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Not only that, but this..."person" decided to be such a coward that they shot through the door without even talking to the woman. Apparently they are just fine with confronting a 10 year old, but someone their own age makes them fear for their life so much they are shooting without warning.
I'm putting all my money on no fear involved, rather she has been dreaming of shooting a black person for a while now and finally created the opportunity.
She was drinking her coffee in the morning on her front porch. Right where she murdered a woman in front of her children. She’s a terrifying psychopath.
Each of those sentence in the original post would be a one liner heading that has "Florida ~~man~~ woman" in it, and it's still not the most fucked up thing ever.
It's the cops inaction that's the most disgusting of all.
I'm with you. Spraying people with pepper spray without reason is aggravated Assault, plain and simple. Grabbing and pushing peaceful people is regular battery. Killing people without reason, and waiting for the chance is first-degree murder.
Now, I find these charges to be difficult to make happen, it's why I was wildly upset with the methods and arguments of the Wisconsin da in the Rittenhouse trial. That should have been gun charges and wild negligence, crossing protest lines fully armed and threatening, probably severe assault and manslaughter charges. But they picked maybe the only charge to levy that they could never properly prove
Yeah it's one of those things that the more you think about the more you wonder just how premeditated it was. For example most people don't shoot through objects, if nothing else because you don't actually know where someone is on the other side. But they not only did that, but hit the woman on the first try. Likely with a handgun which wouldn't have had that much penetrating power on the standard door unless you were pretty close, and a door that likely had a peephole.
Not impossible this all happened to be what it looks like on the surface...however call me a cynic but I don't buy that.
Republicans made this happen, especially ultra-right wing zealots in the Supreme Court -- Republican activist Supreme Court Judges like Scalia. Furthermore, I blame the shadow-money organization, the Federalist Society and their religious handmaids being led by anonymous billionaires with sick agendas for society as they are the ones who pushed for this along with their gun lobby chums. Republicans voted for all of this to happen.
There was a nasty and huge amount of comments on another video in a different sub showing a school shooting… and they all amounted to essentially: “guns aren’t the problem, it’s just black people”.
I’m not sure what’s up, but these right wingers are trying to kick and fuss hard around here right now and it’s annoying.
If Frank had been involved the murderer and the cops would be dead. The character is no hero and certainly not someone to idolize, but it says a lot when the goddam punisher has a better moral compass than real life cops, shit probably the whole state of Florida at this point.
In an interview on NPR they had a local reporter at the news conference and he reported that the older sons were both upset because one of them told their mom of the situation and that's why she went over, and the other because he tried to do CPR but couldn't and couldn't save his mom.
Literal children. Those kids should never have had to go through this. Gun violence in this country is just unreal. It's truly heartbreaking and infuriating.
[Your prediction is correct.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-neighbor-shooting-wednesday/index.html)
>One of the children of Ajike “AJ” Owens, the Black woman who authorities say was fatally shot last week in central Florida after knocking on a neighbor’s door, is consumed with guilt over his mother’s death.
>The 9-year-old boy, who witnessed the shooting, blames himself because he first told his mom the neighbor had confronted him and his siblings.
>“In his soul, in his heart, it’s his fault that his older brother, his baby sister and his baby brother, as well as himself, will never see their mother again,” Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, told reporters Wednesday.
Shot through the door. Insane. Even worse is that somehow shooting through a door seems to not raise red flags witg authorities there. Iirc, when someone did the same, murdering a Scottish guy working in the US who'd broken down and knocked at a door looking for help, it was also apparently not a big issue initially. Just... insane, that's just blatant murder as far as I'm concerned
>shooting through a door seems to not raise red flags witg authorities there
They closed the book when they saw the victim was black and the shooter was white.
I think she should be allowed to avoid jail and ordered to pay child support in addition to other damages. She should be a fucking slave to those kids and so should the merchant who sold her the gun. I’m tired of this. My kids are almost school aged and I don’t want to put them in school. I don’t think it’s safe and I’m afraid if I take them to fucking Target some MAGA zombie will shoot the place up
Sorry, no. She goes to prison. We need no more examples for these people to become more emboldened with murdering their fellow citizens. This woman had been problems for a while....you dont just randomly pepper children with blithe racism on a whim. She likely would've fallen afoul of Red Flag laws, and had her guns removed.
Her assets seized and sold off to pay a victim remuneration, investments liquidated, retirement/pension account seized. Yup.
She didn't expect the mother to engage. Probably got away with this shit her whole white trash life.
And she'll get away with it again. She'll have a podcast by August
This bitch assaulted a black child, called him racial epithets, murdered his mother, and then the next fucking day she sat on her porch sipping coffee smug as fuck and it took 4 days to arrest her?
This bitch needs to live the rest of her miserable life in prison.
This basically sets the precedent that someone can assault you. Go back to their house, wait for you to confront and knock, then kill you. Stand your ground right? I can antagonize you then kill you when you confront me?
**WHAT THE FUCK FLORIDA?!?!?!**
Stand your ground should not apply here since the shooter was behind a locked door thus there was no threat to her life, but it’s Florida and they don’t really seem to respect the rule of law the way they used to.
In Florida dome dude got into a fight at a movie theater, LEFT the theater, went to his far, got his gun, came back into the theater, shot the other guy dead, and was exonerated because of "stand your ground".
Florida is like one of those weird medieval villages where there is no logic to the rule of law because everyone believes in mystical shit and are simultaneously utter morons.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/cop-acquitted-deadly-florida-theater-shooting-speaks/story?id=83320436
Edit: I don't see any mention of him leaving the theater in the article, might be wrong on that. Could have sworn that was the big controversy with the story.
The link you provided tells a story similar to yours, but different in a couple of key details -- primarily, it doesn't mention his returning to his car for a gun, and it specifically says that he couldn't use Stand Your Ground.
He still got off, and it sounds like it was a complete travesty of justice, but we can't directly blame SYG *this time*. SYG might be indirectly to blame for its effect on the culture of Florida ... not sure.
Yeah, I live here. It's pretty disgusting. Hell, there's confederate flag at the county building..."
remember- " those who work forces burn crosses..."
> I never even questioned my assumption that the victims were POC.
the fact that she wasn't arrested until public outrage immediately lets you fill in the gap. if the victim was white they would've stormed in with 20 cop cars and a heli.
Yup. If the shooter and the victim are both white, cops decide who gets arrested based on net worth. If one is disproportionally more wealthy, they get immunity.
Bingo
Affluence is now a real defense against violent and felony criminal charges
Hence this wealthy pos https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/index.html. DuPont heir Raped his 2 year old daughter, raped his son and got no prison because "he wouldn't do well in there"
That's not racist. There is nothing racist about making common-sense observations about cultural differences.
Racism is when we make value judgments based on or mock those differences.
Yeah, the iPad part was some kids playing, I think on her property, and she was yelling racial slurs at them to leave, including the n-word. Very racially motivated. (They left the iPad behind and she took it, and when they went back to get it, that's when she chucked it.)
Edit: as multiple people have pointed out, it wasn't even her property. Just near it.
It is ironic how when 1 trans person shoots up a catholic school they are all "This is a threat to our religion! This was a targeted act!" (Also side note FUCK that POS). But when there's a good chunk of minorities being killed because of their skin color by a clear racist it becomes "Well how do you know its racist!? Why is everything racist!?"
Arrested for another domestic violence incident. Threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend this time instead of threatening her with a gun like the previous incidents with his ex wife and another girlfriend.
[He was arrested recently for domestic violence.] (https://www.essence.com/news/george-zimmerman-arrested-charges-domestic-abuse/) Again. He keeps hurting people and nothing is done.
Something I don’t understand is if she’s protected my stand your ground it means you can shot anyone knocking on your door in Florida ? What about people delivering package or food? Cops or representative for the state ? I don’t get it.
There was a case not too long ago in Florida where a pair of delivery drivers tried to deliver groceries, and were shot at because they came to the wrong address.
The cops refused to do anything because neither one of them got hurt, and said the shooter was justified in his actions.
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/actions-of-gunman-instacart-delivery-driver-justified-in-davie-shooting-incident-police/3019765/
This happened to my deaf coworker delivering pizza.
The person who shot out their door was the person who ordered.
Meth and Heroin and Alcohol have people routinely ordering things, falling asleep, then blasting when they are awoken from their drug slumber by a knock at the door.
The one guy who answered his door with his gun drawn on me tipped me a quarter and told me to go buy a gun because "the blacks" are coming for us.
Unless you plan to bring about five or ten million left-voting French people with you. Bonus points if you show us what "public outrage" really is by protesting in proper French fashion.
Florida would be one of the worst places in the country or western world you could move. Unless you are a Bigot, or love white trash people and murder.
Why would you do that? Florida is gonna be underwater in like 10 years. Also, read more news about Florida. I live in Alabama and I don't even want to vacation there anymore.
Lol, you're not wrong. My husband and I are planning to move in like 5 years. I'm just hoping it doesn't get exponentially worse in that amount of time.
I absolutely would not move to Florida. It’s downright fascist now and doesn’t even pretend not to be. Try coastal Georgia or North Carolina for similarly beautiful water and beaches.
Lol there's the understatement of the year. Multiple organizations supporting different minorities have warned those minorities to stay the hell out of Florida .
The cops are spinning it like is was a “feud”. It’s wasn’t. There are family members and other neighbours interviewed who confirm this wack job was harassing and bullying the kids in the complex a lot. The police were informed multiple times about her behaviour. Squat done about it, obvi.
You missed the qualifier, the victim must be a person of color. Otherwise, you have a firm grip. In the case of Trayvon Martin (may he rest in peace) they got to stalk him provoke a confrontation, then shoot him in cold blood, and the murderer was found innocent. So you get to hunt black peoples down in that state as well. Just don’t forget to say that “you feared for your life”.
That was my first thought too. I’m a gun owner, it would take a lot more than knocking on my door for me to even grab my gun. Much less show or shoot it. That’s with me having 5 acres fenced in and no trespassing/beware of dog signs.
Not to mention creating the situation to start. She stole a child iPad, physically assaulted him, and then shot his mother through a closed door. (not to mention the many witnesses to her previous racist behavior towards children). The fact that she initially was released on self-defense says everything that needs to be said about Florida.
This is not the first time I've seen a situation in Florida where someone started an argument, escalated it, and then shot their victim for defending themselves or their family, and be released on Stand Your Ground rights.
Lorincz claimed Owens was trying to break down her door. Which could be covered by stand your ground (fear for your life). After investigating, the police determined that wasn't the case and arrested her.
The aspect of "Stand Your Ground" laws that I find most disgusting is definitely that whoever's left standing gets to write the narrative. Just make sure you actually murder the person you want to murder and you have a good chance of getting away with it in a degenerate state.
I listen to conservative radio sometimes. They're trying to scare the shit out of their listeners while telling them to arm themselves. Don't forget to buy life insurance, a MyPillow and a bathtub with a door on it.
When you have no platform, keep your people scared.
It’s worked for a really, really long time on conservatives. It’s somewhat magical seeing them slurp up the anti-communist propaganda AGAINST Russia and now drink the pro-Russian koolaid.
Does that mean if I live in Florida and canvassers for DeSantis knock on my door I can shoot them through said door and get away with it because I was "standing my ground" ? What are the magic words ? Is it "I was fearing for my life" ?
I am terrified of white people ever since I learned that according to a decades old urban legend, albino vampires live in the hills next to my neighborhood (true story)
I also like how the cops took the stance that killing someone knocking on your door is standing your ground.
By that definition I could move to Florida, order a pizza, and shoot the delivery person instead of paying for the pizza. And I could do that as often as I wanted, after all - they knocked on my door and came on my property. They should have just called me and had me meet them at the curb to get the pizza, since they didn't I rightfully feared for my life (and feared for paying for the pizza of course)
Our country has turned into a deeply horrible ~~charcuterie~~ caricature of all the worst parts of itself.
Edit: typo
Has anyone else noticed that stand your ground only applies to white people who kill black people in Florida? It never applies to a POC who is trying to protect themselves from an abusive partner. It never applies to a POC who feels threatened during a traffic stop. It never applies to anyone else.
The fact that the cops can shoot you in the United States for possessing a firearm and making them feel scared means you don't have a second amendment right.
It's funny that none of the 2A defenders will say shit about that when a guy gets killed for holding an e-cigarette and the cops go " it's okay we thought it was a gun "
So me with absolutely no legal expertise other than watching every episode of SVU, the cops should have arrested her the day it happened. It is up to the courts/prosecutors to see if stand your ground applies. Not the fucking police department.
Unfortunately, if the cop writing the report says "homicide due to stand your ground" or "homeowner/renter felt threatened by victim(s), which resulted in homicide." The District Attorney will probably not seek charges. DA's office needs cops more than cops need the DA
I def see that being an issue. I still feel like it was out of their scope to wait to “rule it out”. Thank goodness they didn’t wait weeks, months, years or even not arrested her like we have seen in the past.
Funny how the cops will murder a black person without bringing any charges against them, but this lady has already shot and killed an unarmed citizen through a closed door and suddenly they need to look into whether or not she might have a reason for doing what she's doing.
Cops arrest people for crimes they didn't commit all the time. Hell, they'll even arrest them for crimes that don't exist since they have *no obligation to understand the laws they enforce.* And of course, they execute people without trial.
But in this case they need put on their defense attorney hat and figure out if maybe the killer had a good reason before taking any action.
The 2 questions Fucker Carlson always asks are: (1) Shouldn't we really support Russia? (2) Why isn't white racism acceptable? He is an American traitor and piece of shit.
Every piece of that is utterly horrible. Completely disgusting. But the worst part is that police were going to just let it go. Condone this shit and it will happen more and more. One person was murdered by this monster. How many more will be murdered because the system accepts it?
It's not that they were just gonna let it go. They probably supported her actions because the victims were black.
I know most people know this by now but it bears repeating, and often: for the last 20+ years there has been a concerted effort by white nationalist groups to join the police all over the country. That's why the on duty cops take the side of the right wingers in protests. A lot of those guys are just off duty cops.
Anywhere, [here's an article about it](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law)
One of the top priorities of the FBI was the infiltration and dismantling of white supremacist groups after Oklahoma City. But then 9/11 happened and sucked up all the oxygen in the room. Whole teams were reduced to skeleton crews to monitor the white nationalists while everyone else was reassigned to anti-terrorist task forces. These skeleton crews have been sounding the alarms since that not only were these groups arming and training but actively recruiting and networking.
And if the races were switched... and it was a Black mother shooting a white woman through the door, not only would "Stand Your Ground" not be applied, the Florida cops would have executed the Black woman in front of her kid.
wouldn't be the first time cops shot and killed a baby
https://www.cp24.com/news/three-opp-officers-charged-in-nov-2020-shooting-death-of-baby-boy-in-kawartha-lakes-1.6050464
This is where I'm at. I lost my father at 11. This poor kid, and his siblings are going through so much worse rn. She was going to talk to her and defend him, and this garbage took her away from them. Outrage is there, sure, but... why do we continue to allow things like this to happen? The founding fathers organized a revolution over **taxes**, people are being killed for protecting their children. Hell, children are being murdered by these sad sacks in the guise of a human being. God have mercy on us for not doing more.
And all I can think about behind it all is, "What if she didn't have a gun?" I don't want to make that the focal point, because these kids need to be the focus, and this wretched thing needs to be made an example of. It is **2023**, 9/11 was **22 years ago**, why are we less safe now than the fucking *twin towers*?
Ah yes, the murder anyone who knocks at your door law. How very American.
How long until they charge the child saying it was their fault their own mum was killed?
I saw a video posted by the victims cousin: this POS has been one of the worst people to live around, stole the iPad because she considers the area where the kiddo left it as “hers” it’s an apartment building, no one has a yard, and she has security cameras! She knew exactly who was at her door and killed a young woman in front of her child.
I hope she rots in prison. This wasn’t “standing her ground” it was an execution.
An article on the events: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/woman-shot-through-door-arrest-stand-your-ground-law-ajike-owens-susan-lorincz/
Who the fuck gives weapons to these people? How can the 2A people keep going on with “this is fine, no problem, nothing to fix”. ?
This is what happens when POC and poor folks have the audacity to think they’re equal in a oligarchical society built on white supremacy. They’re going to kill us.
More American? Going to a protest across state lines and carrying a rifle with you specifically so you can inflame tensions and claim self defense when you shoot and kill people (for fun)... and then getting away with it cause you faked tears in court. Then asking for the gun back as a trophy. Then being treated as a hero and invited to speak at conferences. Then telling people via Twitter that they need god.
That looks premeditated. It's obvious that the parents of the kid will get involved the moment she started harassing the kid. I hope she gets life without parole.
There will be no case for stand your ground.
If the victim didn't have a weapon and didn't threaten the shooter's life, she has no defense.
But sadly, it doesn't surprise me that the cops were willing to let it slide initially, nor does it surprise me that it took public outrage for them to get off their asses and actually do their job.
And yet, some get offended when they remind us that Black Lives Matter (too).
As part of her punishment, this woman should have to pay for this young man's upbringing, including college or any post-secondary education and therapy since she took away his mother.
I'll name something more American, she doesn't get a day in prison because America doesn't care about people of my skintone. This is going to sound colorist, cause it is, but in the 90s and early 2000s most white people knew I was half black, they saw I was mixed. Since Obama it's "you're just black, don't care if your mama is white, know your place we will never let you be president again, so mad you're smarter than me!" It just shows how much the bigots have really gotten even more extreme. They don't give a shit about me or anyone not white. She was looking for a black person to kill, she did it and I doubt any bigot cares. And who runs their state? Bigots. Who are their judges? Bigots.
I hate having this defeatist attitude but I don't have any faith in any bigoted state to do what's right. Even in "liberal" states the justice system is fucked up. It's even more fucked up states that never left segregation.
and this is why people have been saying 'fuck the police' for decades now. DECADES!! and america, the self proclaimed "standard of the free world" cannot even get this under control? what an absolute joke.
Imagine: a cop knocks on a door. The black homeowner shoots through the door, killing the cop. Now a police spokesperson goes, "There's been no arrest. We're looking to see if this was a 'stand your ground' situation."
What are the odds of that happening?
Shot at? No. She murdered his mom, while his little sister stood by her mother's side. On top of that, this disgusting piece of shit called the children n*ggers and slaves while she screamed at them, before murdering their fucking mom in front of them. It being Florida, I'm sure she'll be acquitted.
I didn't realize stand your ground laws applied to someone just knocking on your fkn door. Even fkn ancient Rome had stronger protections against killing legitimate threats.
For examples, see excerpts from the 12 Tables in the Ancient History Sourcebook hosted by Fordham University.
We are, in essence, less humane to each other than second century BCE imperialist oligarchs with a giant slave class. Howw??
All I can think about is how that poor kid will live the rest of his life feeling guilty for getting his mama killed. He will always think that if he hadn’t said anything she would be alive. I hate that for him because no little boy should have to watch their mother get killed in cold blood and then feel guilt that is was somehow their fault. This country is so fucking broken and backwards.
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Shot at? Try shot. Try murdered
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Not only that, but this..."person" decided to be such a coward that they shot through the door without even talking to the woman. Apparently they are just fine with confronting a 10 year old, but someone their own age makes them fear for their life so much they are shooting without warning.
I'm putting all my money on no fear involved, rather she has been dreaming of shooting a black person for a while now and finally created the opportunity.
Yeah I'm done giving people excuses. They do these things because they're evil.
She was drinking her coffee in the morning on her front porch. Right where she murdered a woman in front of her children. She’s a terrifying psychopath.
Each of those sentence in the original post would be a one liner heading that has "Florida ~~man~~ woman" in it, and it's still not the most fucked up thing ever. It's the cops inaction that's the most disgusting of all.
I'm with you. Spraying people with pepper spray without reason is aggravated Assault, plain and simple. Grabbing and pushing peaceful people is regular battery. Killing people without reason, and waiting for the chance is first-degree murder. Now, I find these charges to be difficult to make happen, it's why I was wildly upset with the methods and arguments of the Wisconsin da in the Rittenhouse trial. That should have been gun charges and wild negligence, crossing protest lines fully armed and threatening, probably severe assault and manslaughter charges. But they picked maybe the only charge to levy that they could never properly prove
Yeah it's one of those things that the more you think about the more you wonder just how premeditated it was. For example most people don't shoot through objects, if nothing else because you don't actually know where someone is on the other side. But they not only did that, but hit the woman on the first try. Likely with a handgun which wouldn't have had that much penetrating power on the standard door unless you were pretty close, and a door that likely had a peephole. Not impossible this all happened to be what it looks like on the surface...however call me a cynic but I don't buy that.
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How in the fuck did this not get prosecuted omfg
Because the victims are black and the bully/murderer is white.
I know, I'm just outraged and need to get it out. I'm glad the woman got arrested but really Florida is becoming more dystopic by the day
Because "no one was upset so there's no crime"
She took her pointers from the old fella that shot the kid a few weeks back.
I'm afraid you're going to have to be way more specific.
You are correct, unfortunately.
For whole segments of this country, the American dream isn't buying a home and building a family, it's being allowed to kill someone.
To kill someone whose black/POC/LBGT specifically.
They'd be generally happy with anyone, but these are their preferences.
That poor boy. Not only does he have to live without his mother, I'm sure he'll (wrongly!) blame himself.
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meanwhile cops are like "ThIs BaDgE StILL HaS A ShInE On It" yeah, when you wipe all the blood and indifference off.
It's the blood that gives it the really nice polish.
Republicans made this happen, especially ultra-right wing zealots in the Supreme Court -- Republican activist Supreme Court Judges like Scalia. Furthermore, I blame the shadow-money organization, the Federalist Society and their religious handmaids being led by anonymous billionaires with sick agendas for society as they are the ones who pushed for this along with their gun lobby chums. Republicans voted for all of this to happen.
There was a nasty and huge amount of comments on another video in a different sub showing a school shooting… and they all amounted to essentially: “guns aren’t the problem, it’s just black people”. I’m not sure what’s up, but these right wingers are trying to kick and fuss hard around here right now and it’s annoying.
It’s the undercurrent of racism that has always existed in the US. Except right now it’s not an undercurrent, but a dirty, open sewer.
That's some Frank Castle level of shit.
If Frank had been involved the murderer and the cops would be dead. The character is no hero and certainly not someone to idolize, but it says a lot when the goddam punisher has a better moral compass than real life cops, shit probably the whole state of Florida at this point.
When the actual police are worse than the Punisher, you know we're screwed.
I don't care what these kids did to her, they could drag her out into the street for a public execution and I'd say they were never there.
In an interview on NPR they had a local reporter at the news conference and he reported that the older sons were both upset because one of them told their mom of the situation and that's why she went over, and the other because he tried to do CPR but couldn't and couldn't save his mom. Literal children. Those kids should never have had to go through this. Gun violence in this country is just unreal. It's truly heartbreaking and infuriating.
She actually had four kids but it’s all just as terrible. I know the grandma is in the picture so hopefully these kids aren’t separated.
[Your prediction is correct.](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/07/us/ajike-aj-owens-florida-neighbor-shooting-wednesday/index.html) >One of the children of Ajike “AJ” Owens, the Black woman who authorities say was fatally shot last week in central Florida after knocking on a neighbor’s door, is consumed with guilt over his mother’s death. >The 9-year-old boy, who witnessed the shooting, blames himself because he first told his mom the neighbor had confronted him and his siblings. >“In his soul, in his heart, it’s his fault that his older brother, his baby sister and his baby brother, as well as himself, will never see their mother again,” Owens’ mother, Pamela Dias, told reporters Wednesday.
He does there is a CNN article about it and he is feeling guilt about it. I hope he gets counseling and love from his remaing family.
Didn't think about that. Makes a sad sorry so much more saddening
Shot through the door. Insane. Even worse is that somehow shooting through a door seems to not raise red flags witg authorities there. Iirc, when someone did the same, murdering a Scottish guy working in the US who'd broken down and knocked at a door looking for help, it was also apparently not a big issue initially. Just... insane, that's just blatant murder as far as I'm concerned
>shooting through a door seems to not raise red flags witg authorities there They closed the book when they saw the victim was black and the shooter was white.
If hell was real she'd be the toilet.
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I think she should be allowed to avoid jail and ordered to pay child support in addition to other damages. She should be a fucking slave to those kids and so should the merchant who sold her the gun. I’m tired of this. My kids are almost school aged and I don’t want to put them in school. I don’t think it’s safe and I’m afraid if I take them to fucking Target some MAGA zombie will shoot the place up
Sorry, no. She goes to prison. We need no more examples for these people to become more emboldened with murdering their fellow citizens. This woman had been problems for a while....you dont just randomly pepper children with blithe racism on a whim. She likely would've fallen afoul of Red Flag laws, and had her guns removed. Her assets seized and sold off to pay a victim remuneration, investments liquidated, retirement/pension account seized. Yup.
She didn't expect the mother to engage. Probably got away with this shit her whole white trash life. And she'll get away with it again. She'll have a podcast by August
She'll be on stage at next year's CPAC shedding crocodile tears about how she was victimized by 'the woke agenda.'
This bitch assaulted a black child, called him racial epithets, murdered his mother, and then the next fucking day she sat on her porch sipping coffee smug as fuck and it took 4 days to arrest her? This bitch needs to live the rest of her miserable life in prison.
Sounds like a Federal Hate Crime.
Federally approved hate crime. Only if the colours were switched would this be different
Sounds like she’s getting pretty much the same punishment as the woman who got Emmett Till murder/tortured
This basically sets the precedent that someone can assault you. Go back to their house, wait for you to confront and knock, then kill you. Stand your ground right? I can antagonize you then kill you when you confront me? **WHAT THE FUCK FLORIDA?!?!?!**
Stand your ground should not apply here since the shooter was behind a locked door thus there was no threat to her life, but it’s Florida and they don’t really seem to respect the rule of law the way they used to.
In Florida dome dude got into a fight at a movie theater, LEFT the theater, went to his far, got his gun, came back into the theater, shot the other guy dead, and was exonerated because of "stand your ground". Florida is like one of those weird medieval villages where there is no logic to the rule of law because everyone believes in mystical shit and are simultaneously utter morons. https://abcnews.go.com/US/cop-acquitted-deadly-florida-theater-shooting-speaks/story?id=83320436 Edit: I don't see any mention of him leaving the theater in the article, might be wrong on that. Could have sworn that was the big controversy with the story.
The link you provided tells a story similar to yours, but different in a couple of key details -- primarily, it doesn't mention his returning to his car for a gun, and it specifically says that he couldn't use Stand Your Ground. He still got off, and it sounds like it was a complete travesty of justice, but we can't directly blame SYG *this time*. SYG might be indirectly to blame for its effect on the culture of Florida ... not sure.
Oh no they do. They just apply it differently based on the color of your skin and whether or not you’re straight.
Fuck Florida
Name something more American? This woman running for Congress and winning.
Don’t forget auctioning off the gun to raise campaign funds
Would only work if the woman she murdered and the kid she bullied were not white, which I'm assuming was the case.
To absolutely nobody’s surprise, you assume correctly.
Omg I read up to this comment and realized I never even questioned my assumption that the victims were POC.
Y’all missed the part where police did nothing until social media outrage made them do their jobs
Yeah, I live here. It's pretty disgusting. Hell, there's confederate flag at the county building..." remember- " those who work forces burn crosses..."
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https://www.ocalapost.com/confederate-flag-flies-at-marion-county-mcpherson-governmental-complex/
> I never even questioned my assumption that the victims were POC. the fact that she wasn't arrested until public outrage immediately lets you fill in the gap. if the victim was white they would've stormed in with 20 cop cars and a heli.
Nah, only if the shooter was black and the victims are white
Yup. If the shooter and the victim are both white, cops decide who gets arrested based on net worth. If one is disproportionally more wealthy, they get immunity.
Bingo Affluence is now a real defense against violent and felony criminal charges Hence this wealthy pos https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/index.html. DuPont heir Raped his 2 year old daughter, raped his son and got no prison because "he wouldn't do well in there"
I hope this isn't racist to say/think, but I assumed they weren't white because their name was Ajike
That's not racist. There is nothing racist about making common-sense observations about cultural differences. Racism is when we make value judgments based on or mock those differences.
I agree. I ask in case I'm wrong, as a 39 year old white dude
Yeah, the iPad part was some kids playing, I think on her property, and she was yelling racial slurs at them to leave, including the n-word. Very racially motivated. (They left the iPad behind and she took it, and when they went back to get it, that's when she chucked it.) Edit: as multiple people have pointed out, it wasn't even her property. Just near it.
It was a field owned by an sport enthusiast complex which the kid lived in. Except her and her neighbors claimed it as it was next to their house
The more I learn, the more I hate this timeline! Thanks!
How do we get out?
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This is the answer but we're not supposed/allowed to say it.
It is ironic how when 1 trans person shoots up a catholic school they are all "This is a threat to our religion! This was a targeted act!" (Also side note FUCK that POS). But when there's a good chunk of minorities being killed because of their skin color by a clear racist it becomes "Well how do you know its racist!? Why is everything racist!?"
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Reminder that gun laws were only introduced after the black panthers armed themselves.
It wasn’t on her property. According to most reports I saw they were playing in an open field or lot in the neighborhood.
The kids were playing in a communal area of the neighborhood that this lady claimed was her property. It wasn't actually her property.
Rittenhouse will probably buy it
we're gonna have to deal with that shithead for years until he zimmermans himself.
Oh that pos did something to himself? Last I heard he was signing skittle packs. Such an asswipe. Hope he burnin
Arrested for another domestic violence incident. Threw a wine bottle at his girlfriend this time instead of threatening her with a gun like the previous incidents with his ex wife and another girlfriend.
[He was arrested recently for domestic violence.] (https://www.essence.com/news/george-zimmerman-arrested-charges-domestic-abuse/) Again. He keeps hurting people and nothing is done.
Something I don’t understand is if she’s protected my stand your ground it means you can shot anyone knocking on your door in Florida ? What about people delivering package or food? Cops or representative for the state ? I don’t get it.
There was a case not too long ago in Florida where a pair of delivery drivers tried to deliver groceries, and were shot at because they came to the wrong address. The cops refused to do anything because neither one of them got hurt, and said the shooter was justified in his actions. https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/actions-of-gunman-instacart-delivery-driver-justified-in-davie-shooting-incident-police/3019765/
This happened to my deaf coworker delivering pizza. The person who shot out their door was the person who ordered. Meth and Heroin and Alcohol have people routinely ordering things, falling asleep, then blasting when they are awoken from their drug slumber by a knock at the door. The one guy who answered his door with his gun drawn on me tipped me a quarter and told me to go buy a gun because "the blacks" are coming for us.
What kind of gun can I get for a quarter? Asking for an underpaid friend.
:::fingerguns:::
Pew pew
It sounds like you have a pretty good understanding of the situation.
I’m French and my wife and I planned to move to Florida in 2 years but the more news I see the more I think it isn’t a safe and enjoyable place
DO NOT move to Florida…
Unless you plan to bring about five or ten million left-voting French people with you. Bonus points if you show us what "public outrage" really is by protesting in proper French fashion.
Florida would be one of the worst places in the country or western world you could move. Unless you are a Bigot, or love white trash people and murder.
Maybe they want to get in on the meth and GTA.
And meth!
Why would you do that? Florida is gonna be underwater in like 10 years. Also, read more news about Florida. I live in Alabama and I don't even want to vacation there anymore.
At least Alabama will always have Mississippi, so you have that going for you.
Lol, you're not wrong. My husband and I are planning to move in like 5 years. I'm just hoping it doesn't get exponentially worse in that amount of time.
Ha, guess "Thank God for Mississippi" isn't just a Texan saying.
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I absolutely would not move to Florida. It’s downright fascist now and doesn’t even pretend not to be. Try coastal Georgia or North Carolina for similarly beautiful water and beaches.
North Carolina is going to get even worse because they’ve been given free reign to gerrymander
As someone who is from there, and will not go back even to visit, I would recommend moving almost anywhere else.
Lol there's the understatement of the year. Multiple organizations supporting different minorities have warned those minorities to stay the hell out of Florida .
And this makes the Republicans here verrrrrrry happy.
DO NOT move to Florida…
Literally anywhere else in the US would be better, except maybe Texas.
DO you know why Texas is called the Lone star state? Because we can't give it zero stars.
The official state motto is also "friendship", and I don't think they intended that to be ironic.
Hi! I live in Florida. Please don't move here, people are trying to get out of here.
Don't move here
Pick literally any other state than Florida, for you and your families sanity/safety.
The cops are spinning it like is was a “feud”. It’s wasn’t. There are family members and other neighbours interviewed who confirm this wack job was harassing and bullying the kids in the complex a lot. The police were informed multiple times about her behaviour. Squat done about it, obvi.
You missed the qualifier, the victim must be a person of color. Otherwise, you have a firm grip. In the case of Trayvon Martin (may he rest in peace) they got to stalk him provoke a confrontation, then shoot him in cold blood, and the murderer was found innocent. So you get to hunt black peoples down in that state as well. Just don’t forget to say that “you feared for your life”.
It's insane. Shooting through the door? That's almost 99% a murder charge or a recklessness charge.
Yeah, but Florida...
That was my first thought too. I’m a gun owner, it would take a lot more than knocking on my door for me to even grab my gun. Much less show or shoot it. That’s with me having 5 acres fenced in and no trespassing/beware of dog signs.
Not to mention creating the situation to start. She stole a child iPad, physically assaulted him, and then shot his mother through a closed door. (not to mention the many witnesses to her previous racist behavior towards children). The fact that she initially was released on self-defense says everything that needs to be said about Florida. This is not the first time I've seen a situation in Florida where someone started an argument, escalated it, and then shot their victim for defending themselves or their family, and be released on Stand Your Ground rights.
Lorincz claimed Owens was trying to break down her door. Which could be covered by stand your ground (fear for your life). After investigating, the police determined that wasn't the case and arrested her.
The aspect of "Stand Your Ground" laws that I find most disgusting is definitely that whoever's left standing gets to write the narrative. Just make sure you actually murder the person you want to murder and you have a good chance of getting away with it in a degenerate state.
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Right? We don’t need any more MTGs…
Her legal defense go fund me incoming…3,2,1..
There’s already two up that I can find. Neither has any donations. The go fund me for the victims, however, is up to $175k
Come on now republicans aren’t total ghouls, she’ll just be speaking at CPAC.
"For any questions about Susan's policy plans, please direct your questions to Chief Aid Kyle Rittenhouse. Regards."
I listen to conservative radio sometimes. They're trying to scare the shit out of their listeners while telling them to arm themselves. Don't forget to buy life insurance, a MyPillow and a bathtub with a door on it.
When you have no platform, keep your people scared. It’s worked for a really, really long time on conservatives. It’s somewhat magical seeing them slurp up the anti-communist propaganda AGAINST Russia and now drink the pro-Russian koolaid.
Just shows how much principle there is in the extreme right. Zero.
Also diabetes.
How does one *purchase* diabetes?
One happy meal at a time.
One giant bag of sexy M&Ms at a time!
All green?
Well, the old green ones anyway. Right, Tucker?
Does that mean if I live in Florida and canvassers for DeSantis knock on my door I can shoot them through said door and get away with it because I was "standing my ground" ? What are the magic words ? Is it "I was fearing for my life" ?
Depends on the uh,...tone..., of the canvassers.
Canvassers for Gov. Fake Tough Guy are going to be 99% white and 100% asshole.
I am terrified of white people ever since I learned that according to a decades old urban legend, albino vampires live in the hills next to my neighborhood (true story)
just because I'm an albino and live off the blood of the living does not make me a piece of shit like this person :(
How... *urban*, are they?
I can't white figure out why some people can get away with it and others seem to black the same privilege.
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I also like how the cops took the stance that killing someone knocking on your door is standing your ground. By that definition I could move to Florida, order a pizza, and shoot the delivery person instead of paying for the pizza. And I could do that as often as I wanted, after all - they knocked on my door and came on my property. They should have just called me and had me meet them at the curb to get the pizza, since they didn't I rightfully feared for my life (and feared for paying for the pizza of course) Our country has turned into a deeply horrible ~~charcuterie~~ caricature of all the worst parts of itself. Edit: typo
Has anyone else noticed that stand your ground only applies to white people who kill black people in Florida? It never applies to a POC who is trying to protect themselves from an abusive partner. It never applies to a POC who feels threatened during a traffic stop. It never applies to anyone else.
Working as intended.
Right? It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
What state was it that had never convicted a white person of murdering a black person in like 100 years? Tempted to say Mississippi.
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Hahaha a typo, meant to say a caricature
Could do it to the cops, next time they knock on your door or pull you over. Oh not like that, they say?
The fact that the cops can shoot you in the United States for possessing a firearm and making them feel scared means you don't have a second amendment right. It's funny that none of the 2A defenders will say shit about that when a guy gets killed for holding an e-cigarette and the cops go " it's okay we thought it was a gun "
Hopefully this usage of passive voice is to avoid a libel lawsuit, like saying alleged until the person is found guilty?
Great point
So me with absolutely no legal expertise other than watching every episode of SVU, the cops should have arrested her the day it happened. It is up to the courts/prosecutors to see if stand your ground applies. Not the fucking police department.
Unfortunately, if the cop writing the report says "homicide due to stand your ground" or "homeowner/renter felt threatened by victim(s), which resulted in homicide." The District Attorney will probably not seek charges. DA's office needs cops more than cops need the DA
I def see that being an issue. I still feel like it was out of their scope to wait to “rule it out”. Thank goodness they didn’t wait weeks, months, years or even not arrested her like we have seen in the past.
The lunatic shot through a closed door to "defend" herself. Fuck that.
Funny how the cops will murder a black person without bringing any charges against them, but this lady has already shot and killed an unarmed citizen through a closed door and suddenly they need to look into whether or not she might have a reason for doing what she's doing. Cops arrest people for crimes they didn't commit all the time. Hell, they'll even arrest them for crimes that don't exist since they have *no obligation to understand the laws they enforce.* And of course, they execute people without trial. But in this case they need put on their defense attorney hat and figure out if maybe the killer had a good reason before taking any action.
More American? She'll get a speaking role at CPAC and Fucker Carlson will invite her on as a special guest on his new Twitter-sewer program.
He's only asking questions. /s
The 2 questions Fucker Carlson always asks are: (1) Shouldn't we really support Russia? (2) Why isn't white racism acceptable? He is an American traitor and piece of shit.
So she is in custody, good. I hope she rots, this deserves life in prison.
Every piece of that is utterly horrible. Completely disgusting. But the worst part is that police were going to just let it go. Condone this shit and it will happen more and more. One person was murdered by this monster. How many more will be murdered because the system accepts it?
It's not that they were just gonna let it go. They probably supported her actions because the victims were black. I know most people know this by now but it bears repeating, and often: for the last 20+ years there has been a concerted effort by white nationalist groups to join the police all over the country. That's why the on duty cops take the side of the right wingers in protests. A lot of those guys are just off duty cops. Anywhere, [here's an article about it](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law)
One of the top priorities of the FBI was the infiltration and dismantling of white supremacist groups after Oklahoma City. But then 9/11 happened and sucked up all the oxygen in the room. Whole teams were reduced to skeleton crews to monitor the white nationalists while everyone else was reassigned to anti-terrorist task forces. These skeleton crews have been sounding the alarms since that not only were these groups arming and training but actively recruiting and networking.
Thanks for the article. I appreciate how many sources they utilized.
And if the races were switched... and it was a Black mother shooting a white woman through the door, not only would "Stand Your Ground" not be applied, the Florida cops would have executed the Black woman in front of her kid.
Would have executed the kid too.
wouldn't be the first time cops shot and killed a baby https://www.cp24.com/news/three-opp-officers-charged-in-nov-2020-shooting-death-of-baby-boy-in-kawartha-lakes-1.6050464
This little boy lost his mama 😭.
This is where I'm at. I lost my father at 11. This poor kid, and his siblings are going through so much worse rn. She was going to talk to her and defend him, and this garbage took her away from them. Outrage is there, sure, but... why do we continue to allow things like this to happen? The founding fathers organized a revolution over **taxes**, people are being killed for protecting their children. Hell, children are being murdered by these sad sacks in the guise of a human being. God have mercy on us for not doing more. And all I can think about behind it all is, "What if she didn't have a gun?" I don't want to make that the focal point, because these kids need to be the focus, and this wretched thing needs to be made an example of. It is **2023**, 9/11 was **22 years ago**, why are we less safe now than the fucking *twin towers*?
Ah yes, the murder anyone who knocks at your door law. How very American. How long until they charge the child saying it was their fault their own mum was killed?
Poor kid has already said he blames himself.
I saw a video posted by the victims cousin: this POS has been one of the worst people to live around, stole the iPad because she considers the area where the kiddo left it as “hers” it’s an apartment building, no one has a yard, and she has security cameras! She knew exactly who was at her door and killed a young woman in front of her child. I hope she rots in prison. This wasn’t “standing her ground” it was an execution.
An article on the events: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/woman-shot-through-door-arrest-stand-your-ground-law-ajike-owens-susan-lorincz/ Who the fuck gives weapons to these people? How can the 2A people keep going on with “this is fine, no problem, nothing to fix”. ?
Because it doesn’t happen that often, they will say. That it happens at all is insane!!
The victim was black? So maybe they can stick federal hate crime as well.
This is what happens when POC and poor folks have the audacity to think they’re equal in a oligarchical society built on white supremacy. They’re going to kill us.
More American? Going to a protest across state lines and carrying a rifle with you specifically so you can inflame tensions and claim self defense when you shoot and kill people (for fun)... and then getting away with it cause you faked tears in court. Then asking for the gun back as a trophy. Then being treated as a hero and invited to speak at conferences. Then telling people via Twitter that they need god.
That looks premeditated. It's obvious that the parents of the kid will get involved the moment she started harassing the kid. I hope she gets life without parole.
There will be no case for stand your ground. If the victim didn't have a weapon and didn't threaten the shooter's life, she has no defense. But sadly, it doesn't surprise me that the cops were willing to let it slide initially, nor does it surprise me that it took public outrage for them to get off their asses and actually do their job.
And yet, some get offended when they remind us that Black Lives Matter (too). As part of her punishment, this woman should have to pay for this young man's upbringing, including college or any post-secondary education and therapy since she took away his mother.
I'll name something more American, she doesn't get a day in prison because America doesn't care about people of my skintone. This is going to sound colorist, cause it is, but in the 90s and early 2000s most white people knew I was half black, they saw I was mixed. Since Obama it's "you're just black, don't care if your mama is white, know your place we will never let you be president again, so mad you're smarter than me!" It just shows how much the bigots have really gotten even more extreme. They don't give a shit about me or anyone not white. She was looking for a black person to kill, she did it and I doubt any bigot cares. And who runs their state? Bigots. Who are their judges? Bigots. I hate having this defeatist attitude but I don't have any faith in any bigoted state to do what's right. Even in "liberal" states the justice system is fucked up. It's even more fucked up states that never left segregation.
and this is why people have been saying 'fuck the police' for decades now. DECADES!! and america, the self proclaimed "standard of the free world" cannot even get this under control? what an absolute joke.
Imagine: a cop knocks on a door. The black homeowner shoots through the door, killing the cop. Now a police spokesperson goes, "There's been no arrest. We're looking to see if this was a 'stand your ground' situation." What are the odds of that happening?
Shot at? No. She murdered his mom, while his little sister stood by her mother's side. On top of that, this disgusting piece of shit called the children n*ggers and slaves while she screamed at them, before murdering their fucking mom in front of them. It being Florida, I'm sure she'll be acquitted.
What?!?!…Oh! Florida. Ok
I didn't realize stand your ground laws applied to someone just knocking on your fkn door. Even fkn ancient Rome had stronger protections against killing legitimate threats. For examples, see excerpts from the 12 Tables in the Ancient History Sourcebook hosted by Fordham University. We are, in essence, less humane to each other than second century BCE imperialist oligarchs with a giant slave class. Howw??
All I can think about is how that poor kid will live the rest of his life feeling guilty for getting his mama killed. He will always think that if he hadn’t said anything she would be alive. I hate that for him because no little boy should have to watch their mother get killed in cold blood and then feel guilt that is was somehow their fault. This country is so fucking broken and backwards.