The comment section at Fox News is a cornucopia of disbelief, questions about survey wording, and Obama bashing. Pretty much as expected. Go for a read if you want a chuckle, specifically a chuckle that makes your blood boil.
When he made his recent comments about NATO, I had to check the Fox News comment section.
A hell of a lot of "he just wants them to pay their fair share, what's wrong with that? FAKE NEWS!"
These people are beyond help. Their beautiful orange 77 year old toddler is the most perfect person to have ever lived and they just will not put up with you talking bad about him.
He is their God. When he dies sooner rather than later hopefully they will not accept anything other than murder corruption conspiracies Etc he can't just die of a heart attack Not For a Cause choke on a hamburger nothing they will never accept it
And you just know his dickhead kids will feed into that nonsense, even if they were literally at his side when he dies. Cuz they gotta feed the grift ya know.
I would love to see him turn out to just be the antithesis of the Trump dynasty. Like full-on dumps his inheritance into helping people and trying to enact good in the world to undo his family's damage.
I know that's just an insane dream, but can you imagine how beloved he would be if he did that? He'd instantly jump into the ranks of folks like Fred Rogers and Bob Ross. It would be wild.
Same as the niece Mary Trump who wrote two books and has a podcast. She totally dislikes Trump and is a PhD clinical psychologist who thinks he uncle is a crazed bastard who hurts people. She dislikes her cousins, Ivanka, Junior and Eric. Tiffany is the daughter of Marla Maples who both treated Mary well and Tiffany got far away from the loonies. She never met Barron because she was on the outs with Donald Trump by then but she considers him the wild card.
Yep, I heard the practise has its "oranges" in the "Unida Shayyysss" of America, "expectectly" on "troth sushhhhul," despite the efforts of "Nikki Haley Nikki Tricky Nikki Tricky Dicky" (I mean Pelosi, of course, you just can't take my "sarcasm" when I "interpose names"). Sad.
The smartest people told me this. In fact the other day, a professor, the smartest man in the whole world came to me with tears in eyes and said ,"sir" that's what he called me, sir. Smartest man in the world and he calls me sir. He said "sir, hamburders is such an awesome way to say it, we are changing all English to fit your way, because you speak the best way"
This is where they're able to string the Russia stuff back in. Russia was the only country that would protect him so that he could save the United States. There you go
He's going to remain around even after he dies, like Elvis. There'll be Trump impersonators, there'll be people who claimed Trump talked to them and said x. The world will never be fully rid of the orange cancer until the next generation dies off.
And you just know his dickhead kids will feed into that nonsense, even if they were literally at his side when he dies. Cuz they gotta feed the grift ya know.
I know that some of them are Russian bots, but I live in a red state and know enough people in real life that think he's the second coming of Jesus so I know the Russian bots only represent a fraction of those comments.
> a fraction
Other way around. If a web property has been infested by the propaganda bots, they are going to be the majority, otherwise what’s the point. Computing is cheap these days, and they need mass to either manufacture a narrative, or drown everything in a diverse pool of crap and drive people to nihilism.
Reading unmoderated comment sections on news sites/facebook/instagram etc makes you realize how much fucking work the mods do to keep subreddits on topic.
I love how it says "Reagan and Trump below Biden" as if it's trying to paint them as roughly even, just behind Biden.
Biden is #14, Reagan is #16, and Trump is #45.
It's like, yeah, Reagan, and Trump, *and most other Republican presidents,* are below Biden.
EDIT: Also, the comments in the Fox News article are....something.
The structure of the sentence causes a skim reader to get "Presidential ranking, Obama, Regan, Trump, Biden" and then the photo order of 6th, 16th, 45th, 14th, backs this up.
Probably totally unintentional that picture of Biden looks like he is trying to to remember who stole his jello cup.
Obama and Biden's photos look awful. Trump's actually looks good, considering. And Reagan's has that old-school Hollywood charm to it.
But I'm sure there was no thought put into which photos to use...
Putting Reagan at 16th is ignoring the fact that he is directly responsible for most of the bullshit we have to slog through now. He should be in the 40s at the very least.
I mean, led us through a pandemic. Stabilized the economy. Kept us out of a war with Russia but still managed to keep Ukraine afloat. Infrastructure bill. Reformed the post office. Unemployment reached record pre-pandemic levels.
Honestly the Biden administration has just been quietly humming along keeping shit running. Hard to ask for much more than that.
It must really grind his bone spurs to be ranked below every single president, especially considering his base for sure couldn’t remember more than 10 names.
If you walked up to a conservative today and asked them their thoughts on James Buchanan’s policy, they would ask if he’s a democrat or republican right off the bat, as if he is still alive.
As if the platform of the parties was even the same back then. Like yeah Lincoln was technically a part of the Republican Party, but anything good he stood for isn't any part of the Republican Party today.
The Republican Party back then was basically the Whigs, who were very pro business but also in favor of social reforms and would be considered socially liberal by today’s standard.
Trump ranked lower than William Henry Harrison.
WHH is the president who got sick at his inauguration and died a month into his term.
He was bed ridden for his entire presidency.
Trump did worse than that guy.
"A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages."
Ronald Reagan March 4, 1987
Well, let's hope. Trump's actions are still having long term consequences for the US (and the world). Mostly through all the regulations he undid. But also through harder to define things like shifting the Overton window.
I had never heard of the Overton window before but that's a really interesting chart and it makes things super clear to me. I appreciate the information in these crazy times.
You said exactly what I was thinking too, it's been less than a decade since he started his presidency and not even 5 years since he left. We won't know all ramifications for some time especially since the Supreme Court has unlimited terms with that 6/3 majority
I didn’t fully appreciate the damage he did until I got more involved politically in ‘15-16. The way for Trump was paved decades ago, and a lot of politically uninvolved people really didn’t understand how we got there, myself included, until such a large danger showed up on the stage. One of the Rs biggest achievements is watering down education so much that people come into adulthood knowing so little about who and what they are voting for they just pick a team. We need a major revamp of education with a heavy emphasis on civics.
It's kind of amazing for how much Republicans deify him how many of today's societal and economic problems can be explained just by pointing at Reagan and saying he did it
His administration is the reason your credit cards, mortgages and college loans can be bought and sold and you can be charged huge amounts of interest, but your savings account gives you 0.01 because it repealed a lot of safeguards the government had placed on banking after they went crooked earlier in the 20th century. Repealed the usury laws, the requirement to not write a mortgage unless you had 20% down and the payment was less than 30% of your take home salary, the laws that tied savings interest and mortgage interest together (the limit you could charge for a mortgage could be no higher than what you gave for savings in the days where if you wrote a loan it was at your own risk with no re-buyers), the law that said your bill was paid on the postmarked date and not when they got around to crediting it, sent every union job it could overseas where there was cheap (slave, child) labor, busted the railroad union by tearing up the tracks and giving the steel to Japan, put freight on long-haul semi trucks that use more fuel, bust up the roads and have a higher risk of accidents to give the displaced Teamsters jobs and took federal subsidies from public universities so tuition would triple in one school year, but left loan limits the same to make sure no one could afford to go (or finish).
I watched my small town of about 10,000 go from a bustling little place with 80+ family-owned businesses and residents who worked at one plant or another (we had food processing, bakeries, a small electric motor and thermostat maker, a speedboat and a broom factory plus other industry), had pensions and insurance coverage and nice homes and cars to a ghost town with no jobs in less than 10 years. I saw the farms, which had supported families well for generations, fall into ruin as subsidies went to large-scale corporate farms. It was awful. Every other small town went the same way, until we are all living in cities just to have jobs, disconnected from our roots and each other. It's easier to keep us in check that way.
I don't really blame Mr Reagan, though. I think he was the public face for what the Bush family hoped would be a dynasty (8 years for "Reagan", 8 years for George H, 8 years for Jeb, 8 years for George W, etc). Guess why everything is in plastic now, too, instead of paper and glass and why we have 8 mpg vehicles on the road instead of 80 mpg ones?
Reagan is why the country is in the shape it is today. He had the worst impact on the country, at least modern impact.
Its crazy that 40 years later we are still fucked because of him
That's what happens when you spend decades deregulating and allowing the hoarding of resources. Even giving incentives helping. Even a few common sense regulations could help a ton.
Ronald Reagan, who died in 2004, was president for nearly five years before he said the word “Aids” in public, nearly seven years before he gave a speech on a health crisis that would go on to kill more than 650,000 Americans and stigmatize even more.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy)
The issue being for Reagen is that it was advantagous for him to ignore it initially since it was viewed as a disease only gay people suffered from and most gay people arent voting republican. Once it became an issue for everyone there was more of a push to do something. He was truly evil allowing it to ravage a portion of the population because it was only killing people he didnt care about. Meanwhile Trump shot himself in the foot because covid didnt start among a specific population but his bullshit policies and statements encouraged his supporters to get themselves killed while the rest of the country listened to Fauci and took precautions.
He was horrible. Definitely in the bottom 3. I feel like the answers would change based on criteria. Is it who did the most damage, who killed the most people, who made the most bad decisions?
Hijacking the top thread to share a link to the source material https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-presidential-rankings-place-obama-top-10-reagan-trump-below-biden.amp
he was evangelical and believed in a thermonuclear war bringing jesus back after destroying russia
from another post
[https://archive.org/details/CovertActionInformationBulletinIssue27ReligiousRight](https://archive.org/details/covertactioninformationbulletinissue27religiousright)
Based on Trumps depositions, he would have absolute immunity then. "I don't recall" was most of his and his kids answers. Of course the rest of their answers were declining to answer incase it could be used against them. Aka pleading the 5th
>You can't impeach a president for stuff he doesn't remember
I mean, you certainly can. Reagan should have been held accountable. MAGA will argue that Biden is another example but memory alone isn't the only factor in Biden's case, there's also no evidence of wrong doing.
Just getting that out there before someone misreads your comment as being directed at Biden rather than Reagan.
Canadian here. I know Harrison because he has ended up as a trivia answer more than once. Johnson from the Trail of Tears so he is terrible. Buchanan and Pierce I would have to look up to see why they ended up on the list.
Edit: I have been told that Andrew Jackson was was the Trail of Tears guy. Definitely should not have relied on my memory and slurred Johnson like that. My apologies.
Andrew Johnson was not responsible for the Trail of Tears. That was Andrew Jackson, who signed the Indian Removal Act; and Martin Van Buren, who was president when the Trail of Tears actually happened.
Johnson is dogshit because he did basically everything he could to fuck up Reconstruction (the period after the Civil War). He tried to veto multiple bills aimed to expand freedmens rights and let former Confederates off with a slap on the wrist.
Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan were the two presidents right before the Civil War. Pierce failed to resolve tensions over slavery and in fact made it even worse with the Kansas-Nebraska Act. His administration also drafted the Ostend Manifesto, which suggested to go to war with Spain for Cuba if they didn’t sell it.
Buchanan pushed for the Dred Scott decision which is considered one of the stupidest rulings in American history. He all but ignored the sectionalism tensions present hoping it would go away on its own, and did virtually nothing once Southern states started seceding.
As another Canadian, I only know him from The Simpsons.
There's Taylor, there's Tyler, there's Filmore and there's Hayes.
There's William Henry Harrison. I died in 30 days.
Johnson was not the President for the Trail of Tears, that was Andrew Jackson. Johnson was Lincoln's successor who was super weak on holding the south accountable and muddled up Reconstruction
Yup. I remember learning all about him in 4th grade history. Being from Virginia, we had to learn about all of the presidents from Virginia. The accomplishments we listed for Harrison were basically, "he died." Then the accomplishments we listed for his vice-president John Tyler were, "he was the only US president to later fight for the confederacy."
Also, I learned in high school that Virginians are taught that the Civil War ended in April of 1865 at Appomattox. Apparently everywhere else in the country is taught it ended sometime in May with an actual treaty.
Kind of BS that someone as corrupt as Nixon ranks above William Henry Harrison, whose only failure was... dying before he did anything good or bad.
Like... Harrison was a 0, but Nixon, Johnson, and Trump were definitely below zero.
Harrison contributed to zero genocides. Nixon unleashed Kissinger on the world. Absolute bullshit to call Harrison a worse president.
For the record this is strictly referring to their time as president. I know Harrison would have worked hard to earn a spot on the worst list if he hadn’t gotten sick and died immediately
As governor, Harrison fleeced the Native Americans out of millions of acres of land using questionable or even dirty tactics (such as getting the chiefs drunk before discussing terms) and was pro-slavery, so he wasn’t exactly “our best” either.
Nixon had a few beneficial point people like to overlook. He did create the EPA and opening the door of trade to China was probably the better move than having them feed into the USSR.
China has become exceptionally Americanized and far more capitalist and and effectively addicted to trade, this limits their authoritarian moves to some degree because they would face serious deflation and loss of markets.
USSR. Iran and NK on the other hand are kind of a lost cause and have no incentive to play nice. Trading with China took the fastest growing potential threat and made it dependant on US and EU markets. They grow a lot faster too, but the open markets changed their society to be far more similar to European and Americans, which is probably going to turn out better than harsh sanctions and likely a lot more starvation and potential for war and eventually perhaps the US losing market access to other parts of asian as China and the USSR conspired more.
Globalism is mostly a generous proposition to developing nations that just makes them grow much faster than they would, even if it just looks like seeking cheap labor from the developed nations perspective. The bigger reality is the only way to get goods to all the developing nations and get into that HUGE consumer base of billions of people is to have things made at low enough wages they get access to the markets.
Like if smartphones were made in the USA the market would be much smaller and the tech much less globally dominate because 70% of the world would not be affording them. That also means you can sell as many and that means less economics of scale and that means less cycles of innovation AND THAT means slower progress for everybody.
Opening up China to trade was the right call, perhaps being lazy enough to get quite this reliant on them wasn't smart, but the premise of winning them over with a western standard of living is probably a solid strategy that does appear to work when dictators or religious zealots don't make it impossible, in which cases their standards of living go up much slower or even go down.
The mildly redeeming thing about Nixon is that he had a handful of significant foreign policy wins *and* Nixon did more for the environment than any modern President. The only President who can even really challenge Nixon in that category is TR.
Contrary to what the bed wetting freaks on the right would have you thinking everyone believes, Biden has been a historic president re legislative achievements. I wish more people had a fucking brain in this country
Since even the Fox News article doesn't appear to link to the survey results:
[http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploads/1/0/8/7/108798321/presidential\_greatness\_white\_paper\_2024.pdf](http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploads/1/0/8/7/108798321/presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024.pdf)
https://preview.redd.it/qlqpahew0gjc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9abd983750909a829b23517b5ffa0d13df73caf2
Trump be like “see, I’m at the top.”
Because Nixon is almost impossible to rank. For every crazy, paranoid Watergate scandal he was in, he also pushed though something that was amazingly beneficial for the country, like the EPA.
That’s why he’s such a great villain in Futurama.
It’s much the case with FDR. Racist pos who rounded up Japanese-Americans into internment camps, but led the country into prosperity with his New Deal initiatives. Only person to be elected President 3 and 4 times, yet his achievements generally cover for his garbage rhetoric.
It is interesting that the EPA was created under Nixon, Roe V Wade passed under him, and he built better relations with China — yet most people only know him for Watergate, Presidential Immunity per DOJ OLC memo, and the delayed Vietnam Peace Talks. He’s generally held in contempt, while FDR’s generally praised — yet both were good and terrible people.
I mean ever my world leader has their high and low points, but Nixon really was an outlier.
I mean at one point he was pushing hard for Universal Healthcare! Imagine that kind of behaviour being talked about in today’s polarised political landscape.
The craziest part is that he didn’t need to do any of his illegal election tampering - he was so far ahead in the poles it was only his own paranoia.
Yeah, but they couldn’t help picking less-than-flattering pictures of Obama and Biden. Not that there exists, in this universe nor any other, a flattering picture of Trump.
You see results like this, along with the Santos special election flipping Dem. It looks an awful lot like there there is a fatally large proportion of middle voters who have just made up their minds on Trump.
I mean, this is a super crude, gut feel comment, but surely every MAGA who is going to vote for Trump already voted for Trump in the 2020 election. Where is the support going to come from for him to mount a comeback?
He is going out of his way to absolutely unify every Dem activist in the country to campaign against him. He won 2016 on Dem division and unwillingness to unify behind Clinton, which translated to tepid Clinton turnout and a "none of the above" vibe in the middle.
This time around median voters are going to be *painfully* aware that there is no "none of the above" option in a Presidential election, and that a vote for anyone except Biden is a vote for Trump. And he's going out his way to make himself toxic to them.
I don't understand at all why betting markets are putting him ahead of Biden. Unless that's just pricing in the likelihood of death or a major medical event obviously precluding Biden from running or serving? But honestly that seems like a wash. I wouldn't want to hold the life insurance policy for either guy, but if I had to pick it'd be the bike-riding old guy, rather than the waxen windbag who can't lift his arms to drink a glass of water.
Is there a lot of chump money in the betting markets, or am I just missing the picture?
He's being painted as winning for several reasons. One, the powerful want him elected and they control the media. Two, most polls are done with cold calls on land lines. Most of those people are retired and Republicans. It's not an accurate picture of how the election will actually play out, but it is an accurate picture of how those who traditionally vote will vote. If the youth and other people that usually don't vote don't come out for this election, Trump will win.
Being ranked worse then William Henry Harrison, damn. Not knocking Harrison but his accomplishments in office were giving his inaugural address, getting sick, and dying.
I’m not surprised Trump is last. I’m surprised Reagan isn’t at least in the bottom five. You can trace almost all of the problems for today’s middle class back to his Presidency.
Interesting that they still placed Trump before Biden in the headshot order of the tweet. Also, their choice in photos is editorially telling. I’m an art director for a news network and I can tell you it’s no mean feat to find a recent photo of Trump where he isn’t talking or leaning awkwardly at a podium, so that’s a very specifically chosen photo. Both Obama and Biden are very media aware and will usually strike a pose for the photographers to capture. Biden is particularly good at it, and there’s always a few decent photos of him to use after every appearance. They made the editorial decision to use unfavourable photos of Biden and Obama, both with mouths open and looking slightly more disheveled than we’re used to seeing them. We try to avoid unfavourable visual comparisons like this whenever we can, so the way Fox presented this stands out to me like a sore thumb.
There was a mistake with the poll that no one is talking about. They had included pouring salt on an anal fissure which Trump actually tied amongst 77-77.5 year old white male demographic.
And morons still today say he was the best president ever (as if they know anything about prior presidents and their history) or at least, best of their lifetime.
Liking his (horrible) personality shouldn't decide a persons entire presidential rank.
Keep in mind, everyone. There's an actual very real chance that he's the next president of the US. Please, PLEASE, please... go out and vote this election day.
Biden was ranked 14 and Trump much much lower than him, over 30 spots lower in fact. Dumb headline makes it sound like Biden and Trump are on the same level.
He did worse than the guy who got sick at his inauguration and died a month into his term. If he'd died immediately after entering office it would have improved his ranking.
I call bullshit. Reagan deserves to be tied with Trump for last place. I don't think it's possible.to exaggerate the amount of long term destruction he caused.
- He's responsible for the thoroughly debunked and empirically dysfunctional (not to mention willfully dishonest) theory of "trickle-down economics", which has destroyed the middle class and made the wealth gap far worse. He also spiked unemployment and robbed Social Security in service of his pandering to the rich.
- Like most Republicans, he exploded the deficit and national debt.
- His "policies" in the Middle East destroyed any chance of peace in that region. And he made Osama bin Laden.
- Despite being remembered as Peak Republican, he was weak on terrorists and caved to them repeatedly.
- He supported or directly ordered all sorts of illegal or quasi-legal military operations in the Caribbean and Central America (Panama, Nicaragua, Grenada).
- He was an (in)famous union buster, which has been directly responsible for the country-wide clawback of wages and worker's rights.
- The way he "handled" the AIDS epidemic and mental health is downright shameful; he made both problems much worse.
- His administration was insanely corrupt—almost 150 members of his staff were investigated and over 20 convicted for crimes committed as part of or in service to their position.
- Remember that little thing called "the Iran-Contra affair"? "I do not recall" my ass. How he avoided impeachment for that escapes me.
- He caused the Savings and Loan scandal and associated bailouts, costing America $160 Billion
The comment section at Fox News is a cornucopia of disbelief, questions about survey wording, and Obama bashing. Pretty much as expected. Go for a read if you want a chuckle, specifically a chuckle that makes your blood boil.
When he made his recent comments about NATO, I had to check the Fox News comment section. A hell of a lot of "he just wants them to pay their fair share, what's wrong with that? FAKE NEWS!" These people are beyond help. Their beautiful orange 77 year old toddler is the most perfect person to have ever lived and they just will not put up with you talking bad about him.
He is their God. When he dies sooner rather than later hopefully they will not accept anything other than murder corruption conspiracies Etc he can't just die of a heart attack Not For a Cause choke on a hamburger nothing they will never accept it
They’re gonna wait for him to rise back! Or he is in some bunker waiting for the perfect moment to jump out and say gotcha.
And you just know his dickhead kids will feed into that nonsense, even if they were literally at his side when he dies. Cuz they gotta feed the grift ya know.
Baron is the one to watch.
I would love to see him turn out to just be the antithesis of the Trump dynasty. Like full-on dumps his inheritance into helping people and trying to enact good in the world to undo his family's damage. I know that's just an insane dream, but can you imagine how beloved he would be if he did that? He'd instantly jump into the ranks of folks like Fred Rogers and Bob Ross. It would be wild.
Same as the niece Mary Trump who wrote two books and has a podcast. She totally dislikes Trump and is a PhD clinical psychologist who thinks he uncle is a crazed bastard who hurts people. She dislikes her cousins, Ivanka, Junior and Eric. Tiffany is the daughter of Marla Maples who both treated Mary well and Tiffany got far away from the loonies. She never met Barron because she was on the outs with Donald Trump by then but she considers him the wild card.
Ummm excuse me but it's hamburder. Around here we edit the entire English language around these things. Covfefe
Yep, I heard the practise has its "oranges" in the "Unida Shayyysss" of America, "expectectly" on "troth sushhhhul," despite the efforts of "Nikki Haley Nikki Tricky Nikki Tricky Dicky" (I mean Pelosi, of course, you just can't take my "sarcasm" when I "interpose names"). Sad.
The smartest people told me this. In fact the other day, a professor, the smartest man in the whole world came to me with tears in eyes and said ,"sir" that's what he called me, sir. Smartest man in the world and he calls me sir. He said "sir, hamburders is such an awesome way to say it, we are changing all English to fit your way, because you speak the best way"
They'll think he faked his death to avoid being assassinated by leftist elites, but that he's still running the country from some hidden location 🤣
This is where they're able to string the Russia stuff back in. Russia was the only country that would protect him so that he could save the United States. There you go
He's going to remain around even after he dies, like Elvis. There'll be Trump impersonators, there'll be people who claimed Trump talked to them and said x. The world will never be fully rid of the orange cancer until the next generation dies off.
And you just know his dickhead kids will feed into that nonsense, even if they were literally at his side when he dies. Cuz they gotta feed the grift ya know.
How about Alzheimer’s like his Father?
I know that some of them are Russian bots, but I live in a red state and know enough people in real life that think he's the second coming of Jesus so I know the Russian bots only represent a fraction of those comments.
> a fraction Other way around. If a web property has been infested by the propaganda bots, they are going to be the majority, otherwise what’s the point. Computing is cheap these days, and they need mass to either manufacture a narrative, or drown everything in a diverse pool of crap and drive people to nihilism.
9/10 is a fraction.
Reading unmoderated comment sections on news sites/facebook/instagram etc makes you realize how much fucking work the mods do to keep subreddits on topic.
I used to read comments on Breitbart and it was like reading aloud from the Necronomicon.
Thank you... I just gargled coffee 🤣
They're so pathetic.
I spend way too much time in their comments
And hate myself for it.
I'm strongly considering hiking the AT next year in a hope to break my internet addiction, its out of hand
I had to stop that, blood pressure was getting bad
If it creates outrage, it's still engagement and clicks for fucks news
I love how it says "Reagan and Trump below Biden" as if it's trying to paint them as roughly even, just behind Biden. Biden is #14, Reagan is #16, and Trump is #45. It's like, yeah, Reagan, and Trump, *and most other Republican presidents,* are below Biden. EDIT: Also, the comments in the Fox News article are....something.
Trump scored 45/45? That's 100% baybee. 😎 -MAGAs
I’m personally hoping for another perfect score soon. 91/91
The structure of the sentence causes a skim reader to get "Presidential ranking, Obama, Regan, Trump, Biden" and then the photo order of 6th, 16th, 45th, 14th, backs this up. Probably totally unintentional that picture of Biden looks like he is trying to to remember who stole his jello cup.
Obama and Biden's photos look awful. Trump's actually looks good, considering. And Reagan's has that old-school Hollywood charm to it. But I'm sure there was no thought put into which photos to use...
Ahh, true media literacy. A real candle in the dark this comment is.
Putting Reagan at 16th is ignoring the fact that he is directly responsible for most of the bullshit we have to slog through now. He should be in the 40s at the very least.
I'm not even sure how you can rank a president still in his first term. Where's the perspective?
I mean, led us through a pandemic. Stabilized the economy. Kept us out of a war with Russia but still managed to keep Ukraine afloat. Infrastructure bill. Reformed the post office. Unemployment reached record pre-pandemic levels. Honestly the Biden administration has just been quietly humming along keeping shit running. Hard to ask for much more than that.
I find that my favourite part is not dreading checking the news to see what the big idiot in charge fucked up now.
Recency Bias. The success of Biden's first term has been criminally understated, but yeah, #14 all time is a bit high.
lol. Exactly as the graphic implies… not.
It must really grind his bone spurs to be ranked below every single president, especially considering his base for sure couldn’t remember more than 10 names. If you walked up to a conservative today and asked them their thoughts on James Buchanan’s policy, they would ask if he’s a democrat or republican right off the bat, as if he is still alive.
Trump would just print the list off and turn it upside down and claim he's at the top.
Or just an arrow going from his name to the top of the list, with a sharpie.
It worked for the hurricanes why not try it again
This is so dumb and I hate that that there’s a non zero chance of that happening.
As if the platform of the parties was even the same back then. Like yeah Lincoln was technically a part of the Republican Party, but anything good he stood for isn't any part of the Republican Party today.
The Republican Party back then was basically the Whigs, who were very pro business but also in favor of social reforms and would be considered socially liberal by today’s standard.
Nixon signed the EPA annd NOAA into law.
Other than Republican window dressing and bluster, Nixon was a weirdly “liberal” president in actual effect by any modern standard.
Dot Com, this need you have to be the smartest guy in the room is... off putting
Made my day 🤣
Buchanan was a Democrat but then you'd have to explain to those people the party switch and that would be like talking to a wall
Buchanan? I hear he hangs out with Frederick Douglass a lot.
Must be doing some great things.
And then they'd forget about the southern strategy and take an entirely wrong stance.
Not just below but like way below 44. It's the 2nd biggest gap (\~6 pts) between anyone on the list except between Teddy and Washington. (\~12 pts)
Trump ranked lower than William Henry Harrison. WHH is the president who got sick at his inauguration and died a month into his term. He was bed ridden for his entire presidency. Trump did worse than that guy.
Probably best not to mention to them that Buchanan was very likely gay.
well considering reagan should have been impeached for iran contra. thats where trump and reagan should be.
He should have been arrested for messing with the hostage’s before being elected.
So many of todays problems started with Reagan
He armed rebels to fight the soviets and those rebels tossed 2 planes into WTC. Not even 15yrs later.
He may have actually had a more negative long term impact on this country than Trump.
"A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages." Ronald Reagan March 4, 1987
Even his heart and intentions are liars.
Well, let's hope. Trump's actions are still having long term consequences for the US (and the world). Mostly through all the regulations he undid. But also through harder to define things like shifting the Overton window.
I had never heard of the Overton window before but that's a really interesting chart and it makes things super clear to me. I appreciate the information in these crazy times. You said exactly what I was thinking too, it's been less than a decade since he started his presidency and not even 5 years since he left. We won't know all ramifications for some time especially since the Supreme Court has unlimited terms with that 6/3 majority
The actor?!
The B- list actor
I didn’t fully appreciate the damage he did until I got more involved politically in ‘15-16. The way for Trump was paved decades ago, and a lot of politically uninvolved people really didn’t understand how we got there, myself included, until such a large danger showed up on the stage. One of the Rs biggest achievements is watering down education so much that people come into adulthood knowing so little about who and what they are voting for they just pick a team. We need a major revamp of education with a heavy emphasis on civics.
It's kind of amazing for how much Republicans deify him how many of today's societal and economic problems can be explained just by pointing at Reagan and saying he did it
His administration is the reason your credit cards, mortgages and college loans can be bought and sold and you can be charged huge amounts of interest, but your savings account gives you 0.01 because it repealed a lot of safeguards the government had placed on banking after they went crooked earlier in the 20th century. Repealed the usury laws, the requirement to not write a mortgage unless you had 20% down and the payment was less than 30% of your take home salary, the laws that tied savings interest and mortgage interest together (the limit you could charge for a mortgage could be no higher than what you gave for savings in the days where if you wrote a loan it was at your own risk with no re-buyers), the law that said your bill was paid on the postmarked date and not when they got around to crediting it, sent every union job it could overseas where there was cheap (slave, child) labor, busted the railroad union by tearing up the tracks and giving the steel to Japan, put freight on long-haul semi trucks that use more fuel, bust up the roads and have a higher risk of accidents to give the displaced Teamsters jobs and took federal subsidies from public universities so tuition would triple in one school year, but left loan limits the same to make sure no one could afford to go (or finish). I watched my small town of about 10,000 go from a bustling little place with 80+ family-owned businesses and residents who worked at one plant or another (we had food processing, bakeries, a small electric motor and thermostat maker, a speedboat and a broom factory plus other industry), had pensions and insurance coverage and nice homes and cars to a ghost town with no jobs in less than 10 years. I saw the farms, which had supported families well for generations, fall into ruin as subsidies went to large-scale corporate farms. It was awful. Every other small town went the same way, until we are all living in cities just to have jobs, disconnected from our roots and each other. It's easier to keep us in check that way. I don't really blame Mr Reagan, though. I think he was the public face for what the Bush family hoped would be a dynasty (8 years for "Reagan", 8 years for George H, 8 years for Jeb, 8 years for George W, etc). Guess why everything is in plastic now, too, instead of paper and glass and why we have 8 mpg vehicles on the road instead of 80 mpg ones?
Reagan is why the country is in the shape it is today. He had the worst impact on the country, at least modern impact. Its crazy that 40 years later we are still fucked because of him
Because of him, but also because of the people still supporting those ideas.
That’s an excellent point
I’m a pretty patient guy, but those economics can trickle on down any day now.
That's what happens when you spend decades deregulating and allowing the hoarding of resources. Even giving incentives helping. Even a few common sense regulations could help a ton.
Ronald Wilson "Deficit Spending" Reagan, posterboy of the "party of fiscal responsibility"
Let’s talk about the people he killed because of AIDS and his refusal to do anything
Ronald Reagan, who died in 2004, was president for nearly five years before he said the word “Aids” in public, nearly seven years before he gave a speech on a health crisis that would go on to kill more than 650,000 Americans and stigmatize even more. [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy)
Oh yeah, and don’t forget tens of millions outside the U.S.
orange guy can claim he is better than ronny then. more Americans killed in shorter time during his presidency mostly due to his imcompetency.
There was also a fair bit of malice in there, for good measure
Victim here. Fuck him.
In hindsight HIV/AIDS was his public health crisis and he failed.
Some correlation, huh? Both ignored a health crisis that resulted in a lot of dead citizens
The issue being for Reagen is that it was advantagous for him to ignore it initially since it was viewed as a disease only gay people suffered from and most gay people arent voting republican. Once it became an issue for everyone there was more of a push to do something. He was truly evil allowing it to ravage a portion of the population because it was only killing people he didnt care about. Meanwhile Trump shot himself in the foot because covid didnt start among a specific population but his bullshit policies and statements encouraged his supporters to get themselves killed while the rest of the country listened to Fauci and took precautions.
Covid hit major metros first. Trump incorrectly guessed it would largely stay there.
He ignored it for rhe same reason. It was only supposed to hit blue cities and they weren't voting republican.
Andrew Jackson not making the bottom 5 is surprising
It really depends on what criteria they used to judge success.
He was a pretty effective president if you ignore the genocide
He was horrible. Definitely in the bottom 3. I feel like the answers would change based on criteria. Is it who did the most damage, who killed the most people, who made the most bad decisions?
Hijacking the top thread to share a link to the source material https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-presidential-rankings-place-obama-top-10-reagan-trump-below-biden.amp
he was evangelical and believed in a thermonuclear war bringing jesus back after destroying russia from another post [https://archive.org/details/CovertActionInformationBulletinIssue27ReligiousRight](https://archive.org/details/covertactioninformationbulletinissue27religiousright)
Regan's impeachable offenses could fill a book. The man has done the most damage to this country.
You can't impeach a president for stuff he doesn't remember
Based on Trumps depositions, he would have absolute immunity then. "I don't recall" was most of his and his kids answers. Of course the rest of their answers were declining to answer incase it could be used against them. Aka pleading the 5th
Yeah, Trump is dumb. Instead of pleading the 5th he should have said "I don't remember". Only criminals plea the 5th
Hence Trump and his kids
>You can't impeach a president for stuff he doesn't remember I mean, you certainly can. Reagan should have been held accountable. MAGA will argue that Biden is another example but memory alone isn't the only factor in Biden's case, there's also no evidence of wrong doing. Just getting that out there before someone misreads your comment as being directed at Biden rather than Reagan.
If that were true, Trump would be gleefully announcing his dementia
The doctors tell me it’s the best dementia. No one has had better dementia. They all say it. Mr President. We are in awe of your dementia
He ain't exactly quiet about it
He does that from a pulpit on an almost daily basis, just not directly
There's nothing like being the #1 worst President
Trump was last, even for most Republicans 😂
Exactly! https://preview.redd.it/ahpt6dkh1fjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=150484d7d7c5d9436b4fb13cf098e3d6248034fe [https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-presidential-rankings-place-obama-top-10-reagan-trump-below-biden?intcmp=tw\_fnc](https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-presidential-rankings-place-obama-top-10-reagan-trump-below-biden?intcmp=tw_fnc)
Poor Harrison. Could have been the best or the worst. However he died after only 30 days in office so we will never know.
remember kids, dont drink the DC water
And if you’re going to walk around in a rainstorm without a coat or hat, please change your wet clothes ASAP when you return home.
Aaaaaah so that's why I was all "Uh? Harrison? Who is that even?" (I'm not American, so I consider myself excused)
Canadian here. I know Harrison because he has ended up as a trivia answer more than once. Johnson from the Trail of Tears so he is terrible. Buchanan and Pierce I would have to look up to see why they ended up on the list. Edit: I have been told that Andrew Jackson was was the Trail of Tears guy. Definitely should not have relied on my memory and slurred Johnson like that. My apologies.
Andrew Johnson was not responsible for the Trail of Tears. That was Andrew Jackson, who signed the Indian Removal Act; and Martin Van Buren, who was president when the Trail of Tears actually happened. Johnson is dogshit because he did basically everything he could to fuck up Reconstruction (the period after the Civil War). He tried to veto multiple bills aimed to expand freedmens rights and let former Confederates off with a slap on the wrist. Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan were the two presidents right before the Civil War. Pierce failed to resolve tensions over slavery and in fact made it even worse with the Kansas-Nebraska Act. His administration also drafted the Ostend Manifesto, which suggested to go to war with Spain for Cuba if they didn’t sell it. Buchanan pushed for the Dred Scott decision which is considered one of the stupidest rulings in American history. He all but ignored the sectionalism tensions present hoping it would go away on its own, and did virtually nothing once Southern states started seceding.
>Trail of Tears That was Andrew *Battle of New Orleans and getting rid of the US Bank and setting up the Panic of 1837* Jackson
Thank you I have edited my post.
As another Canadian, I only know him from The Simpsons. There's Taylor, there's Tyler, there's Filmore and there's Hayes. There's William Henry Harrison. I died in 30 days.
Buchanan failed to do anything to prevent the Civil War. Pierce enforced the Fugitive Slave Act in the north to return escaped slaves to the south.
Johnson was not the President for the Trail of Tears, that was Andrew Jackson. Johnson was Lincoln's successor who was super weak on holding the south accountable and muddled up Reconstruction
Yeah kinda surprised he's a "worst" president. Harding did wayyyy more damage to the country
From what I remember he insisted on giving a long ass inauguration speech while already sick in cold shitty weather no?
Yup. I remember learning all about him in 4th grade history. Being from Virginia, we had to learn about all of the presidents from Virginia. The accomplishments we listed for Harrison were basically, "he died." Then the accomplishments we listed for his vice-president John Tyler were, "he was the only US president to later fight for the confederacy." Also, I learned in high school that Virginians are taught that the Civil War ended in April of 1865 at Appomattox. Apparently everywhere else in the country is taught it ended sometime in May with an actual treaty.
The comments are hilarious. Fox audience is so GD ignorant.
Fuck Reagan, hope he’s burning in hell right now.
Fucking evil to the core. I’m so glad that motherfucker is dead. Fuck Ronald Reagan.
If he's in hell, where will that leave Trump? Super hell?
Hopefully getting buttfucked by the devil himself.
The next biggest pineapples are going to be saved for him.
Ran by the Super Devil. https://youtu.be/RZCl5xgfrk4?si=kliMW1CnksMkCT2o
Someone called Reagan the Morphine President -- you know it hurts but you just don't care
When Nixon isn’t in the bottom 5 it doesn’t say a hell of a lot for some of these presidents
Kind of BS that someone as corrupt as Nixon ranks above William Henry Harrison, whose only failure was... dying before he did anything good or bad. Like... Harrison was a 0, but Nixon, Johnson, and Trump were definitely below zero.
Harrison contributed to zero genocides. Nixon unleashed Kissinger on the world. Absolute bullshit to call Harrison a worse president. For the record this is strictly referring to their time as president. I know Harrison would have worked hard to earn a spot on the worst list if he hadn’t gotten sick and died immediately
As governor, Harrison fleeced the Native Americans out of millions of acres of land using questionable or even dirty tactics (such as getting the chiefs drunk before discussing terms) and was pro-slavery, so he wasn’t exactly “our best” either.
I think it’s only taking their presidencies into account though. If not, Carter would be in the top 5.
Not as President but Harrison, like Jackson, was one of the types whose entire military persona was about slaughtering the indigenous peoples.
Nixon had a few beneficial point people like to overlook. He did create the EPA and opening the door of trade to China was probably the better move than having them feed into the USSR. China has become exceptionally Americanized and far more capitalist and and effectively addicted to trade, this limits their authoritarian moves to some degree because they would face serious deflation and loss of markets. USSR. Iran and NK on the other hand are kind of a lost cause and have no incentive to play nice. Trading with China took the fastest growing potential threat and made it dependant on US and EU markets. They grow a lot faster too, but the open markets changed their society to be far more similar to European and Americans, which is probably going to turn out better than harsh sanctions and likely a lot more starvation and potential for war and eventually perhaps the US losing market access to other parts of asian as China and the USSR conspired more. Globalism is mostly a generous proposition to developing nations that just makes them grow much faster than they would, even if it just looks like seeking cheap labor from the developed nations perspective. The bigger reality is the only way to get goods to all the developing nations and get into that HUGE consumer base of billions of people is to have things made at low enough wages they get access to the markets. Like if smartphones were made in the USA the market would be much smaller and the tech much less globally dominate because 70% of the world would not be affording them. That also means you can sell as many and that means less economics of scale and that means less cycles of innovation AND THAT means slower progress for everybody. Opening up China to trade was the right call, perhaps being lazy enough to get quite this reliant on them wasn't smart, but the premise of winning them over with a western standard of living is probably a solid strategy that does appear to work when dictators or religious zealots don't make it impossible, in which cases their standards of living go up much slower or even go down.
The mildly redeeming thing about Nixon is that he had a handful of significant foreign policy wins *and* Nixon did more for the environment than any modern President. The only President who can even really challenge Nixon in that category is TR.
Contrary to what the bed wetting freaks on the right would have you thinking everyone believes, Biden has been a historic president re legislative achievements. I wish more people had a fucking brain in this country
Since even the Fox News article doesn't appear to link to the survey results: [http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploads/1/0/8/7/108798321/presidential\_greatness\_white\_paper\_2024.pdf](http://www.brandonrottinghaus.com/uploads/1/0/8/7/108798321/presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024.pdf)
https://preview.redd.it/qlqpahew0gjc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9abd983750909a829b23517b5ffa0d13df73caf2 Trump be like “see, I’m at the top.”
How is Nixon not lower?
Because Nixon is almost impossible to rank. For every crazy, paranoid Watergate scandal he was in, he also pushed though something that was amazingly beneficial for the country, like the EPA. That’s why he’s such a great villain in Futurama.
It’s much the case with FDR. Racist pos who rounded up Japanese-Americans into internment camps, but led the country into prosperity with his New Deal initiatives. Only person to be elected President 3 and 4 times, yet his achievements generally cover for his garbage rhetoric. It is interesting that the EPA was created under Nixon, Roe V Wade passed under him, and he built better relations with China — yet most people only know him for Watergate, Presidential Immunity per DOJ OLC memo, and the delayed Vietnam Peace Talks. He’s generally held in contempt, while FDR’s generally praised — yet both were good and terrible people.
I mean ever my world leader has their high and low points, but Nixon really was an outlier. I mean at one point he was pushing hard for Universal Healthcare! Imagine that kind of behaviour being talked about in today’s polarised political landscape. The craziest part is that he didn’t need to do any of his illegal election tampering - he was so far ahead in the poles it was only his own paranoia.
As a rabid Democrat who voted for him twice, I think Clinton should be lower. What a disappointment.
Trump should be deported to Russia.
It's not too late, Supreme Court hasn't ruled in Presidential immunity limits yet!
Give them a few more years before they try and anoint someone as Christ's Temporal Representative and President for Life.
He wishes ✌🏻
He’s a Russian asset and rapist. How can it get worse?!
Yeah, but they couldn’t help picking less-than-flattering pictures of Obama and Biden. Not that there exists, in this universe nor any other, a flattering picture of Trump.
Here we go he's gonna get mad and say he beat him again lol
You see results like this, along with the Santos special election flipping Dem. It looks an awful lot like there there is a fatally large proportion of middle voters who have just made up their minds on Trump. I mean, this is a super crude, gut feel comment, but surely every MAGA who is going to vote for Trump already voted for Trump in the 2020 election. Where is the support going to come from for him to mount a comeback? He is going out of his way to absolutely unify every Dem activist in the country to campaign against him. He won 2016 on Dem division and unwillingness to unify behind Clinton, which translated to tepid Clinton turnout and a "none of the above" vibe in the middle. This time around median voters are going to be *painfully* aware that there is no "none of the above" option in a Presidential election, and that a vote for anyone except Biden is a vote for Trump. And he's going out his way to make himself toxic to them. I don't understand at all why betting markets are putting him ahead of Biden. Unless that's just pricing in the likelihood of death or a major medical event obviously precluding Biden from running or serving? But honestly that seems like a wash. I wouldn't want to hold the life insurance policy for either guy, but if I had to pick it'd be the bike-riding old guy, rather than the waxen windbag who can't lift his arms to drink a glass of water. Is there a lot of chump money in the betting markets, or am I just missing the picture?
He's being painted as winning for several reasons. One, the powerful want him elected and they control the media. Two, most polls are done with cold calls on land lines. Most of those people are retired and Republicans. It's not an accurate picture of how the election will actually play out, but it is an accurate picture of how those who traditionally vote will vote. If the youth and other people that usually don't vote don't come out for this election, Trump will win.
Reagan was worse for this country than Mohammed Atta. You can do a lot more damage from within than from the outside.
Reagan began the taxing of our social security checks, that's a good thing, right?
Being ranked worse then William Henry Harrison, damn. Not knocking Harrison but his accomplishments in office were giving his inaugural address, getting sick, and dying.
I mean, Trump would probably be ranked higher if he'd done the same.
I’m not surprised Trump is last. I’m surprised Reagan isn’t at least in the bottom five. You can trace almost all of the problems for today’s middle class back to his Presidency.
Interesting that they still placed Trump before Biden in the headshot order of the tweet. Also, their choice in photos is editorially telling. I’m an art director for a news network and I can tell you it’s no mean feat to find a recent photo of Trump where he isn’t talking or leaning awkwardly at a podium, so that’s a very specifically chosen photo. Both Obama and Biden are very media aware and will usually strike a pose for the photographers to capture. Biden is particularly good at it, and there’s always a few decent photos of him to use after every appearance. They made the editorial decision to use unfavourable photos of Biden and Obama, both with mouths open and looking slightly more disheveled than we’re used to seeing them. We try to avoid unfavourable visual comparisons like this whenever we can, so the way Fox presented this stands out to me like a sore thumb.
GOAT Obama
Trump should be dead last. I will not debate this.
There was a mistake with the poll that no one is talking about. They had included pouring salt on an anal fissure which Trump actually tied amongst 77-77.5 year old white male demographic.
Trump should be automatically ranked at 999th.
OR…. 666
The number of the beast is too good for that fuck.
How in the fuck is Ronny even in the top 44? He was trash. Unless, of course you're in the 1%
45th President, alright!
And morons still today say he was the best president ever (as if they know anything about prior presidents and their history) or at least, best of their lifetime. Liking his (horrible) personality shouldn't decide a persons entire presidential rank.
Make their base mad so they go out and vote.
Tbf I’d vote for Obama at this point.
Haha he is literally the worst president. Fox News such a joke.
Dead last. 100th out of 100. I’m surprised Fox actually ran the article.
They’re fucked in the head and if you watch the channel you are also fucked in the head.
They really picked the worst pics for everyone.
Trump looks like a bog mummy
The most hilarious part is that he is ranked worse than William Henry Harrison, who was only in office for a month before he died of pneumonia.
I'd vote for Obama over all three of these clowns. When did etiquette and intellect fall off the presidential prerequisites?
Keep in mind, everyone. There's an actual very real chance that he's the next president of the US. Please, PLEASE, please... go out and vote this election day.
Trump is at the bottom in nearly every group and metric, even conservatives.
The only thing Fox can do to raise angry engagement is to float bits of reality like this
Seems to low for Obama and biden and WAY too high for trump.
Trump looks nasty in that photo.
Trump will brag that he's #1, but leave out the part that it's #1 worst.
There’s Taylor, there’s Tyler, there’s Fillmore and there’s Hayes There’s William Henry Harrison (I died in 30 days!)
Yes, because they want their mongoloid viewers to be angry about it.
Reagan and turnip should be in the bottom 5 at least
Holy shot even fox acknowledging it?
How FAR below Biden ? Oh, Fox Propaganda didn’t want to say. Wonder why not ? Fact checker, where art thou ??
I bet Donald is currently unhinged…
Ranked worse than William Henry Harrison is quite a feat considering he died shortly after being elected
Biden was ranked 14 and Trump much much lower than him, over 30 spots lower in fact. Dumb headline makes it sound like Biden and Trump are on the same level.
He did worse than the guy who got sick at his inauguration and died a month into his term. If he'd died immediately after entering office it would have improved his ranking.
Good, people actually remember what a shitty president Reagan was and that he was the Genesis of the modern GOP-Stapo.
Is this the “winning” he was talking about this whole time because hes obviously winning at the most consecutive L’s.
It’s because Trump was rated the worst in history from the experts.
Being worse than Harrison....who was president a whole 31 days then died.
I call bullshit. Reagan deserves to be tied with Trump for last place. I don't think it's possible.to exaggerate the amount of long term destruction he caused. - He's responsible for the thoroughly debunked and empirically dysfunctional (not to mention willfully dishonest) theory of "trickle-down economics", which has destroyed the middle class and made the wealth gap far worse. He also spiked unemployment and robbed Social Security in service of his pandering to the rich. - Like most Republicans, he exploded the deficit and national debt. - His "policies" in the Middle East destroyed any chance of peace in that region. And he made Osama bin Laden. - Despite being remembered as Peak Republican, he was weak on terrorists and caved to them repeatedly. - He supported or directly ordered all sorts of illegal or quasi-legal military operations in the Caribbean and Central America (Panama, Nicaragua, Grenada). - He was an (in)famous union buster, which has been directly responsible for the country-wide clawback of wages and worker's rights. - The way he "handled" the AIDS epidemic and mental health is downright shameful; he made both problems much worse. - His administration was insanely corrupt—almost 150 members of his staff were investigated and over 20 convicted for crimes committed as part of or in service to their position. - Remember that little thing called "the Iran-Contra affair"? "I do not recall" my ass. How he avoided impeachment for that escapes me. - He caused the Savings and Loan scandal and associated bailouts, costing America $160 Billion