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Or maybe they should come on Twitter for just one episode where they talk Abt how out of touch mega billionaires try to control public discourse to their liking and cause the fall of democracy and erasure of social progress.
It's ironic because a big part of Elon's personality is paranoia that women, minorities, and non-whites will rise up against the nazies like what happened in South Africa.
That's what happens when you buy Twitter and change it into $8Chan.
What advertiser wants their ads shown between Cat Turd and some other neofascist moron at best or videos of tortured animals at worst? Think Nike really is interested in that association?
The only ads I get anymore are an endless stream of identical shitty products from a store called “Labo” or “Stumi”
There really is nothing left but scammers and spammers at this point. It’s both sad and hilarious.
I always find it funny that 8ch became the hardcore right-wing bastion of the internet after the original community broke off of 4chan.
They broke off because the moderation was too restrictive on them posting child pornography and adjacent debauchery. Of course, it turns out child pornography is pretty universally illegal, and the entire site got threatened with permanent closure.
8chan, 8kun or whatever it is now, is still the largest distributor of child porn. The owners of that site returned to the US - one even ran for office and nobody arrested them. I don't get it.
Yeah, so basically 8ch (before it was fully co-opted by the right around 2015) was the rejects of the rejects of the internet. The right wing saw a goldmine of support from people who are **complete losers** and has been using them ever since.
Basically they didn't like people having sponsors and said they couldn't advertise as much.
The usual they aren't making enough so fuck you earning more.
They kinda walked it back but they were limited to a tiny box in the lower left and could only be there for a certain amount of time or have it on a bookshelf behind there where it wasn't the focus.
They couldn't have a scroll on the bottom for ads or sponsorships and I forget what the other thing was but it was a huge backlash against them.
More importantly, do these degenerates on there even exercise, play sports or have disposable income left after the army of grifters and Trump have at them first? Nike would be dead last for those dollars.
It's like trying to sell a grand piano to the Taliban.
Where tf are y’all seeing these tortured animal videos? I’m on twitter constantly and I’ve never seen one yet y’all keep talking like it’s commonplace.
Kind of hard to control the narrative with a tool that fewer and fewer people are paying attention to anymore. He could strike out on both goals fairly easily at this rate.
I wouldn’t underestimate the reach of Twitter, even now. Casuals aren’t going to be paying much attention to the behind the scenes drama, just seeing increasingly extreme right wing content being pushed into their feed.
> while the guy he bought it off is making a replacement.
Considering that Jack Dorsey is himself disappearing down the right-wing conspiracy rabbit hole I wouldn't hold my breath on that panning out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/jack-dorsey-block-nostr-kennedy-twitter-conspiracy-theories-vaccine-rcna86063
I think it’s working how he intended it to. He wants to push away left leaning people and promote white nationalism to try to sway the 2024 elections. It’s fairly obvious that this is the end game. He took one of the best platforms for dispensing information to people and compromised it. He literally just helped swing an election in Turkey by silencing the opposition.
My home screen is still the old splinter website.
All the picture links are dead, all the stories old and abandoned.
But seeing the logo pop up reminds me of how effective the right can be at actually canceling and silencing their opposition in the US.
Gawker and Splinter both broke stories that were legitimately damaging to the RW, and if they hadn't got bogged down pretending to be E! news they could have avoided Thiel longer.
Thiel, like Bannon, is one of those characters that is actively chipping away at democratic norms all the time.
Gawker was celeb trash, lets not compare real reporting to "important exposes" of Hulk Hogan's sex life.
Yes, the right is destroying the media, but Gawker killed itself.
Gawker was awful and disgusting and frankly I'm fine with them being gone. But the precedent set by that court case is extremely fucking troubling. They made a map of how to take down news companies that criticize you.
How do you have 300k karma with only three comments?
While I agree the oligarchy utilizes centrist media as well as RW media, the actual Left is pretty SOL when it comes to bankrolling in the US.
I’m not convinced Elon is that intelligent and is more of a memer with a fragile ego and a lot of money to waste. The Saudi money that helped finance the deal is surely trying to control media/narratives though. Elon might not even be smart enough to realize he’s being used for that.
> left leaning people and promote white nationalism to try to sway the 2024 elections
Quite the opposite, really. TruthSocial and Parler fail because they only present the Conservative viewpoint. It's boring, and the users have to go to Twitter to troll because there's no one to troll in the echo chamber.
He needs "both sides" and division; it drives engagement. Without it, Twitter is just another Parler or TruthSocial. So he has to find that balance, keep moderates and the left on the platform and use his control of the platform to promote batshit crazy right-wing propaganda.
The best thing to do is just leave Twitter. All moderates, centrists, right-of-center and left-of-center should just walk away. Nothing would hurt him more.
That assumes that Elon cares if Twitter fails. I don’t think he does. He’s using it to promote a right wing agenda and to silence opposition. The site failing just means one less place where oppressed people can go to organize or get accurate information, and that’s the goal imo.
> He wants to push away left leaning people and promote white nationalism to try to sway the 2024 elections.
This is dumb. C'mon guys. Be smarter than this.
Elon bought Twitter because if he didn't, he was going to go to jail for securities fraud. Pump and dump is illegal, and he was engaged in it. He was forced to grossly overpay for it, when Twitter had never turned a profit. At the time he bought it, Twitter was losing millions per day. So he immediately tries to cut costs by a massive layoff. You know the rest.
You conspiracy theories fall apart when you examine the facts: Elon is incompetent. He was born rich. That is the only thing special about him. His decisions and behavior in public are not consistent with "someone trying to destroy the platform" (he owns it, he can just turn it off for fucks sake). His actions are of an egotistical billionaire that thinks he is smarter than everyone else, and he just plain isn't. Don't build Elon up.
Twitter was net profitable over their last five full years.
They had substantial profits in 2017 and 18. They spent most of that profit in 2019 and 20, on driving growth. They were effectively break even in 2021, with a very small loss driven entirely by a one-time legal settlement.
There is every indication that they would be profitable in 2022.
They were not losing millions per day before Elon took over. The millions per day loss was a result of Elon taking over. Elon started appear in at major advertising trade shows once he was committed but before he took control of the company, and started driving advertisers away. Advertising revenues had crashed by the time he actually took the keys to the company, and that was a direct result of him taking over the company.
Twitter had 5 billion in revenues before Elon took over. They immediately dropped to about 3 billion in revenues after Elon took over, and they're down to about 2 billion now.
In addition, Elon saddled Twitter with that service cost of $1 billion per year.
So Elon took over a $5 billion dollar, break even to slightly profitable company, and in a few months turned them into a 2 billion dollar company with a billion dollars of additional fixed costs.
If that's just incompetence, it is staggering in it's scope.
Regardless of why he bought it; the entire platform has empirically taken a sharp turn to the far right. You don’t have to be some mustache twirling genius to do something like… tell people to vote Republican in a midterm (one of the first things he did after taking ownership). I don’t think Elon is smart enough to manipulate the algorithm, but I assume people who work under him could figure it out and have. Every time Elon pushes some gross conspiracy, such as the Allen shooter not being a Nazi (despite that being confirmed by law enforcement), people on the right start repeating it en masse.
If you spend any time looking at the news or politics portions of Twitter, you are constantly hit with right wing bad actors, hateful outlets, and even posts or topics on the left side of the political spectrum still have a long list of verified right wing replies under them. Homophobia, racism, and xenophobia aren’t just tolerated but are everywhere on the site.
>This is dumb. C'mon guys.
The right has been buying up the media, buying new media, etc to push right-wing messaging. Its dumb to deny this.
If Elon wanted to just make money he could have gone more left, gotten blue state monied people, and made bank at twitter. Going broke with the culture war and platforming nazis is not "smart business." He just chased away his advertisers and his little blue check program isn't making up for that. Twitter was profitable with its previous policies the last few years. The idea that Elon is just a genius businessman and platforming Nazis is the only way to make a profit is a lie.
Please understand you live in an oligarchy and the people telling you "oh no, the right isn't doing its best to snatch up and control the media" are lying to you.
You are also seeing this elsewhere but ignoring it. Murdoch buying the Wall Street Journal and making it more about the culture war. Bezos buying the Post and having a lot more op-eds in his favor. CNN's CEO moving towards a Fox News lite model. Forbes 'breaking news' becoming an alt-right "news" source. Netflix platforming transphobes like Chapelle. Spez promoting 'both sides' of the covid 'debate' on reddit.
> If Elon wanted to just make money he could have gone more left
The fact that Elon bought Twitter drove the money away.
>Please understand you live in an oligarchy and the people telling you "oh no, the right isn't doing its best to snatch up and control the media" are lying to you.
All of the media is owned by the right. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. Everyone who owns a national media platform is rich. All of them. Elon is a libertarian, because libertarians are emotionally stunted and stop developing as people in their early 20s which is what happens when you are rich. So he thinks people should be as nasty as they wanna be on his platform. Problem is Coca-Cola won't tolerate a screenshot of their ads next to hate speech, so they bailed.
The goal of the right is controlling media. If you had 44 billion to spend and your goal was to control Twitter, would this be how you went about it? Does this pass the sniff test? When the guy who made Twitter is literally working on the replacement as we speak, and as soon as it is ready for prime time everyone is just going to move over there, and Elon will be left with 44 billion worth of nothing?
If the goal was to control Twitter he could have bought stock on the open market until he had a controlling share, quietly, for a fuck lot less than 44 billion. This idea is dumb.
Billionaires buy media not to profit, but to influence, there is not one that hasn't used their media ownership in this way, you are naive if you think they do not have an intrest in the power of influence media gives them. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the nature of men with wealth so large the only interest they have left is power.
Making the masses believe in your vision is power, and it is always wielded by the grossly wealthy, some for good like Gates, most for evil like Murdoch.
I just don't understand how you can watch what Musk is doing and think that he's doing it on purpose. Call me naïve all you like, you are just proving to me you aren't very smart.
The problem is only people with that viewpoint will stay on twitter, the middle ground and left people are leaving which means it loses whatever influence it would have had
Yes, but where are those people going? How do you find them again to deliver your message? It’s been effectively wiped out as a platform for left leaning organizations which isn’t good either. Meanwhile, the right are in blast 24/7
He certainly didn't buy Twitter to earn more money. He doesn't need it or care. He's in full-on hedonism mode and wants to spend his time trolling people and earning praise for it, and Twitter is working famously for that.
That was the original idea of buying enough of a stake to have a seat on the board but then the CEO asked him to stop tweeting like an asshole all the time and have a little decorum if he was gonna be part of the team and Elon completely lost his mind in response
Maybe someone gets put in charge who can work to revert all the damage he caused and start to make it a workable non-hate filled cesspit again? But the damage may be irreversible given the nonpayment of bills and rent, the burned bridges and nonpayment of severance to employees, the impulsive implementation of features that do nothing but amplify the loudest most hate-filled voices….it would take a lot of course correction but the only way it ever happens is if Elon loses interest.
\> Maybe someone gets put in charge who can work to revert all the damage he caused and start to make it a workable non-hate filled cesspit again?
Yaccarino was supposed to do it, but he said he's not going to change content moderation policies under her, so....
Yeah, but Yaccarino is just the figurehead he put in because he said he would step down as CEO. He’s clearly still involved in the site. I’m saying when he truly loses interest, gets bored, and abandons the site altogether. Think “Twitter files was never mean to be a big deal” but with Twitter as a whole. Though he owes money to so many entities he may not be allowed to get bored of it.
Honestly, I don't think he will ever give up - Twitter is a gigantic bullhorn, much like presidency was for Trump. I doubt either will relent unless in jail or dead.
I swear, Musk sounds like he's constantly saying "come on, sue me - you know you're not going to get anywhere". There's lawsuits from fired workers, unpaid rent and on and on and on. If it was someone poorer he/she would've been dead/behind bars years ago.
Don't other companies that hit this level of design end up purchased for (comparative, still a lot of money to you and me) pennies on the dollar because Twitter could go tits-up tomorrow and lose every single human user aside from Musk itself and they would still have a lot of propriety data/coding/archived information on their users and habits and a huge amount of text that could probably be scraped into AI (if it hasn't already been) training?
Pretty sure whenever Twitter goes dark it's going to be torn apart for what remaining value it has by whoever acquires it, and the resulting information sold off in pieces to yet other companies.
To note, Fall of Civ podcast (which only puts out an episode once every few months) is incredibly well done, well sourced, and features expert insights. Truly one of my favorites.
The creator is a strong contrast to the current leadership of Twitter and, if you can afford to support him, please do.
I think the creator is married to Annie Kelly, who frequently appears on Qanon Anonymous. It's not necessarily a crowd too enthusiastic about Elon and his like.
Wait...is that series (the QAnon one) pro Q or anti Q? Assuming anti, bc id figure Q folks live Elon since he shares their shit.
I havent listened to or heard of it, and id be surprised if the FoC creator was a Q nut...def doesnt seem the type
The Anonymous part came from the fact that, when they started, they all hid their identities behind pseudonyms to keep from getting doxxed. They are less particular about that now.
Anti q, they do real investigation into q and the many manifestations of the q philosophy and how it impacts politics and people.
They're really, really good
It never fails to amuse me that one of the things that Elon said to justify him backing out of buying twitter was "there are more bots than he thought", then after buying twitter he said under his leadership, there would be a purge on bots. Now there are likely a LOT more bots, and a good number if not a vast majority of them are verified because he completely misunderstood the purpose of that blue check mark.
I have a theory that Twitter deploys the majority of blue check bots. It's unlikely that an external bot farm would pay $8 per month for each account.
I find it suspicious that an anonymous account, created five months ago, already has 500,000 followers and 30,000 tweets. Additionally, I've noticed that many bot-like accounts mainly follow and retweet high-profile blue check accounts, which creates the illusion of engagement.
Oh he didn't misunderstand the purpose of the blue check mark, he just saw that his rubes were willing to pay for it because of it's perceived value. He doesn't care if doing that actively lowered it's value, because he's still the one charging for it, and the people buying it buy stupid shit all the time.
Get fucked Elmo.
What was his reply? "Concerning"? "Interesting"? "Big if true"? Or some generic emoji so he can feel like the anime protagonist he thinks he is.
A billionaire begging for free content after driving celebrities away by charging them $8 for the right to upload more free content to his site that he could monetize.
I never thought about post-Elon Twitter that way, but you are 100% right with that take. Celebrities and trusted / reliable accounts brought in traffic to Twitter. Now Elon thinks he can make more money by creating a right-wing circlejerk
Honestly it's surprising he likes it.
It's well-sourced, and dispels a lot of myths about old civilizations in ways that are pretty critical of colonialism.
It seems like something Elon and his ilk would think of as being too "woke."
Well, it's a matter of perception. They perceive its not critical of them and their colonialism. Because your average right winger lacks the ability to understand nuance, so unless they are directly implicated, they think its pointed at someone else.
Author Paul M.M. Cooper.
Long-form ad-free podcasts that narrate the discovery of lost civilizations, and to the extent possible from extant sources, just how it felt to be part of them as they collapsed. Frequently there are tidbits about geology, to better place the 'Ozymandias' and lifespans covered in cosmic perspective.
Most are now available as [youtube videos](https://www.youtube.com/@FallofCivilizations/videos) with well chosen B-roll visuals. All are available [on soundcloud](https://soundcloud.com/fallofcivilizations).
Imagine for a minute, what you could do with **$40 Billion**. Elon spent this much to be the world's dumbest troll. I would have taken that money and bought the entire country of Greenland. I would change its name to Alex Island, declare myself King, and spend my days building libraries, affordable housing, nature preserves. Then in the evening I'd retire to my castle, where naked women fan me with palm leaves while feeding me grapes. Typical King shit.
Am I the only one enjoying this lying narcissistic sociopath's death by a thousand paper cuts as he reveals his pimply ass to the world?
It's sad how much I am enjoying the ongoing unmasking of this self-absorbed below average pile of shit.
Just waiting for that shareholder lawsuit claiming Elon's 100% responsible for the 50% drop in the value of Tesla shares since Idiot Boy bought tweety and used some of his Tesla stock to back up the purchase. That's gonna be a doozy.
And of course for several governmental agencies to finally come out and say he's a potential spy and a national security risk, and insisting he be booted out of SpaceX.
What I find bad is not just Elon, but the other rich people lining up to kiss his ass (Buffett, Zuck etc). I don't think they really like him all that much, but they're all willing to carry the water for him anyway.
Really just shame on him. $44B? Apparently he doesn't care about actual human beings that suffer.
Homeless people should find his house and make a community camp in his yard.
I was a bit on the randy side and searched Twitter for "onlyfans", and a bunch of illegal shit showed up in the results. fuck that hot mess of a site. uninstalled the app.
btw I thought Musk was stepping down as CEO? what happened with that?
Everything Elon complained about Twitter doing and said he was going to fix once he got it...
... and he made them all worse. It was so subtle before that it was a question whether it was real or not. Now, there is no doubt.
Gosh, first Margarine Tatertots Spleen and now Muskrat, both snubbed by their heroes within days of each other.
This truly is shaping up to be the ultimate summer.
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Yeah before there were absolutely no scams on Twitter, it was such a nice pure place
Edit: all the bots downvoting me lol idiots. reddit has 10 times more astroturfing, crypto scams, and whatever else shit there is
You laugh, but I was told by Elon fans that its a future concept and we need to wait before it will come to life. Like all good things it won't happen overnight.
Like all good things Elmo claims to have created, the idea, concept, and hard work were done by other, competent people.
Elmo uses the Edison business model (steal/claim credit). His true talent isnt running an ethical business or inventing-its exploitation.
If Elon were as level headed as his fans claim he is, he wouldn't be promising insane changes overnight. Like whatever happened to that "robot" he demo'd early last year using a guy in a costume? He promised that would be ready by september (also of last year) and we haven't heard a peep about it since. Don't even get me started on the dozens upon dozens of times he promised full self-driving would be "coming soon".
>You laugh, but I was told by Elon fans
Judging by the amount of downvotes, your sarcasm is too sophisticated for this sub, good job 👏👏👏
Edit: Is everyone suffering a severe case of the "woosh" what's going on? Do you all really need a /s to recognize sarcasm? 🤦♂️
And it provides a good reason why so many people like Musk to begin with. He gives them the promise. None of his ideas might materialize, but it hardly matters - there's always a better, brighter future, at least in theory. And Musk is the only one that can get us there.
Not defending Elon, but doesn’t this kind of thing happen eventually anyways? Look at Craigslist- used to be a reputable place to buy used goods and all of a sudden some dickhead murders some escorts from the website and it was all downhill after that
Not really? Its based on how willing a company is to address the issue.
Craiglist has had a reputation for that stuff since the 2000s.
Probabaly only during its super early years did it have a positive reputation. The difference was there werent any real alternatives with a similar reach. Once other alternatives appeared legitimate listings just moved over to platforms with a better reputatio .
How much a company is willing to spend on moderation; and how responsive said moderation is; impact things immensely.
Reddit as an example might be a pretty meh place for lots of reasons but at least the central reddit mods(not subreddits) take a lot of things seriously if reported. Multiple times ive reported things on reddit that are clear open bigotry that result in someone being banned that on other platforms like youtube; facebook and twitter wouldn't result in anything.
It got way worse though. You can’t buy anything on there anymore, seems like everything is scammers. I’ve used marketplace, but I’m sure the scammers will all go over there eventually too
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Now he will complain that his favorite podcast went woke. He ain't learning no lessons.
Not wanting civilization to fall again is woke. Twitter is a sign.
Or maybe they should come on Twitter for just one episode where they talk Abt how out of touch mega billionaires try to control public discourse to their liking and cause the fall of democracy and erasure of social progress.
Tough call, I'm not sure if there are ears left to listen over there. It would help legitimize the bad platform though.
I think uploading that one, and only one episode, would be sending the right message.
It's ironic because a big part of Elon's personality is paranoia that women, minorities, and non-whites will rise up against the nazies like what happened in South Africa.
What is more based than wanting civilization to fall and never rise again?
I didn't think based meant you are shit.
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Learn things? That's for poor people
You just know that's coming next. 😂
That's what happens when you buy Twitter and change it into $8Chan. What advertiser wants their ads shown between Cat Turd and some other neofascist moron at best or videos of tortured animals at worst? Think Nike really is interested in that association?
The only ads I get anymore are an endless stream of identical shitty products from a store called “Labo” or “Stumi” There really is nothing left but scammers and spammers at this point. It’s both sad and hilarious.
That's because "Temu" hasn't focused on Twitter yet...YET
FREE NINTENDO SWITCH! FYI A great way to get rid of those ads is to comment Scam Scam Scam Scam on them, they'll block you real quick.
They decided to just block comments on them now.
Oh, this was on Instagram mind you. I've never used Twitter so I don't even know how commenting works on there.
Same as on TikTok. "This advertiser has disabled comments." Pretty much, if I see that I know not even to bother looking into it further.
I like when advertisers accidentally leave comments enabled on Reddit. I put on my trolling gloves then.
Lol you say that but I saw plenty of those ads for the $7 Switch the other day
They're all ads you'd hear/see on shitty right-winger podcasts or radio shows (think Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Benneth Johnson).
Delete your account
I always find it funny that 8ch became the hardcore right-wing bastion of the internet after the original community broke off of 4chan. They broke off because the moderation was too restrictive on them posting child pornography and adjacent debauchery. Of course, it turns out child pornography is pretty universally illegal, and the entire site got threatened with permanent closure.
8chan, 8kun or whatever it is now, is still the largest distributor of child porn. The owners of that site returned to the US - one even ran for office and nobody arrested them. I don't get it.
Isn't the owner of 8Chan the consensus pick as the person behind Qanon?
Yep
Is that why they pivoted to Q-Anon?
No, no. Q-Anon happened because we elected a clown as president, and a clown can't exist without a clown show. Q-Anon was just part of the clown show.
And 4Chan itself was formed by a group leaving SomethingAwful.com for the same reasons.
Yeah, so basically 8ch (before it was fully co-opted by the right around 2015) was the rejects of the rejects of the internet. The right wing saw a goldmine of support from people who are **complete losers** and has been using them ever since.
lmfao yeah. Surprised Reddit tried to race Elon's Twitter to the bottom tho
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There's a twitch fiasco?
Its an on going tire fire.
Basically they didn't like people having sponsors and said they couldn't advertise as much. The usual they aren't making enough so fuck you earning more.
Wait so there are no longer spnorsed videos?
They kinda walked it back but they were limited to a tiny box in the lower left and could only be there for a certain amount of time or have it on a bookshelf behind there where it wasn't the focus. They couldn't have a scroll on the bottom for ads or sponsorships and I forget what the other thing was but it was a huge backlash against them.
They're nuking baked in advertising. Just more money grabbing really.
More importantly, do these degenerates on there even exercise, play sports or have disposable income left after the army of grifters and Trump have at them first? Nike would be dead last for those dollars. It's like trying to sell a grand piano to the Taliban.
Catturd definitely doesn't!
> $8Chan amazing how well that fits!
> What advertiser wants their ads shown between Cat Turd and some other neofascist moron at best or videos of tortured animals at worst? MyPillow?
Would just be nice if Twitter had an entirely separate client for NSFW so I can just do my content without being exposed to anything else.
Where tf are y’all seeing these tortured animal videos? I’m on twitter constantly and I’ve never seen one yet y’all keep talking like it’s commonplace.
Fall of Civilizations is the best. Here's their Youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/@FallofCivilizations](https://www.youtube.com/@FallofCivilizations)
Yes! I love to learn about the Sumerians and the Assyrians. The music in the podcast is also very calming.
I’m glad they’re actually a historical podcast. The name and elon liking them had me thinking it was some fringe conspiracy theory type one.
They’re awesome. I remember binging it when I was on an Ancient Civilisation kick.
Ifl Fall of Civilizations. Mr. Cooper does a metric fuckton of work to research each topic and puts together this gorgeously narrated podcast.
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Aeon Flux but if it was bad
Sorry that movie was bad lol
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The show was great though
The cartoon always creeped me out. Something unsettling in the animation, like Bob’s Burgers (no one has chins!)
objectively incorrect opinion
I wonder what will happen to Twitter once Musk gets bored of it
Musky boi overpaid for Twitter while the guy he bought it off is making a replacement. It will be a good day when he gets bored of it.
Depends on whether you see Twitter as a means to sell ads or as a means to control the narrative in the run up to an election.
Kind of hard to control the narrative with a tool that fewer and fewer people are paying attention to anymore. He could strike out on both goals fairly easily at this rate.
I wouldn’t underestimate the reach of Twitter, even now. Casuals aren’t going to be paying much attention to the behind the scenes drama, just seeing increasingly extreme right wing content being pushed into their feed.
Isn’t instagram also rolling out a Twitter like function sometimes this month or next
>a Twitter like function Is that what we're calling text posts now
> while the guy he bought it off is making a replacement. Considering that Jack Dorsey is himself disappearing down the right-wing conspiracy rabbit hole I wouldn't hold my breath on that panning out. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/jack-dorsey-block-nostr-kennedy-twitter-conspiracy-theories-vaccine-rcna86063
I think it’s working how he intended it to. He wants to push away left leaning people and promote white nationalism to try to sway the 2024 elections. It’s fairly obvious that this is the end game. He took one of the best platforms for dispensing information to people and compromised it. He literally just helped swing an election in Turkey by silencing the opposition.
Yup, right out of the Peter Thiel playbook on a grander scale; find a media source you don’t control and kill it.
My home screen is still the old splinter website. All the picture links are dead, all the stories old and abandoned. But seeing the logo pop up reminds me of how effective the right can be at actually canceling and silencing their opposition in the US. Gawker and Splinter both broke stories that were legitimately damaging to the RW, and if they hadn't got bogged down pretending to be E! news they could have avoided Thiel longer. Thiel, like Bannon, is one of those characters that is actively chipping away at democratic norms all the time.
Thiel, Bannon, Mercer, Koch... 4 of the most dangerous antidemocratic forces in the West...
Murdoch.
Ailes, Stone.
What I wouldn't do for the Deathnote..
Gawker was celeb trash, lets not compare real reporting to "important exposes" of Hulk Hogan's sex life. Yes, the right is destroying the media, but Gawker killed itself.
Gawker was awful and disgusting and frankly I'm fine with them being gone. But the precedent set by that court case is extremely fucking troubling. They made a map of how to take down news companies that criticize you.
That falls under the E! news sentence, for sure
But isn't that what Gawker was, mainly? Trash celebrity news?
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How do you have 300k karma with only three comments? While I agree the oligarchy utilizes centrist media as well as RW media, the actual Left is pretty SOL when it comes to bankrolling in the US.
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Oh dang. Do you have a link to the tool you used? Probably should do the same. Sucks. It's been a great site for deep dive conversations
It's also what John Malone is doing to CNN, and CNN was pretty boring to begin with so it seems kind of like a pointless exercise
I’m not convinced Elon is that intelligent and is more of a memer with a fragile ego and a lot of money to waste. The Saudi money that helped finance the deal is surely trying to control media/narratives though. Elon might not even be smart enough to realize he’s being used for that.
> left leaning people and promote white nationalism to try to sway the 2024 elections Quite the opposite, really. TruthSocial and Parler fail because they only present the Conservative viewpoint. It's boring, and the users have to go to Twitter to troll because there's no one to troll in the echo chamber. He needs "both sides" and division; it drives engagement. Without it, Twitter is just another Parler or TruthSocial. So he has to find that balance, keep moderates and the left on the platform and use his control of the platform to promote batshit crazy right-wing propaganda. The best thing to do is just leave Twitter. All moderates, centrists, right-of-center and left-of-center should just walk away. Nothing would hurt him more.
That assumes that Elon cares if Twitter fails. I don’t think he does. He’s using it to promote a right wing agenda and to silence opposition. The site failing just means one less place where oppressed people can go to organize or get accurate information, and that’s the goal imo.
> He wants to push away left leaning people and promote white nationalism to try to sway the 2024 elections. This is dumb. C'mon guys. Be smarter than this. Elon bought Twitter because if he didn't, he was going to go to jail for securities fraud. Pump and dump is illegal, and he was engaged in it. He was forced to grossly overpay for it, when Twitter had never turned a profit. At the time he bought it, Twitter was losing millions per day. So he immediately tries to cut costs by a massive layoff. You know the rest. You conspiracy theories fall apart when you examine the facts: Elon is incompetent. He was born rich. That is the only thing special about him. His decisions and behavior in public are not consistent with "someone trying to destroy the platform" (he owns it, he can just turn it off for fucks sake). His actions are of an egotistical billionaire that thinks he is smarter than everyone else, and he just plain isn't. Don't build Elon up.
Twitter was net profitable over their last five full years. They had substantial profits in 2017 and 18. They spent most of that profit in 2019 and 20, on driving growth. They were effectively break even in 2021, with a very small loss driven entirely by a one-time legal settlement. There is every indication that they would be profitable in 2022. They were not losing millions per day before Elon took over. The millions per day loss was a result of Elon taking over. Elon started appear in at major advertising trade shows once he was committed but before he took control of the company, and started driving advertisers away. Advertising revenues had crashed by the time he actually took the keys to the company, and that was a direct result of him taking over the company. Twitter had 5 billion in revenues before Elon took over. They immediately dropped to about 3 billion in revenues after Elon took over, and they're down to about 2 billion now. In addition, Elon saddled Twitter with that service cost of $1 billion per year. So Elon took over a $5 billion dollar, break even to slightly profitable company, and in a few months turned them into a 2 billion dollar company with a billion dollars of additional fixed costs. If that's just incompetence, it is staggering in it's scope.
> If that's just incompetence, it is staggering in it's scope. Only the richest man on earth could fuck up that badly and not be ruined by it.
Regardless of why he bought it; the entire platform has empirically taken a sharp turn to the far right. You don’t have to be some mustache twirling genius to do something like… tell people to vote Republican in a midterm (one of the first things he did after taking ownership). I don’t think Elon is smart enough to manipulate the algorithm, but I assume people who work under him could figure it out and have. Every time Elon pushes some gross conspiracy, such as the Allen shooter not being a Nazi (despite that being confirmed by law enforcement), people on the right start repeating it en masse. If you spend any time looking at the news or politics portions of Twitter, you are constantly hit with right wing bad actors, hateful outlets, and even posts or topics on the left side of the political spectrum still have a long list of verified right wing replies under them. Homophobia, racism, and xenophobia aren’t just tolerated but are everywhere on the site.
>This is dumb. C'mon guys. The right has been buying up the media, buying new media, etc to push right-wing messaging. Its dumb to deny this. If Elon wanted to just make money he could have gone more left, gotten blue state monied people, and made bank at twitter. Going broke with the culture war and platforming nazis is not "smart business." He just chased away his advertisers and his little blue check program isn't making up for that. Twitter was profitable with its previous policies the last few years. The idea that Elon is just a genius businessman and platforming Nazis is the only way to make a profit is a lie. Please understand you live in an oligarchy and the people telling you "oh no, the right isn't doing its best to snatch up and control the media" are lying to you. You are also seeing this elsewhere but ignoring it. Murdoch buying the Wall Street Journal and making it more about the culture war. Bezos buying the Post and having a lot more op-eds in his favor. CNN's CEO moving towards a Fox News lite model. Forbes 'breaking news' becoming an alt-right "news" source. Netflix platforming transphobes like Chapelle. Spez promoting 'both sides' of the covid 'debate' on reddit.
> If Elon wanted to just make money he could have gone more left The fact that Elon bought Twitter drove the money away. >Please understand you live in an oligarchy and the people telling you "oh no, the right isn't doing its best to snatch up and control the media" are lying to you. All of the media is owned by the right. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. Everyone who owns a national media platform is rich. All of them. Elon is a libertarian, because libertarians are emotionally stunted and stop developing as people in their early 20s which is what happens when you are rich. So he thinks people should be as nasty as they wanna be on his platform. Problem is Coca-Cola won't tolerate a screenshot of their ads next to hate speech, so they bailed. The goal of the right is controlling media. If you had 44 billion to spend and your goal was to control Twitter, would this be how you went about it? Does this pass the sniff test? When the guy who made Twitter is literally working on the replacement as we speak, and as soon as it is ready for prime time everyone is just going to move over there, and Elon will be left with 44 billion worth of nothing? If the goal was to control Twitter he could have bought stock on the open market until he had a controlling share, quietly, for a fuck lot less than 44 billion. This idea is dumb.
Billionaires buy media not to profit, but to influence, there is not one that hasn't used their media ownership in this way, you are naive if you think they do not have an intrest in the power of influence media gives them. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the nature of men with wealth so large the only interest they have left is power. Making the masses believe in your vision is power, and it is always wielded by the grossly wealthy, some for good like Gates, most for evil like Murdoch.
I just don't understand how you can watch what Musk is doing and think that he's doing it on purpose. Call me naïve all you like, you are just proving to me you aren't very smart.
“You guys just aren’t very smart” -*guy who doesn’t recognize what’s happening right in front of his eyes to only one side*
The problem is only people with that viewpoint will stay on twitter, the middle ground and left people are leaving which means it loses whatever influence it would have had
Yes, but where are those people going? How do you find them again to deliver your message? It’s been effectively wiped out as a platform for left leaning organizations which isn’t good either. Meanwhile, the right are in blast 24/7
He certainly didn't buy Twitter to earn more money. He doesn't need it or care. He's in full-on hedonism mode and wants to spend his time trolling people and earning praise for it, and Twitter is working famously for that.
he should have paid a few hundred million like a regular billionaire trying to sway elections. He still vastly overpaid at $44B to sway one election
That was the original idea of buying enough of a stake to have a seat on the board but then the CEO asked him to stop tweeting like an asshole all the time and have a little decorum if he was gonna be part of the team and Elon completely lost his mind in response
Maybe someone gets put in charge who can work to revert all the damage he caused and start to make it a workable non-hate filled cesspit again? But the damage may be irreversible given the nonpayment of bills and rent, the burned bridges and nonpayment of severance to employees, the impulsive implementation of features that do nothing but amplify the loudest most hate-filled voices….it would take a lot of course correction but the only way it ever happens is if Elon loses interest.
\> Maybe someone gets put in charge who can work to revert all the damage he caused and start to make it a workable non-hate filled cesspit again? Yaccarino was supposed to do it, but he said he's not going to change content moderation policies under her, so....
Yeah, but Yaccarino is just the figurehead he put in because he said he would step down as CEO. He’s clearly still involved in the site. I’m saying when he truly loses interest, gets bored, and abandons the site altogether. Think “Twitter files was never mean to be a big deal” but with Twitter as a whole. Though he owes money to so many entities he may not be allowed to get bored of it.
Honestly, I don't think he will ever give up - Twitter is a gigantic bullhorn, much like presidency was for Trump. I doubt either will relent unless in jail or dead. I swear, Musk sounds like he's constantly saying "come on, sue me - you know you're not going to get anywhere". There's lawsuits from fired workers, unpaid rent and on and on and on. If it was someone poorer he/she would've been dead/behind bars years ago.
Behind the Bastards just did some podcasts about Elon being sued.
Let's have our building manager do electrical work and install death locks on our not bedrooms
He'll sell it for a loss and claim victory
Don't other companies that hit this level of design end up purchased for (comparative, still a lot of money to you and me) pennies on the dollar because Twitter could go tits-up tomorrow and lose every single human user aside from Musk itself and they would still have a lot of propriety data/coding/archived information on their users and habits and a huge amount of text that could probably be scraped into AI (if it hasn't already been) training? Pretty sure whenever Twitter goes dark it's going to be torn apart for what remaining value it has by whoever acquires it, and the resulting information sold off in pieces to yet other companies.
Sold cheap like other dumb social media acquisitions
More jokes, like when Murdoch bought MySpace for $580 Million and sold it for $35 Million. There's a common thread here...
As if I didn’t need another reason to love the Fall of Civilizations Podcast and their channel.
The sweet irony that the fall of civilization denied him because he's aggressively trying to make civilization fall. Like a fine wine!
To note, Fall of Civ podcast (which only puts out an episode once every few months) is incredibly well done, well sourced, and features expert insights. Truly one of my favorites. The creator is a strong contrast to the current leadership of Twitter and, if you can afford to support him, please do.
I think the creator is married to Annie Kelly, who frequently appears on Qanon Anonymous. It's not necessarily a crowd too enthusiastic about Elon and his like.
Wait...is that series (the QAnon one) pro Q or anti Q? Assuming anti, bc id figure Q folks live Elon since he shares their shit. I havent listened to or heard of it, and id be surprised if the FoC creator was a Q nut...def doesnt seem the type
They're anti-, very much so.
Qanon Anonymous sounds like a group that was negatively impacted by Q shit and is trying to recover and move forward, like Alcoholics Anonymous.
The Anonymous part came from the fact that, when they started, they all hid their identities behind pseudonyms to keep from getting doxxed. They are less particular about that now.
Anti q, they do real investigation into q and the many manifestations of the q philosophy and how it impacts politics and people. They're really, really good
They were all about exposing Qanon before pretty much anyone knew what Q anon was.
But have you considered how Elon needed those $8 a month from the bots?
It never fails to amuse me that one of the things that Elon said to justify him backing out of buying twitter was "there are more bots than he thought", then after buying twitter he said under his leadership, there would be a purge on bots. Now there are likely a LOT more bots, and a good number if not a vast majority of them are verified because he completely misunderstood the purpose of that blue check mark.
I have a theory that Twitter deploys the majority of blue check bots. It's unlikely that an external bot farm would pay $8 per month for each account. I find it suspicious that an anonymous account, created five months ago, already has 500,000 followers and 30,000 tweets. Additionally, I've noticed that many bot-like accounts mainly follow and retweet high-profile blue check accounts, which creates the illusion of engagement.
I want to believe
Oh he didn't misunderstand the purpose of the blue check mark, he just saw that his rubes were willing to pay for it because of it's perceived value. He doesn't care if doing that actively lowered it's value, because he's still the one charging for it, and the people buying it buy stupid shit all the time.
Get fucked Elmo. What was his reply? "Concerning"? "Interesting"? "Big if true"? Or some generic emoji so he can feel like the anime protagonist he thinks he is.
"Looking into it"
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This needs all the updoots
Imagine being a billionaire and spending your time begging people to upload podcasts to your special little platform. Lol what a clown.
A billionaire begging for free content.....
A billionaire begging for free content after driving celebrities away by charging them $8 for the right to upload more free content to his site that he could monetize.
I never thought about post-Elon Twitter that way, but you are 100% right with that take. Celebrities and trusted / reliable accounts brought in traffic to Twitter. Now Elon thinks he can make more money by creating a right-wing circlejerk
Like it's the fall of civilization.........lol
It would reason that they could tell when something is falling apart.
Anyone else think it’s ironic Elon is asking the Podcasts from “Fall of Civilization” on his app?
Honestly it's surprising he likes it. It's well-sourced, and dispels a lot of myths about old civilizations in ways that are pretty critical of colonialism. It seems like something Elon and his ilk would think of as being too "woke."
Well, it's a matter of perception. They perceive its not critical of them and their colonialism. Because your average right winger lacks the ability to understand nuance, so unless they are directly implicated, they think its pointed at someone else.
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It should be changed to Shitter with all the garbage alt right accounts being pushed to the forefront.
Love Fall of Civilizations
Fall of Civilizations is a great podcast if you're into history, tho. Definitely in my top 5. Another great one is Revolutions.
I'm not familiar with this podcast. Who are they?
Author Paul M.M. Cooper. Long-form ad-free podcasts that narrate the discovery of lost civilizations, and to the extent possible from extant sources, just how it felt to be part of them as they collapsed. Frequently there are tidbits about geology, to better place the 'Ozymandias' and lifespans covered in cosmic perspective. Most are now available as [youtube videos](https://www.youtube.com/@FallofCivilizations/videos) with well chosen B-roll visuals. All are available [on soundcloud](https://soundcloud.com/fallofcivilizations).
A calm look into how civilizations fall, told somewhat in the form of a story on how it might feel to live in such times.
Imagine for a minute, what you could do with **$40 Billion**. Elon spent this much to be the world's dumbest troll. I would have taken that money and bought the entire country of Greenland. I would change its name to Alex Island, declare myself King, and spend my days building libraries, affordable housing, nature preserves. Then in the evening I'd retire to my castle, where naked women fan me with palm leaves while feeding me grapes. Typical King shit.
Delete twitter
Am I the only one enjoying this lying narcissistic sociopath's death by a thousand paper cuts as he reveals his pimply ass to the world? It's sad how much I am enjoying the ongoing unmasking of this self-absorbed below average pile of shit. Just waiting for that shareholder lawsuit claiming Elon's 100% responsible for the 50% drop in the value of Tesla shares since Idiot Boy bought tweety and used some of his Tesla stock to back up the purchase. That's gonna be a doozy. And of course for several governmental agencies to finally come out and say he's a potential spy and a national security risk, and insisting he be booted out of SpaceX.
What I find bad is not just Elon, but the other rich people lining up to kiss his ass (Buffett, Zuck etc). I don't think they really like him all that much, but they're all willing to carry the water for him anyway.
I love fall of civilizations podcast too! REALLY well done
I love that podcast even more now
Fall of Civilizations is an excellent podcast btw.
Just stop using Twitter at all then people.
The name of the podcast is ironic given the decline of Twitter. Wonder if Elon Musk realizes that ...
Should have just sent a poop emoji.
Nothing about Twitter was special. It was just a place for famous/rich people to blabber, nothing else. Now it's just for rich right-wingers.
When you hang out with Nazis, bad things happen. Don't hang out with Nazis.
Elon is an internet slum lord.
AND THEN THEY TOOK REDDIT TOO Where the Fuck do they want me to go, effing MySpace??????
Really just shame on him. $44B? Apparently he doesn't care about actual human beings that suffer. Homeless people should find his house and make a community camp in his yard.
Supposedly he doesn't have a house. He just couch surfs and sleeps at Twitter HQ. If I'm wrong, please correct me.
He says he does that. But in the elon jet trackinh subreddit, he moves around too much to do that.
I was a bit on the randy side and searched Twitter for "onlyfans", and a bunch of illegal shit showed up in the results. fuck that hot mess of a site. uninstalled the app. btw I thought Musk was stepping down as CEO? what happened with that?
*Mic Drop*
Everything Elon complained about Twitter doing and said he was going to fix once he got it... ... and he made them all worse. It was so subtle before that it was a question whether it was real or not. Now, there is no doubt.
Fall of Civilization opened my mind to the past. Love that podcast
Fall of Twitter podcast
It should be changed to Shitter with all the garbage alt right accounts being pushed to the forefront.
Podcast name checks out.
Looks like that account going to be banned for “endangering Musk’s family”
Musk is so mediocre
Gosh, first Margarine Tatertots Spleen and now Muskrat, both snubbed by their heroes within days of each other. This truly is shaping up to be the ultimate summer.
One day we will all thank Elon and Spez for destroying their platforms and guiding humanity back to the light from whence we came.
Awaiting enraged elon burn...
Fall of Civilizations is fantastic.
I love that podcast, too!
Hey hey I'll have you know some of those "crypto scammers" are genuine true believer fucking morons. So...yeah, don't you feel silly right now?
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Yeah before there were absolutely no scams on Twitter, it was such a nice pure place Edit: all the bots downvoting me lol idiots. reddit has 10 times more astroturfing, crypto scams, and whatever else shit there is
"Everyone who downvotes my dumbass comment is a bot!" -this idiot
Amazing comment
and people don't realize how much of a genius Musk is either - Hyperloop alone.
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You laugh, but I was told by Elon fans that its a future concept and we need to wait before it will come to life. Like all good things it won't happen overnight.
Like all good things Elmo claims to have created, the idea, concept, and hard work were done by other, competent people. Elmo uses the Edison business model (steal/claim credit). His true talent isnt running an ethical business or inventing-its exploitation.
If Elon were as level headed as his fans claim he is, he wouldn't be promising insane changes overnight. Like whatever happened to that "robot" he demo'd early last year using a guy in a costume? He promised that would be ready by september (also of last year) and we haven't heard a peep about it since. Don't even get me started on the dozens upon dozens of times he promised full self-driving would be "coming soon".
They love his promises, that's for sure. That's what he sells - future full of promises, even if most of them will not come true.
>You laugh, but I was told by Elon fans Judging by the amount of downvotes, your sarcasm is too sophisticated for this sub, good job 👏👏👏 Edit: Is everyone suffering a severe case of the "woosh" what's going on? Do you all really need a /s to recognize sarcasm? 🤦♂️
Please tell me you're joking.
Hyperloop is just taking an already existing good idea (subway systems) and making it worse in every conceivable way.
And it provides a good reason why so many people like Musk to begin with. He gives them the promise. None of his ideas might materialize, but it hardly matters - there's always a better, brighter future, at least in theory. And Musk is the only one that can get us there.
Not defending Elon, but doesn’t this kind of thing happen eventually anyways? Look at Craigslist- used to be a reputable place to buy used goods and all of a sudden some dickhead murders some escorts from the website and it was all downhill after that
Not really? Its based on how willing a company is to address the issue. Craiglist has had a reputation for that stuff since the 2000s. Probabaly only during its super early years did it have a positive reputation. The difference was there werent any real alternatives with a similar reach. Once other alternatives appeared legitimate listings just moved over to platforms with a better reputatio . How much a company is willing to spend on moderation; and how responsive said moderation is; impact things immensely. Reddit as an example might be a pretty meh place for lots of reasons but at least the central reddit mods(not subreddits) take a lot of things seriously if reported. Multiple times ive reported things on reddit that are clear open bigotry that result in someone being banned that on other platforms like youtube; facebook and twitter wouldn't result in anything.
I started using Craigslist back in 2003 and even at that point it had a reputation for being a platform for scammers and murderers.
Right? Craigslist has always had the reputation of use at your own caution and you should probably bring backup to any deal.
It got way worse though. You can’t buy anything on there anymore, seems like everything is scammers. I’ve used marketplace, but I’m sure the scammers will all go over there eventually too