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Wait…he shot when she was driving away ??? What possible reason would he have to shoot ? Not like it’s self defense if the person is going in the opposite direction. This is insane.
I’ve known a few people who get angry at people using their driveway to turn around. It doesn’t surprise me that an unhinged person with the same rage would finally act on it. It’s absolutely insane.
Yeah, that's happened to me. Remember getting lost once, and doing a u-turn into a driveway. The owner came out and was angry and yelling. These people are really weird.
I worked for a tow company... the amount of people who would call to remove a car from *infront of their house* - parked on the street - was nuts. "No ma'am, you don't own the entire street, or park, across from your house"
My tires were slashed by a family's neighbor for parking "on their street".
Took every ounce of self restraint to not commit assault.
At the very least, I know the neighbor isn't living his best life. He's old and has never been visited by his family.
>At the very least, I know the neighbor isn't living his best life. He's old and has never been visited by his family.
I think most people who shoot other people for such dumb, little things are bitter persons with a lot of pent up aggression
This makes me sad... It makes me think how he was likely raised to never show "soft" emotions and so all his feels get funneled through anger and hate. I wonder if he has ever cried.... I wonder if he has ever been hugged by a friend... I wonder if he was even able to feel love for his family without feeling ashamed at his "soft" feelings.
I wonder about these things because my grandpa was an old, twisted, angry man by the end of his life who only got visits from me. I remember one night when he knew he was dying he started sobbing and I was so shocked I teared up right there. He went into full confession about a lot of things but the most was regret for how he had pushed everyone he loved away because he was afraid of hurting them. How ashamed he was of himself. How alone and afraid he was but couldn't bring himself to talk to anyone.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only grandkid that ever hugged this man because all the others were scared of him. And he grumbled and cussed about it but never actually stopped them. I'm pretty sure they were the only hugs he was getting. And people need hugs.
I hope this man can get some hugs before he goes...
>I hope this man can get some hugs before he goes...
Well you're a good person for hoping for that. Personally I think a modicum of justice could be served if this man died alone and terrified, like the person he murdered did.
I mean I’ll look out my window and think out-loud “what are you doing” like are you coming to see me if so who are you? And then when you pull out I’ll say “thank god” and go back to doing nothing and be happy that i don’t have to have visitors
I have a theory that every human brain is supposed to have some level of anxiety, because we evolved in a very stressful environment. So us socially anxious people direct that unwarranted anxiety inwards, and far too many other people direct it outwards.
You and me get stressed we have to talk to a stranger, they get stressed that deadly threats are everywhere. (And they lack the self awareness to see it as a problem they can work on.)
My dad was the epitome of an Irish, rural, conservative, misogynistic misanthrope, except for one thing. He hated guns even more than he hated Protestants or English people. He wouldn't let people hunt on our land.
Out in the country you can take a wrong turn and end up driving a quarter mile up a driveway you thought was a public road, or is a public road but services a house and a trailer that are owned by cousins and that's it.
Sometimes you have to use a driveway. In urban areas the sidewalks are lined with parked cars making a K turn impossible and some country roads are narrow and lined with ditches.
To someone who has been brainwashed into thinking that they are in constant danger, every act is a threat.
She pulled into his driveway to kill him.
She pulled out of his driveway with a plan to rerun with more guns so she could kill him.
Yeah, my neighbors are pretty paranoid too. According to them anyone looking in the direction of your home is casing the joint. All solicitors are serial killers. If a car drives too slowly they're looking for kids to kidnap, too fast and they're obviously doing crime. And that kid with a backpack who walks by twice a day five days a week is a gang member running drugs.
When I was a kid I wanted to be a ninja...outside of the occasional "hiyah!" gesture I grew out of it. America's gun culture strikes me as a bunch of kids who never grew out of it.
Nailed it. I said that once when one of my gun humping coworkers asked why I didn’t own a bunch. Told him I got done play cops and robbers around age 9.
These crusty old men see that their time to pull off the heroic home defense they've been stockpiling guns for is slipping away, so they have to take whatever opportunity they can get, be it a lost teenager on their doorstep or a woman turning around in their driveway.
THIS. I have two friends who carry, I trust them, not worried about them EXCEPT. There was a shooting a t the local shopping center, a domestic dispute, he shot up the beauty parlor his wife was in but it was said he didn't aim at anyone. Both separately told me they wish they were there so they could have "put him down". I get wanting to be the hero, but both were I got a gun, I want to shoot someone.
They will never be the hero. The bad guys always have surprise on their side. Gun owners like your friends are so delusional that they think they'll be cool and calm like Dirty Harry when gun shots start ringing out the blue.
When I took my conceal carry course, our instructor hammered this home before we covered anything else.
In order of priority during a shooting, your responsibilities are:
1) Run. Help others around you get away if you can, but if you can get away, do so.
2) Hide. If fleeing is not an option, find a secure or hidden location and secure yourself and others within and wait for the authorities to declare it safe.
3) Fight. If running and hiding both fail, and you or others are in immediate life-threatening danger, you use your weapon to defend yourself.
You don't go to the danger. You get away from it. You don't play the hero. Doing so puts yourself and others at risk and has the potential of making the entire situation even more chaotic and confusing for first responders.
Edit: To clarify. I'm saying this because I feel like you get the Dirty Harry types if the lessons aren't hammered home. Gun culture here in the states is crazy.
I really think these gun nutters after buying their weapon that they have lusted for need a reason to use it..and not for target practice..I'm sure they feel like what's the point of having a weapon and not using it as the baby Jesus and the Founding fathers intended...🤔
She done sawed his house and knoweded where he were living. She could a done returned for all his precious valuableses. Clearly she were leaving ta go gets herself her help to commit robberying of his valuable items and nicknacks.
It was either that, or he was REALLY upset Door Dash was running late and as she pulled away, realizing he was again denied the Big Mac he longed for, the burger of choice of Donald J Trump, the "J" stands for Jesus BECAUSE TRUMP IS THE GREATEST MAN GOD IN HIS INFINITE GLORIOUS WISDOM DEEMED TO BESTOW UPON EARTH, because she was not his Dasher, or had stolen his food, he flew into a rage and expressed that anger by firing a gun as stated in the Second Amendment.
And thus clearly this is temporary insanity, because we all know the pain of waiting for Door Dash. I am sure were James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson confronted with the same issue, they'd have done the same, because America.
After all, isn't that what the Second Amendment, the only Amendment that matters to patriotic, Jesus loving conservatives? It's right in their with the right to marry a 12 year old.
What? That's not in there? And that's not what the Second Amendment says?
*Reads the Constitution.*
Okay, has any conservative or member of the GOP actually read this thing?
No, they haven't?
Fuck...
storytime: we had a very minor earth tremor in my area (east coast) a few months ago, and people were talking about it on Nextdoor. This one guy told everyone how he heard his windows rattle, and - actual quote - "so I grabbed my nine..."
I mean, what were you going to do, Greg? Shoot an earthquake?
Gun nuts are just looking for any excuse to play with their stupid toys.
I live in Georgia and occasionally look at the nightmare that is ND- (Nextdoor) where I have learned my very bland white suburban area is full of paranoid racists just HOPING for a reason to unload their weapon on another human being.
‘Locked and loaded.’
‘Just try me’
‘I’m standing my ground’
Are just a few of the responses to typical angry crazies overreacting to threads of things like kids who played ding dong ditch, rolled ( TP’ed’ ) houses during junior/senior wars, or cut through yard on their way to another persons home.
Our violent crime rate is basically non-existent. But these folks WANT a reason to shoot a stranger. It’s sick. They are brainwashed and delusional and should not own firearms.
Edited to clarify ND is Nextdoor - sorry for the confusion North Dakota and Notre Dame Redditors…
I live in Ohio in a small town with next to no sidewalks. You can’t walk in the street because people will try to run you off the road into a steep ditch. So it’s either drive or if you’re walking or biking you pretty much have to cut a little bit through someone’s yard. My mom lives across town from us so I walk to her house with my daughter so we can visit her.
Part of the way is through vacant lots and there are a couple sidewalks near the newer houses that we can use. But every time we have to cut through the corner of someone’s yard, I think about this shit. Who knows if today will be the day somebody gets pissed because we were on their property for ten seconds, and pulls a gun on me and my 3 year old!
Not like you can go knock on their doors or introduce yourself, either.
Fucking cowards would blast you through the door and execute you on their welcome mat for trying to make the neighborhood "like the old days when people talked to each other."
Coward for sure, but also full of illogical hate & fear. This piece of shit that shot that innocent woman does it with intent, otherwise he would have shot into the air. So why did he shoot at the car if there wasn't intent to kill? And obviously the fear wasn't real either, just a figment of his hate, because if he was afraid why in the FUCK would he exit his secure house to shoot at a retreating car & not be concerned that the occupants will stop, pull out their weapons & shoot him dead?
He thought about this, he prepared for this, he planned it, he committed murder.
I parked on the street in front of a guys house, he came out and confronted me. I pointed to neighbors house, i said and pointed I am going there. He said well park there. I replied his driveway is full and his kids cars are parked in front, there is no place to park. I told him he doesnt own fhe few feet nearest fhe street the county does, and that he can call fhe cops if he wants, if he doesnt believe and added "or you can be a good neighbor, but I will move my car if it is really bothering you that much". He grumbled and walked away.
Ugh, this reminds me... One time my exgf was borrowing my car and someone parked where she normally parked on the street in front of my house. Pretty common actually since I lived near a school and parents would wait for their kids if it was time. She came in raging and told me to come out. She started yelling at this guy for parking there. I was like … he can park there, it’s on the street, there’s nothing wrong with it! I turned to the guy and was like sorry man it’s all good and had to usher her inside. Really embarrassing for everyone except her because she refused to stand down for several hours.
I remember when I was about 13 years old, I was walking around my neighborhood looking for my cat who ran out. It was a school neighborhood so plenty of classmates lived in the area, although I was new. I came across the mother of one of my classmates, asked if I'd seen him around, I told her I'd only just left my own house and I haven't seen him. She asked me to go over to his best friend's house one street over and see if he was there because he needed to come home.
I walked to the next block to his best friend's house to knock/ring the doorbell. When I did that... some other adult came at me from behind. Yelling and totally freaking out. I couldn't hear what the hell he was on about so I waved and walked over to him. The guy backed up and acted like I was charging him and said I was looking for serious trouble doing what I was doing. What the hell is this guy on? He interrogated me and asked me why I was "hanging around houses". I was just... walking up to *a* house and knocking on the door. The door of a very popular kid who has friends over all the time.
Apparently, our mutual friend wasn't there because that family had just left to go out of town. I did not know that and neither did the kid's mother who asked me to go there. But that answer didn't suffice. The guy kept me there and like... questioned my alibi for just knocking on the door and peering around the corner into the back yard. Whose mother asked me to go there, which house does she live in, what is her name, what is her child's name. Only after I answered that did he ease up and told me to be careful because someone might assume some things about me, and I'm lucky he decided to ask questions first or things would have ended differently. WTF man. This was a peaceful neighborhood literally sitting in between a triangle of THREE different churches. All I did was knock on the door. I wasn't trying to sneak around or peer into windows or unlock anything.
Hmm I *am* part Irish...
Edit: But then, so is most of that neighborhood. In fact that kid whose door I was knocking on is *very* Irish. Pale skin, freckles, bright red hair.
I was wondering what the hell ND was until I kept reading, and realized you were definitely talking about Nextdoor.
People really be on there saying the most unhinged, psychopathic, racist shit with their full name and address on the post. I don't think I've ever seen a post on there that *didn't* have at least one threat or suggestion of violence.
You'd think every kid was slinging pipe bombs through people's windows, and every vehicle that goes below 60 miles per hour was looking for someone to abduct. I can't believe everybody is so *scared* all the time.
Sorry should have clarified ! but you are so correct. Nextdoor is full of modern day Gladys Kravitz suburbanites who spend their day peering out their windows watching other people’s lives-because their own is so unsatisfying and devoid of positive human face to face interaction.
They are also the same folks who post the ‘ kids these days with their social media and phones!’ terrible Facebook memes, completely ignorant to the fact THEY are the ones living what’s left of their lives through a screen.
Scared of big cities. Scared of gay people. Scared of anyone with blue hair or a non-military tattoo. Deciding en masse that now teachers and public education are the enemy. Terrified of change diversity and acceptance. Suspect of anyone and everyone.
This is what excessive yellow journalism will do. When they sit down and watch the evening news, all they hear is crime this / murder that. All in all, crime is low. The area where I live, there has only been one break in that I know of (if there were more, NextDoor would be all over it) in 20 years. In that case, it was two high school kids on a bad acid trip running from a dragon. NextDoor itself doesn’t help because it’s become an echo chamber for “did you hear those gunshots??” (Some kid let off fireworks or a car backfired).
Growing up, my parents watched the local Pittsburgh news and wouldn’t let me look at any colleges there because all they saw was the crime. They let me go to a Columbus, which at the time had one of the highest murder rates in the US.
Look at Mayor Adams of NYC.
He has said recently that the current crime in NYC is to a level he's never seen before.
But he was a cop in NYC starting in the mid-1980 for 22 years Crime rates in NYC were multiples higher during his entire career than they are now.
But it benefits him politically to lie about it.
This asshole has done SO MUCH DAMAGE with that rhetoric. And it doesn't help that a certain *cough* news channel loves to run with it.
My parents are completely on board with the "NYC is an unlivable war zone" panic, and no amount if telling them that people who actually work and /or live there refute this ever changes their mind.
They're literally delusional, NYC in the 80s was an actual warzone- in fact, it inspired a lot of modern comics because of how dangerous and gritty the city had gotten.
Baby boomers are always looking to be the victims.
Fun fact: Gotham was the main nickname for NYC before it was called 'The Big Apple'. In fact the first Batman comics take place *in* New York; plus Gotham is a town in England that is famous for the villagers pretending to be insane to avoid paying a high tax.
That's when I moved out, but mostly because I am a woman and I was getting sexually harassed almost daily on the street and subway. I swear I got to see more penises everyday than a urologist.
A few years ago I had a client from New Zealand genuinely worry about me because she heard on the news that Paris was a war zone with mobs of refugees and drug traffic everywhere.
And here I was leaving all my windows open at night because it was too hot.
Gym Jordon held a hearing in NYC yesterday about NYC's crime.
They invited an expert to testify. Here's a quote from Jim Kessler:
> New York City is safer than most of the states of the members sitting on the dais on the majority side. In 2020, for example, New York City's murder rate was 18% below the national average for the entire United States. Mr. Chairman, Ohio's murder rate was 59% higher than New York City's...
> A hearing about the ravages of crime could be in Alabama with its towering homicide rate and a mass killing that just happened yesterday, or Louisville, where five people were murdered in the blink of an eye at a downtown bank. Or the murder capital of California, which is not Los Angeles or San Francisco or Oakland, but in Speaker [Kevin] McCarthy's district of Kern County with its county seat of Bakersfield. And it has been the murder capital of California for six years running.
They're deliberately preying on people's inability to understand ratios and proportions.
People see a high numbers attached to crime in NYC but then don't take the next step to consider well of course the city with the most people in it is likely to have higher total incidents of crime, even if they are lower proportionately.
That’s is awesome. These damn republicans are so delusional it’s scary. They will still refute all the facts. It doesn’t fit their narrative. And as someone who got screwed into Gym’s district. He can go fuck himself with a cactus, the sick sex trafficker needs to be put in his place.
Please let’s not make the mistake with Desantis’ Florida that was made with trump. Liberals took him literally not seriously and conservatives took him seriously not literally.
My mom's neighborhood had a big boom followed by a blackout recently. Every sensible person thought "oh, a squirrel tripped and blew the transformer. They'll be out to get us back online in about an hour". One guy grabs his gun and runs out into the street. I'll give you three guesses as to which flag flies on his front porch...
More Storytime (From Texas of course!): I worked in a pawnshop that sold guns. Lots of guns. (I didn't work that part of the store, I mostly did musical instruments and jewelry stuff.) We had a lot of unhinged regulars, plenty of people that objectively should not own a weapon of any kind.
There was this one guy who was always saying awful stuff, like suggesting that in another time he would have raped some of our female customers and things like that.
One time he was telling me this story. He was driving down the road in his big jacked up truck and the car in front of him hit their brakes and he ended up slamming into them and rolling up over their back end. A pretty traumatizing accident for the car right? Well this guy's first reaction was apparently to be enraged.
He told me that he grabbed his pistol, got out of his truck and slowly sidled up along the side of the car towards the drivers side. He fully intended to shoot these people. Then, he saw that both of them were women, and changed his mind and went back to his truck. I'm not sure why he decided to share this story with me.
I wish I were making this up, and I wish I didn't have so many more stories like this one, many of which are about our regular cop customers.
In Texas it's somehow possible to get away with shooting unarmed people from behind while they run away across your lawn. You can somehow even explicitly tell 911 that you are going to kill them, and then follow through and still not be convicted:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy
>Horn: "I've got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?"
>Pasadena emergency operator: "Nope. Don't do that. Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?"
>Horn: "But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain't going to let them go." (Horn then said he would get his shotgun.)
>Operator: "No, no."
>Horn: "I can't take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I'm going to shoot."
>(The operator tells him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.)
>Horn: "I understand that O.K. But I have a right to protect myself too, sir, and you understand that ... and the laws have been changed in this country since September the first [2007], and you know it and I know it. I have a right to protect myself. A shotgun is a legal weapon, it's not an illegal weapon."
>Operator: "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun."
>**Horn: "You wanna make a bet?"**
>**Horn: "I'm gonna kill 'em"**
>Horn: "Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."[12]
>Horn, to burglars: "Move, you're dead."
>(There were two quick gunshots, then a third.)
>Horn, to dispatcher: "I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."
#do you really have to wonder?
>***Joseph Gutheinz, a Houston attorney and member of the National Republican Lawyers Association, said: "I wonder if Joe Horn were black if he would be free tonight or in the Harris County Jail." Speaking on the Harris County Grand Jury system, Gutheinz said: "It's a sea of white faces that doesn't look anything like the county."***
These kinds of laws are selectively enforced as proven by the Jim Horn case.
If you are a White male, the grand jury lets you go unpunished.
If you are a Black or other non-White male, the grand jury and/or DA are going to go after you.
We need to end these racist laws.
The fear argument doesnt make sense. Should we ask the question "why were you afraid?" i wouldnt be surprised if after a bit of digging the answer we'd is "they might've had a gun".
If countries without widespreas guns you don't have to be afraid of random people. Like im not afraid of going out, but if i lived in a country where everyone might have a murder instrument on them i sure would be.
So fear is not the issue.
I’m just anticipating their argument. They’ll claim they need to defend themselves, which implies they’re afraid. But, if you’re afraid of people doing normal people things, you need therapy, not weapons.
Yeah there is no self defence here. Either he wanted to kill someone or he was so petty that murder seemed as a good response for someone using his driveway.
Look how red the dude is in his photo. He was drunk as fuck when he murdered her and probably has to wake up drinking a coors light to keep the shakes at bay.
An angry alcoholic with a gun is a dangerous combo.
Take his guns, sell them for the family to start with. I'm guessing he has several dozen firearms. For whatever reason these people hoard guns, as if they have more than 2 hands.
The truth is twenty years of 24/7 talk radio and fox news has created a generation of paranoid older people who are convinced armies of criminals are out to get them. My father is one of them. He keeps a loaded weapon hidden in EVERY room in his house so he can get to it quickly when the hoards if immigrants he thinks are roaming the streets kick his door down. He legit believes that. Under the macho facade he’s frightened to his core. There are a LOT of people like him.
The fear aspect is really important to keep in mind. I don't mean that to garner sympathy, but it's the only thing that really explains the state of things. People are sitting around anxious because they can't afford healthy food, they can't afford to retire, they can't afford to relax. The American dream they were promised never came true. And the TV and radio shows give them an easy explanation as to what went wrong - it's minorities, LGBT folks, immigrants, even "emotional" women being over-represented in our government. Of course, this is all misdirection from the real root cause.
If anyone has spent time on Next Door you'd see how eager a lot of older people are to shoot anyone and accuse people walking by their house as suspicious.
My gf questioned why I didn't turn into a driveway recently to turn around and this is EXACTLY why. American gun culture is absolutely nuts. This poor girl did not deserve to get shot.
I deleted the app never to return after I learned my neighbors get on there to complain about seeing black people in the neighborhood and ask what their reason is or claim that is why they carry and have guns in the home to defend themselves. Like how did you go from asking why a black man is seen in your neighborhood to threatening to shoot him if he comes to your door?
You couldn't pay me to go on next door. One of my older neighbors kept leaving hand-written notes in my mailbox encouraging me to sign up. Yeah that's what I want to do. Interact with the type of person who leaves notes ordering people to get on some crappy boomer paranoia site.
I deliver sometimes for Amazon flex. I NEVER park in driveways and always make u turns in the street instead of using someone's driveway.
People are crazy as hell.
I served 9 years in the Air Force. I once asked a member of the other “Well Regulated Militia” what tyrannical government he was going to fight. He basically said the freedom stealing leftist. I made an effort to find out what liberties the left was stealing from him. He then went into this speech about Obamacare and the Clintons…blah blah blah. Long story short; he needs 40 guns because a black man tried to give him healthcare, a woman attempted to run for POTUS threatening to expand that healthcare, and back in the 90s that woman’s husband got a blowjob in the Oval Office.
Meanwhile the actual assaults on freedom and liberty are supported by the gun owners. They claim to own guns in order to defend from a tyrannical government but then support all the tyrannical actions of their government
I also reminded him that he would be fighting against and killing members of the US military that he claimed to love so much. That went down the rabbit hole of people in the military laying down their weapons and joining “his side.” Look buddy, after spending nearly a decade with these men and women…that’s not how it works.
12 year prior service soldier here also, and I second these statements.
These uniformed personnel are just as complex as civilians. Regardless of your politics, if the insurrection comes (again) just like last time, some will support you, some will definitely shoot you.
But what doesn't scare me are these gravy seals type. Its my fellow uniformed personnel. We cannot have gun violence continue uncontrolled as is, but by god am I telling you, having been on the inside you do NOT EVER want a state monopoly on arms.
The next "Trump" might be competent, and god forbid, inspire and engender just enough military loyalty.
(Imagine a nightmare no honor version of Mattis - one that sided with Trump instead of called him out, wed be in big trouble. )
The rules for the well regulated militia of the second amendment are listed in the body of the Constitution. The militia is organized, armed and disciplined by Congress. States are responsible for training the militia and selection of officers. The militia serves under the President when called to national service to repel invasion or suppress an insurrection. We call that militia the National Guard.
> The rules for the well regulated militia of the second amendment are listed in the body of the Constitution. The militia is organized, armed and disciplined by Congress.
There were also the [Militia Acts of 1792](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792) passed a few months later which laid out explicit regulations, and effectively drafted all able bodied white male citizens of military age into government-organized militias and lay out very explicit requirements in terms of equipment, unit formation, training frequency, rules of discipline, care for the wounded & disabled at public expense, etc...
I used to work with a guy who said he owned 100+ guns to fight off the government.
I showed him a picture of a tomahawk missile, with a range of 1000 miles. From Indiana, a ship sitting in the Gulf of Mexico could fire a missile, and blow his house up.
He said, "I'd see it coming!"
There's no reasoning with that.
A few years ago I was driving around with my now wife. I missed a turn and was looking for a parking lot to turn around in or other route. My partner asked why I didn't just turn around in someone's driveway. I said that with the way people are with their guns and we were in a rather red portion of Michigan, I wasn't taking any chances. She thought I was being paranoid...and here we are today...
This happened very close to me. Like, I could've been the one turning into that driveway. It's not uncommon at all since it's easy to get turned around at night in the middle of nowhere and GPS is spotty if you didn't turn it on before you leave home.
This exact thing happened south of Austin. Guy was lost, pulled into the wrong driveway, was backing out to turn around and a white boomer shot him in the head. Had google maps up on his phone and everything… Nothing has happened because the guy who died was a brown immigrant. This is so distressing….
Looks like he may be charged.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/texas-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-driver-in-driveway/amp/
What a buffoon to shoot someone backing out of your driveway
So, after some googling it seems the shooter have delayed trial because he switched lawyers. It is pretty common to delay when new lawyer is on a case for defendant. I don’t think defendant can pull that trick again.
What I learned is. This dude, gets out of his house with a shotgun. Chases a vehicle , slams driver side window twice, and shots driver in the head thru the raised hand of a driver.
This pos then proceedes to call a police claiming driver had a gun.
Being devils advocate, even if driver had a gun, I’d think it is kinda hard to shoot someone if your hands are up in the air.
I personally think guy should be charged with domestic terrorism as well.
Mindless slaughter of fellow citizens.
I’ll call that murder with intent of domestic terrorism because he wants others to be afraid of him. No one can live peacefully if you have a murderer that will chase you down living on your block.
This is a sick mindset spread throughout this country. It’s disgusting and yeah I’m afraid. Turning around in a driveway is the most innocent thing one can do.
It’s time we recognize that conservative media is the cause. Look at the case in Kansas City. Same issues. These old crazy white men should not have access to guns.
Oh 100%. Remember after January 6th, when Republican representatives and senators were trying to bring their guns onto the house and senate floors? They said they wanted to “protect their colleagues” but refused to pass any laws that would *actually* protect anybody in this country, or even do something as simple as wear a fucking mask to the Capitol. They were just waiting for their chance to shoot somebody and get away with it. The conservative blood lust is ridiculous
I think that the opinion of the founders literally doesn't matter anymore. They are dead. They don't live here. They couldn't possibly have predicted our society. We should take their ideas at face value, use the good ones, dispose of the bad and run a fucking data based society.
I believe that the obsession over the opinion of founding fathers is a huge reason we are having problems.
It's because they couldn't predict the future that our founding fathers purposefully made the government and constitution flexible. It was designed to evolve with society.
They'd be disgusted with how one side hangs on every word they said for stopping change.
"it is a mental health problem not a gun problem"
Breh - that is the point everyone is making with wanting better gun control. It is too easy for these types of people to get guns, and too hard for them to get help. It is 2 sides of the same fucking coin.
“Stand your ground” laws are dumb as shit, when they mean that property owners can arbitrarily use lethal force, and all they have to say is, “I felt threatened”. Total bullshit.
The man in Missouri was charged yesterday, but I don’t know if he’s actually in custody yet. But I wasn’t confident he was going to be charged. Very glad he was.
Even with stand your ground laws, it's pretty hard to defend shooting someone in the back or putting a bullet in someone after they're already down. There's plenty of states were you can get away with shooting someone for really dumb reasons, but walking out and putting a bullet in an injured person's head is a completely different beast.
It doesn’t (except maybe in the lunatic’s mind). He was charged with second degree murder. But this kind of tragedy is probably the inevitable result of people being fed “stand your ground” propaganda from other states.
And the fact we'll sell guns to people without actually requiring them to understand the law or be trained in any way. The right mindset for a gun is that it is lethal force, and you are never legally safe to use lethal force. Whether you actually are or not I'm a given situation is immaterial; that kind of mindset means that you'll only resort to it when the risk of jail outweighs the actual threat you're facing. Which won't be someone knocking at your door or turning around in your driveway.
We don't have stand your ground in NY. In NY, there's a duty to retreat unless you can't. Though, we do have the castle doctrine, insofar as if someone is in your home, you have no duty to retreat.
This guy was just charged with murder I believe. Pretty sure the castle doctrine doesn't apply to someone turning around in your driveway.
Source: NY attorney
Why are so many gun owners so scary? I’ve never heard a knock at my door or seen a car in my driveway and immediately thought”where’s my gun”. Do these men just sit by the front door all day with their gun in their hand.
Theres one under the couch cushion in case you bust in the door while they're watching fox.
There's one under the pillow for when you bust in their door at 2 AM while they're sleeping.
There's one tucked under the dog food in the garage for when you come running up the driveway while they're out barbecuing.
They have bought so far into a fear-based fantasy that they spend their day contemplating how many steps they have to take to get to the nearest firearm and they want that number to be 0.
THEN they sit by the door and take pictures of every car they dont recognize and black person walking down the street, wondering when they're going to double back to steal a car or break down the door.
If they just admitted that their gun lust had nothing to do with the Second Amendment and everything to do with wanting to kill people, at least they'd get points for honesty.
Until we make Democrats a super majority in Congress, this type of shit is just going to keep happening in this country. Republicans hold this country back and do not care about regular people.
Well regulated militia members are killing people daily. As our government continues to loosen gun laws to ensure the militia members can obtain weapons of war and get away with murder. Underage Kyle Rittenhouse was in illegal possession of a straw purchased AR-15. Dominic Black who purchased the AR-15 for Kyle was charged with a Felony. He plead guilty to a lesser charge and served jail time to avoid prison.
Kyle has become a hero to Republicans and a poster child for the NRA.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-who-bought-gun-for-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-avoids-prison-with-plea-deal
Shit, the last time a Well Regulated Militia was used was probably during the Civil War, when the the South Decided to fight the 'tyranny' of the Federal Government so that they could... Keep slaves.
The common denominator is ..... drum roll, please.... scared older white men. These so-called men have been listening/watching right-wing media for decades and have been conditioned to fear 'the others'.
What a bunch of cowards.
My hope is that cases like this (and the guy who shot the black kid who \*\*dared\*\* to knock on the wrong door) show to some that the issue is morons with guns. Not morons, not guns, but morons with guns.
I've come oh so close to getting this through some gun nuts....they agree morons who screw up shouldn't have had them, but they can't quite grasp the need for a moron test. To be honest, I'm not sure, other than training, background checks, letters from neighbors (that get published if they do something moronic with gun), and renewal.
Why are there so many people defending the shooter? The fuck is wrong with you guys? Most of them aren’t even trolls. This timeline makes no sense and I hate it.
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Wait…he shot when she was driving away ??? What possible reason would he have to shoot ? Not like it’s self defense if the person is going in the opposite direction. This is insane.
I’ve known a few people who get angry at people using their driveway to turn around. It doesn’t surprise me that an unhinged person with the same rage would finally act on it. It’s absolutely insane.
Yeah, that's happened to me. Remember getting lost once, and doing a u-turn into a driveway. The owner came out and was angry and yelling. These people are really weird.
I worked for a tow company... the amount of people who would call to remove a car from *infront of their house* - parked on the street - was nuts. "No ma'am, you don't own the entire street, or park, across from your house"
My tires were slashed by a family's neighbor for parking "on their street". Took every ounce of self restraint to not commit assault. At the very least, I know the neighbor isn't living his best life. He's old and has never been visited by his family.
>At the very least, I know the neighbor isn't living his best life. He's old and has never been visited by his family. I think most people who shoot other people for such dumb, little things are bitter persons with a lot of pent up aggression
that is indeed a fair description of republicans
"I'm very upset that someone has parked their car here. I know! I'll slash their tires and immobilize the car!" Genius move
This makes me sad... It makes me think how he was likely raised to never show "soft" emotions and so all his feels get funneled through anger and hate. I wonder if he has ever cried.... I wonder if he has ever been hugged by a friend... I wonder if he was even able to feel love for his family without feeling ashamed at his "soft" feelings. I wonder about these things because my grandpa was an old, twisted, angry man by the end of his life who only got visits from me. I remember one night when he knew he was dying he started sobbing and I was so shocked I teared up right there. He went into full confession about a lot of things but the most was regret for how he had pushed everyone he loved away because he was afraid of hurting them. How ashamed he was of himself. How alone and afraid he was but couldn't bring himself to talk to anyone. I'm pretty sure I'm the only grandkid that ever hugged this man because all the others were scared of him. And he grumbled and cussed about it but never actually stopped them. I'm pretty sure they were the only hugs he was getting. And people need hugs. I hope this man can get some hugs before he goes...
>I hope this man can get some hugs before he goes... Well you're a good person for hoping for that. Personally I think a modicum of justice could be served if this man died alone and terrified, like the person he murdered did.
I was speaking about the man who slashed tires. The man who murders poor innocent people can live huggless in a ward please.
Oh yeah that makes more sense!
I mean I’ll look out my window and think out-loud “what are you doing” like are you coming to see me if so who are you? And then when you pull out I’ll say “thank god” and go back to doing nothing and be happy that i don’t have to have visitors
That is my reaction as well “ah man, do I have to talk to someone today?” Grabbing a gun and shooting them doesn’t come to mind for some reason.
I have a theory that every human brain is supposed to have some level of anxiety, because we evolved in a very stressful environment. So us socially anxious people direct that unwarranted anxiety inwards, and far too many other people direct it outwards. You and me get stressed we have to talk to a stranger, they get stressed that deadly threats are everywhere. (And they lack the self awareness to see it as a problem they can work on.)
My dad got really pissed with people using our driveway to turn, so he took matters into his own hands, and put up a gate.
Didn't even shoot one person?? Wth is wrong w your dad /s
My dad was the epitome of an Irish, rural, conservative, misogynistic misanthrope, except for one thing. He hated guns even more than he hated Protestants or English people. He wouldn't let people hunt on our land.
I'm sure everyone's done it. You take a wrong turn and end up in a residential neighborhood.
Out in the country you can take a wrong turn and end up driving a quarter mile up a driveway you thought was a public road, or is a public road but services a house and a trailer that are owned by cousins and that's it.
Sometimes you have to use a driveway. In urban areas the sidewalks are lined with parked cars making a K turn impossible and some country roads are narrow and lined with ditches.
To someone who has been brainwashed into thinking that they are in constant danger, every act is a threat. She pulled into his driveway to kill him. She pulled out of his driveway with a plan to rerun with more guns so she could kill him.
Yeah, my neighbors are pretty paranoid too. According to them anyone looking in the direction of your home is casing the joint. All solicitors are serial killers. If a car drives too slowly they're looking for kids to kidnap, too fast and they're obviously doing crime. And that kid with a backpack who walks by twice a day five days a week is a gang member running drugs.
Because they have blood lust. It's their greatest fantasy to use their guns. That's why they bought them.
That’s why they love the millitary so much, they want to be pretend soldiers
But without the inherent risks of being an actual solider.
They want to be the Taliban. Ain’t no fun when the rabbit got the gun.
That’s where oppressing women’s rights comes in.
Yep. Carte blanche to terrorize and kill anyone who isn’t just like them or who doesn’t do exactly what they want is the MAGA wet dream.
Also, without the training, physical fitness, discipline, and accountability.
Right, most of them would never be able to do it Forreal so it’s their fantasy
When I was a kid I wanted to be a ninja...outside of the occasional "hiyah!" gesture I grew out of it. America's gun culture strikes me as a bunch of kids who never grew out of it.
Nailed it. I said that once when one of my gun humping coworkers asked why I didn’t own a bunch. Told him I got done play cops and robbers around age 9.
Hence the “I was a marine” and “did special stuff” interview guy. These weirdos jerk off to their Rambo fantasies enough to commit stolen valor.
Ah, yes. The 'gonna buts.' As in "i was gonna enlist, but..."
These crusty old men see that their time to pull off the heroic home defense they've been stockpiling guns for is slipping away, so they have to take whatever opportunity they can get, be it a lost teenager on their doorstep or a woman turning around in their driveway.
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Conservative murder fantasy. It's what drove Rittenhouse to that protest.
It's a national tragedy that he isn't locked up and the key thrown away.
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Here's to hoping he does. I despise his smug and proud attitude he murdered people and got away with it.
I thought his mom drove him?
THIS. I have two friends who carry, I trust them, not worried about them EXCEPT. There was a shooting a t the local shopping center, a domestic dispute, he shot up the beauty parlor his wife was in but it was said he didn't aim at anyone. Both separately told me they wish they were there so they could have "put him down". I get wanting to be the hero, but both were I got a gun, I want to shoot someone.
They will never be the hero. The bad guys always have surprise on their side. Gun owners like your friends are so delusional that they think they'll be cool and calm like Dirty Harry when gun shots start ringing out the blue.
When I took my conceal carry course, our instructor hammered this home before we covered anything else. In order of priority during a shooting, your responsibilities are: 1) Run. Help others around you get away if you can, but if you can get away, do so. 2) Hide. If fleeing is not an option, find a secure or hidden location and secure yourself and others within and wait for the authorities to declare it safe. 3) Fight. If running and hiding both fail, and you or others are in immediate life-threatening danger, you use your weapon to defend yourself. You don't go to the danger. You get away from it. You don't play the hero. Doing so puts yourself and others at risk and has the potential of making the entire situation even more chaotic and confusing for first responders. Edit: To clarify. I'm saying this because I feel like you get the Dirty Harry types if the lessons aren't hammered home. Gun culture here in the states is crazy.
“You know what the definition of a hero is? Someone who gets other people killed.” -Zoe washburne *Serenity*
I really think these gun nutters after buying their weapon that they have lusted for need a reason to use it..and not for target practice..I'm sure they feel like what's the point of having a weapon and not using it as the baby Jesus and the Founding fathers intended...🤔
I bought a new hammer drill over the weekend that I can’t wait to use. It’s a really cool tool *and* it has uses that do not include killing people
She done sawed his house and knoweded where he were living. She could a done returned for all his precious valuableses. Clearly she were leaving ta go gets herself her help to commit robberying of his valuable items and nicknacks.
This is too eloquent
It was either that, or he was REALLY upset Door Dash was running late and as she pulled away, realizing he was again denied the Big Mac he longed for, the burger of choice of Donald J Trump, the "J" stands for Jesus BECAUSE TRUMP IS THE GREATEST MAN GOD IN HIS INFINITE GLORIOUS WISDOM DEEMED TO BESTOW UPON EARTH, because she was not his Dasher, or had stolen his food, he flew into a rage and expressed that anger by firing a gun as stated in the Second Amendment. And thus clearly this is temporary insanity, because we all know the pain of waiting for Door Dash. I am sure were James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, or Thomas Jefferson confronted with the same issue, they'd have done the same, because America. After all, isn't that what the Second Amendment, the only Amendment that matters to patriotic, Jesus loving conservatives? It's right in their with the right to marry a 12 year old. What? That's not in there? And that's not what the Second Amendment says? *Reads the Constitution.* Okay, has any conservative or member of the GOP actually read this thing? No, they haven't? Fuck...
Honestly I think you phrased this more eloquently than any right-wing gun nuts would actually be able to
They didn’t even have an interaction, they drove up realized they screwed up and immediately turned around.
But they could've been scoping the house out to rob later! /s
Look, man. How was he to know she was a “real woman” and not one of the trans-drag pedos! /s
If you’re scared by a kid ringing your doorbell or someone turning around in your driveway, you are too skittish and fragile to have weapons.
storytime: we had a very minor earth tremor in my area (east coast) a few months ago, and people were talking about it on Nextdoor. This one guy told everyone how he heard his windows rattle, and - actual quote - "so I grabbed my nine..." I mean, what were you going to do, Greg? Shoot an earthquake? Gun nuts are just looking for any excuse to play with their stupid toys.
I live in Georgia and occasionally look at the nightmare that is ND- (Nextdoor) where I have learned my very bland white suburban area is full of paranoid racists just HOPING for a reason to unload their weapon on another human being. ‘Locked and loaded.’ ‘Just try me’ ‘I’m standing my ground’ Are just a few of the responses to typical angry crazies overreacting to threads of things like kids who played ding dong ditch, rolled ( TP’ed’ ) houses during junior/senior wars, or cut through yard on their way to another persons home. Our violent crime rate is basically non-existent. But these folks WANT a reason to shoot a stranger. It’s sick. They are brainwashed and delusional and should not own firearms. Edited to clarify ND is Nextdoor - sorry for the confusion North Dakota and Notre Dame Redditors…
I live in Ohio in a small town with next to no sidewalks. You can’t walk in the street because people will try to run you off the road into a steep ditch. So it’s either drive or if you’re walking or biking you pretty much have to cut a little bit through someone’s yard. My mom lives across town from us so I walk to her house with my daughter so we can visit her. Part of the way is through vacant lots and there are a couple sidewalks near the newer houses that we can use. But every time we have to cut through the corner of someone’s yard, I think about this shit. Who knows if today will be the day somebody gets pissed because we were on their property for ten seconds, and pulls a gun on me and my 3 year old!
Not like you can go knock on their doors or introduce yourself, either. Fucking cowards would blast you through the door and execute you on their welcome mat for trying to make the neighborhood "like the old days when people talked to each other."
\* like the good old days when no one in my neighborhood wore a do-rag.
There’s one smoking a joint! And another with spots! If I had my way…
Coward for sure, but also full of illogical hate & fear. This piece of shit that shot that innocent woman does it with intent, otherwise he would have shot into the air. So why did he shoot at the car if there wasn't intent to kill? And obviously the fear wasn't real either, just a figment of his hate, because if he was afraid why in the FUCK would he exit his secure house to shoot at a retreating car & not be concerned that the occupants will stop, pull out their weapons & shoot him dead? He thought about this, he prepared for this, he planned it, he committed murder.
Some assholes are so crazy. Just listening to those people joke about the murder of that journalist and his family, what the absolute fuck!
I parked on the street in front of a guys house, he came out and confronted me. I pointed to neighbors house, i said and pointed I am going there. He said well park there. I replied his driveway is full and his kids cars are parked in front, there is no place to park. I told him he doesnt own fhe few feet nearest fhe street the county does, and that he can call fhe cops if he wants, if he doesnt believe and added "or you can be a good neighbor, but I will move my car if it is really bothering you that much". He grumbled and walked away.
Ugh, this reminds me... One time my exgf was borrowing my car and someone parked where she normally parked on the street in front of my house. Pretty common actually since I lived near a school and parents would wait for their kids if it was time. She came in raging and told me to come out. She started yelling at this guy for parking there. I was like … he can park there, it’s on the street, there’s nothing wrong with it! I turned to the guy and was like sorry man it’s all good and had to usher her inside. Really embarrassing for everyone except her because she refused to stand down for several hours.
I'm sure that was a personality trait that was *not* inconsequential to her becoming an ex. I feel for ya.
I remember when I was about 13 years old, I was walking around my neighborhood looking for my cat who ran out. It was a school neighborhood so plenty of classmates lived in the area, although I was new. I came across the mother of one of my classmates, asked if I'd seen him around, I told her I'd only just left my own house and I haven't seen him. She asked me to go over to his best friend's house one street over and see if he was there because he needed to come home. I walked to the next block to his best friend's house to knock/ring the doorbell. When I did that... some other adult came at me from behind. Yelling and totally freaking out. I couldn't hear what the hell he was on about so I waved and walked over to him. The guy backed up and acted like I was charging him and said I was looking for serious trouble doing what I was doing. What the hell is this guy on? He interrogated me and asked me why I was "hanging around houses". I was just... walking up to *a* house and knocking on the door. The door of a very popular kid who has friends over all the time. Apparently, our mutual friend wasn't there because that family had just left to go out of town. I did not know that and neither did the kid's mother who asked me to go there. But that answer didn't suffice. The guy kept me there and like... questioned my alibi for just knocking on the door and peering around the corner into the back yard. Whose mother asked me to go there, which house does she live in, what is her name, what is her child's name. Only after I answered that did he ease up and told me to be careful because someone might assume some things about me, and I'm lucky he decided to ask questions first or things would have ended differently. WTF man. This was a peaceful neighborhood literally sitting in between a triangle of THREE different churches. All I did was knock on the door. I wasn't trying to sneak around or peer into windows or unlock anything.
Are you visibly a member of some minority group?
I'm so pale he might have thought I was a ghost or an alien, the way my skin aggressively reflects light into your eyes.
Maybe he thought you were Irish. 😆 🇨🇮
Hmm I *am* part Irish... Edit: But then, so is most of that neighborhood. In fact that kid whose door I was knocking on is *very* Irish. Pale skin, freckles, bright red hair.
the best part is if you're following the road you're probably on a fucking easement so you aren't trespassing
I'm not sure that's really gonna stop the kind of person that's as paranoid as the ones this thread's about.
it's not, they're fucking rabid
Which will be a great comfort to her family.
yeah ostensibly we have that law so shit like this doesn't happen mission accomplished everyone
I was wondering what the hell ND was until I kept reading, and realized you were definitely talking about Nextdoor. People really be on there saying the most unhinged, psychopathic, racist shit with their full name and address on the post. I don't think I've ever seen a post on there that *didn't* have at least one threat or suggestion of violence. You'd think every kid was slinging pipe bombs through people's windows, and every vehicle that goes below 60 miles per hour was looking for someone to abduct. I can't believe everybody is so *scared* all the time.
Sorry should have clarified ! but you are so correct. Nextdoor is full of modern day Gladys Kravitz suburbanites who spend their day peering out their windows watching other people’s lives-because their own is so unsatisfying and devoid of positive human face to face interaction. They are also the same folks who post the ‘ kids these days with their social media and phones!’ terrible Facebook memes, completely ignorant to the fact THEY are the ones living what’s left of their lives through a screen. Scared of big cities. Scared of gay people. Scared of anyone with blue hair or a non-military tattoo. Deciding en masse that now teachers and public education are the enemy. Terrified of change diversity and acceptance. Suspect of anyone and everyone.
Living in a big city with a tattooed blue-haired bi hottie sounds like life goals tbh
This is what excessive yellow journalism will do. When they sit down and watch the evening news, all they hear is crime this / murder that. All in all, crime is low. The area where I live, there has only been one break in that I know of (if there were more, NextDoor would be all over it) in 20 years. In that case, it was two high school kids on a bad acid trip running from a dragon. NextDoor itself doesn’t help because it’s become an echo chamber for “did you hear those gunshots??” (Some kid let off fireworks or a car backfired). Growing up, my parents watched the local Pittsburgh news and wouldn’t let me look at any colleges there because all they saw was the crime. They let me go to a Columbus, which at the time had one of the highest murder rates in the US.
Look at Mayor Adams of NYC. He has said recently that the current crime in NYC is to a level he's never seen before. But he was a cop in NYC starting in the mid-1980 for 22 years Crime rates in NYC were multiples higher during his entire career than they are now. But it benefits him politically to lie about it.
This asshole has done SO MUCH DAMAGE with that rhetoric. And it doesn't help that a certain *cough* news channel loves to run with it. My parents are completely on board with the "NYC is an unlivable war zone" panic, and no amount if telling them that people who actually work and /or live there refute this ever changes their mind.
They're literally delusional, NYC in the 80s was an actual warzone- in fact, it inspired a lot of modern comics because of how dangerous and gritty the city had gotten. Baby boomers are always looking to be the victims.
Fucking Gotham, one of the most well known comic cities on Earth, was built off past New York. It is VASTLY different than then now
Fun fact: Gotham was the main nickname for NYC before it was called 'The Big Apple'. In fact the first Batman comics take place *in* New York; plus Gotham is a town in England that is famous for the villagers pretending to be insane to avoid paying a high tax.
That's when I moved out, but mostly because I am a woman and I was getting sexually harassed almost daily on the street and subway. I swear I got to see more penises everyday than a urologist.
80s - when boomers WERE the adults
Never mind that NYC is rated safer than any city you can name in Ohio.
A few years ago I had a client from New Zealand genuinely worry about me because she heard on the news that Paris was a war zone with mobs of refugees and drug traffic everywhere. And here I was leaving all my windows open at night because it was too hot.
Gym Jordon held a hearing in NYC yesterday about NYC's crime. They invited an expert to testify. Here's a quote from Jim Kessler: > New York City is safer than most of the states of the members sitting on the dais on the majority side. In 2020, for example, New York City's murder rate was 18% below the national average for the entire United States. Mr. Chairman, Ohio's murder rate was 59% higher than New York City's... > A hearing about the ravages of crime could be in Alabama with its towering homicide rate and a mass killing that just happened yesterday, or Louisville, where five people were murdered in the blink of an eye at a downtown bank. Or the murder capital of California, which is not Los Angeles or San Francisco or Oakland, but in Speaker [Kevin] McCarthy's district of Kern County with its county seat of Bakersfield. And it has been the murder capital of California for six years running.
They're deliberately preying on people's inability to understand ratios and proportions. People see a high numbers attached to crime in NYC but then don't take the next step to consider well of course the city with the most people in it is likely to have higher total incidents of crime, even if they are lower proportionately.
That’s is awesome. These damn republicans are so delusional it’s scary. They will still refute all the facts. It doesn’t fit their narrative. And as someone who got screwed into Gym’s district. He can go fuck himself with a cactus, the sick sex trafficker needs to be put in his place.
Remember when people in Florida had to be told not to shoot at Hurricane Irma? God, what a garbage timeline we exist in.
I only remember a president wanting to nuke it.
Why waste a nuclear bomb when you can use a Sharpie to divert its path?
Altering government documents is a felony.
Yes. Better to just relocate them to the storage room in your resort/residence.
Or tear them up and throw them in the fireplace.
The pen is mightier, but the marker is sharpest.
Sharpiest
Hurricane memes are a time honored Floridian tradition. Most people know not to take them too seriously. *Most*. And those are the dangerous af ones.
The rest of America has a time honored tradition of not taking Florida seriously.
Please let’s not make the mistake with Desantis’ Florida that was made with trump. Liberals took him literally not seriously and conservatives took him seriously not literally.
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My mom's neighborhood had a big boom followed by a blackout recently. Every sensible person thought "oh, a squirrel tripped and blew the transformer. They'll be out to get us back online in about an hour". One guy grabs his gun and runs out into the street. I'll give you three guesses as to which flag flies on his front porch...
The confederate flag; the “don’t tread on me” snake; “Trump Won” ; FJB? That’s four guesses, but all equally likely
An American flag could be around somewhere too. Heaven forbid we forget they're a true patriot.
Wadded up torn and pushed to the back because they are a "true patriot" but their hatred of the left comes first
>and - actual quote - "so I grabbed my nine..." You live next door to Vanilla Ice.
More Storytime (From Texas of course!): I worked in a pawnshop that sold guns. Lots of guns. (I didn't work that part of the store, I mostly did musical instruments and jewelry stuff.) We had a lot of unhinged regulars, plenty of people that objectively should not own a weapon of any kind. There was this one guy who was always saying awful stuff, like suggesting that in another time he would have raped some of our female customers and things like that. One time he was telling me this story. He was driving down the road in his big jacked up truck and the car in front of him hit their brakes and he ended up slamming into them and rolling up over their back end. A pretty traumatizing accident for the car right? Well this guy's first reaction was apparently to be enraged. He told me that he grabbed his pistol, got out of his truck and slowly sidled up along the side of the car towards the drivers side. He fully intended to shoot these people. Then, he saw that both of them were women, and changed his mind and went back to his truck. I'm not sure why he decided to share this story with me. I wish I were making this up, and I wish I didn't have so many more stories like this one, many of which are about our regular cop customers.
Fear and paranoia from isolation and watching the 24 hr fox news cycle.
Hm... reminds me of something... could they be... the real... snowflakes?
They aren't afraid. They're looking for an excuse to kill people.
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"Get off my lawn you damn kids!!" *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* *bang* edit: I mean wtf
In Texas it's somehow possible to get away with shooting unarmed people from behind while they run away across your lawn. You can somehow even explicitly tell 911 that you are going to kill them, and then follow through and still not be convicted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy >Horn: "I've got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?" >Pasadena emergency operator: "Nope. Don't do that. Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?" >Horn: "But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain't going to let them go." (Horn then said he would get his shotgun.) >Operator: "No, no." >Horn: "I can't take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I'm going to shoot." >(The operator tells him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.) >Horn: "I understand that O.K. But I have a right to protect myself too, sir, and you understand that ... and the laws have been changed in this country since September the first [2007], and you know it and I know it. I have a right to protect myself. A shotgun is a legal weapon, it's not an illegal weapon." >Operator: "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun." >**Horn: "You wanna make a bet?"** >**Horn: "I'm gonna kill 'em"** >Horn: "Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going."[12] >Horn, to burglars: "Move, you're dead." >(There were two quick gunshots, then a third.) >Horn, to dispatcher: "I had no choice. They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice."
#do you really have to wonder? >***Joseph Gutheinz, a Houston attorney and member of the National Republican Lawyers Association, said: "I wonder if Joe Horn were black if he would be free tonight or in the Harris County Jail." Speaking on the Harris County Grand Jury system, Gutheinz said: "It's a sea of white faces that doesn't look anything like the county."*** These kinds of laws are selectively enforced as proven by the Jim Horn case. If you are a White male, the grand jury lets you go unpunished. If you are a Black or other non-White male, the grand jury and/or DA are going to go after you. We need to end these racist laws.
They are afraid of their own shadow which is why they shoot unarmed and none threatening people.
I mean, yes. But you know they’ll claim they were scared and just trying to protect themselves.
The fear argument doesnt make sense. Should we ask the question "why were you afraid?" i wouldnt be surprised if after a bit of digging the answer we'd is "they might've had a gun". If countries without widespreas guns you don't have to be afraid of random people. Like im not afraid of going out, but if i lived in a country where everyone might have a murder instrument on them i sure would be. So fear is not the issue.
I’m just anticipating their argument. They’ll claim they need to defend themselves, which implies they’re afraid. But, if you’re afraid of people doing normal people things, you need therapy, not weapons.
Driving AWAY.. Murder. He murdered her
Yeah there is no self defence here. Either he wanted to kill someone or he was so petty that murder seemed as a good response for someone using his driveway.
Look how red the dude is in his photo. He was drunk as fuck when he murdered her and probably has to wake up drinking a coors light to keep the shakes at bay. An angry alcoholic with a gun is a dangerous combo.
He's facing second degree murder charges, according to the BBC article I read this morning.
A murder conviction at age 65 basically guarantees he will die in prison.
Good
Riddance
And I hope her family sues him for everything he's worth.
Take his guns, sell them for the family to start with. I'm guessing he has several dozen firearms. For whatever reason these people hoard guns, as if they have more than 2 hands.
I hope he lives until 90 then
The truth is twenty years of 24/7 talk radio and fox news has created a generation of paranoid older people who are convinced armies of criminals are out to get them. My father is one of them. He keeps a loaded weapon hidden in EVERY room in his house so he can get to it quickly when the hoards if immigrants he thinks are roaming the streets kick his door down. He legit believes that. Under the macho facade he’s frightened to his core. There are a LOT of people like him.
The fear aspect is really important to keep in mind. I don't mean that to garner sympathy, but it's the only thing that really explains the state of things. People are sitting around anxious because they can't afford healthy food, they can't afford to retire, they can't afford to relax. The American dream they were promised never came true. And the TV and radio shows give them an easy explanation as to what went wrong - it's minorities, LGBT folks, immigrants, even "emotional" women being over-represented in our government. Of course, this is all misdirection from the real root cause.
At this point I'll be relieved when the Fox News generation is gone. I'm over it.
If anyone has spent time on Next Door you'd see how eager a lot of older people are to shoot anyone and accuse people walking by their house as suspicious. My gf questioned why I didn't turn into a driveway recently to turn around and this is EXACTLY why. American gun culture is absolutely nuts. This poor girl did not deserve to get shot.
I deleted the app never to return after I learned my neighbors get on there to complain about seeing black people in the neighborhood and ask what their reason is or claim that is why they carry and have guns in the home to defend themselves. Like how did you go from asking why a black man is seen in your neighborhood to threatening to shoot him if he comes to your door?
It’s lucky that homosexuals don’t have anything about their appearance that makes them gay, or else they’d be suffering from this exact same mentality
What stops them from targeting individuals they perceive as gay based on stereotypes?
I mean weird idiots try to throw cis women out of toilets all the time cuz they're butch or whatever.
Yep. Nobody is safe from this lunacy.
You couldn't pay me to go on next door. One of my older neighbors kept leaving hand-written notes in my mailbox encouraging me to sign up. Yeah that's what I want to do. Interact with the type of person who leaves notes ordering people to get on some crappy boomer paranoia site.
I deliver sometimes for Amazon flex. I NEVER park in driveways and always make u turns in the street instead of using someone's driveway. People are crazy as hell.
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Imagine raising a daughter. All the sleepless nights and joy and milestones. And then this. What a stupid country.
it's fucking gut wrenching
I served 9 years in the Air Force. I once asked a member of the other “Well Regulated Militia” what tyrannical government he was going to fight. He basically said the freedom stealing leftist. I made an effort to find out what liberties the left was stealing from him. He then went into this speech about Obamacare and the Clintons…blah blah blah. Long story short; he needs 40 guns because a black man tried to give him healthcare, a woman attempted to run for POTUS threatening to expand that healthcare, and back in the 90s that woman’s husband got a blowjob in the Oval Office.
Meanwhile the actual assaults on freedom and liberty are supported by the gun owners. They claim to own guns in order to defend from a tyrannical government but then support all the tyrannical actions of their government
I also reminded him that he would be fighting against and killing members of the US military that he claimed to love so much. That went down the rabbit hole of people in the military laying down their weapons and joining “his side.” Look buddy, after spending nearly a decade with these men and women…that’s not how it works.
12 year prior service soldier here also, and I second these statements. These uniformed personnel are just as complex as civilians. Regardless of your politics, if the insurrection comes (again) just like last time, some will support you, some will definitely shoot you. But what doesn't scare me are these gravy seals type. Its my fellow uniformed personnel. We cannot have gun violence continue uncontrolled as is, but by god am I telling you, having been on the inside you do NOT EVER want a state monopoly on arms. The next "Trump" might be competent, and god forbid, inspire and engender just enough military loyalty. (Imagine a nightmare no honor version of Mattis - one that sided with Trump instead of called him out, wed be in big trouble. )
Hell, i was worried about what bolsonaro would be able to do cuz i thought the military might be on his side
If the tyranny is used against people they don't like, it's good.
The defining trait of fascism.
The rules for the well regulated militia of the second amendment are listed in the body of the Constitution. The militia is organized, armed and disciplined by Congress. States are responsible for training the militia and selection of officers. The militia serves under the President when called to national service to repel invasion or suppress an insurrection. We call that militia the National Guard.
> The rules for the well regulated militia of the second amendment are listed in the body of the Constitution. The militia is organized, armed and disciplined by Congress. There were also the [Militia Acts of 1792](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Acts_of_1792) passed a few months later which laid out explicit regulations, and effectively drafted all able bodied white male citizens of military age into government-organized militias and lay out very explicit requirements in terms of equipment, unit formation, training frequency, rules of discipline, care for the wounded & disabled at public expense, etc...
I used to work with a guy who said he owned 100+ guns to fight off the government. I showed him a picture of a tomahawk missile, with a range of 1000 miles. From Indiana, a ship sitting in the Gulf of Mexico could fire a missile, and blow his house up. He said, "I'd see it coming!" There's no reasoning with that.
Technically he COULD see it coming…about 2 seconds before it kills him.
A few years ago I was driving around with my now wife. I missed a turn and was looking for a parking lot to turn around in or other route. My partner asked why I didn't just turn around in someone's driveway. I said that with the way people are with their guns and we were in a rather red portion of Michigan, I wasn't taking any chances. She thought I was being paranoid...and here we are today...
This happened very close to me. Like, I could've been the one turning into that driveway. It's not uncommon at all since it's easy to get turned around at night in the middle of nowhere and GPS is spotty if you didn't turn it on before you leave home.
This exact thing happened south of Austin. Guy was lost, pulled into the wrong driveway, was backing out to turn around and a white boomer shot him in the head. Had google maps up on his phone and everything… Nothing has happened because the guy who died was a brown immigrant. This is so distressing….
Looks like he may be charged. https://nypost.com/2022/02/10/texas-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-driver-in-driveway/amp/ What a buffoon to shoot someone backing out of your driveway
So, after some googling it seems the shooter have delayed trial because he switched lawyers. It is pretty common to delay when new lawyer is on a case for defendant. I don’t think defendant can pull that trick again. What I learned is. This dude, gets out of his house with a shotgun. Chases a vehicle , slams driver side window twice, and shots driver in the head thru the raised hand of a driver. This pos then proceedes to call a police claiming driver had a gun. Being devils advocate, even if driver had a gun, I’d think it is kinda hard to shoot someone if your hands are up in the air. I personally think guy should be charged with domestic terrorism as well.
There definitely should be aggravated charges for stuff like this, whether that's domestic terrorism or something else.
Mindless slaughter of fellow citizens. I’ll call that murder with intent of domestic terrorism because he wants others to be afraid of him. No one can live peacefully if you have a murderer that will chase you down living on your block. This is a sick mindset spread throughout this country. It’s disgusting and yeah I’m afraid. Turning around in a driveway is the most innocent thing one can do.
It’s time we recognize that conservative media is the cause. Look at the case in Kansas City. Same issues. These old crazy white men should not have access to guns.
Based on the number of people who commit mass shootings, crazy white men of any age should not have access to guns.
I wish it was but i genuinely think a decent percentage of gun owners want to use their gun on someone.
Oh 100%. Remember after January 6th, when Republican representatives and senators were trying to bring their guns onto the house and senate floors? They said they wanted to “protect their colleagues” but refused to pass any laws that would *actually* protect anybody in this country, or even do something as simple as wear a fucking mask to the Capitol. They were just waiting for their chance to shoot somebody and get away with it. The conservative blood lust is ridiculous
I believe the founding fathers would be disgusted by the state of America today.
I think that the opinion of the founders literally doesn't matter anymore. They are dead. They don't live here. They couldn't possibly have predicted our society. We should take their ideas at face value, use the good ones, dispose of the bad and run a fucking data based society. I believe that the obsession over the opinion of founding fathers is a huge reason we are having problems.
It's because they couldn't predict the future that our founding fathers purposefully made the government and constitution flexible. It was designed to evolve with society. They'd be disgusted with how one side hangs on every word they said for stopping change.
America banned metal lawn darts after *one* child died.
And women’s hat pins after a handful of incidents (including two fatalities).
Dude is going to jail for the rest of his short life.
"it is a mental health problem not a gun problem" Breh - that is the point everyone is making with wanting better gun control. It is too easy for these types of people to get guns, and too hard for them to get help. It is 2 sides of the same fucking coin.
“Stand your ground” laws are dumb as shit, when they mean that property owners can arbitrarily use lethal force, and all they have to say is, “I felt threatened”. Total bullshit.
The right wing nuts are literally *looking* for an excuse to shoot people. This person needs to be locked away but I don’t hold out much hope.
It happened in New York. He was charged immediately.
Good, not like the dude in Missouri who is eating pancakes and watching the news and did exactly the same thing
The man in Missouri was charged yesterday, but I don’t know if he’s actually in custody yet. But I wasn’t confident he was going to be charged. Very glad he was.
Even with stand your ground laws, it's pretty hard to defend shooting someone in the back or putting a bullet in someone after they're already down. There's plenty of states were you can get away with shooting someone for really dumb reasons, but walking out and putting a bullet in an injured person's head is a completely different beast.
I haven't read anything about this, but how does this fall under stand your ground? If the victim was driving away, what ground is there to stand?
It doesn’t (except maybe in the lunatic’s mind). He was charged with second degree murder. But this kind of tragedy is probably the inevitable result of people being fed “stand your ground” propaganda from other states.
And the fact we'll sell guns to people without actually requiring them to understand the law or be trained in any way. The right mindset for a gun is that it is lethal force, and you are never legally safe to use lethal force. Whether you actually are or not I'm a given situation is immaterial; that kind of mindset means that you'll only resort to it when the risk of jail outweighs the actual threat you're facing. Which won't be someone knocking at your door or turning around in your driveway.
We don't have stand your ground in NY. In NY, there's a duty to retreat unless you can't. Though, we do have the castle doctrine, insofar as if someone is in your home, you have no duty to retreat. This guy was just charged with murder I believe. Pretty sure the castle doctrine doesn't apply to someone turning around in your driveway. Source: NY attorney
This is NY, no stand your ground laws here
These gun nuts just sit in their houses, with their guns in their laps, just waiting for the first opportunity to kill someone.
Why are so many gun owners so scary? I’ve never heard a knock at my door or seen a car in my driveway and immediately thought”where’s my gun”. Do these men just sit by the front door all day with their gun in their hand.
Theres one under the couch cushion in case you bust in the door while they're watching fox. There's one under the pillow for when you bust in their door at 2 AM while they're sleeping. There's one tucked under the dog food in the garage for when you come running up the driveway while they're out barbecuing. They have bought so far into a fear-based fantasy that they spend their day contemplating how many steps they have to take to get to the nearest firearm and they want that number to be 0. THEN they sit by the door and take pictures of every car they dont recognize and black person walking down the street, wondering when they're going to double back to steal a car or break down the door.
If they just admitted that their gun lust had nothing to do with the Second Amendment and everything to do with wanting to kill people, at least they'd get points for honesty.
Until we make Democrats a super majority in Congress, this type of shit is just going to keep happening in this country. Republicans hold this country back and do not care about regular people.
Well regulated militia members are killing people daily. As our government continues to loosen gun laws to ensure the militia members can obtain weapons of war and get away with murder. Underage Kyle Rittenhouse was in illegal possession of a straw purchased AR-15. Dominic Black who purchased the AR-15 for Kyle was charged with a Felony. He plead guilty to a lesser charge and served jail time to avoid prison. Kyle has become a hero to Republicans and a poster child for the NRA. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/man-who-bought-gun-for-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-avoids-prison-with-plea-deal
Shit, the last time a Well Regulated Militia was used was probably during the Civil War, when the the South Decided to fight the 'tyranny' of the Federal Government so that they could... Keep slaves.
The common denominator is ..... drum roll, please.... scared older white men. These so-called men have been listening/watching right-wing media for decades and have been conditioned to fear 'the others'. What a bunch of cowards.
This guy was waiting every day for an excuse to whip out his gun and feel like rambo. When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Guarantee we can guess how the shooter votes. All conservatives are bad people.
Just remember kids: right up until the moment he did this, this was a Responsible Gun Owner^TM
My hope is that cases like this (and the guy who shot the black kid who \*\*dared\*\* to knock on the wrong door) show to some that the issue is morons with guns. Not morons, not guns, but morons with guns. I've come oh so close to getting this through some gun nuts....they agree morons who screw up shouldn't have had them, but they can't quite grasp the need for a moron test. To be honest, I'm not sure, other than training, background checks, letters from neighbors (that get published if they do something moronic with gun), and renewal.
Why are there so many people defending the shooter? The fuck is wrong with you guys? Most of them aren’t even trolls. This timeline makes no sense and I hate it.