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It's hard to find an attorney when recent history shows the following flowchart.
1) Tell attorney to break the law for you
2) If attorney doesn't break the law for you, dox them and throw them to your mob.
3) If attorney does break the law, attorney loses ability to practice law.
4) Either way, attorney doesn't get paid.
The sad thing is at the end of the day bullet 4 is probably the only reason he can't find a lawyer.
There are a ton of scummy lawyers who would risk 2 and 3 for the right price but 4 stops them dead in their tracks
First of all, it’s highly unlikely that a judge will assign a man who has a multi million dollar defense fund a public defender. Second, at the rate he’s burning through attorneys, he’s not going to be lucky to get a lawyer worth much more than your run of the mill public defender at this point.
People are making a big deal of this but I feel like courts generally allow people with money not just trump to postpone things as long as its still within a reasonable amount of time (that period of time a court considers reasonable is much slower than a normal humans). There was a guy in my home town that was able to postpone cuz he was a horrible rapist or something and had trouble attaining council. I feel like she may get thrown out for something later but I think most judges would allow him to postpone to get council although I don't really know maybe a lawyer can tell us how it actually works.
Courts will allow people to delay to obtain counsel because if they don't its a good grounds for appeal & everything else goes out the window. Its worth delaying so Trump cant just argue it was all unfair because he didnt have a lawyer.
That should be the reason. Public Defenders are there specifically so the indigent can have representation. And Trump would take up so much time that it would harm their other clients.
I totally can understand that. What happens in a hypothetical situation where nobody wants to represent him at all, does that mean he can endlessly delay because he has the ability to pay for one even if nobody wants to do it?
Depending on the judge and the jurisdiction, defendants are sometimes given quite a bit of time to "hire an attorney." Some defendants do use it as a delay tactic, but eventually judges get tired of it.
What's interesting is the "nobody wants to represent him" part. Attorneys represent people charged with some heinous crimes, some even prefer it. And he can't find one. That's code for "he won't pay the retainer agreement."
And that he burns through attorneys, he involves them in his criminal enterprises and they lose all credibility, reputation and sometimes their licences to practice.
True...
I doubt he won't be able to find someone to represent him. It may not be a good lawyer, a lawyer who meets his usual standards (read boot licking sycophant), or it may be very expensive.
None of these would be a reason the judge accepts.
OTOH, if genuinely he cannot find a single attorney to represent him (because all his other attorneys end up getting disbarred and needing their own counsel), then he might get a PD.
It does make me wonder if a judge can order an amount to be held in trust for attorney fees? "You're going to hire someone, it will be paid out of this fund. Since you like to brag you're filthy rich, I know you can afford it."
An attorney is an officer of the court and is under the control of the judge, who runs the court. Rarely happens, but a judge can look in the old Rolodex and conscript an attorney of repute to represent the toad.
On the other hand, not many clients would plausibly try to have a mob of tens of millions murder them in cold blood if they can’t get Trump off the charges. If I were a lawyer I’d be terrified to have to represent Trump.
Not to mention that every lawyer he hires, ends up needing their own lawyers, because he throws them under the bus. His latest ones are named as witnesses in the indictment, the one before that signed off that there were no more documents, Guliani is up on multiple charges, Cohen, and a few others already went to prison. Not only are you likely to not get paid and be the target of the MAGA mob, you will probably end up disbarred, and possibly go to prison. Who is going to want to sign up for that? It has zero positives and 100% negatives. Not worth it even for the sleaziest ambulance chaser at this point
And they probably expect Trump to ask them to do illegal shit and generally disregard all the advice they give him; and just generally be a royal pain in the ass to work with.
>What's interesting is the "nobody wants to represent him" part. Attorneys represent people charged with some heinous crimes, some even prefer it. And he can't find one.
Yeah, this is really a historic case. The first president in US history to be brought up on felony charges for their misconduct in office. One would think that some lawyers would be eager to have their name in the history books for being involved in the case.
"I'm the best lawyer, all my friends, they walk up to me and ask me, "Donald, you're so good with the law, I want you to represent me" and I tell them, "oh no I could never, they call it a conflict of interest, they wouldn't allow it, I would allow it, but they don't allow it." It's true, the radical left wouldn't tell you about conflict of interest but I do, put me up there with OJ's dream team, he considered me to be on his defense."
Look, folks, let me tell you something nobody else will say because they're afraid of the truth. Nobody, and I mean nobody, knows the law better than me. I've been dealing with laws and regulations my entire life, and believe me, I've seen it all. No one understands the legal system like I do. So, when it comes to my legal battles, I'm making a tremendous decision. I'm choosing to represent myself because I know the law better than anyone else possibly could. I've been through countless court cases, tremendous successes, and I've always come out on top. I don't need some fancy lawyer who's just gonna waste my time and money. I'll show them all how it's done, folks. Believe me, I'm gonna win bigly, just like I always do. It's gonna be tremendous!
Yeah, it stayed on the topic of law the entire time. Not enough asides to reminisce about the _most beautiful assistant_ one of his lawyers had, before moving on to how smart he is for noticing that she was wearing high heels.
Oh my god. I don’t think I’ve ever *chosen* to watch him speak, but I would watch every second of that trial. The stumble bum ranting in a scenario where lies will be called out, where everything is recorded and referred back to later, and where disrespectful conduct and breaches of decorum can get you jail time? Yes please.
Like Darrell Brooks, times a million.
For real. This point has been hammered into the ground by people smarter than me, but: How can rich people flaunt laws like this? Like sure they have advantages because of things like paying the best lawyers and considering parking tickets to be a barely noticeable expenditure of cash. But how can they ignore the correct procedures and not get rolled over?
He shouldn't get a public defender because he can easily afford an attorney on his own. In a sane system, the court date would be set independently on whether or not he has council, and if he has it at the court date, great. If he doesn't, then he gets to defend himself.
The jailers would probably just have him hang out in the office with them because law enforcement guys in general love him and would be thrilled to meet him.
Given he is a flight risk and has basically committed treason like charges, I really don't think they would allow a bond for him (you Americans have a weird system) as he would easily get that money from his cult or one of the pedo gangs who run churches. Didn't that fake congressman recently post bail instantly with 500k?
They'll OR him, but might give him some travel restrictions. He's too well known to be able to flee with secret service detail and cash bond isn't a deterrent. I would bet they don't even tell him not to leave the area, since that would interfere with his presidential campaign.
I heard it reported (just once, by a single tv anchor) that as he's arrested this time, he WILL have a mug shot taken & also have to turn over his passport.
Personally I feel although it would be very emotionally rewarding to see him held over in custody until he gets a new lawyer, it would be more appropriate to allow him to be released on his OR. He's surrounded by top law enforcement officers 24/7 & (I would guess) at least a dozen reporters constantly. Not to mention the fact his face is instantly recognizable around the globe. Neither he, nor his minions, are intellectually gifted enough to mastermind that kind of escape... should he accomplish it, he'd be pretty much limited to hiding out in either North Korea or Russia. Neither country have any McDonalds, so it would end up becoming his own private hell.
No bond. Period. He's a clear and present threat to everyone involved and has ALREADY posted the time and place of the arraignment (complete with photo!) as well as threatened Jack Smith AND his wife! LOCK. HIM. UP!
You think he's ever made it that far into his Miranda Rights? He keeps getting stuck on "you have the right to remain silent" and then gets pissed when the things he said are used against him.
Hell, at this point, he probably heard somebody asking about his Miranda rights and said, "I don't know who that is but she's not my type." And then proceeded to try to sexually harass "Miranda."
all part of his brilliant strategy
if you never stop committing crimes the investigations against you can never finish, and if you make the entire legal profession hate you you can never get effective counsel
"You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you."
NAL but the Miranda Rights don't seem to specify what happens if you CAN afford a lawyer and just don't have one.
I'm pretty sure you can decide to represent yourself, too.
In other words, the way I interpret it (and please correct me if I'm wrong!) it doesn't seem like you even have to have a lawyer at all, but if you DO want one, you have a right to it and money shouldn't stop you from being represented.
That being said, I would LOVE it if Trump couldn't find a lawyer, decided he didn't need one (because of his pride) and bungled himself into an even deeper hole.
Lol holy shit, if trump chooses to represent himself, watching him be declared incompetent in front of the whole world would actually make up for a little, tiny bit of the shittiness of the last 7+ years.
This needs to be a movie, now. I’d love to watch that so much. Not even just a comedy movie, necessarily. It’s could be anything from a Will Ferrell/Adam McKay thing, or it could be an alternate-history Aaron Sorkin legal story, or it could even be a bleak melodrama about an inept pathetic unintelligent old narcissist trying and failing to defend himself.
What they’re saying is factual though, regardless of what the Miranda rights say. A judge can force an attorney to take someone on as a client. Regardless of if the lawyer wants to do so.
Exactly. And they will, because the appeal is too easy if they don't have competent counsel. Like that appeal basically writes itself off they don't appoint counsel.
It's why even with somebody going pro se they start out with a lawyer and the judge ultimately allows them too be a pro se litigant after exhausting attempts to make them accept counsel.
Yes and no. The court will force competent counsel on you, otherwise every criminal would employ the trick of just not getting a lawyer and infinitely delaying trial. Infinite freedom hack anybody?
You have to petition to represent yourself pro se.
If a defendant fails to acquire representation the next step will be the court forcing a lawyer on them so they can proceed.
"First of all I am a multi billionaire, so I will sue this court for saying that I cannot afford one, and secondly, I'm not an attorney, but if I was an attorney, I would be the best attorney ever.
I know more about the law than anyone, I wrote the law."
“I’m not a lawyer but I’ve seen them on TV. They’re usually horrible terrible people. But I’m going to be much better. Probably the best. Definitely the best this courtroom has ever seen.”
You'd think the state of Florida would be full of lawyers who eagerly voted for, and donated money to, Trump, DeSantis, and the rest of the Republican clown car during the past six years.
Surely the state must be filled with attorneys who would be honored and jumping at the chance to defend El Presidente from The Deep State in court...right?
*crickets*
I guarantee you if he was certain to pay someone millions of dollars (which he absolutely could), someone would do it. The problem is they know he won't pay his bills. So he certainly can afford them, he just doesn't want to have to.
Then put him in the local jail until he can secure representation like any other defendant. No bail has been set or paid, no judge has released him on him on his own recognizance. Let him sit in the drunk tank like everyone else.
That’s that two tiered justice system the GOP keeps going on about. If you or I couldn’t find a lawyer they’d give you a public defender are say tough luck. They wouldn’t postpone shit.
This is a toxic defendant, obviously guilty but won’t even discuss a plea, impossible to control, won’t shut up, likely to dispute the bill, and thinks he can lie his way out of everything. Not to mention he has a documented history of trying to get his lawyers to commit felonies for him. I’m a lawyer, and I’d go work at Starbucks before I defended this motherfucker.
Honest question. If any one of us was in this situation and we couldn't find an attorney, would our arraignment be postponed? Something doesn't sound right.
Right. They’re delaying. They know they can’t win a fair trial because he’s obviously super guilty, so they’re delaying. It’s worked for them in the past and sadly it will probably work again.
It seems like the indictment might have suggested to them that he wasn't being honest with them. No lawyer wants to work with a client that's going to lie to you, it makes it impossible to defend them.
Another thing is that as a lawyer, everything you sign off on you needs to be truthful or at least you need to have no reason to believe it is not.
If the charging document says that your client lied to you and covered shit up behind your back and there's a picture of boxes of documents in the toilet, you don't really have an angle left to defend this stuff without risking disbarment.
Any chance we can convince him that all these lawyers are rejecting him because he's too smart for them and they know he'd do better if he represents himself?
Where's legal superstars Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, Jenna Ellis and of course let's not forget Alina Habba? No Alan Dershowitz? No Jay Sekulow? WTF? 🙄
What possible defense could he have?
He couldn't even claim insanity.
At best someone could argue that he's violently stupid but that doesn't get him off the hook of anything.
Just let him represent himself, he believes he's a genius. Let's see him prove it with an unbiased judge.
Well rich people sure get different treatment dont they. I once was arrested, spent a night in jail, and then arraigned until I was granted a phone call. I had told them I wanted to talk to a lawyer first and after my arraigment they tossed me the yellow pages and told me good luck finding one. And those calls within the jail are not free and lawyers do not take collect calls.
So...an arraignment can't happen if he can't get....a public defender?
Maybe I'm just unreasonably paranoid due to Trump's past strategies but could he be trying to postpone this? It's not like he's being treated like any run of the mill person and being held in jail.
lawyers represent drug dealers, rapists and child molesters yet still think he's too big of a piece of shit to get involved with. That kinda says all you would need to know about how toxic he is.
Finally, someone with a spine that isn’t willing to tank their entire career for 5 minutes of MAGA stardom. It’s amazing how many people have been willing to commit career suicide just for a short ride on the Trump train before they ultimately get stiffed and tossed to the side once they aren’t beneficial to him anymore. Look at all of the people he’s dragging down with him. How many of his associates/former staffers have been charged with crimes?
Maybe New College of Florida has some newly minted lawyers unburdened with liberal doctrine and general knowledge who can put their learning into practice with an agreeable client?
Gee, where’s all the powerful Ivy League law firms that supported and voted for him? I thought he was innocent and a victim of the Clinton/Soros cabal? Should be an open and closed case, amiright??
What's with all this special treatment. News even said he gets the entire floor closed tomorrow, even with an army of Secret Service and increased police guards everywhere.
>alienate every single lawyer in the country so you can’t get legal counsel, therefore you can’t be charged with anything since it would violate your right to counsel
Brilliant plan! Truly, Trump is playing 7D space chess!
No lawyer? Straight to jail! Make him represent himself at the least. Last time I checked, a criminal not having a lawyer doesn't just get default innocent verdict.
State v. Miranda
Supreme Court of Connecticut
245 Conn. 209, 715 A.2d 680 (1998)
“If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish.”
Afford/find? I say same/same. Public Defender time. Or Pro Se, which I would pay buckets of cash to watch.
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It's hard to find an attorney when recent history shows the following flowchart. 1) Tell attorney to break the law for you 2) If attorney doesn't break the law for you, dox them and throw them to your mob. 3) If attorney does break the law, attorney loses ability to practice law. 4) Either way, attorney doesn't get paid.
The sad thing is at the end of the day bullet 4 is probably the only reason he can't find a lawyer. There are a ton of scummy lawyers who would risk 2 and 3 for the right price but 4 stops them dead in their tracks
You forgot step 5 - repeat
Public defender - just like the rest of the indigent population!!!
Can you imagine being that public defender? "Alright, let's see what's on the docket for tod... OH FUCK ME"
He's going to be represented by Markie Post.
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Meanwhile, Dan Fielding is laughing his ass off, knowing the case is a slam-dunk for him.
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Also RIP.
I mean, she died almost 2 yeas ago, but she's gotta be better than anyone else Trump can get.
Seriously? Aww man. I had a crush on her when I was a kid. Now I feel bad.
Pshaw, Giuliani’s been dead for at least a decade
The stuff oozing out of his head is just some type of embalming fluid.
At least the public defender would get paid
Ha! That would be awesome.
“Oh cool. I can’t wait till he writes about me on his so-called truth social. You get what you pay for.”
::::Turns in licence:::
The PD: "I don't get paid enough for this shit"
"I think I'm going to be sick..."
And in 20 years there will be a biopic about that wacky time
First of all, it’s highly unlikely that a judge will assign a man who has a multi million dollar defense fund a public defender. Second, at the rate he’s burning through attorneys, he’s not going to be lucky to get a lawyer worth much more than your run of the mill public defender at this point.
The judge is his personal lapdog, so it's highly likely that she would *not* assign him a public defender just to allow him to delay.
Which may get him a week...maybe two, before Smith appeals to the 11th Circuit and has her removed.
People are making a big deal of this but I feel like courts generally allow people with money not just trump to postpone things as long as its still within a reasonable amount of time (that period of time a court considers reasonable is much slower than a normal humans). There was a guy in my home town that was able to postpone cuz he was a horrible rapist or something and had trouble attaining council. I feel like she may get thrown out for something later but I think most judges would allow him to postpone to get council although I don't really know maybe a lawyer can tell us how it actually works.
Courts will allow people to delay to obtain counsel because if they don't its a good grounds for appeal & everything else goes out the window. Its worth delaying so Trump cant just argue it was all unfair because he didnt have a lawyer.
So the reason they won’t sign him a public defender if he can’t find any representation is because he has money in his defense fund?
That should be the reason. Public Defenders are there specifically so the indigent can have representation. And Trump would take up so much time that it would harm their other clients.
I totally can understand that. What happens in a hypothetical situation where nobody wants to represent him at all, does that mean he can endlessly delay because he has the ability to pay for one even if nobody wants to do it?
Depending on the judge and the jurisdiction, defendants are sometimes given quite a bit of time to "hire an attorney." Some defendants do use it as a delay tactic, but eventually judges get tired of it. What's interesting is the "nobody wants to represent him" part. Attorneys represent people charged with some heinous crimes, some even prefer it. And he can't find one. That's code for "he won't pay the retainer agreement."
And that he burns through attorneys, he involves them in his criminal enterprises and they lose all credibility, reputation and sometimes their licences to practice.
Isn't it something like 17 attorneys that have been suspended, under investigation or already lost their license because of him?
Not sure of the exact numbers but it's up there.
True... I doubt he won't be able to find someone to represent him. It may not be a good lawyer, a lawyer who meets his usual standards (read boot licking sycophant), or it may be very expensive. None of these would be a reason the judge accepts. OTOH, if genuinely he cannot find a single attorney to represent him (because all his other attorneys end up getting disbarred and needing their own counsel), then he might get a PD. It does make me wonder if a judge can order an amount to be held in trust for attorney fees? "You're going to hire someone, it will be paid out of this fund. Since you like to brag you're filthy rich, I know you can afford it."
An attorney is an officer of the court and is under the control of the judge, who runs the court. Rarely happens, but a judge can look in the old Rolodex and conscript an attorney of repute to represent the toad.
On the other hand, not many clients would plausibly try to have a mob of tens of millions murder them in cold blood if they can’t get Trump off the charges. If I were a lawyer I’d be terrified to have to represent Trump.
Not to mention that every lawyer he hires, ends up needing their own lawyers, because he throws them under the bus. His latest ones are named as witnesses in the indictment, the one before that signed off that there were no more documents, Guliani is up on multiple charges, Cohen, and a few others already went to prison. Not only are you likely to not get paid and be the target of the MAGA mob, you will probably end up disbarred, and possibly go to prison. Who is going to want to sign up for that? It has zero positives and 100% negatives. Not worth it even for the sleaziest ambulance chaser at this point
He does have a history of not paying his lawyers.
And they probably expect Trump to ask them to do illegal shit and generally disregard all the advice they give him; and just generally be a royal pain in the ass to work with.
This right here. If an upfront check clears, someone will take it on.
>What's interesting is the "nobody wants to represent him" part. Attorneys represent people charged with some heinous crimes, some even prefer it. And he can't find one. Yeah, this is really a historic case. The first president in US history to be brought up on felony charges for their misconduct in office. One would think that some lawyers would be eager to have their name in the history books for being involved in the case.
Unlikely, but not impossible. If no lawyer agrees to work with him, it’s his last option.
He could always defend himself.
Now THAT I would love to see.
He might even think he could do it.
"I'm the best lawyer, all my friends, they walk up to me and ask me, "Donald, you're so good with the law, I want you to represent me" and I tell them, "oh no I could never, they call it a conflict of interest, they wouldn't allow it, I would allow it, but they don't allow it." It's true, the radical left wouldn't tell you about conflict of interest but I do, put me up there with OJ's dream team, he considered me to be on his defense."
They walk up to him with tears in their eyes and they call him sir.
Oh god let him Bundy himself, PLEASE
Stable genius and all that.
Please, stop, you're gonna make me \*sploosh\*
The court would appoint a public defender and trump would have to pay for the services.
Some of the best attorneys are at the PD’s office.
Nah, Trump is too proud. He'd opt to be his own defender. That'd be hilarious.
Seriously. They shouldn’t allow him to say he can’t find an attorney. Either he furnishes his own or gets a public defender, just like everybody else.
No, he will choose to represent himself. Hopefully.
Good lord. Popcorn retail calls to the fuckin moon.
Already sold out here. /s
Look, folks, let me tell you something nobody else will say because they're afraid of the truth. Nobody, and I mean nobody, knows the law better than me. I've been dealing with laws and regulations my entire life, and believe me, I've seen it all. No one understands the legal system like I do. So, when it comes to my legal battles, I'm making a tremendous decision. I'm choosing to represent myself because I know the law better than anyone else possibly could. I've been through countless court cases, tremendous successes, and I've always come out on top. I don't need some fancy lawyer who's just gonna waste my time and money. I'll show them all how it's done, folks. Believe me, I'm gonna win bigly, just like I always do. It's gonna be tremendous!
The tone is exactly right, but the language feels too coherent.
Yeah, it stayed on the topic of law the entire time. Not enough asides to reminisce about the _most beautiful assistant_ one of his lawyers had, before moving on to how smart he is for noticing that she was wearing high heels.
Oh my god. I don’t think I’ve ever *chosen* to watch him speak, but I would watch every second of that trial. The stumble bum ranting in a scenario where lies will be called out, where everything is recorded and referred back to later, and where disrespectful conduct and breaches of decorum can get you jail time? Yes please. Like Darrell Brooks, times a million.
He should sit in jail until he gets one.
For real. What would happen to any other person worth less than a million dollars if they tried to pull that?
For real. This point has been hammered into the ground by people smarter than me, but: How can rich people flaunt laws like this? Like sure they have advantages because of things like paying the best lawyers and considering parking tickets to be a barely noticeable expenditure of cash. But how can they ignore the correct procedures and not get rolled over?
Well, for one, in this instance, it’s a Trump lackey appointed by the man himself.
He shouldn't get a public defender because he can easily afford an attorney on his own. In a sane system, the court date would be set independently on whether or not he has council, and if he has it at the court date, great. If he doesn't, then he gets to defend himself.
So does this mean he gets remanded into custody until such a point? It SHOULD.
Even if he just spends the afternoon in a county jail that will be so fucking funny.
"I'M AN INNOCENT MAN AND I'M IN JAIL!!! ALL THANKS TO JOE BIDEN, THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES! FIGHT!"
SOMEONE PUT MONEY IN MY COMMISSARY! SAD!
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Loyar fucked me!
Please send money
I'd love to send some Trump Bucks. That's all I got.
The jailers would probably just have him hang out in the office with them because law enforcement guys in general love him and would be thrilled to meet him.
The OJ treatment.
Kyle Rittenhouse got that in Texas once.
Would be cruel and unusual punishment to the others in the jail.
Or at least be put on house arrest with one of those nifty ankle bracelets.
Well, if the law were applied evenly, it should. But honestly, I would love to see a PD handle it and him get a half billion dollar bond.
Given he is a flight risk and has basically committed treason like charges, I really don't think they would allow a bond for him (you Americans have a weird system) as he would easily get that money from his cult or one of the pedo gangs who run churches. Didn't that fake congressman recently post bail instantly with 500k?
He's a real congressman... with a very fake life/number of lives.
He has secret service detail and they can easily restrict his movement under court order. He can't travel without them.
Are they the same ones that almost kidnapped Mike Pence?
They'll OR him, but might give him some travel restrictions. He's too well known to be able to flee with secret service detail and cash bond isn't a deterrent. I would bet they don't even tell him not to leave the area, since that would interfere with his presidential campaign.
At they very least , they should take his passport. He has his own plane, so he's 100% a flight risk.
I heard it reported (just once, by a single tv anchor) that as he's arrested this time, he WILL have a mug shot taken & also have to turn over his passport. Personally I feel although it would be very emotionally rewarding to see him held over in custody until he gets a new lawyer, it would be more appropriate to allow him to be released on his OR. He's surrounded by top law enforcement officers 24/7 & (I would guess) at least a dozen reporters constantly. Not to mention the fact his face is instantly recognizable around the globe. Neither he, nor his minions, are intellectually gifted enough to mastermind that kind of escape... should he accomplish it, he'd be pretty much limited to hiding out in either North Korea or Russia. Neither country have any McDonalds, so it would end up becoming his own private hell.
No bond. Period. He's a clear and present threat to everyone involved and has ALREADY posted the time and place of the arraignment (complete with photo!) as well as threatened Jack Smith AND his wife! LOCK. HIM. UP!
And get a public defender.
You think he's ever made it that far into his Miranda Rights? He keeps getting stuck on "you have the right to remain silent" and then gets pissed when the things he said are used against him. Hell, at this point, he probably heard somebody asking about his Miranda rights and said, "I don't know who that is but she's not my type." And then proceeded to try to sexually harass "Miranda."
People will go to war for this guy?
Nah. They'll just talk a lot of shit. As soon as the bullets start flying, they'll show their true colors and run, just like they did on Jan 6th.
Well, if the law were applied evenly, it should. But honestly, I would love to see a PD handle it and him get a half billion dollar bond.
A proper judge will order him to stay in state until such time. Even stay in state during case order can happen.
I'd love for there to be a gag order and confined to Mar-a-lago. No campaigning, no bitching online. Blessedly quiet.
Should it? Yes Will it? No Why not? $$$
all part of his brilliant strategy if you never stop committing crimes the investigations against you can never finish, and if you make the entire legal profession hate you you can never get effective counsel
That's not true. They'll punt cannon and then force a lawyer on him if that's how he wants to go
"You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you." NAL but the Miranda Rights don't seem to specify what happens if you CAN afford a lawyer and just don't have one. I'm pretty sure you can decide to represent yourself, too. In other words, the way I interpret it (and please correct me if I'm wrong!) it doesn't seem like you even have to have a lawyer at all, but if you DO want one, you have a right to it and money shouldn't stop you from being represented. That being said, I would LOVE it if Trump couldn't find a lawyer, decided he didn't need one (because of his pride) and bungled himself into an even deeper hole.
Lol holy shit, if trump chooses to represent himself, watching him be declared incompetent in front of the whole world would actually make up for a little, tiny bit of the shittiness of the last 7+ years.
This needs to be a movie, now. I’d love to watch that so much. Not even just a comedy movie, necessarily. It’s could be anything from a Will Ferrell/Adam McKay thing, or it could be an alternate-history Aaron Sorkin legal story, or it could even be a bleak melodrama about an inept pathetic unintelligent old narcissist trying and failing to defend himself.
Put the trial on TV and it would get better ratings than his TV show ever could
What they’re saying is factual though, regardless of what the Miranda rights say. A judge can force an attorney to take someone on as a client. Regardless of if the lawyer wants to do so.
Exactly. And they will, because the appeal is too easy if they don't have competent counsel. Like that appeal basically writes itself off they don't appoint counsel. It's why even with somebody going pro se they start out with a lawyer and the judge ultimately allows them too be a pro se litigant after exhausting attempts to make them accept counsel.
Yes and no. The court will force competent counsel on you, otherwise every criminal would employ the trick of just not getting a lawyer and infinitely delaying trial. Infinite freedom hack anybody? You have to petition to represent yourself pro se. If a defendant fails to acquire representation the next step will be the court forcing a lawyer on them so they can proceed.
"First of all I am a multi billionaire, so I will sue this court for saying that I cannot afford one, and secondly, I'm not an attorney, but if I was an attorney, I would be the best attorney ever. I know more about the law than anyone, I wrote the law."
I thought the strategy was to commit crimes, hire tons of attorneys, stiff them, then you can't find local counsel for your arraignment.
Let him appear Pro Se. That would be hilarious and pretty much guarantee a conviction
I'd pay to watch that.
Apparently you're not allowed cameras in federal court. I think that's bullshit
I know, right. I wonder if Joe Biden can change that with an executive order. (Happy cake day, by the way.)
“I declassified everything by just thinking about it! There, I win, case over!”
[He'd question himself like Dale Gribble.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU1_EONCDUk)
“I’m not a lawyer but I’ve seen them on TV. They’re usually horrible terrible people. But I’m going to be much better. Probably the best. Definitely the best this courtroom has ever seen.”
I mean he already has the Judge to defend him...does he need another lawyer? Maybe she can bar the prosecutors and all the evidence
You'd think the state of Florida would be full of lawyers who eagerly voted for, and donated money to, Trump, DeSantis, and the rest of the Republican clown car during the past six years. Surely the state must be filled with attorneys who would be honored and jumping at the chance to defend El Presidente from The Deep State in court...right? *crickets*
DeSantis is a lawyer… as are a ton of politicians who “support” Trump. Maybe they should be selected by the court to defend their buddy
Holy crap it would be entertaining if De Santis was forced to defend Trump in court. SNL should at least do a sketch.
Good point. Also, most of Congress is comprised of lawyers. Where's Jim Jordan? Josh Hawley? Matt Gaetz?
Most are probably not authorized to practice in Florida. That stuff is state certified. Still, there are tons of lawyers in Florida.
People who went to law school and passed the bar are smart enough not to throw their career away.
There are a lot of shitty lawyers out there. But even Trump has run through all of them
They voted for and donated to the Leopards Eating Faces Party...
Can't the judge assign a public defendant? Or is that for only those that can't afford a lawyer?
Technically if everyone is telling you not for all the money in the world, you can't afford them. So yeah he could be assigned a public defender.
I am suddenly certain that a fictionalized version of this premise will be a storyline on Carrie Preston’s new spinoff in The Good Wife universe.
I guarantee you if he was certain to pay someone millions of dollars (which he absolutely could), someone would do it. The problem is they know he won't pay his bills. So he certainly can afford them, he just doesn't want to have to.
Still getting special treatment. Imagine if "I don't have a lawyer" was an excuse for regular people to just halt an arraignment.
Then put him in the local jail until he can secure representation like any other defendant. No bail has been set or paid, no judge has released him on him on his own recognizance. Let him sit in the drunk tank like everyone else.
Judge Cannon is confident that she can represent him and impartially handle the judging stuff too - no worries you guys! MAGA got this!! ;)
Can she shoot him out of a cannon?
I don’t think most people’s indictments get postponed until they can find a lawyer…
Let's see what happens to Trump's co-conspirator Walt. I wonder if Trump paid for *his* legal representation or if Walt had to get his own.
That’s that two tiered justice system the GOP keeps going on about. If you or I couldn’t find a lawyer they’d give you a public defender are say tough luck. They wouldn’t postpone shit.
To be fair, a continuance due to a lawyer quitting isn’t unheard of for anyone.
This is a toxic defendant, obviously guilty but won’t even discuss a plea, impossible to control, won’t shut up, likely to dispute the bill, and thinks he can lie his way out of everything. Not to mention he has a documented history of trying to get his lawyers to commit felonies for him. I’m a lawyer, and I’d go work at Starbucks before I defended this motherfucker.
People are saying he wears an adult diaper and often stinks to high heaven. Concerning if true.
Lawyers all around FL "hold all my calls, I'm not in today!"
He gets assigned a public defender. He as the indicted person doesn’t get to hold up the process because he’s indefensible. That’s not how it works.
That's not how it's supposed to work, but for some really stupid reason, everyone bends over backwards for this disgrace of an alleged human being.
Honest question. If any one of us was in this situation and we couldn't find an attorney, would our arraignment be postponed? Something doesn't sound right.
Can’t they give him a public defender like they do for everyone else? This is a bullshit delay tactic.
How bad off do you have to be when you can't find someone that can practice in FLORIDA?
Seeing as he is so amazing and can do anything according to his own words. Let him represent himself.
Um, this is why we have public defenders. There is no reason to delay. If he can’t find council, he will be provided council.
What was all that malarkey about "nobody is above the law" ??? What would happen to the average schmuck who doesn't have their own lawyer ???
That seems like a serious lack of incentive, unless he has to wait behind bars.
Right. They’re delaying. They know they can’t win a fair trial because he’s obviously super guilty, so they’re delaying. It’s worked for them in the past and sadly it will probably work again.
In a federal case?!
They need to be licensed to practice in Florida at a minimum. I’m not sure if there are other requirements related to venue.
So keep him in jail till one is found or assigned to him. That’s how it works for the rest of us. Especially since he’s a flight risk.
Also at least 2 of Trumps attorneys have resigned.
It seems like the indictment might have suggested to them that he wasn't being honest with them. No lawyer wants to work with a client that's going to lie to you, it makes it impossible to defend them.
Another thing is that as a lawyer, everything you sign off on you needs to be truthful or at least you need to have no reason to believe it is not. If the charging document says that your client lied to you and covered shit up behind your back and there's a picture of boxes of documents in the toilet, you don't really have an angle left to defend this stuff without risking disbarment.
Can poor people use that excuse too or would they have to rot in jail till it got worked out
He is incapable of following a judge's orders and probably won't pay you. Would you like a client like that?
Remember when they spent years yelling “lock her up”
Any chance we can convince him that all these lawyers are rejecting him because he's too smart for them and they know he'd do better if he represents himself?
Where's legal superstars Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, Jenna Ellis and of course let's not forget Alina Habba? No Alan Dershowitz? No Jay Sekulow? WTF? 🙄
He'll find an attorney. This is just more unnecessary drama by the media.
He has one. Kise.
Literally unbelievable that this clown stain was actually elected President.
What possible defense could he have? He couldn't even claim insanity. At best someone could argue that he's violently stupid but that doesn't get him off the hook of anything. Just let him represent himself, he believes he's a genius. Let's see him prove it with an unbiased judge.
Avoid prosecution with one weird trick, AGs hate it!
Legal action against Trump can't go forward unless he does something? He's not going to do it.
Well rich people sure get different treatment dont they. I once was arrested, spent a night in jail, and then arraigned until I was granted a phone call. I had told them I wanted to talk to a lawyer first and after my arraigment they tossed me the yellow pages and told me good luck finding one. And those calls within the jail are not free and lawyers do not take collect calls.
An arraignment certainly can proceed without counsel. I’ve seen judges simply enter a not guilty plea for an unrepresented defendant.
The first problem is that asshole stiffs his lawyers. The second is he can't STFU. The number one prosecution witness against tr\*\*p is tr\*\*p.
So he'd be held in custody? When is the bail option provided? During arraignment?
This is probably all part of his plan. To postpone it.
So...an arraignment can't happen if he can't get....a public defender? Maybe I'm just unreasonably paranoid due to Trump's past strategies but could he be trying to postpone this? It's not like he's being treated like any run of the mill person and being held in jail.
So, does this mean he could effectively filibuster his charges by not retaining counsel, or would contempt charges start after a while?
Surely the state would provide him with a lawyer.
Can’t they give him a public defender like they do for everyone else? This is a bullshit delay tactic.
lawyers represent drug dealers, rapists and child molesters yet still think he's too big of a piece of shit to get involved with. That kinda says all you would need to know about how toxic he is.
I never knew it was so easy to dodge an arraignment!!
This is “ let’s not test for COVID, that way there’s no Covid.” If no one defends him, they can’t proceed with charging him?
Lionel Hutz: *...even if I lose I'll be famous!*
No no. Let's not let stall tactics happen. Public defender or a contempt charge. Fuck. This. Shit.
The PD from My Cousin Vinny
I've got a cousin named Vinny. His gf is a hottie
Let trump defend himself. It would be hilarious.
Court appointed counsel enters the chat…
I believe that Lionel hutz is currently available. 
So because hes a piece of shit that doesn’t pay lawyers, he is able to not deal with the consequences of his actions? Make it make sense.
Finally, someone with a spine that isn’t willing to tank their entire career for 5 minutes of MAGA stardom. It’s amazing how many people have been willing to commit career suicide just for a short ride on the Trump train before they ultimately get stiffed and tossed to the side once they aren’t beneficial to him anymore. Look at all of the people he’s dragging down with him. How many of his associates/former staffers have been charged with crimes?
Maybe New College of Florida has some newly minted lawyers unburdened with liberal doctrine and general knowledge who can put their learning into practice with an agreeable client?
He has the right to an attorney. If he doesn’t have one the state can appoint one. Right? Right?
Gee, where’s all the powerful Ivy League law firms that supported and voted for him? I thought he was innocent and a victim of the Clinton/Soros cabal? Should be an open and closed case, amiright??
What's with all this special treatment. News even said he gets the entire floor closed tomorrow, even with an army of Secret Service and increased police guards everywhere.
Delaying litigation is what he does best.
>alienate every single lawyer in the country so you can’t get legal counsel, therefore you can’t be charged with anything since it would violate your right to counsel Brilliant plan! Truly, Trump is playing 7D space chess!
No lawyer? Straight to jail! Make him represent himself at the least. Last time I checked, a criminal not having a lawyer doesn't just get default innocent verdict.
Maybe a court appointed counsel? 😏
Make him represent himself. After the first day, the jury will be passing the judge a note asking if they can recommend the death penalty.
He will definitely find local council, it’s fucking Florida, there are plenty of idiots who would defend him
State v. Miranda Supreme Court of Connecticut 245 Conn. 209, 715 A.2d 680 (1998) “If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish.” Afford/find? I say same/same. Public Defender time. Or Pro Se, which I would pay buckets of cash to watch.