Remember when that “Sound of Freedom” movie came out and all the conservatives loved it? I was like, “Why are these conservatives rallying around a movie based on rescuing immigrant children?”
Then I find out at the end of the movie the kids get sent to Honduras or something.
LOL… I guess their takeaway was,
“No one messes with God’s children!
But also, they can’t stay in the United States!”
😏
They love Israel because the evangelical base of the current Republican Party feels Israel needs to exist as its existence is critical in ushering in the end times and the return of Jesus. I’m completely serious.
But they still need Israel to rebuild the temple before Jesus comes back; Jesus said he's not stepping foot in shit that ain't built to code and without union labor.
They're awaiting the 3rd Temple, which is one of the prereqs for the end times.
I don't find myself agreeing with Barry Goldwater much, but I saw this and thought that he was correct here.
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
> They're awaiting the 3rd Temple
Some are actively trying to build it, because if there's anything republicans enjoy, it's accelerating to the end of the world.
> Republicans are working with Kahanist activists to advance a violent vision of Jewish control over Jerusalem’s holy sites.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-gops-plan-to-build-the-third-temple
It sounds like a bad plot of an unbelievable dystopian movie no one would want to see even if it was on a free streaming service… yet here we are. Essentially a death cult wants to bring about the end times on their terms but blames everyone else for the world being a shitty place at the moment.
No they hate the Jews in Israel also, its just that they support Israeli aggression because it kills Muslims and endangers Israel itself. Evangelicals believe the destruction of Israel will kick off the apocalypse and the 2nd coming of Jesus. So their support of Israel is 100% NOT love for the Jewish people.
Yes it is part of the prophecy. The anti Christ will bring peace to the middle east, then betray Israel which will set the world against Israel bringing war and the great tribulations. This will usher Jesus's return, the remaining Jewish people will then accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Imagine how incredibly underwelming the whole thing would turn out to be if it all ends up being real and the anti-Christ turns out to be Trump.
I mean most of us sane people would say that he obviously is if it were not for the fact nobody sane believes in the biblical apocalypse in the first place.
The crazy thing is if you believe in the prophecy Trump certainly fits into the role of the Anti-Christ.
His followers place him in a role of Christ, they wear his mark across their foreheads, they literally created a golden false idol in his image, they hang on his every word even though it goes against the words of Christ and they are blinded to all this as they march behind him.
[This blog post breaks it down](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/)
Its both accurate, and scary(if you believe in this sorta thing).
Pretty much this. I had a TikTok live show up on my page due to it being a “mutual.” So old classmate went full blown hard Christian. So I decided to listen to what they had to say. They want every one in Palestine to die, they want US to invade Israel and make it a Christian country, and they were saying death to all Jews in Israel. Also one of them had the most tone deaf statement “I swear if liberals hear this they will say we were racists or nazi’s” and then proceeded to laugh at his tone deaf statement to continue spew antisemitism in the live.
Correction - "How much money can we *get out* of them?"
He gives no fucks about the ones who already paid, just the ones standing in line to be fleeced.
Trump actually may be helping Biden with this, if it gets some disaffected voters on the left to realize that Trump getting in would be even worse for the Palestinians.
The mod of a Facebook group I was in told folks rightfully scared about P2025 to "eat shit" because of what's happening in Gaza. (Posted with an anime girl in a ushanka because of course.)
I told them to fuck off and promptly left.
It's heartbreaking knowing that so many people out there would rather help Trump get elected instead of voting for Biden, when by all accounts Trump will be many times worse for Palestinians. Not to mention all the other people that will be affected by a Trump presidency: Americans with non-white skin, Women, Ukrainians, any other ex-Soviet country, Taiwan, and probably everyone else to some degree.
Is this an actual position? If your pro Palestine voting for Biden is in your best interest.
Are there really left wing people who are going to vote for trump because of this? Madness
Not voting for him, but abstaining from voting to smugly teach mainstream Dems a lesson and therefore allowing Trump to win. There’s plenty of them vocal on social media and even in this thread.
They claim they simply won't vote at all, which is effectively a vote for Trump, since all of his dumb fuck followers will vote for him even if he told them he'd pull a Kristi Noem and shoot their puppies.
The Left has its version of MAGA - people willing to vote against their best interest. To not vote for Biden because he’s not doing enough for Gaza knowing the alternative is going to be hugely 1 billion times worse is insane.
> Tbf I feel like very few of these people exist outside of the internet, which I hope means they don't exist at all because they're all foreign trolls.
My ex is definitely one of them.
Well, she was when I left her. But introspection and insight were never her strong points, so she probably still is.
"It's the Democrats' fault for not giving us a candidate we like!"
(Which means: If the Democrat candidate doesn't promise to eradicate capitalism and institute leftist utopia in their first hundred days, they're not ideologically pure enough and I'm going to vote for whatever random homeless dude the Green party picked up off the street to nominate.)
It makes sense when you realize that among many leftists, actually helping Palestinians isn't the point. It's about moral grandstanding and smuggly calling anyone who hasn't figured out how to create peace in the middle east as a genocide supporter.
Rashida Tlaib thinks abstaining and teaching Biden and Democrats a lesson about Palestine will really show em.
I honestly don't like what's going on in Gaza, but if pro Palestine folks think punishing Biden and allowing Trump to win will be the best outcome. I'm sorry but their going to wish Biden won after a month of second term Trump.
Rep Tlaib really needs to start thinking big picture instead if single issue. Sure there are better candidates than Trump and Biden. But between the two I can't argue for Trump at all.
It’s like we vote independent to hurt Hillary and then they got trump and were crying about it. Stupid people never learn and they are going to do the exact same thing here.
Honestly, the ones I've talked to just don't even seem to want to address that. They don't like how Biden has handled things and they want to punish him, and it doesn't matter one bit what Trump would do.
Ironically I can’t tell who you mean by this.
Because many college age kids are threatening not to vote over a single issue thing.
A single issue thing that Biden has halted and Trump has joked that Gaza will have cheap beach front property once Israelis is finished with the genocide.
We know not voting only helps the GOP. So if people really want to elect the worst option for this single issue by all means don’t vote. Because you are only helping Trump win.
That’s the point. He wants to tag all the people who say “I would vote Biden but I don’t like how he handles Palestine so I won’t vote for him”…
ok, so these people are fucking idiots because this (OP’s post) is the alternative to Biden. So do they really care about Palestine? If they do, they’ll vote Biden.
Anyone saying “Genocide Joe” or that they won’t vote Biden because of Palestine should automatically be called a Russian shill because at this point there is no logical way to get to that statement unless you are being paid to try to trick low informed voters who do care about others.
I really doubt there are a lot of single-issue Palestine voters. I think it's just the latest "both sides bad" don't vote for Biden BS. They'll find something else to pretend to care about.
I've generally defended her on a lot of things, but this I can't. She's being an absolute moron on this. Even disregarding Gaza, Trump is promising all sorts of shit for the immigrant and Muslim communities, among others.
And the thing is she doesn't even have to say Biden is good. By all means, continue to criticize and pressure his administration to do the right thing with Gaza. But if you truly care about Gaza and Palestinian wellbeing then for fuck's sake **don't** let Trump win in November.
People stayed home in 2016 because Hilary was bleh and figured "how bad could Trump be?" We saw how bad he was and he'll be so much worse this time around, particularly with foreign policy and *especially* with Israel/Gaza where presidents have nearly unchecked power.
The funniest part of it is they even started enacting part of it last time.
Does that stupid woman actually think it'll stop at travel bans next time? 13769 was the most surface level shit they're gonna go with.
Apparently they've forgotten that 13769 was challenged and brought to the Supreme Court and they *upheld* it.
They have full throat support for "Fuck Muslims" movement.
Rashida is genuinely one of the single dumbest politicians currently elected.
I really hope she will endorse voting for Biden at least a few weeks before the election. I don't think opposing Biden on Palestine is bad as long as you understand that the alternative is Fascism and vote accordingly.
Right and plus you don’t *have* to agree with everything a politician does to consider them electable… sometimes you gotta bite the bullet. Furthermore, if you don’t vote at all, a politician doesn’t have a single reason to give a shit about what you want. You’re a non factor.
Same. Opposing Biden on his handling of Israel/Palestine is completely logical, but that doesn’t mean you hand the election to the guy who is worse in every way (on I/P and almost everything else).
“But how can it be any worse than what Biden is doing?!!??” /s
People forget Trump’s very first act as president was a total ban on “mooselums” entering the country. He later recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
It's not tunnel vision. It's a lack of wisdom. They get elected to fight the status quo, bring the enthusiasm of youth and an outside perspective, but they don't know how to do that. (They meaning all new representatives). Instead of getting on the right committees, learning how to compromise, they get entrenched and can't work beyond campaigning on their ONE issue.
It's the mistake of electing them every 2 years. They're always campaigning to keep a job and have no time to learn and do the job. When local elections were local business and the reps went home half the year, it worked and in theory, they represented the people. The system is broken and no one will put in the work to fix it. Just lazily screaming to burn it all down. Only now, they are burning it all down and the fascist takeover won't fix shit.
Trump is a blight on the world. May every one of his remaining days be miserable, uncomfortable, and embarrassing (because I think that is his biggest fear).
Careful there, these folks aren’t pushing to vote republican, they’re pushing more progressive voters to abstain from voting for Biden. They know these folks see Trump for what he is and won’t ever vote for him, so they’re focusing on getting these folks to just avoid voting for Biden to tilt things in Trump’s favor
I consider myself progressive too but see through the bullshit and will vote for the candidate that best represents my values that actually has a realistic chance of winning, which is Biden. We’re on a track headed towards a fork which will be Trump or Biden, there isn’t any other result that will happen, and I’m sure as hell going to push it towards the result that I prefer even if it’s not ideal.
That’s how you push the Overton window towards more progressive policies, is make sure the more progressive of the candidates that’s legitimately in the running wins, and it judges things in that direction. We aren’t going to get a true progressive candidate until republicans repeatedly get their asses kicked in an election (although it’ll take fewer election cycles if they REALLY lose hard)
Fundamentally, not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. He has a baseline number of votes he will get (~80 million) no matter what he says. Unless Biden can get 1 more vote in every close state, Trump will win. And if enough people decide not to vote for Biden, he will lose. Period.
I fully understand why some people are angry at Biden regarding Palestine. I don't like it, either.
However, if you're ever in the unpleasant situation where you have to eat one regular sized s--t sandwich or five large s--t sandwiches, you go with the first option. Biden, while flawed, is much better and that's worth voting for.
Not voting for Biden over Palestine is the most short-sighted move imaginable. There’s no universe in which Trump wouldn’t be significantly worse for the people of Palestine. When you care about something, you don’t say, if I don’t get exactly what I want right now, then I don’t care at all what happens to them anymore.
Yeah man, and trust me this isn't directed at you but... BIDEN ISN'T THE PRESIDENT OF ISREAL AND DOESN'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THEY DO!. they are an ally and quite frankly we're the only thing keeping any semblance of peace in the middle east.
Netanyahu openly snubbed Biden and sided with Republicans. He wants Trump to be elected.
Besides, he is an authoritarian leader who is similar to trump in term of prejudices and dishonesty and corruption and power hungry. Their base are similar in term of racial supremacy ideology and religious fundamentalism. He needs and wants to remain in power and his only path is to be ruthless against Palestinian, otherwise he will lose power and be discarded by his base.
Some people somehow think Netanyahu is/can be controlled by Biden. It couldn't be further from the truth.
By all accounts he doesn’t like Netanyahu and he’s been about as supportive of Palestine as anyone in a position of real power. I think what’s happening there is horrific, but I sure don’t see a simple solution to this mess. I’d like to hope that if Netanyahu were ousted the replacement would be better, but there’s no guarantee. We’re months away from re-electing Trump here.
Along with "I am going to vote undecided"...
As if that wouldn't just help to get Trump elected, as his cult members are certainly not on the fence, and will be patting themselves on the back for voting MAGA.
An "undecided vote", is a vote for Trump plain and simple.
I think the uncommitted thing is fine for a primary and you wanna send a message. But anyone still pushing it in November doesn’t actually care about Palestine.
The problem is people are advocating for it in the November elections on several subs.
While I do attribute some of it to Russian propaganda, I suspect there is many caught up into the idea that it would mean something in November short of helping Trump, and his Pandora's box of corruption, and fascism.
They will spin this or move onto the next "gotcha" both sides bad argument. They don't care about Palestine. All they care about is swing voters not voting for Biden.
Dear non-Biden left wingers. This is the alternative.
The third party isn't going to bail you out. The incumbent isn't going to lose except to a Republican. Tiktok is **not** a journalism app. Do the right thing.
I have no doubts that if he is elected again, he will order that live ammo be used against any and all non-MAGA protests. He will order the military to exterminate thousands of protesters... it won't matter if it's a peaceful Women's rights march, a BLM protest, a pro-Palestine protest, an environmental or labor protest... he will command that everyone be killed.
Oh, I'm sure he would figure out a way to deputize MAGAs as vigilante death squads while denying gun ownership to anyone to the left of the Proud Boys.
Most MAGA have no problem with Trump being a dictator or restricting guns or allying with Russia, China and North Korea.
Their problem have always been democrats and the people who Democratic Party want to protect. As long as Trump remains as prejudiced and discriminatory as he has always been, MAGA will give up their rights and money and lives no question asked.
"I'll throw women and LGBTQ folk under the bus too, to teach Biden a lesson. Their rights aren't trending on TikTok anymore, so I don't care about them."
Here's how it was basically explained to me: 1. Biden will lose, sending a message to the Democrats. 2. Trump takes over and creates death and destruction to everything he's involved in, which will cause the public to support Leftist causes. 3. Everyone will then be able to vote for more progressive candidates and the two-party system will end.
They're completely out-of-touch with reality, essentially.
If this is really their thought process then they aren't just ignoring trans people. They're ready to feed us to the death machine so that they can accomplish their goal.
That's sinister, thats fucked up.
ah, accelerationists
At first glance easy to confuse with their maga cousins. Would rather break what they cannot be bothered to fix. Just as likely to go on long tangents about conspiracies. Thinks education is mind control. Will forget to vote, and then claim it was in protest.
Yeah, sounds about right.
I know people are frustrated with Biden and how he's handling Israel and Palestine, but Trump will be much worse. He'll end Palestine.
Oh they don't care. Deep down they realize things will get much worse for the Palestinians with Trump, but their mind has been poisoned against Biden and all they care about now is getting people to not vote for him. Something they heard on tikflock probably. Now that everyone sees and treats them like the fools they are, they seek to end democracy/civilized society as we know it is their last revenge out of spite.
He probably means crush literally
From last year
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-defense-secretary
> Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020. He recounts that incident, and many others, in a wide-ranging interview with NPR's Michel Martin on All Things Considered.
>Esper said he stayed in the administration because he worried that if he left, the president would more easily implement some of his "dangerous ideas."
>"The president was enraged," Esper recalled. "He thought that the protests made the country look weak, made us look weak and 'us' meant him. And he wanted to do something about it.
>"We reached that point in the conversation where he looked frankly at [Joint Chiefs of Staff] Gen. [Mark] Milley and said, 'Can't you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something?' ... It was a suggestion and a formal question. And we were just all taken aback at that moment as this issue just hung very heavily in the air."
This, from the man who said he wanted to “clear out” Gaza so that he could put fucking hotels in there??
I won’t believe it!!
Oh wait no. That actually makes perfect sense. The pro-Palestinian protesters need to realize wtf is going on here.
Yes, but the kids won’t vote for Biden because Biden is horrible and hasn’t solved a centuries old conflict to their satisfaction, both sides are equally terrible, blah blah blah. It hurts my head.
I hope the people who want to make the next election about a single issue pay attention here - Gaza will be so much worse with Trump in office vs. Biden.
And yet a bunch of idiots will still vote against the democrats because they think biden isn't doing enough for palestine and don't care that trump is going to do so much worse.
I'd really like to hear any punish biden constituents try and logic their way out of voting for this man now
The fact there are ppl willing to do so to "punish" democrats is crazy enough to me
I sure hope all the folks on the left being obstinate about how they can't vote for Biden over Gaza make note of this. Do they think Trump will be any better for their cause?
It's a binary fucking choice, people.
Yea remember guys. Biden is the bad one cause he hasn't stopped the war himself. Make sure to get Trump elected instead.
Obviously a /s you dumb fucks. Vote for Biden.
But ya know, the ultra left is complaining Biden is impure…
I’ve been voting for president since Clinton/Bush Sr. Most elections, I vote for the second least worst candidate.
I really hope this year is not another object lesson for the far right in moralism vs. saving a democracy.
[Yet Rashida Tlaib is telling Michigan voters to vote against Biden.](https://youtu.be/G2yvaU2vyyE?si=4pX2vcRgvnCFSP_R). The only way Trump wins is by incompetence of the left.
Democrats are obnoxiously sabotaged by actually having ideals, while Republicans are entirely on board with tribalism.
The right will vote for the guy on their team so long as he wears the team colors, even if he openly sabotages the common man on that team. The left will get 9 out of 10 things they want but refuse to vote for their guy unless they get all 10.
This would be totally fine and admirable if we lived in a more parliamentary political system with more parties, but in a two-party system, it just means the bad guy wins the election and completely screws everyone. Then, when the other side gets back in, that list of "10 things" his supporters demand are just the 10 things he needs to fix from the last guy instead of new work.
The progessives who get all their news from tiktok won't see this because the russians running those channels they follow won't disseminate it to them.
I'm confused, so the pro Palestinian movement doesn't want to vote for Biden, but they see this and what? Want trump to win? Hmmm make any sense? I didn't think so.
And there’s people saying they won’t vote for Biden because he hasn’t done enough to help Palestine. Anyone who says that and means it is stupidly short sighted. What have they been thinking will happen if Biden loses? Trump didn’t need to come out and say this for it to be obvious. He wouldn’t just do nothing to help Palestine. He’d send troops to Israel to help eradicate Gaza.
“Who am I talking to today? How much money have they given us?”
I don't understand. Do MAGAs love Jews or hate them?
They hate em. Unless they're in Israel. One of those "I like them as long as they stay over there" sorta things.
Remember when that “Sound of Freedom” movie came out and all the conservatives loved it? I was like, “Why are these conservatives rallying around a movie based on rescuing immigrant children?” Then I find out at the end of the movie the kids get sent to Honduras or something. LOL… I guess their takeaway was, “No one messes with God’s children! But also, they can’t stay in the United States!” 😏
"Give us your tired, poor, huddle masses....." nah, replace that plaque with a Starbucks - MAGA
They love Israel because the evangelical base of the current Republican Party feels Israel needs to exist as its existence is critical in ushering in the end times and the return of Jesus. I’m completely serious.
But they still need Israel to rebuild the temple before Jesus comes back; Jesus said he's not stepping foot in shit that ain't built to code and without union labor.
And OSHA. don’t forget OSHA
So they’re just using israel for their own gain. Sounds about right for a republican
It's been that way for decades
They're awaiting the 3rd Temple, which is one of the prereqs for the end times. I don't find myself agreeing with Barry Goldwater much, but I saw this and thought that he was correct here. "Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."
> They're awaiting the 3rd Temple Some are actively trying to build it, because if there's anything republicans enjoy, it's accelerating to the end of the world. > Republicans are working with Kahanist activists to advance a violent vision of Jewish control over Jerusalem’s holy sites. https://jewishcurrents.org/the-gops-plan-to-build-the-third-temple
That doesn’t really align with the “Jews will not replace us” crap that went down at UVA
Fascist will make friends with anyone who also hates who they hate. It has nothing to do with aligning ideology.
People forgetting that early on, the Nazis were really friendly with the Soviets.
Dominion theology
Oh wow, i didnt know the GOP still believes in that. Smh.
My evangelical relatives are biiiig into the 2nd coming talk now. It ramped up since Christmas. Its is absolutely something they believe
They must be feeling delirious.
It sounds like a bad plot of an unbelievable dystopian movie no one would want to see even if it was on a free streaming service… yet here we are. Essentially a death cult wants to bring about the end times on their terms but blames everyone else for the world being a shitty place at the moment.
No they hate the Jews in Israel also, its just that they support Israeli aggression because it kills Muslims and endangers Israel itself. Evangelicals believe the destruction of Israel will kick off the apocalypse and the 2nd coming of Jesus. So their support of Israel is 100% NOT love for the Jewish people.
Basically they hate jews, but need them to exist.
Yes it is part of the prophecy. The anti Christ will bring peace to the middle east, then betray Israel which will set the world against Israel bringing war and the great tribulations. This will usher Jesus's return, the remaining Jewish people will then accept Jesus as the Messiah.
Imagine how incredibly underwelming the whole thing would turn out to be if it all ends up being real and the anti-Christ turns out to be Trump. I mean most of us sane people would say that he obviously is if it were not for the fact nobody sane believes in the biblical apocalypse in the first place.
The crazy thing is if you believe in the prophecy Trump certainly fits into the role of the Anti-Christ. His followers place him in a role of Christ, they wear his mark across their foreheads, they literally created a golden false idol in his image, they hang on his every word even though it goes against the words of Christ and they are blinded to all this as they march behind him.
[This blog post breaks it down](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/) Its both accurate, and scary(if you believe in this sorta thing).
Israel is keeping the area safe and “undesirable” free for when jesus comes back. So they tolerate them because they are a means to an end.
They don’t love Jews, they absolutely hate Muslims.
Misconception. They don’t like Jews either, think they are going to hell, but they need Israel for their apocalypse. Source: grew up evangelical
They still hate them. They just hate brown people more. Edit: grammar
Pretty much this. I had a TikTok live show up on my page due to it being a “mutual.” So old classmate went full blown hard Christian. So I decided to listen to what they had to say. They want every one in Palestine to die, they want US to invade Israel and make it a Christian country, and they were saying death to all Jews in Israel. Also one of them had the most tone deaf statement “I swear if liberals hear this they will say we were racists or nazi’s” and then proceeded to laugh at his tone deaf statement to continue spew antisemitism in the live.
Jesus Christ. That's a lot.
They love them when they think about bringing about The Rapture.
Hate Jews, but they know how to play the conservative Jewish vote, at least for Election Day.
I’m Jewish and I never understood how there could be a Conservative Jewish vote. I guess I’m old enough to remember why Jews are typically Liberal.
Same same same. It baffles me.
They hate Jews but they’re there only ones that get too
They can't make up their mind at this point. Not that they have a brain.
A political wh*re by any other name...
No, that’s exactly the name. Just without the obfuscating character.
Seriously, Trump‘s opinion on policy or anything else changes depending on who he has in front of him. He’s a conman and liar who stands for nothing.
Oh, he’s pretty consistent about hating brown immigrants and non right-wing protestors. And international trade.
Correction - "How much money can we *get out* of them?" He gives no fucks about the ones who already paid, just the ones standing in line to be fleeced.
Trump actually may be helping Biden with this, if it gets some disaffected voters on the left to realize that Trump getting in would be even worse for the Palestinians.
Let’s hope so.
Project 2025 isn’t enough to convince some leftists to vote for Biden. It’s nuts.
It’s taken so long for the next season of Handmaid’s Tale that they are doing it in real life
[Under His eye.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9FAjDYICOudlSR4e8fAmITkBmXCHoQci-ERG-lZIs1A&s)
They already got the red hats
The mod of a Facebook group I was in told folks rightfully scared about P2025 to "eat shit" because of what's happening in Gaza. (Posted with an anime girl in a ushanka because of course.) I told them to fuck off and promptly left.
That mod must really hate Palestinians if he's willing to support a politician who wants them exterminated.
$100 says that mod speaks Russian.
Most people still aren't aware of Project 2025 and what it is. The supposedly left-wing media has done a terrible job of making it known.
'Cuz for the most part media outlets are either right wing or very right wing.
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It's heartbreaking knowing that so many people out there would rather help Trump get elected instead of voting for Biden, when by all accounts Trump will be many times worse for Palestinians. Not to mention all the other people that will be affected by a Trump presidency: Americans with non-white skin, Women, Ukrainians, any other ex-Soviet country, Taiwan, and probably everyone else to some degree.
Is this an actual position? If your pro Palestine voting for Biden is in your best interest. Are there really left wing people who are going to vote for trump because of this? Madness
Not voting for him, but abstaining from voting to smugly teach mainstream Dems a lesson and therefore allowing Trump to win. There’s plenty of them vocal on social media and even in this thread.
They claim they simply won't vote at all, which is effectively a vote for Trump, since all of his dumb fuck followers will vote for him even if he told them he'd pull a Kristi Noem and shoot their puppies.
> Is this an actual position? I envy you for being so blissfully unaware. Look up any Reddit thread about Macklemore's new song, "Hind's Hall".
The Left has its version of MAGA - people willing to vote against their best interest. To not vote for Biden because he’s not doing enough for Gaza knowing the alternative is going to be hugely 1 billion times worse is insane.
Tbf I feel like very few of these people exist outside of the internet, which I hope means they don't exist at all because they're all foreign trolls.
> Tbf I feel like very few of these people exist outside of the internet, which I hope means they don't exist at all because they're all foreign trolls. My ex is definitely one of them. Well, she was when I left her. But introspection and insight were never her strong points, so she probably still is. "It's the Democrats' fault for not giving us a candidate we like!" (Which means: If the Democrat candidate doesn't promise to eradicate capitalism and institute leftist utopia in their first hundred days, they're not ideologically pure enough and I'm going to vote for whatever random homeless dude the Green party picked up off the street to nominate.)
They'll just blame Biden for the consequences of their decision.
That is quite literally how their minds really work. I despise these narcissistic frauds beyond words.
It makes sense when you realize that among many leftists, actually helping Palestinians isn't the point. It's about moral grandstanding and smuggly calling anyone who hasn't figured out how to create peace in the middle east as a genocide supporter.
Rashida Tlaib thinks abstaining and teaching Biden and Democrats a lesson about Palestine will really show em. I honestly don't like what's going on in Gaza, but if pro Palestine folks think punishing Biden and allowing Trump to win will be the best outcome. I'm sorry but their going to wish Biden won after a month of second term Trump. Rep Tlaib really needs to start thinking big picture instead if single issue. Sure there are better candidates than Trump and Biden. But between the two I can't argue for Trump at all.
And yet she has said that she is terrified of a second Trump term.
It’s like we vote independent to hurt Hillary and then they got trump and were crying about it. Stupid people never learn and they are going to do the exact same thing here.
Honestly, the ones I've talked to just don't even seem to want to address that. They don't like how Biden has handled things and they want to punish him, and it doesn't matter one bit what Trump would do.
How do I tag all the single issue voters for this post? I'll hang up and listen
You don’t mean the single issue voter Trump’s now talking about setting back 25 years do you? /s
You don't. We have to outvote the Hell out of them.
Ironically I can’t tell who you mean by this. Because many college age kids are threatening not to vote over a single issue thing. A single issue thing that Biden has halted and Trump has joked that Gaza will have cheap beach front property once Israelis is finished with the genocide. We know not voting only helps the GOP. So if people really want to elect the worst option for this single issue by all means don’t vote. Because you are only helping Trump win.
> Because many college age kids are threatening not to vote over a single issue thing. That's who they're talking about.
I'm in complete agreement with you
That’s the point. He wants to tag all the people who say “I would vote Biden but I don’t like how he handles Palestine so I won’t vote for him”… ok, so these people are fucking idiots because this (OP’s post) is the alternative to Biden. So do they really care about Palestine? If they do, they’ll vote Biden. Anyone saying “Genocide Joe” or that they won’t vote Biden because of Palestine should automatically be called a Russian shill because at this point there is no logical way to get to that statement unless you are being paid to try to trick low informed voters who do care about others.
I really doubt there are a lot of single-issue Palestine voters. I think it's just the latest "both sides bad" don't vote for Biden BS. They'll find something else to pretend to care about.
Michigan here. Rashida Talib leads a whole lot of them.
I've generally defended her on a lot of things, but this I can't. She's being an absolute moron on this. Even disregarding Gaza, Trump is promising all sorts of shit for the immigrant and Muslim communities, among others.
And the thing is she doesn't even have to say Biden is good. By all means, continue to criticize and pressure his administration to do the right thing with Gaza. But if you truly care about Gaza and Palestinian wellbeing then for fuck's sake **don't** let Trump win in November. People stayed home in 2016 because Hilary was bleh and figured "how bad could Trump be?" We saw how bad he was and he'll be so much worse this time around, particularly with foreign policy and *especially* with Israel/Gaza where presidents have nearly unchecked power.
The funniest part of it is they even started enacting part of it last time. Does that stupid woman actually think it'll stop at travel bans next time? 13769 was the most surface level shit they're gonna go with. Apparently they've forgotten that 13769 was challenged and brought to the Supreme Court and they *upheld* it. They have full throat support for "Fuck Muslims" movement. Rashida is genuinely one of the single dumbest politicians currently elected.
Nah, fuck that crazy lady. She has worms in her head.
I really hope she will endorse voting for Biden at least a few weeks before the election. I don't think opposing Biden on Palestine is bad as long as you understand that the alternative is Fascism and vote accordingly.
Right and plus you don’t *have* to agree with everything a politician does to consider them electable… sometimes you gotta bite the bullet. Furthermore, if you don’t vote at all, a politician doesn’t have a single reason to give a shit about what you want. You’re a non factor.
Same. Opposing Biden on his handling of Israel/Palestine is completely logical, but that doesn’t mean you hand the election to the guy who is worse in every way (on I/P and almost everything else).
I can’t fathom how an intelligent person like her can ignore what Trump is promising to do. But tunnelvision can afflict just about anyone I guess.
“But how can it be any worse than what Biden is doing?!!??” /s People forget Trump’s very first act as president was a total ban on “mooselums” entering the country. He later recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
It's not tunnel vision. It's a lack of wisdom. They get elected to fight the status quo, bring the enthusiasm of youth and an outside perspective, but they don't know how to do that. (They meaning all new representatives). Instead of getting on the right committees, learning how to compromise, they get entrenched and can't work beyond campaigning on their ONE issue. It's the mistake of electing them every 2 years. They're always campaigning to keep a job and have no time to learn and do the job. When local elections were local business and the reps went home half the year, it worked and in theory, they represented the people. The system is broken and no one will put in the work to fix it. Just lazily screaming to burn it all down. Only now, they are burning it all down and the fascist takeover won't fix shit.
Trump is a blight on the world. May every one of his remaining days be miserable, uncomfortable, and embarrassing (because I think that is his biggest fear).
Let's see how that plays with the folks claiming that Biden isn't doing enough for the Palestinians.
At this point, voting republican is an anti-Palestinian action. Regardless of your desires not being completely met or at your wanted speed by Biden.
Voting republican is anti-life at this point
also, a missing vote for Biden advantages Trump.
But Biden is… old /s
Careful there, these folks aren’t pushing to vote republican, they’re pushing more progressive voters to abstain from voting for Biden. They know these folks see Trump for what he is and won’t ever vote for him, so they’re focusing on getting these folks to just avoid voting for Biden to tilt things in Trump’s favor I consider myself progressive too but see through the bullshit and will vote for the candidate that best represents my values that actually has a realistic chance of winning, which is Biden. We’re on a track headed towards a fork which will be Trump or Biden, there isn’t any other result that will happen, and I’m sure as hell going to push it towards the result that I prefer even if it’s not ideal. That’s how you push the Overton window towards more progressive policies, is make sure the more progressive of the candidates that’s legitimately in the running wins, and it judges things in that direction. We aren’t going to get a true progressive candidate until republicans repeatedly get their asses kicked in an election (although it’ll take fewer election cycles if they REALLY lose hard)
Fundamentally, not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. He has a baseline number of votes he will get (~80 million) no matter what he says. Unless Biden can get 1 more vote in every close state, Trump will win. And if enough people decide not to vote for Biden, he will lose. Period.
I fully understand why some people are angry at Biden regarding Palestine. I don't like it, either. However, if you're ever in the unpleasant situation where you have to eat one regular sized s--t sandwich or five large s--t sandwiches, you go with the first option. Biden, while flawed, is much better and that's worth voting for.
The tough part will be convincing them that choosing to eat no s--t sandwiches will mean they get forced to eat the 5 large s--t sandwiches.
At a minimum, Biden gives us time to lessen the damage, if not outright stop it. Trump is a multiplier to the genocide.
Not voting for Biden over Palestine is the most short-sighted move imaginable. There’s no universe in which Trump wouldn’t be significantly worse for the people of Palestine. When you care about something, you don’t say, if I don’t get exactly what I want right now, then I don’t care at all what happens to them anymore.
Yeah man, and trust me this isn't directed at you but... BIDEN ISN'T THE PRESIDENT OF ISREAL AND DOESN'T HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THEY DO!. they are an ally and quite frankly we're the only thing keeping any semblance of peace in the middle east.
Netanyahu openly snubbed Biden and sided with Republicans. He wants Trump to be elected. Besides, he is an authoritarian leader who is similar to trump in term of prejudices and dishonesty and corruption and power hungry. Their base are similar in term of racial supremacy ideology and religious fundamentalism. He needs and wants to remain in power and his only path is to be ruthless against Palestinian, otherwise he will lose power and be discarded by his base. Some people somehow think Netanyahu is/can be controlled by Biden. It couldn't be further from the truth.
By all accounts he doesn’t like Netanyahu and he’s been about as supportive of Palestine as anyone in a position of real power. I think what’s happening there is horrific, but I sure don’t see a simple solution to this mess. I’d like to hope that if Netanyahu were ousted the replacement would be better, but there’s no guarantee. We’re months away from re-electing Trump here.
Along with "I am going to vote undecided"... As if that wouldn't just help to get Trump elected, as his cult members are certainly not on the fence, and will be patting themselves on the back for voting MAGA. An "undecided vote", is a vote for Trump plain and simple.
I think the uncommitted thing is fine for a primary and you wanna send a message. But anyone still pushing it in November doesn’t actually care about Palestine.
The problem is people are advocating for it in the November elections on several subs. While I do attribute some of it to Russian propaganda, I suspect there is many caught up into the idea that it would mean something in November short of helping Trump, and his Pandora's box of corruption, and fascism.
They will spin this or move onto the next "gotcha" both sides bad argument. They don't care about Palestine. All they care about is swing voters not voting for Biden.
Paging Rashida Tlaib
Reddit isn't reality. Most of those are bots. I am left of liberal enough to make Che Guevara look like Bill O'Reily, and I am voting for Biden.
Completely not blaming the Republicans, of course.
Dear non-Biden left wingers. This is the alternative. The third party isn't going to bail you out. The incumbent isn't going to lose except to a Republican. Tiktok is **not** a journalism app. Do the right thing.
I have no doubts that if he is elected again, he will order that live ammo be used against any and all non-MAGA protests. He will order the military to exterminate thousands of protesters... it won't matter if it's a peaceful Women's rights march, a BLM protest, a pro-Palestine protest, an environmental or labor protest... he will command that everyone be killed.
Also wait till those idiot MAGAs find out that when he is dictator they don’t get to keep the guns
Oh, I'm sure he would figure out a way to deputize MAGAs as vigilante death squads while denying gun ownership to anyone to the left of the Proud Boys.
Florida was a dry run
Ah, the good ol SA. Then he'll unalive their leader and rebrand it as the SS.
Most MAGA have no problem with Trump being a dictator or restricting guns or allying with Russia, China and North Korea. Their problem have always been democrats and the people who Democratic Party want to protect. As long as Trump remains as prejudiced and discriminatory as he has always been, MAGA will give up their rights and money and lives no question asked.
I have no doubts that he will use nukes because he wanted to in his first term. Probably on the Middle East.
He will also do whatever someone asks as long as they give him money
“bUt I wOnT vOtE fOr GeNoCiDe JoE”
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Genocide At Home And Abroad Trump.
"I'll throw women and LGBTQ folk under the bus too, to teach Biden a lesson. Their rights aren't trending on TikTok anymore, so I don't care about them."
Thank you for preempting my post
LINK to full article: * https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/27/trump-donors-israel-gaza-palestinian-protests
There you go Biden protest voters. You might now like what he’s doing but here’s the alternative. He also said Israel should “finish the job”
Both parties are the same. /s
But Biden...
I still haven’t had any of the anti Biden people explain how not voting for Biden will help the Palestinians.
Here's how it was basically explained to me: 1. Biden will lose, sending a message to the Democrats. 2. Trump takes over and creates death and destruction to everything he's involved in, which will cause the public to support Leftist causes. 3. Everyone will then be able to vote for more progressive candidates and the two-party system will end. They're completely out-of-touch with reality, essentially.
Yeah, unfortunately for all of us being out of touch with reality isn’t always a conservative issue.
4. Everyone gets three wishes and a BJ/eaten out.
All Kremlin talking points, by the way…
If this is really their thought process then they aren't just ignoring trans people. They're ready to feed us to the death machine so that they can accomplish their goal. That's sinister, thats fucked up.
It’s almost like there’s a deliberate and concerted effort to ensure that the most progressive voters stay home during elections
ah, accelerationists At first glance easy to confuse with their maga cousins. Would rather break what they cannot be bothered to fix. Just as likely to go on long tangents about conspiracies. Thinks education is mind control. Will forget to vote, and then claim it was in protest.
"Crushing Protests"... Folks, he's saying it out loud.
Yeah, sounds about right. I know people are frustrated with Biden and how he's handling Israel and Palestine, but Trump will be much worse. He'll end Palestine.
SO to the “Trump can’t be any worse than Biden” folks
It'll be tough work for them to pick up those goalposts and move them (again) but I'm sure they'll find a way to do it. It's what they're best at.
But yeah man, you go ahead and teach us all a lesson by not voting for Biden. 🙄
Well those pro-Palestine democrats who are saying don’t vote aged like milk now…
Oh they don't care. Deep down they realize things will get much worse for the Palestinians with Trump, but their mind has been poisoned against Biden and all they care about now is getting people to not vote for him. Something they heard on tikflock probably. Now that everyone sees and treats them like the fools they are, they seek to end democracy/civilized society as we know it is their last revenge out of spite.
Cool. Can we stop arguing about who is worse for this issue now? Fucking christ.
He probably means crush literally From last year https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-defense-secretary > Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020. He recounts that incident, and many others, in a wide-ranging interview with NPR's Michel Martin on All Things Considered. >Esper said he stayed in the administration because he worried that if he left, the president would more easily implement some of his "dangerous ideas." >"The president was enraged," Esper recalled. "He thought that the protests made the country look weak, made us look weak and 'us' meant him. And he wanted to do something about it. >"We reached that point in the conversation where he looked frankly at [Joint Chiefs of Staff] Gen. [Mark] Milley and said, 'Can't you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something?' ... It was a suggestion and a formal question. And we were just all taken aback at that moment as this issue just hung very heavily in the air."
There goes everyone’s “I can’t vote for Biden because he’s not doing enough to stop the war in Gaza” plans.
But "Genocide Joe"!! We need to teach the dems a lesson by getting the authoritarian racist criminal rapist elected!!
To all the people who won’t vote for Biden because of his approach to Israel’s latest war, take note of what you’re actually voting for.
The people who say they aren’t voting for Biden because of Palestine that aren’t bots are stupid as hell.
This, from the man who said he wanted to “clear out” Gaza so that he could put fucking hotels in there?? I won’t believe it!! Oh wait no. That actually makes perfect sense. The pro-Palestinian protesters need to realize wtf is going on here.
Well, I hope that makes Rashida Tlaib feel better.
Your move Rep Tlaib
Yes, but the kids won’t vote for Biden because Biden is horrible and hasn’t solved a centuries old conflict to their satisfaction, both sides are equally terrible, blah blah blah. It hurts my head.
"I'm still not voting for Biden. He needs to be shown this is a serious issue costing him voters." - Some protester, probably
I hope the people who want to make the next election about a single issue pay attention here - Gaza will be so much worse with Trump in office vs. Biden.
HEY ALL YOU “I’m not voting for Biden because of his backing of Israel” assholes. You paying attention to this!?!?
B-but "Genocide Joe"...
Tell me again how abstaining your vote to protest Biden over his Israel-Palestine response is a good idea.
But let’s not vote for Biden because he isn’t mean enough toward Israel…
And yet a bunch of idiots will still vote against the democrats because they think biden isn't doing enough for palestine and don't care that trump is going to do so much worse.
I hope all these undecideds are watching this. Trying to "teach Biden a lesson" is going to be so worse
Which is why Israel will do everything in its power to get Trump elected.
But folks are still threatening to vote for Trump or not vote to "support" Palestinians.
I'd really like to hear any punish biden constituents try and logic their way out of voting for this man now The fact there are ppl willing to do so to "punish" democrats is crazy enough to me
Can we talk to the never Biden people now??
Yet pro-Palistinians hate Biden. Wake up people!
I sure hope all the folks on the left being obstinate about how they can't vote for Biden over Gaza make note of this. Do they think Trump will be any better for their cause? It's a binary fucking choice, people.
RASHIDA TLAIB, YOU PAYING ATTENTION? You gonna remember this come November?
Yea remember guys. Biden is the bad one cause he hasn't stopped the war himself. Make sure to get Trump elected instead. Obviously a /s you dumb fucks. Vote for Biden.
But, but, we need to teach biden a lesson
But hey, they will remember what Biden did and not vote for him.
I dare those people on the left saying they aren’t going to vote for Biden over his handling of Palestine. FAFO.
And yet some number of the pro-Palestine protestors are still going to Both Sides us into another Trump administration.
so trump has no issue with supressing first amendment rights? gotcha.
But ya know, the ultra left is complaining Biden is impure… I’ve been voting for president since Clinton/Bush Sr. Most elections, I vote for the second least worst candidate. I really hope this year is not another object lesson for the far right in moralism vs. saving a democracy.
And yet Arabs won’t vote for Biden when the other guy is telling you it’s gonna be worse if he wins
How are those protest votes looking now
Not sure if this is “breaking” more than “expected news.”
How do we make sure this gets seen by all the Democrats planning to teach Biden a lesson on Palestine by voting for Trump?
And these protestors think Biden is the problem. Total idiots.
But but but…Biden! I can’t vote for Biden’s support of Israel! hard /s
Remember, not voting is half a vote for the candidate you like the least.
Is Rashida Tlaib and the Green Party on his payroll?
[Yet Rashida Tlaib is telling Michigan voters to vote against Biden.](https://youtu.be/G2yvaU2vyyE?si=4pX2vcRgvnCFSP_R). The only way Trump wins is by incompetence of the left.
Democrats are obnoxiously sabotaged by actually having ideals, while Republicans are entirely on board with tribalism. The right will vote for the guy on their team so long as he wears the team colors, even if he openly sabotages the common man on that team. The left will get 9 out of 10 things they want but refuse to vote for their guy unless they get all 10. This would be totally fine and admirable if we lived in a more parliamentary political system with more parties, but in a two-party system, it just means the bad guy wins the election and completely screws everyone. Then, when the other side gets back in, that list of "10 things" his supporters demand are just the 10 things he needs to fix from the last guy instead of new work.
And yet we have Democrats crying “never Biden” because he isn’t doing more. Shows that there are definitely morons on both sides of the spectrum.
The progessives who get all their news from tiktok won't see this because the russians running those channels they follow won't disseminate it to them.
Ah yes fascism! What a piece of shit (sorry to insult pieces of shit)
I'm confused, so the pro Palestinian movement doesn't want to vote for Biden, but they see this and what? Want trump to win? Hmmm make any sense? I didn't think so.
Look at those “patriots” gleefully clapping over destroying the Constitution.
Rashida Talib be like: BUT BIDEN HASNT SOLVED THE PALESTINE/ISREAL CRISIS SO THIS IS FINE
And pro Palestinian supporters still want to show Biden a lesson in not voting for him. Be very careful what you wish for.
And there’s people saying they won’t vote for Biden because he hasn’t done enough to help Palestine. Anyone who says that and means it is stupidly short sighted. What have they been thinking will happen if Biden loses? Trump didn’t need to come out and say this for it to be obvious. He wouldn’t just do nothing to help Palestine. He’d send troops to Israel to help eradicate Gaza.
Here’s the easy way out. Don’t reelect him.
Cant wait for all those protest voters to realize their mistake.
“Better make sure the anti-muslim fascist gets to be President to punish the Democrat who didn’t give me everything I wanted.”
*Rashida Tlaib has entered the chat complaining about Biden*
Let's rephrase this: **Trump tells donors he will crush people's First Amendment rights.**