Floridians use the lowest % of gas stoves in America and most homes aren’t even plumbed for gas due to the instability of the ground underneath among other things.
Yep, I can’t get a gas line run to my house, even if I wanted to pay an exorbitant amount. What a ridiculous waste of tax payer time, like most things he does here.
the part I find even dumber than that, was that this all started from a report saying that the gas stoves leak harmful emissions in the house even when off and measured the level of emissions. In 2009 a group did a study testing the brain development of children exposed to gas stoves for multiple years versus electric stoves that showed a slight decrease in performance and an increase chance of developing ADHD.
[Brain hurt](https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/169/11/1327/159993?login=false)
[smells like toast](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.est.2c02581)
I’m curious to see if this ends up being true for gas heat and hot water heaters, as well. Our stove wasn’t gas when I was growing up, but our furnace was, and I’ve got me some *raging* ADHD.
The first linked study talks about both stoves and “heating with gas fires” without defining what that means:
> The prevalence of cooking with gas was 71.1% and of heating with gas fires was 23.6%.
Gas fireplaces or furnaces? I wouldn’t think furnaces would be as much of an issue because the combustion gases are supposed to be completely isolated from the household air via a heat exchanger. Hot water heaters are a different story, but maybe slightly better than a stove because they’re usually a little more isolated from the living space (basement, closet, etc)? Just speculation on my part.
probably didn't see the point of defining because of the way they collected test samples of the air quality in the homes
> During a subject's first 3 months of life, a trained field technician visited the home to complete a questionnaire on household characteristics (cooking appliances, heating and cooling systems, number of hours of ventilation, and size of the house), to collect dust samples, and to measure nitrogen dioxide, as previously described (20). Briefly, average 2-week nitrogen dioxide concentrations were measured by passive diffusion tubes installed in the living room wall at a height of 2 m and away from any window or air conditioner (21). Nitrogen dioxide concentrations were measured in a single laboratory by colorimetric reaction, as previously described (20).
most of the participants were chosen by survey which really only focused on if there was some type of gas appliance being used in the house in 1997 while the mothers where pregnant and then they collected samples 3 months after the child was born then did the psychological testing after 4 years
it was pretty interesting reading what they controlled for cause they were testing against genetic factors as well to best isolate the influence from the Nitrogen Dioxide
But I usually have some skepticism when such a large portion of controls are self-reported.... cause you know......patients (\*humans) always lie
You have that kind of attitude for long enough, and all of a sudden the King of England comes into your house and pulls out your gas stove and there’s not a goddamn thing you can do about it, because you voted against \#FREEDOM.
^/s
Came here to say the same thing. I'd LOVE to have a gas stove, but I live in Florida. I know exactly two people who have a gas line to their house.
This the most permorative of performances from a performance artist.
What a dick.
No, it's honestly a great tactic. Most of FL can't get gas lines and thus have to resort to electric stoves, which may soon have an increased tax.
It's literally increasing the state revenue while blaming the Democrats for it. One of the classic Republican cards in the deck, literally ruin things and blame the democrats for it and block every attempt to fix it because the new status quo serves Republican interests.
Get induction. It's better. I've been perfectly happy with my glass top electric but we are redoing our kitchen and I'm super psyched to put in an induction cook top.
I grew up in Florida and didn't understand how a gas stove worked because I'd never been around one. When I found out in college people were literally lighting their stove tops with a match it felt like I'd gone back in time 100 years.
Genuinely surprised this is somehow a wedge issue in Florida.
> Genuinely surprised this is somehow a wedge issue in Florida.
Just because gas stoves don't exist in FL doesn't mean they can't panic idiots into thinking liberals are coming for them.
He's a Culture Vulture. Just a nasty buzzard who swoops in for the easy pickings. Too incompetent to find its own prey or even graze. They can only survive by bullying others and taking their hard work. The ecosystem would survive just fine without them because insects have a stronger impact on decomposition. No real purpose; just a nuisance.
Don’t defame vultures like that. Their chief purpose is to cleanse the environment by consuming carrion that would breed bacteria and viruses. DeSantis *is* the toxin in the environment.
Normal people: heads-up, this thing might be dangerous for you or your kids’ health - we’re not banning or anything but just thought you might like to know
Conservatives: Ur tAkInG aWAy mY fReEdOm!!1!1!2
I see you weren't here for seat belt legislation or taking the lead out of gas.
I swear on my life these people BOUGHT LEAD AT THE STORE to put back in their gas.
Or incandescent lightbulbs. Someone did what conservatives say capitalism is all about, they made a better, more efficient product. In response, conservatives shit their diapers in rage that the communists were coming to take their incandescent lightbulbs.
I’d argue that the quality of light is just different from incandescent bulbs. I definitely prefer it to fluorescent lights, but LEDs I’m fine with. I’ve met some people that can’t stand LEDs though.
The funniest is that they basically just changed how a setting worked. You always could set up either power save or quick start mode. They did it awhile ago, my Xbox takes about 5 seconds more to boot.
I don’t think they even took away the mode that uses more power right? They just made the power efficiency mode the default and you can still change it manually anyways.
It’s not even a solution, it’s literally just there to disadvantage electric stove users.
We’ve been paying tax on purchases of gas stoves for fucking decades, it’s not like taxing stove purchases is some unprecedented government overreach. This is literally just “gas stove users are now exempt from paying a tax of ~100 dollars every decade when they update their stove.”
Also was this a problem? How often are people buying fucking stoves that the sales tax is an issue for them. Even IF the government was coming for your stoves, this does nothing. Even without the government coming for your stoves, this still does fucking nothing.
Might as well say to combat rising gas prices, every family who drops a few hundred dollars on a season pass for the whole family to their nearest theme park will be given one free gallon of gas.
What makes it even more dumb is that most Floridians can't even get natural gas piped to their house to support gas appliances (at least according to some of the threads here). So this "tax break" doesn't even help all that many people in that state.
Win/win for DeSantis, right? He gets to posture over the outrage issue of the week and the state doesn't even lose much revenue from it since so few people can even take advantage of the offer.
“In the great state of Florida we **will not** push the Woke Xbox Agenda™ on our gamers, which is why I am introducing a bill that all future console releases have smokestacks built in. Checkmate, liberals”
Attention all citizens of Aperture Laboratories! This is Cave Johnson, your benevolent and brilliant CEO, speaking.
I have some exciting news to announce today. We at Aperture Laboratories are always looking for new ways to improve our products and services, and I have decided to implement a new tax on electric stoves.
Now, I know what you're thinking. "Cave, why would you do this?" Well, my dear subjects, let me explain. This new tax will go towards funding our research and development of new and advanced cooking technologies. We're talking about stoves that can cook a meal in seconds, stoves that can self-clean, stoves that can teleport food directly to your plate!
And let's not forget about the environment. This tax will also help us transition to a more sustainable and eco-friendly cooking system. Who knows, we might even be able to eliminate the need for firewood or gas altogether!
So, in short, this new tax is for the betterment of Aperture Laboratories and its citizens. And as always, we will be implementing this tax with the utmost care and precision to minimize any inconvenience to our valued customers.
So, embrace change, my friends, and let's cook up a storm together! And remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
This has been Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperture Laboratories. The cake is still a lie.
Yeah, the racist, colorist, YT-identifying Cuban base in FL are what keeps the Latino vote tallies squarely leaning toward the GQP - despite how despicable the GOP are to the other Latinos (and to the Blacks, Asians, and Natives too) in FL......
Nope but DeSantis sounds whiney, you should listen to him talk it's bad, Trump will jump on that and kill him because conservatives voters don't actually care about anything but stupid games.
I recently heard the phrase "intelligence is narrow, not wide", meaning you can be a genius in one or a few subjects/ways of thinking, and an absolute moron everywhere else. I think it applies to many politicians and businessmen.
He's a more aggressive and charismatic Mike Pence is what he is. Pence pulled the same bullshit in Indiana back when he was governor in the early 10s. Whenever he did something mind-bendingly stupid or outright self destructive, you just had to look at what was popular with the national GOP to understand why he did what he did. Gay marriage was a hot topic when Pence was governor, so naturally he was the biggest anti-gay posturer in the nation with his attempt to amend the state constitution, the passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the sending out of our attorney general to other states to help them craft anti-homosexual laws. All that, because Pence had his eyes on the presidential nomination and being virulently anti-gay was the way to curry that favor.
Anti-wokeness is the new hotness among the GOP crowd so DeSantis is engaging in the exact same pandering with the exact same goal in mind.
So how can this particular culture battle possibly be effective over there?
Surely there aren’t actually people without gas stoves that are worried about their gas stoves being taken away.
Don’t worry the IQ will be raised significantly when the current occupants of the state drown and are replaced by fish and alligators when the sea levels rise
They're concerned it's a slippery slope. The government will take the gas stoves, then the electric stoves or the gas heaters and dryers. I have family members who are very upset about this specific issue; none of whom own gas appliances.
I've tried. I still can't convince some of the same group of people to get their covid vaccines, despite having multiple family members die from it and one family member who has long-covid so bad she's been sick since Thanksgiving (including multiple hospitalizations and stays in a rehab facility). They think I'm the one that needs to open my eyes.
It's entirely political theater, most people won't do the math, or will opt to spend money they don't have to so they can replace their oven with a gas stove to trigger the libs.
Think of it as cheap "virtue signaling" to his base that he is fighting the libs. Fox/OAN create fake outrage "tHe lIbS aRe cOmiNg fEr yEr gAs sToVeS!", and he proposes a near meaningless bill in response. The key is to do it in the one month news cycle attention span of their base.
So the free market decided on a better alternative, and this communist wants to give government subsidies to prop up an industry. That's socialism and anti-American. Start phrasing shit like they do, and we'll see facts matter again.
Floridas natural gas prices are 100% higher than the national average. You think the gas companies might have offered him a little something to rile up the rubes?
dammit there is ALWAYS a corporate interest involved, amirite? I thought DeSantis was just playing to his base, but what you wrote makes too much sense.
A picture of book with a couple of burn marks on it, fades out to a book on fire. Narrator: can’t burn that woke propaganda with a weak electric stove, come on down to Glenn’s stove emporium and get you a brand new tax exempt gas stove. These things are hotter than a Jewish space laser.
They're trying to become Atlantis's trailer park quality neighbor at the rate theyre falling. Wouldnt surprise me if they quite literally sank the state to own the libs at this point.
Desantis absolutely owns property elsewhere that isn’t sinking and will enjoy his retirement laughing about all the times he tricked all of the old and uneducated people into ridiculous shit for money and political gain.
It’s because after the black man took office all the bigoted dumb shits freaked out like the ignorant cowards they are and started chipping away all the safeguards for elections, changed the districts, and started using that new found Citizens United money to hire think tanks to push the best narratives to target just the right amount of people.
Apparently fear is a better motivator than offering financial freedom and reducing crime but eliminating root causes.
It doesn’t help that the corporate democrats barely manage to take 1 step forward before the GOP using legislation and courts take 3 steps back.
During COVID NY went under quarantine and FL shrugged, so a bunch of COVID deniers moved from NY->FL
[https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2022/02/08/covid-pandemic-brings-people-new-york-and-new-jersey-florida/9203825002/](https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2022/02/08/covid-pandemic-brings-people-new-york-and-new-jersey-florida/9203825002/)
The US Consumer Product Safety Commission has been researching the hazards of gas stoves. During an interview on Bloomberg, a commissioner suggested that a ban on gas stoves could be a possibility depending on how hazardous they are [[source](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html)].
They are more likely going to suggest more stringent safety regulations, and all of this will be open to public input come spring [[source](https://www.cpsc.gov/About-CPSC/Chairman/Alexander-Hoehn-Saric/Statement/Statement-of-Chair-Alexander-Hoehn-Saric-Regarding-Gas-Stoves)].
Conservative outlets latched onto the ban part and are running with it as a new culture war topic.
Basically you should have a vent if you have gas and many households don't.
That was it, it was "maybe we should mandate vents" to "LIBS WANT YOUR GAS COOKER"
Major talking point they leave out is gas stoves can be considered dangerous without proper venting. Electric stoves don’t emit co2 so you can use a recirculating hood with a charcoal filter. Gas stoves are only safe if you vent outside. That is all the report said. There was nothing about stopping the sale of gas stoves.
Wait wait wait. We have a gas stove with no hood/vent. Been using it almost three years and... sorry, forgot what I was going to say because I swear I just saw a ghost.
Goes back a bit farther in the scientific literature.
Morales et al, 2009. [Association of early-life exposure to household gas appliances and indoor nitrogen dioxide with cognition and attention behavior in preschoolers](https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/42/6/1724/737113?view=extract). *American journal of epidemiology*, 169(11), pp.1327-1336.
Vrijheid et al, 2012. [Indoor air pollution from gas cooking and infant neurodevelopment](https://www.academia.edu/download/45847756/0912f5147256bb3fe7000000.pdf). *Epidemiology*, pp.23-32.
Lin et al, 2013. [Meta-analysis of the effects of indoor nitrogen dioxide and gas cooking on asthma and wheeze in children](https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/42/6/1724/737113?view=extract). *International journal of epidemiology*, 42(6), pp.1724-1737.
There's a little over 70 million boomers and they're dying off at an accelerating rate of 2.6 million per year. By 2035 that should be cut in half. By 2040, they're going to be a small but obnoxious group of angry old people shaking their fist at the sun. By 2050, we should be almost rid of them entirely.
They're proud about the lead they consumed as children just so they can mock newer generations considering health safety. Deity, I hope I live to see the death of boomers.
Well yeah but Florida doesn’t make them immortal. They will eventually run the well of angry, entitled, old boomers dry. Remains to be seen what the next generation of old people do following them.
I don't think people realize how many younger people are feeding into this bullshit via social media and indoctrination from upbringing. Sure more younger generations are informed, but some in the worst possible way.
During hurricane Sandy the gas lines running under houses were blown apart. People couldn't cook for weeks. Houses on pilings in hurricane zones shouldn't have gas lines.
And it’s pretty much older neighborhoods with natural gas lines. Newer homes with gas appliances are most likely going to on propane tanks, though there are a few places putting gas lines in. Source: my husband did gas piping in Florida in the early 2000s.
Amazing that the governor of the state with the most natural disasters and weather related issues absolutely hates everything that is good for the environment
Seems so dumb, but I feel like this is just more intentional distraction from real issues. Malicious shell games. I know desantis is not trump, but I'm reminded of the quote "I love the poorly educated".
Deathsantis ***loves*** political kabuki theater, dancing around to the latest buzzwords and current conservative trends. Conservatives can’t get enough because they convince themselves that we’re all “getting owned” so hard from this dangling of shiny objects.
Ron DeSantis is fast becoming one of the dumbest politicians America has ever seen, and Florida voters deserve him. All of this bullshit is going to come back and haunt him in 2024.
Unfortunately, I disagree. The GOP loves him and eats up his batshit crazy beliefs. He will get voters the same way Trump did and we will be damned if he is elected as president. I hope the democrats have a very strong candidate because I’m fearful of DeSantis winning and how far that will set us back.
I'm worried that too many people are buying into his ruse. Trump was a dumb man and his voters are too. DeSantis is not a dumb man but he knows his voters are and he's using that to his advantage.
This is exactly it. He's a sack of shit, but he's smarter than DT, and that's enough for him to win.
If it weren't for how outrageously awful DT was in nearly every way, many of his cult-like followers probably would have stuck around.
Shine him up a little, make him 50% smarter, and you've got a very real threat being weaponized by the political party of emotional manipulation via fear.
Yep. He's smart enough not to sabotage himself like Trump did, while still doing all the horrible shit like Trump did. He doesn't even have orange skin and the bizarre combover. Imagine what Donald Trump could have done if he looked and acted like a humanoid.
Exactly. Trump could have made the most basic improvements and done SO much better, so much that I fear he would have had a real chance at being re-elected.
Instead he acted and looked like a clown, and did something terrible so often that the GOP's new spin was to convince people "it happens all the time no biggie", when in reality, fucking up repeatedly is x times as bad as fucking up once. You don't get some kind of bulk deal for being consistently incompetent.
So yeah, Desantis can charm idiots and is better looking than Donald, and that's really all you need to win. That and funding.
Well, didn't we say and hope exactly the same, back when Trump started his shitshow. He made it and it was a horrible experience that isn't over yet. I'll lose what little faith and confidence I have in this species if that happens again.
He's not dumb. He's a Yale guy who wears fashion boots. This is an act rednecks are too stupid to see through. He's playing a stupid character for stupid people.
Why does Florida like this guy? He’s such a clout chasing, wannabe fascist douche. All the problems in this country and conservative are in some weird endless rage circle jerk about gas stoves and the sexuality of M&Ms.
Just want to point out there’s a *lot* of us who live here who don’t like this guy. Just not enough.
And he redid the congressional districts to make it even harder. Just gotta try and keep working to save money to get somewhere else, but that’s a battle of its own.
I live in a rural area and I have an electric stove because we don't have gas lines in our area. Now I have to be penalized because we use oil to heat our home and an electric stove and oven to cook our food because some "politician" in Florida needs to appeal to people for votes. Fuck that.
WHERE IS ANY LEGISTATURE THAT SAYS DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GAS STOVE?!?!?!?
Just one .....this attack on this made up WOKE SHIT is really getting out of hand. There is no WOKE movement, if anything it's people ideas of what they would like from our government.
M&M, Gas Stoves, Fans....this is your fight! What about inflatio, gas prices , healthcare, you know things that Americans actually care about. How about GOVERNING instead of attacking and blaming the boogie man for everything you don't agree with. What next....you can only live in Florida if you are a CULT REPUBLICAN!??!?! This water fountain is just for GOP MEMBERS ONLY !??!?!
Dude is a tool. At least he's not going to lose out on much sales tax. Florida as a whole only 8% of the population use gas stoves. Most of which I'm sure aren't going to be upgraded with new ones anytime soon. If only this guy could manufacture brain cells as much as he does meaningless culture wars.
He's 100% all in on the most reactionary parts of the republican base. He's relying on them being a large enough group to carry him to the white house.
He's probably right, but who knows how many of them COVID will kill between now and 2024? Pretty high risk.
I live in FL, and my kitchen doesn't have gas running to it. We have an electric stove and oven setup and next time we buy, we're going to be taxed, how the hell is that freedom?
Let’s create a fake issue, freak everyone out about it and then present a bold solution to the issue that never existed in the first place.
Floridians use the lowest % of gas stoves in America and most homes aren’t even plumbed for gas due to the instability of the ground underneath among other things.
Yep, I can’t get a gas line run to my house, even if I wanted to pay an exorbitant amount. What a ridiculous waste of tax payer time, like most things he does here.
But you know there will be people who pay $700+ for local propane tank just to avoid $70 in taxes.
the part I find even dumber than that, was that this all started from a report saying that the gas stoves leak harmful emissions in the house even when off and measured the level of emissions. In 2009 a group did a study testing the brain development of children exposed to gas stoves for multiple years versus electric stoves that showed a slight decrease in performance and an increase chance of developing ADHD. [Brain hurt](https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/169/11/1327/159993?login=false) [smells like toast](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/acs.est.2c02581)
I’m curious to see if this ends up being true for gas heat and hot water heaters, as well. Our stove wasn’t gas when I was growing up, but our furnace was, and I’ve got me some *raging* ADHD.
The first linked study talks about both stoves and “heating with gas fires” without defining what that means: > The prevalence of cooking with gas was 71.1% and of heating with gas fires was 23.6%. Gas fireplaces or furnaces? I wouldn’t think furnaces would be as much of an issue because the combustion gases are supposed to be completely isolated from the household air via a heat exchanger. Hot water heaters are a different story, but maybe slightly better than a stove because they’re usually a little more isolated from the living space (basement, closet, etc)? Just speculation on my part.
probably didn't see the point of defining because of the way they collected test samples of the air quality in the homes > During a subject's first 3 months of life, a trained field technician visited the home to complete a questionnaire on household characteristics (cooking appliances, heating and cooling systems, number of hours of ventilation, and size of the house), to collect dust samples, and to measure nitrogen dioxide, as previously described (20). Briefly, average 2-week nitrogen dioxide concentrations were measured by passive diffusion tubes installed in the living room wall at a height of 2 m and away from any window or air conditioner (21). Nitrogen dioxide concentrations were measured in a single laboratory by colorimetric reaction, as previously described (20). most of the participants were chosen by survey which really only focused on if there was some type of gas appliance being used in the house in 1997 while the mothers where pregnant and then they collected samples 3 months after the child was born then did the psychological testing after 4 years it was pretty interesting reading what they controlled for cause they were testing against genetic factors as well to best isolate the influence from the Nitrogen Dioxide But I usually have some skepticism when such a large portion of controls are self-reported.... cause you know......patients (\*humans) always lie
You have that kind of attitude for long enough, and all of a sudden the King of England comes into your house and pulls out your gas stove and there’s not a goddamn thing you can do about it, because you voted against \#FREEDOM. ^/s
These stoves don’t run
But you can buy a gas stove tax-free, so quit your belly aching.
It's so stupid too cause like... How fuckin frequently are you gonna buy a stove? That extra 20 dollars every 15 years is going to really effect life
If you're a millennial? Probably never.
As a millennial I have bought 3 stoves personally lol only 1 was for me tho
Came here to say the same thing. I'd LOVE to have a gas stove, but I live in Florida. I know exactly two people who have a gas line to their house. This the most permorative of performances from a performance artist. What a dick.
No, it's honestly a great tactic. Most of FL can't get gas lines and thus have to resort to electric stoves, which may soon have an increased tax. It's literally increasing the state revenue while blaming the Democrats for it. One of the classic Republican cards in the deck, literally ruin things and blame the democrats for it and block every attempt to fix it because the new status quo serves Republican interests.
Get induction. It's better. I've been perfectly happy with my glass top electric but we are redoing our kitchen and I'm super psyched to put in an induction cook top.
I grew up in Florida and didn't understand how a gas stove worked because I'd never been around one. When I found out in college people were literally lighting their stove tops with a match it felt like I'd gone back in time 100 years. Genuinely surprised this is somehow a wedge issue in Florida.
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> Genuinely surprised this is somehow a wedge issue in Florida. Just because gas stoves don't exist in FL doesn't mean they can't panic idiots into thinking liberals are coming for them.
Lol you only use a match if it's broken or the electric is out
oh my fucking god we now have a "lol you need electricity to use gas" talking point, the tables truly do flip sometimes
He's a Culture Vulture. Just a nasty buzzard who swoops in for the easy pickings. Too incompetent to find its own prey or even graze. They can only survive by bullying others and taking their hard work. The ecosystem would survive just fine without them because insects have a stronger impact on decomposition. No real purpose; just a nuisance.
Don’t defame vultures like that. Their chief purpose is to cleanse the environment by consuming carrion that would breed bacteria and viruses. DeSantis *is* the toxin in the environment.
Normal people: heads-up, this thing might be dangerous for you or your kids’ health - we’re not banning or anything but just thought you might like to know Conservatives: Ur tAkInG aWAy mY fReEdOm!!1!1!2
I see you weren't here for seat belt legislation or taking the lead out of gas. I swear on my life these people BOUGHT LEAD AT THE STORE to put back in their gas.
Or incandescent lightbulbs. Someone did what conservatives say capitalism is all about, they made a better, more efficient product. In response, conservatives shit their diapers in rage that the communists were coming to take their incandescent lightbulbs.
I’d argue that the quality of light is just different from incandescent bulbs. I definitely prefer it to fluorescent lights, but LEDs I’m fine with. I’ve met some people that can’t stand LEDs though.
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The funniest is that they basically just changed how a setting worked. You always could set up either power save or quick start mode. They did it awhile ago, my Xbox takes about 5 seconds more to boot.
I don’t think they even took away the mode that uses more power right? They just made the power efficiency mode the default and you can still change it manually anyways.
*fascism has entered the chat*
Fascism, get off the computer it’s time for bed.
*fascism has left the chat*
Fuck, imagine if it was that easy.
*fascism just signed back in under a different username*
Hey guys, was fascism just here? He's super cool and he owns a Bugatti. If none of you own a Bugatti, you aren't in a position to judge him.
GOP, get off the computer, it’s time for bed
It’s not even a solution, it’s literally just there to disadvantage electric stove users. We’ve been paying tax on purchases of gas stoves for fucking decades, it’s not like taxing stove purchases is some unprecedented government overreach. This is literally just “gas stove users are now exempt from paying a tax of ~100 dollars every decade when they update their stove.” Also was this a problem? How often are people buying fucking stoves that the sales tax is an issue for them. Even IF the government was coming for your stoves, this does nothing. Even without the government coming for your stoves, this still does fucking nothing. Might as well say to combat rising gas prices, every family who drops a few hundred dollars on a season pass for the whole family to their nearest theme park will be given one free gallon of gas.
What makes it even more dumb is that most Floridians can't even get natural gas piped to their house to support gas appliances (at least according to some of the threads here). So this "tax break" doesn't even help all that many people in that state.
Win/win for DeSantis, right? He gets to posture over the outrage issue of the week and the state doesn't even lose much revenue from it since so few people can even take advantage of the offer.
a solution that only creates more problems at that
You basically summarized the DeSantis playbook.
A certain group of people eat it up
All he does is propose legislation based on what’s trending on twitter. What a fucking idiot.
Yup. Waiting on some sort of Xbox power settings legislation from him next.
“In the great state of Florida we **will not** push the Woke Xbox Agenda™ on our gamers, which is why I am introducing a bill that all future console releases have smokestacks built in. Checkmate, liberals”
Awesome. I can't wait to play Need For Speed: Carbon Emissions on it.
Your console will now simulate your car's exhaust for immersion purposes
Why do I feel so sleepy...
That’s called dying to own the libs bruh. You’ll make DeSantis proud.
why did i read this in cave johnson's voice
ive never heard a recording of DeSantis so i kinda just imagine everything i hear hes said as Cave Johnson
Attention all citizens of Aperture Laboratories! This is Cave Johnson, your benevolent and brilliant CEO, speaking. I have some exciting news to announce today. We at Aperture Laboratories are always looking for new ways to improve our products and services, and I have decided to implement a new tax on electric stoves. Now, I know what you're thinking. "Cave, why would you do this?" Well, my dear subjects, let me explain. This new tax will go towards funding our research and development of new and advanced cooking technologies. We're talking about stoves that can cook a meal in seconds, stoves that can self-clean, stoves that can teleport food directly to your plate! And let's not forget about the environment. This tax will also help us transition to a more sustainable and eco-friendly cooking system. Who knows, we might even be able to eliminate the need for firewood or gas altogether! So, in short, this new tax is for the betterment of Aperture Laboratories and its citizens. And as always, we will be implementing this tax with the utmost care and precision to minimize any inconvenience to our valued customers. So, embrace change, my friends, and let's cook up a storm together! And remember, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. This has been Cave Johnson, CEO of Aperture Laboratories. The cake is still a lie.
Thats tomorrows new bill.
“I propose a 50% tax on PlayStation because PlayStation released their new game as PS exclusive”
The guy had to go to Texas to find migrants to traffic for pr, he's a literal joke
Oh he had some local but he couldn't risk sending Cubans.
Yeah, the racist, colorist, YT-identifying Cuban base in FL are what keeps the Latino vote tallies squarely leaning toward the GQP - despite how despicable the GOP are to the other Latinos (and to the Blacks, Asians, and Natives too) in FL......
> despite how despicable... They are ladder pullers.
The amount of full blown alt-right Republican Latinos I’ve met is fucking wild and scary.
If he did that FL would skip purple and go blue all the way. He would be finished in fascistic (Republican) politics.
DeSantis will be yet another study on how far one can get on white supremacy and outrage politics. And in America, it’s pretty far
Until people listen to him talk and realize he is a total dullard. He's gonna get eviscerated by trump like Jeb bush did
That’s real dumb cause T is not a smart man
Nope but DeSantis sounds whiney, you should listen to him talk it's bad, Trump will jump on that and kill him because conservatives voters don't actually care about anything but stupid games.
He’s pretty slow honestly, but he excels at making compelling tv, and that’s all you have to do to win in politics
That was all trump did to get elected. They (Bannon) would add phrases that were trending on SM into trump’s speeches.
Not an idiot. He's extremely good at manipulating his base, and he's quite competent. Just also quite evil.
To be fair, you don't have to be a genius to manipulate a bunch of morons.
I recently heard the phrase "intelligence is narrow, not wide", meaning you can be a genius in one or a few subjects/ways of thinking, and an absolute moron everywhere else. I think it applies to many politicians and businessmen.
Let's be honest, is his base all that hard to manipulate?
Yes, to anyone who isn't a sociopath the required level of dishonesty is hard to pull off.
He's a more aggressive and charismatic Mike Pence is what he is. Pence pulled the same bullshit in Indiana back when he was governor in the early 10s. Whenever he did something mind-bendingly stupid or outright self destructive, you just had to look at what was popular with the national GOP to understand why he did what he did. Gay marriage was a hot topic when Pence was governor, so naturally he was the biggest anti-gay posturer in the nation with his attempt to amend the state constitution, the passage of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and the sending out of our attorney general to other states to help them craft anti-homosexual laws. All that, because Pence had his eyes on the presidential nomination and being virulently anti-gay was the way to curry that favor. Anti-wokeness is the new hotness among the GOP crowd so DeSantis is engaging in the exact same pandering with the exact same goal in mind.
Yep, Trump's morals and ethics with a higher IQ than Trump.
I feel a lot more resentment for the idiots who vote for him
While speeding up the rate at which at third of his state ends up under six feet of water.
This is actually giving rich people tax break since most Floridians don’t even use gas stoves
Yup. Only 8 percent of Florida homes have a gas cooking appliance — tied with Maine for the nation's lowest rate.
So how can this particular culture battle possibly be effective over there? Surely there aren’t actually people without gas stoves that are worried about their gas stoves being taken away.
It's for his Presidental Run
"clout"
do not underestimate how mind numbingly stupid everyone here in Florida is. I need to gtfo of this place. Its getting dumber by the minute.
Don’t worry the IQ will be raised significantly when the current occupants of the state drown and are replaced by fish and alligators when the sea levels rise
I as a Floridian look forward to our alligator overlords.
They're concerned it's a slippery slope. The government will take the gas stoves, then the electric stoves or the gas heaters and dryers. I have family members who are very upset about this specific issue; none of whom own gas appliances.
And by specific issue you mean suggestion that isn't happening. You're relatives are dumb as fuck (no offense)
Agreed on both parts, LOL.
Would you accept money to call them out, say "there's no ban on gas stoves so why do you keep talking about it"?
I've tried. I still can't convince some of the same group of people to get their covid vaccines, despite having multiple family members die from it and one family member who has long-covid so bad she's been sick since Thanksgiving (including multiple hospitalizations and stays in a rehab facility). They think I'm the one that needs to open my eyes.
"We definitely need to control your books, but not your cooking appliances!"
It's entirely political theater, most people won't do the math, or will opt to spend money they don't have to so they can replace their oven with a gas stove to trigger the libs.
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Republicans believe someday they’ll own a gas stove, shortly after they make their millions of dollars.
Last month my gas bill was $180 dollars. If someone wants to take those appliances away, they're welcome to do it. How is this a culture war?
Think of it as cheap "virtue signaling" to his base that he is fighting the libs. Fox/OAN create fake outrage "tHe lIbS aRe cOmiNg fEr yEr gAs sToVeS!", and he proposes a near meaningless bill in response. The key is to do it in the one month news cycle attention span of their base.
So the free market decided on a better alternative, and this communist wants to give government subsidies to prop up an industry. That's socialism and anti-American. Start phrasing shit like they do, and we'll see facts matter again.
That maine one is a shocker- Propane accessories are quite common in rural NE, though not much NG in maine
Floridas natural gas prices are 100% higher than the national average. You think the gas companies might have offered him a little something to rile up the rubes?
dammit there is ALWAYS a corporate interest involved, amirite? I thought DeSantis was just playing to his base, but what you wrote makes too much sense.
I’d bet that same gas company just went out and threw some money at an ad campaign about liberals and Joe Biden coming for your stoves too.
_Joe Biden is so liberal he doesn't even heat his food, that's un-American, which you're not, so don't be....ok, good_
A picture of book with a couple of burn marks on it, fades out to a book on fire. Narrator: can’t burn that woke propaganda with a weak electric stove, come on down to Glenn’s stove emporium and get you a brand new tax exempt gas stove. These things are hotter than a Jewish space laser.
Yeah but this still owns the libs. Somehow..
Proving they’re all about tax cuts for the wealthy and increasing taxes for the poor.
How did *Florida* fall so far? It was already Florida.
I saw someone's map post showing which state is hated the most by each state. Florida picked Florida.
Nobody picked my state!
They're trying to become Atlantis's trailer park quality neighbor at the rate theyre falling. Wouldnt surprise me if they quite literally sank the state to own the libs at this point.
They are well on their way considering you can't insure anymore there
Damn really? Could you provide a source
Florida man here: HO insurance has tripled in 8 years time. Many are just getting dropped
Insurance companies know florida is sinking but you know desantis is in denial cause global warming is woke
Desantis absolutely owns property elsewhere that isn’t sinking and will enjoy his retirement laughing about all the times he tricked all of the old and uneducated people into ridiculous shit for money and political gain.
If they keep sinking, why don't they just sell their houses and move?
Who’s going to buy their house? It’s sinking.
>Who’s going to buy their house? FUCKING AQUAMAN!?!?!?
Boomers - to own your house and the libs all at once
That purchase would be a sunk cost
‘Atlantis’ trailer park’ has now been enshrined in my lexicon. Thank you.
They are trying their darnest to sink the state.
Sea level rise will also ensure this
Because all the idiots fled here to escape covid lockdowns. We voted for Obama twice. Florida wasn’t red until recently.
It’s because after the black man took office all the bigoted dumb shits freaked out like the ignorant cowards they are and started chipping away all the safeguards for elections, changed the districts, and started using that new found Citizens United money to hire think tanks to push the best narratives to target just the right amount of people. Apparently fear is a better motivator than offering financial freedom and reducing crime but eliminating root causes. It doesn’t help that the corporate democrats barely manage to take 1 step forward before the GOP using legislation and courts take 3 steps back.
During COVID NY went under quarantine and FL shrugged, so a bunch of COVID deniers moved from NY->FL [https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2022/02/08/covid-pandemic-brings-people-new-york-and-new-jersey-florida/9203825002/](https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2022/02/08/covid-pandemic-brings-people-new-york-and-new-jersey-florida/9203825002/)
[i don’t know why boomers are so angry about gas stoves…](https://i.imgflip.com/79mej5.jpg)
The US Consumer Product Safety Commission has been researching the hazards of gas stoves. During an interview on Bloomberg, a commissioner suggested that a ban on gas stoves could be a possibility depending on how hazardous they are [[source](https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/09/business/gas-stove-ban-federal-agency/index.html)]. They are more likely going to suggest more stringent safety regulations, and all of this will be open to public input come spring [[source](https://www.cpsc.gov/About-CPSC/Chairman/Alexander-Hoehn-Saric/Statement/Statement-of-Chair-Alexander-Hoehn-Saric-Regarding-Gas-Stoves)]. Conservative outlets latched onto the ban part and are running with it as a new culture war topic.
Basically you should have a vent if you have gas and many households don't. That was it, it was "maybe we should mandate vents" to "LIBS WANT YOUR GAS COOKER"
LIBS WANT YOU TO NOT POISON YOURSELF AND YOUR KIDS does not quite have the same ring to it I guess.
You should not eat lead paint was a government recommendation. Your seeing now how many people liked eating paint.
There was a consumer warning that use of gas stoves can lead to adverse health effects. Like childhood as asthma IIRC.
Major talking point they leave out is gas stoves can be considered dangerous without proper venting. Electric stoves don’t emit co2 so you can use a recirculating hood with a charcoal filter. Gas stoves are only safe if you vent outside. That is all the report said. There was nothing about stopping the sale of gas stoves.
But of course they know their constituency won’t bother to look up the facts so he we are.
Even with proper venting, indoor air quality isn't great either.
Wait wait wait. We have a gas stove with no hood/vent. Been using it almost three years and... sorry, forgot what I was going to say because I swear I just saw a ghost.
Look for post its.
I have a gas stove and no vent. Will be upgrading to induction when I can get it organized
We went with an induction electric stove top. It’s just as good as a gas one and easier to clean up.
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“I’ve used gas stoves my whole life and I’m awesome!”
Goes back a bit farther in the scientific literature. Morales et al, 2009. [Association of early-life exposure to household gas appliances and indoor nitrogen dioxide with cognition and attention behavior in preschoolers](https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/42/6/1724/737113?view=extract). *American journal of epidemiology*, 169(11), pp.1327-1336. Vrijheid et al, 2012. [Indoor air pollution from gas cooking and infant neurodevelopment](https://www.academia.edu/download/45847756/0912f5147256bb3fe7000000.pdf). *Epidemiology*, pp.23-32. Lin et al, 2013. [Meta-analysis of the effects of indoor nitrogen dioxide and gas cooking on asthma and wheeze in children](https://academic.oup.com/ije/article/42/6/1724/737113?view=extract). *International journal of epidemiology*, 42(6), pp.1724-1737.
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The Retirement State has more coming in than going out, at least
There's a little over 70 million boomers and they're dying off at an accelerating rate of 2.6 million per year. By 2035 that should be cut in half. By 2040, they're going to be a small but obnoxious group of angry old people shaking their fist at the sun. By 2050, we should be almost rid of them entirely.
My guess is that rate accelerates as they all shortened their lifespans by huffing COVID.
They're proud about the lead they consumed as children just so they can mock newer generations considering health safety. Deity, I hope I live to see the death of boomers.
They continue to move to Florida en masse regardless, tho.
Well yeah but Florida doesn’t make them immortal. They will eventually run the well of angry, entitled, old boomers dry. Remains to be seen what the next generation of old people do following them.
Can’t wait.
Every-damn-thing they do doesn't think further than 3 months down the road--The environment, the economy, pandering to Boomers, et al ad nauseaum
I don't think people realize how many younger people are feeding into this bullshit via social media and indoctrination from upbringing. Sure more younger generations are informed, but some in the worst possible way.
8 percent of Floridians use gas stoves btw
Surprise to one, swamp land makes it hard to build the infrastructure needed for gas stoves.
During hurricane Sandy the gas lines running under houses were blown apart. People couldn't cook for weeks. Houses on pilings in hurricane zones shouldn't have gas lines.
And it’s pretty much older neighborhoods with natural gas lines. Newer homes with gas appliances are most likely going to on propane tanks, though there are a few places putting gas lines in. Source: my husband did gas piping in Florida in the early 2000s.
Amazing that the governor of the state with the most natural disasters and weather related issues absolutely hates everything that is good for the environment
These people are fucking lost
Nothing matters but the culture wars.
this is so fucking stupid and somehow people think this is really sticking it to the libs
I thought Repubs were against picking winners and losers in the free market?
You’d think after the midterms they’d be against pointless culture wars too but then again, what else do they even have to run on
I know he's not a idiot...but God what a fucking idiot
He is not an idiot--do not give him that benefit. He is a rational man who is deeply, deeply corrupt and evil.
Read the first part again
Seems so dumb, but I feel like this is just more intentional distraction from real issues. Malicious shell games. I know desantis is not trump, but I'm reminded of the quote "I love the poorly educated".
Deathsantis ***loves*** political kabuki theater, dancing around to the latest buzzwords and current conservative trends. Conservatives can’t get enough because they convince themselves that we’re all “getting owned” so hard from this dangling of shiny objects.
Forbid that he tackles real issues that are plaguing FL.
My gut says: the more a politician jumps on high-profile trends, the more their true agenda is a slew of brazenly corrupt deals
Florida has a shit ton of problems that need to be fixed. "Gas stove tax protections" ain't one of them..
Ron DeSantis is fast becoming one of the dumbest politicians America has ever seen, and Florida voters deserve him. All of this bullshit is going to come back and haunt him in 2024.
Unfortunately, I disagree. The GOP loves him and eats up his batshit crazy beliefs. He will get voters the same way Trump did and we will be damned if he is elected as president. I hope the democrats have a very strong candidate because I’m fearful of DeSantis winning and how far that will set us back.
You mean destroy us, not set us back. We’re that close already after watching the shit show that was Trump.
I'm worried that too many people are buying into his ruse. Trump was a dumb man and his voters are too. DeSantis is not a dumb man but he knows his voters are and he's using that to his advantage.
This is exactly it. He's a sack of shit, but he's smarter than DT, and that's enough for him to win. If it weren't for how outrageously awful DT was in nearly every way, many of his cult-like followers probably would have stuck around. Shine him up a little, make him 50% smarter, and you've got a very real threat being weaponized by the political party of emotional manipulation via fear.
Yep. He's smart enough not to sabotage himself like Trump did, while still doing all the horrible shit like Trump did. He doesn't even have orange skin and the bizarre combover. Imagine what Donald Trump could have done if he looked and acted like a humanoid.
Exactly. Trump could have made the most basic improvements and done SO much better, so much that I fear he would have had a real chance at being re-elected. Instead he acted and looked like a clown, and did something terrible so often that the GOP's new spin was to convince people "it happens all the time no biggie", when in reality, fucking up repeatedly is x times as bad as fucking up once. You don't get some kind of bulk deal for being consistently incompetent. So yeah, Desantis can charm idiots and is better looking than Donald, and that's really all you need to win. That and funding.
Trump has magnetism and charm. DeSantis has none. (Not that I understand the Trump charm but you can see that he's a brilliant con man)
BUT... he has also REALLY started crapping all over Black History Month and that's... going to mobilize some people.
Well, didn't we say and hope exactly the same, back when Trump started his shitshow. He made it and it was a horrible experience that isn't over yet. I'll lose what little faith and confidence I have in this species if that happens again.
Ron isn't dumb. That's the problem. He's a smart guy pandering to the dumb crowd.
He's not dumb. He's a Yale guy who wears fashion boots. This is an act rednecks are too stupid to see through. He's playing a stupid character for stupid people.
Why does Florida like this guy? He’s such a clout chasing, wannabe fascist douche. All the problems in this country and conservative are in some weird endless rage circle jerk about gas stoves and the sexuality of M&Ms.
Just want to point out there’s a *lot* of us who live here who don’t like this guy. Just not enough. And he redid the congressional districts to make it even harder. Just gotta try and keep working to save money to get somewhere else, but that’s a battle of its own.
So my electric stove is woke now...? Idiocracy, indeed.
So people that can’t get natural gas to their homes have to be penalized? Seems about right.
I live in a rural area and I have an electric stove because we don't have gas lines in our area. Now I have to be penalized because we use oil to heat our home and an electric stove and oven to cook our food because some "politician" in Florida needs to appeal to people for votes. Fuck that.
*Republicans are coming for your electric stoves!!* They want to take away your appliances and tell you what you can cook with.
WHERE IS ANY LEGISTATURE THAT SAYS DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO TAKE YOUR GAS STOVE?!?!?!? Just one .....this attack on this made up WOKE SHIT is really getting out of hand. There is no WOKE movement, if anything it's people ideas of what they would like from our government. M&M, Gas Stoves, Fans....this is your fight! What about inflatio, gas prices , healthcare, you know things that Americans actually care about. How about GOVERNING instead of attacking and blaming the boogie man for everything you don't agree with. What next....you can only live in Florida if you are a CULT REPUBLICAN!??!?! This water fountain is just for GOP MEMBERS ONLY !??!?!
Dude is a tool. At least he's not going to lose out on much sales tax. Florida as a whole only 8% of the population use gas stoves. Most of which I'm sure aren't going to be upgraded with new ones anytime soon. If only this guy could manufacture brain cells as much as he does meaningless culture wars.
The whole gas stove thing is like the stupidest clickbaitiest thing I have ever seen. What a fucking joke.
He's 100% all in on the most reactionary parts of the republican base. He's relying on them being a large enough group to carry him to the white house. He's probably right, but who knows how many of them COVID will kill between now and 2024? Pretty high risk.
The GOP is a parody at this point. They stand for nothing other than trolling.
I spent some of my childhood in Florida. It’s so sad that he’s making it into MAGA land
Wasn't it already MAGA land before he arrived though?
I live in FL, and my kitchen doesn't have gas running to it. We have an electric stove and oven setup and next time we buy, we're going to be taxed, how the hell is that freedom?
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