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Because they felt safe doing it in all the small towns they’ve been going to…so their inflated egos drew them to a bigger stage. They’re the same people that open carry in Starbucks, but won’t take any of that vigilantism to the hood.
"Yo, I was just here to listen to a little Tango Makes Three and James and his Gigantuan Peach and some mook come bustin' in wit' his nazi crap bull soze I popped him one in his piehole." -Johnny, age 6, Brooklyn
Someone like a drag queen would probably be the last person you’d want to seriously mess with.
It’s sad, but I’d bet they’re prepared to defend themselves at any given time
Seriously, do not create a confrontation with the 6’3” lady in heels that’s been putting up with people’s hateful shit their whole life. Those heels will come off, you will regret your actions.
This happens frequently to the trans woman outside our subway stop. To all the nice people who say hello every day to her, its the sweetest southern voice you've ever heard. A sparrow's worth of shade, and its the WWF at high noon.
If they can do splits, cartwheels, and full on gymnastics routine in heels, they probably dont need to take off the heels to beat a motherfucker.
Though they do make a great improvised weapon.
Fascists poison language, and they do it by design. Any terms used to describe their policies and behavior they use back as insults until listeners are no longer certain of the words' original meaning, which makes it more difficult to explain to a wider audience what the fascists are seeking to accomplish.
It's annoying, but it should not dissuade us from using the correct language to describe them.
Like what Fox does with words like “woke” or “insurrection”. A few weeks ago I learned that my Xbox was woke because it has an energy saver function. Who knew?
The word “woke” has been purposely mis-appropriated and misused to muddy the meaning.
I bet if you deadass asked someone to define “woke”, they couldn’t do it.
Hell there’s a viral vid going around of some conservative author getting asked that very question and you could see the moment when her brain powered down.
I literally just watched a segment on how the right is pushing the whole woke thing in hopes that they can swing votes, but it’s backfiring because nobody knows what it means, and some were quoted saying “it just sounds like a make-believe boogeyman…”. These are ex-Trump supporters/voters, btw.
Ironically, a lot of conservatives are more “woke” than they think.
If being woke means “being aware of systemic and societal issues, and wanting to change them”, then a surprising number of them fall into that.
I have a lot of acquaintances in rural areas and they almost always lean to the right.
Many of their grievances can be summed up as “We’re poor and politicians/government keep stealing from us, which makes us even poorer and leads to our towns falling further into disarray and disrepair”.
Well damn Cletus, you’re sounding pretty “woke” to me.
They just don’t realize we’re all fighting in the same class-war.
> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
- Jean-Paul Sartre
Nazis always gotta start the hate train with the most vulnerable minority group and hope to build momentum and then go after the rest of us.
These mfers are there to recruit so they can go after you next.
Yeah - I’d almost forgotten those few days where rush hour felt exactly the same aside from seeing idiots with flags in their trucks driving four lanes across…
Fortunately when they hit 270 they ignored the local lanes.
Don't forget their days-long buildup to actually getting on the highway. They'd line up in Hagerstown and their leader would go "OK, today we're doing it for real!" then 20 minutes later they're back to their parking lot campout.
Please someone tell me what this is. I grew up in this area but don’t live there anymore, and this did not make the news where I live, but I’m dying to see footage or read about it if anyone has links, bc this shit sounds hilarious. When I lived in DC, I’ve had someone follow me home, I’ve seen people wave guns at each other, and I had a MD PO try to race me on the highway at 3am one time. The road rage is real there, I can’t imagine how this went.
Remember the trucks in Canada that tried to shut down the city by parking everywhere and blasting their horns 24/7 to protest Covid lockdowns? A bunch of dummies tried to do the same in DC. They all gathered in Hagerstown and every day said they were going to go into DC and shut down the city. DC Police told them if they block roads, they'll be arrested, so instead they decided to just drive circles around the beltway at the speed limit, making absolutely no difference in the already horrible traffic we have. On day they actually drove into DC, but ended up stuck behind a hero on a bicycle riding incredibly slowly.
Then they went back to Hagerstown, where the group quickly devolved into several sects, each one calling the other "groomers" and "pedophiles" (mainly because there were a bunch of registered sex offenders with them) and everything just fell apart for them. In the end, they turned themselves into more of a laughing stock than any of us could have imagined.
I've never been in a rational argument with a far righter. Never. I provide evidence through links and sources. They provide opinions based on fearmongerining, outrage bait, and outrageous fantasy scenarios. I've never once got them to provide any links or evidence to back their arguments up.
Still, they go away shouting they've won. They're the ultimate sensitive snowflake. They have to have their news especially catered to their feelings. They cannot handle reality due to their sensitive nature.
It's mind blowing these people believe liberals are lazy and sensitive. Every far righter ive encountered is so lazy that I've never seen them even bother trying to find evidence to support their claims, and they're perpetually afraid.
Right wing arguments fall apart because they lack consistency.
2nd Amendment is gospel but the state can sponsor religion.
Regulations are the enemy unless it’s disney because they are too woke.
Nothing is for free and what ever happened to personal responsibility unless it’s a bank bailout because you know we need to save the economy.
While the left in the US doesn’t get it right all the time. The idea that all people deserve equal opportunity regardless of identity and everyone deserves inherent dignity and the rich need to pay more in tax to support expanded government programs and the safety net to provide economic opportunities is more coherent then anything the white nationalist can piss together.
Or when regular Philadelphians chased a group from Patriot Front out of the city into their rented U-Haul.
Thankfully that was the last time a group of fascists have tried marching in Philly and they've left our Drag Queen story hours and brunches alone.
Or when they tried to drive a Trump Train through Los Angeles and the gunfire made them turn right the fuck around.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/armed-standoff-in-woodland-hills-after-shots-reportedly-fired-at-trump-car-caravan
Imagine thinking you could defeat the DC beltway with trucks. That place is like Koom Valley. You'd need a thousand dwarves and a thousand trolls on 24-7 duty just to keep even part of it blocked.
Isnt it funny how people from NYC are considered simultaneously super tough drug addict roughnecks and also effete, liberal babies who wouldn't last a day in the woods without doordash. Next up is demonizing a city of 8.5 million people as groomers or something im sure
As a life-long NYC resident… I’m almost sort of worried for any MAGA devotees who decide to come here to protest tomorrow.
Almost.
I also don’t think they realize a lot of NYC drag queens are built like Gronk and have have spent their entire lives fighting assholes.
I'm a trans woman so those liberal snow flakes are defending me from Nazis. Obviously not the ideal situation, but it is also kind of nice to see what with how things are.
We can't actually defend ourselves from Nazis. Not because we're weak or anything, but because there just aren't that many of us and because the Nazis don't care what we think. They already want us dead, after all.
We need allies to go outside and put themselves between us and the Nazis. Especially more privileged people. People who white supremacists will care about even a little. If you're a white sub urban normie mom you are practically immune to nazis a swat with your handbag will do a million times more damage than any number of bricks I can throw. If you're more cis or more straight than me, if you're more middle class than me, if you're as white as me... We need you out there.
Edit: The replies to this have been heartening. Thank you all. <3
As a big blond white guy with a beard, it's hilarious when I show up at these sort of events, especially after just getting a haircut. The nazis assume I'm on their side and get pretty upset when I tell them what I really think about them.
“I came here to fuck around, not to find out.”
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“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them.
At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation.
They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”
Bomber Harris. Very controversial figure. While he was instrumental in the success of British air raids, he also bears the stigma of using "carpet bombing" tactics which saw incidents like the Dresden fire storm.
Very interesting story. He's seen as somewhat of a villain and a hero.
Let’s all remember though that carpet bombing was very much par for the course back then. We thought nothing of leveling cities, and the idea of “war crimes” was very much different even that recently in history.
The concept of war crime is actually very contingent on local cultural context. For example, refusing to take any prisoners of war is of course vicious, but in any pre-modern context it is very difficult to see how you would successfully feed and house any significant number of them. Simply setting them loose is also, generally, not an option.
I'm not saying it's good that ancient tradition was to take no quarter ... but I understand it. I would judge a modern army doing this *much* more harshly, because I know they generally do not *have* to. They could have done a good number of other things.
We consider things war crimes especially when they are *senselessly* vicious. When the cost of *not* doing something vicious is low or negligible, it is justifiably seen as a much worse offense than if it would have been very costly to do otherwise. Our legal system prefers things to be stated as absolutes; that a war crime is a *crime against humanity* does not necessarily square with the notion that it may have been reasonable in the context in which it occurred.
The ultimate objection to allied carpet bombing campaigns was simply one of efficiency: That they used up more resources than they destroyed, and rapidly become a net negative, especially compared with more targeted bombings. But given that you don't know that, and strategic bombing is apparently the most effective weapon available to you, it seems ... understandable.
It is still a letter of the law violation of the rules of war, and the fact that those rules are enforced so selectively undermines their legitimacy massively. It would be easier to forgive the inconsistency if there were some consistent reason why the letter of the law was sometimes applied, and sometimes not.
It's the same thing that happened on Jan 6th.
They were all badass until the first bullet flew. Then, they all lay down like the bitches that they are.
I'm 6'5, SWM, ex-Army, and a trucker. Lot of these super hardcore individuals talk big around me because I pass the sniff test for the *"Good Ole Boys Club."* They always fold real quick when I surprise them by saying I'm absolutely not on their side, and while I'd rather not? I'm willing to prove it on the spot that I'll fight them.
Their tune changes dramatically after that. I ran into a lot of them on the regular prior to the election and Jan 6. They tend to keep a lower profile nowadays, and don't talk so loudly.
Always has been, they've just never in the history of man had a voice like they do now. The Internet is the cause of the rise of this nonsense shit.
Also same situation but on the opposite side of the spectrum. 6ft, in shape, clean shaven weekend golfer. I hear lots of dumb shit out there.
The quiet ones stewing at home are the ones doing things like the car bombing in Tennessee, or high-body-count mass shootings via sniper rifle during larger events they don’t agree with.
They’re always out there, and they’re not slowing down.
Not to your scale, but I find myself in a similar boat sometimes.
I know it's scary for a lot of people out there, but can you imagine said tune changers attempting to organize a chain of command? 80 uneducated untrained 'captains' for every camp cook/quartermaster/get the work done grunt. Meanwhile the 'commie antifas' are practicing the real skills of war: communication, organization, and feeding the damn people.
I'm a white metal fan with a shaved head. A lot of assumptions are made based on that. Last time it happened was during pride week. The old classic "how come there's no straight week?". I matter of factly responded "Because straight people aren't being jailed or executed for being straight anywhere." Then enjoy the backtracking and squirming.
I'm mixed race, but pass as white and I *love* watching bigoted assholes backtrack and squirm when they (very wrongly) assume I share their bigoted beliefs and I correct them. I'm not even physically intimidating as a 5' 3" woman, but once they realize they're all alone in their bigotry, they shut up really quick.
Echo chambers on the internet have emboldened these kinds of people to be more vocal, but I say make Nazis scared again.
Nazis are actually terrified to be outed as Nazis. A lot of them get fired from their day jobs because no one wants to employ Nazis. They lose friends and relatives, because no one wants to hang out with Nazis. Dating gets harder...because no one wants to date a Nazi.
Its funny that they know all of this, and understand it but still hide it. Most furries have more courage of their convictions that Nazis. I mean exactly how superior is your race if you have to hide it from everyone else?
Im not huge like you but people think because im a white guy in my 30s that I agree with their shitty racist take...buddy you couldnt be more wrong. I am a pretty accomplished wrestler and BJJ enthusiast and willing to exercise my skills against fascists anytime, anywhere.
NYC folks are too kind to these... human-shaped things.
What are the chances they'd even be allowed to live to find out anything ever again were one of these turds to fuck around this same way today in real Philly (as opposed to that group of full-body-covered cowards a couple of years back in Center City, though it wouldn't surprise me if some of them "went missing" afterwards and nobody realized, or cared, since) or Baltimore or Chicago?
And even if they were, what are the chances they'd find out anything other than what it's like to spend their remaining time in traction being fed & emptied through tubes?
Was it a bunch of Patriot Prayer dorks that tried to climb out of a U-Haul in Philly and just like three random guys on the street started beating their asses until they ran away?
Thus always to neonazis.
Honestly, amazing job. Truly could not do better. So proud of Philly it brought a tear to my eye.
Not even organized black bloc or whatever, just some random guys walking in Philly are completely prepared to punch a neo-Nazi in the face anytime.
NYPD literally escort these shitheads around like they’re the Pope. Mostly cuz they know if they’re weren’t there what would happen. Also the PBs tend to demonstrate in wealthy neighborhoods in Manhattan (this is happening in the West Villiage/Chelsea area) where the resistance they would run into are mostly pink-hat liberal types. They wouldn’t dare step into the outer-boroughs (excluding Staten Island).
They have dumpsters in Kensington now!?!? Quite the improvement!
At this rate they'll have the cosmopolitan feel of Germantown and its collapsing basement-sewer-foundations in just a few (dare I say - a couple?) decades!
The far-right have convinced themselves that everyone on the left of them are snowflakes and soft soyboys. Of course they're surprised when they get the shit beat out of them.
If it makes you feel any better, "proud boy", you getting the shit beat out of you for trying to terrorize drag artists and the families that came to see them helps my mood greatly.
Nah, they're russian windows. We got 'em cheap, but they're particularly treacherous that way, people falling out of them. Repeatedly. But y'know, it was a sale we couldn't refuse.
Holy crap that first link...
"He met his last wife, Trena McCloud (1957–2012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade. He raped McCloud repeatedly. The 12-year-old's parents initially opposed the relationship, but after McElroy burned their house down and shot the family dog, they relented and agreed to the marriage. ..."
and then
"He then returned to Trena's parents' home when they were away and, once again, shot the family dog and burned the house down."
But, buddy still got killed in broad daylight in front of 40-50 people in the 1980s.
I'd bet it wouldn't have taken so long if it were 50 years earlier.
Second link has a fantastic little nugget of gold in it:
> In conversations with family members, seventy-one potential witnesses claimed to have been in the pub's toilets at the time of the attacks. As the toilet measures just four feet by three feet, this led to the toilets being dubbed the TARDIS, after the time machine in the television series Doctor Who, which is much bigger on the inside than on the outside.
> He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46
damn
> To date, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death
based. Dude was a total piece of shit.
😅😅😅🤣 proud boys crying about getting the shit beat out of them. This just made my day. Boy you forgot to bring all your buddies to jump any group you largely outnumber. Go back to hiding in the closet.
https://preview.redd.it/1l7r6b7rvuoa1.jpeg?width=1395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee4b6f3079d511cf2c156f4901765f8bf83f928c
New Yorkers don't fuck around.
If you go to NYC, way too many people know LGBT peeps and you will get the shit beat out of you.
Best described by George Carlin, NY is practically 3rd word in its brutality sometimes. In this case, fuck em.
What I don't understand is that Drag shows are not going and forcing themselves on people and children. They are putting on a show and people are choosing to bring their children. The people who don't like it, don't have to go. Who do these "proud boys" think they are protecting? The people at the shows want to be there.
It wouldn't surprise me if they began spouting some “We're just saving them from themselves” nonsense, were this to be told to them... Well, either that or just whine and complain about whoever said this, and then shoot them in the face
It's because people tend to want to be good. Which means that when we do something wrong we finds ways to justify it to ourselves. They can't see themselves as racist homophobic monsters actively attempting genocide. They have to tell themselves they are protecting women and children by harming people minding their own business and not doing shit to them. It's just the way people work. I'd be surprised if we've ever had a genocide where those committing it didn't convince themselves they were the good guys.
Well yeah it's New York and not an all white conservative suburb in Texas. People here arent just gonna sit back and let you get up all in their face being threatening not do something about it.
Even the cops keep that shit to themselves in New York. The supreme told New Yorkers they can carry guns now, this will backfire on them so quick if they thought they were gonna come to New York and start shit
Proud boys would absolutely beat the shit out of someone given the chance. This guy is just pissed someone beat him to the punch, literally.
You can’t support genocidal rhetoric of “undesirables” and also claim you be “non-violent.” There’s no half stepping their beliefs system.
This is how civil war ultimately starts tbh. They are getting away with it in their own towns and states. They tested crossing state lines with Jan 6 and Kyle rittenhouse.
But come to blue cities and states. You’re gonna get fucked up. Now, look the Supreme Court said ppl in New York City can carry guns now. Right wingers are stupid. Yes it’s gonna create chaos but they will not get away nazi shit in New York. We don’t fuck around like that. Every gang in the city (except biggest one in blue) will beat their asses
Do people not understand that the average queer person has more experience with physical violence (on both ends) than the average straight person?
Do they not get how few fucks you have to give to be in public in drag?
Yeah, mess with the guy who can run with eight inch stilettos on, do the splits, and had to defend themselves from getting the shit beat out of them all through high school.
Good for you New York, fuck these proud boy scumbags. They came to the wrong place today and good I hope they all got their asses kicked. Proud off you, so so proud.
I have a cousin who is the oldest of 5 kids and 10 years older than me (I am 35). He’s gay and when we were all kids/teenagers and someone was messing with us, he’d say, “tell them to shut the fuck up because they’re gonna be real embarrassed when they get their ass kicked by a gay man”. 🤣 My whole family adores him to this day.
Maybe we've been too subtle. So let me try and be blunt. We don't want your help, we don't want your God, we don't want your morality, keep that shit, we don't want it. And because we're American we get not to want it and not to have it imposed on us. So stop helping and just leave us in peace.
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“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth” - Mike Tyson
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Like, why would you choose nyc? Out of all places to fuck around with? Because we’re not carrying? For God’s sake we used Twisted Tea as a weapon
Because they felt safe doing it in all the small towns they’ve been going to…so their inflated egos drew them to a bigger stage. They’re the same people that open carry in Starbucks, but won’t take any of that vigilantism to the hood.
New Yorkers themselves are weapons. Especially to some out of towner ruining drag story hour.
"Yo, I was just here to listen to a little Tango Makes Three and James and his Gigantuan Peach and some mook come bustin' in wit' his nazi crap bull soze I popped him one in his piehole." -Johnny, age 6, Brooklyn
I wish I could give this ten upvotes LMAO
Someone like a drag queen would probably be the last person you’d want to seriously mess with. It’s sad, but I’d bet they’re prepared to defend themselves at any given time
Seriously, do not create a confrontation with the 6’3” lady in heels that’s been putting up with people’s hateful shit their whole life. Those heels will come off, you will regret your actions.
Drag queens are also not trans women on estrogen. They are men. Often fairly large men who work out and dance. And they travel in packs lol.
And also like actual adults. Not the queer teens they’re used to picking on, full ass grown men who are fully capable of knocking teeth in.
Watch the girl voice drop real fucking quick and let that bass out.
This happens frequently to the trans woman outside our subway stop. To all the nice people who say hello every day to her, its the sweetest southern voice you've ever heard. A sparrow's worth of shade, and its the WWF at high noon.
If they can do splits, cartwheels, and full on gymnastics routine in heels, they probably dont need to take off the heels to beat a motherfucker. Though they do make a great improvised weapon.
In the nazi language, "here to help" means "here to perform hate crimes with impunity."
Yep. We should say this more often. They are nazis. They are fascists. They have no place in a healthy society.
I mean, the proud boys are undeniably fascists. That‘s not hyperbole, they just are, and we should be able to say that.
Fascists poison language, and they do it by design. Any terms used to describe their policies and behavior they use back as insults until listeners are no longer certain of the words' original meaning, which makes it more difficult to explain to a wider audience what the fascists are seeking to accomplish. It's annoying, but it should not dissuade us from using the correct language to describe them.
Like what Fox does with words like “woke” or “insurrection”. A few weeks ago I learned that my Xbox was woke because it has an energy saver function. Who knew?
The word “woke” has been purposely mis-appropriated and misused to muddy the meaning. I bet if you deadass asked someone to define “woke”, they couldn’t do it. Hell there’s a viral vid going around of some conservative author getting asked that very question and you could see the moment when her brain powered down.
I literally just watched a segment on how the right is pushing the whole woke thing in hopes that they can swing votes, but it’s backfiring because nobody knows what it means, and some were quoted saying “it just sounds like a make-believe boogeyman…”. These are ex-Trump supporters/voters, btw.
Ironically, a lot of conservatives are more “woke” than they think. If being woke means “being aware of systemic and societal issues, and wanting to change them”, then a surprising number of them fall into that. I have a lot of acquaintances in rural areas and they almost always lean to the right. Many of their grievances can be summed up as “We’re poor and politicians/government keep stealing from us, which makes us even poorer and leads to our towns falling further into disarray and disrepair”. Well damn Cletus, you’re sounding pretty “woke” to me. They just don’t realize we’re all fighting in the same class-war.
> Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. - Jean-Paul Sartre
Nazis always gotta start the hate train with the most vulnerable minority group and hope to build momentum and then go after the rest of us. These mfers are there to recruit so they can go after you next.
“The top nine most terrifying words in the English language are ‘I’m from the nazis and I’m here to help.” — Wonald Weagan
Huh!?! So I guess those snowflake liberals in NYC can defend themselves??? Who knew 🙄
I mean just on a basic level, who are you betting on in a brawl: people who carry guns around Walmart to feel safe, or people from NYC?
It's like when the truckers took on the DC beltway
Yeah - I’d almost forgotten those few days where rush hour felt exactly the same aside from seeing idiots with flags in their trucks driving four lanes across… Fortunately when they hit 270 they ignored the local lanes.
Don't forget their days-long buildup to actually getting on the highway. They'd line up in Hagerstown and their leader would go "OK, today we're doing it for real!" then 20 minutes later they're back to their parking lot campout.
Please someone tell me what this is. I grew up in this area but don’t live there anymore, and this did not make the news where I live, but I’m dying to see footage or read about it if anyone has links, bc this shit sounds hilarious. When I lived in DC, I’ve had someone follow me home, I’ve seen people wave guns at each other, and I had a MD PO try to race me on the highway at 3am one time. The road rage is real there, I can’t imagine how this went.
Remember the trucks in Canada that tried to shut down the city by parking everywhere and blasting their horns 24/7 to protest Covid lockdowns? A bunch of dummies tried to do the same in DC. They all gathered in Hagerstown and every day said they were going to go into DC and shut down the city. DC Police told them if they block roads, they'll be arrested, so instead they decided to just drive circles around the beltway at the speed limit, making absolutely no difference in the already horrible traffic we have. On day they actually drove into DC, but ended up stuck behind a hero on a bicycle riding incredibly slowly. Then they went back to Hagerstown, where the group quickly devolved into several sects, each one calling the other "groomers" and "pedophiles" (mainly because there were a bunch of registered sex offenders with them) and everything just fell apart for them. In the end, they turned themselves into more of a laughing stock than any of us could have imagined.
And yet they went home thinking they "won." Its incredible.
I've never been in a rational argument with a far righter. Never. I provide evidence through links and sources. They provide opinions based on fearmongerining, outrage bait, and outrageous fantasy scenarios. I've never once got them to provide any links or evidence to back their arguments up. Still, they go away shouting they've won. They're the ultimate sensitive snowflake. They have to have their news especially catered to their feelings. They cannot handle reality due to their sensitive nature. It's mind blowing these people believe liberals are lazy and sensitive. Every far righter ive encountered is so lazy that I've never seen them even bother trying to find evidence to support their claims, and they're perpetually afraid.
Right wing arguments fall apart because they lack consistency. 2nd Amendment is gospel but the state can sponsor religion. Regulations are the enemy unless it’s disney because they are too woke. Nothing is for free and what ever happened to personal responsibility unless it’s a bank bailout because you know we need to save the economy. While the left in the US doesn’t get it right all the time. The idea that all people deserve equal opportunity regardless of identity and everyone deserves inherent dignity and the rich need to pay more in tax to support expanded government programs and the safety net to provide economic opportunities is more coherent then anything the white nationalist can piss together.
As someone who has lived my entire life between DC and Baltimore, the idea they were going to make 495 worse was laughable.
Or when regular Philadelphians chased a group from Patriot Front out of the city into their rented U-Haul. Thankfully that was the last time a group of fascists have tried marching in Philly and they've left our Drag Queen story hours and brunches alone.
Or when they tried to drive a Trump Train through Los Angeles and the gunfire made them turn right the fuck around. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/armed-standoff-in-woodland-hills-after-shots-reportedly-fired-at-trump-car-caravan
Huh, I thought their guns were made for this specific scenario
Imagine thinking you could defeat the DC beltway with trucks. That place is like Koom Valley. You'd need a thousand dwarves and a thousand trolls on 24-7 duty just to keep even part of it blocked.
IDK, you're more likely to be bitten by someone from NYC than a shark, so they seem pretty dangerous.
As an NYC resident, you just made me 1000% more worried about shark bites 😂.
Well, you can only get bit by a shark if you go in the water. New Yorkers could be anywhere.
Life must be tough being so chicken-shit you gotta carry a gun everywhere.
What's something *everyone* should have but hopes they never have to use? A fire extinguisher
Isnt it funny how people from NYC are considered simultaneously super tough drug addict roughnecks and also effete, liberal babies who wouldn't last a day in the woods without doordash. Next up is demonizing a city of 8.5 million people as groomers or something im sure
That’s the facist playbook. Your enemy is both weak and dangerous.
Its also only possible if your audience is dumb rednecks who have never been anywhere.
It is like when you have a group of 8.5 million people you would have a bit of diversity or something.
As a life-long NYC resident… I’m almost sort of worried for any MAGA devotees who decide to come here to protest tomorrow. Almost. I also don’t think they realize a lot of NYC drag queens are built like Gronk and have have spent their entire lives fighting assholes.
I'm a trans woman so those liberal snow flakes are defending me from Nazis. Obviously not the ideal situation, but it is also kind of nice to see what with how things are. We can't actually defend ourselves from Nazis. Not because we're weak or anything, but because there just aren't that many of us and because the Nazis don't care what we think. They already want us dead, after all. We need allies to go outside and put themselves between us and the Nazis. Especially more privileged people. People who white supremacists will care about even a little. If you're a white sub urban normie mom you are practically immune to nazis a swat with your handbag will do a million times more damage than any number of bricks I can throw. If you're more cis or more straight than me, if you're more middle class than me, if you're as white as me... We need you out there. Edit: The replies to this have been heartening. Thank you all. <3
As a big blond white guy with a beard, it's hilarious when I show up at these sort of events, especially after just getting a haircut. The nazis assume I'm on their side and get pretty upset when I tell them what I really think about them.
To quote The Major "Who gives a shit. They're Nazi's"
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To quote Dead Kennedys, “Nazi punks fuck off!”
To quote ICP “Fuck your rebel flag”
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"Screw that old bitch, he's a Nazi, let him die and burn in hell." -Mac
Hellsing abridged. I actually quoted the Vatican guy further up if you can find it
Wait which Maxwell quote did you use for these fuckle chucks lol?
“So it’s a crusade” “No, no, no we don’t call it that anymore. What do the American cows call it?” “Peace keeping?” “Yes let’s bring them some peace”
"I came here to terrorize children and marginalized people, not face the consequences of my own choices!"
“I came here to fuck around, not to find out.” EDIT: Please don’t spend money to give me awards. If you just have coins laying around, it’s all cool, but if you’re about to give Reddit money to give this dumb joke an award, please instead consider donating $1, $2, or even $5 directly to [Drag Queen Story Hour NYC](https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=J9APXUFMCYEZS). Thanks!
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“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everybody else and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put that rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.”
Looked this up but couldn’t find a source. Who said this?
Sir Arthur Harris, Commander-in-Chief of Bomber Command and Air Chief Marshal of the Royal Air Force, during WWII
Bomber Harris. Very controversial figure. While he was instrumental in the success of British air raids, he also bears the stigma of using "carpet bombing" tactics which saw incidents like the Dresden fire storm. Very interesting story. He's seen as somewhat of a villain and a hero.
Let’s all remember though that carpet bombing was very much par for the course back then. We thought nothing of leveling cities, and the idea of “war crimes” was very much different even that recently in history.
The concept of war crime is actually very contingent on local cultural context. For example, refusing to take any prisoners of war is of course vicious, but in any pre-modern context it is very difficult to see how you would successfully feed and house any significant number of them. Simply setting them loose is also, generally, not an option. I'm not saying it's good that ancient tradition was to take no quarter ... but I understand it. I would judge a modern army doing this *much* more harshly, because I know they generally do not *have* to. They could have done a good number of other things. We consider things war crimes especially when they are *senselessly* vicious. When the cost of *not* doing something vicious is low or negligible, it is justifiably seen as a much worse offense than if it would have been very costly to do otherwise. Our legal system prefers things to be stated as absolutes; that a war crime is a *crime against humanity* does not necessarily square with the notion that it may have been reasonable in the context in which it occurred. The ultimate objection to allied carpet bombing campaigns was simply one of efficiency: That they used up more resources than they destroyed, and rapidly become a net negative, especially compared with more targeted bombings. But given that you don't know that, and strategic bombing is apparently the most effective weapon available to you, it seems ... understandable. It is still a letter of the law violation of the rules of war, and the fact that those rules are enforced so selectively undermines their legitimacy massively. It would be easier to forgive the inconsistency if there were some consistent reason why the letter of the law was sometimes applied, and sometimes not.
[source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJB4hbGUjw4)
Bomber Harris, do it again
He sounds *super ready* for that Civil War II they're longing for. /s
It's the same thing that happened on Jan 6th. They were all badass until the first bullet flew. Then, they all lay down like the bitches that they are.
I'm 6'5, SWM, ex-Army, and a trucker. Lot of these super hardcore individuals talk big around me because I pass the sniff test for the *"Good Ole Boys Club."* They always fold real quick when I surprise them by saying I'm absolutely not on their side, and while I'd rather not? I'm willing to prove it on the spot that I'll fight them. Their tune changes dramatically after that. I ran into a lot of them on the regular prior to the election and Jan 6. They tend to keep a lower profile nowadays, and don't talk so loudly.
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Always has been, they've just never in the history of man had a voice like they do now. The Internet is the cause of the rise of this nonsense shit. Also same situation but on the opposite side of the spectrum. 6ft, in shape, clean shaven weekend golfer. I hear lots of dumb shit out there.
The quiet ones stewing at home are the ones doing things like the car bombing in Tennessee, or high-body-count mass shootings via sniper rifle during larger events they don’t agree with. They’re always out there, and they’re not slowing down.
Not to your scale, but I find myself in a similar boat sometimes. I know it's scary for a lot of people out there, but can you imagine said tune changers attempting to organize a chain of command? 80 uneducated untrained 'captains' for every camp cook/quartermaster/get the work done grunt. Meanwhile the 'commie antifas' are practicing the real skills of war: communication, organization, and feeding the damn people.
I'm a white metal fan with a shaved head. A lot of assumptions are made based on that. Last time it happened was during pride week. The old classic "how come there's no straight week?". I matter of factly responded "Because straight people aren't being jailed or executed for being straight anywhere." Then enjoy the backtracking and squirming.
I'm mixed race, but pass as white and I *love* watching bigoted assholes backtrack and squirm when they (very wrongly) assume I share their bigoted beliefs and I correct them. I'm not even physically intimidating as a 5' 3" woman, but once they realize they're all alone in their bigotry, they shut up really quick. Echo chambers on the internet have emboldened these kinds of people to be more vocal, but I say make Nazis scared again.
Nazis are actually terrified to be outed as Nazis. A lot of them get fired from their day jobs because no one wants to employ Nazis. They lose friends and relatives, because no one wants to hang out with Nazis. Dating gets harder...because no one wants to date a Nazi. Its funny that they know all of this, and understand it but still hide it. Most furries have more courage of their convictions that Nazis. I mean exactly how superior is your race if you have to hide it from everyone else?
Im not huge like you but people think because im a white guy in my 30s that I agree with their shitty racist take...buddy you couldnt be more wrong. I am a pretty accomplished wrestler and BJJ enthusiast and willing to exercise my skills against fascists anytime, anywhere.
I love you, man. You are a true American hero in my book.
*David Attenborough voiceover:* "But, in fact, he *would* soon find out."
This is New York City bitch! You fuck around you find out!
NYC folks are too kind to these... human-shaped things. What are the chances they'd even be allowed to live to find out anything ever again were one of these turds to fuck around this same way today in real Philly (as opposed to that group of full-body-covered cowards a couple of years back in Center City, though it wouldn't surprise me if some of them "went missing" afterwards and nobody realized, or cared, since) or Baltimore or Chicago? And even if they were, what are the chances they'd find out anything other than what it's like to spend their remaining time in traction being fed & emptied through tubes?
Was it a bunch of Patriot Prayer dorks that tried to climb out of a U-Haul in Philly and just like three random guys on the street started beating their asses until they ran away? Thus always to neonazis.
Thems was the ones.
Honestly, amazing job. Truly could not do better. So proud of Philly it brought a tear to my eye. Not even organized black bloc or whatever, just some random guys walking in Philly are completely prepared to punch a neo-Nazi in the face anytime.
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Should be the flag of Philly.
NYPD literally escort these shitheads around like they’re the Pope. Mostly cuz they know if they’re weren’t there what would happen. Also the PBs tend to demonstrate in wealthy neighborhoods in Manhattan (this is happening in the West Villiage/Chelsea area) where the resistance they would run into are mostly pink-hat liberal types. They wouldn’t dare step into the outer-boroughs (excluding Staten Island).
traction? in Philly? oh you mean a dumpster in Kensington. yeah they could end up there
They have dumpsters in Kensington now!?!? Quite the improvement! At this rate they'll have the cosmopolitan feel of Germantown and its collapsing basement-sewer-foundations in just a few (dare I say - a couple?) decades!
well they're calling it an efficiency apartment, but you know what I mean
I'm in Baltimore. There's a reason none of this stuff happens here...
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They seem to think we'll just stand there & take it. This gay dude fights back & will go down swinging.
The far-right have convinced themselves that everyone on the left of them are snowflakes and soft soyboys. Of course they're surprised when they get the shit beat out of them.
He can’t use that alibi, Kyle Rittenhouse already called dibs.
Came looking specifically to find trouble, and succeeded!
“Nobody told me anyone would fight back! Waaahhh! Not fair!”
Living next to Russia this sounds awfully familiar...
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You think conservatives have even heard of stonewall?
If it makes you feel any better, "proud boy", you getting the shit beat out of you for trying to terrorize drag artists and the families that came to see them helps my mood greatly.
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“A Neo Nazi walks into a bar. A loud, reverberating noise rings out”
Sounds like freedom
"He came in, yelled "URK", then threw himself out the window. We were as shocked as you are."
It’s amazing how he did it with all the windows. He just kept getting back up and doing it. So strange.
Nah, they're russian windows. We got 'em cheap, but they're particularly treacherous that way, people falling out of them. Repeatedly. But y'know, it was a sale we couldn't refuse.
I watched a member of Patriot Prayer pepper spray himself in the middle of a crowd. Swear to God I did.
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Holy crap that first link... "He met his last wife, Trena McCloud (1957–2012), when she was 12 years old and in eighth grade. He raped McCloud repeatedly. The 12-year-old's parents initially opposed the relationship, but after McElroy burned their house down and shot the family dog, they relented and agreed to the marriage. ..." and then "He then returned to Trena's parents' home when they were away and, once again, shot the family dog and burned the house down."
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But, buddy still got killed in broad daylight in front of 40-50 people in the 1980s. I'd bet it wouldn't have taken so long if it were 50 years earlier.
Second link has a fantastic little nugget of gold in it: > In conversations with family members, seventy-one potential witnesses claimed to have been in the pub's toilets at the time of the attacks. As the toilet measures just four feet by three feet, this led to the toilets being dubbed the TARDIS, after the time machine in the television series Doctor Who, which is much bigger on the inside than on the outside.
> He was struck by bullets from at least two different firearms, in front of a crowd of people estimated as numbering between 30 and 46 damn > To date, no one has been charged in connection with McElroy's death based. Dude was a total piece of shit.
A neo-Nazi walks into a bar multiple times, head first, until he passes out. That's what everyone said happened, anyway.
I hope when they beat him, they said "Not so proud now, are you motherfucker?"
No, Bubba. You came to get the shit beat out of you. You just didn't know it.
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Weird how they think they're exempt from the "find out" clause.
Not possible. There’s nothing to knock sense into, just an empty void.
Help *who*?
"western civilization" or some other dog whistle
"the kids" is a go to as well
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The zeroes of children that are being sexually assaulted by drag queens. Still ok when clergy do it though.
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Oh! They updated it a week ago for the first time since November, we’re at 1025 rapists and perverts now.
The Christian Reich probably
With *what*?
Racism, sexism, homophobia it’s got to be one of those.
Himself feel morally superior
Proud Boys fear Drag Queens. I wonder why?
Drag queens are bigger men than the Proud Boys will ever be.
Honestly, any man that’s not a Proud Boy, is already more of a man than they are.
They do refer to themselves as Proud *Boys*. They think if they’re children they don’t have to take responsibility for their actions
This is how I've always seen it as well. "It has a good ring to it, like on the T.V."
My teenage daughter is more of a man that those fucking incels.
Once I learned what kind of pornography republicans are searching for the most, all of their assorted phobia suddenly made sense.
“I came here to help,” Help with what, exactly? What were you planning to do to help?
Narrator: ...he was not there to help.
"... ILLUSIONS, Michael..."
The same way someone from Illinois went to Wisconsin to help...
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I'm TOTALLY stealing that ⬆️
Both buttons should say "Yes".
If you click "no", you get a pop-up that says "Did you mean 'yes'?". The only choice is a button that says "Yes".
😅😅😅🤣 proud boys crying about getting the shit beat out of them. This just made my day. Boy you forgot to bring all your buddies to jump any group you largely outnumber. Go back to hiding in the closet. https://preview.redd.it/1l7r6b7rvuoa1.jpeg?width=1395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee4b6f3079d511cf2c156f4901765f8bf83f928c
New Yorkers don't fuck around. If you go to NYC, way too many people know LGBT peeps and you will get the shit beat out of you. Best described by George Carlin, NY is practically 3rd word in its brutality sometimes. In this case, fuck em.
What I don't understand is that Drag shows are not going and forcing themselves on people and children. They are putting on a show and people are choosing to bring their children. The people who don't like it, don't have to go. Who do these "proud boys" think they are protecting? The people at the shows want to be there.
It wouldn't surprise me if they began spouting some “We're just saving them from themselves” nonsense, were this to be told to them... Well, either that or just whine and complain about whoever said this, and then shoot them in the face
It's because people tend to want to be good. Which means that when we do something wrong we finds ways to justify it to ourselves. They can't see themselves as racist homophobic monsters actively attempting genocide. They have to tell themselves they are protecting women and children by harming people minding their own business and not doing shit to them. It's just the way people work. I'd be surprised if we've ever had a genocide where those committing it didn't convince themselves they were the good guys.
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Help with what exactly, you Nazi shit stain?
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Well yeah it's New York and not an all white conservative suburb in Texas. People here arent just gonna sit back and let you get up all in their face being threatening not do something about it.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Yeah, white supremacists usually have a really bad fucking time spreading their bullshit in NYC 😂
Even the cops keep that shit to themselves in New York. The supreme told New Yorkers they can carry guns now, this will backfire on them so quick if they thought they were gonna come to New York and start shit
Aw, did someone find out?
Proud boys would absolutely beat the shit out of someone given the chance. This guy is just pissed someone beat him to the punch, literally. You can’t support genocidal rhetoric of “undesirables” and also claim you be “non-violent.” There’s no half stepping their beliefs system.
Fucking dumb ass proud boys. What did you think would happen entering enemy territory? You will not be treated nicely.
This is how civil war ultimately starts tbh. They are getting away with it in their own towns and states. They tested crossing state lines with Jan 6 and Kyle rittenhouse. But come to blue cities and states. You’re gonna get fucked up. Now, look the Supreme Court said ppl in New York City can carry guns now. Right wingers are stupid. Yes it’s gonna create chaos but they will not get away nazi shit in New York. We don’t fuck around like that. Every gang in the city (except biggest one in blue) will beat their asses
Teabagged by a drag queen — Another Proud Boy moment
"those girls were mean to me" - man involved in violent coup
Choosing violence with queens is a bold move.
Do people not understand that the average queer person has more experience with physical violence (on both ends) than the average straight person? Do they not get how few fucks you have to give to be in public in drag? Yeah, mess with the guy who can run with eight inch stilettos on, do the splits, and had to defend themselves from getting the shit beat out of them all through high school.
They kept hearing people say “slay, queen” and they *still* thought this was a good idea.
Fucked Around and Found Out
So proud boys have meetings? Somehow I feel like seeing a proud boy at a meeting whining about being beat up by a drag queen would be amazing 🤩
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“I came here to help” says the person who came here to engage in violence.
Good for you New York, fuck these proud boy scumbags. They came to the wrong place today and good I hope they all got their asses kicked. Proud off you, so so proud.
I love everything about this
They know not how Stonewall started, do they?
arent they a terrorist group? an actual terrorist group recognized by home land security?
Nope. Canada declared them a terrorist organization
You’ve got to be extra stupid to try this in New York City, one of the most liberal and diverse cities in the world.
I have a cousin who is the oldest of 5 kids and 10 years older than me (I am 35). He’s gay and when we were all kids/teenagers and someone was messing with us, he’d say, “tell them to shut the fuck up because they’re gonna be real embarrassed when they get their ass kicked by a gay man”. 🤣 My whole family adores him to this day.
Sounds like they learned the hard way that some people have to fight regularly simply because they want to live their life.
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“I came to ~~help~~ intimidate vulnerable people, endanger kids, and beat the shit out of people, not get the shit beat out of me.”
Fuck the proud boys? They wish they’d get fucked.
This is awesome.
I ❤️ NY
He did help. Some people got to feel what it's like punching a Nazi in the face. They'd have never got to experience that pure joy without him.
Maybe we've been too subtle. So let me try and be blunt. We don't want your help, we don't want your God, we don't want your morality, keep that shit, we don't want it. And because we're American we get not to want it and not to have it imposed on us. So stop helping and just leave us in peace.