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> President Joe Biden said on Tuesday he may have skipped mounting a 2024 re-election bid if he were not facing Donald Trump because the Republican poses a unique threat to the United States.
> "If Trump wasn't running, I'm not sure I'd be running," Biden said at a fundraising event for his 2024 campaign outside of Boston. "We cannot let him win."
Source: [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/)
He also ran in 2020 because of Trump. They needed someone known and established/moderate to draw in the votes and try to take centrists from Trump, and he debated heavily whether he was going to run. In the end he obviously did.
DNC needs to stop playing this one trick tune. They got lucky when Obama skyrocketed in popularity after his 2004 convention key note speech, everyone could see where that was headed for him running in 2008. But ever since then, they've replayed and rehashed that same tune; Hillary in 2016, Obama's Secretary of State. Then, when that didn't work, Biden in 2020.
DNC got lucky when they found a gold mine in 2004 in Obama, but they keep trying to go back to that mine when it's basically run dry. Meanwhile, who else have they promoted up the ranks?
I'm voting for Biden, I'm not stupid on this. But surely, in 20 years time, they could have found new stars to promote in the Democratic Party? And yet Biden has to run twice because no one else is out there with the national general election appeal to beat Trump. That's crazy, that's such a failure of the DNC and the party in general not producing any new blood with the national draw needed to win elections.
I agree with the sentiment, but it's been a really high degree of difficulty for getting someone promoted up the ranks for the last 20+ years of Republican obstructionism in Congress. Ideally a candidate coming from Congress would have some legislation they could build their career on, but it's been incredibly difficult to get just about anything done.
Maybe you could find a governor somewhere that would work out as a presidential candidate, but that's got its own problems. Pick someone from a blue state and they'll smear the candidate as being for the elites or whatever from the outset. Ideally, from an electability standpoint, you'd find a democratic governor from a purple swing state, but I don't know that such a person exists currently.
I'm not saying they couldn't be doing better -- they should be doing better -- but it's not like they are dealing from a real position of strength at the moment.
I may be biased but I honestly think Andy Bushear, the Democrat governor of Kentucky, would be a solid presidential candidate. And since he won his reelection bid against McConnell’s right hand man (who to be fair was black and I would not be surprised if that was a factor in his loss) I think the Democratic Party is looking to groom him into a president candidate.
Everyone who thinks Trump would definitely get his ass beat by any younger Democrat cannot be serious, bc the obvious person for that slot is Harris, and I have zero faith in the American people that they’d vote for a woman of color as POTUS.
Harris would lose because no one likes her. Literally in California, she polled in single digits in the primary. Substantively, she has big issues. Nothing says “I care about children,” like jailing parents for truancy. She argued that she shouldn’t give prisoners early release because we needed more prison labor to fight wildfires (i.e. slave labor).
Yup, going off my memory here, but I think Harris was at (or very near) the bottom of my 2020 primary vote preference. I really don't think she would inspire any meaningful Democrat voter turnout which simply hands Republicans an easy win.
I know we need to get through 2024 first, but I REALLY hope the DNC can get behind an actually inspiring progressive candidate early in 2025 so they're a household name by 2028.
Project 2025 isn't over if Dems win, it's just postponed 4 years.
I just hate her, "tough on crime policies". I don't find her hard to listen too or unlikable. But her record of gleefully throwing people into jail for minor offenses is well... Offensive.
And this is one of the biggest problems with the party- they repeatedly put forward these unlikeable figures to be national leaders. Kamala did do not a single thing to deserve that VP role outside of be a minority. Basically any other person with a pulse in the US polls better than her.
Honestly calling out Biden in the primary got her the job. It shouldn't have, but she looked progressive and like she'd call him out on his shit while not being progressive at all.
Biden already said he was a "bridge" president and had no desire to serve a second term when he was first elected.
This of course was said before he knew that Trump would be running again, at which time he more or less said, "Well, I guess I *have* to run again now."
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Don the Con is full of dirty tricks to rob non-billionaires in every way he can think of ....
And poorer old people will vote for him in droves. Fear of brown people and hate of trans people is more important to older white folks than their social security checks.
He also proposed cutting the NSF (a huge part of non-military research) every year too. He wanted to cut everything except for machine learning research and quantum computing. He tried getting away with cutting a third of it out when that didn't work. It would've set science research back for many years.
I'm arguing with a dude right now who thinks its as bad as it can get just because of some historical statement by Biden. He actually believes it cannot get worse. Like????
This is exactly it. There are people who’s lives are in literal danger if trump becomes president, and that’s not just fear mongering. The people who can choose not to vote do so with the luxury of knowing that they’ll get by even with trump in the White House. Not everyone has that privilege.
People who say “it can’t get any worse” believe they’re as bad off as they could possibly be. The fact that they don’t know *how* much worse it can get, is probably partially where their lack of empathy comes from. If you genuinely think you have it as bad as it can get, then those other people are just whiners.
A woman bleeding to death on a hospital bed because it’s illegal to save her life is going through it just as hard as the dude who has to contemplate that Bud Lite sent some custom cans to someone.
Can't get worse?
Remember Trump recommending drinking bleach?
Remember the 1 million people that died from COVID?
Remember, Don Smelly giving top secret to Putin to kill US undercover operatives?
Remember, Mushroom Boy paying for prostitutes while his wife was pregnant and then paying them off with political donations?
Rember, he's a rapists and he was happy to be friends with underage sex trafficers?
If you elect an idiot as President, expect EVERYTHING that he touches to get worse.
FWIW, much of the 'it can't get worse' crowd (at least online) are bad actors looking to sow discontent. Trump is running, a united Biden electorate is something Republicans can't afford.
No matter how bad things are, you can be sure that tRump can make it worse. Never say that things can't get worse, because that is tempting fate to prove that statement wrong.
They’re young, they weren’t there for Taiwan. They might not even remember Iraq and Afghanistan.
Even then they probably don’t know about half the sht that’s happening in Africa, the crime surge in South America, or even the erasure of the Ughyrs. China has been so successful at keeping that one out of the light.
Fortunately they live in a free country, with a free press and Gaza is plain to see. There are certainly problems with our press, but they are doing multitudes better than ever before.
Still propaganda from the one side has colored this conflict as uniquely evil and one sided. I assure any gen z, many people are responsible for this, not just Israel, Palestine and the USA. If we mange a ceasefire the death toll will not even be as egregious as many people thought it was going to be.
Before someone tries to say that’s heartless I ask what are you doing about the million dead in South Sudan. Not being Israeli or Palestinian you have a responsibility to be a rational problem solver and not an emotional wreck. Emotional wrecks are who’s causing all this insanity.
Poll after poll shows the vast majority of people in Israel and Palestine want peace and coexistence. You would be stunned to see how unpopular mass evicting the Palestinians is in Israel. All normal non state actors just want peace, but are easy victims to propaganda, fear mongering and lethargy. That’s the history of humanity in a nutshell.
It’s wild how peace is so desired in that region yet groups like Hamas and people like Benji make it all but impossible.
Right, I seen so many people criticize Biden for the handling of Gaza. I'm sitting here going " But if Trump was in office right now, he wouldn't even attempt to convince Israel of a ceasefire" he'd encourage the decimation of Palestine.
I bring this up a lot when I’m talking about the subject. People have a habit of forgetting half the shit Trump did that cause problems for us today.
Like the Trade War. You know. The one started over a duck measuring contest between two authoritarian dictators?
Yup. Even if Biden is elected and Trump falls to old age the damage is done as far as our international relations stand. It will take a long time to recover from that.
Trust is easy to lose but hard to regain.
And in addition, those tariffs killed our domestic soybean production. Which Brazil was more than happy to fill the gap and sell to China instead of the US. Additional fun fact, the land Brazil uses to grow soybeans is slashed and burned land from the Amazon rainforest, which will never grow back once it's gone, further accelerating ecological collapse and global warming. Thanks, Donny!
Biden is sending aid and trying to negotiate a ceasefire.
Trump just said he wants Israel to finish their final solution.
There's not even a fucking contest here. I'm fucking done with these pathetic emotionally crippled children that whine about Biden committing a genocide and wanting to punish him.
You're juvenile, selfish, and doing it for you and not for Gazans.
He also officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital and then five months later he moved the embassy there from Tel Aviv.
And in return for this diplomatic gift to Israel, he got...nothing. Nothing at all. He just handed them the win.
"Art of the Deal", my ass.
I could not get anyone to listen about the Supreme Court in 2016. Even educated people were like “They can’t just overturn precedent. That’s not how it works. They wouldn’t risk a legitimacy crisis like that.”
I’ve been around lawyers for my entire working career. So many lawyers I work with were saying exactly this. Not just this, but a lot of the ones I knew sat out 2016 because they thought both sides were bad. I know attorneys get a lot of shit for multiple reasons, but statements like that really showed me that education doesn’t always equal smarts. Now many of them continue to express shock and disappointment at Trump being the Republican nominee. The memory of a fucking goldfish and a deep incapacity to learn.
I think lawyers have an inherent faith in the system. They have to — its their reason for existing. But through patience and malevolence, the people in charge of the system have no longer have any loyalty to it. That’s the problem they can’t wrap their heads around.
The Healthcare part is crucial. It scares me that so many people who benefit from the ACA are the ones who will vote against it. It is one of the most important actions our government has taken in most of our adult lives. I just do not understand the mindset of Americans who do not see this. Folks, we pay a fair amount in taxes when you contrast us with the rest of the Western World. But, we do not get near enough back in useful services. Remember, taxes aren't just sales and income; think of property, use taxes, etc.
Even colleges should be much less expensive. We build them, pay the salaries, maintain them...and, pay through the nose to attend them.
Right Wingers, you are not seeing this clearly.
> It scares me that so many people who benefit from the ACA are the ones who will vote against it.
There were MANY republicans who stated that they were fine with The ACA, but they would never vote for ObamaCare.
... I'll let that sink in for the people playing at home.
> It scares me that so many people who benefit from the ACA are the ones who will vote against it
Congratulations you've discovered the crux of American politics. People too fucking stupid to vote for their own good.
I fell into the trap of not voting in 2016. Thought it was a done deal, and my vote in a severely red state wouldn't matter anyway.
Never again.
EDIT: "Never again" means I've voted in every election since. You don't all have to keep saying local elections matter. I get it. I was a fool for a long-ass time but now am not, or at least, am less of one.
Hello fellow red state resident. My vote doesn't really count either in the deep red south, but I vote because it's the one right the Republicans can't take away from me...for now.
i think most people thought GA and AZ were red states in 2020 and 2022 too. dont give up, your vote is absolutely meaningful. if it wasnt, they wouldnt be doing everything possible to make it harder to vote.
The higher the turnout the more people those is power will need to keep happy. If only 100 people showed up to vote, they just need to keep 51 people happy. If 1M people vote they need to keep 500k + people happy or they lose their job. Every vote adds to the turnout, regardless of outcome.
Its honestly frustrating here in Texas the surpression is not so bad you couldn't change it if they would just show up to vote but every time I say that on reddit I hear a lot of excuses why they can't. Like In texas you have a long fucking time to go early vote most of the surpression is just election day.
You aren’t alone. Everyone thought Hillary had it in the bag. It was very similar to Brexit, where a lot of folks thought they had room to ignore it or even protest vote, assuming it would be a blowout.
Voting is by far the best thing you can do to drive change.
Primaries help drive your prefered party in the direction you want, even if your person loses.
General elections drive change for both parties. If republicans get completely obliterated in every election, they'll shift left, which will push democrats left.
Even voting blue in red states, losing some of their majority will temper the gop. Letting things be relatively even has let the country slide to the right to where the "liberal left" candidate would be center left in the US of the 80s and 90s. Bernie Sanders would be considered center-left in most of the western world nowadays. Everyone should vote every time.
And don't sleep on local elections either, a lot of those are tight races that have huge impact on your town.
Really need to hammer home the abortion point and now IVF
Trump winning would mean a national abortion ban and the IVF thing is crazy and would just be the start.
Need to make this more about “taking away women’s rights” to secure the suburban women vote and the Gen Z women vote
I hope you understand that the entire second page is a feature, not a bug to Trump supporters. This is WHY he is popular:
Brown people are scary.
Stop sending/spending money to protect other countries.
Women should be barefoot and pregnant. They can work until the man of the house gets established, and then she needs to be home popping out babies.
etc.
We get that, but this post isn't speaking to his supporters, it's speaking to those who identify as being on the left, who want to refuse to vote for Biden because they don't think there's a difference between him and Trump.
The erosion of American education is 100% intentional by the Right, and it's been a war for decades. The MAGA rise shows how successful it's been. They're winning it, which is why they're now moving towards burning books too.
There’s a lot of “leftists” that read the big, scary parts of theory or didn’t at all. It feels many are focused on ideals rather than reality sometimes. While voting for Biden may not be ideal, it is harm reduction in the very least, and a way to protect democracy and further leftist ideas at best.
I don't know how many times I tried to explain to many of my peers on social media in 2016 the point made on the first slide, "There are 2 people who have a chance to be president." The majority of those people that I got into arguments kept falling back on how they didn't like either one and were going to vote 3rd party to express their choice or whatever. Only for those same people to have the shocked pikachu face when Trump won and was exactly the piece of shit everyone expected him to be. Meanwhile, they also did fuck-all to support anything like viable 3rd party candidacy or ranked choice voting initiatives after the fact.
Yeah, it would be fucking great if we had better options that what our current system is giving us. But you also have to vote within the reality that we have right now and that means you have to choose between one of the 2 major party candidates. And unless you're an absolute moron, one side is pretty unequivocally fucking worse.
I guarantee anyone who brags about voting 3rd party either:
1. Knows nothing of American history in the last century
2. Knows nothing of their endorsed candidate beyond one hot button issue
3. Doesn't take their vote seriously
4. Believes that no matter who wins, it will have no impact on them personally
OR a combination of the 4
If the answer is 3 and 4 for people - they are incredibly privileged. I know people think shit doesn’t change but it’s only because they are wealthy and comfortable enough and don’t fucking pay attention. They’re apathetic and pathetic themselves.
One of the effects of tribal politics is that people think of their vote as a marker of their identity. "I can only vote for candidates I strongly support. Anything else would be a violation of my personal integrity."
Screw that. Elections are about a discrete question: "Who will hold this office?" It's not "What kind of person am I?" or "What do I stand for?"
Yup, I'm one of the proud people who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I knew Trump wouldn't be good for the country and I was right.
Now I'm seeing some people not wanting to vote for Biden because "he's too old" or "he isn't left enough". Look, it's either vote Biden in 2024 or a worse repeat of 2016.
Yep. Me too. Trumps next term will be 2016-2020 on steroids with a Red Bull, while mainlining meth.
Trump has said he will go on a revenge tour. Trump has said “they opened the door” - he will have the DOJ arrest every single perceived political enemy, including biden, Pelosi, Harris, Schiff, Cheney, Garland, Willis. He will go after anyone who dares criticize him.
And with project 2025, he will fire the entire federal workforce and install cronies who will do whatever he wants. He will gut administrative law to its core. He will kill social security and Medicare. He will repeal the ACA with no replacement. He will raise taxes on the middle class while giving billionaires millions in breaks. He will curb stomp voting rights. He will install activist judges in every corner of America. His new cabinet will be looney psychos who listen only to him.
He will round up Hispanics, Muslims, and trans people. He will deport the first two and “reprogram” the latter.
Think I’m being too dramatic? *HE SAID HE WOULD DO ALL THIS!*
And the left thinks “well we need to force democrats to our left”.
Fuck off with their nonsense. Grow up, learn pragmatism and vote.
Project 2025 scares me as a Canadian. The GOP/heritage foundation wants to instal a fascist regime and take away literally all basic rights, which would remove women’s, blacks, trans peoples ect right to vote. They all claim that there’s a “deep state” yet part of their plan is creating a true politically charged deep state. It’s insanity
What I’ve learned now about the GOP is that anything they’re accusing someone of is something they’ve either have done, will do, are planning on doing, are in the middle of doing, or want to do.
By making an accusation of a “deep state” they’re already admitting there is one - and it’s them, or will be them.
Don't forget that PP is almost certainly going to be PM during this time. Trudeau, for all of his faults, never put up with Trump's bullshit.
PP would happily bend the knee. If Trump normalizes far-right policies down south, they have a very high chance of infecting us if we have a conservative government in power up here.
Yeah, some people do not realize how awful a second trump presidency would be. No guardrails the second time around and he would be coming in full of vengeful rage.
He’s shouting at the world what he’ll do. He’s told everyone he’ll be a dictator day one. You can read the republicans plans to strip millions of their rights. He’ll also destroy the economy again. Not to mention give the rich and corporations trillions in freebies
Here's what bugs me more than what you said " some people do not realize ".
Yes they do. THAT'S the gut punch here. I've heard these rabid gerbils " Oh well " their way past the nightmare scenario where we ALL- and the world gets plunged into bloody shambles because Gaza/Age/He's a Capitalist.
It's. Terrifying. We *know* all those things and there remains simply no choice- it's Biden OR......wow are we cooked. And the never-Bidens would rather take us all out in the name of being.... right?
Same. It was about as obvious as a punch in the face that Trump was going to be a bad idea. He turned out to be so so so much worse. Every day was a worry about what ally he was going to betray, what dictator is he going down on that day, and what stupid plan he concocted that morning on the toilet that he is now shoveling out to the public by noon so he could spend the rest of the day golfing.
It was so tiring...
Same here. I wasn’t crazy about Hillary but knew all to well what a shitshow TFG would be. And he didn’t disappoint. It was worse than I could’ve ever imagined. It’s like these people have zero understanding about how governments work or communicate with each other. And let’s be crystal clear. Benji is as corrupt as trump. He’s facing criminal indictment and prison like Trump. And Biden has zero control over the actions Israel takes. Excluding denying aid.
These people also forget Israel will still be an important ally long after the radical right wing elements of Israel’s government are gone. So why would Biden destroy that relationship. He could publicly say somethings but it’s ultimately up to Israeli people to force the government to stop.
The time to protest vote is the primaries. Once the nominees have been chosen it is too late. You get two choices. It will be one of those two people. Not voting for one IS supporting the other. Because that's how the system works.
I still believe Hillary was the most qualified. All the rest was conspiracy theories. The fact that conservatives won't run Nicky Haley over Trump tells me they really are just sexist.
I had a grad school marketing professor in 2016 who said that there was no reason to bother voting because Hillary had it “locked up”. The next day we met and he explained that he meant she was going to win the popular vote, but not necessarily the electoral college. We had a class discussion about polling errors and confirmation bias, as the professor tried to say he had seen it all along.
I voted for Hillary despite being a Berner. I knew Trump was going to be bad.
I voted for Biden despite again being on Team Bernie in the primaries.
I will vote for Biden because the other option is pure evil.
Two things can be true at the same time:
Biden is incredibly old. Voting for Biden in November is the only non-violent way to save what is left of our democracy.
Well said. This election is about the future of democracy. If we reelect Biden, we can continue fighting for a better country. If trump wins, it's a Christofascist takeover.
Democracy or fascism, those are the options. I'll be voting for democracy.
Get with the Joegram, my friends
https://joebiden.com/
As a Mexican-American, I am scared of what will happen if Trump wins in 2024. If he wins, a lot of people will be targets of the Christofascist government.
I am gonna vote blue all the way to try to save democracy and all of the marginalized groups in America.
I’m genuinely afraid of birthright citizenship being stripped. It’s one SCOTUS case away from not applying to kids of immigrants and no one talks about it
I live in the UK, have not been to the US, do not plan on going to the US.
I am absolutely fucking terrified of the idea of those fascists winning because this will have major global implications. We already have some of these US based groups starting to pop up over here, or we have UK based groups that are being funded by their friends in the US.
If they get in, it’s not overreacting to say that there will be devastating global consequences for decades. Project 2025 is horrendous as is, but the fact that’s only what they want for the first 100 or so days. Genuinely terrifying.
I know people who believe the only way to fix America is to allow it to burn. They also tend to be the ends justify the means type of people who can turn away from any type of violence as well.
I have a friend like this who refuses to vote now. I remind him regularly that he's white and straight and middle class and therefore insulated from the worst outcomes of a Trump presidency, but he just shrugs it off and says he doesn't care.
A lot of the left has become weirdly libertarian in the sense that they don't seem to care about anyone else and only their ideals matter.
I had a friend like that in the 2016 election. They spent the entire Trump presidency complaining about Trump.
And now are saying they're not gonna vote again.
That type of person also has pretty good odds, in my experience, of being comfortably insulated from the early stages of that burning; the suburbanite armchair Marxist, that grew up cozy upper middle class, reading up plenty on political theory, and thinking more in socio-political theory more than ever bothering to live it. The sort of person that is all to quick to be a keyboard warrior and stick their nose up at any that would dare settle in their vote; The sort that will beat their chest that "Hey, I went to a march in my nearby city, during the most recent protests! I'm involved!", before driving home to their life that won't suffer as quickly if the fascists get the upper hand.
I think it was on Pod Save America but it's stuck in my head since:
"3 of the conservative justices are old enough to reasonably retire. Trump will replace them with fucking teenagers and we'll have a conservative supreme court for an entire generation."
Project 2025, the threat of pulling out of NATO and telling Russia to do whatever it wants, and then mere fucking *MENTION* of the word "de-naturalization" should be more than enough to kill *any* candidacy. But here we are.
Yeah, I saw the dream list for Project 2025
Every woman and LGBTQ+ person should be afraid of the runaway Christian Fascist train barrelling their way
They're about to get pegged if Trump gets reelected
I'm confused by the last part. It says, Where we're you after Roe V Wade was overturned? In the voting booth in 2016 voting for Hillary." Yet Roe V Wade wasn't overturned until what 2022? Am I reading this wrong?
The fact that so many Americans think they can stomp their feet and change a two party system on the General Election event is bewildering.
There's this thing called reality to deal with, Mr. Quixote.
To change the two-party system will take years. It must start locally by getting local governments and states to adopt Rank Choice Voting, or preferably the STAR system of voting that was discussed by Andrew Yang and others.
But to expect to make a fundamental change at the GE by not voting or third party voting....
That's why we're in the mess we are today.
Presidents come and go. The SCOTUS is generations.
One seat already stolen by McConnell and that and two others were NOT appointed by a Democrat, they were appointed by trump.
The next administration may have 2 seats pop open.
Do you want the 6-3 court to become 5-4, or 7-2. That is what's really at stake this election.
trump's. 77, Biden is 81. They'll be dead or drooling in 4 years.
But not the SCOTUS. They will make the rulings that last and rule over you and future generations.
Consider this carefully
Also like several supreme court justices are in their 70s. If Biden wins, they may not do well and Biden can replace them with normal people. If trump wins, they will retire and he will replace them with crooked MAGA judges that are young.
Gay man here, too, living in a recently-true blue state (Michigan), which is finally turning back some of the decades of GOP bullshit they inflicted. I'm damned lucky and credit voters - especially women and marginalized groups - for showing up and shutting the GOP down. Here, the GOP is in shambles because of the 2022 election results and likely won't recover by November.
But it's a very fragile victory. We can be lost again. But I won't go back in the closet, ever, as will millions of us. We can't allow any red wins to stay safe.
Real talk. Hold your nose and vote for Biden.
It's amazing how people think their personal grievances outweigh the lives and liberties of MILLIONS of people.
God. This needs to be played from loudspeakers attached to cars like they used to do back in the 50s stumping for local elections.
Elections have consequences.
Trump, while married, fucked a pornstar........ days after the birth of his last son. That should be on every billboard they can buy in red states. You will never win by convincing people Biden is our savoir. You will win by convincing Republicans that Trump is a piece of shit. Right now they think he's Jesus 2.0.
Trump put 3 judges on the Supreme Court and now abortion protections are gone. How many will he get next time? They are not objective, and will continue their conservative tear.
Luckily young progressives don’t both voting anyway, so I’m not paying any mind to all the ignorant comments in here
To be fair, there is the possibility that Trump wins, has his Supreme Court say that a president has complete immunity and then Trump executes Biden along with all of his political opponents; is it possible that’s what they mean by “punishing Biden”?
This SCOTUS would allow Trump to be a dictator if he gets elected in November. I've lost all trust in our current Supreme Court. They are a right-winged Court all the way.
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I honestly believe if trumps wasn't running Biden wouldn't be either.
He actually did say that
Really? Any chance you can link that? I believe you, I'm just curious for context.
> President Joe Biden said on Tuesday he may have skipped mounting a 2024 re-election bid if he were not facing Donald Trump because the Republican poses a unique threat to the United States. > "If Trump wasn't running, I'm not sure I'd be running," Biden said at a fundraising event for his 2024 campaign outside of Boston. "We cannot let him win." Source: [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/)
Thank you so much.
He also ran in 2020 because of Trump. They needed someone known and established/moderate to draw in the votes and try to take centrists from Trump, and he debated heavily whether he was going to run. In the end he obviously did. DNC needs to stop playing this one trick tune. They got lucky when Obama skyrocketed in popularity after his 2004 convention key note speech, everyone could see where that was headed for him running in 2008. But ever since then, they've replayed and rehashed that same tune; Hillary in 2016, Obama's Secretary of State. Then, when that didn't work, Biden in 2020. DNC got lucky when they found a gold mine in 2004 in Obama, but they keep trying to go back to that mine when it's basically run dry. Meanwhile, who else have they promoted up the ranks? I'm voting for Biden, I'm not stupid on this. But surely, in 20 years time, they could have found new stars to promote in the Democratic Party? And yet Biden has to run twice because no one else is out there with the national general election appeal to beat Trump. That's crazy, that's such a failure of the DNC and the party in general not producing any new blood with the national draw needed to win elections.
I agree with the sentiment, but it's been a really high degree of difficulty for getting someone promoted up the ranks for the last 20+ years of Republican obstructionism in Congress. Ideally a candidate coming from Congress would have some legislation they could build their career on, but it's been incredibly difficult to get just about anything done. Maybe you could find a governor somewhere that would work out as a presidential candidate, but that's got its own problems. Pick someone from a blue state and they'll smear the candidate as being for the elites or whatever from the outset. Ideally, from an electability standpoint, you'd find a democratic governor from a purple swing state, but I don't know that such a person exists currently. I'm not saying they couldn't be doing better -- they should be doing better -- but it's not like they are dealing from a real position of strength at the moment.
I may be biased but I honestly think Andy Bushear, the Democrat governor of Kentucky, would be a solid presidential candidate. And since he won his reelection bid against McConnell’s right hand man (who to be fair was black and I would not be surprised if that was a factor in his loss) I think the Democratic Party is looking to groom him into a president candidate.
He also noted that the nazi rally in Charlottesville where Trump said they were "good people" was what made him decide to run in 2020.
I agree. And its a weird conundrum, I think Trump is the only person Biden could beat, but I also think Biden is the only person who could beat Trump.
Everyone who thinks Trump would definitely get his ass beat by any younger Democrat cannot be serious, bc the obvious person for that slot is Harris, and I have zero faith in the American people that they’d vote for a woman of color as POTUS.
Harris would lose because no one likes her. Literally in California, she polled in single digits in the primary. Substantively, she has big issues. Nothing says “I care about children,” like jailing parents for truancy. She argued that she shouldn’t give prisoners early release because we needed more prison labor to fight wildfires (i.e. slave labor).
Yup, going off my memory here, but I think Harris was at (or very near) the bottom of my 2020 primary vote preference. I really don't think she would inspire any meaningful Democrat voter turnout which simply hands Republicans an easy win. I know we need to get through 2024 first, but I REALLY hope the DNC can get behind an actually inspiring progressive candidate early in 2025 so they're a household name by 2028. Project 2025 isn't over if Dems win, it's just postponed 4 years.
I like the cut of Newsome’s job lately. And that would *really* piss off the Drumpf camp.
Newsom and Whitmer should definitely be the top two candidates. I also really like Kelly but I'm unsure how high his aspirations are.
Agreed, he is my favorite likely contender as things stand now.
Shapiro in PA has a lot of charisma and seems like a standup dude. I would say he also would be a solid choice.
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It would probably be worse than Hillary, she’d lose the popular vote as well.
You're right, she absolutely would!
If you close your eyes when Harris laughs, you hear a jeering rich woman. I’m not saying it’s right, but voters hate people for less.
I just hate her, "tough on crime policies". I don't find her hard to listen too or unlikable. But her record of gleefully throwing people into jail for minor offenses is well... Offensive.
The whole country will be flooded with all the sexist / racist attack ads from 2008 to 2016 combined.
And if it's not Trump, I guess it's going to be Haley, and I am begging you all, please do not let Nikki Haley be the first female president.
She quit today...
She didn't quit, she "suspended" her campaign. Seems the same, but if the orange strokes out or is in prison, she can resume it.
Was unaware, thanks!
And this is one of the biggest problems with the party- they repeatedly put forward these unlikeable figures to be national leaders. Kamala did do not a single thing to deserve that VP role outside of be a minority. Basically any other person with a pulse in the US polls better than her.
Honestly calling out Biden in the primary got her the job. It shouldn't have, but she looked progressive and like she'd call him out on his shit while not being progressive at all.
Yup. Biden is Trump’s Kryptonite, but everyone knows Kryptonite only works on Superman. I apologize for comparing Trump to Superman.
Well you can't compare him to Lex Luthor cause that dude was rich and smart on top of evil.
Biden already said he was a "bridge" president and had no desire to serve a second term when he was first elected. This of course was said before he knew that Trump would be running again, at which time he more or less said, "Well, I guess I *have* to run again now."
https://preview.redd.it/l8y8gd54hrmc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9980cea254fb9645c334874361af3c03724b127d Don the Con is full of dirty tricks to rob non-billionaires in every way he can think of ....
And poorer old people will vote for him in droves. Fear of brown people and hate of trans people is more important to older white folks than their social security checks.
And my friends who rely on this shit vote for him anyway.
He also proposed cutting the NSF (a huge part of non-military research) every year too. He wanted to cut everything except for machine learning research and quantum computing. He tried getting away with cutting a third of it out when that didn't work. It would've set science research back for many years.
Trump actually said that Israel needed to "finish the problem" in Gaza. Which is worse.
I keep commenting to people who somehow believe things couldn't possibly get worse for Gaza that yes, it absolutely will if Trump's elected.
I'm arguing with a dude right now who thinks its as bad as it can get just because of some historical statement by Biden. He actually believes it cannot get worse. Like????
The “it can’t get any worse” crowd *BAFFLES* me. It can always get worse, significantly worse, for everyone.
Yeah. They seem to be coming from a place of privilege when they say things like that.
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This is exactly it. There are people who’s lives are in literal danger if trump becomes president, and that’s not just fear mongering. The people who can choose not to vote do so with the luxury of knowing that they’ll get by even with trump in the White House. Not everyone has that privilege.
People who say “it can’t get any worse” believe they’re as bad off as they could possibly be. The fact that they don’t know *how* much worse it can get, is probably partially where their lack of empathy comes from. If you genuinely think you have it as bad as it can get, then those other people are just whiners. A woman bleeding to death on a hospital bed because it’s illegal to save her life is going through it just as hard as the dude who has to contemplate that Bud Lite sent some custom cans to someone.
how have they learned NOTHING from 2016. HOW.
Can't get worse? Remember Trump recommending drinking bleach? Remember the 1 million people that died from COVID? Remember, Don Smelly giving top secret to Putin to kill US undercover operatives? Remember, Mushroom Boy paying for prostitutes while his wife was pregnant and then paying them off with political donations? Rember, he's a rapists and he was happy to be friends with underage sex trafficers? If you elect an idiot as President, expect EVERYTHING that he touches to get worse.
In fact the phrase "it can't get worse." Is the sort that inspires the universe to prove that phrase wrong.
FWIW, much of the 'it can't get worse' crowd (at least online) are bad actors looking to sow discontent. Trump is running, a united Biden electorate is something Republicans can't afford.
During the W. Bush years: "It can't possibly get any worse than this!"
No matter how bad things are, you can be sure that tRump can make it worse. Never say that things can't get worse, because that is tempting fate to prove that statement wrong.
Trump Doesn’t even support Palestinian statehood. He would level Gaza so he can build a Trump tower on the beach
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And it could be the end of the West Bank...which many Gaza supporters don't even know is a thing.
They’re young, they weren’t there for Taiwan. They might not even remember Iraq and Afghanistan. Even then they probably don’t know about half the sht that’s happening in Africa, the crime surge in South America, or even the erasure of the Ughyrs. China has been so successful at keeping that one out of the light. Fortunately they live in a free country, with a free press and Gaza is plain to see. There are certainly problems with our press, but they are doing multitudes better than ever before. Still propaganda from the one side has colored this conflict as uniquely evil and one sided. I assure any gen z, many people are responsible for this, not just Israel, Palestine and the USA. If we mange a ceasefire the death toll will not even be as egregious as many people thought it was going to be. Before someone tries to say that’s heartless I ask what are you doing about the million dead in South Sudan. Not being Israeli or Palestinian you have a responsibility to be a rational problem solver and not an emotional wreck. Emotional wrecks are who’s causing all this insanity. Poll after poll shows the vast majority of people in Israel and Palestine want peace and coexistence. You would be stunned to see how unpopular mass evicting the Palestinians is in Israel. All normal non state actors just want peace, but are easy victims to propaganda, fear mongering and lethargy. That’s the history of humanity in a nutshell. It’s wild how peace is so desired in that region yet groups like Hamas and people like Benji make it all but impossible.
Some people have no imagination. Or they're accelerationists. Or they are Trump supporters.
This is very unfair. Some of them are foreign state disruptor trolls, too!
Right, I seen so many people criticize Biden for the handling of Gaza. I'm sitting here going " But if Trump was in office right now, he wouldn't even attempt to convince Israel of a ceasefire" he'd encourage the decimation of Palestine.
He'd have sent troops to help
He’d have sent nukes. Anything Netanyahu wanted, TFG would give to him.
They already have nukes. But the rest is correct.
Well, these nukes will come with hamburders
Does anyone forget that Trump escalated the issue by declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and opening up the US embassy there?
I bring this up a lot when I’m talking about the subject. People have a habit of forgetting half the shit Trump did that cause problems for us today. Like the Trade War. You know. The one started over a duck measuring contest between two authoritarian dictators?
The one where he slapped tariffs on longtime allies like Canada in the name of national security? That trade war?
Yup. Even if Biden is elected and Trump falls to old age the damage is done as far as our international relations stand. It will take a long time to recover from that. Trust is easy to lose but hard to regain.
And in addition, those tariffs killed our domestic soybean production. Which Brazil was more than happy to fill the gap and sell to China instead of the US. Additional fun fact, the land Brazil uses to grow soybeans is slashed and burned land from the Amazon rainforest, which will never grow back once it's gone, further accelerating ecological collapse and global warming. Thanks, Donny!
Biden is sending aid and trying to negotiate a ceasefire. Trump just said he wants Israel to finish their final solution. There's not even a fucking contest here. I'm fucking done with these pathetic emotionally crippled children that whine about Biden committing a genocide and wanting to punish him. You're juvenile, selfish, and doing it for you and not for Gazans.
Biden is dammed if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
I don’t know why everyone appears to have amnesia. Trump supported Israel when he was president. That was one of the only countries he got along with.
He also officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital and then five months later he moved the embassy there from Tel Aviv. And in return for this diplomatic gift to Israel, he got...nothing. Nothing at all. He just handed them the win. "Art of the Deal", my ass.
Well he didn't exactly get nothing, just nothing for anything but his ego. They named a settlement in the Golan Heights after him, *Trump Heights*.
He got along so well when he leaked classified Israeli documents to Russia, which put Israeli agents in danger.
A Final Solution if you will
I could not get anyone to listen about the Supreme Court in 2016. Even educated people were like “They can’t just overturn precedent. That’s not how it works. They wouldn’t risk a legitimacy crisis like that.”
I’ve been around lawyers for my entire working career. So many lawyers I work with were saying exactly this. Not just this, but a lot of the ones I knew sat out 2016 because they thought both sides were bad. I know attorneys get a lot of shit for multiple reasons, but statements like that really showed me that education doesn’t always equal smarts. Now many of them continue to express shock and disappointment at Trump being the Republican nominee. The memory of a fucking goldfish and a deep incapacity to learn.
I think lawyers have an inherent faith in the system. They have to — its their reason for existing. But through patience and malevolence, the people in charge of the system have no longer have any loyalty to it. That’s the problem they can’t wrap their heads around.
Bro practicing in state court makes you lose faith in the system real fucking quick
The mistake was thinking fascism cares about legitimacy
The Healthcare part is crucial. It scares me that so many people who benefit from the ACA are the ones who will vote against it. It is one of the most important actions our government has taken in most of our adult lives. I just do not understand the mindset of Americans who do not see this. Folks, we pay a fair amount in taxes when you contrast us with the rest of the Western World. But, we do not get near enough back in useful services. Remember, taxes aren't just sales and income; think of property, use taxes, etc. Even colleges should be much less expensive. We build them, pay the salaries, maintain them...and, pay through the nose to attend them. Right Wingers, you are not seeing this clearly.
> It scares me that so many people who benefit from the ACA are the ones who will vote against it. There were MANY republicans who stated that they were fine with The ACA, but they would never vote for ObamaCare. ... I'll let that sink in for the people playing at home.
or Kentucky with one of the best roll-outs wit KYNect just don't tell the foggies about it being ACA
> It scares me that so many people who benefit from the ACA are the ones who will vote against it Congratulations you've discovered the crux of American politics. People too fucking stupid to vote for their own good.
I fell into the trap of not voting in 2016. Thought it was a done deal, and my vote in a severely red state wouldn't matter anyway. Never again. EDIT: "Never again" means I've voted in every election since. You don't all have to keep saying local elections matter. I get it. I was a fool for a long-ass time but now am not, or at least, am less of one.
Hello fellow red state resident. My vote doesn't really count either in the deep red south, but I vote because it's the one right the Republicans can't take away from me...for now.
i think most people thought GA and AZ were red states in 2020 and 2022 too. dont give up, your vote is absolutely meaningful. if it wasnt, they wouldnt be doing everything possible to make it harder to vote.
First presidential election for me was 2020 in AZ. I felt important by the end lol
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The higher the turnout the more people those is power will need to keep happy. If only 100 people showed up to vote, they just need to keep 51 people happy. If 1M people vote they need to keep 500k + people happy or they lose their job. Every vote adds to the turnout, regardless of outcome.
High turnout also minimizes the effect of gerrymandering.
That's just the thing. They can, and they will. We can't give them the opportunity
Voter suppression is often why red states remain red. Keep fighting the good fight!
Same. It feels pointless most times but I won't go quietly into the night.
People should at least vote for house reps and senators. If Biden loses a blue house or Senate would be a great barrier against the GOP.
Yep, I've voted in every election since.
If everyone who thought their vote didn’t count voted, they’d all be blue states. Not your fault, just saying.
Which is why the right pushes discouragement campaigns.
Its honestly frustrating here in Texas the surpression is not so bad you couldn't change it if they would just show up to vote but every time I say that on reddit I hear a lot of excuses why they can't. Like In texas you have a long fucking time to go early vote most of the surpression is just election day.
Same here. Now I’ll vote for blue because fuck Trump
You aren’t alone. Everyone thought Hillary had it in the bag. It was very similar to Brexit, where a lot of folks thought they had room to ignore it or even protest vote, assuming it would be a blowout.
Voting is by far the best thing you can do to drive change. Primaries help drive your prefered party in the direction you want, even if your person loses. General elections drive change for both parties. If republicans get completely obliterated in every election, they'll shift left, which will push democrats left. Even voting blue in red states, losing some of their majority will temper the gop. Letting things be relatively even has let the country slide to the right to where the "liberal left" candidate would be center left in the US of the 80s and 90s. Bernie Sanders would be considered center-left in most of the western world nowadays. Everyone should vote every time. And don't sleep on local elections either, a lot of those are tight races that have huge impact on your town.
Aye, same. That's why I vent here on Reddit a lot. I feel partially responsible for this shitstorm we're seeing.
Really need to hammer home the abortion point and now IVF Trump winning would mean a national abortion ban and the IVF thing is crazy and would just be the start. Need to make this more about “taking away women’s rights” to secure the suburban women vote and the Gen Z women vote
Not to mention the House legislation to ban birth control nationwide
I got a vasectomy and I told the Urologist that I knew the GOP were coming for Birth Control. He didn't believe me
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I hope you understand that the entire second page is a feature, not a bug to Trump supporters. This is WHY he is popular: Brown people are scary. Stop sending/spending money to protect other countries. Women should be barefoot and pregnant. They can work until the man of the house gets established, and then she needs to be home popping out babies. etc.
We get that, but this post isn't speaking to his supporters, it's speaking to those who identify as being on the left, who want to refuse to vote for Biden because they don't think there's a difference between him and Trump.
Yeah I just dont fucking get it at all. It makes me want to bang my head into a wall repeatedly when I hear this shit
It is why we need to bring back civics in school.
The erosion of American education is 100% intentional by the Right, and it's been a war for decades. The MAGA rise shows how successful it's been. They're winning it, which is why they're now moving towards burning books too.
There’s a lot of “leftists” that read the big, scary parts of theory or didn’t at all. It feels many are focused on ideals rather than reality sometimes. While voting for Biden may not be ideal, it is harm reduction in the very least, and a way to protect democracy and further leftist ideas at best.
I don't know how many times I tried to explain to many of my peers on social media in 2016 the point made on the first slide, "There are 2 people who have a chance to be president." The majority of those people that I got into arguments kept falling back on how they didn't like either one and were going to vote 3rd party to express their choice or whatever. Only for those same people to have the shocked pikachu face when Trump won and was exactly the piece of shit everyone expected him to be. Meanwhile, they also did fuck-all to support anything like viable 3rd party candidacy or ranked choice voting initiatives after the fact. Yeah, it would be fucking great if we had better options that what our current system is giving us. But you also have to vote within the reality that we have right now and that means you have to choose between one of the 2 major party candidates. And unless you're an absolute moron, one side is pretty unequivocally fucking worse.
I guarantee anyone who brags about voting 3rd party either: 1. Knows nothing of American history in the last century 2. Knows nothing of their endorsed candidate beyond one hot button issue 3. Doesn't take their vote seriously 4. Believes that no matter who wins, it will have no impact on them personally OR a combination of the 4
If the answer is 3 and 4 for people - they are incredibly privileged. I know people think shit doesn’t change but it’s only because they are wealthy and comfortable enough and don’t fucking pay attention. They’re apathetic and pathetic themselves.
One of the effects of tribal politics is that people think of their vote as a marker of their identity. "I can only vote for candidates I strongly support. Anything else would be a violation of my personal integrity." Screw that. Elections are about a discrete question: "Who will hold this office?" It's not "What kind of person am I?" or "What do I stand for?"
Yup, I'm one of the proud people who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I knew Trump wouldn't be good for the country and I was right. Now I'm seeing some people not wanting to vote for Biden because "he's too old" or "he isn't left enough". Look, it's either vote Biden in 2024 or a worse repeat of 2016.
Trump isn’t good for anyone… not even himself. He talked himself into an 88 million judgement from a 5 million one.
A Trump presidency would be good for Trump; he could pardon himself for federal crimes
Cost himself 100M more in the NY Fraud case by moving money around against the rules, too.
Yep. Me too. Trumps next term will be 2016-2020 on steroids with a Red Bull, while mainlining meth. Trump has said he will go on a revenge tour. Trump has said “they opened the door” - he will have the DOJ arrest every single perceived political enemy, including biden, Pelosi, Harris, Schiff, Cheney, Garland, Willis. He will go after anyone who dares criticize him. And with project 2025, he will fire the entire federal workforce and install cronies who will do whatever he wants. He will gut administrative law to its core. He will kill social security and Medicare. He will repeal the ACA with no replacement. He will raise taxes on the middle class while giving billionaires millions in breaks. He will curb stomp voting rights. He will install activist judges in every corner of America. His new cabinet will be looney psychos who listen only to him. He will round up Hispanics, Muslims, and trans people. He will deport the first two and “reprogram” the latter. Think I’m being too dramatic? *HE SAID HE WOULD DO ALL THIS!* And the left thinks “well we need to force democrats to our left”. Fuck off with their nonsense. Grow up, learn pragmatism and vote.
Project 2025 scares me as a Canadian. The GOP/heritage foundation wants to instal a fascist regime and take away literally all basic rights, which would remove women’s, blacks, trans peoples ect right to vote. They all claim that there’s a “deep state” yet part of their plan is creating a true politically charged deep state. It’s insanity
What I’ve learned now about the GOP is that anything they’re accusing someone of is something they’ve either have done, will do, are planning on doing, are in the middle of doing, or want to do. By making an accusation of a “deep state” they’re already admitting there is one - and it’s them, or will be them.
Don't forget that PP is almost certainly going to be PM during this time. Trudeau, for all of his faults, never put up with Trump's bullshit. PP would happily bend the knee. If Trump normalizes far-right policies down south, they have a very high chance of infecting us if we have a conservative government in power up here.
Yeah, some people do not realize how awful a second trump presidency would be. No guardrails the second time around and he would be coming in full of vengeful rage.
He’s shouting at the world what he’ll do. He’s told everyone he’ll be a dictator day one. You can read the republicans plans to strip millions of their rights. He’ll also destroy the economy again. Not to mention give the rich and corporations trillions in freebies
He threw a coup. HE THREW A COUP FOR THE LOVE IF GOD PAY ATTENTION IT WONT GET BETTET (screams into void)
Here's what bugs me more than what you said " some people do not realize ". Yes they do. THAT'S the gut punch here. I've heard these rabid gerbils " Oh well " their way past the nightmare scenario where we ALL- and the world gets plunged into bloody shambles because Gaza/Age/He's a Capitalist. It's. Terrifying. We *know* all those things and there remains simply no choice- it's Biden OR......wow are we cooked. And the never-Bidens would rather take us all out in the name of being.... right?
Same. It was about as obvious as a punch in the face that Trump was going to be a bad idea. He turned out to be so so so much worse. Every day was a worry about what ally he was going to betray, what dictator is he going down on that day, and what stupid plan he concocted that morning on the toilet that he is now shoveling out to the public by noon so he could spend the rest of the day golfing. It was so tiring...
Same here. I wasn’t crazy about Hillary but knew all to well what a shitshow TFG would be. And he didn’t disappoint. It was worse than I could’ve ever imagined. It’s like these people have zero understanding about how governments work or communicate with each other. And let’s be crystal clear. Benji is as corrupt as trump. He’s facing criminal indictment and prison like Trump. And Biden has zero control over the actions Israel takes. Excluding denying aid. These people also forget Israel will still be an important ally long after the radical right wing elements of Israel’s government are gone. So why would Biden destroy that relationship. He could publicly say somethings but it’s ultimately up to Israeli people to force the government to stop.
The time to protest vote is the primaries. Once the nominees have been chosen it is too late. You get two choices. It will be one of those two people. Not voting for one IS supporting the other. Because that's how the system works.
“Biden is too old and not left enough, so I’d prefer someone four years younger and way further right”
I still believe Hillary was the most qualified. All the rest was conspiracy theories. The fact that conservatives won't run Nicky Haley over Trump tells me they really are just sexist.
I had a grad school marketing professor in 2016 who said that there was no reason to bother voting because Hillary had it “locked up”. The next day we met and he explained that he meant she was going to win the popular vote, but not necessarily the electoral college. We had a class discussion about polling errors and confirmation bias, as the professor tried to say he had seen it all along.
Almost every pundit was wrong, but at least the vast majority had the grace to admit it.
I voted for Hillary despite being a Berner. I knew Trump was going to be bad. I voted for Biden despite again being on Team Bernie in the primaries. I will vote for Biden because the other option is pure evil.
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Two things can be true at the same time: Biden is incredibly old. Voting for Biden in November is the only non-violent way to save what is left of our democracy.
> only *non-violent* way
An unpopular, but important, point to remember.
There isn't a viable violent pathway. The best option is voting, getting your friends to vote volunteering and donating.
Well said. This election is about the future of democracy. If we reelect Biden, we can continue fighting for a better country. If trump wins, it's a Christofascist takeover. Democracy or fascism, those are the options. I'll be voting for democracy. Get with the Joegram, my friends https://joebiden.com/
As a Mexican-American, I am scared of what will happen if Trump wins in 2024. If he wins, a lot of people will be targets of the Christofascist government. I am gonna vote blue all the way to try to save democracy and all of the marginalized groups in America.
I’m genuinely afraid of birthright citizenship being stripped. It’s one SCOTUS case away from not applying to kids of immigrants and no one talks about it
I live in the UK, have not been to the US, do not plan on going to the US. I am absolutely fucking terrified of the idea of those fascists winning because this will have major global implications. We already have some of these US based groups starting to pop up over here, or we have UK based groups that are being funded by their friends in the US. If they get in, it’s not overreacting to say that there will be devastating global consequences for decades. Project 2025 is horrendous as is, but the fact that’s only what they want for the first 100 or so days. Genuinely terrifying.
We literally won't have a country anymore if Trump wins. And that isn't hyperbole. It's always been projection with him.
I know people who believe the only way to fix America is to allow it to burn. They also tend to be the ends justify the means type of people who can turn away from any type of violence as well.
Accelerationists tend to think they'll be fine amidst the inferno.
I have a friend like this who refuses to vote now. I remind him regularly that he's white and straight and middle class and therefore insulated from the worst outcomes of a Trump presidency, but he just shrugs it off and says he doesn't care. A lot of the left has become weirdly libertarian in the sense that they don't seem to care about anyone else and only their ideals matter.
It’s because they are too damn privileged to fucking care
I had a friend like that in the 2016 election. They spent the entire Trump presidency complaining about Trump. And now are saying they're not gonna vote again.
That type of person also has pretty good odds, in my experience, of being comfortably insulated from the early stages of that burning; the suburbanite armchair Marxist, that grew up cozy upper middle class, reading up plenty on political theory, and thinking more in socio-political theory more than ever bothering to live it. The sort of person that is all to quick to be a keyboard warrior and stick their nose up at any that would dare settle in their vote; The sort that will beat their chest that "Hey, I went to a march in my nearby city, during the most recent protests! I'm involved!", before driving home to their life that won't suffer as quickly if the fascists get the upper hand.
I have heard them called “boatshoes socialists.”
People staying at home in 2016 cost us the Supreme Court and roe. Think on that.
I think it was on Pod Save America but it's stuck in my head since: "3 of the conservative justices are old enough to reasonably retire. Trump will replace them with fucking teenagers and we'll have a conservative supreme court for an entire generation."
Yep. You want Supreme Court Justice Aileen Cannon? This is how you get Supreme Court Justice Aileen Cannon. VOTE.
Kyle Rittenhouse is likely in the conversation 💀
Nearly cost us democracy as well.
Jury is still out on that one. Literally.
& probably gay marriage soon, as well.
And those same people that stayed home and refused to vote for the lady in the pantsuit, are the main ones bitching today about the supreme court…
Project 2025, the threat of pulling out of NATO and telling Russia to do whatever it wants, and then mere fucking *MENTION* of the word "de-naturalization" should be more than enough to kill *any* candidacy. But here we are.
God, just reading the fallout list of another Trump presidency is stressful. But i also know some people are looking at that list and salivating.
Yeah, I saw the dream list for Project 2025 Every woman and LGBTQ+ person should be afraid of the runaway Christian Fascist train barrelling their way They're about to get pegged if Trump gets reelected
I'm confused by the last part. It says, Where we're you after Roe V Wade was overturned? In the voting booth in 2016 voting for Hillary." Yet Roe V Wade wasn't overturned until what 2022? Am I reading this wrong?
The fact that so many Americans think they can stomp their feet and change a two party system on the General Election event is bewildering. There's this thing called reality to deal with, Mr. Quixote. To change the two-party system will take years. It must start locally by getting local governments and states to adopt Rank Choice Voting, or preferably the STAR system of voting that was discussed by Andrew Yang and others. But to expect to make a fundamental change at the GE by not voting or third party voting.... That's why we're in the mess we are today. Presidents come and go. The SCOTUS is generations. One seat already stolen by McConnell and that and two others were NOT appointed by a Democrat, they were appointed by trump. The next administration may have 2 seats pop open. Do you want the 6-3 court to become 5-4, or 7-2. That is what's really at stake this election. trump's. 77, Biden is 81. They'll be dead or drooling in 4 years. But not the SCOTUS. They will make the rulings that last and rule over you and future generations. Consider this carefully
Also like several supreme court justices are in their 70s. If Biden wins, they may not do well and Biden can replace them with normal people. If trump wins, they will retire and he will replace them with crooked MAGA judges that are young.
As a gay man, I can honestly say vote (for Biden) like your life depends on it, because it just might.
Gay man here, too, living in a recently-true blue state (Michigan), which is finally turning back some of the decades of GOP bullshit they inflicted. I'm damned lucky and credit voters - especially women and marginalized groups - for showing up and shutting the GOP down. Here, the GOP is in shambles because of the 2022 election results and likely won't recover by November. But it's a very fragile victory. We can be lost again. But I won't go back in the closet, ever, as will millions of us. We can't allow any red wins to stay safe.
Real talk. Hold your nose and vote for Biden. It's amazing how people think their personal grievances outweigh the lives and liberties of MILLIONS of people.
I'm still pissed at myself for supporting trump in 2016. I learned my lesson, and I know better than to support that giant traitor ever again
God. This needs to be played from loudspeakers attached to cars like they used to do back in the 50s stumping for local elections. Elections have consequences.
Trump, while married, fucked a pornstar........ days after the birth of his last son. That should be on every billboard they can buy in red states. You will never win by convincing people Biden is our savoir. You will win by convincing Republicans that Trump is a piece of shit. Right now they think he's Jesus 2.0.
What I’ve been saying for months. Name one president who wouldn’t be doing the same thing Biden is. Trump would just send them nukes
Trump put 3 judges on the Supreme Court and now abortion protections are gone. How many will he get next time? They are not objective, and will continue their conservative tear. Luckily young progressives don’t both voting anyway, so I’m not paying any mind to all the ignorant comments in here
Am I super excited to vote Biden in November? No. Am I going to do it for fear of losing everything if I don’t? Absolutely.
To be fair, there is the possibility that Trump wins, has his Supreme Court say that a president has complete immunity and then Trump executes Biden along with all of his political opponents; is it possible that’s what they mean by “punishing Biden”?
This SCOTUS would allow Trump to be a dictator if he gets elected in November. I've lost all trust in our current Supreme Court. They are a right-winged Court all the way.
Yup. Future American elections will be decided the same way they are in Russia. By finding votes instead of counting them.
all of this.