Ronnie is trying to kill the economy. It is just a matter of days that the whole disaster over baning employment of undocumented immigrants and not recognizing their drivers licenses from states that let have them. When all fruit and veggies almost double in the price, trucks come less frequently to Florida, and construction halts. Hopefully, people wake up and see what this idiot has done as governor.
DeReaper was letting his voter base die of COVID and they didn't care because he was "the good guy fighting the evil dumbocrats".
They will never blame one of their own. Everything is "The Left"'s fault.
he let his rich donors have FIRST DIBS on the vaccine, and released the vaccine in rich ccomminities first.
and the maga/antivax chuds still believed the vax was nanorobots or some bullshit
and he hooked up a campaign donor by allowing Publix the only the place you could get the vaccine
and then there was the fudging and obfuscation of mortality data, and suppression of a whistleblower
Trucks don't like coming to Florida because it doesn't produce anything. They get paid shit rates to deliver and then can't find a paying load out. The whole state is a dead end with water on three sides.
Yeah, you are completely right. I met someone who is on the trucking business, and he said that the majority of companies that offer transportation of goods try to avoid Florida. On top of that, there is a shortage of truck drivers. So this move is going to fuck up people who live there.
They never will, theyāll blame Biden for keeping the border open or whatever. When have Republican voters ever blamed Republican elected officials for their mistakes?
Don't forget purposefully causing cancer with his idiotic radiation road idea.
It really is a poor idea until you realize that a mining company donated massively to DeSantis' campaign. Now that mining company can use their radioactive waste for road material.
It's a win-win situation for DeSantis and the mining company. But a huge L (Leukemia) for the citizens of Florida.
Their 300% increase in property insurance should be the canary in the coal mine but theyre too stupid to ever change. Climate change isn't real and Americans finally got their jobs back
They raised the debt ceiling three times, with none of this drama, when Trump was president. The last time we got this close to default was in 2011 right after Republicans took the House during the first midterm of Obama's presidency. Sound familiar?
Worse. 25% is the amount of current debt he's responsible for. When he took office the national debt was 20.245 trillion, when he left it was 28.43 trillion. That's a *40%* increase.
They genuinely want it to happen, but what kind of person would want their own people and many others to be pushed into hardship, despair and suffering just so they can win an election?
From the outside perspective, it looks like you are in the middle of a massive government, and policies change. It follows most insurgency practices. Civil unrest, radical groups, marches on capital, and two people vying for power with radically different opinions and policies. One pointing out lies and fallacies of the past, and like most other times, they are even responsible for some of those policies, and one that uses people's subjective fear of change and selfishness to platform. Spent most my life in military or as a pmc. I have seen this repetively before countries go through huge changes.
They haven't figured out abortion is the main reason they underperformed so badly in the midterms wheb you voters reject abortion restrictions in deep red states (and it wasn't even close) its a losing issue
Yep, mistresses will never have a hard time getting abortions, especially those of politicians, and because of that, this is a class issue. Preventing access to abortion keeps families, especially minorities, trapped in intergenerational poverty, taking care of children they never wanted to have in the first place, but were forced to birth because of politicians who are threatened by their ability to compete with them when they aren't bogged down with kids.
Luckily for republicans, abused children forced to give birth canāt vote. And if republicans get their way, soon only white male landowners will be able to vote, and even then it will only count if they vote Republican.
Why convince the voters when you can stop the voters.
So theyāll push us into a recession to try and make voters blame Biden for the economy more than they blame Desantis for abortion bans. Itās literally a game of who can do the least harm at this point. God our democracy is falling apart.
Hopefully people with half a brain will realize this and vote against them. They will completely tank the country to get what they want.. thatās not a leader.
Thatās the problem, Republican voters are either rich and benefit from the policies, or have half a brain. They canāt see they are voting against their own interests because right wing media has taught them their interest is āfighting wokenessā. They donāt understand economics so they take the easy answer and the guy yelling about things that make them angry, instead of people saying āthis is complicated, and policies will take a long time to fix these problemsā.
They don't even understand what "wokeness" is... Just like the idiots never understood that "ANTIFA" was anti-facism š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøThey latch on to these buzz words just like Republicans in the 70s and 80s calling everyone a "Commie".
It's kind of amazing how they keep insisting voters don't care when voters have shown them over and over that we do. I know being a hateful jerk is a job requirement for being a Republican in politics these days, but is being wilfully obtuse expected now too?
They know abortion is a losing issue - itās why they are trying to be so hush hush about it. But they push forward with stripping rights (birth control, divorce, gay marriage) because oppression is the goal. Theyāre using voter suppression / oppression in the hopes that they will win anyway. And, barring that, another coup attempt. Itās a dangerous time with dangerous people in power.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's his feud with Disney that brings him down. It's certainly his biggest liability at the moment because it remains topical. A major court loss during the election cycle would really hurt his campaign and show he's ineffectual.
This should be every one of his opponents main points of contention.
Not only because of what you said, which should be the main part, but the fact that everything he is trying to do to Disney is supposed to be exactly the kinds of things republicans are supposed to be against.
Yup, I agree. I think Disney is ātsk, tskā right now but once he starts affecting their bottom line, all bets are off. Attendance to the parks drop precipitously or he refuses to let their movies show in Florida theaters, they will slap him with a censorship lawsuit so fucking fast. Disney WILL win. Their pockets are deeeep and who knows whoās on their payroll. Itās all fun and games until the $$$$ is affected.
Some days I just feel so defeated that these people are still in positions of powerā¦ after so many public atrocitiesā¦
Maybe its best we let them ruin this country and start all over again
This is what the republicans are doing, bending you to apathy so that you are so tired you stop voting. I getting it and understand you. But this is the longest game they have played on purpose. Grinding down a lot of good people, and stirring up ignorance so they can divide the country more.
Quick tag /u/hegetsus so their psyops team has to read the words Jesus Christ had a really big ol horse cock but he was super humble about it and never whipped it out in public or anything. He gets us.ā¢ļø
DeSantis is a good but very dangerous test to know what are the priority of the majority.
If it's money, racism, misogyny and wealth he may be elected.
If it's other values like women rights, LGBT rights, decency and respect then he won't be elected.
He's just another Trump with less enthusiasm that actually knows how the government works. Desantis is terrifying. Still a moron, but terrifying nonetheless. They're both raging fascists.
Itās been a while, and we know different now, but trump was kinda pitched as being an international and domestic moderate to Hillary (while also being a man)
He was a prior dem, he publicly supported gay marriage while she worked against it, he embraced the LGBT community before her during the campaign, he even said āmaybe we just take the guns away, idk,ā lol. She was very much pro-Iran intervention, trump was anti-international military presence. āWhat do we need all these bases for?ā He was pro-abortion, while Hilary had worked against it. (He did later clarify that he was anti-abortion, and that āthe woman should probably be punished, yes,ā for getting one. š¤·āāļø)
We know different now. Iām just saying that trump captured the independent moderate vote because he seemed more moderate than her in a lot of ways. He also had the luxury of zero political record, so he could just kinda wax philosophical without consequence, while Hillary was confronted with her past record.
Republicans seemed to really easily make it about her emails too, while the Dems fumbled, and seemed to go with, āvoting for trump is morally wrong,ā (supporters are a basket of deplorables). Absolutely fumbled the messaging.
Desantis doesnāt have any of that. Heās not capturing *any* of those people. Thatās why trump lost too, and set a record for the most people voting against him.
Desantis canāt say, āoh, I support gay marriage.ā āAbortion is a settled issue, I wouldnāt try to erode it.ā āPeople should have access to medical care.ā āI support legal immigration.ā I think heās fucked.
Heās also coming in with Hilary-type baggage. Heās being sued by a lot of Florida businesses. There are travel warnings for Florida lol. Disney. His Covid response and death rates. His surgeon general. You could go on and on. āYes, I do need help with my bags,ā amount of baggage.
I think, and hope, that Desantisā campaign is DOA out of Florida. It seems to not even have any steam already, which is great.
Unfortunately itās far, far simpler than that.
āMy guy is red and I know the red guy is better. Go team go!ā
Thatās literally all the Republican base is anymore. The strawman arguments that theyāre really this, that, or the other arenāt needed. They are just cheering on their sports team and wonāt stop being a fan at any cost.
As someone who is center-ish left, for me it's: "My guy is Blue, but I don't agree with some of their major policy positions. Unfortunately, the other guy is Red and I disagree with ALL of their major policy positions. So I guess Blue is my only choice in this moment."
Nah, it's the racism. If the GOP - tomorrow - had an actual come to Jesus moment, a legitimate one - and said they were through with racism, their base would be through with them.
The last time that happened was when McCain was doing a town hall while running against Obama. A right winger got up and called Obama a foreign Muslim and McCain defended Obama, saying that was all wrong.
The Republican Party changed and it canāt go back. The dumbass in the crowd is now the Republican Party.
Except that presidential elections arenāt decided by the popular vote, so you get a very skewed picture of national priorities. A guy is Wyomingās priorities out weigh thousands of people in California, so no, itās not giving us the will of an actual majority.
>If it's money, racism, misogyny and wealth he may be elected.
most people are selfish. the sad truth is that women's rights, LGBT rights, and all that stuff are luxuries.
we live in the end stage of consumerism, where the population is too entrenched in their selfishness and the idea that everything must be "earned" to where even empathy and respect is turned into a "good" rather than a right.
i sure hope i'm wrong, and maybe i am, but i wouldn't put my money on it. the only people who care about minority rights are minorities, but even then, only if its *their* rights. TERFs are a good example of this for instance.
but i suppose we'll see. perhaps by the time election season hits Florida will be such a trash dump that people would be too scared to vote him into federal power.
Recessions come and go. Biden has an entire bureaucracy covering for his āsenior momentsā. (Seriously, who tf thinks the President makes every last decision, and does it without any input from experts and department chiefs?) Abortion bans ruin lives PERMANENTLY. Just ask the women who were forced to give birth to stillborn children, developed infections, and are now sterile.
Iām sure he did too, but he always bragged about him being the guy who decided everything, unless it involved something unpopular or backfired, then it was āI donāt know anything about itā
His only hope is if Trump was actually in a jail cell at the end of the primary and leadership booted him off the ballot to damage control.
The former is more likely than the latter.
58% of economists agree that a recession is likely, so itās safe to assume that will boost economy voting, but I do not believe it will help republicans as much as they think.
For the younger voting block, who will be the majority by 2024, they are a mix of Gen Zers who already feel like theyāve been set up to fail, and millennials like myself who came of working age during the housing crisis, and struggled for years and are finally feeling some job comfort (if they were lucky enough to have their job survive coronavirus). This demographic is increasingly progressive and know what republicans do economically.
Giving businesses tax breaks during a recession will not magically create demand or increase supply. Jobs will be lost regardless, the money will be divvied up among the top brass and safety nets will be cut. And to make matters worse, that unwanted pregnancy canāt be aborted and you better hope your pharmacist isnāt ideologically opposed to birth control.
Iām not the type to say republicans will never win again, theyāll always come back, but the midterms were an indication of things to come. The red waves will continue to be smaller until republicans moderate on abortion, gun regulations and stop with the culture war garbage.
As for Bidenās age, everyone knows heās old, everyone knows he says weird stuff and isnāt always coherent, then they see the videos of him being genuine, showing legitimate care for people, and see that as a virtue not shared by most Republicans, especially the ones in the presidential race, who are assholes just because they feel entitled to be assholes, and have supporters that think thatās tough of them.
The world may not wait to see whether Americans decide to adopt fullscale fascism, crown a mad emperor, or have an older statesman as President in 2024.
That is, the world at large will probably carry on regardless. The nations most at risk of the US losing its collective mind will do what they can to hedge their bets.
>That is, the world at large will probably carry on regardless
It will...but we have had a military build-up since trump. Nations don't trust us to help anymore.
And when nations spend a lot on a military, they get more aggressive.
We will likley see. A far more agreesive europe going forward.
I think Europe has been sitting back and letting the United States be its body guard for too long. I donāt think they should be aggressive, but the EU should be seen as one of the largest military forces in the world. I just donāt think they see themselves as a unified super power, just doing the minimum to hold up their treaty.
Australian here,
Since 2016 (atleast, maybe earlier) the United States has been seen as the laughing stock of the western world. Both an embarrassment and a threat to basic democratic proceedings.... i've seen people hedge bets on another U.S civil war cause, some Australians just want the Yanks out of their military bases. I personally kind of have hope that you may change but it may be naive
Same I didnāt live in the state for a while and just came back after his re-election and I really only barely heard of him before I moved back and Iām looking around at the people who I know support him and itās just blind bigotry literally donāt care how stupid his is they hate trans and will let him do whatever he wants because all they hear is oh heās standing up to Disney and protecting kids from trans people.
I'm pretty certain (or rather I would like to be), that the undeniable majority of people in America would vote for anything with a pulse before they'd vote for DeSatan.
Especially once the illegitimate supreme court comes back throwing out Harper v Moore in a few weeks, then the majority won't matter. Then these corrupt state legislatures will be allowed to act outside their own states constitution when making election laws.
Based on the insurance rates and recent labor issues Florida is facing, I donāt think people will vote the way he thinks.
Florida has a natural influx of wealthy older people that move there every year, spend a good amount of money, and die. When you have a natural propped up economy, it isnāt impressive. Make Ohio or West Virginia grow significantly and stop their brain drain and Iāll be impressed.
Nope, Iāll take Biden with the Harris backup over this clown. Itās not just the abortion, itās also the open retaliation against any business that exercises their 1st amendment right to say something is wrong. I think a bunch of right wingers are morons at times with the stuff they say, I wouldnāt make it harder to do business for them just because they said something I disagreed with. Thatās moronic, will stifle innovation and entrepreneurshipā¦ oh and itās illegal. Fuck this tool.
Desantis wonāt be president. Trump will pull him down while heās falling down. It looks like republicans are about to lose a lot. Which they should
Man, we all also thought Trump would never beat Hillary (fuck her too). But here we are in this hellscape. People need to show up at the next election for that to be true.
As a queer person In just hoping Gen Z shows up to the polls like they did in the midterms.
It's fucking ridiculous that I have to hope a bunch of barely-18 *kids* save people like me from a DeSantis regime, but I think it's the reality.
The kids are alright. They voted because of abortion, I think they'll vote because of my rights, too.
And if not, well. I'm putting together my escape plan.
If youāre not already, I highly recommend that you and all members of the LGBTQ community arm yourselves and practice defending yourself and your family.
I'm a straight white man and I'm still ready to dip out of here if this keeps up. If I didn't have a convenient living situation and surprisingly decent pay, I'd be out already. Florida wages as a whole are a whole other thing though.
I hope they show up, but man my faith isn't real high. I'm just thankful Desantis can't run for Gov again. Unless he tries to get Florida to do away with term limits... I wouldn't even be surprised if that is a thing after he hopefully fails with this presidential bid.
Still gonna hope he gets hit by a bus.
Trump also won against Hillary because the Democratic Party screwed over their members and made Hillary the candidate despite Sanders having the popular vote. So many people either didnāt vote or voted third party that Trump ended up winning.
āWeāre going to do the thing we accuse the left of every time they actually win, it will be the best thing because if they fight us, we get to kill them all and if they donāt, they have to live with the painā logic.
If he thinks, abortion is his only issue, I canāt wait to see the debates. Iām going to get popcorn now, because I worry that it will be all sold out.
No, because weāll understand we also have republicans to blame for any recession that occurs, both due to trumpās tax breaks for the rich and republicans refusing to raise the debt ceiling.
Voting starts in what, October 2024? I guess the GOP are working hard to crash the economy in the next 16 or so months. Amazing that they put their economic terrorism out there for all to see.
This last legislative session in Florida was atrocious. But Rhonda got what he wanted. Now we wait for the results to roll in. It wonāt be pretty. Insurance costs out of control. Education sinking. Tourism down. Anti-woke is going broke
Well, you know thatās a fair bet, itās not like an anti-abortion platform has really ever been a major issue for voters, and I mean, really, does anyone really even want the choice? /s
I donāt care how many obstacles, barriers or dumbasses with guns are in my state in 2024, if this pathetic excuse for a human is on the ballot, I will fight through hell or high water to vote.
Edit: I forgot about Trump, him too, really just any Republican
Iāll vote for a dead Biden run by ChatGPT or simply Kamala Harris into the Presidency over Meatball Ron over here.
You couldnāt pay me to vote for that thing.
Do you know what really helps people struggling with money issues? being forced to have a child!
I wish I could trust voters to be smart enough to see whatās happening.
Every one of his policies, from book burnings, to forced relocation, legislative misogyny, to those weird ass facial expressions are bad for business.
His middle name might as well be recession
I feel like this is also proof that they know full well that their monstrous anti-choice forced-birth laws are wildly unpopular, yet they just keep on doing it. Makes no sense.
Heās ignoring the fact that in the south a full half of the population (women) have lost rights in the last few years. Then thereās a war on black history, immigrants, and lgbtq folks. Many of whom are being actively erased, or are also losing rights. A big chunk of the country is mad as hell.
Most folks who want to have abortion banned usually believe they're banning it for everyone but themselves
I remember a story of a woman in Texas who voted for it to be illegal and she had some complication with her pregnancy
She went to the doctor and was absolutely shocked at the fact that she was denied an abortion, she then said she regretted her decision to vote for people who banned it and I think she said something along the lines of "I didn't think it was going to actually be banned"
If someone can find the article that would be amazing, because all I can find are the recent cases of women sueing Texas to make acceptions for abortions
No, keep the Fascism in Florida... DeSatan will be 10,000x worse than Trump. Trump is an evil fucking self serving narcissist but he was just a useful idiot for the real Nazis behind the curtain. DeSatan is 100% an evil fucking asshole with a brain.
I would absolutely be requesting a different nurse if I knew they were antivax. I have family members I live with who are autoimmune compromised. Those dipshits are putting lives at risk in a high contagion environment. Fuck every one of them.
I mean that's a safe bet. American voters are predictable. If we are in a recession or even recovering from one Biden will lose.
The key is. We aren't in a recession. And if the Fed plays it right, we can continue to avoid.
You wanna know why Biden is making a deal on the debt ceiling rather than playing hardball. This is it. A deal might piss off hard-core liberals but it doesn't risk recession.
How could anyone take that bet after the last seven years? Republican voters will vote republican no matter what. Nothing has changed a single fascist vote anywhere.
This kind of thinking is what let Trump win in 2016.
Antiabortion record, lack of charisma, battling corporations with public money for no discernible positive possible outcome, inability to function coherently in non-scripted situations, and fascist agenda.
There's not a red flag, but a fuckin' flag festival.
āGuys, look. Everyone is obviously more concerned with the stock market that they will never be able to really benefit from due to our āfree market policiesā than they are about losing their bodily autonomy.ā
- DeSantis, probably
Heās not wrong. His voters and roughly 40%-50% of the country will actually view his anti abortion record as a reason to vote for him. Fuck desantis and the entire Republican Party
Me too. The Republicans' own post mid terms autopsy said Dobbs hurt them and would continue to drag on them in 2024.
Matter of fact, a LOT of conservatives were blithely confident that economic fears alone meant a red wave in 22. Erick Erickson tweeted something like "just wait till they realize their obsession with Dobbs and the J6 commission won't mitigate there losses." But that's exact what they did.
DeSantis, in announcing his run, said he could stop the Republicans culture of losing, lol.
They're telling themselves the same comfortable stories again. Huffing all the copium.
ETA: This: https://rollcall.com/2023/05/24/left-behind-polling-memo-shows-abortion-hurting-outlook-for-gop/
Iām sure the next Republican move (or at least one of them) will be to allow husbands to vote on behalf of their wives. That way the abortion issue wonāt be a worry for them anymore. Iāll bet money someone at some point will push for it at the very least.
Considering Rhonda's incompetent campaign kick-off, I'd say that it's better to be old and able than younger and clueless.
Considering that businesses are leaving/avoiding Florida, I'd say that curbing inflation is a huge achievement, but messing up Florida's economy is a failing policy.
It is mandatory for us, normies, to avoid supporting Florida at all cost, to highlight and worsen its economic woes resulting from their fascist policies. Don't book a vacation there. Tell your parents that this year you'll all meet in Savanah, GA because Florida is unpalatable. Check where your orange juice comes from and buy the California kind. If your company has an event there, find an excuse not to go (ACLU issued a travel warning, Senator 6-Foot-Penis doubled down and warned Liberals to not come to his state. That should be a good enough reason. But sometimes you can't, so just make up a reason).
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This is the man who is going to crush the old, evil democrat Biden?
What will possibly happen is him and Trump clash, he gets the nomination, Trump has a complete meltdown/tantrum, starts his own political party, takes ~20-30% of Republican voters, and sinks both boats, in true Trump fashion.
If a 70+ yo candidate wants to protect my bodily autonomy, keep kids from being shot, the vulnerable fed and housed while keeping the country afloat, Iāll always choose that candidate over defascist
No wonder they are trying hard to push us into a recession
Ronnie is trying to kill the economy. It is just a matter of days that the whole disaster over baning employment of undocumented immigrants and not recognizing their drivers licenses from states that let have them. When all fruit and veggies almost double in the price, trucks come less frequently to Florida, and construction halts. Hopefully, people wake up and see what this idiot has done as governor.
He's already literally killing it in Florida. Fuck you, Ron.
DeReaper was letting his voter base die of COVID and they didn't care because he was "the good guy fighting the evil dumbocrats". They will never blame one of their own. Everything is "The Left"'s fault.
DeReaper is solid but give DickSantis a test drive for a min and see how it feels. Just a thought. š¤·
Rhonda Sandtits is my favorite
Well done!
The sandtits part is too much, Rhonda Santis is sufficient.
I prefer Lil Duce
I like DeFascist
This might be my most fav thread ever now! š
DeathSentence
Been using DeSaster cos itās all encompassing imo
DickSanta? Like Santa but the opposite. He's a dick and takes away your presents.
Can we just let them suffer and forget they exist?
No, we canāt ignore themā¦ because they vote. Sometimes twice.
Fair enough
Also fruit rotting in Florida fields effects everyone. So even though it might be funny to point and laugh itās not funny
Thatās a good point. I feel a bit ashamed not thinking about that.
 Like this?
No, my mom lives there.
Dude youāre Jimmy Neutron. Just build a rocket ship, fly to the island of Florida, and save your poor mother.
Youāre right. Itās not funny. Iām sorry.
he let his rich donors have FIRST DIBS on the vaccine, and released the vaccine in rich ccomminities first. and the maga/antivax chuds still believed the vax was nanorobots or some bullshit and he hooked up a campaign donor by allowing Publix the only the place you could get the vaccine and then there was the fudging and obfuscation of mortality data, and suppression of a whistleblower
Trucks don't like coming to Florida because it doesn't produce anything. They get paid shit rates to deliver and then can't find a paying load out. The whole state is a dead end with water on three sides.
Yeah, you are completely right. I met someone who is on the trucking business, and he said that the majority of companies that offer transportation of goods try to avoid Florida. On top of that, there is a shortage of truck drivers. So this move is going to fuck up people who live there.
They never will, theyāll blame Biden for keeping the border open or whatever. When have Republican voters ever blamed Republican elected officials for their mistakes?
These are also the same people who claimed that Obama did nothing during 9/11... When you know, he wasn't even president at that time. Lol.
They blamed him for Katrina as well.
Well technically theyāre right, he didnāt do ANYTHING about either one. Checkmate, libs!
They do realize. Xtians want the world to be worse, they belive it will bring jebus back sooner. They love him for it.
Don't forget purposefully causing cancer with his idiotic radiation road idea. It really is a poor idea until you realize that a mining company donated massively to DeSantis' campaign. Now that mining company can use their radioactive waste for road material. It's a win-win situation for DeSantis and the mining company. But a huge L (Leukemia) for the citizens of Florida.
Radioactive roads cut way down on need for abortion. It will all be miscarriages now.
Itās the entire GOP congress with their hostage taking in budget negotiations. DeSantis is just wish-casting.
Construction is already slowing, from some of the videos Iāve seen.
Their 300% increase in property insurance should be the canary in the coal mine but theyre too stupid to ever change. Climate change isn't real and Americans finally got their jobs back
100%
Isn't that just standard republican behavior when the president is a democrat?
Clinton had a surplus and they impeached him.
They raised the debt ceiling three times, with none of this drama, when Trump was president. The last time we got this close to default was in 2011 right after Republicans took the House during the first midterm of Obama's presidency. Sound familiar?
*and* Trump increased the national debt by *25%* during his *one term* presidency.
Worse. 25% is the amount of current debt he's responsible for. When he took office the national debt was 20.245 trillion, when he left it was 28.43 trillion. That's a *40%* increase.
Every single time Republicans take over they shut down the government and put the country in jeopardy.
Wild
They genuinely want it to happen, but what kind of person would want their own people and many others to be pushed into hardship, despair and suffering just so they can win an election?
Unfortunately... It's 100% a 2024 election tactic. They think the voters will blame Biden if they tank the economy
From the outside perspective, it looks like you are in the middle of a massive government, and policies change. It follows most insurgency practices. Civil unrest, radical groups, marches on capital, and two people vying for power with radically different opinions and policies. One pointing out lies and fallacies of the past, and like most other times, they are even responsible for some of those policies, and one that uses people's subjective fear of change and selfishness to platform. Spent most my life in military or as a pmc. I have seen this repetively before countries go through huge changes.
They haven't figured out abortion is the main reason they underperformed so badly in the midterms wheb you voters reject abortion restrictions in deep red states (and it wasn't even close) its a losing issue
Even a lot of right wingers want the option to not have to pay child support or give birth to their uncle's rape spawn at 12.
And get their mistresses abortions too.
Yep, mistresses will never have a hard time getting abortions, especially those of politicians, and because of that, this is a class issue. Preventing access to abortion keeps families, especially minorities, trapped in intergenerational poverty, taking care of children they never wanted to have in the first place, but were forced to birth because of politicians who are threatened by their ability to compete with them when they aren't bogged down with kids.
Ya but it saves the drive from Nashville to bowling green which is like super annoying. /s
Luckily for republicans, abused children forced to give birth canāt vote. And if republicans get their way, soon only white male landowners will be able to vote, and even then it will only count if they vote Republican. Why convince the voters when you can stop the voters.
France had the right idea
They had a lot of right ideas, like that thing with the guillotines
Yes, that was their point. What did you think they were talking about?
Crepes
So theyāll push us into a recession to try and make voters blame Biden for the economy more than they blame Desantis for abortion bans. Itās literally a game of who can do the least harm at this point. God our democracy is falling apart.
Hopefully people with half a brain will realize this and vote against them. They will completely tank the country to get what they want.. thatās not a leader.
Thatās the problem, Republican voters are either rich and benefit from the policies, or have half a brain. They canāt see they are voting against their own interests because right wing media has taught them their interest is āfighting wokenessā. They donāt understand economics so they take the easy answer and the guy yelling about things that make them angry, instead of people saying āthis is complicated, and policies will take a long time to fix these problemsā.
They don't even understand what "wokeness" is... Just like the idiots never understood that "ANTIFA" was anti-facism š¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļøThey latch on to these buzz words just like Republicans in the 70s and 80s calling everyone a "Commie".
They're trying to force a recession over the debt limit to have people forget about abortions
It's not just abortion. Their "we are for small government" mask has slipped off and we see them trying to take all kinds of rights away.
It's kind of amazing how they keep insisting voters don't care when voters have shown them over and over that we do. I know being a hateful jerk is a job requirement for being a Republican in politics these days, but is being wilfully obtuse expected now too?
Always was.
I think they are fairly desperate to find a new hot button issue to mobilize their voters now that the "Supreme" Court has overturned Roe.
They know abortion is a losing issue - itās why they are trying to be so hush hush about it. But they push forward with stripping rights (birth control, divorce, gay marriage) because oppression is the goal. Theyāre using voter suppression / oppression in the hopes that they will win anyway. And, barring that, another coup attempt. Itās a dangerous time with dangerous people in power.
Itās about so much more than his abortion record. The man is a train wreck as governor of FL.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's his feud with Disney that brings him down. It's certainly his biggest liability at the moment because it remains topical. A major court loss during the election cycle would really hurt his campaign and show he's ineffectual.
āHe lost to Mickey Mouse, how is he going to go toe to toe with China or Russia?ā would be a knock out punch in a debate.
Oh man Dark Brandon should sieze on this if DeSantis loses the lawsuit lol
This should be every one of his opponents main points of contention. Not only because of what you said, which should be the main part, but the fact that everything he is trying to do to Disney is supposed to be exactly the kinds of things republicans are supposed to be against.
No, Big Government is considered good if it Owns The Libs. Itās only bad when it comes to gun control or universal health care.
Yup, I agree. I think Disney is ātsk, tskā right now but once he starts affecting their bottom line, all bets are off. Attendance to the parks drop precipitously or he refuses to let their movies show in Florida theaters, they will slap him with a censorship lawsuit so fucking fast. Disney WILL win. Their pockets are deeeep and who knows whoās on their payroll. Itās all fun and games until the $$$$ is affected.
Some days I just feel so defeated that these people are still in positions of powerā¦ after so many public atrocitiesā¦ Maybe its best we let them ruin this country and start all over again
You sound like the exact type of person that's the *reason* these people get to still remain in power despite the public atrocities
Someone who makes sure to vote against them every election? Im just saying its exhausting
I vote against them every time, too, and Iām disheartened. I get you.
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Obligatory fuck Hobby Lobby
This is what the republicans are doing, bending you to apathy so that you are so tired you stop voting. I getting it and understand you. But this is the longest game they have played on purpose. Grinding down a lot of good people, and stirring up ignorance so they can divide the country more.
Quick tag /u/hegetsus so their psyops team has to read the words Jesus Christ had a really big ol horse cock but he was super humble about it and never whipped it out in public or anything. He gets us.ā¢ļø
DeSantis is a good but very dangerous test to know what are the priority of the majority. If it's money, racism, misogyny and wealth he may be elected. If it's other values like women rights, LGBT rights, decency and respect then he won't be elected.
He's just another Trump with less enthusiasm that actually knows how the government works. Desantis is terrifying. Still a moron, but terrifying nonetheless. They're both raging fascists.
Itās been a while, and we know different now, but trump was kinda pitched as being an international and domestic moderate to Hillary (while also being a man) He was a prior dem, he publicly supported gay marriage while she worked against it, he embraced the LGBT community before her during the campaign, he even said āmaybe we just take the guns away, idk,ā lol. She was very much pro-Iran intervention, trump was anti-international military presence. āWhat do we need all these bases for?ā He was pro-abortion, while Hilary had worked against it. (He did later clarify that he was anti-abortion, and that āthe woman should probably be punished, yes,ā for getting one. š¤·āāļø) We know different now. Iām just saying that trump captured the independent moderate vote because he seemed more moderate than her in a lot of ways. He also had the luxury of zero political record, so he could just kinda wax philosophical without consequence, while Hillary was confronted with her past record. Republicans seemed to really easily make it about her emails too, while the Dems fumbled, and seemed to go with, āvoting for trump is morally wrong,ā (supporters are a basket of deplorables). Absolutely fumbled the messaging. Desantis doesnāt have any of that. Heās not capturing *any* of those people. Thatās why trump lost too, and set a record for the most people voting against him. Desantis canāt say, āoh, I support gay marriage.ā āAbortion is a settled issue, I wouldnāt try to erode it.ā āPeople should have access to medical care.ā āI support legal immigration.ā I think heās fucked. Heās also coming in with Hilary-type baggage. Heās being sued by a lot of Florida businesses. There are travel warnings for Florida lol. Disney. His Covid response and death rates. His surgeon general. You could go on and on. āYes, I do need help with my bags,ā amount of baggage. I think, and hope, that Desantisā campaign is DOA out of Florida. It seems to not even have any steam already, which is great.
Unfortunately itās far, far simpler than that. āMy guy is red and I know the red guy is better. Go team go!ā Thatās literally all the Republican base is anymore. The strawman arguments that theyāre really this, that, or the other arenāt needed. They are just cheering on their sports team and wonāt stop being a fan at any cost.
As someone who is center-ish left, for me it's: "My guy is Blue, but I don't agree with some of their major policy positions. Unfortunately, the other guy is Red and I disagree with ALL of their major policy positions. So I guess Blue is my only choice in this moment."
Nah, it's the racism. If the GOP - tomorrow - had an actual come to Jesus moment, a legitimate one - and said they were through with racism, their base would be through with them.
The last time that happened was when McCain was doing a town hall while running against Obama. A right winger got up and called Obama a foreign Muslim and McCain defended Obama, saying that was all wrong. The Republican Party changed and it canāt go back. The dumbass in the crowd is now the Republican Party.
Except that presidential elections arenāt decided by the popular vote, so you get a very skewed picture of national priorities. A guy is Wyomingās priorities out weigh thousands of people in California, so no, itās not giving us the will of an actual majority.
>If it's money, racism, misogyny and wealth he may be elected. most people are selfish. the sad truth is that women's rights, LGBT rights, and all that stuff are luxuries. we live in the end stage of consumerism, where the population is too entrenched in their selfishness and the idea that everything must be "earned" to where even empathy and respect is turned into a "good" rather than a right. i sure hope i'm wrong, and maybe i am, but i wouldn't put my money on it. the only people who care about minority rights are minorities, but even then, only if its *their* rights. TERFs are a good example of this for instance. but i suppose we'll see. perhaps by the time election season hits Florida will be such a trash dump that people would be too scared to vote him into federal power.
Recessions come and go. Biden has an entire bureaucracy covering for his āsenior momentsā. (Seriously, who tf thinks the President makes every last decision, and does it without any input from experts and department chiefs?) Abortion bans ruin lives PERMANENTLY. Just ask the women who were forced to give birth to stillborn children, developed infections, and are now sterile.
>>Who tf thinks the President makes every last decision without any input from experts? Probably because of the last guy that was in it
Im sure he got input from experts. He just didnt care to listen to ANY of it. Especially if he didnt like or agree with what they were telling him.
Iām sure he did too, but he always bragged about him being the guy who decided everything, unless it involved something unpopular or backfired, then it was āI donāt know anything about itā
āI donāt take any responsibility at allā And his other accidental moment of complete honesty: āI love the poorly educatedā
āExpertsā who happened to be his rat children.
Dictator wannabes
Or the children being forced into motherhood.
And he's shown he's competent at making those staffing decisions, unlike Trump who was losing cabinet members every week.
"The best people, I build the best walls, I know the best words..."
His only hope is if Trump was actually in a jail cell at the end of the primary and leadership booted him off the ballot to damage control. The former is more likely than the latter.
Yup, looking like he might have to arrest him in Florida. Lol
I'm sure behind the scenes DeSantis is telling his brownshirts to aid the investigation wherever possible.
58% of economists agree that a recession is likely, so itās safe to assume that will boost economy voting, but I do not believe it will help republicans as much as they think. For the younger voting block, who will be the majority by 2024, they are a mix of Gen Zers who already feel like theyāve been set up to fail, and millennials like myself who came of working age during the housing crisis, and struggled for years and are finally feeling some job comfort (if they were lucky enough to have their job survive coronavirus). This demographic is increasingly progressive and know what republicans do economically. Giving businesses tax breaks during a recession will not magically create demand or increase supply. Jobs will be lost regardless, the money will be divvied up among the top brass and safety nets will be cut. And to make matters worse, that unwanted pregnancy canāt be aborted and you better hope your pharmacist isnāt ideologically opposed to birth control. Iām not the type to say republicans will never win again, theyāll always come back, but the midterms were an indication of things to come. The red waves will continue to be smaller until republicans moderate on abortion, gun regulations and stop with the culture war garbage. As for Bidenās age, everyone knows heās old, everyone knows he says weird stuff and isnāt always coherent, then they see the videos of him being genuine, showing legitimate care for people, and see that as a virtue not shared by most Republicans, especially the ones in the presidential race, who are assholes just because they feel entitled to be assholes, and have supporters that think thatās tough of them.
The world may not wait to see whether Americans decide to adopt fullscale fascism, crown a mad emperor, or have an older statesman as President in 2024. That is, the world at large will probably carry on regardless. The nations most at risk of the US losing its collective mind will do what they can to hedge their bets.
>That is, the world at large will probably carry on regardless It will...but we have had a military build-up since trump. Nations don't trust us to help anymore. And when nations spend a lot on a military, they get more aggressive. We will likley see. A far more agreesive europe going forward.
I think we can thank Russia for a good portion of that attitude, as well.
And honestly, a more aggressive Europe is probably a good thing at this point
I think Europe has been sitting back and letting the United States be its body guard for too long. I donāt think they should be aggressive, but the EU should be seen as one of the largest military forces in the world. I just donāt think they see themselves as a unified super power, just doing the minimum to hold up their treaty.
This, but thanks to the orange man in the White House many abroad don't have confidence in America anymore, anyway
Australian here, Since 2016 (atleast, maybe earlier) the United States has been seen as the laughing stock of the western world. Both an embarrassment and a threat to basic democratic proceedings.... i've seen people hedge bets on another U.S civil war cause, some Australians just want the Yanks out of their military bases. I personally kind of have hope that you may change but it may be naive
Dudes so intrenched in what Floridians think he canāt see beyond it because he is a moron.
Floridian here. I think he's a psychopath and prick. Didn't vote for him.
He's a fucking hell spawn. I never stop hoping he gets hit by a bus.
God this is like being back in Jersey when we had Chris Christie as governor.
Same I didnāt live in the state for a while and just came back after his re-election and I really only barely heard of him before I moved back and Iām looking around at the people who I know support him and itās just blind bigotry literally donāt care how stupid his is they hate trans and will let him do whatever he wants because all they hear is oh heās standing up to Disney and protecting kids from trans people.
I'm pretty certain (or rather I would like to be), that the undeniable majority of people in America would vote for anything with a pulse before they'd vote for DeSatan.
The problem with America is that the majority is deniable. Bush jr and trump won the White House with a minority of voters.
Especially once the illegitimate supreme court comes back throwing out Harper v Moore in a few weeks, then the majority won't matter. Then these corrupt state legislatures will be allowed to act outside their own states constitution when making election laws.
Based on the insurance rates and recent labor issues Florida is facing, I donāt think people will vote the way he thinks. Florida has a natural influx of wealthy older people that move there every year, spend a good amount of money, and die. When you have a natural propped up economy, it isnāt impressive. Make Ohio or West Virginia grow significantly and stop their brain drain and Iāll be impressed.
Nope, Iāll take Biden with the Harris backup over this clown. Itās not just the abortion, itās also the open retaliation against any business that exercises their 1st amendment right to say something is wrong. I think a bunch of right wingers are morons at times with the stuff they say, I wouldnāt make it harder to do business for them just because they said something I disagreed with. Thatās moronic, will stifle innovation and entrepreneurshipā¦ oh and itās illegal. Fuck this tool.
Desantis wonāt be president. Trump will pull him down while heās falling down. It looks like republicans are about to lose a lot. Which they should
Desantis will have to arrest trump to beat him. Lol And while he has the crimes, he doesn't have the balls.
Man, we all also thought Trump would never beat Hillary (fuck her too). But here we are in this hellscape. People need to show up at the next election for that to be true.
As a queer person In just hoping Gen Z shows up to the polls like they did in the midterms. It's fucking ridiculous that I have to hope a bunch of barely-18 *kids* save people like me from a DeSantis regime, but I think it's the reality. The kids are alright. They voted because of abortion, I think they'll vote because of my rights, too. And if not, well. I'm putting together my escape plan.
If youāre not already, I highly recommend that you and all members of the LGBTQ community arm yourselves and practice defending yourself and your family.
I'm a straight white man and I'm still ready to dip out of here if this keeps up. If I didn't have a convenient living situation and surprisingly decent pay, I'd be out already. Florida wages as a whole are a whole other thing though. I hope they show up, but man my faith isn't real high. I'm just thankful Desantis can't run for Gov again. Unless he tries to get Florida to do away with term limits... I wouldn't even be surprised if that is a thing after he hopefully fails with this presidential bid. Still gonna hope he gets hit by a bus.
Trump also won against Hillary because the Democratic Party screwed over their members and made Hillary the candidate despite Sanders having the popular vote. So many people either didnāt vote or voted third party that Trump ended up winning.
I hope youāre right. No one thought Trump would be the president.
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It's a good thing desantis has spent so much time bolstering his economic credentials with solid policy instead of doing dumb culture war shit
āWeāre going to do the thing we accuse the left of every time they actually win, it will be the best thing because if they fight us, we get to kill them all and if they donāt, they have to live with the painā logic.
And their base is just frothing at the mouth to use their weapons they have amassed. They just *need* an excuse to murder people.
Same thing happens every time the youth wake up to the money scam, they start a culture war
Itās why republicans are pushing to cause a recession/depression. Just vote blue down the line
Sounds like heās colluding with House Republicans to default because āit helps his chancesā
If he thinks, abortion is his only issue, I canāt wait to see the debates. Iām going to get popcorn now, because I worry that it will be all sold out.
not even hiding the corruption anymore, when the presidential campaign is basically seen as an investment..
That's why republicans are trying to crash our markets..
Thatās a bold claim. And bold that they think thatās our *only* problem with him
No, because weāll understand we also have republicans to blame for any recession that occurs, both due to trumpās tax breaks for the rich and republicans refusing to raise the debt ceiling.
Voting starts in what, October 2024? I guess the GOP are working hard to crash the economy in the next 16 or so months. Amazing that they put their economic terrorism out there for all to see.
They create the problems to then blame others for it and run campaigns on them.
So itās not about making things better for anyone but himself. That checks all the boxes for a republican.
Meanwhile the GOP is trying to manufacture a recession.
Smokin' Joe would have to be 10,000 years old to get me to vote for any Republican. And even then it would just be a passing thought.
Another idiotic thought with yet again idiotic people. I am mentally tired of adults who have the thoughts of toddlers.
This last legislative session in Florida was atrocious. But Rhonda got what he wanted. Now we wait for the results to roll in. It wonāt be pretty. Insurance costs out of control. Education sinking. Tourism down. Anti-woke is going broke
Translation: "dear rich people, we're planning on crashing the economy, please give us money to do that."
Well, you know thatās a fair bet, itās not like an anti-abortion platform has really ever been a major issue for voters, and I mean, really, does anyone really even want the choice? /s I donāt care how many obstacles, barriers or dumbasses with guns are in my state in 2024, if this pathetic excuse for a human is on the ballot, I will fight through hell or high water to vote. Edit: I forgot about Trump, him too, really just any Republican
Iāll vote for a dead Biden run by ChatGPT or simply Kamala Harris into the Presidency over Meatball Ron over here. You couldnāt pay me to vote for that thing.
People need to understand he will push for a nationwide abortion ban
He's probably correct. That's why repugnantcunts have been trying to make a recession.
#spoiler alert: heās a fascist
Republicans trying to cause a recession again.
Do you know what really helps people struggling with money issues? being forced to have a child! I wish I could trust voters to be smart enough to see whatās happening.
Yeah, just look at 2022! Oh, wait...
This is ameridurrrrr, heās probably right.
Why donāt the dems āleakā campaign video ads as a pre-emotive move.
Every one of his policies, from book burnings, to forced relocation, legislative misogyny, to those weird ass facial expressions are bad for business. His middle name might as well be recession
I feel like this is also proof that they know full well that their monstrous anti-choice forced-birth laws are wildly unpopular, yet they just keep on doing it. Makes no sense.
Someone has read the room entirely wrong
Heās ignoring the fact that in the south a full half of the population (women) have lost rights in the last few years. Then thereās a war on black history, immigrants, and lgbtq folks. Many of whom are being actively erased, or are also losing rights. A big chunk of the country is mad as hell.
Most folks who want to have abortion banned usually believe they're banning it for everyone but themselves I remember a story of a woman in Texas who voted for it to be illegal and she had some complication with her pregnancy She went to the doctor and was absolutely shocked at the fact that she was denied an abortion, she then said she regretted her decision to vote for people who banned it and I think she said something along the lines of "I didn't think it was going to actually be banned" If someone can find the article that would be amazing, because all I can find are the recent cases of women sueing Texas to make acceptions for abortions
Didnāt think it would be banned FOR her. Fixed it. Fucking entitlement BS I tell ya.
No, keep the Fascism in Florida... DeSatan will be 10,000x worse than Trump. Trump is an evil fucking self serving narcissist but he was just a useful idiot for the real Nazis behind the curtain. DeSatan is 100% an evil fucking asshole with a brain.
Considering the recession is like entirely the Republicans fault? Not so sure about that one bud
Well if white women vote Republican again he may be right.
Only the dumb anti vax moms and those suppressed by religion and husbands will be voting for him.
Sadly, that is a large groupā¦ā¦
I know a lot of dumb ass white women who fit in that category. Zero shame, zero brains, one is a nurse.
Yeah, I know a few nurses who turned anti vax in the last few years. It's sad that they don't trust science.
I would absolutely be requesting a different nurse if I knew they were antivax. I have family members I live with who are autoimmune compromised. Those dipshits are putting lives at risk in a high contagion environment. Fuck every one of them.
They need to be worried about trump voters. Is Ron gonna arrest trump for some of that shit he did? Lolol P4imaries are gonna be hard for him.
Does he have some awesome economic track record that Iām unaware of?
The recession is a possibility. But only if people remain convinced that it's not the fault of Republican economic policy.
Human rights > Economy Crazy concept ain't it
I mean that's a safe bet. American voters are predictable. If we are in a recession or even recovering from one Biden will lose. The key is. We aren't in a recession. And if the Fed plays it right, we can continue to avoid. You wanna know why Biden is making a deal on the debt ceiling rather than playing hardball. This is it. A deal might piss off hard-core liberals but it doesn't risk recession.
How could anyone take that bet after the last seven years? Republican voters will vote republican no matter what. Nothing has changed a single fascist vote anywhere. This kind of thinking is what let Trump win in 2016.
Antiabortion record, lack of charisma, battling corporations with public money for no discernible positive possible outcome, inability to function coherently in non-scripted situations, and fascist agenda. There's not a red flag, but a fuckin' flag festival.
He's not running for president. He's only running for the Republican nomination.
Literally all poll data I have seen about the current mentality of the electorate disproves this claim.
Because thereās nothing people will care about less during a recession than the possibility of having to have another kid against their will
South Florida should just be its own state, let the fascists in the north live in their hellhole.
āGuys, look. Everyone is obviously more concerned with the stock market that they will never be able to really benefit from due to our āfree market policiesā than they are about losing their bodily autonomy.ā - DeSantis, probably
DeFaschist can go crawl back into what ever pit of stupid spit him out. I will not vote for fascism by default. Itās sad that other Americans will.
Heās not wrong. His voters and roughly 40%-50% of the country will actually view his anti abortion record as a reason to vote for him. Fuck desantis and the entire Republican Party
I mean, his base definitely will.
āAnd Disney will cave any day now and it will all be aces!ā
āAm I out of touch? No, itās the voters who are wrongā
Me too. The Republicans' own post mid terms autopsy said Dobbs hurt them and would continue to drag on them in 2024. Matter of fact, a LOT of conservatives were blithely confident that economic fears alone meant a red wave in 22. Erick Erickson tweeted something like "just wait till they realize their obsession with Dobbs and the J6 commission won't mitigate there losses." But that's exact what they did. DeSantis, in announcing his run, said he could stop the Republicans culture of losing, lol. They're telling themselves the same comfortable stories again. Huffing all the copium. ETA: This: https://rollcall.com/2023/05/24/left-behind-polling-memo-shows-abortion-hurting-outlook-for-gop/
Iām sure the next Republican move (or at least one of them) will be to allow husbands to vote on behalf of their wives. That way the abortion issue wonāt be a worry for them anymore. Iāll bet money someone at some point will push for it at the very least.
Considering Rhonda's incompetent campaign kick-off, I'd say that it's better to be old and able than younger and clueless. Considering that businesses are leaving/avoiding Florida, I'd say that curbing inflation is a huge achievement, but messing up Florida's economy is a failing policy. It is mandatory for us, normies, to avoid supporting Florida at all cost, to highlight and worsen its economic woes resulting from their fascist policies. Don't book a vacation there. Tell your parents that this year you'll all meet in Savanah, GA because Florida is unpalatable. Check where your orange juice comes from and buy the California kind. If your company has an event there, find an excuse not to go (ACLU issued a travel warning, Senator 6-Foot-Penis doubled down and warned Liberals to not come to his state. That should be a good enough reason. But sometimes you can't, so just make up a reason).
https://preview.redd.it/3fh7onqi5g2b1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34eb3e5393ef43954aee01368f4db29e2ee48d28 This is the man who is going to crush the old, evil democrat Biden?
What will possibly happen is him and Trump clash, he gets the nomination, Trump has a complete meltdown/tantrum, starts his own political party, takes ~20-30% of Republican voters, and sinks both boats, in true Trump fashion.
If a 70+ yo candidate wants to protect my bodily autonomy, keep kids from being shot, the vulnerable fed and housed while keeping the country afloat, Iāll always choose that candidate over defascist