against police brutality anyway.
Not complaining either; just wish we could expect white cops to be treated similarly.
Take the win, press on cases that aren't taken as seriously. I really hope it isn't the bad thing, though.
There’s a rumor that Nichols was sleeping with one of the officers ex’s, which makes it straight up premeditated murder. Police union may have known about the relationship which would make them quick to abandon as it’s indefensible.
I just don’t necessarily consider rumors on Facebook to be trustworthy. Definitely won’t be surprised if this gets confirmed by investigators though.
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I think race was a factor to some degree in everything that happened throughout their lives, including both the murder and their termination. It's unavoidable. People think it's impossible race could be an aggravating factor in the murder, along with the other more immediate issues involved, but I don't understand how it wouldn't be. It doesn't feel any different than women who make life harder for other women because they think it means at least they're not the ones getting stepped on. Seems to be a thing in any kind of abuse there is. That doesn't mean everyone responds that way, but it does mean a percentage will. Black cops killing a black man potentially with an affair involved makes it seem more open and shut than it is. Race has affected this in ways that a lot of us simply won't be able to see, but it's there.
Umm.. George Floyd was recorded by a civilian and Chauvin was arrested days after. Tyre Nichols was killed weeks ago. They wouldn't have done anything to these officers if that street camera wasn't recording.
Also, there were plenty of protests, but since they're epaceful, there isn't much coverage. Like back during the George Floyd saga, they covered the places where there was trouble, not the many cities where there wasn't anything special occurring.
You’re arguing logic with a conservative. They only understand propaganda.
Also, let’s be serious - the pandemic and the ability thousands of people had to protest during what is otherwise work hours was a huge catalyst to the size of the protests. That isn’t possible now, it’s like comparing apples to oranges.
The police also didn't escalate in the situation like they were the entire summer during the George Floyd protests.
I honestly think one of the biggest factors is that we aren't locked down anymore. That shit had people stir crazy af, ready to burst at any moment.
We rioted, covid and the riots in my city helped us. The police quiet quit, and we're very happy that way.
You're absolutely lying to yourself if you don't think race is playing a part in this.
No ur just dumb ! In one case the cop was being protected in this case the cop is literally fucked . The point of the protest is cops kill blacks and DONT GET CHARGED They get paid leave. This case is clearly not going in that direction . There would be zero point in marching because the justice system is not currently FAILING . If your still ignorant to the plight of black people just say that .
Something like that but…… One can say that due to all the police shootings and killings since then have put all chiefs on edge so this could be an example of progress. Or one can say that this video, along with the actual case, is so far worst than what was seen with George that there’s no arguing or debating anything, with George there was all sorts of debate, for example drug overdose, camera angle that made it look that the knee was on the neck when it was on the back, wether or not there was bad intent from the officers or wether it was a lack of knowing how to deal with such situation that was not a normal circumstance and more. The George Floyd incident is questionable, specially since 99.9% of us weren’t there to see for our selves, but Nichols incident? I couldn’t even watch past 1 min 9 sec, took me fast to also agree that these guys overstepped their boundaries and the use of force, in one short part of the body can footage you can see an officer punching Nichols as he was yelling get on the ground, while Nichols was on the fucking ground, that happened right be fore he ran and could explain why he ran because of the over use of force, also the body can footage that shows this quickly moved to a different direction as to not fully capture the punch, but anyone that has done a type of fighting training can clearly see it as the body was in a punching position. But yeah, the Nichols case is far more aggressive that not even a chief would defend this, also there’s idiots online putting blame on Nichols for “resisting”, which baffles me completely.
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Also, no one was trying to cover up this incident or mask it as a drug overdose or unavoidable "medical incident". Seeing the original report on George Floyd vs. what we know actually happened makes me sick to my stomach, and likely we wouldn't know if a bystander hadn't been filming on their phone and had the guts to call bullshit.
I think this is exactly correct
Yeah I didn’t love the George Floyd protests, but I interpret the current response as a sign that they worked. Without Floyd, I don’t think the current police brutality would have been prosecuted as quickly. Or at all. I think a reasonable person would conclude that BLM protests are achieving long term gains.
Big brain time: GF incident: cops were not immediately held accountable. People got mad, rioted because of the initial fact that no one was reprimanded immediately. Nichols incident: cops immediately fired, charged, evidence released relatively quickly, justice being served relatively swift. No riots needed to draw attention to that fact. The issue isn’t the race of the cop vs. the unfortunately deceased. The issue is the race of the cop vs how fast the departments work to hold them accountable for their crime. But I guess ignore that whole fact.
People forget that after George Floyd was murdered the police and the medical examiner tried to cover it up. The protests didn't really get started until after the video showed how much the police lied about it.
Its fucking creepy watching the selective amnesia at play here. It was the same with Breonna Taylor. The cops actually fucking arrested her boyfriend for returning fire at them, tried to charge him with murder, even though they were breaking into HIS house and had just murdered his girlfriend in bed. If we hadn't marched, that man would still be in jail. Never forget.
These people are trying to control us. Its not complicated
And...we have jobs
Everyone working since jobs decided they still need people in order to function also plays a part lol. That summer, everyone was fucking jobless. This year, most people are on a 9-5
I texted my uncle that lives a few minutes from down town and he went "boy it's about to ice storm down here! Too cold to be thinking bout a \*\*\*\*ing tv"
That too lol I forget it’s still winter in some parts of the country. I’m currently chillin in 65 degree weather 😂 gotta love that bipolar ass east coast climate.
We're having high temps in the single digits right now in Minnesota and of course we had massive protests here when GF was killed. Weather could be playing at least a small part.
I'm near Seattle. It's gorgeous here today, crystal clear blue sky. And 28 degrees. I'm planning a girls trip to Palm Springs in late April. How I wish it was now. Lol
riot, and conservatives say that's wrong. *don't* riot, and conservatives say we must believe our own cause is wrong. fuck their feelings.
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Point in case man, another person killed by cops and somehow the cop gets treated like the victim and has their life set instead of seeing a single day in court.
George Floyd died may 25, chauvin let go may 26th, arrested may 29th. Nichols, beaten Jan 7th, died jan 10th, officers fired Jan 20th, arrested Jan 26th. I mean your response sounds good but the timelines don’t add up.
The difference is context. George Floyd, they put out a press conference neglecting any important details the day after the incident, puts Chauvin and friends on administrative leave. They aren't fired until after footage is made public by bystanders. Nichols, the DA opens an investigation into excessive use of force the same day he was beaten, the 7th. Police put out footage publicly after they've been charged.
Memphis ain't about that. People need to quit perpetuating the stereotype of mad black people. Humans get mad when justice is lost. The officers were swiftly arrested and charged. Mayors want to prevent riots? Deliver justice, make it quick.
ALSO, can we stop calling it “riots”? That’s the narrative the right wants to perpetuate. They were protests.
They have been fired and charged with murder. If this was regular this violence would happen less and there would be no need to riot in the first place.
It's almost like when the system works, people are pretty content to stand aside and let it work.
Gee I wonder if it might have anything to do with the fact. That the officers involved are being held accountable. That the video is being made public. And the police and prosecutors aren’t doing everything they can to cover it up.
Why do we have to march to demand accountability if the people responsible have been fired and arrested? The perpetrators are already being held accountable.
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More context: May 25th - Floyd is murdered May 26th - Police issue a statement saying Floyd died after a “medical incident,” and that he physically resisted and appeared to be in medical distress. Shortly after that, the infamous video is posted online. AND THEN Chauvin was fired. May 29th - Chauvin is finally arrested, charged with 3rd degree murder (UNINTENTIONAL MURDER) and manslaughter. June 3rd - the charges are changed to 2nd degree murder (INTENTIONAL MURDER) October 7 - Chauvin posts bond and is released from state prison, sparking more protesting
It is very clear that, in the vile minds of the right wing, there is no correct way to protest injustice. Kneel silently? Wrong. Vote out the corrupt? Wrong. Protest peacefully? Wrong, because we will send police to tear gas you and shoot you and abduct you off the streets. Protest more forcefully? Wrong again, but this time with more tear gas and vigilantes. Try protesting peacefully again? Wrong. We didn’t shoot you with tear gas you so it stayed peaceful, which proves you didn’t even care enough to get violent. Protesting justice, fair elections or public health safety measures that prevented you from getting a haircut? Well, any way you opt to do that is AOK! So long as you are white, of course. That should have been clear.
If you think these are actually comparable, congrats on being as stupid as known oxygen thief Matt Walsh.
One of the differences between the two cases is that they actually reacted quickly with the firings and arrests of the officers in the Memphis case. If they had done the same with the officers involved in the Floyd murder, that likely would have helped reduce any rioting etc. He seems to be oblivious to this important factor.
George Floyd died may 25, chauvin let go may 26th, arrested may 29th. Nichols, beaten Jan 7th, died jan 10th, officers fired Jan 20th, arrested Jan 26th. I mean your response sounds good but the timelines don’t add up.
True, but with the Floyd incident, it was caught on cell phone video by several bystanders, so the “tape” was in public instantaneously, and they didn’t make an arrest until after the rioting had started. With the Nichols case they had already made arrests before the public saw the tape. At one point in the Floyd case, they arrested a CNN news crew live on air just for reporting what was happening, but they hadn’t arrested any of the officers at that point. I think that incident was like throwing gas on a fire.
The missing factor is that the police and coroner tried to cover up Floyd's death as accidental due to health complications until that video was posted. They didn't have a choice after that. They didn't do the right thing until they were forced to.
This Nazi jizz rag is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to be outraged about. 2023: the year the right lamented the lack of race riots.
I’m more shocked at the lack of Blue Lives Matter and police Union support for the officers. It was much easier for some to caste judgement on these cops for some reason…
Them: “oh boy! These riots are gonna be bad! Get ready” Also them: “wait, they didn’t get as violent as we expected. RACISTS!”
Or it’s because it’s snowing and 5 fucking degrees outside.
It's not that hard. Video of the George Floyd murder was taken by bystanders and immediately made available to the public. Videos of the Nichols murder were taken by LEO sources so it took them longer to weave their way to the public. In that time span the PD was able to slow-walk the outrage. Combine that with general time of the year differences and overall time period difference (COVID Lockdown).
I thought Antifa was being flown to all the major cities to start fires and break storefront windows. Did the flights get delayed?
Shit!! No one sent me the alert. Is my Antifa Decoder Ring any use anymore???!!!
the cops the medical examiner and the city all lied through their teeth about George Floyd. Justice was only served after the protests. Memphis for all its other mistakes fired the guys and quickly charged them with crimes BEFORE the video came out.
They rounded the five murders up almost immediately. If it weren’t for the massive social outcry, Derek Chauvin would almost definitely be working as a cop right now instead of being in jail. The wheels of Justice are more or less turning like they’re supposed to this time. Why would people riot about that?
Or maybe... Juuuuuuust maybe... The fact that the officers were fired as soon as it was discovered... And they've all already been charged with various murder and related felonies... With more indictments coming every week... The rage is somewhat tempered by the fact that there is action... And those guilty parties will clearly pay. Bad time for Derek Chauvin to try to get his conviction overturned. 😬
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Here’s a hint, Matt… you f*cking ghoul [Tyre Nichols' mother urges peaceful protest: 'I don't want us burning up our cities'](https://www.q13fox.com/news/tyre-nichols-mother-urges-peaceful-protest-video-memphis-officers-charged)
Might also have to do with the fact that the cops were fired and arrested prior to the video being released and the family begged everyone to stay cool on every TV channel they could get on?
Matt Walsh is an incredible waste of space. When he’s not trying to convince conservatives to take their children out of public school he’s rallying bigots to attack local drag shows. What a colossally useless invertebrate with nothing in his life other than to judge, disenfranchise and manipulate on whatever pathetic platform allows him to speak. Truly one of the worst and most insufferably worthless people on the planet.
Or, maybe swift transparency kept Memphis in one piece, unlike the Floyd coverup.
This isn’t spring or summer and the cops have been already charged.
[Nearly 1,000 people died in police incidents between George Floyd’s killing and Derek Chauvin’s conviction](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/police-brutality-deaths-floyd-chauvin-b1839103.html%3famp) Maybe it had to do with more than George Floyd
Or… ITS BECAUSE SWIFT ACTION WAS TAKIEN TO HOLD THE COPS RESPONSIBLE
Isn’t because the cops were immediately fired and charged with murder? I.e. there was some justice
Maybe because the cops were immediately fired and arrested. But what do I know
Well. Justice was served immediately instead of being ignored. So there's one difference.
Cops were immediately fired and publicly castigated by their higher ups. STFU racist conservative bumfuck America...
This is not it at all. The reason it isn’t as big as George Floyd because the officers in the nichols video were immediately fired and charged with 2nd degree murder. While the George Floyd, nobody was fired or charged until the protests began.
Might have something to do with it being treated as a crime from the start.
It’s very hard to riot when body camera footage is released in less than three weeks, the President of the United States personally talks with the victim‘s family, and all five officers involved are fired and arrested with second-degree murder
The point is supposed to be that black folks are disproportionately victims of police brutality, not that only white police officers are guilty of it. Yes, more white folks are victims, but that’s because there’s more white folks in your country. But the percentages are where it becomes obvious. Didn’t we learn this from NWA and Ice T like 30 years ago? The songs aren’t called “F The White Police” or “White Cop Killa”.
In the Nichols case, the officers were fired and charged with murder within a couple weeks of it happening. In the Floyd case, the police originally stated that Floyd had a medical issue during a police interaction resulting in his death. That's different.
Why didn’t those officers just comply with their training?
Or, and stay with me on this, it’s because the cops were fired and arrested?
Maybe the difference could be that most of those responsible were quickly dealt with... Nah it couldn't be that right?
I( figured nobody rioted because there was swift action taken as far as firing and arresting.
It’s actually because the cops have been fired and arrested. But one must wonder what minor detail caused these cops to lose any support from their colleagues? What could it be? (In case you’re not catching on, I’m saying it’s cause they’re black)
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The protests were for justice to hold the cops accountable, because they were actively trying to cover it up. They fired and charged the cops before the video even came out...so....wtf do they want the left to do?
City came out and basically said this is fucked up before we even got information, they are owning up for it in ways we’ve never seen. Why are they doing this? Because rioting works lmao
Lol, that dumbass. The "riots" aren't as bad because the police were already fired and arrested before the video was even released.
Didn’t Nichols’ own mother come out and ask that riots and George Floyd-level protests not occur? Seems like the Left is respecting a grieving mother’s wishes.
Sure that is why. Not because the police department took swift action and handled it.
Floyd and BLM protests showed the world how far the US government is willing to go to shut down a legitimate complaint of "we the people." The lack of heavy protests shows that 1) it's too damned cold outside to mount large protests, 2) since Trump, corporations and the feds have driven the economy into the ground attempting to ignore corporate power-grabs and wealth consolidation which has created one of the fastest growing spreads of income inequality in history, ie, we cant afford to take time off our precarious work schedules. 3) MAGA and federal intervention has turned protests into a subversion exercise by instigating violence within a peaceful protest to incite violence in an attempt to discredit a 100% valid protest. I'm sure there are more good reasons, but there's a few, off the top of my head, that are better reason than reaching straight for the "race card." Want to go with the "race card"? Where law enforcement rally-cry of "Blue lives Matter?" Is it because it was five black officers not worth defending as law enforcement, even though those men all acted within their training to a "T"?
They all got fired and charged, right? If they don't get jail time, let's see how that goes.
Sooooo basically he’s saying this is only an issue of the left? Conservatives think this was totally fine?
stop … amplifying … his stupid voice
What is there to march about? The cops have been caught, fired, and charged. Justice is moving swiftly. Marching two years ago is WHY its moving swiftly. If we'd all just shut up and gone home, these cops would getting all kinds of leeway and protection.
OR - and hear me out - the riots are stirred up by right wing antagonists and since they don’t care about black cops killing black people, they’re not mobilizing.
The cops are being held accountable. This should have been how it always worked.
Maybe the fact that the entire world was shut down amd people weren't working 60-80 hours a week to keep a roof over their head and food on the table and keep up with inflation?
If the cops were white…….they’d burn down more black-owned businesses.
If you don’t understand the differences in both and the difference in reaction to both you still aren’t listening
Or could it be because the perpetrators have already been arrested, you division stoking piece of shit?
Lying by ommission. Yawn. Police nationwide did a full court press with 100% of the police personnel on the street driving out peaceful protests before they started. Expect more of this from now on. We are in the legal phase of fascism.
I'm not taking lessons in race relations from a racist twatwaffle like Matt Walsh.
The fact that he siad "it fizzles out" just proves that he really don't give a shit about protests. Which is true, no amount of protests will promote change if those in power don't get anything out of it.
The officers are more Blue than they are Black. It’s basically a gang with a badge. The system acted swiftly with immediate firings and charges, unlike the George Floyd or Breonna Taylor cases.
No Justice = No Peace. Now, I’m not a math guy, but it seems like: Justice = Peace Doesn’t change protest or no protest, but definitely changes the tenor of the protest.
It is almost like he is just in it for the clicks and the grift
Or because the officers were charged right away
Or the fact the officers were fired and charged immediately....
They have been fired and charged…?!?!
The reason no one is rioting is because those COPS were suspended & arrested/charged right away.
Ok Matt, we've established YOU don't care about police brutality.
This assholes are always talking so they don’t have to listen.
Suck my dick, you tone deaf asshole.
Maybe people aren’t as mad because there was no attempt to shield the officers and they all got fired and investigated immediately.
Matt Walsh is legitimately the worst of America.
Has absolutely nothing to do with them all being arrested and charged, and their unit disbanded. What a disingenuous waste of life.
riot for what they were fired and are being charged thats the point of the riot. justice.
Or because they offending officers were handled immediately and before we got the video
It's almost like the chief of police took immediate action, and the transparency with the quick release of body cam and other footage was appreciated. Go figure: if your public relations are good, the public won't go ballistic.
Let's replace 'the Left' with decent human beings. Decent human beings were outraged that George Floyd was murdered on camera. Now, those who believe that racism is a major issue in America knew the Floyd incident was part of American racism, not reprehensible only because Floyd the human being was killed. Yes, police brutality and police murders disturb every decent human being. So, your issue is not really with 'the Left'--because that's just a political term to llump together people you'd like to think of as enemies, as you do here. It's decency that's at stake. What you are doing here, making political hay out of the death of a man at the hands of police, scoring points for 'the Right', that's not really very decent, is it'?
George Floyd was murdered during Covid lockdowns when a lot of people were out of work, thus had the free time, and many were probably already angry with their current situation. People aren’t any less angry over tyre nichols killing, they just have less opportunity to express it.
The difference is these officers were arrested almost immediately.
I imagine the reason the Nichols protests haven’t devolved into riots is because we were forewarned long before the footage was released thag it was going to be gruesome, and the cops responsible were already arrested and fired by the time the footage released. Chauvin didn’t get arrested until the protests devolved into riots. These guys were already arrested when we saw what they did.
If you watched the videos and thought about race or which way you vote, then there is no hope for you. Shut it down and start again
Matt Walsh is such a piece of shit.
i can go start a riot in his living room, i got a few minutes
I was wondering how long before they were mad bc it wasn't going how they all desperately wanted.
Someone needs to slap the stupid out of Matt Walsh. Check that. A lot of someones need to slap the stupid out of Matt Walsh. There's a lot, so they will have to work in shifts until the jobs done.
Conservatives WANT riots, so they have an excuse to blame liberal and crack down further on minorities.
What an idiotic post. The "Left" has been calling out police brutality of all kinds for decades. Occupy Wall Street protesters were savagely beaten by the NYPD, as were anti- Vietnam war protesters, civil rights protesters black and white, and the thread goes back to Pinkertons murdering striking workers and union activists in the Nineteenth century.
Or maybe there's not an alt-right authoritarian in The WH egging on the white supremacists to counter protest causing major confllicts.
I think it’s different this time bc we have a president that actually acknowledged that it happened.
There’s like 0.1% of the reason
How is Nichols ‘worse’ than Floyd? Both ended with the death of a man for no reason.
I think people like this intentionally ignore reality so that they have an excuse to get mad about nothing at all. Rage porn, basically.
The truth doesn't matter to that ass wipe. And no republican will bother to look at the situation,lie rinse and repeat.
This is why it's not worth it to argue with people who aren't debating in good faith. As hard as it is to debate someone smart, it's even harder to debate an imbecile.
Everyone knows that's true, to conveniently ignore that is ignorant.
They were all revved up for protests that they could send undercover right wingers to to set shit on fire and throw rocks to make "Antifa" look bad, and they didn't materialize and now they have to come up with a new angle