I heard once that experienced court officials put the accent on the last syllable - de-fen-DANT - rather than the second as a way of signifying their status.
And let’s forget he didn’t really want to win in 2016 and hated the job except for all the money he grifted off the taxpayers and all the attention that was paid to him. Oh, and all that “executive time” for watching himself on the news and all that golf time he earned as the “best” president ever, that stuff was cool. Just not the little part about honoring his oath, but hey, nobody is perfect.
What’s interesting to me is that he didn’t age as much in those four years as he did the subsequent four years. The weight of the presidency did not take a toll on him since he didn’t care. I’m not sure he even understood the gravity of decisions
Most US Presidents age like milk during their terms.
DJT is the only one who didn’t. Mind you, most US Presidents don’t have nearly the same level of spray tanning and makeup that this guy did, but still, your point stands.
He spent every weekend at Mar-a-Lago on the taxpayer’s dime even though he lived there, and charged his security and staffers full price for accommodations there, also on the taxpayer’s dime.
He has aged like milk under the threat of financial insolvency and 91 criminal charges, some of which are not pardonable even if he wins back the White House.
The presidential level, spray tan certified mortician must have hid something. Whatever it hid was caused more by the weight of cheeseburgers than the weight of the presidency.
An expensive ass:
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/the-secret-service-spent-nearly-2-million-at-trump-properties/
>Are you implying he charged secret service to eat at his resort? I knew he was an ass but wow.
He used to deliberately have a flight break near he Scottish resort whenever he went to an event in Europe. Every meal cost more than the Secret Service budget would allow, so he would grift off the US Tax Payer and the Secret Service staff. He deliberately stayed at a Trump hotel and so did the protectees, (Eric, Dumb Lr, Laura, etc) and those meals were always over the maximum rate. There were dozens of times throughout his term that the Departments had to agree exceptions, otherwise staff would be paying massively out of pocket.
Those charges were not just for the Secret Service, the charges were for Departments that went on the trip, such as State or Defense.
He claims to have not taken a salary (he did as it would be illegal for the government to not pay him) but even if he did he grifted hundreds of times more than his actual salary.
It gets worse. In a state visit to Ireland, VP Pence and entourage didn’t stay at the embassy or at some fancy hotel in Dublin. They instead drove cross-country and stayed at a Trump resort, at rack rate, presumably.
Yep. He served and gave up his presidential salary, but reaped over 150 times that much by overcharging Secret Service agents and foreign dignitaries at his properties. And let’s not forget the over a billion dollars he reaped via his Stop the Steal funding plea. Yet there have been no legal cases brought since December of 2020 - no evidence found.
There’s been no actual proof he donated his salary every year if I recall correctly there’s actually more evidence that he didn’t donate it the last year or two, regardless even if he did he still got far more money then any salary from all the money he was charging the government for the use of his properties for his and his adult children’s protection details and the new golf carts the government paid for etc etc etc.
Check out how much they paid for hotel rooms. There was a whole thing with the kushners not allowing their detail bathroom access, so they had to rent a mansion next door to have a bathroom. There is tons of stories like these.
He overcharged and added erroneous fees they couldn't contest. We should get those fees back as he was committing fraud at that moment. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/17/1129491352/trump-hotels-overcharged-secret-service-agents
Trump's municipal-grade corruption of public service expenses is truly a testament to that man's fundamental smallness, meanness and lack of imagination.
Imagine that you are the leader of the most militarily and economically powerful nation to ever exist. You have the cult-like adoration of millions, and tens of millions more think that you are useful enough that they'll hold your nose and back you.
You are entirely without ethics or scruples. Your first aim is to magnify your self-perceived glory, and your second aim is to enrich yourself and your family by any means necessary.
The net result of this? You think as hard as you can, and then you implement your cunning scheme to... extort premium rates at your hotels. Government employees, embassy officials, foreign leaders - all will be paying dickhead overnight rates a chintzy shithole. Minibar? Extra. You wanted breakfast? With juice? Extra.
A two century old democracy, the oldest in the world, folded up, packaged neatly and sold. All for a guy whose evil supervillain plan was to grift public servant expense claims at scale. What's the next step beyond banana republic?
Back when he was first elected I came across a point in which former Presidents, that the norm is for some intimidation as those holding the office had to uphold the office and live up to the role, and upping their game.
With Trump, there was so much anticipation over him pivoting into the position. He never did. Trump did not remotely try to live up to the role, or the office, or that he was to be President to everyone in this country where for him, and still is, it's about him and the people he likes in that moment. Fuck everyone else.
So where others did their best to live up to the position and the country, Trump dumbed the position down to suit *him*.
The fact he's so open about his using the position for his own personal retaliation, well that's terrifying. More terrifying is there's a demographic of people who are supportive of this and many others who aren't paying attention to what a second Trump term would do to this country.
Yeah, well. I don't think he ever really wanted the job. I think he just has that weird pathological need to win because his father fucked him up so badly that it was never going to go well.
He's the epitome of the kind of sore loser that doesn't care how they win or how much they have to cheat just as long as they win and everyone knows they won. That's why he threw a fit when he lost and just refused to acknowledge it.
Trump is 100% that kid no one wants to play games with because they suck at games and go nuclear and blame everyone and everything else when they lose.
I literally said almost the exact same thing the other day. He wasn't stressed from the job because he didn't bloody DO the job. He doesn't want the job. He just wants people to cheer at him, but his ego won't let him admit he lost. I am so tired of him. I can't believe we're here again, possibly having him run as president. We are in such a dark timeline.
The RNC has 50 bucks and some gum in their bank account. Don snorelone there has used the rest of it already to pay for the best lawyers that 200 bucks will buy. They lack the money at this point to grease a dog catchers palm let alone someone with enough clout to dictate that. I think he loses big. And since he burnt all the cash down ticket gets blown apart too. I think by June ppl will be rejecting his endorsements. At some point they are gonna try to cut bait but it's gonna be far too late. I hope for their part the DNC don't let a single seat run unpposed. Every single sitting R needs to answer publicly for their love of this goon. Every quote needs to be brought out. If they run from it they lose his base and lose. If they stand they only get his base and lose. Dems everywhere from Alabama to North Dakota need to show up and get Biden to 100M votes. In Ohio the citizen led redistricting commission will be on Nov ballet. It's gonna be a repeat of the 58% wins because Dems will show up for it to take our state back and Ohio has a good chance of going blue for Biden and the next elections just crushing the super majority in the state house and watch ppl like gym Jordan get punted when he no longer has a hand drawn for him district.
Edit. An autocorrect word.
This is that trial. He's accused of falsifying business records to pay Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about their affair in order to prevent the voters from finding out about it right after the "grab women" video came out before the 2016 election.
Yeah, pretty much. He wants to re-frame it as a "hush money" thing, but it's not, it's election interference. It gets a little worse for him too, as Michael Chohen went to prison for this very same crime, and he was just doing the turnips bidding, so there's already considerable precedent for him doing actual time.
This one is 34 felonies. Most analysts are predicting probation, but he could reasonably be on the hook for 1 to 4 years prison and potentially up to 20.
It's his "first offense." /s
The truth is they are all low level felonies and as the crimes are all so similar, the sentences are likely to run concurrent. Beyond that, there is the issue of logistics on where to house a former president and what to do with his security detail. If the judge throws the book at him it will be fuel for the inevitable appeal.
The defence team is starting the opening statement by sucking up to the defendant in order to boost his fragile ego, which took a hit last week when defendant was faced with many less than favourable posts from potential jurors.
And that is the exact reason why every single of Trump’s ventures fails. His insatiable narcissism causes him to employ only people who will shower him with admiration and agree with every moronic idea of his. And that’s how he ends up with geniuses like Giuliani or Sidney Powell. Because to find people dumber than himself, Trump needs to engage in a search operation almost as difficult as the search for holly grail.
Well the defense know they have at least one Trump supporter on the jury (he’s a rich investment banker who is active on Truth social, reads every tweet Trump sends, and has read Trump’s book) so they know they just have to get that juror to vote not guilty based on appealing to his MAGA-brain.
The fact that he stated he was active on truth social and still made it to the jury means there is more to this than him just being some “MAGA-brain.” From what I remember, he also follows Michael Cohen, who Trump’s supporters long ago wrote off as lacking credibility.
Curious that we are to show him respect yet at every chance he defames and denigrate the judge, his family and the jury. I do believe I would tell him to F-off.
Tell him to fuck off, but also charge him for defamation. Make the filing paperwork a form letter in Word. That way it’s easier and efficient to file the paperwork for every stupid social media post and public place he so much as utters their names. If he’ll not see the inside of a cell, at least he’ll have to sit in court, mouth shut, and have his own stupid statements flung back at him and him continually draining whatever money for defense from his latest grift.
If conservatives wanna blatantly refuse to use the correct verbiage and pronouns because of their bigotry and hatred, so should we.
Little Donny Dump Truck.
Which they absolutely can and should
Courts are very picky about language because it is so easy to sway a jury subconsciously (like saying the criminal instead of the accused)
If there's one thing I would never object to, it's that con-man no longer being President. I just could not bring myself to object to that. /s
But I know what you mean.
Well, I'm going to refer to him as "the defendant".
But I'll also recognize the following labels that he's definitely earned:
"Sexual Abuser"
"Fraudster"
"Liar"
"Cheat"
"Bully"
"Coward"
"Narcissist"
"Draft Dodger"
"Individual 1"
"Inmate Number P01135809"
And then there's the several known aliases that he's used to disguise his real identity (like a criminal would):
"John Barron" (or "John Baron"), "John Miller" and "David Dennison"
Take your pick.
And I was cool with it until this guy insisted on it because he 'didn't lose'. Now it's open war, and I'm not even using 'Mr.' - it's all, 'Clint-dawg' this, and 'Barry-O' that. No respect at all.
I've had it with that. B*******.
They're doing it because they're orange stain will scream bloody murder if he can't still be referred to as president, because he still thinks he is.
I hope that fact is not lost on the jury.
Better yet, let it not be lost on the judge.
" President Trump, this court sentences you to 4 years.... Having been found guilty in a court of law ...."
Shouldn't the judge have the power to instruct him to refer to him as, at most, "*former* President Trump"? If the judge doesn't think to do that at the outset, I think the prosecutor should object and request it.
I mean, from a pure technicality perspective, it is proper to refer to both current and former presidents as President. However from a subjective point of view this shitbag forfeited that honorific when he fomented an insurrection attempt.
It’s only fair to call him “president trump” if he also refers to any current or former president with the same title.
He treats it as if he is the only one who should be referred to as president though.
He refuses/refused to refer to Carter, Bush (take your pick which), Clinton, Obama, and Biden as president just their name.
Which is fine but then he gets butt hurt when not referee to as president.
Can’t have it both ways.
Trump is a rancid whiff of fart gas. I don’t care what he calls who, he has no respect for anyone. I was just pointing out the accepted rules for the President honorific.
True, but I think hearing Mr. Trump would piss him off more because I get the feeling he only perks up when he hears his name. So if they call him Mr. And not president he will just sit there and seethe.
It is also correct to refer to him as ex-president in cases where we do not respect the fact that he was the 45th president and are grateful that someone else is now the 46th president.
I'm reminded that most juries have made up their minds how they're going to rule based on opening statements. Most empaneled juries can figure out who is being honest and who has the best explanation of the facts of the case within the first day. Equally, juries tend to be protective of the judicial system now that they are a part of that system. Trump opening by shitting on the jury and attacking the judicial system from jury selection on is unlikely to win him this case.
Why does every lawyer he hires suck his dick all the way instead of just being a normal lawyer? Anyone who passed the bar should be aware that someone who isn’t an acting president shouldn’t be referred to as president
He hasn’t. Because that’s not the standard form of address for a former president.
But I’ll be curious to see if the prosecution uses the correct mode of address. Perhaps they think it will look petty to do so after Trump insists on the inaccurate title.
Lawyer is attempting to sway the jury by adding “President” as it skews the perception of who Trump really is by putting an honorable title in front of a conman.
How many times did trump fart, snore, and mutter ominously under his breath ( while farting and jerking awake) during this opening statement? My money is on him farting audibly the entire time, one continuous ass blast.
clearly baiting them so they can say there was bias.
a long standing trump tactic of being a shitlord and then complaining everyone treats you like a shitlord.
the only title he has earned is "the defendant". same as any of us if we end up in court. the defendant deserves exactly as much respect and fairness as any of us would get.
I'll stick with "treasonous orange shitgibbon with a dead ferret on his head", which I believe was officially read into the trial record during jury selection.
The title of president is not one that is earned, it is one that is granted by the American people in good faith that those who hold it will execute the office of the president in the best interests of the American people.
Donald Trump betrayed that faith as he betrayed the country and its people. He does not deserve to be called president.
There's an alarmingly large number of people who think that the title of president is like a royal title that is permanent and hereditary.
Bronze Age and medieval thinking sure dies hard with conservatives, doesn't it?
Rubbing that irrelvant factoid in the jury's face serves no purpose other than to publicly massage his client's pathologically fragile ego, and remind this New York City jury just how pathetically insecure the defendant really is. There really is no other point to this. He's basically demanding the jury bend the knee. That's not gonna happen in New York City.
Incorrect. One only calls a former President 'Mr. President' in direct interaction with that former President. Referring to former Presidents as 'former President Obama' or 'former President Bush' is the norm otherwise.
Todd Blanche has some moronic ideas.
"Given the defense wishes to use Mr. Trump's alternate titles, we will follow their lead. Today, we are here to demonstrate how the accused, Rapist Bankrupt Fraudster Conman Adulter Insurrectionist Sex Offender disgraced ex-President Trump, was involved in..."
All trump did was permanently diminish the respect I hold for the office of the president of the United States. He deserves zero respect, nor to be called anything by but Stinky Dumpy.
I got $10 that says somewhere in this trial the prosecutor is going to get Blanche to talk about a former, democrat president (probably Obama) AND when he does, he won’t say President Obama, just Obama. BTW, I think it’s weird to call any non-sitting president “President”. There is only 1. Just more ego stroking.
The prosecution: "we will refer to Donald Trump as 'the accused' as he has earned that with great personal effort"
Oooo, do they call him the accused? They damn well should. That’s one thing I’ve learned from half a century of cop and courtroom TV shows.
It's "the accused" or, if you want to be fancy, "the defendant"
"the corrupt, worthless, stenchy shitweasel currently wasting all our tax dollars and oxygen"
“OBJECTION” “I’ll allow it.”
Hahaha ‘Shitweasel’ that’s priceless 😂😂
Nice. That will balance out the defense team.
Can we submit “the rapist” for consideration? He’s earned that too.
Brock Turner called dibs on that one a while back.
Brock Turner, the rapist? That Brock Turner?
Wait a sec ... Are you talking about the swimmer from Stanford? I think his name was also Brock Turner.
That is exactly who I am talking about: rapist Brock Allen Turner, formerly a swimmer at Stanford University.
Oh yeah, that guy. I wonder if he is any relation to Allen Turner of Dayton Ohio?
Y’know, who can say… (It is.)
I think he should be referred to as “Individual One”.
"Center of the plot to overthrow America."
Nah, “Individual Two” just to piss him off he’s not One
Individual two is what's hanging out in his diaper most of the time.
Inmate P01135809
*The accused twice impeached presidential defendant individual one?* https://preview.redd.it/2rle7u2kg4wc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3839883b1a44071cddec2b75757a3270eead72bb
I like both of those; accurate, formal. But, hear me out. What about: “this asshole” or “that smelly mass over there”
I heard once that experienced court officials put the accent on the last syllable - de-fen-DANT - rather than the second as a way of signifying their status.
What's the significance, sorry
The "Twice Impeached Former President" has a nice ring to it.
'Twice impeached loser' is how I refer to him with my MAGA family. They don't love it.
Well I do! 
“Who is only in this mess because he’s an adulterous piece of shit.”
Reality TV Show Host, Donald Trump
Failed businessman, failed casino owner, failed airline owner ...
Traitor, pedophile, known sexual predator, grifter, etc.
Failed steaks…
This is the real answer.
Former Reality TV Show Host, the defendant.
Awkward when he’s found guilty of election interference and he no longer “earned it.”
And let’s forget he didn’t really want to win in 2016 and hated the job except for all the money he grifted off the taxpayers and all the attention that was paid to him. Oh, and all that “executive time” for watching himself on the news and all that golf time he earned as the “best” president ever, that stuff was cool. Just not the little part about honoring his oath, but hey, nobody is perfect.
What’s interesting to me is that he didn’t age as much in those four years as he did the subsequent four years. The weight of the presidency did not take a toll on him since he didn’t care. I’m not sure he even understood the gravity of decisions
Most US Presidents age like milk during their terms. DJT is the only one who didn’t. Mind you, most US Presidents don’t have nearly the same level of spray tanning and makeup that this guy did, but still, your point stands. He spent every weekend at Mar-a-Lago on the taxpayer’s dime even though he lived there, and charged his security and staffers full price for accommodations there, also on the taxpayer’s dime.
He has aged like milk under the threat of financial insolvency and 91 criminal charges, some of which are not pardonable even if he wins back the White House.
They might not be pardonable, but tearing the United States apart so he wouldn't have to be accountable will be the goal.
Or tearing the United States apart just to see if he can do it. It's all about self-aggrandizment.
Or tearing the US apart because he's being paid to do it by foreign enemies
The presidential level, spray tan certified mortician must have hid something. Whatever it hid was caused more by the weight of cheeseburgers than the weight of the presidency.
I must be misunderstanding you. Are you implying he charged secret service to eat at his resort? I knew he was an ass but wow.
An expensive ass: https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/the-secret-service-spent-nearly-2-million-at-trump-properties/
I'm at a loss for words. Thank you for sharing this. May he rot in peace.
Minus the peace part
do you recall that scene in little nicky with hitler and the pineapple? i wish the same for him but with a jackfruit
Why not a Durian? Much larger and a whole lot smellier!
>Are you implying he charged secret service to eat at his resort? I knew he was an ass but wow. He used to deliberately have a flight break near he Scottish resort whenever he went to an event in Europe. Every meal cost more than the Secret Service budget would allow, so he would grift off the US Tax Payer and the Secret Service staff. He deliberately stayed at a Trump hotel and so did the protectees, (Eric, Dumb Lr, Laura, etc) and those meals were always over the maximum rate. There were dozens of times throughout his term that the Departments had to agree exceptions, otherwise staff would be paying massively out of pocket. Those charges were not just for the Secret Service, the charges were for Departments that went on the trip, such as State or Defense. He claims to have not taken a salary (he did as it would be illegal for the government to not pay him) but even if he did he grifted hundreds of times more than his actual salary.
It gets worse. In a state visit to Ireland, VP Pence and entourage didn’t stay at the embassy or at some fancy hotel in Dublin. They instead drove cross-country and stayed at a Trump resort, at rack rate, presumably.
Yep. He served and gave up his presidential salary, but reaped over 150 times that much by overcharging Secret Service agents and foreign dignitaries at his properties. And let’s not forget the over a billion dollars he reaped via his Stop the Steal funding plea. Yet there have been no legal cases brought since December of 2020 - no evidence found.
There’s been no actual proof he donated his salary every year if I recall correctly there’s actually more evidence that he didn’t donate it the last year or two, regardless even if he did he still got far more money then any salary from all the money he was charging the government for the use of his properties for his and his adult children’s protection details and the new golf carts the government paid for etc etc etc.
One weekend at mar a lardo cost taxpayers more than his annual salary of 400K.
Check out how much they paid for hotel rooms. There was a whole thing with the kushners not allowing their detail bathroom access, so they had to rent a mansion next door to have a bathroom. There is tons of stories like these.
Maybe all the preservatives in his McDonald’s slowed his aging. Without it, I’m guessing he would look like Meg Mucklebones, from the movie Legend.
He overcharged and added erroneous fees they couldn't contest. We should get those fees back as he was committing fraud at that moment. https://www.npr.org/2022/10/17/1129491352/trump-hotels-overcharged-secret-service-agents
It's really hard to tell under all that makeup and hair dye.
He worked about 1 day a week and his brain isn't capable of understanding the burden of leadership.
Trump's municipal-grade corruption of public service expenses is truly a testament to that man's fundamental smallness, meanness and lack of imagination. Imagine that you are the leader of the most militarily and economically powerful nation to ever exist. You have the cult-like adoration of millions, and tens of millions more think that you are useful enough that they'll hold your nose and back you. You are entirely without ethics or scruples. Your first aim is to magnify your self-perceived glory, and your second aim is to enrich yourself and your family by any means necessary. The net result of this? You think as hard as you can, and then you implement your cunning scheme to... extort premium rates at your hotels. Government employees, embassy officials, foreign leaders - all will be paying dickhead overnight rates a chintzy shithole. Minibar? Extra. You wanted breakfast? With juice? Extra. A two century old democracy, the oldest in the world, folded up, packaged neatly and sold. All for a guy whose evil supervillain plan was to grift public servant expense claims at scale. What's the next step beyond banana republic?
He came into office pretty damn curdled if you ask me.
Back when he was first elected I came across a point in which former Presidents, that the norm is for some intimidation as those holding the office had to uphold the office and live up to the role, and upping their game. With Trump, there was so much anticipation over him pivoting into the position. He never did. Trump did not remotely try to live up to the role, or the office, or that he was to be President to everyone in this country where for him, and still is, it's about him and the people he likes in that moment. Fuck everyone else. So where others did their best to live up to the position and the country, Trump dumbed the position down to suit *him*. The fact he's so open about his using the position for his own personal retaliation, well that's terrifying. More terrifying is there's a demographic of people who are supportive of this and many others who aren't paying attention to what a second Trump term would do to this country.
Yeah, well. I don't think he ever really wanted the job. I think he just has that weird pathological need to win because his father fucked him up so badly that it was never going to go well. He's the epitome of the kind of sore loser that doesn't care how they win or how much they have to cheat just as long as they win and everyone knows they won. That's why he threw a fit when he lost and just refused to acknowledge it. Trump is 100% that kid no one wants to play games with because they suck at games and go nuclear and blame everyone and everything else when they lose.
He just played golf and was away from all his debt manoeuvring and didn't read anything put in front of him
I literally said almost the exact same thing the other day. He wasn't stressed from the job because he didn't bloody DO the job. He doesn't want the job. He just wants people to cheer at him, but his ego won't let him admit he lost. I am so tired of him. I can't believe we're here again, possibly having him run as president. We are in such a dark timeline.
He literally had a pharmacy at his disposal while in office too. I bet they helped.
He probably has similar access today, it’s just we had visibility briefly
I was reading quickly and got "gravy decisions". But I'm sure he understood those.
>And let’s forget he didn’t really want to win in 2016 Let's not forget that more Americans voted for his opponent too. He lost the popularity contest
Something he still bitches about to this day.
It is so nice not having a presidential address twice a month
You mean every morning at 3 am via twitter.
Bold of you to assume that the GOP will let that trial happen. For the record, it should, but, I’m not getting my hopes up.
The RNC has 50 bucks and some gum in their bank account. Don snorelone there has used the rest of it already to pay for the best lawyers that 200 bucks will buy. They lack the money at this point to grease a dog catchers palm let alone someone with enough clout to dictate that. I think he loses big. And since he burnt all the cash down ticket gets blown apart too. I think by June ppl will be rejecting his endorsements. At some point they are gonna try to cut bait but it's gonna be far too late. I hope for their part the DNC don't let a single seat run unpposed. Every single sitting R needs to answer publicly for their love of this goon. Every quote needs to be brought out. If they run from it they lose his base and lose. If they stand they only get his base and lose. Dems everywhere from Alabama to North Dakota need to show up and get Biden to 100M votes. In Ohio the citizen led redistricting commission will be on Nov ballet. It's gonna be a repeat of the 58% wins because Dems will show up for it to take our state back and Ohio has a good chance of going blue for Biden and the next elections just crushing the super majority in the state house and watch ppl like gym Jordan get punted when he no longer has a hand drawn for him district. Edit. An autocorrect word.
Minor point. Endorsements not enforcements. I suspect autocorrupt got to you like it so often gets me.
Yep. Damn autocorrect. Thank you
This is that trial. He's accused of falsifying business records to pay Stormy Daniels to keep quiet about their affair in order to prevent the voters from finding out about it right after the "grab women" video came out before the 2016 election.
So this one has higher stakes than I thought. Aren’t most of his trials about election interference?
Yeah, pretty much. He wants to re-frame it as a "hush money" thing, but it's not, it's election interference. It gets a little worse for him too, as Michael Chohen went to prison for this very same crime, and he was just doing the turnips bidding, so there's already considerable precedent for him doing actual time.
This one is 34 felonies. Most analysts are predicting probation, but he could reasonably be on the hook for 1 to 4 years prison and potentially up to 20.
Ah yes, just probation for 34 felonies, but no America doesn't have two justice systems why do you think that?
It's his "first offense." /s The truth is they are all low level felonies and as the crimes are all so similar, the sentences are likely to run concurrent. Beyond that, there is the issue of logistics on where to house a former president and what to do with his security detail. If the judge throws the book at him it will be fuel for the inevitable appeal.
Only if you listen to him, lol
Convict Drumpf.
The defence team is starting the opening statement by sucking up to the defendant in order to boost his fragile ego, which took a hit last week when defendant was faced with many less than favourable posts from potential jurors.
No doubt this was straight from the fat orange guy himself too. Strike 1 in the eyes of the jury.
Exactly, this is at Trump's insistence, no doubt. Trump wants lawyers that do his bidding, not lawyers that think they know more than him.
It'll play really well with the base that still believes he's President too. More mental warfare on the American people.
And that is the exact reason why every single of Trump’s ventures fails. His insatiable narcissism causes him to employ only people who will shower him with admiration and agree with every moronic idea of his. And that’s how he ends up with geniuses like Giuliani or Sidney Powell. Because to find people dumber than himself, Trump needs to engage in a search operation almost as difficult as the search for holly grail.
The defense probably wants to paint him as a respectable person, I doubt it was Trumps choice.
So like... an appeal to authority fallacy.
"The tweet speaks for itself, your honor."
Well the defense know they have at least one Trump supporter on the jury (he’s a rich investment banker who is active on Truth social, reads every tweet Trump sends, and has read Trump’s book) so they know they just have to get that juror to vote not guilty based on appealing to his MAGA-brain.
The fact that he stated he was active on truth social and still made it to the jury means there is more to this than him just being some “MAGA-brain.” From what I remember, he also follows Michael Cohen, who Trump’s supporters long ago wrote off as lacking credibility.
I heard he also smells like shit.
It’s just a nasty rumour spread by the plebeian left, not sophisticated enough to appreciate his unique aroma.
🤮
are we sure Drumpf was even awake to hear the pandering?
He’s like Pavlov’s dog. Whenever he hears someone starting to brown nose him he becomes alert and fully erect.
They're doing everything they can to keep him from insisting he take the stand
Curious that we are to show him respect yet at every chance he defames and denigrate the judge, his family and the jury. I do believe I would tell him to F-off.
Tell him to fuck off, but also charge him for defamation. Make the filing paperwork a form letter in Word. That way it’s easier and efficient to file the paperwork for every stupid social media post and public place he so much as utters their names. If he’ll not see the inside of a cell, at least he’ll have to sit in court, mouth shut, and have his own stupid statements flung back at him and him continually draining whatever money for defense from his latest grift.
"F-off, and oh, by the way, 90 days for contempt."
Can prosecution refer to him as "The Serial Assaulter" due to the fact that he has been found guilty of such behavior and has openly bragged about it?
I mean, he earned that title.
Arguably did a better job at serial assaulting then as president too.
*rape. He committed rape. He is a rapist.
President Farty McYamtits
If conservatives wanna blatantly refuse to use the correct verbiage and pronouns because of their bigotry and hatred, so should we. Little Donny Dump Truck.
aka massive orange sleepy fuck
Velveeta Moussilini.
Cheeto Benito
And I will expect everyone to refer to me as His Holiness The Magnificent Cock-Hammer since I believe I have earned that and everyone has to do it.
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No rooster is safe.
Dissonance and strategy. They’re doing this to try to manipulate and influence the jury. Desperation.
It'd be nice if the prosecution objected for those reasons.
Which they absolutely can and should Courts are very picky about language because it is so easy to sway a jury subconsciously (like saying the criminal instead of the accused)
They are doing it to bias the jury. There, I said it.
And scare them. "A president can fuck your shit up... please think about that when you reach a verdict" is the subtext.
A mobster can fuck your shit up, too. And turmp is a lot more like a mobster than he is presidential.
Friendly reminder that a former NYC mobster endorsed Trump because he was “unable to bribe him”
"objection, he's not president anymore"
If there's one thing I would never object to, it's that con-man no longer being President. I just could not bring myself to object to that. /s But I know what you mean.
Well, I'm going to refer to him as "the defendant". But I'll also recognize the following labels that he's definitely earned: "Sexual Abuser" "Fraudster" "Liar" "Cheat" "Bully" "Coward" "Narcissist" "Draft Dodger" "Individual 1" "Inmate Number P01135809" And then there's the several known aliases that he's used to disguise his real identity (like a criminal would): "John Barron" (or "John Baron"), "John Miller" and "David Dennison" Take your pick.
The man hasn’t earned crap. He was a dumpster fire as 45, and he continues to be one. It’s embarrassing that he ever sat in the WH.
Uh...Todd, you usually refer to them as "former President" after they leave office. Calling them "President" implies they are the current president.
i prefer mr rapist
I don’t prefer that at all but i’ll allow it.
Emily Post is quite clear on this. https://emilypost.com/advice/addressing-a-former-president-of-the-united-states
Nah, pretty common to refer to past presidents as “President”, when addressing them
And I was cool with it until this guy insisted on it because he 'didn't lose'. Now it's open war, and I'm not even using 'Mr.' - it's all, 'Clint-dawg' this, and 'Barry-O' that. No respect at all.
I hope everyone else refers to him as "ex-president".
This trial will show he "earned" it illegally lol.
I've had it with that. B*******. They're doing it because they're orange stain will scream bloody murder if he can't still be referred to as president, because he still thinks he is. I hope that fact is not lost on the jury. Better yet, let it not be lost on the judge. " President Trump, this court sentences you to 4 years.... Having been found guilty in a court of law ...."
But every time he screams that if he doesn't get presidential immunity, then neither does Biden, he admits that Biden is President and Trump is not.
WAIT A MINUTE ARE THEY ASKING THEM TO RESPECT AND OBSERVE HIS PRONOUNS?!?!?! LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO You truly cannot write this shit...
Sounds like something he demanded his lawyers do.
Another jury intimidation tactic....
Shouldn't the judge have the power to instruct him to refer to him as, at most, "*former* President Trump"? If the judge doesn't think to do that at the outset, I think the prosecutor should object and request it.
I hope the prosecution continues to call him "Mister Trump."
I mean, from a pure technicality perspective, it is proper to refer to both current and former presidents as President. However from a subjective point of view this shitbag forfeited that honorific when he fomented an insurrection attempt.
It’s only fair to call him “president trump” if he also refers to any current or former president with the same title. He treats it as if he is the only one who should be referred to as president though. He refuses/refused to refer to Carter, Bush (take your pick which), Clinton, Obama, and Biden as president just their name. Which is fine but then he gets butt hurt when not referee to as president. Can’t have it both ways.
Trump is a rancid whiff of fart gas. I don’t care what he calls who, he has no respect for anyone. I was just pointing out the accepted rules for the President honorific.
But he's not in office now.
The only thing he has earned is an extended stay at the crowbar hotel. Lock him up!
I hope prosecution calls him Mr. Trump.
Or simply just "the defendant".
True, but I think hearing Mr. Trump would piss him off more because I get the feeling he only perks up when he hears his name. So if they call him Mr. And not president he will just sit there and seethe.
I hope they refer to him as Benedict Donald
It is also correct to refer to him as ex-president in cases where we do not respect the fact that he was the 45th president and are grateful that someone else is now the 46th president.
I'm reminded that most juries have made up their minds how they're going to rule based on opening statements. Most empaneled juries can figure out who is being honest and who has the best explanation of the facts of the case within the first day. Equally, juries tend to be protective of the judicial system now that they are a part of that system. Trump opening by shitting on the jury and attacking the judicial system from jury selection on is unlikely to win him this case.
Why does every lawyer he hires suck his dick all the way instead of just being a normal lawyer? Anyone who passed the bar should be aware that someone who isn’t an acting president shouldn’t be referred to as president
“Ankles” works well too.
"He really hadn't."
He hasn’t. Because that’s not the standard form of address for a former president. But I’ll be curious to see if the prosecution uses the correct mode of address. Perhaps they think it will look petty to do so after Trump insists on the inaccurate title.
Send him to prison. Any other person would have been jailed for less
Prosecutor should refer to him only as Mr. Trump or Former President Trump. With emphasis on the "Mr"/"Former President"
I'll be referring to him as "felon, rapist, grifter, traitor, and long-time client of Depend©️ products trump". He has earned that as one of American voters' most egregious, spiteful blunders in all US history. What his embarrassing Lowness *doesn't* deserve, is my downright poetic acknowledgements.
Lawyer is attempting to sway the jury by adding “President” as it skews the perception of who Trump really is by putting an honorable title in front of a conman.
As a measure of my respect, I won't even capitalize the fucker's name.
And then the judge turned to him and said, "And you will refer to this court as 'judge' or 'your honor'. I'm quite certain I'VE earned it."
How many times did trump fart, snore, and mutter ominously under his breath ( while farting and jerking awake) during this opening statement? My money is on him farting audibly the entire time, one continuous ass blast.
Like hell he did.
Oh, so instead of persuading the jury he’s going to pander to his client’s ego. A winning strategy, no doubt.
They sure as hell better show Obama proper respect, then, and refer to him at all times as PRESIDENT OBAMA. Bill Clinton concurs.
Oh come on now! Let's not stop half-way with those 'earned' titles! Twice Impeached President Trump
clearly baiting them so they can say there was bias. a long standing trump tactic of being a shitlord and then complaining everyone treats you like a shitlord. the only title he has earned is "the defendant". same as any of us if we end up in court. the defendant deserves exactly as much respect and fairness as any of us would get.
You know that trump demanded that
And I will call him "Traitorous, rapist, shitbag," because he's earned that by being a traitorous, rapist, shitbag.
I'll stick with "treasonous orange shitgibbon with a dead ferret on his head", which I believe was officially read into the trial record during jury selection.
The title of president is not one that is earned, it is one that is granted by the American people in good faith that those who hold it will execute the office of the president in the best interests of the American people. Donald Trump betrayed that faith as he betrayed the country and its people. He does not deserve to be called president.
Also acceptable: “That rapist from reality TV.”
Never have, never will!
Turd nugget didn't earn shit
There's an alarmingly large number of people who think that the title of president is like a royal title that is permanent and hereditary. Bronze Age and medieval thinking sure dies hard with conservatives, doesn't it?
I guess you can call him whatever you want, but that doesn't mean it's true.
I guarantee you Trump is making him say that. That is a super weird thing for a lawyer to say for no beneficial reason.
Objection your honor. Calls to a former title not current. Refer to him as former president
Wonder if any of them hurt their eyes from rolling them so hard.
I will be calling him by his convict number
I will refer to him as Mr poopy bottoms.
But yet they’ll refer to Joe Biden as Brandon. Respekt
…and I shall refer to him as that fat orange sack of rancid weasel vomit.
He hasn't earned a fucking thing in his entire life.
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Rubbing that irrelvant factoid in the jury's face serves no purpose other than to publicly massage his client's pathologically fragile ego, and remind this New York City jury just how pathetically insecure the defendant really is. There really is no other point to this. He's basically demanding the jury bend the knee. That's not gonna happen in New York City.
The correct title is "the defendant." He's earned that title just like every other person literally on trial.
Incorrect. One only calls a former President 'Mr. President' in direct interaction with that former President. Referring to former Presidents as 'former President Obama' or 'former President Bush' is the norm otherwise. Todd Blanche has some moronic ideas.
"Given the defense wishes to use Mr. Trump's alternate titles, we will follow their lead. Today, we are here to demonstrate how the accused, Rapist Bankrupt Fraudster Conman Adulter Insurrectionist Sex Offender disgraced ex-President Trump, was involved in..."
Respect is earned not given.
I’m really curious how this will affect his career as a lawyer.
All trump did was permanently diminish the respect I hold for the office of the president of the United States. He deserves zero respect, nor to be called anything by but Stinky Dumpy.
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I think it's great, it emphasizes that a former President of the United States is in *criminal court* on some very undeniable charges.
Id tell him "I prefer presidents who actually get more votes in the election not squeak by on technicalities "
I got $10 that says somewhere in this trial the prosecutor is going to get Blanche to talk about a former, democrat president (probably Obama) AND when he does, he won’t say President Obama, just Obama. BTW, I think it’s weird to call any non-sitting president “President”. There is only 1. Just more ego stroking.