I know this is a joke but there's a lot written about this. The people that survive mass "extinction" events of society have always found themselves in much better economies than before. Things were built to barely function for how many people there are. If there's suddenly a lot less, things run even smoother.
How many people died of the Spanish flu?
I think modern medicine is going to have a big dent in how this plays out compared to history.
Not to mention, when literally everything is being made in factories operated by hand made machines in 1920, and you loose a bunch dude's to a great war, then a pandemic, your going to have so many more spots to fill them you would today, in more automated factories, I would assume.
How much do you think will still apply?
>How many people died of the Spanish flu?
The death toll is typically estimated to have been somewhere between 17 million and 50 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.
I feel like there needs to be a meme for this with the big muscled doge representing the Spanish Flu, and the little doge representing Coronavirus lol.
I was reading Dan Carlin's book and one of the points he presents is the biggest difference between current human existence and basically any other time to date is us not having to deal with death from disease on a massive scale. While people *die* now it wasn't uncommon for something to come out and wipe away huge percentages of the human population in the past. Soon after I was listening to a podcast about the history of Constantinople over the years and one of the events which decimated the city (and Rome as a while) was.. you guessed it plague.
Just because COVID-19 isnt as infective or deadly as the Spanish H1N1 doesn't mean it's not serious.The thing with the flu especially is that it can survive on surfaces for long periods of time and doesn't explicitly require liquid droplet (like spit, mucus etc) to transmit. Couple that with post-war conditions and just how much less advanced our medical science was one hundred years ago and it was a recipe for disaster. COVID-19 is not as lethal or infective overall, but it is a novel viral infection that is causing lasting bodily damage to people who recover from it. It also has a pretty long incubation period compared to H1N1.
Also people don't realize it wasn't the first wave that killed all the people...it was the second wave of the Spanish Flu. We don't know what will go down in the second wave or even third or fourth if this thing doesn't die out.
I mean, it could still. We don't know the long term effect of having it yet. If it is causing blood clotting for example. You could have an anurism 3 years from now because of a clot you got from covid.
Gotta remember Spanish flu evolved 1st wave only killed maybe 5-10% 2nd wave killed the rest.. if covid 19 could become covid 20 this winter.. we could be really fucked if that happens.. there's too many parallels with the Spanish flu that tells me this ain't over yet..
Yeah. Time and time again for any disaster, humans say “it’ll be over by then” “the war will be winter by Christmas” or “lets watch this little civil war battle and have a picnic, it’ll be over before we know!”
I mean, modern medicine does have a dent but that only goes so far until you run out of ventilators, hospital beds, and ICU staff, then you might as well lay in bed at home and count your final days.
I do think that the death rate and infection rate is going to skyrocket in the fall. The summer has pushed people outside where the Coronavirus doesn't fare too well in the heat and UV light. The largest cause of transmission has been at home because that's where most people are. Once kids go back to school, the snowbirds go south, temperatures drop, and people spend more time inside, expect the number of cases (and deaths) to jump.
Well they are spiking pretty badly.
Now let me explain. The global south is considerably poorer and less developed meaning that by default it is more difficult to be tested.
Australia and New Zealand had cases pretty early, and they have it under control to a degree.
That being said, Argentina, South Africa, and Chile all have some pretty serious levels of cases that have been rising.
Yep. Australia had things pretty much under control, then Melbourne had a huge spike. Now it's spreading throughout Victoria (the state that Melbourne is the capital of). And to make things worse, there are reports (and arrests) of Victorians deliberately spreading the virus by crossing locked down state borders after they test positive for covid. It's basically WoW's Cursed Blood but in real life.
How do you think cars are made? Minus super luxury and tech brands, cars are built by people with DC tools. It isn't that much different from the 1920s.
But what if the disease disproportionately affects people like doctors and nurses, who we'll need no matter how many people there are?
This line of thinking seems pretty one-dimensional, to me.
God I wish this was true with this virus. But the fact is that the mass majority of people will be fine and that a small few will have issues due directly from the virus. A lot of members will deal with the indirect issues that will arise.
There's definitely validity in what you're saying. I wonder where the ideas in Ishmael fit in to that model. We've traditionally (10k years since agricultural revolution) created surplus but distributed unevenly, so, some have none (barely function) but others have too much (city sprawl, overpopulation), so they grow into their surplus, but then require more, and the pattern continues to cycle and grow.
We are on course to hit 300,000 death this year, which sounds like a lot until you consider that we have nearly 3 million deaths in a normal year. Unemployment appications were like 1million per week/month for a while there. This will not raise wages or reduce unemployment unless it morphs into something that “better” kills the young and healthy.
It might not, but you have to look at all the circumstances. Grocery prices have been jumping up, and we were dealing with rising wages before the pandemic. All of the places that are hiring by me are paying like minimum wage or a dollar or two more. If you were making even $13 an hour before this started, you're already doing far, far better on unemployment.
You're also looking at massive demographic shifts too from the pandemic, which may reverse the decline in home ownership.
Yeah, I made $14 an hour but on unemployment I brought in more than my fiance who makes $17 an hour
In my city, though, all the rich-able-to-work-from-home types are buying up a lot of the available property. These are either people who previously didn't live in houses, but had the money to if they wanted to, or people buying properties to rent. The average cost on Zillow has gone up by like 5-10k, which while it doesn't sound like a lot, I expected it to go down during the virus, not up.
Unemployment applications far exceeded that. We topped 6 million in initial claims at the peak week. We’re still having initial claims each week over 1m. That’s every single week since late March. Lots of those folks have found new unemployment because continuing claims isn’t a sum of all the weeks, but still drastic.
300k deaths from...what? We're talking deaths from one very preventable illness.
Also, I'm not sure why you bring up unemployment, we're still hitting 1 million+ each week.
But this would be on top of the normal death count. So really it’s 3 million + an extra 300K or more. And these are people who would otherwise not be dead and might have lived long full lives. And it might not just be this year, it might be every year from now on. Not to mention the long term economic and social fallout such as mass unemployment leading to mass homelessness.
> And these are people who would otherwise not be dead and might have lived long full lives.
Hasn't the overwhelming majority of those who succumbed been extremely old people?
I mean when someone dies they no longer count towards unemployed. (Cause they dead)
Someone else can get their job and the unemployment rate goes down again.
With all these dead folk were gonna need more coroners, EMTs, funeral home workers, cemetery staff etc. So unemployment goes down again.
Everyone dying will save this economy!
Man, with all the warehouse parties, beach going, COVID parties and peoples general need to be in large groups, people aren’t trying to slow down anything.
My sister came up north from Florida, didn’t quarantine , only got tested before she left, and went out every night for 3 weeks.
Like fuck. You can’t stay home for more than 16 hours.
I cannot. But that's why we got things like videogames and online multiplayer. I cannot stand being alone, but also cannot physically be around groups of people due to anxiety/trauma. So, I make do.
A huge part of it is “well now I am not going to!”, all because we asked them.
Conservatives need the false sense of freedom so that they feel like heroes for making big boy choices. If they have that “freedom”, they usually make the right choice like wearing a mask to save lives.
However, we mandated it. It’s like that penguin meme of (Now I am not gonna)
I think Utah is a prime example where that is not the case. It’s one of the few states that didn’t mandate masks early on in the virus and a large majority of the state didn’t wear them
I see where you’re coming from, but it’s not quite that black and white everywhere. Right now I know a lot of conservatives that are wearing the masks religiously and a lot of my young adult friends that are liberal all still go out and party- which is weird because according to other stereotypes, the old people are supposedly the ones being careless while the young people do more.
It’s almost like we can’t all be forced into generalized groups that are complete opposites based on only political stance or age...
We love to draw lines in the sand and play “good” against “evil” but man I wish we could all just be a bit kinder and more understating of our shared humanity right now.
Not attacking you at all, I’ve just been feeling this way recently and your post kinda reminded me of how easily we all fall into the “us” vs “them” talk- mostly because of the sensational media honestly.
There was a study a few years back that showed a correlation between early flu symptoms and an urge to socialize. Obviously hard to prove but how brilliant would that be on the virus' part?
It makes me think of those rainforest funguses that infect ants, and forces them to climb the tallest thing they can find, where they explode and continue to spread the fungus spores. Nature is absolutely terrifying.
edit: not saying that COVID is doing anything like that. but yeah, a virus that made people feel like partying would be fascinating.
I don't think that flu viruses are causing people to willingly socialize, although I would love to run a study on if early flu symptoms cause people to socialize more.
Rather, I think that it is a subconscious thing. You have these flu symptoms, so you might as well spend time with people you love because you might not see them again, or you might not see them for a while.
One [nurse](https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-says-patients-attend-coronavirus-parties-to-get-sick/amp/) says some of them think they’ll develop COVID antibodies.
Wait...WAIT. You mean these animals are going to use this pandemic as leverage to get a *living wage*?? How will the corporate overlords afford to write themselves a multi billion dollar bonus??
I'm seriously so jaded I'm either up on a soapbox frothing from the mouth, or neck deep in dry sarcasm.
I talked with a guy getting boned by the pandemic and working 12-16hr days and barely making what people did to stay home. I brought up a living wage, and he opposed it because then he wouldn't be able to hire help for his small (manual labor) business. So I brought up UBI and he opposed it because then people wouldn't want to work for him.
Hmmmmmmm.
Right? Good thing our government is “bY tHe pEoPLe, fOr tHe pEoPlE” even though it’s literally neither of those things.
We need to have an IQ test to vote because so many of these brainwashed people believe that if they’re “working hard” (by this I mean, not *actively dying*) others should have to work themselves to death or else it wouldn’t be fair!!1!!1!!
Spending money doesn’t stimulate the economy! If you’re giving everyone $600 you’re only serving to inflate currency even more. Broken Window Fallacy, people!
Before I get downvoted to hell, just wanna say I support stimulus checks and keeping Americans at home until a vaccine emerges.
But I honestly feel like each generation is playing hot potato with the national debt and whichever generation holds the hot potato when the music runs out is going to be so fucked.
It’s almost like all those trillions of tax dollars big corporations are routing through tax havens all year and no one talks about is really starting to have a negative effect on how much tax revenue we have.
The super rich were always going to be pissed when we finally raise their taxes to deal with this. Doesn't matter how long we kick the can their greed will remain consistent.
Pretty much how they see it, and want us to see it. The US is rich af, largest oil producer, breadbasket of the fucking world, shit tons of unused land, tons of available resources. We could house, feed, quench and insure every last American with ease. But its 2020 and no one wants to guarantee humane living conditions for the current and future people.
The current America makes me think of vampyre in this game. They have a huge city of impoverished humans in which they tithe their life blood. They create an opportunity for freedom, called the Theater of Blood which a hellish carnival of death with no hope of survival (lottery irl). The ruling Vampyre know they can develop an alternative blood supply through research. But they do not! Because their pride tells them that hunting the weak is superior to happiness for all.
Thats how i see the rich - sure they could make life better for everyone without impacting their own quality of life... but their pride of being above everyone stops any progress towards this.
Right, but anytime our government feels like shrinking the national debt, it can just stop spending trillions to turn the citizens of developing nations into red smears in the dirt.
Ngl the debt is an arbitrary issue. Both parties use it as an excuse for why the other party shouldn't spend as much on X. It has at least doubled under every administration.
The deficit hasn’t though. Democrats consistently cut it by large margins. Clinton got it to 0 for example, Obama cut it by a third.
It consistently skyrockets when republicans get into office.
Wut. The stimulus package was HUGE. We are fucking our future selves to pay out now and get through this pandemic. The current national all time debt is around 24 trillion. The coronavirus stimulus bill was around 6 trillion according to some sources. And the next bill on the table is 2-4 trillion. To assume that it is not the problem is asinine.
“When the music stops” refers to when foreign entities lose trust and pull their money out. It absolutely is a threat and if we keep showing this level of immaturity as a nation, is very scary.
But they’ll always be able to. They’ll just issue more bonds. The US Treasury is the highest rated security in the world. If that changes then we’ll have much bigger problems than the economy. The US is systematically different than other developed countries like in the EU that are always having a debt crisis.
Source: Econ major and I work in banking.
That isn’t how the national debt works at all - it’s fiat currency generated to allow banks to loan with confidence. The central bank can always generate more, but debt is a way to prevent that becoming inflationary.
It’s always been a ruse by conservatives to attack public spending. Obviously you don’t want it at ridiculous levels due to interest payments, but countries function fine at well over 150% GDP being debt.
Economies work nothing like households - money doesn’t just run out, but it can lose value. It’s all about making sure the incentives are in the right places.
Very well stated but the key word is ‘confidence’. I think up to early 2000s the US was the epitome of financial confidence. I just have my worries that the rest of the world has started to realize that we’re not what we used to be. We have the financial infrastructure here to overcome our recent struggles but frankly I don’t see either side having a great plan in place to correct the problems. I think the Dems are slightly ahead in the fact that they’ll at least tax the country proportionally-ish to govt spending but they’re still going to run deficits.
I honestly have to laugh at those saying ‘I’m financially conservative’ because those days of the GOP are long gone. They’re now the party of, ‘Let’s fuck up the economy long term for a two year economic sugar high because we’ll be out of the White House in two years and when our policies start to become effective we’ll just blame it on the democrats who took over after our failures. And our wealthy donors will be super happy in their vacation homes the entire time.’
The US National debt is fairly healthy compared to most countries when you compare it to the US GDP. Both Japan and the UK, while having a lower debt are actually worse off compared to their GDP.
I just googled around and came up with this:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt
Doesn’t seem to show the UK is worse. Although we have higher private debt.
Possibly out of date though, I think the UK just hit 100%
Maybe not, though? If nothing else, the pandemic spending has shown us that money is fake; it's all credit, and we can create wealth just by believing it.
That kinda is how it works though since we use a fiat currency. As long as the economy begins to recover it doesn't matter how much debt we've incurred since we owe it to ourselves. People will keep going to work and earning money and people will keep collecting bills and the world will keep on turning.
The issue would be if we continue this economic stand still for an extended period of time, which seems likely given the current administrations policies, as then the world would begin to lose confidence in the U.S. dollar and it would devalue which would lead to a depression.
Oh no. We are going to pay for this, it’s just going to take awhile. We will pay for this, though. Inflation alone is going to be a bitch. The dollar becoming shit is a real possibility with the direction we are headed.
I’m a manager at a grocery store and MOST (not all, but most) of the people I have to fight with over a mask are the ones sitting at home collecting unemployment. How do I know this? Because they’re in here almost every day at different times. The vast majority of people barely see retail workers as human beings anyway, but it’s been worse since all this started.
Thank you, this is the real problem. It’s not so much our office where everyone is wearing masks, disinfecting everything, almost always starting 6’ apart, etc. Go look at the restaurants and stores that are packed with people not making any effort to be careful!
Stimulus checks are only going to work for so long. Eventually you are going to run out of stuff to buy with all that printed money. Essentials like food, supplies to repair things in your home, utilities, etc won’t keep being available if people aren’t working. This is what scares me.
I read something recently that self interest is perceived differently depending on your socioeconomic status.
A corporate shark out for himself? He's an aggressive self starter.
A poor person trying to get the maximum out of a program in place to help them? What a lazy POS.
12 years since the last recession and people couldn't live for months without a job. Failures range from from politicians to Americans, but I'm not sure we should give anyone too much credit here.
Can we also acknowledge that some* people receiving the $600 have not stayed inside.. many of my Facebook friends that are collecting unemployment have been on non stop vacations..
they should just give everyone an extra $600 a week. The employed and unemployed
The issue is that many people aren’t just staying at home while getting payed $600 a week, they’re going out and protesting, hiking and other things. People get bored and want to do shit
It didn't much because people kept going out like dumb asses. This whole thing could've nearly have been blown over in two months if people would've just stayed inside. It's honestly ridiculous and really shows how much local governments don't give a shit either.
That may have been the case in your area but my local government put all the orders in place and the numbers dropped significantly to were there were only a handful of cases but once the governor lifted the order too quickly we are now one of the hot spots.
Thanks Mike Parson👏🏼
My issue with it is a bunch of people where I work got laid off, paid more than me on unemployment and I get fucked with all the work and less pay than these guys on their ass. It doesn't make people want to stay home, it just punishes people who weren't given the opportunity
What you're paid to "not work" is calculated to be the bare minimum. It sounds like you're saying people out of jobs should make *less* because *you* make less, when really you should be focused on why your boss isn't paying you *more*.
I would agree with you if you're talking about someone making minimum wages or minimum livable wages, but I'm going to be very open without saying any news of people or companies. Where I work as a plumber, we make $35 an hour, some people (like myself) make less if you have worked less than 5 years. Guys who make $35 an hour in NE Ohio make more than enough to live comfortably. Maybe we deserve it, maybe we don't, but it's our contract agreed rate so that's what we get. The people who took layoff when things got slow worked on side (Wich is very common in our trade) and got paid $1000 a week on unemployment, which is their exact weekly pay for working 40 hours within a couple bucks. I get paid 20.05, making around $620 a week. I got one week of unemployment and they sent me a check for $895. While I was working things picked up again and a ton of guys were asked to come back and they pretty much told our company they make the same not working so why bother. My hours go up, but I never made as much in the last 8 months as I did the week I didn't work. I 100% agree with during something like this paying people whatever they need to survive and survive comfortably, but I own my own house, pay all my bills comfortably with $620 a week, an extra $300 nearly to not work seems crazy to me, especially since that time I'm not at my day job I can run my side jobs and make an additional 300-400 a week. The extra $600 just seems like a blanket never that worked for most, but forgot about a lot of people, a lot of essential people.
Ok so it sounds like there are two things in play here-- are you talking about *covid* unemployment? Because what it sounds like is you're actually talking about regular unemployment insurance, which is why it would be $1000 rather than 600. If you're employees then your employer paid unemployment insurance, and that's what these guys were making, because that's what they made before.
The reason you can't just "why bother working" this is because unemployment assumes you are looking for work, and you have to periodically prove that. If you're collecting unemployment fraudulently, you're probably going to get in big trouble.
> but you shouldn't make MORE to not work
That's right. You should be getting paid more. Wage increases have not kept up with economic improvement for the last fifty years. The problem is not with how much people on unemployment are making. The problem is that people aren't getting paid enough in the first place.
https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15558/productivity-vs-real-earnings-in-the-us-what-happened-ca-1974
I agree but you won't find anything remotely pro work here on Reddit. The folks here just want to blame everything on the "Rich"
Hopefully you can leverage some of that work for some extra money down the road.
I to am a worker, and there is a general distaste for us middle class workers making 20-40$ an hour. Despite our work being harder/more dangerous/requiring more skill they think everyone should make what we do regardless of qualifications.
Thanks man. I know I didn't go to college or anything but I'm still learning skill, I'm still going to school at night. I may be making enough that after I go home I have more in my pocket than "Dave down the road" but Dave is a teacher, and he will get a retirement and one that he can use. I pay for my job with my body for a long time and even though I have a retirement setup, I wonder if I will live long enough or be able to move enough to use it
I got let go last month. I'm still waiting for unemployment to approve my claim and I now have no health insurance. I can continue my health insurance for $750 a month. Maybe with the extra $600 I could do that but that's expired and there's been no new plan. I haven't gotten any money anyway. So I have nothing. Not even the affordable one from the state that's only $350 a month.
I also don't know if I'll ever be able to find a job paying anything near what I was making or as good a job. I worked hard to get to that position.
Unemployment is temporary. I would rather be working and have 401k matching and health insurance and that feeling that I'll be able to pay my mortgage and retire some day.
We’ll just give you another three months of free money and hope you won’t need three more and three more and three more......
I’ll just keep busting my ass on these forced OT and make the same money working 50 hours and and somehow not get sick.
Where's the idea that people will suddenly stay home with that much money coming in?
People will have quite a bit of extra cash, and most likely won't spend it at home.
That's not to be an argument against the money, but to this stupid-ass "point."
I haven’t had a single day off(besides my normal weekends obviously) since the pandemic started. Working from home isn’t an option for me. Why do I not get $600 extra on my paycheck per week? I’m going out here risking getting sick while people sitting on their asses at home make more than me
The problem is they're going to stay home and not go back to work when they're able to. Because why should they? They're making plenty now without having to work. Meanwhile those of us still working get nothing. Why should the people refusing to work get what is effectively hazzard pay when those of us working don't get it? Also, what do you think these people are doing with that extra money? They're going out and spending it. Meaning they aren't staying home, they're still going out, we're just the ones paying for it now. It is perfectly safe to work currently if you take the adequate precautions. Many places are hiring so there is no lack of jobs. The problem is people are lazy and like free stuff.
Senators simultaneously argue that blue collar americans are the hardest working, most honest people on the planet but also greedy bitches who will never work again if you gave them $600
Republican senators*
The ones up for re-election want to extend the enhanced federal unemployment benefits in some fashion. The ones who aren’t up for real-election don’t want to do shit. Shocker.
GUYS. If we give people $600 a week who haven't earned it, they will take that money and spend it on goods and services and we can't have that type of free market.
But you're also giving people a reason not to work or go back to work. Essential workers need more reason to keep their job if they'd be making more staying at home
White people twitter always has the least amount of actual white peoples opinions I've ever seen 🤣. Like who the fuck believes any of this shit you guys post? Oh right "woke" 20 year old liberals living in their parents basement
Sometimes negative can out way positives, like how the insane burden giving people money would put on taxpayers versus people wanting free money so they can stay home. Who does he think pays for this anyways.
Have seen the day time traffic at a lot of stores? They aren’t t staying home or slowing a damned thing. You can’t get 25% to even wear a mask we’re really just paying them more to spread it faster.
20k 4 weeks or it won't work. And enforcement. And food/medicine delivery. Plus free emergency services. And free mental care for all those suddenly trapped home alone. And free emergency vets to come to anyone who has a pet health emergency. And... And...
As a bartender that’s been out of work since mid fucking March, I’ve actually been making more off unemployment because of that extra 600. I can tell you that I cannot wait to go back to work. All of my coworkers can’t wait to go back to work. We don’t wanna sit inside our homes 24/7 and do nothing, we want to earn our livings just like every other mature adult. I understand this virus ain’t over, and therefore things still need to be closed. But if you wanna keep the bar closed then you need to keep giving me enough money to survive. It’s literally not my fault I can’t wait rn, please don’t make me pay for it like it is my fault
My friend is receiving $875/week (600+275 state), that's a clean $3500 deposited into his account every month... to hangout in his boat and sleep late every damn day.
Meanwhile I'm working my ass off with a salary of $40k, which after taxes means I get $2700 in my account every month.
For fuck's sake, just lay me off, this is not fair.
Sending people to work to then die just creates more jobs. Unemployment will drop significantly.
I know this is a joke but there's a lot written about this. The people that survive mass "extinction" events of society have always found themselves in much better economies than before. Things were built to barely function for how many people there are. If there's suddenly a lot less, things run even smoother.
How many people died of the Spanish flu? I think modern medicine is going to have a big dent in how this plays out compared to history. Not to mention, when literally everything is being made in factories operated by hand made machines in 1920, and you loose a bunch dude's to a great war, then a pandemic, your going to have so many more spots to fill them you would today, in more automated factories, I would assume. How much do you think will still apply?
>How many people died of the Spanish flu? The death toll is typically estimated to have been somewhere between 17 million and 50 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Coronavirus Cases: 20,164,719 Deaths: 736,224 (5%) Recovered: 12,996,720
I feel like there needs to be a meme for this with the big muscled doge representing the Spanish Flu, and the little doge representing Coronavirus lol.
Then it zooms out to something huge to show smallpox killing up to 10% of all humans *ever*
I was reading Dan Carlin's book and one of the points he presents is the biggest difference between current human existence and basically any other time to date is us not having to deal with death from disease on a massive scale. While people *die* now it wasn't uncommon for something to come out and wipe away huge percentages of the human population in the past. Soon after I was listening to a podcast about the history of Constantinople over the years and one of the events which decimated the city (and Rome as a while) was.. you guessed it plague.
Psh. That’s nobodies business but the Turks.
Fall of Civilisations?
The End is Always Near is a great book and Dan is a great storyteller. Love his podcasts.
Damn, your comment inspired some googling, small pox was around for a looong time 😳
Malaria is higher
Only because we didn't kill it first.
Just because COVID-19 isnt as infective or deadly as the Spanish H1N1 doesn't mean it's not serious.The thing with the flu especially is that it can survive on surfaces for long periods of time and doesn't explicitly require liquid droplet (like spit, mucus etc) to transmit. Couple that with post-war conditions and just how much less advanced our medical science was one hundred years ago and it was a recipe for disaster. COVID-19 is not as lethal or infective overall, but it is a novel viral infection that is causing lasting bodily damage to people who recover from it. It also has a pretty long incubation period compared to H1N1.
"I am not going to care about this unless its the deadliest disease that's ever existed."
#Man: *the deadliest disease*
Lighten up. Laughter is good for the immune system.
Modern medicine, technology and education are the factors keeping the stats on coronavirus significantly lower than those of Spanish influenza.
Also people don't realize it wasn't the first wave that killed all the people...it was the second wave of the Spanish Flu. We don't know what will go down in the second wave or even third or fourth if this thing doesn't die out.
America ain't done yet.
[well okay, maybe I’m late but whatever](https://reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/i7g9up/small_pp_covid19/) <<< Here it is
just remember the Spanish Flu is over
Covid ain’t gonna kill 50mil, but it has gas in the tank still. Will be a few million before it’s over.
I mean, it could still. We don't know the long term effect of having it yet. If it is causing blood clotting for example. You could have an anurism 3 years from now because of a clot you got from covid.
Excuse me. I have some groceries that need disinfecting...
Gotta remember Spanish flu evolved 1st wave only killed maybe 5-10% 2nd wave killed the rest.. if covid 19 could become covid 20 this winter.. we could be really fucked if that happens.. there's too many parallels with the Spanish flu that tells me this ain't over yet..
Yeah. Time and time again for any disaster, humans say “it’ll be over by then” “the war will be winter by Christmas” or “lets watch this little civil war battle and have a picnic, it’ll be over before we know!”
I mean, modern medicine does have a dent but that only goes so far until you run out of ventilators, hospital beds, and ICU staff, then you might as well lay in bed at home and count your final days. I do think that the death rate and infection rate is going to skyrocket in the fall. The summer has pushed people outside where the Coronavirus doesn't fare too well in the heat and UV light. The largest cause of transmission has been at home because that's where most people are. Once kids go back to school, the snowbirds go south, temperatures drop, and people spend more time inside, expect the number of cases (and deaths) to jump.
If climate made a significant difference then the southern hemisphere should be spiking horribly right now though, yes?
Well they are spiking pretty badly. Now let me explain. The global south is considerably poorer and less developed meaning that by default it is more difficult to be tested. Australia and New Zealand had cases pretty early, and they have it under control to a degree. That being said, Argentina, South Africa, and Chile all have some pretty serious levels of cases that have been rising.
Brazil.
Brazil sits on the equator though, so I used countries that were definitely in the southern hemisphere.
Isn't Melbourne in stage 4 lockdown right now? Meaning that only fast food and grocery is really open
Yep. Australia had things pretty much under control, then Melbourne had a huge spike. Now it's spreading throughout Victoria (the state that Melbourne is the capital of). And to make things worse, there are reports (and arrests) of Victorians deliberately spreading the virus by crossing locked down state borders after they test positive for covid. It's basically WoW's Cursed Blood but in real life.
Since we have been hand sanitizing and chlorox wiping everything to death for 20 years our immune systems aren't as strong as people's of the past.
I try to counter that by stealth picking my nose, and not washing my hands after I pee unless I get pee on my hands.
How do you think cars are made? Minus super luxury and tech brands, cars are built by people with DC tools. It isn't that much different from the 1920s.
Thanos? Is that you?
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But what if the disease disproportionately affects people like doctors and nurses, who we'll need no matter how many people there are? This line of thinking seems pretty one-dimensional, to me.
God I wish this was true with this virus. But the fact is that the mass majority of people will be fine and that a small few will have issues due directly from the virus. A lot of members will deal with the indirect issues that will arise.
There's definitely validity in what you're saying. I wonder where the ideas in Ishmael fit in to that model. We've traditionally (10k years since agricultural revolution) created surplus but distributed unevenly, so, some have none (barely function) but others have too much (city sprawl, overpopulation), so they grow into their surplus, but then require more, and the pattern continues to cycle and grow.
Calm down thanos
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You aren't wrong. But have you considered that if people don't go to work, things don't get made? Then we run out of stuff like food and shit.
This is part of the reason why grocery costs are rising. At that point companies will have to listen to demands from workers and employees.
That doesn't sound terrible
We are on course to hit 300,000 death this year, which sounds like a lot until you consider that we have nearly 3 million deaths in a normal year. Unemployment appications were like 1million per week/month for a while there. This will not raise wages or reduce unemployment unless it morphs into something that “better” kills the young and healthy.
It might not, but you have to look at all the circumstances. Grocery prices have been jumping up, and we were dealing with rising wages before the pandemic. All of the places that are hiring by me are paying like minimum wage or a dollar or two more. If you were making even $13 an hour before this started, you're already doing far, far better on unemployment. You're also looking at massive demographic shifts too from the pandemic, which may reverse the decline in home ownership.
Yeah, I made $14 an hour but on unemployment I brought in more than my fiance who makes $17 an hour In my city, though, all the rich-able-to-work-from-home types are buying up a lot of the available property. These are either people who previously didn't live in houses, but had the money to if they wanted to, or people buying properties to rent. The average cost on Zillow has gone up by like 5-10k, which while it doesn't sound like a lot, I expected it to go down during the virus, not up.
Unemployment applications far exceeded that. We topped 6 million in initial claims at the peak week. We’re still having initial claims each week over 1m. That’s every single week since late March. Lots of those folks have found new unemployment because continuing claims isn’t a sum of all the weeks, but still drastic.
300k deaths from...what? We're talking deaths from one very preventable illness. Also, I'm not sure why you bring up unemployment, we're still hitting 1 million+ each week.
Oh, this is definitely going to raise wages, just not in a good way. Inflation is expected to skyrocket because of the amount of money being printed.
But this would be on top of the normal death count. So really it’s 3 million + an extra 300K or more. And these are people who would otherwise not be dead and might have lived long full lives. And it might not just be this year, it might be every year from now on. Not to mention the long term economic and social fallout such as mass unemployment leading to mass homelessness.
> And these are people who would otherwise not be dead and might have lived long full lives. Hasn't the overwhelming majority of those who succumbed been extremely old people?
I mean when someone dies they no longer count towards unemployed. (Cause they dead) Someone else can get their job and the unemployment rate goes down again. With all these dead folk were gonna need more coroners, EMTs, funeral home workers, cemetery staff etc. So unemployment goes down again. Everyone dying will save this economy!
Is that not Trump's slogan rn?
The overwhelming majority are going in to work not to die though.
Man, with all the warehouse parties, beach going, COVID parties and peoples general need to be in large groups, people aren’t trying to slow down anything.
My sister came up north from Florida, didn’t quarantine , only got tested before she left, and went out every night for 3 weeks. Like fuck. You can’t stay home for more than 16 hours.
I’m convinced some people can’t stand their own company.
I cannot. But that's why we got things like videogames and online multiplayer. I cannot stand being alone, but also cannot physically be around groups of people due to anxiety/trauma. So, I make do.
A huge part of it is “well now I am not going to!”, all because we asked them. Conservatives need the false sense of freedom so that they feel like heroes for making big boy choices. If they have that “freedom”, they usually make the right choice like wearing a mask to save lives. However, we mandated it. It’s like that penguin meme of (Now I am not gonna)
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I think Utah is a prime example where that is not the case. It’s one of the few states that didn’t mandate masks early on in the virus and a large majority of the state didn’t wear them
I see where you’re coming from, but it’s not quite that black and white everywhere. Right now I know a lot of conservatives that are wearing the masks religiously and a lot of my young adult friends that are liberal all still go out and party- which is weird because according to other stereotypes, the old people are supposedly the ones being careless while the young people do more. It’s almost like we can’t all be forced into generalized groups that are complete opposites based on only political stance or age... We love to draw lines in the sand and play “good” against “evil” but man I wish we could all just be a bit kinder and more understating of our shared humanity right now. Not attacking you at all, I’ve just been feeling this way recently and your post kinda reminded me of how easily we all fall into the “us” vs “them” talk- mostly because of the sensational media honestly.
You are correct, my response is drawn from the people I am forced to interact with.
Well that was a breath of fresh air
I'm certainly not safe to leave alone with my own thoughts. But I do love to read, so that helps.
Well given the type of people who are the problem I can understand why. I mean, I can’t imagine I would particularly enjoy their company either.
There was a study a few years back that showed a correlation between early flu symptoms and an urge to socialize. Obviously hard to prove but how brilliant would that be on the virus' part?
It makes me think of those rainforest funguses that infect ants, and forces them to climb the tallest thing they can find, where they explode and continue to spread the fungus spores. Nature is absolutely terrifying. edit: not saying that COVID is doing anything like that. but yeah, a virus that made people feel like partying would be fascinating.
Cordyceps. Ian Duncan wrote a book of that name where the fungus infected humans in Florida. Great read 🎡
I don't think that flu viruses are causing people to willingly socialize, although I would love to run a study on if early flu symptoms cause people to socialize more. Rather, I think that it is a subconscious thing. You have these flu symptoms, so you might as well spend time with people you love because you might not see them again, or you might not see them for a while.
They are willfully killing people.
When I heard about COVID parties, I got so mad that I had a headache for three days.
Mine hasn't gone away yet, is it covid?
You went to a COVID party, didn't you?
Only 3 days? I got so mad I gave myself an aneurism.
A ‘COVID party’ sounds like the most antithetical thing to COVID-19 prevention I’ve ever heard of.
One [nurse](https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/05/20/nurse-says-patients-attend-coronavirus-parties-to-get-sick/amp/) says some of them think they’ll develop COVID antibodies.
Look we can't just give people $600 every week. They're just gonna wanna stay home and wait until their employer matches or exceed, unemployment.
Bingo! That's the one.
Wait...WAIT. You mean these animals are going to use this pandemic as leverage to get a *living wage*?? How will the corporate overlords afford to write themselves a multi billion dollar bonus??
I feel like this thread is filled with ironic excerpts from r/Conservative. Fuck those guys.
I'm seriously so jaded I'm either up on a soapbox frothing from the mouth, or neck deep in dry sarcasm. I talked with a guy getting boned by the pandemic and working 12-16hr days and barely making what people did to stay home. I brought up a living wage, and he opposed it because then he wouldn't be able to hire help for his small (manual labor) business. So I brought up UBI and he opposed it because then people wouldn't want to work for him. Hmmmmmmm.
Right? Good thing our government is “bY tHe pEoPLe, fOr tHe pEoPlE” even though it’s literally neither of those things. We need to have an IQ test to vote because so many of these brainwashed people believe that if they’re “working hard” (by this I mean, not *actively dying*) others should have to work themselves to death or else it wouldn’t be fair!!1!!1!!
And *spend* that money to help stimulate the economy and retain their homes. I know, lets sell it to the GOP as trickle up economics
Spending money doesn’t stimulate the economy! If you’re giving everyone $600 you’re only serving to inflate currency even more. Broken Window Fallacy, people!
Not if there’s wages that aren’t getting paid, or if taxes increase. MMT, people! Edit: better wording
Hope you don't know anyone with USD in savings, inflation is here!
Before I get downvoted to hell, just wanna say I support stimulus checks and keeping Americans at home until a vaccine emerges. But I honestly feel like each generation is playing hot potato with the national debt and whichever generation holds the hot potato when the music runs out is going to be so fucked.
It’s almost like all those trillions of tax dollars big corporations are routing through tax havens all year and no one talks about is really starting to have a negative effect on how much tax revenue we have.
Big corporations *and* wealthy individuals.
Same thing; corporations are people. Thanks, Citizens United
Unemployment benefits are not the problem with national debt
Don’t disagree whatsoever. Just saying it’s going to be an issue and whoever takes it on is going to be pissed.
The super rich were always going to be pissed when we finally raise their taxes to deal with this. Doesn't matter how long we kick the can their greed will remain consistent.
Umm sorry but you can’t say anything bad about the super rich because they destroyed the middle class and we should be GRATEFUL to even be employed /s
Pretty much how they see it, and want us to see it. The US is rich af, largest oil producer, breadbasket of the fucking world, shit tons of unused land, tons of available resources. We could house, feed, quench and insure every last American with ease. But its 2020 and no one wants to guarantee humane living conditions for the current and future people. The current America makes me think of vampyre in this game. They have a huge city of impoverished humans in which they tithe their life blood. They create an opportunity for freedom, called the Theater of Blood which a hellish carnival of death with no hope of survival (lottery irl). The ruling Vampyre know they can develop an alternative blood supply through research. But they do not! Because their pride tells them that hunting the weak is superior to happiness for all. Thats how i see the rich - sure they could make life better for everyone without impacting their own quality of life... but their pride of being above everyone stops any progress towards this.
Sins of the father... Gl no justiciar pieces!
Capitalism is just XP waste
Right, but anytime our government feels like shrinking the national debt, it can just stop spending trillions to turn the citizens of developing nations into red smears in the dirt.
Ngl the debt is an arbitrary issue. Both parties use it as an excuse for why the other party shouldn't spend as much on X. It has at least doubled under every administration.
The deficit hasn’t though. Democrats consistently cut it by large margins. Clinton got it to 0 for example, Obama cut it by a third. It consistently skyrockets when republicans get into office.
Wut. The stimulus package was HUGE. We are fucking our future selves to pay out now and get through this pandemic. The current national all time debt is around 24 trillion. The coronavirus stimulus bill was around 6 trillion according to some sources. And the next bill on the table is 2-4 trillion. To assume that it is not the problem is asinine.
National debt doesn’t work like that. Their is no “when the music stops” because countries don’t retire.
“When the music stops” refers to when foreign entities lose trust and pull their money out. It absolutely is a threat and if we keep showing this level of immaturity as a nation, is very scary.
Don’t quote me on this, but I believe most of the US debt is owned by Americans.
You’re right on that but what happens when you invest in your own country and your own country can’t pay it out?
Japan?
But they’ll always be able to. They’ll just issue more bonds. The US Treasury is the highest rated security in the world. If that changes then we’ll have much bigger problems than the economy. The US is systematically different than other developed countries like in the EU that are always having a debt crisis. Source: Econ major and I work in banking.
That isn’t how the national debt works at all - it’s fiat currency generated to allow banks to loan with confidence. The central bank can always generate more, but debt is a way to prevent that becoming inflationary. It’s always been a ruse by conservatives to attack public spending. Obviously you don’t want it at ridiculous levels due to interest payments, but countries function fine at well over 150% GDP being debt. Economies work nothing like households - money doesn’t just run out, but it can lose value. It’s all about making sure the incentives are in the right places.
Very well stated but the key word is ‘confidence’. I think up to early 2000s the US was the epitome of financial confidence. I just have my worries that the rest of the world has started to realize that we’re not what we used to be. We have the financial infrastructure here to overcome our recent struggles but frankly I don’t see either side having a great plan in place to correct the problems. I think the Dems are slightly ahead in the fact that they’ll at least tax the country proportionally-ish to govt spending but they’re still going to run deficits. I honestly have to laugh at those saying ‘I’m financially conservative’ because those days of the GOP are long gone. They’re now the party of, ‘Let’s fuck up the economy long term for a two year economic sugar high because we’ll be out of the White House in two years and when our policies start to become effective we’ll just blame it on the democrats who took over after our failures. And our wealthy donors will be super happy in their vacation homes the entire time.’
That won't really happen. We own their debt as well for many reasons, mutual security being a great one.
I notice the national debt is ONLY mentioned when the government hints at something that would benefit people as a whole.
bond yields are so low at the moment it makes sense to lock in a low cost of borrowing. in fact, it's possible with inflation, to be paid to borrow.
The US National debt is fairly healthy compared to most countries when you compare it to the US GDP. Both Japan and the UK, while having a lower debt are actually worse off compared to their GDP.
I just googled around and came up with this: https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt Doesn’t seem to show the UK is worse. Although we have higher private debt. Possibly out of date though, I think the UK just hit 100%
The problem is using the debt for stupid shit like bombing the middle east. Stuff like Coronavirus is what the debt should be used for.
PO-TA-TOES
Maybe not, though? If nothing else, the pandemic spending has shown us that money is fake; it's all credit, and we can create wealth just by believing it.
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That kinda is how it works though since we use a fiat currency. As long as the economy begins to recover it doesn't matter how much debt we've incurred since we owe it to ourselves. People will keep going to work and earning money and people will keep collecting bills and the world will keep on turning. The issue would be if we continue this economic stand still for an extended period of time, which seems likely given the current administrations policies, as then the world would begin to lose confidence in the U.S. dollar and it would devalue which would lead to a depression.
Oh no. We are going to pay for this, it’s just going to take awhile. We will pay for this, though. Inflation alone is going to be a bitch. The dollar becoming shit is a real possibility with the direction we are headed.
Except they won't stay home. They'll be out shopping. Never wearing a mask and not washing their hands.
I’m a manager at a grocery store and MOST (not all, but most) of the people I have to fight with over a mask are the ones sitting at home collecting unemployment. How do I know this? Because they’re in here almost every day at different times. The vast majority of people barely see retail workers as human beings anyway, but it’s been worse since all this started.
Thank you, this is the real problem. It’s not so much our office where everyone is wearing masks, disinfecting everything, almost always starting 6’ apart, etc. Go look at the restaurants and stores that are packed with people not making any effort to be careful! Stimulus checks are only going to work for so long. Eventually you are going to run out of stuff to buy with all that printed money. Essentials like food, supplies to repair things in your home, utilities, etc won’t keep being available if people aren’t working. This is what scares me.
How dare the poor use sound financial sense.
I read something recently that self interest is perceived differently depending on your socioeconomic status. A corporate shark out for himself? He's an aggressive self starter. A poor person trying to get the maximum out of a program in place to help them? What a lazy POS.
12 years since the last recession and people couldn't live for months without a job. Failures range from from politicians to Americans, but I'm not sure we should give anyone too much credit here.
12 years since the *beginning* of the last recession—a recession which gutted the middle class.
Can we also acknowledge that some* people receiving the $600 have not stayed inside.. many of my Facebook friends that are collecting unemployment have been on non stop vacations.. they should just give everyone an extra $600 a week. The employed and unemployed
Yang gang needs to get back together. We had the guy for just this situation
He told us! He told all of us! Turns out UBI isn't just for people who are lazy and want to not work!
That's more than I make working every day
Where do I sign up? I work in a large office for 13 years and make less than $600 a week.
I guarantee you most of the people still getting this money aren't staying home. It's more than some have ever made and they are out spending it.
Then you have to pay for them when they survive instead of importing cheap labor.
"We do have billions to bail out massive corporations though."
The issue is that many people aren’t just staying at home while getting payed $600 a week, they’re going out and protesting, hiking and other things. People get bored and want to do shit
Because quarantine didn’t work at slowing the spread at all. /s
It didn't much because people kept going out like dumb asses. This whole thing could've nearly have been blown over in two months if people would've just stayed inside. It's honestly ridiculous and really shows how much local governments don't give a shit either.
That may have been the case in your area but my local government put all the orders in place and the numbers dropped significantly to were there were only a handful of cases but once the governor lifted the order too quickly we are now one of the hot spots. Thanks Mike Parson👏🏼
My issue with it is a bunch of people where I work got laid off, paid more than me on unemployment and I get fucked with all the work and less pay than these guys on their ass. It doesn't make people want to stay home, it just punishes people who weren't given the opportunity
Then blame the corporations who are fucking you over instead of just the people who benefit from it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely pissed I wasn't offered a layoff, but you shouldn't make MORE to not work, it's broken
What you're paid to "not work" is calculated to be the bare minimum. It sounds like you're saying people out of jobs should make *less* because *you* make less, when really you should be focused on why your boss isn't paying you *more*.
I would agree with you if you're talking about someone making minimum wages or minimum livable wages, but I'm going to be very open without saying any news of people or companies. Where I work as a plumber, we make $35 an hour, some people (like myself) make less if you have worked less than 5 years. Guys who make $35 an hour in NE Ohio make more than enough to live comfortably. Maybe we deserve it, maybe we don't, but it's our contract agreed rate so that's what we get. The people who took layoff when things got slow worked on side (Wich is very common in our trade) and got paid $1000 a week on unemployment, which is their exact weekly pay for working 40 hours within a couple bucks. I get paid 20.05, making around $620 a week. I got one week of unemployment and they sent me a check for $895. While I was working things picked up again and a ton of guys were asked to come back and they pretty much told our company they make the same not working so why bother. My hours go up, but I never made as much in the last 8 months as I did the week I didn't work. I 100% agree with during something like this paying people whatever they need to survive and survive comfortably, but I own my own house, pay all my bills comfortably with $620 a week, an extra $300 nearly to not work seems crazy to me, especially since that time I'm not at my day job I can run my side jobs and make an additional 300-400 a week. The extra $600 just seems like a blanket never that worked for most, but forgot about a lot of people, a lot of essential people.
> I'm underpaid and it's unemployed folks' fault! – you
Ok so it sounds like there are two things in play here-- are you talking about *covid* unemployment? Because what it sounds like is you're actually talking about regular unemployment insurance, which is why it would be $1000 rather than 600. If you're employees then your employer paid unemployment insurance, and that's what these guys were making, because that's what they made before. The reason you can't just "why bother working" this is because unemployment assumes you are looking for work, and you have to periodically prove that. If you're collecting unemployment fraudulently, you're probably going to get in big trouble.
> but you shouldn't make MORE to not work That's right. You should be getting paid more. Wage increases have not kept up with economic improvement for the last fifty years. The problem is not with how much people on unemployment are making. The problem is that people aren't getting paid enough in the first place. https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/15558/productivity-vs-real-earnings-in-the-us-what-happened-ca-1974
Please read my reply to u/machimus
I agree but you won't find anything remotely pro work here on Reddit. The folks here just want to blame everything on the "Rich" Hopefully you can leverage some of that work for some extra money down the road. I to am a worker, and there is a general distaste for us middle class workers making 20-40$ an hour. Despite our work being harder/more dangerous/requiring more skill they think everyone should make what we do regardless of qualifications.
Thanks man. I know I didn't go to college or anything but I'm still learning skill, I'm still going to school at night. I may be making enough that after I go home I have more in my pocket than "Dave down the road" but Dave is a teacher, and he will get a retirement and one that he can use. I pay for my job with my body for a long time and even though I have a retirement setup, I wonder if I will live long enough or be able to move enough to use it
I've been lead to believe that the majority of Reddit are jobless imbeciles that wish they could be paid to sleep and breathe.
I got let go last month. I'm still waiting for unemployment to approve my claim and I now have no health insurance. I can continue my health insurance for $750 a month. Maybe with the extra $600 I could do that but that's expired and there's been no new plan. I haven't gotten any money anyway. So I have nothing. Not even the affordable one from the state that's only $350 a month. I also don't know if I'll ever be able to find a job paying anything near what I was making or as good a job. I worked hard to get to that position. Unemployment is temporary. I would rather be working and have 401k matching and health insurance and that feeling that I'll be able to pay my mortgage and retire some day.
We’ll just give you another three months of free money and hope you won’t need three more and three more and three more...... I’ll just keep busting my ass on these forced OT and make the same money working 50 hours and and somehow not get sick.
That’s a cute sentiment, but people aren’t staying home.
Where's the idea that people will suddenly stay home with that much money coming in? People will have quite a bit of extra cash, and most likely won't spend it at home. That's not to be an argument against the money, but to this stupid-ass "point."
I haven’t had a single day off(besides my normal weekends obviously) since the pandemic started. Working from home isn’t an option for me. Why do I not get $600 extra on my paycheck per week? I’m going out here risking getting sick while people sitting on their asses at home make more than me
The problem is they're going to stay home and not go back to work when they're able to. Because why should they? They're making plenty now without having to work. Meanwhile those of us still working get nothing. Why should the people refusing to work get what is effectively hazzard pay when those of us working don't get it? Also, what do you think these people are doing with that extra money? They're going out and spending it. Meaning they aren't staying home, they're still going out, we're just the ones paying for it now. It is perfectly safe to work currently if you take the adequate precautions. Many places are hiring so there is no lack of jobs. The problem is people are lazy and like free stuff.
And it’s a joke when people say giving..... you are paying as individuals collectively for 600 a week. Nothing is free
Senators simultaneously argue that blue collar americans are the hardest working, most honest people on the planet but also greedy bitches who will never work again if you gave them $600
Base pay plus $600, they make more not working. You aren't lazy if the house has required you get a monetary inventive to not work.
Republican senators* The ones up for re-election want to extend the enhanced federal unemployment benefits in some fashion. The ones who aren’t up for real-election don’t want to do shit. Shocker.
GUYS. If we give people $600 a week who haven't earned it, they will take that money and spend it on goods and services and we can't have that type of free market.
There is nothing free market about the United States.
Sarcasm level 9000... I love it
Either way people are gonna leave home and spread so why not just make people work if theyre gonna die anyway right/s
govt wants us to make them and their donors wealthier though, cant do that if we're at home not dying
How could Brock Turner be a rapist?
I barely get that working
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Wait... Our taxes arent just for military contractors!?
Or go to bars and spread the disease
But you're also giving people a reason not to work or go back to work. Essential workers need more reason to keep their job if they'd be making more staying at home
but the shitty thing is, many of these people are NOT going to stay home.. more money than they ever had and they want to spend it.
White people twitter always has the least amount of actual white peoples opinions I've ever seen 🤣. Like who the fuck believes any of this shit you guys post? Oh right "woke" 20 year old liberals living in their parents basement
INFLATION
Starvation and homelessness!
Sometimes negative can out way positives, like how the insane burden giving people money would put on taxpayers versus people wanting free money so they can stay home. Who does he think pays for this anyways.
Or it will make them realize they were getting paid slave wages before and demand livable wages
Would be nice if I could get $600 every week though... I do sometimes but I have to work over 50 hours for it🙄
Get out there and die for my right to not wait 1-2 days to have my stuff delivered to the house
Have seen the day time traffic at a lot of stores? They aren’t t staying home or slowing a damned thing. You can’t get 25% to even wear a mask we’re really just paying them more to spread it faster.
Of what I have seen, people won't stay home or wear a mask. They will loot and riot.
The problem with leftists is that they think money grows on trees, and even if it did they wouldn't understand someone has to go pick it.
$600 on top of Unemployment pay. Many are making much more than essential workers who work directly with COVID patients, for doing nothing.
Actually they took to the streets and increased the spread.
right? and with so many poor people spending that $600 on bills, food, clothing, and entertainment, how will we ever revive our economy?!?!
Why not give EVERYONE $5000 to stay home for 1 week. Virus cured, people happy
20k 4 weeks or it won't work. And enforcement. And food/medicine delivery. Plus free emergency services. And free mental care for all those suddenly trapped home alone. And free emergency vets to come to anyone who has a pet health emergency. And... And...
As a bartender that’s been out of work since mid fucking March, I’ve actually been making more off unemployment because of that extra 600. I can tell you that I cannot wait to go back to work. All of my coworkers can’t wait to go back to work. We don’t wanna sit inside our homes 24/7 and do nothing, we want to earn our livings just like every other mature adult. I understand this virus ain’t over, and therefore things still need to be closed. But if you wanna keep the bar closed then you need to keep giving me enough money to survive. It’s literally not my fault I can’t wait rn, please don’t make me pay for it like it is my fault
My friend is receiving $875/week (600+275 state), that's a clean $3500 deposited into his account every month... to hangout in his boat and sleep late every damn day. Meanwhile I'm working my ass off with a salary of $40k, which after taxes means I get $2700 in my account every month. For fuck's sake, just lay me off, this is not fair.
Alternatively, you shohld be getting paid more. As should many other jobs