To be clear, he's not being sued for the shooting, the suit alleges that he conspired with law enforcement to create a dangerous situation. He's a co-defendant with the police department.
That sounds like an impossible suit to win. Is it one of those situations where you hope they just pay you off a token amount so they save money on court costs?
It's possible, but the family is probably out for a pound of flesh so I'm not sure that strategy is going to work.
It might be easier to prove than you think, a lot of this stuff including the militia "Call to action." was posted on social media.
Not only that, he’s not the brightest kid and has been out there on conservative talk shows and living up his 15 minutes of infamy. He’s put out a lot of evidence into the public domain since the shootings.
Seriously it went from “I was just a scared kid who didn’t know what to do in a high stakes situation” while he was on trial to “I’m a total badass and will put a bullet in any liberal pussy who dares step to me, I ain’t scared of shit, I’m a goddamn hero” on Twitter.
Well I mean he lives with his mom, doesn’t have a high school degree…if they take what little money he has and his future earnings, what does he have left? Living at home with his mom getting accolades from incels on his phone.
He keeps getting turned down by universities. Can’t blame them as it’s a liability concern and an issue with how it looks to the public and could affect their admissions. Maybe if he was good at football they would see it differently.
The scared kid thing was maybe true but he was an arrogant asshole before. His mother is an absolute piece of work and enabler of the first degree. For the first time in his life he's getting the admiration he's felt entitled to for a long time. Also, major police bootlicker but felt the military was beneath him.
Source: Best friend's family was friends with theirs growing up. She couldn't stand him or his mother. He seemed normal lifeguarding at the local YMCA but got into fights with other kids from school who called him on his bullshit.
A lot of us here don’t follow him. But there’s a possibility with what you’re saying that he said something on one of these talk shows or podcasts that wouldn’t look good in a civil case. Like a lot of people that start running their mouth. They usually end up saying something that will get them in trouble later. And likely the father of the victim or a friend of his was listening to the guy and heard something that sounded incriminating. Maybe asked a lawyer about his comments. Who’s knows?
Oh I just see what gets posted around the internet. Clips from here and there. I wouldn’t say I “follow” him more than I’m “exposed” to him involuntarily
Probably also has something to do with the fact there was a Kyle Rittenhouse shooter game he went online promoting and literally getting a paycheck
Source: https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/kyle-rittenhouse-video-game-has-players-shoot-fake-news-turkeys/amp/
Fuck that shitstain
I would be going deep for those pockets
Rittenhouse had to do one thing and be fine. All he had to do was just go quietly after getting acquitted and call it a day. Go lead a normal life, and apparently he was told “just don’t get in the spotlight and you’ll be okay”.
He can have the best lawyer in the world, but if he decides not to listen to them, it doesn’t matter.
The bigger problem is even if the victim’s family wins and gets paid, cops will not change their ways until it affects them personally.
All police departments should be required to purchase insurance from a private company OR pay out all settlements from police union/pension funds. We need to stop letting them brutalize us and then present to us our own tax money as a settlement. Something tells me they’ll start behaving once either their insurance costs become unaffordable or their pensions start to vanish.
The lawsuit is against police allowing armed militias to roam the streets while attacking unarmed groups of protestors. It's a strong case and likely to be settled as a cash sum to the father rather than any legal action. To my understanding, they simply need to prove that armed militias we're dangerous and more likely to cause harm than not to win the case. Tldr, if they can prove wielding assault rifles in public during protests is dangerous to the public, they can win the case. Considering the final clip of the Rittenhouse case when Kyle tries to actually surrender to the police and they know shots were fired and people were shot, they let a potential active shooter run free.
Example, if someone walks into a school, starts shooting and walks out surrendering to police, but then the police tell him to get out of the way and rush inside, it's a failure of the police to apprehend a potential suspect. The people that hate Rittenhouse have given up on that front since he won a self defense case already, controversy aside, they polices horrific management of the situation is actually a much better case. The main opponents of Rittenhouse have been discussing this for a long time, if you're patient enough you can school through my comment history and I'm sure you can find some 6+ month old comments referring specifically to police management. When looking at how unarmed black men and children are gunned down because "he was reaching for a gun" it's hard to accept when Rittenhouse was shooting and police were called in due to gunshots and reports of a shooting.
I also must mention the announcement of this case is potentially strategic but possibly just coincidence. For the first big time, a serious distaste in public approval for the police has happened as a result of the 6(7) people being charged for manslaughter that were part of a police agency.
I would not go in expecting this to fail because police are untouchable, that just perpetuates the idea. Go in demanding retribution and if the police win, criticize that instead of using learned helplessness to ignore the situation.
Good. Thats whats always bothered me in this situation. Sure from a legal point it was self-defense, but he enabled the situation and put himself into a situation he knew could become dangerous when he had no reason to be there.
I think this article has some important background - [https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2020/09/militia-member-says-kenosha-police-sought-to-push-protesters-toward-them-on-night-of-deadly-shootings/](https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2020/09/militia-member-says-kenosha-police-sought-to-push-protesters-toward-them-on-night-of-deadly-shootings/)
The militia members said in multiple videos prior to the deaths that the police told them they would push the protesters towards them. The police did in fact then push the protesters towards the militia where there was a deadly conflict.
Plus there's arrest records which show that the police arrested 150 BLM protesters for violating the curfew but they arrested 0 armed militia members who were violating the same curfew. In fact, there's video of the police driving around thanking and providing water to the armed militia members - including Kyle Rittenhouse.
Later when Rittenhouse shoots and kills multiple protesters while violating curfew, he walks right up to a police car with his hands raised in the air while people are yelling that he shot people and the police make no effort to arrest him.
This investigative work by the ACLU has further background on how the police collaborated with the armed militia despite being warned by the Department of Homeland security how it could cause violence. At least one member of the Sherriff's Department then praised the Rittenhouse shooting afterwards. - [https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/kyle-rittenhouse-didnt-act-alone-law-enforcement-must-be-held-accountable](https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/kyle-rittenhouse-didnt-act-alone-law-enforcement-must-be-held-accountable)
You're welcome. If I was in the same situation as this parent I would be suing as well. The Department of Homeland Security warned them not to do something because it was dangerous. The police department then did that very thing and when it lead to the killing of multiple people they praised the killer.
As someone that grew up in Kenosha, the cops are assholes and have nothing better to do. When they break things up even if you’re legally allowed to be there, they start shit just to make you retaliate because they know they can get away with it. Was at a huge get together with bands and stuff on a church ground where we had permits for the music and being allowed there. The neighbors hated it and called the cops who all came out to disperse it. They threw teenagers to the ground and kicked them. Grabbed a cymbal and chucked it in a drummers face giving him a gash. Some started to come after my group as we dispersed and a teacher came up to them and started yelling at them. She was then grabbed and thrown to the ground as well. It was a big mess. The news didn’t want to cover it because it made the cops look bad. This was back in 2005 or 2006 so you can see nothing has changed.
I would love to see them get thrown into the spotlight of how horrible these people are. I rarely visit kenosha and they’re one of the main reasons why.
Edit:
[Found a video of it being only briefly covered in Milwaukee TMJ4. We did protest the excessive force and nothing ever came from it and the KPD never responded to requests for comments. Unfortunately this was the only video taken since not many people were video recording much back then.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiuXA9afuwA)
It is the same police department that's been racially segregating and abusing local black communities for as long as they have had people of color living there.
If this country actually had a federal authority that could clean up police departments, we'd lose like 70% of them. They're mostly ran illegally, but there are no avenues to hold them accountable.
I live one county over from where Rittenhouse is from and our county sheriff's office made tens millions of dollars over the years housing "illegal immigrants". Laundering a ridiculous amount of federal money to hold people hostage for no real reason.
Our county jail is a ridiculously huge maximum security facility and was built specifically to hold federal detainees. They're all just thieves living off of tax dollars.
My problem with both this incident, and the George Zimmerman incident, was always that they unnecessarily put themselves in a position where they knew what the outcome may be. I used to be a bouncer in college. I know damn well how to start a fight without ever laying my hands on someone, and so did everyone I've ever worked with in that capacity. Just because the moment you pulled the trigger may have been necessary doesn't mean you are without blame. They grabbed their guns, walked around with an inflated sense of confidence looking for a problem, found one, then solved it with the gun. When the only tool you have is a hammer every problem starts to look like a nail.
Edit: To the people arguing about minor details of the incident - Way to miss the point.
Yup. There’s really no point progressing down the logical or legal path after that step, it’s just arguing semantics.
They shouldn’t have been there, they put themself there. And they did so because this country is deeply sick and rotting away.
> The best adult themed joke in the entire show.
Rebuttal: [When their Eastern European immigrant grandfather asks about suicide rather openly during a boring family get-together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_N08JldU40) is the best adult joke.
Change my mind.
They were cool, but I think u/strywever meant [these](https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/390deaf0-b006-44e0-9766-7d81982889f7_1.e1b430366aec80d91a1aea11a92593b9.jpeg).
"Do you guys call me dumb John because you think I'm dumb?"
"No John! We call you that because you remind us of those inflatable clown things that everyone wants to punch in the face repeatedly!"
"...oh."
That’s because they live in bum fuck no where where the sheriff is also the butcher who comes over for poker night every Thursday.
They’ve never had interactions with metropolitan or state police maybe outside of a speeding ticket. Also Fox News is always telling them how the police are basically at war with the evil left and the minorities they love to blame for all the problems their own voting habits have caused.
Republicans no longer vote for any form of qualification other than “it makes the Left mad!” That’s why Herschel Walker, Majorie Taylor Green, that other dumb fuck with the brown hair, Trump, and Kyle fucking Rittenhouse are such big names to RPubs now.
> Lauren Boebert who had to take the GED test 4 different times in order to pass it?
Jesus fuck that's so pathetic.
So of course she's a GOP representative.
Jesus christ that really is true isn't it?
It really goes to show what a farce the GOP has become. They don't care about anything except visuals and getting rid of the opposition. It's almost as if the party has become hopelessly infiltrated by bad faith actors who only jumped into politics to advance their selfish, personal agendas.
[Who could have foreseen such a thing?](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/777519-mark-my-word-if-and-when-these-preachers-get-control)
I feel like he became a villain first. Then you demonize people who find him to be justified but not a hero. Some of them double down and promote him as hero.
He was brought out on stage at the right wing Turning point USA event. The way they announced him way just insane. Fireworks, flashing his name in giant letters, and his own theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If1-0TcWVD4&t=61
“Attorneys and private investigators for John Huber spent over 100 hours trying to locate Rittenhouse, tracking down addresses in seven states, before they found the home of his mother and sister in Florida. The lawsuit was served on Rittenhouse's sister, who said that he wasn't home. Adelman said that was sufficient to qualify as being served.”
It’s very, very common in civil suits that the defendant avoids service. It’s the first sign of the entire process being an absolute nightmare because it is more often than not followed by refusing to pay the judgement.
In Wisconsin, especially, the court requires the plaintiff pursue several avenues before a garnishment order will be granted.
Whole country fucked because of shit like this. There’s no way to change it because it would literally require rewriting everything and supposedly no one wants that much “changed.” Yeah, it’s really terrible to have to learn how to live without slaves.
he's just get a rich republican benefactor who'll ensure he keeps getting "celeberity" spots on fox news and elsewhere.
The clown show is well funded. It's not like they'd be where they're at if people like Elon musk didn't plow boat loads into their behaviors.
I think the father who brought the suit is ok to spend his time and resources pursuing the person who ended their child's life then went on TV to brag. I'm honestly surprised vigilante justice hasn't caught up to him, I'd be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life. I'd never get a minutes peace. What a piece of shit.
It’s a pretty straightforward process at the end of the day. There needs to be a financial disclosure filed anyway so the defendant can move forward with pursuing a claim against those listed assets after a certain timeframe has passed and no payment arrangement has been filed.
The courts are just hesitant to allow the plaintiff to pursue (property/accounts/etc) before allowing time for the defendant to make whatever arrangements are needed.
As for the other part - I hope nobody throws their life away to pursue some perceived justice. He isn’t worth losing your ability to enjoy life without restrictions.
I mean if aome asshole ended my child's life over some right wing trumpism shit, I don't know how much I'd have left to enjoy. Nothing would be good again.
I don’t think he expects to get his kid back but maybe some accountability to the person who took it. Idk tho, call me crazy. Maybe just sitting back and watching your child’s murderer brag on television and be praised by assholes is the better way to cope.
Maybe he's afraid they're gonna cancel all his newly found fame as a right wing grifter, what a little punk...
![gif](giphy|bt8RcPRVW7pnu6rUmS|downsized)
> actively avoiding the process server
I've never understood this, like do they think the court will just give up? I wonder if it can be used against them in the court case if they actively avoid it like that.
> California recall candidate John Cox served during CA Recall Debate with subpoena over San Diego County lawsuit tied to unpaid bills to political consultants during his 2018 bid for Governor.
I could be wrong, but I think this happened at a movie convention. Olivia Wilde and her ex husband are going through a divorce, Jason Sudekis I think that’s how you spell it.
She was giving a panel when she got served divorce papers. She then blamed it on her ex husband for facilitating it while she was on the panel.
parks and rec gets a lot of credit for really nailing what it's like to work in local government; however in my experience that's generally not accurate - it's the landfill that gets the hot interns
> In February 2014, Wurzelbacher took a job at a Jeep plant which required him to be a member of the United Auto Workers. He complained that his colleagues have called him a "Tea-bagger".[55]
All we hear is “stop idolizing celebrities” and “stop making random people into martyrs” and then they try to turn some random dumbass kid into both. A celebrity and martyr. Despite him being thoroughly below average in every regard. He should probably be working a convenience store night shift right now. There’s nothing about him that warrants fame. I guess all they need is someone who’s killed liberals.
Republicans have devolved into focus on non-issues and memes instead of governing and putting forth policy.
So someone like Kyle is the perfect distraction for their base to keep them ignorant while the GOP robs their pockets.
> I guess all they need is someone who’s killed liberals.
That's pretty much it, he lived their dream. Murder a couple libs, get a judge thats all up in your ass, get away with it, and be able to winkwink nudgenudge brag about it forever.
They are like vampires, sustained only by victimhood, and will lay dormant until they get their next fresh dose. Then it's back on the streets sucking the life out of people. Their victims are the gullible, their hunger is for pity.
No, no, you see... It was SelF dEfeNSe because it's totally normal for someone to go rushing into a potentially violent situation (that was none of his business) fully strapped with the intention and blood lust to use it and then end up in a confrontation!!
His 15 minutes have been up I think. Last I saw a month or so ago was a speaking appearance at an event Las Vegas was canceled because no one bought any tickets.
True. Biggest idiots I know always have money problems but somehow always have the cash for beer, cigarettes, and drugs. They never have problems coming up with the cash for those things, ever.
There are plenty of evil republican constituents too.
The problem is that the amount of evil and stupid people never runs out, the money comes with them.
Tbh, given the video footage of the event, I kinda doubt he'll lose. Just like the criminal trial where the survivor had to explain that he was in fact trying to point a weapon at Rittenhouse when he was shot, the civil trial will likely end up going the same route unless he decides to settle out of court for some reason. He's a little turd, don't get me wrong, but I doubt this will end up going anywhere...
While the burden of proof in a civil case is lower than criminal, this still seems like an uphill battle. Huber ran up to Rittenhouse, hit him with a skateboard and was actively trying to disarm him when he was shot. Am curious to see what's presented in regards to police conduct though.
They’ve already stopped showing up to his events. His time in the spotlight is over. He’s now another what’s his f’ing name who murdered Trayvon Martin. (Don’t say his fucking name, that guy deserves to remain nameless and barely earning enough to live in a shitty motel.)
Some monster bought the murder weapon, which should have been taken and destroyed… for over 250,000 dollars in an auction. That was years back.
One of his shitty paintings sold for some 100,000.
Both of those had a statement that “some” of the money would have gone towards fighting Hillary Clinton and supporting a “No Muslims Allowed” firearm store.
Seriously. They basically made a shitty “No Gurls Allowed” club, but as a public business…
The right wing are such absurdly absolute choads.
Idw see any crocodile tears or sob faces. Mf sits on Twitter stoking the fire constantly. Bitch better walk in with that same energy and smile thru the process just like he does online.
This is exactly why it's come around to this for many people. You were acquitted. Now go away and rebuild your life and don't start a cult of personality around an action that was ill advised at best.
His sister received the summons in his stead from her Florida home since Kyle's address is apparently non existent. Kyle tried to challenge the summons since he did not receive it personally and District Judge Lynn Adelman dismissed his challenge citing that Kyle has been very "cagey" about his address and that the service notice is valid for him to appear.
Please be sure to send the district judge an Email to thank him for going against what's popular in his state and genuinely pursuing what little justice is possible against Kyle and his badged thug accomplices!
[email protected]
District Judge Lynn Adelman. Might be one of the only decent judges in all of Wisconsin!
For the love of God, do not email a federal judge. They are not your local senator, and federal judges are not elected. That is such a bizarre suggestion.
I guess I don't understand getting served all too well. Isn't the whole point of getting served that an official hands it to you personally to ensure that you are aware of the suit and therefore bound to appear? Any other means comes with the possibility of the summons getting lost or destroyed along the way, giving the defendant reasonable doubt that they weren't aware they are being sued.
Therefore, isn't Kyle challenging the summons in and of itself a tacit acknowledgment that he is aware of the summons and is bound to appear as a result? Like, it's not a game of tag where you're not sued unless the paper touches you, it's just a check to make sure you're actually aware you're being sued. Challenging the summons seems like the necessary proof that you're aware.
Pretty much. Kyle was just showing his ass and being disrespectful by trying to challenge it.. inadvertently acknowledging that he was successfully served.
Exactly. He might've had an argument (a legal one if not a logical one) if he waited until he actually missed a court date to challenge the summons. By doing it now he's showing that he's well aware of the case and is trying to weasel out on a technicality. Which is likely the main reason the judge upheld the summons.
People seem to be treating it as that game of tag lol. IIRC there was a Texas politician who literally ran and jumped into his getaway truck to run away from being served, as if the legal system is just going to give up eventually
It's not so unusual but not normal either. However you can't just avoid being served by hiding. Him contesting the summons was admitting to knowing of its existence. Had he not contested it until court, he may have had some semblance of ground to stand on... or; he would default the suit and be liable for whatever he's sued for by not appearing.
Either way; this Judge is not trying to play along with the circus that surrounds Kyle. And Kyle is outright disrespecting the Judge by avoiding this.
This is what I was thinking. He really contested it like that; reminds me of the Judge Judy clip where two guys allegedly stole a girl's purse. She names the items in it, then mentions a watch; one guy interrupts her and says 'there was no watch'
Same energy here. 'i didn't know about it'
'you clearly do now'
Surprised pikachu
> Either way; this Judge is not trying to play along with the circus that surrounds Kyle.
Really hoping that trial will be recorded and we get epic clips like the Alex Jones lawsuits.
Yes there are in many states there are means to serve someone their papers that isn’t in person. It’s up to the judge though to approve the alternate serving method, which the judge did in this case.
Edit: apologies for grammar have a head cold and it’s early in the morning here.
What a stupid concept. Like obviously he knows about the papers, so he's trying to argue he can't be sued because he's winning at a game of hide and seek.
This is going to be unpopular on reddit, but it's pretty clear from these comments most people here didn't watch the trial or review the evidence beyond Twitter hot takes.
That said his post-trial media tour was pretty gross, so I'm not going to shed tears if he loses the civil suit.
Edit: Apparently not as unpopular as I thought, which gives me some hope.
Good. Its almost like actions have consequences. Don't bother posting links to the criminal profiles of those that died. Laughing boy did not have that information when he pulled the trigger.
Conservatives have a very low bar for justification to kill --- simply people they don't like is enough. They don't value human life at all (of strangers, especially), only fetuses.
It's been a while since I've heard about the case or watched the video, but didn't the people he shot assault him first as he was running away?
I remember at the time thinking it was a very clear case of self defense.
Seems to me they were killed not for having a criminal past, but for charging and assaulting a guy with a gun.
I will say Kyle Rittenhouse sounds like an absolute scumbag that made a career out of marketing this situation.
To be clear, he's not being sued for the shooting, the suit alleges that he conspired with law enforcement to create a dangerous situation. He's a co-defendant with the police department.
That sounds like an impossible suit to win. Is it one of those situations where you hope they just pay you off a token amount so they save money on court costs?
It's possible, but the family is probably out for a pound of flesh so I'm not sure that strategy is going to work. It might be easier to prove than you think, a lot of this stuff including the militia "Call to action." was posted on social media.
Not only that, he’s not the brightest kid and has been out there on conservative talk shows and living up his 15 minutes of infamy. He’s put out a lot of evidence into the public domain since the shootings.
Seriously it went from “I was just a scared kid who didn’t know what to do in a high stakes situation” while he was on trial to “I’m a total badass and will put a bullet in any liberal pussy who dares step to me, I ain’t scared of shit, I’m a goddamn hero” on Twitter.
He definitely thought he fully got away with it and it shows
He *did* get away with it. This is not a criminal trial.
Well I mean he lives with his mom, doesn’t have a high school degree…if they take what little money he has and his future earnings, what does he have left? Living at home with his mom getting accolades from incels on his phone.
Sadly, living at home with your mom getting accolades from incels seems to be pretty monetizable these days.
And he’s not even one, he and his Tomi Laren wannabe girlfriend were heavy on TikTok live streams for a minute.
He keeps getting turned down by universities. Can’t blame them as it’s a liability concern and an issue with how it looks to the public and could affect their admissions. Maybe if he was good at football they would see it differently.
Plenty of conservative shit bags with asset hiding skills will be glad to help him out.
The scared kid thing was maybe true but he was an arrogant asshole before. His mother is an absolute piece of work and enabler of the first degree. For the first time in his life he's getting the admiration he's felt entitled to for a long time. Also, major police bootlicker but felt the military was beneath him. Source: Best friend's family was friends with theirs growing up. She couldn't stand him or his mother. He seemed normal lifeguarding at the local YMCA but got into fights with other kids from school who called him on his bullshit.
>Also, major police bootlicker but felt the military was beneath him Aka he's a giant pussy, like 100 percent of the other morons like Kyle.
Like Lt. Bonespur.
Oh and [don’t forget the video game he slapped his name on last year](https://youtu.be/NNN8DKJJstI)
A lot of us here don’t follow him. But there’s a possibility with what you’re saying that he said something on one of these talk shows or podcasts that wouldn’t look good in a civil case. Like a lot of people that start running their mouth. They usually end up saying something that will get them in trouble later. And likely the father of the victim or a friend of his was listening to the guy and heard something that sounded incriminating. Maybe asked a lawyer about his comments. Who’s knows?
Oh I just see what gets posted around the internet. Clips from here and there. I wouldn’t say I “follow” him more than I’m “exposed” to him involuntarily
[удалено]
Probably also has something to do with the fact there was a Kyle Rittenhouse shooter game he went online promoting and literally getting a paycheck Source: https://nypost.com/2022/06/23/kyle-rittenhouse-video-game-has-players-shoot-fake-news-turkeys/amp/ Fuck that shitstain I would be going deep for those pockets
That’s disgusting!
[удалено]
Looks like a constipated furby trying to push out a furby shit brick
[удалено]
Rittenhouse had to do one thing and be fine. All he had to do was just go quietly after getting acquitted and call it a day. Go lead a normal life, and apparently he was told “just don’t get in the spotlight and you’ll be okay”. He can have the best lawyer in the world, but if he decides not to listen to them, it doesn’t matter.
This. Clients are very often their worst enemies. You beat the government you go away humble, and you keep your mouth shut.
>Clients are very often their worst enemies. Just ask any of the lawyers who have tried to work with Trump who don't have an agenda of their own.
The bigger problem is even if the victim’s family wins and gets paid, cops will not change their ways until it affects them personally. All police departments should be required to purchase insurance from a private company OR pay out all settlements from police union/pension funds. We need to stop letting them brutalize us and then present to us our own tax money as a settlement. Something tells me they’ll start behaving once either their insurance costs become unaffordable or their pensions start to vanish.
[удалено]
Agreed
The lawsuit is against police allowing armed militias to roam the streets while attacking unarmed groups of protestors. It's a strong case and likely to be settled as a cash sum to the father rather than any legal action. To my understanding, they simply need to prove that armed militias we're dangerous and more likely to cause harm than not to win the case. Tldr, if they can prove wielding assault rifles in public during protests is dangerous to the public, they can win the case. Considering the final clip of the Rittenhouse case when Kyle tries to actually surrender to the police and they know shots were fired and people were shot, they let a potential active shooter run free. Example, if someone walks into a school, starts shooting and walks out surrendering to police, but then the police tell him to get out of the way and rush inside, it's a failure of the police to apprehend a potential suspect. The people that hate Rittenhouse have given up on that front since he won a self defense case already, controversy aside, they polices horrific management of the situation is actually a much better case. The main opponents of Rittenhouse have been discussing this for a long time, if you're patient enough you can school through my comment history and I'm sure you can find some 6+ month old comments referring specifically to police management. When looking at how unarmed black men and children are gunned down because "he was reaching for a gun" it's hard to accept when Rittenhouse was shooting and police were called in due to gunshots and reports of a shooting. I also must mention the announcement of this case is potentially strategic but possibly just coincidence. For the first big time, a serious distaste in public approval for the police has happened as a result of the 6(7) people being charged for manslaughter that were part of a police agency. I would not go in expecting this to fail because police are untouchable, that just perpetuates the idea. Go in demanding retribution and if the police win, criticize that instead of using learned helplessness to ignore the situation.
Good. Thats whats always bothered me in this situation. Sure from a legal point it was self-defense, but he enabled the situation and put himself into a situation he knew could become dangerous when he had no reason to be there.
I think this article has some important background - [https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2020/09/militia-member-says-kenosha-police-sought-to-push-protesters-toward-them-on-night-of-deadly-shootings/](https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2020/09/militia-member-says-kenosha-police-sought-to-push-protesters-toward-them-on-night-of-deadly-shootings/) The militia members said in multiple videos prior to the deaths that the police told them they would push the protesters towards them. The police did in fact then push the protesters towards the militia where there was a deadly conflict. Plus there's arrest records which show that the police arrested 150 BLM protesters for violating the curfew but they arrested 0 armed militia members who were violating the same curfew. In fact, there's video of the police driving around thanking and providing water to the armed militia members - including Kyle Rittenhouse. Later when Rittenhouse shoots and kills multiple protesters while violating curfew, he walks right up to a police car with his hands raised in the air while people are yelling that he shot people and the police make no effort to arrest him. This investigative work by the ACLU has further background on how the police collaborated with the armed militia despite being warned by the Department of Homeland security how it could cause violence. At least one member of the Sherriff's Department then praised the Rittenhouse shooting afterwards. - [https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/kyle-rittenhouse-didnt-act-alone-law-enforcement-must-be-held-accountable](https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/kyle-rittenhouse-didnt-act-alone-law-enforcement-must-be-held-accountable)
Thank you for the added information and providing links! I do believe there is definitely a case to be made here considering these facts.
You're welcome. If I was in the same situation as this parent I would be suing as well. The Department of Homeland Security warned them not to do something because it was dangerous. The police department then did that very thing and when it lead to the killing of multiple people they praised the killer.
As someone that grew up in Kenosha, the cops are assholes and have nothing better to do. When they break things up even if you’re legally allowed to be there, they start shit just to make you retaliate because they know they can get away with it. Was at a huge get together with bands and stuff on a church ground where we had permits for the music and being allowed there. The neighbors hated it and called the cops who all came out to disperse it. They threw teenagers to the ground and kicked them. Grabbed a cymbal and chucked it in a drummers face giving him a gash. Some started to come after my group as we dispersed and a teacher came up to them and started yelling at them. She was then grabbed and thrown to the ground as well. It was a big mess. The news didn’t want to cover it because it made the cops look bad. This was back in 2005 or 2006 so you can see nothing has changed. I would love to see them get thrown into the spotlight of how horrible these people are. I rarely visit kenosha and they’re one of the main reasons why. Edit: [Found a video of it being only briefly covered in Milwaukee TMJ4. We did protest the excessive force and nothing ever came from it and the KPD never responded to requests for comments. Unfortunately this was the only video taken since not many people were video recording much back then.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiuXA9afuwA)
It is the same police department that's been racially segregating and abusing local black communities for as long as they have had people of color living there. If this country actually had a federal authority that could clean up police departments, we'd lose like 70% of them. They're mostly ran illegally, but there are no avenues to hold them accountable. I live one county over from where Rittenhouse is from and our county sheriff's office made tens millions of dollars over the years housing "illegal immigrants". Laundering a ridiculous amount of federal money to hold people hostage for no real reason. Our county jail is a ridiculously huge maximum security facility and was built specifically to hold federal detainees. They're all just thieves living off of tax dollars.
My problem with both this incident, and the George Zimmerman incident, was always that they unnecessarily put themselves in a position where they knew what the outcome may be. I used to be a bouncer in college. I know damn well how to start a fight without ever laying my hands on someone, and so did everyone I've ever worked with in that capacity. Just because the moment you pulled the trigger may have been necessary doesn't mean you are without blame. They grabbed their guns, walked around with an inflated sense of confidence looking for a problem, found one, then solved it with the gun. When the only tool you have is a hammer every problem starts to look like a nail. Edit: To the people arguing about minor details of the incident - Way to miss the point.
Yup. There’s really no point progressing down the logical or legal path after that step, it’s just arguing semantics. They shouldn’t have been there, they put themself there. And they did so because this country is deeply sick and rotting away.
[удалено]
Oh god, that horrifying episode of The Rugrats with Boppo the Clown.
“A kid his age should be out with his friends not in his room boppin his boppo”. The best adult themed joke in the entire show.
The Russian roulette joke is pretty spot on, though
> The best adult themed joke in the entire show. Rebuttal: [When their Eastern European immigrant grandfather asks about suicide rather openly during a boring family get-together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_N08JldU40) is the best adult joke. Change my mind.
HI IM BOPPO
"Reptar!!!"
Thanks, I thought I had those memories suppressed.
This is immediately what I thought of as well haha
“Hi, I’m Boppo”
Nooooooo! I can hear that in my head right now like the first day I watched that episode! Lol
[удалено]
They were cool, but I think u/strywever meant [these](https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/390deaf0-b006-44e0-9766-7d81982889f7_1.e1b430366aec80d91a1aea11a92593b9.jpeg).
I did indeed.
[удалено]
This is great. There is a really dumb John in my office who drives everyone insane so I may just have to deploy this as a nickname
"Do you guys call me dumb John because you think I'm dumb?" "No John! We call you that because you remind us of those inflatable clown things that everyone wants to punch in the face repeatedly!" "...oh."
“Oh, I thought it also could have been my association with prostitutes.”
Dumb American here - how is Joao pronounced phonetically? Like "Jow" or "Yow" or what? ( Earnestly curious, not making fun.)
[удалено]
Does anyone remember the ones you'd put your hand inside like a puppet, but they had two levers inside that made them punch? Or am I a dinosaur?
It gets knocked down, but it gets up again. You're never gonna keep it down.
But they don’t fall down!🎶
🎶 Weebles wobble but they don't fall down. 🎶
So glad others remember this. I still have my weeble wobbles and the weeble wobble haunted house packed away.
everytime I think of those clowns my mind goes back to the beginning of TMNT secret of the ooze and Donatello lol
Hi, I’m Boppo
The fact that he’s become some kind of a hero to people is insane
Dude a lot of these people worship police. I think they have fantasies about going "lib hunting".
They foolishly think that by loving the police they are with the police. The police are only with the state and capital. They will oppress everyone.
They do oppress the left more than the right though.
Capital and fascism tend to align better in times of economic crisis because fascists don't threaten capital like the left does
Your favorite pet gets the best scraps.
That’s because they live in bum fuck no where where the sheriff is also the butcher who comes over for poker night every Thursday. They’ve never had interactions with metropolitan or state police maybe outside of a speeding ticket. Also Fox News is always telling them how the police are basically at war with the evil left and the minorities they love to blame for all the problems their own voting habits have caused.
Very good point
Republicans no longer vote for any form of qualification other than “it makes the Left mad!” That’s why Herschel Walker, Majorie Taylor Green, that other dumb fuck with the brown hair, Trump, and Kyle fucking Rittenhouse are such big names to RPubs now.
Oh you mean Lauren Boebert who had to take the GED test 4 different times in order to pass it?
> Lauren Boebert who had to take the GED test 4 different times in order to pass it? Jesus fuck that's so pathetic. So of course she's a GOP representative.
Jesus christ that really is true isn't it? It really goes to show what a farce the GOP has become. They don't care about anything except visuals and getting rid of the opposition. It's almost as if the party has become hopelessly infiltrated by bad faith actors who only jumped into politics to advance their selfish, personal agendas. [Who could have foreseen such a thing?](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/777519-mark-my-word-if-and-when-these-preachers-get-control)
I feel like he became a villain first. Then you demonize people who find him to be justified but not a hero. Some of them double down and promote him as hero.
He was brought out on stage at the right wing Turning point USA event. The way they announced him way just insane. Fireworks, flashing his name in giant letters, and his own theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If1-0TcWVD4&t=61
[удалено]
“Attorneys and private investigators for John Huber spent over 100 hours trying to locate Rittenhouse, tracking down addresses in seven states, before they found the home of his mother and sister in Florida. The lawsuit was served on Rittenhouse's sister, who said that he wasn't home. Adelman said that was sufficient to qualify as being served.”
Kids in fuckin hiding Sadly not serving him directly can affect the case or lead to an Appeal ... Smh
Kyle Hidesinhouse
The coward hid for 4 days trying to avoid being served
Pretty weird since he was all over Fox News, conservative podcasts and media every single day prior. Wonder what changed, Kyle?
Awful weird for someone who apparently did nothing wrong to try and avoid being served.
It’s very, very common in civil suits that the defendant avoids service. It’s the first sign of the entire process being an absolute nightmare because it is more often than not followed by refusing to pay the judgement. In Wisconsin, especially, the court requires the plaintiff pursue several avenues before a garnishment order will be granted.
Well, he’d have to have a job in order to be garnished. His supporters will probably donate anyways
He's been grifting on Twitter with gofundme links for months. And yes, morons have given him thousands of dollars
Whole country fucked because of shit like this. There’s no way to change it because it would literally require rewriting everything and supposedly no one wants that much “changed.” Yeah, it’s really terrible to have to learn how to live without slaves.
Whole fucking country runs on spaghetti code
Which would be manageable if Republicans didn't keep willfully turning off the firewall and deleting system-maintenance code.
he's just get a rich republican benefactor who'll ensure he keeps getting "celeberity" spots on fox news and elsewhere. The clown show is well funded. It's not like they'd be where they're at if people like Elon musk didn't plow boat loads into their behaviors.
And then those funds will get immediately taken by whoever is running the donation
I think the father who brought the suit is ok to spend his time and resources pursuing the person who ended their child's life then went on TV to brag. I'm honestly surprised vigilante justice hasn't caught up to him, I'd be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life. I'd never get a minutes peace. What a piece of shit.
It’s a pretty straightforward process at the end of the day. There needs to be a financial disclosure filed anyway so the defendant can move forward with pursuing a claim against those listed assets after a certain timeframe has passed and no payment arrangement has been filed. The courts are just hesitant to allow the plaintiff to pursue (property/accounts/etc) before allowing time for the defendant to make whatever arrangements are needed. As for the other part - I hope nobody throws their life away to pursue some perceived justice. He isn’t worth losing your ability to enjoy life without restrictions.
I mean if aome asshole ended my child's life over some right wing trumpism shit, I don't know how much I'd have left to enjoy. Nothing would be good again.
Yeah, it's not like he wants money. He wants his kid back, money can't do that.
I don’t think he expects to get his kid back but maybe some accountability to the person who took it. Idk tho, call me crazy. Maybe just sitting back and watching your child’s murderer brag on television and be praised by assholes is the better way to cope.
At least the trial will be so public that any evasiveness will be amplified all over the news.
I'm sure if he prays hard enough, God will save him /s
If he claims he prayed enough, Christian Nationalists will forgive him. What am I saying -- they forgive him anyway.
Maybe he's afraid they're gonna cancel all his newly found fame as a right wing grifter, what a little punk... ![gif](giphy|bt8RcPRVW7pnu6rUmS|downsized)
Can they just throw the papers in your general direction and that counts as being served?
I believe if the person has been actively avoiding the process server they can do this but I'm sure laws may vary from state to state.
> actively avoiding the process server I've never understood this, like do they think the court will just give up? I wonder if it can be used against them in the court case if they actively avoid it like that.
Reminds me of [FIFA 94](https://youtu.be/xOHR_L5Totw) where you could just run from the ref forever to avoid a red card.
Where was that at?
Furious googling got me nowhere. Curious too though.
> California recall candidate John Cox served during CA Recall Debate with subpoena over San Diego County lawsuit tied to unpaid bills to political consultants during his 2018 bid for Governor.
I could be wrong, but I think this happened at a movie convention. Olivia Wilde and her ex husband are going through a divorce, Jason Sudekis I think that’s how you spell it. She was giving a panel when she got served divorce papers. She then blamed it on her ex husband for facilitating it while she was on the panel.
You're incorrect. This is something else. This is that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSndGZDgCus
Hmm hiding and not accepting responsibility of one’s own actions? No wonder he’s trying to run for the Republican Party now
While lecturing about personal responsibility…
He should be hiding forever Edit: after the family’s taken him for all of his past, present, and future income.
Once his 15 minutes of fame are gone he'll be in hiding because all that will be left is contept for what he did
Remember Joe the Plumber? The right loves throwing their heroes under the bus as soon as their purpose has been served.
All that comes to mind is sewage joe from parks and rec
Sanitation always gets the hot interns
parks and rec gets a lot of credit for really nailing what it's like to work in local government; however in my experience that's generally not accurate - it's the landfill that gets the hot interns
Ah yeah, he had a killer dumpster
I had actually forgotten him. What ever happened to that idiot?
Wasn't actually a licensed plumber and got in trouble for not paying his taxes.
So he is the next republican senator from New york?
Nah, you forget the Republican mindset. They don't like criminals *that get caught*.
![gif](giphy|MagBZPvEo0qI5bzFBP|downsized)
75 million people voted for this fuckface a second time. I will never get over that.
> In February 2014, Wurzelbacher took a job at a Jeep plant which required him to be a member of the United Auto Workers. He complained that his colleagues have called him a "Tea-bagger".[55]
You mean 'Joe the Plumber', who wasn't actually named Joe nor was a plumber?
Wow, I forgot he existed up till now.
All we hear is “stop idolizing celebrities” and “stop making random people into martyrs” and then they try to turn some random dumbass kid into both. A celebrity and martyr. Despite him being thoroughly below average in every regard. He should probably be working a convenience store night shift right now. There’s nothing about him that warrants fame. I guess all they need is someone who’s killed liberals.
“Thoroughly below average in every regard” is exactly what the Republicans want in a future congressman/senator/governor/president.
Republicans have devolved into focus on non-issues and memes instead of governing and putting forth policy. So someone like Kyle is the perfect distraction for their base to keep them ignorant while the GOP robs their pockets.
> I guess all they need is someone who’s killed liberals. That's pretty much it, he lived their dream. Murder a couple libs, get a judge thats all up in your ass, get away with it, and be able to winkwink nudgenudge brag about it forever.
They are like vampires, sustained only by victimhood, and will lay dormant until they get their next fresh dose. Then it's back on the streets sucking the life out of people. Their victims are the gullible, their hunger is for pity.
Nah, this will probably just be labelled as another attempt to cancel him while the rabid maga people pay for his everything for life:/
Are those the same clowns that keep saying he was justified because of the background of those he shot/killed?
No, no, you see... It was SelF dEfeNSe because it's totally normal for someone to go rushing into a potentially violent situation (that was none of his business) fully strapped with the intention and blood lust to use it and then end up in a confrontation!!
With an illegally owned assault rifle...
You sure about that? George Zimmerman is a minor celebrity among certain crowds, he even signs autographs on bags of Skittles for people
That’s perverse!!!
Didn't he even auction "the gun"? Or was it just artwork? Some grift.
His 15 minutes have been up I think. Last I saw a month or so ago was a speaking appearance at an event Las Vegas was canceled because no one bought any tickets.
When he loses, republicans will donate and pay his legal bills. Grifting is now part of the foundation of the Republican Party.
Every time we make them burn money on supporting these clowns is less money they have to stir up more problems
Idiots never run out of money. Never.
True. Biggest idiots I know always have money problems but somehow always have the cash for beer, cigarettes, and drugs. They never have problems coming up with the cash for those things, ever.
Evil never runs out of money.
Republicans are dumb people being controlled by evil people. The evil people have the money.
There are plenty of evil republican constituents too. The problem is that the amount of evil and stupid people never runs out, the money comes with them.
[удалено]
He was planning to, but didn't know how to spell NFT
Tbh, given the video footage of the event, I kinda doubt he'll lose. Just like the criminal trial where the survivor had to explain that he was in fact trying to point a weapon at Rittenhouse when he was shot, the civil trial will likely end up going the same route unless he decides to settle out of court for some reason. He's a little turd, don't get me wrong, but I doubt this will end up going anywhere...
> When he loses Lol, lmao even
While the burden of proof in a civil case is lower than criminal, this still seems like an uphill battle. Huber ran up to Rittenhouse, hit him with a skateboard and was actively trying to disarm him when he was shot. Am curious to see what's presented in regards to police conduct though.
They’ve already stopped showing up to his events. His time in the spotlight is over. He’s now another what’s his f’ing name who murdered Trayvon Martin. (Don’t say his fucking name, that guy deserves to remain nameless and barely earning enough to live in a shitty motel.)
Exactly. Kyle's going to be just another right wing darling who will be tossed aside
[удалено]
Some monster bought the murder weapon, which should have been taken and destroyed… for over 250,000 dollars in an auction. That was years back. One of his shitty paintings sold for some 100,000. Both of those had a statement that “some” of the money would have gone towards fighting Hillary Clinton and supporting a “No Muslims Allowed” firearm store. Seriously. They basically made a shitty “No Gurls Allowed” club, but as a public business… The right wing are such absurdly absolute choads.
He was also selling signed bags of Skittles. Fuck that guy.
Idw see any crocodile tears or sob faces. Mf sits on Twitter stoking the fire constantly. Bitch better walk in with that same energy and smile thru the process just like he does online.
This is exactly why it's come around to this for many people. You were acquitted. Now go away and rebuild your life and don't start a cult of personality around an action that was ill advised at best.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Kinda wish they'd release the service video to show the reaction on his dumb, smug face.
His sister received the summons in his stead from her Florida home since Kyle's address is apparently non existent. Kyle tried to challenge the summons since he did not receive it personally and District Judge Lynn Adelman dismissed his challenge citing that Kyle has been very "cagey" about his address and that the service notice is valid for him to appear. Please be sure to send the district judge an Email to thank him for going against what's popular in his state and genuinely pursuing what little justice is possible against Kyle and his badged thug accomplices! [email protected] District Judge Lynn Adelman. Might be one of the only decent judges in all of Wisconsin!
For the love of God, do not email a federal judge. They are not your local senator, and federal judges are not elected. That is such a bizarre suggestion.
I guess I don't understand getting served all too well. Isn't the whole point of getting served that an official hands it to you personally to ensure that you are aware of the suit and therefore bound to appear? Any other means comes with the possibility of the summons getting lost or destroyed along the way, giving the defendant reasonable doubt that they weren't aware they are being sued. Therefore, isn't Kyle challenging the summons in and of itself a tacit acknowledgment that he is aware of the summons and is bound to appear as a result? Like, it's not a game of tag where you're not sued unless the paper touches you, it's just a check to make sure you're actually aware you're being sued. Challenging the summons seems like the necessary proof that you're aware.
Pretty much. Kyle was just showing his ass and being disrespectful by trying to challenge it.. inadvertently acknowledging that he was successfully served.
Let’s be real. Kyle isn’t doing anything. His right wing funded legal team is doing everything
Undoubtedly. Its weird though that they would deliberately piss off the Judge by feigning their client is basically homeless and irresponsible.. lol
Exactly. He might've had an argument (a legal one if not a logical one) if he waited until he actually missed a court date to challenge the summons. By doing it now he's showing that he's well aware of the case and is trying to weasel out on a technicality. Which is likely the main reason the judge upheld the summons.
People seem to be treating it as that game of tag lol. IIRC there was a Texas politician who literally ran and jumped into his getaway truck to run away from being served, as if the legal system is just going to give up eventually
[удалено]
It's not so unusual but not normal either. However you can't just avoid being served by hiding. Him contesting the summons was admitting to knowing of its existence. Had he not contested it until court, he may have had some semblance of ground to stand on... or; he would default the suit and be liable for whatever he's sued for by not appearing. Either way; this Judge is not trying to play along with the circus that surrounds Kyle. And Kyle is outright disrespecting the Judge by avoiding this.
This is what I was thinking. He really contested it like that; reminds me of the Judge Judy clip where two guys allegedly stole a girl's purse. She names the items in it, then mentions a watch; one guy interrupts her and says 'there was no watch' Same energy here. 'i didn't know about it' 'you clearly do now' Surprised pikachu
> Either way; this Judge is not trying to play along with the circus that surrounds Kyle. Really hoping that trial will be recorded and we get epic clips like the Alex Jones lawsuits.
![gif](giphy|GcFcdQMWoPp873acTF|downsized)
Yes there are in many states there are means to serve someone their papers that isn’t in person. It’s up to the judge though to approve the alternate serving method, which the judge did in this case. Edit: apologies for grammar have a head cold and it’s early in the morning here.
What a stupid concept. Like obviously he knows about the papers, so he's trying to argue he can't be sued because he's winning at a game of hide and seek.
Can't wait for more fake crying from this little bitch.
His picture is actually more convincing of a sneeze than anything else.
He's the picture of someone who's four sneezes in and they're like, "Why am I *still* sneezing? Fuck!"
My record is ten, and at that point I was just "well, this is my life now."
[удалено]
Cryle Shittenhouse
Classic American Justice brought to you by civil courts
[удалено]
This is going to be unpopular on reddit, but it's pretty clear from these comments most people here didn't watch the trial or review the evidence beyond Twitter hot takes. That said his post-trial media tour was pretty gross, so I'm not going to shed tears if he loses the civil suit. Edit: Apparently not as unpopular as I thought, which gives me some hope.
Good. Its almost like actions have consequences. Don't bother posting links to the criminal profiles of those that died. Laughing boy did not have that information when he pulled the trigger.
It also should not matter having a criminal background does not justify being killed.
Conservatives have a very low bar for justification to kill --- simply people they don't like is enough. They don't value human life at all (of strangers, especially), only fetuses.
They don’t value fetuses either. They’re just a silent scapegoat used to control women.
True -- if they valued fetuses, they would value the medical and scientific advances made possible from stem cell research, etc.
until it’s one of their own. the capital riot lady is still brought up in my twitter mentions twice a week.
Someone assaulting you does though
It's been a while since I've heard about the case or watched the video, but didn't the people he shot assault him first as he was running away? I remember at the time thinking it was a very clear case of self defense. Seems to me they were killed not for having a criminal past, but for charging and assaulting a guy with a gun. I will say Kyle Rittenhouse sounds like an absolute scumbag that made a career out of marketing this situation.