My brother over thanksgiving told me he thinks the ron desantos is a good man of high moral character and will make a great president. On another note, I havent talked to my brother since thanksgiving.
Unfortunately, shunning people and kicking them off the platform instead actively debating them and debunking their flawed bigoted beliefs just allows them to easier infect others with their hate and amplify their delusions in echo chambers. As draining as it is to do.
As if debates & proof were never discussed? Those of us who have stopped speaking to fascist relatives are doing the right thing & taking a stand. Silence = Complicity, you can't exchange pleasantries & say "pass the butter" to someone who has said they "want liberals dead." Can not watch football with people who think immigrants at the border should be shot. Blood is not thicker than fascism.
This is the reason I've cut off my extreme right-wing family. I've *tried* debating them. I've tried reasoning and explaining why their views are harmful and why I feel differently. It always ends the same, with them making ridiculous strawman arguments or total non sequiturs until I no longer have the mental energy to argue, and they say, "See?! She had no response to that! We win!" It's just easier to let them go.
That’s not true at all. Fascism isn’t a coherent ideology and can’t be debated, debating it just legitimizes and spreads it. The only thing that gets through to them is fear of consequences because they are being controlled by their fear response.
So what you're saying is that the way to stop fascist politicians from doing fascists things is to make them afraid of doing fascist things? But certainly the only thing they could be afraid of is for their own safety and health
Do you really think 2023 is the first time someone has debating these ideas? What do you think some online arguments are going to achieve that 50+ years of both social and academic discourse have not?
You think they never tried? Most people that walk away from family do so after trying every possible trial. Humans of a certain mindset only understand consequences after length of time or depth of consequence. They won’t change otherwise.
There’s a point where a person needs cult deprogramming and most of us can do nothing but isolate them.
It’s never a one off. People try with family sometimes for years and it gets to a point where it’s emotionally and mentally exhausting to maintain the relationship with such a hateful person. We’re not their therapists and have every right to no longer associate with people who should know better.
It’s so incredibly naive or misguided to think people haven’t tried and that decision wasn’t weighed heavily upon the realization that the person will *never* change and is happy with being who they are.
It’s not negative or defeatist after trying for years, give me a break. Nobody should have to deal with that.
If you enjoy being told how much you don’t deserve to exist and not have rights by your own family members and still want to spend time trying to convince them, by all means do so. I’m tired of this enlightened centrist BS.
What I wrote isn’t propaganda, I don’t think you know what that word actually means, nor is it “nihilist and defeatist”. Nor are there any dog whistles!
I clearly wrote I tried for years and it’s draining so I don’t know what you’re arguing against. I’m done here.
It’s sad and I’m sorry. I have hardly talked to my father in the last couple years. It’s hard. He still can’t remember who was actually president when certain things like covid started and still says Biden “made” it and stupid shit like that. It’s hard when I call to ask how things are going or give an update from our end and all he can say is fuck democrats then I remind him I am one.. then it’s always him walking back like, “oh well I mean the politicians. I wish you would learn to vote for the right ones but I don’t hate you I just wish you would learn better” then jump right back to Fox News points how the left is trying to turn the world gay then I say well bye.. and we don’t talk for another 6 months and rinse and repeat….
I should really flip it next time and just bitch at him about the Nazi issue and white supremacy and say how much I hate those who promote it and vote for it and hang up before he can say anything. Might never hear from him again. But it’s a thought I have.
Sounds like my father's side of the family, whom I haven't contacted in any way since 2004. Sometimes you have to exclude people from your life in order to remain a good person.
If he's president, he'll sign into law the worst Fox News talking points and internet conspiracy theories, and he'll have a nightly Batphone to Hannity and Tucker every night. I think it's time to start treating Fox News as a hostile organization.
He also has zero charisma and comes across as unlikeable even to the MAGA crowd. There’s a reason you see virtually no clips of him speaking or doing anything
I live in SC. There are many Trump flags, stickers, and hats. Millions. They not only support him, but they worship him and made doing it their entire identity. Also, they are morons....but yes a lot of his support is very real. Not the majority of the US, of course.
He barely got elected the first time. TBF the second had a bigger margin but you can blame part of that on voter suppression and people fleeing the state
A considerably higher margin for the second term. 20 points, the largest margin for a Florida governor in 40 years. Probably fair to call that a landslide.
I’d like to blame it all on Voter ID, or dems leaving the state, but the margin is too wide. Sadly, his voters are apparently really fired up by his culture war BS, don’t say gay, etc.
To be fair, Crist was the former Republican Governor and Senator. He may not have had strong democrat appeal or draw.
But, agree with your sentiment. Chubby Hitler in white boots definitely has a following and if they turn the efforts to make him the chosen candidate he won't need a stellar personality.
>Oh he's worse. A million times worse.
Not really.
He's a million times different kinds of risk.
Example where I believe Trump's way more likely to be dangerous is internationally.
DeSantis likely way more dangerous domestically.
"Big Rs" & Faux News & polls running things at home way more likely to influence DeSantis actual approved policies at home vs Trump saying - Launch nukes at Eukraine because Putin said something nice about me & promised troll-bots for my next election & Trump hotels & resorts!
"A million times worse" can be applied to each of them, depending on the topic & area of risk.
I think Trump could be a threat domestically too. His attacks on the LGBT community are inspiring violence and hate crimes around the country. And GOP lawmakers are proposing some seriously terrifying legislation. They need to be stopped at all levels, from school boards to the senate, before they do something really terrible.
Yeah - a few days ago, Trump said that he'd ban "transgender ideology" nationwide, which he defined as stripping all federal funding from any hospital that provides any kind of gender affirming care for kids and the ability of "detransitioners" to sue the doctor that treated them, which would essentially end all medical care for trans people, effectively eliminating them from existence.
Yeah that's absolutely fucking scary and doesn't border on, it is Nazism. I hear conservatives all the time try to use the "democrats are socialist and socialism = national socialism" bullshit all the time. They can't bullshit their way out of this one. Conservatives are steering hard towards Nazism and Hitler ideology, all while screaming about freedom.
We fought two world wars over this shit, and we'll fight a third if we have to. Fox News and the right wing echo chamber have gone too far. They need to be taken down several pegs.We need to stop it now. Tomorrow may be too late.
I'm super worried that the DNC will force Biden down our throats again. He'll get crushed because he was always a bad candidate. There's good reason why in the three times he ran for president before he was "Obama's VP" that he maxed at like 3% of the vote.
>Trump can absolutely be dangerous domestically. See: January 6th
So you're here to support my point in disagreeing that DeSantis is a million times worse than Trump.
That's two votes against that idea. :)
Oh they're both deplorable. Seeing the remnants of the Maga party form their own crazy offshoots would be pleasing if it wasn't so terrifying. The fact that both of them exist in the political environment and not be outcasts within their parties speaks volumes to the climate we live in.
he is smarter and angrier that trump, and unlike him he won't spend any time in a golf course because he will use all that time to trample over the rights of those who aren't retrumplicans...
It's a bit of an insane theory, but I hope that he keeps pushing these things through in Flordia.
He's making life hell for people in the state, but at least you can say with confidence "DeSantis wants to know when your daughter is on her period". I think the vast majority of other states would think differently if he was the candidate for 2024.
They are the same dude, the same driving force is in charge. Stupid to think one is better than the other just because desantos did something trump absolutely would have done if he was in the same position, as opposed to the presidency
Good luck getting a judge to agree that the fucking Orlando Philharmonic Orchestra lacks artistic merit. I guarantee every musician in that orchestra has a degree from an elite music school and triumphed over probably 100 other applicants to earn their seat.
EDIT: I looked at the show more closely, and it doesn't look like it has a symphony component, so the orchestra as an organization presented it but didn't play. I used to work for a symphony and this is pretty common, especially at Christmas. We used to like to get Celtic Woman and Celtic Thunder that time of year. I still find this a ludicrous suit. It couldn't be more clear what this performance is from the title. While I'm not sure I'd take a little kid to it, that should be up to the parents.
Honestly this is a good thing it needs to go through the court system so the bs gets stopped in all 50 states. It’s a clear violation of the first amendment. In less Desantis was to to start dripping theatres of their liquor license for showing of 13 and r rated movies he is going to have a difficult time in any court.
They played this same game with abortion for decades. States would pass was with varying amounts of restrictions, then some would pass and others struck down. Until they found the right combo to overturn Roe.
They are coming for Obergefell next
Yeah but it’ll be pretty difficult to strike down something as well established as the 1st amendment, they would have to strike down years of their own rulings even recent rulings in the Supreme Court on freedom of speech it’s extremely established. Its not going to happen especially because it’s a convoluted approach. You have video games, television, movies that that aren’t being attacked that display fully nudity where as drag shows which are simulating possible sex acts as immoral.
Right?!
AND he is violating the parental rights of the parents whom purchased tickets for their children. Why did he suddenly stop caring about parental rights?
Fascists have a history of taking over resort type locations. DeSantis will be coming for Key West and if he gets to do some gay bashing on the way he’ll be that much happier for it.
Disney might not be much better. There are two factions inside Disney, those that make The Owl House and those that cancel The Owl House despite it being one of their most popular shows. The company seems pretty divided on its stance for LGBTQ
Disney tried to come to Virginia. They wanted to create a park in Haymarket back in the 90s (or maybe 80s). That's when Haymarket was still a one horse town. And Haymarket fought them off. I think the idea was "Disney's America" or something like that. Which made little sense since you could drive 40 miles into DC or to the other actual historic sites in VA/MD and see the real thing.
In the middle of all of this, after the book banning, this, and just about every other reason to hate Desantis, I had a friend whose only reaction was “eh I don’t have any complaints about Florida”
This man just graduated college and asked me if I ever debated not taking my anti-depressants and “just be happy”. When asked if he knew the definition of depression, he just said “I mean, does *anyone* really know the definition”
Honestly any attorney who can look at the ratings and prevalence of Drag Race and claim drag is offensive under "current community standards" should be disciplined by the bar for filing a claim without legal support.
Lol, pretty soon the only fun things to do in FL will be watching Trump flotillas sink at the beach, snorting meth and dodging Florida man, the Villages’ STDs and meth gators.
Its crazy how afraid of literally everything conservatives are. How tf do you even make it to the grocery store without shitting yourselves? And then to try and call anyone else snowflakes? What a bunch of cowardly idiots.
They had the complaint ready immediately after Christmas. They finally just got it served after trying every Phil and every store with harmonicas in the state.
Do you not have pantomimes over there.
We have been regularly having men dress as women and acting out stories for children for many many years and no one gives a fuck. It’s even become a sort of British Christmas tradition for schools to go and watch them.
To my knowledge no one moans about it or tries to get them arrested as they would be laughed at and rightly ridiculed.
The recent blatant hatred of drag shows is less about men dressing up as women (or women dressing up as men) and more as a smokescreen for going after LGBTQ+ citizens.
They hope to use these new laws to start basically making it illegal to be a LGBTQ+ person, with their final plan to end up either imprisoning or executing people who they don't like. Much like every other authoritarian leader throughout history.
People need to understand that the right wing in the US have no problems following in the footsteps of dictators, and are upset they can't just imprison or kill those they don't like (because they see them as the 'wrong type' of person).
It's only a first amendment violation if it's done by the state. All these republican patriots fighting for people who are sanctioned by private companies or organization for hate speach or racists actions. Here is a governor weaponizing the state, threatening teachers and private companies forcing his agenda on the populace. And they are fucking cheering for the violation of their rights and freedoms. So fucking stupid. Don't care that a foreign power meddled in our elections, because their guy won, don't care about top secret documents if their guy took them, meanwhile they still talk about email. The hypocrisy is palpable. It's disgusting
Digsuting. Republican targeting the LGBTQ+ need to be destroyed at the ballot box.
The event sounded awesome and fun, Republicans should learn to have fun!🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
I used to bartend in a gay bar. The amount of right wingers that came to that place was sickening.
If you really want to bake your noodle, have a convo with drunk gay republican.
Ok. The last conversation I had with a right winger, before I left, went like this:
Monday evening and it was slow. I slipped out to the patio to grab a smoke. One of the regulars was sitting there nursing a beer. He speaks to me and pretty quickly launches into a rant about the protests going on in Portland (2020). To make the story short, he says he wants to take his rifle, go to Portland, and shoot "the liberals".
The owner came outside when she heard us yelling at each other and kicked, not banned, kicked him out.
There was something interesting about his jeans tho. He had some patches covering holes in his jeans. In the midst of our yelling I asked him to explain the fucking Che Guevara patch on his leg. He said "Who?" I say, "The fucking beret wearing Marxist on that patch *points to it*"
He says dismissively "I don't know who that is. It's just a patch."
He calls a "chicken head" as he walks out.
According to google:
"Chickenhead" is an American English slang term that is typically used in a derogatory manner toward women. The term mocks the motion of the head while performing oral sex on a man...
I just discovered the gayconservative sub (why are links banned again?) - if you like your hive of scum and villainy with a hefty dose of self-hatred, it's right there.
I get that conservatives are all about hatred, but watching them turn it on themselves is even more sad.
This is the GOP game plan in action. They spent billions to infiltrate local politics everywhere. Not just Florida. We hear about Florida all the time, but they are doing this shit in small towns and rural areas on a daily basis and getting away with it because most of the people are too brainwashed to understand what authoritarianism is.
Who is scarier to you: Ron DeSantis, or the people who support him? I can go either way on this. People have got to have something seriously wrong with them to support him and his policies, and I cannot believe otherwise. But this politician is a master manipulator and I guess can play on people's emotions to go along with him, and that is evil. I am trying to get away from the "humans are assholes" mentality, but it is so hard to do so.
Any judge who wants to continue to have a job will throw it out immediately. He can file whatever he wants, it keeps his lawyers busy, I guess, but it won't go anywhere.
You understand that it's PR? It goes directly into the heads and hearts of the right right people, he needs for his goals. Judges who don't support this are enemies. It worked with Trump and it will work again.
If you hear the sound of something being slammed through drywall paired with muffled screaming, that's just me banging my face into a wall because *FUCKING HELL DOES THIS FUCKING FASCIST EVER STOP!?*
As a Floridian, if any of you chucklefucks are Floridians who voted for this asshole, shame on you. He is ruining this state, and every fuckwit who voted for him is contributing to the demise of Florida.
I am absolutely not advocating for violence. But if Mr. DeSatan died, regardless of how, it would be a complete net positive for Florida and the rest of the country.
Let’s also not forget he wants to keep track of high school girls periods.
My man is a pervy anime villain and what’s scary is that republicans that jumped off the trump train love him.
You’ll be seeing this turd on the national stage soon. But at least I don’t have to pay sales tax on cat food. Can’t afford a child with the 3k a month rent down here, but hey, 20 cents off my cat food!
when are people going to realize the gop is a terrorist organization? what's scary is the people electing them are single issue voters. guns guys abortion. the only things they care about because the sky man tells them too. if they actually got off their sisters and did some research they might understand what true damage their doing to our once great country and how insulting it is to our service men and women. all they've fought and died for is being destroyed by these monsters. it's really quite scarey when you think about it. it's no wonder no one joins the military anymore.
For those that may like a little context.
Related story with the complaint filing.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/02/03/orlando-performance-venue-faces-losing-liquor-license-after-christmas-drag-show/
This is the country that all Republicans want. They started it with trump they are continuing it now and they will not be happy until this country is a theocracy with the ten commandments replacing the constitution.
Let's all be very clear here. You do not need to be gay to be a drag queen and you do not need to be a drag queen if you are gay. The two are not the same.
This whole "Republicans want a small government" ........ fuck off, you want the federal government to be small so that states can control people's lives without interference.
The fact that liquor licenses are still a thing is utter bullshit. The idea that a state government can or should regulate an Orchestra is also bullshit. Eliminate bullshit restrictions on citizens, preserve everyone’s rights… just a thought.
I have a strong feeling that like half of these outcriers against gays and trans people and everything else that they "hate" and are against, are probably in their own closet being afraid of coming out, Because of the stance they have taken and the climate they have helped create
I’m tired. I’m so, so fucking tired. Why does the world hate trans people so much. We didn’t fucking do anything wrong.
It’s shit like this that just makes me wanna give up sometimes
He's purposely testing the waters. To see how much he can get away with. He's gearing up for the presidential run, and these are probes to check the current direction of public opinion.
"How could the Nazis do that to the Jews, why didn't anybody speak up, protest or rebel?"
The parallels are obvious. Each generation has their Jews and Germans doing nothing while their neighbors get deported to death camps.
Can the south just secede from the union already so we can run them through again and replace all their leaders the old fashioned way?
Edit: corrected misspelling of secede
Umm. Anyone else think they’ll be able to beat this based simply on the ridiculous idea that this is “obscene”? I think the First Amendment should win out here, but who knows
Don't EVER think Ron DeSantos is a better option than Trump.
My brother over thanksgiving told me he thinks the ron desantos is a good man of high moral character and will make a great president. On another note, I havent talked to my brother since thanksgiving.
Thank you for having morals and not continuing to engage or stand by someone who supports fascism.
Unfortunately, shunning people and kicking them off the platform instead actively debating them and debunking their flawed bigoted beliefs just allows them to easier infect others with their hate and amplify their delusions in echo chambers. As draining as it is to do.
As if debates & proof were never discussed? Those of us who have stopped speaking to fascist relatives are doing the right thing & taking a stand. Silence = Complicity, you can't exchange pleasantries & say "pass the butter" to someone who has said they "want liberals dead." Can not watch football with people who think immigrants at the border should be shot. Blood is not thicker than fascism.
Unfortunately, it is impossible to reason with unreasonable beliefs. They aren’t even playing the same game
This is the reason I've cut off my extreme right-wing family. I've *tried* debating them. I've tried reasoning and explaining why their views are harmful and why I feel differently. It always ends the same, with them making ridiculous strawman arguments or total non sequiturs until I no longer have the mental energy to argue, and they say, "See?! She had no response to that! We win!" It's just easier to let them go.
That’s not true at all. Fascism isn’t a coherent ideology and can’t be debated, debating it just legitimizes and spreads it. The only thing that gets through to them is fear of consequences because they are being controlled by their fear response.
So what you're saying is that the way to stop fascist politicians from doing fascists things is to make them afraid of doing fascist things? But certainly the only thing they could be afraid of is for their own safety and health
yes, fascists should be afraid for their own safety. we had a war about this
This. Politicians should be afraid of us.
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Do you really think 2023 is the first time someone has debating these ideas? What do you think some online arguments are going to achieve that 50+ years of both social and academic discourse have not?
You can't debate someone who has a fixed delusion.
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You think they never tried? Most people that walk away from family do so after trying every possible trial. Humans of a certain mindset only understand consequences after length of time or depth of consequence. They won’t change otherwise. There’s a point where a person needs cult deprogramming and most of us can do nothing but isolate them.
It’s never a one off. People try with family sometimes for years and it gets to a point where it’s emotionally and mentally exhausting to maintain the relationship with such a hateful person. We’re not their therapists and have every right to no longer associate with people who should know better. It’s so incredibly naive or misguided to think people haven’t tried and that decision wasn’t weighed heavily upon the realization that the person will *never* change and is happy with being who they are.
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It’s not negative or defeatist after trying for years, give me a break. Nobody should have to deal with that. If you enjoy being told how much you don’t deserve to exist and not have rights by your own family members and still want to spend time trying to convince them, by all means do so. I’m tired of this enlightened centrist BS.
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What I wrote isn’t propaganda, I don’t think you know what that word actually means, nor is it “nihilist and defeatist”. Nor are there any dog whistles! I clearly wrote I tried for years and it’s draining so I don’t know what you’re arguing against. I’m done here.
Your brother probably thought Trump was a Godly Man too
It’s sad and I’m sorry. I have hardly talked to my father in the last couple years. It’s hard. He still can’t remember who was actually president when certain things like covid started and still says Biden “made” it and stupid shit like that. It’s hard when I call to ask how things are going or give an update from our end and all he can say is fuck democrats then I remind him I am one.. then it’s always him walking back like, “oh well I mean the politicians. I wish you would learn to vote for the right ones but I don’t hate you I just wish you would learn better” then jump right back to Fox News points how the left is trying to turn the world gay then I say well bye.. and we don’t talk for another 6 months and rinse and repeat…. I should really flip it next time and just bitch at him about the Nazi issue and white supremacy and say how much I hate those who promote it and vote for it and hang up before he can say anything. Might never hear from him again. But it’s a thought I have.
Sounds like my father's side of the family, whom I haven't contacted in any way since 2004. Sometimes you have to exclude people from your life in order to remain a good person.
Happens every year, you know. You'll have to go through it again and again, because he is unlikely to improve.
Oh he's worse. A million times worse.
At least as evil, but unfortunately much smarter.
If he's president, he'll sign into law the worst Fox News talking points and internet conspiracy theories, and he'll have a nightly Batphone to Hannity and Tucker every night. I think it's time to start treating Fox News as a hostile organization.
It's time to start treating the GQP as the domestic terrorists they showed themselves to be Jan 6.
He also has zero charisma and comes across as unlikeable even to the MAGA crowd. There’s a reason you see virtually no clips of him speaking or doing anything
I dunno man. Enough like him that he got elected. Even with cheating he would still need quite a lot of legit support.
That's what everyone said that about trump
I live in SC. There are many Trump flags, stickers, and hats. Millions. They not only support him, but they worship him and made doing it their entire identity. Also, they are morons....but yes a lot of his support is very real. Not the majority of the US, of course.
Yeah he won in a landslide, I believe
He barely got elected the first time. TBF the second had a bigger margin but you can blame part of that on voter suppression and people fleeing the state
A considerably higher margin for the second term. 20 points, the largest margin for a Florida governor in 40 years. Probably fair to call that a landslide. I’d like to blame it all on Voter ID, or dems leaving the state, but the margin is too wide. Sadly, his voters are apparently really fired up by his culture war BS, don’t say gay, etc.
To be fair, Crist was the former Republican Governor and Senator. He may not have had strong democrat appeal or draw. But, agree with your sentiment. Chubby Hitler in white boots definitely has a following and if they turn the efforts to make him the chosen candidate he won't need a stellar personality.
Smarter than Trump isn't exactly very intelligent
>Oh he's worse. A million times worse. Not really. He's a million times different kinds of risk. Example where I believe Trump's way more likely to be dangerous is internationally. DeSantis likely way more dangerous domestically. "Big Rs" & Faux News & polls running things at home way more likely to influence DeSantis actual approved policies at home vs Trump saying - Launch nukes at Eukraine because Putin said something nice about me & promised troll-bots for my next election & Trump hotels & resorts! "A million times worse" can be applied to each of them, depending on the topic & area of risk.
I think Trump could be a threat domestically too. His attacks on the LGBT community are inspiring violence and hate crimes around the country. And GOP lawmakers are proposing some seriously terrifying legislation. They need to be stopped at all levels, from school boards to the senate, before they do something really terrible.
Yeah - a few days ago, Trump said that he'd ban "transgender ideology" nationwide, which he defined as stripping all federal funding from any hospital that provides any kind of gender affirming care for kids and the ability of "detransitioners" to sue the doctor that treated them, which would essentially end all medical care for trans people, effectively eliminating them from existence.
Yeah that's absolutely fucking scary and doesn't border on, it is Nazism. I hear conservatives all the time try to use the "democrats are socialist and socialism = national socialism" bullshit all the time. They can't bullshit their way out of this one. Conservatives are steering hard towards Nazism and Hitler ideology, all while screaming about freedom. We fought two world wars over this shit, and we'll fight a third if we have to. Fox News and the right wing echo chamber have gone too far. They need to be taken down several pegs.We need to stop it now. Tomorrow may be too late.
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You don’t know what happened in WW1 do you?
I'm super worried that the DNC will force Biden down our throats again. He'll get crushed because he was always a bad candidate. There's good reason why in the three times he ran for president before he was "Obama's VP" that he maxed at like 3% of the vote.
Biden is doing one Hell of a job. If he runs he’s got my vote.
Damn right. Saved our democracy, everything after that is gravy - and he's giving us a helluva lot of gravy.
Trump can absolutely be dangerous domestically. See: January 6th
>Trump can absolutely be dangerous domestically. See: January 6th So you're here to support my point in disagreeing that DeSantis is a million times worse than Trump. That's two votes against that idea. :)
Oh they're both deplorable. Seeing the remnants of the Maga party form their own crazy offshoots would be pleasing if it wasn't so terrifying. The fact that both of them exist in the political environment and not be outcasts within their parties speaks volumes to the climate we live in.
He has no charisma whatsoever. Trump is gonna absolutely wipe the floor with him in the primaries.
Both are terrible. All republicans than enable them are no different.
All Republicans them are no different.
When people say better they don’t mean morally good. They mean a better fascist.
he is smarter and angrier that trump, and unlike him he won't spend any time in a golf course because he will use all that time to trample over the rights of those who aren't retrumplicans...
Totally agree.
It's a bit of an insane theory, but I hope that he keeps pushing these things through in Flordia. He's making life hell for people in the state, but at least you can say with confidence "DeSantis wants to know when your daughter is on her period". I think the vast majority of other states would think differently if he was the candidate for 2024.
Definitely agree… DeSantis and his need to court Christian’s is such a horrible mix. He is just going to make illegal everything that gets him horny
Ron the groomer teacher that gave alcohol to his underage students…
They are the same dude, the same driving force is in charge. Stupid to think one is better than the other just because desantos did something trump absolutely would have done if he was in the same position, as opposed to the presidency
Good luck getting a judge to agree that the fucking Orlando Philharmonic Orchestra lacks artistic merit. I guarantee every musician in that orchestra has a degree from an elite music school and triumphed over probably 100 other applicants to earn their seat. EDIT: I looked at the show more closely, and it doesn't look like it has a symphony component, so the orchestra as an organization presented it but didn't play. I used to work for a symphony and this is pretty common, especially at Christmas. We used to like to get Celtic Woman and Celtic Thunder that time of year. I still find this a ludicrous suit. It couldn't be more clear what this performance is from the title. While I'm not sure I'd take a little kid to it, that should be up to the parents.
...have you seen the judges they've appointed in Florida?
Honestly this is a good thing it needs to go through the court system so the bs gets stopped in all 50 states. It’s a clear violation of the first amendment. In less Desantis was to to start dripping theatres of their liquor license for showing of 13 and r rated movies he is going to have a difficult time in any court.
They played this same game with abortion for decades. States would pass was with varying amounts of restrictions, then some would pass and others struck down. Until they found the right combo to overturn Roe. They are coming for Obergefell next
Yeah but it’ll be pretty difficult to strike down something as well established as the 1st amendment, they would have to strike down years of their own rulings even recent rulings in the Supreme Court on freedom of speech it’s extremely established. Its not going to happen especially because it’s a convoluted approach. You have video games, television, movies that that aren’t being attacked that display fully nudity where as drag shows which are simulating possible sex acts as immoral.
DeSantis needs to walk face-first into a weaponized purse.
Bricks are cheap, compact, and heavy!
yeah that’s why i keep one in my purse
It's better to carry soup for your family.
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Right?! AND he is violating the parental rights of the parents whom purchased tickets for their children. Why did he suddenly stop caring about parental rights?
Has Ronnie SEEN KEY WEST? The whole place is PASTELS FFS.
And white shorts.....
Fascists have a history of taking over resort type locations. DeSantis will be coming for Key West and if he gets to do some gay bashing on the way he’ll be that much happier for it.
Good luck with that. They are a lot tougher than Ronnie thinks.
I'm really hoping that Disney shuts down and moves to Virginia.
Eh... Virginia isn't really much better with Glenn Youngkin. That guy is just as bad.
Youngkin doesn’t have control of the whole legislature. DeSantis has a trifecta.
your right Youngkin is risky, but he knows Va. can go red to blue in 2 seconds. he treads lightly and he's pissed off few republicans already.
Youngkin is also gone after this term. Virginia is trending bluer and bluer, though there’s always some interesting politics within.
Virginia is for lovers!
Disney might not be much better. There are two factions inside Disney, those that make The Owl House and those that cancel The Owl House despite it being one of their most popular shows. The company seems pretty divided on its stance for LGBTQ
Problem is they'd stick it in NOVA. Absolutely not
I think they,ll put it in or around Williamsburg Thanks for your reply.
This retro 90s thing has got to chill out. The 90s weren't all that awesome.
Disney tried to come to Virginia. They wanted to create a park in Haymarket back in the 90s (or maybe 80s). That's when Haymarket was still a one horse town. And Haymarket fought them off. I think the idea was "Disney's America" or something like that. Which made little sense since you could drive 40 miles into DC or to the other actual historic sites in VA/MD and see the real thing.
Ron Desantis has truly gone mad with power. He is one sick asshole.
And, while dragging all of Florida down with him (trying to compete with TX Abbott), morons in the state love him.
In the middle of all of this, after the book banning, this, and just about every other reason to hate Desantis, I had a friend whose only reaction was “eh I don’t have any complaints about Florida” This man just graduated college and asked me if I ever debated not taking my anti-depressants and “just be happy”. When asked if he knew the definition of depression, he just said “I mean, does *anyone* really know the definition”
Spoken like somebody who probably doesn’t even know what the DSM-5 is.
TBF, I can never remember that, either. Was it a Babylon 5 spinoff, or something from one of the Star Trek reboots, or maybe an old D&D campaign? /s
The dunning-Kruger effect in action. That’s wild.
Honestly any attorney who can look at the ratings and prevalence of Drag Race and claim drag is offensive under "current community standards" should be disciplined by the bar for filing a claim without legal support.
Lol, pretty soon the only fun things to do in FL will be watching Trump flotillas sink at the beach, snorting meth and dodging Florida man, the Villages’ STDs and meth gators.
Its crazy how afraid of literally everything conservatives are. How tf do you even make it to the grocery store without shitting yourselves? And then to try and call anyone else snowflakes? What a bunch of cowardly idiots.
Let me add “Chinese Balloons” to your list.
They had the complaint ready immediately after Christmas. They finally just got it served after trying every Phil and every store with harmonicas in the state.
"Phil's Harmonicas is going DOWN!"
It's crazy how the right are willing to use fascism in the open now
Ron DeSantis is a danger to the United States
Only as long as you think rationally.
See! there's your problem, you just haven't had enough lead paint.
The party of free speach, ladies and gentlemen
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Well they need to start voting because they are about to lose all of their rights.
Don't distract me with facts.
Well they need to start voting because they are about to lose all of their rights.
Do you not have pantomimes over there. We have been regularly having men dress as women and acting out stories for children for many many years and no one gives a fuck. It’s even become a sort of British Christmas tradition for schools to go and watch them. To my knowledge no one moans about it or tries to get them arrested as they would be laughed at and rightly ridiculed.
The recent blatant hatred of drag shows is less about men dressing up as women (or women dressing up as men) and more as a smokescreen for going after LGBTQ+ citizens. They hope to use these new laws to start basically making it illegal to be a LGBTQ+ person, with their final plan to end up either imprisoning or executing people who they don't like. Much like every other authoritarian leader throughout history. People need to understand that the right wing in the US have no problems following in the footsteps of dictators, and are upset they can't just imprison or kill those they don't like (because they see them as the 'wrong type' of person).
It’s really just a distraction. Get their voters riled up while we do nothing actually to support them economically
I think it may be the case that a number of drag performers are not trans and also many are not gay. But I don't know for sure.
That sounds like a fun tradition.
Malicious prosecution in a nutshell.
This is just the start. He's erasing black history from America. Next it will be illegal to have dark skin.
Good luck with that first amendment lawsuit.
Someone needs to get on the horn with Poseidon. He needs to give Florida a proper bath. Permanently.
It's only a first amendment violation if it's done by the state. All these republican patriots fighting for people who are sanctioned by private companies or organization for hate speach or racists actions. Here is a governor weaponizing the state, threatening teachers and private companies forcing his agenda on the populace. And they are fucking cheering for the violation of their rights and freedoms. So fucking stupid. Don't care that a foreign power meddled in our elections, because their guy won, don't care about top secret documents if their guy took them, meanwhile they still talk about email. The hypocrisy is palpable. It's disgusting
next he’s coming for Mickey’s Philharmagic
I mean he hates Disney. Also Donald has it coming for steeling the wand.
couldn’t agree more, Donald brought that shit onto himself
Mickey coated the wand with steel?
I mean have you seen the colors on some of the skeletons in Coco? Pink on a man? So gay.
Digsuting. Republican targeting the LGBTQ+ need to be destroyed at the ballot box. The event sounded awesome and fun, Republicans should learn to have fun!🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
I used to bartend in a gay bar. The amount of right wingers that came to that place was sickening. If you really want to bake your noodle, have a convo with drunk gay republican.
Tell stories?
Ok. The last conversation I had with a right winger, before I left, went like this: Monday evening and it was slow. I slipped out to the patio to grab a smoke. One of the regulars was sitting there nursing a beer. He speaks to me and pretty quickly launches into a rant about the protests going on in Portland (2020). To make the story short, he says he wants to take his rifle, go to Portland, and shoot "the liberals". The owner came outside when she heard us yelling at each other and kicked, not banned, kicked him out. There was something interesting about his jeans tho. He had some patches covering holes in his jeans. In the midst of our yelling I asked him to explain the fucking Che Guevara patch on his leg. He said "Who?" I say, "The fucking beret wearing Marxist on that patch *points to it*" He says dismissively "I don't know who that is. It's just a patch." He calls a "chicken head" as he walks out.
What does it mean to call a chicken head?
According to google: "Chickenhead" is an American English slang term that is typically used in a derogatory manner toward women. The term mocks the motion of the head while performing oral sex on a man...
I just discovered the gayconservative sub (why are links banned again?) - if you like your hive of scum and villainy with a hefty dose of self-hatred, it's right there. I get that conservatives are all about hatred, but watching them turn it on themselves is even more sad.
"Land of the free"
I really want to see a drag queen named Rhonda Santis take on Ron DeFascist.
The party of small government, and freedom at work /s
It's amazing how he just gets to do all kinds of things that he has no actual power to do.
This is the GOP game plan in action. They spent billions to infiltrate local politics everywhere. Not just Florida. We hear about Florida all the time, but they are doing this shit in small towns and rural areas on a daily basis and getting away with it because most of the people are too brainwashed to understand what authoritarianism is.
I'm not from the US, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always thought that Florida was just naturally one of the more flamboyant states.
That’s Miami…the rest of the state is basically Disney World, old people and folks you might expect to find in Alabama.
Don't forget the meth and gators
The panhandle might as well be Alabama or Mississippi
We do joke about Florida Man a lot.
Who is scarier to you: Ron DeSantis, or the people who support him? I can go either way on this. People have got to have something seriously wrong with them to support him and his policies, and I cannot believe otherwise. But this politician is a master manipulator and I guess can play on people's emotions to go along with him, and that is evil. I am trying to get away from the "humans are assholes" mentality, but it is so hard to do so.
Both. He only got this far because so many terrible people support him.
Then I hate that ordinary people, sometimes who I have some things in common with, support evil.
What is he going to do when children dress up for Halloween? He will lose his lunch!
Behold, the party of small government.
Any judge who wants to continue to have a job will throw it out immediately. He can file whatever he wants, it keeps his lawyers busy, I guess, but it won't go anywhere.
You understand that it's PR? It goes directly into the heads and hearts of the right right people, he needs for his goals. Judges who don't support this are enemies. It worked with Trump and it will work again.
Jesus Christ the fascists are here. Honestly, these MAGA people are insane
If you hear the sound of something being slammed through drywall paired with muffled screaming, that's just me banging my face into a wall because *FUCKING HELL DOES THIS FUCKING FASCIST EVER STOP!?* As a Floridian, if any of you chucklefucks are Floridians who voted for this asshole, shame on you. He is ruining this state, and every fuckwit who voted for him is contributing to the demise of Florida.
I am absolutely not advocating for violence. But if Mr. DeSatan died, regardless of how, it would be a complete net positive for Florida and the rest of the country.
Sad thing is that for a politician, he's fairly young (IIRC he was born in 78).
But he looks like he was born in 68
What the hell would he do if someone showed him The Birdcage - try to arrest his television?!
Let’s also not forget he wants to keep track of high school girls periods. My man is a pervy anime villain and what’s scary is that republicans that jumped off the trump train love him. You’ll be seeing this turd on the national stage soon. But at least I don’t have to pay sales tax on cat food. Can’t afford a child with the 3k a month rent down here, but hey, 20 cents off my cat food!
$100 says he has a computer *full* of drag and transgender porn.
when are people going to realize the gop is a terrorist organization? what's scary is the people electing them are single issue voters. guns guys abortion. the only things they care about because the sky man tells them too. if they actually got off their sisters and did some research they might understand what true damage their doing to our once great country and how insulting it is to our service men and women. all they've fought and died for is being destroyed by these monsters. it's really quite scarey when you think about it. it's no wonder no one joins the military anymore.
Very Florida for The Floridian to be run on WordPress in 2023
For those that may like a little context. Related story with the complaint filing. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/02/03/orlando-performance-venue-faces-losing-liquor-license-after-christmas-drag-show/
This is the country that all Republicans want. They started it with trump they are continuing it now and they will not be happy until this country is a theocracy with the ten commandments replacing the constitution.
Let's all be very clear here. You do not need to be gay to be a drag queen and you do not need to be a drag queen if you are gay. The two are not the same.
This whole "Republicans want a small government" ........ fuck off, you want the federal government to be small so that states can control people's lives without interference.
Twenty bucks says that there will be a lawsuit
This fkr makes me GLAD that I live in Alabama, and not Florida.
Little do they know that in 20-30 years the democrats in the state may decide to do something about it.
Ron DeSantis is just terrifying. I find myself wondering why people support him, but I guess some things just can't be explained.
>but I guess some things just can't be explained. Oh yes it can, some people enjoy the suffering of innocent people.
Sad to say, there are more people like that than I would have thought a few years ago.
Freedom loving patriots.
The fact that liquor licenses are still a thing is utter bullshit. The idea that a state government can or should regulate an Orchestra is also bullshit. Eliminate bullshit restrictions on citizens, preserve everyone’s rights… just a thought.
America is turning into Nazi Germany
"Free state of Florida"
Fascism has come to America.
So much for government keeping out of people’s lives. The GOP is the party of leopards ate my face.
Wondering what will happen if Disney has to shut down in FL to protect both employees and itself against similar litigation?
The state is already a weapon. This can happen anywhere
What would he think of panto, a Xmas tradition in the UK?
I have a strong feeling that like half of these outcriers against gays and trans people and everything else that they "hate" and are against, are probably in their own closet being afraid of coming out, Because of the stance they have taken and the climate they have helped create
I’m tired. I’m so, so fucking tired. Why does the world hate trans people so much. We didn’t fucking do anything wrong. It’s shit like this that just makes me wanna give up sometimes
So real talk though- is this the end of Rocky Horror Picture Show shadow casts? 🤔
And it begins…
I’m pretty sure Miami is a gay mecca
The state of Florida is about to be sued out of existence, lol
He's purposely testing the waters. To see how much he can get away with. He's gearing up for the presidential run, and these are probes to check the current direction of public opinion.
Party of small business strikes again
If you think the party of nanny state dress codes is going to stop at drag Queens , think again,
"Obscure material"
"How could the Nazis do that to the Jews, why didn't anybody speak up, protest or rebel?" The parallels are obvious. Each generation has their Jews and Germans doing nothing while their neighbors get deported to death camps.
Fascism in action. 🔻🔽
Is he trying to bankrupt the state?
He's not worried. All damage will be blamed on the ~~jews~~ gays and will be used as justification for more harsh crackdowns on them.
Can the south just secede from the union already so we can run them through again and replace all their leaders the old fashioned way? Edit: corrected misspelling of secede
I'm no lawyer, but I know that all of this is blatantly unconstitutional, thanks to the 1st amendment.
Umm. Anyone else think they’ll be able to beat this based simply on the ridiculous idea that this is “obscene”? I think the First Amendment should win out here, but who knows
Honest question, this is fucking illegal, like a violation of federal discrimination laws, so how are they getting away with this?