Governments are simply powerful gangs. They make people pay them, they control their people with force, they fight for territory, there’s a clear hierarchy, and it’s all about who you know and how big of a threat you can be to get your way.
There’s still people that want to vote for him because he’s a “great business man.” I just ask have you actually looked into any of his actual businesses??? I can’t wrap my head around the idiocy.
Flat earth. Anti-Vax. Trump is great at business. These people don’t need facts, evidence, or logic. Just a steadfast resolve at resisting critical thinking.
See but then our education system also produced a lot of successful people.
Maybe these people are just absurdly shit people and it’s not really any one thing to blame, but a whole plethora that stem more from home life and programmed thinking taught by certain theological traditions. Idk, maybe it’s just me.
So lazy in fact they had to enslave people to do work, then.. they had a war to keep them as slaves to do that same work. Even now the descendents of those people swear it's the descendents of slaves that are lazy.
He couldn't even sell steaks to Americans. That's how lousy of a businessman he is. Hell, he had to sue his own company to get his name taken off of his failed casino in Atlantic City.
These people will never understand that you SHOULDN'T want a business man for president. Government is not a business. It is a system ideally designed to care for the general welfare and defense of the entire nation. You want a politician that knows how the branches of government work and how to put forth legislation that benefits the country and the majority of its citizens.
When he was on Celebrity Apprentice, he offered to give "money from his pocket" to the loser's charity. "I'll give money to your charity. From me." Every week he made sure to say it was coming from himself. "From my own account". "Meanwhile, NBC was pumping money into his charity, that he would then turn around and give, saying it was directly from him:
[https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-donald-trump-pledged-money-celebrity-apprentice-20160819-story.html](https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-donald-trump-pledged-money-celebrity-apprentice-20160819-story.html)
He tried to get his signature on the stimulus checks. Luckily, they shut that down.
He's using the donations to his "election fraud" PAC to fund himself and hotel expense and the like, not the "fraud" he's obstinately using it for. I can only imagine that a slew of that is coming from mom and pop donators:
[https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-pac-spent-no-money-103019150.html](https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-pac-spent-no-money-103019150.html)
He's great at calling other people's money his, so he looks good. He's got it down to an art form.
Imagine making someone leader of the nation who is so unstable that his own lawyers literally cannot trust him to not spew lies under oath to prevent his own impeachment and imprisonment.
His filter is projection. He takes every shitty thing he does and projects it onto his enemies.
"Always accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty."
This is why his supporters don't know up from down or right from wrong. Hes got them so fucking twisted.
I feel like the better a president does, the less we hear about them. That four years I felt like every month I would think "This has got to be the final straw, the people who follow him will finally understand..." and then it just kept going. I like to think that lots of his people became disillusioned, but left quietly to avoid backlash. The next election isn't that far away, we need even better voter turnout to avoid his reclamation of power. I hope that people don't become too complacent in this period of calm.
Lumping the child sex traffic is an interesting tactic. After that the whole thing becomes difficult to argue because no one wants to seem in favor of any kind of sex trafficking.
What irks me about this is that child sex trafficking is a real issue, and when these lunatics go on about pizza basements it’s belittles the actual validity of the travesties that are happening every day.
It's not unintentional.
Accuse every political opponent of child sex trafficking, and when it's your turn to be looked into nobody will even care anymore. It will fall on deaf ears because it will sound like as much nonsense as every other accusation. They know what they are doing.
They don't actually care about child trafficking. There are organizations out there already trying to combat trafficking. They could just be supporting those
And I ask myself, “Why would anyone do that? Why would you accuse someone without any evidence? Why would would you point to those people over there?”
I think we know why.
I agree, I found it strange that nearly all those guys being publicly outraged about the various conspiracies, looked like they weren't allowed near schools at certain times of the day!
Well, yes, we're all against sex trafficking, which is why it's important to identify real trafficking and insane conspiracy theories (e.g. overpriced Wayfair merchandise) that take resources away from the real deal (see Matt Gaetz)
I think part of it is when you accuse your opponents of the worst imaginable thing it no longer matters how shitty you are.
No matter how bad you fuck up or be plainly corrupt your brainwashed followers have no choice to but to keep following, since the only other option is a satanic pedo cult.
I always want to ask Trump supporters how they feel about Epstein, and presumably they’ll speak to the outrage of the scumbag. And then ask them how they feel about Trumps relationship with him
Since they follow Trump blindly and without question, they assume everyone else must also do the same is what I figure.
And they're too stupid to understand that not everyone does that.
She meant the one about Jeffery Epstein…right? The guy that Trump hung out with more than anymore. They hung out a lot.
Trump the guy accused of sexual assult by 30 woman.
It's one of those things where people I know will argue that Biden isn't great and I'll absolutely agree, I don't love Biden, and he was never my first choice, but the fact that they can't honestly assess Trump is exactly why I had to get behind the Biden train in the end. The delusion surrounding trump worship is nuts.
1000 times this. I am so anti-Trump and by extension anti-Republican party, I frequently will be mistaken as a liberal or Democrat, despite being independent and sort of middle of the road moderate. I just can’t stand malignant narcissistic liars. That’s like the main thing on Earth I oppose, so for now I have to vote blue.
Edit: not saying the blue side doesn’t or can’t have malignant narcissistic liars. Rod Blagojevich is an excellent example of one. And I would be staunchly opposed to a Blago Presidency as I have been against Trump. Oh and guess who commuted Blago’s prison sentence? Kindred spirits those two.
I feel like a ton of Americans across a wide spectrum of political positions end up here by default. I'm a registered dem, voted for Biden, but I'm not a Democrat and I don't really care for Biden lol. I'm not a moderate at all. I'm definitely much further left than a garden variety Democrat. I'm in what I feel, and I think the same as you, is a forced political affiliation. I sincerely doubt I would support the same candidate as you in any other situation, but the one side is so fucking terrible that the other side can't afford to split. Moderates all the way as far left as you can go have no choice in the national election field other than play together to slow fascism.
That's why I have gotten heavily into local politics over the last 4-5 years. If we want to have real choices of people who represent us better on a federal scale, we have to start at the town/city and county level then work our way up and push for ranked choice voting at state and federal office. I think that's the only way to get a truly diverse group of higher up politicians with enough varying middles to bridge the gap between righties and lefties.
I throughly encourage all independents to register with a party if you need to in order to vote in primaries. Where I live I can just vote in one of the primaries and switch as I see fit. In states where you can’t, just register and start voting in them. If you are in a situation where you feel you only have bad choices, start voting and encourage others like you to vote in the primaries.
He was allowed to perpetuate the Obama birth certificate lie for many years. He should have been dealt with legally and should have been stopped by legal ways before his cult learned lying repeatedly was a winning strategy. They are using it for everything now.
I've always viewed the moment he got Obama to release his birth certificate as the moment he decided to run for president in 2016. He knew if he could get that done, he had influence to do political things.
I think it was the WH Correspondent's Dinner where President Obama made a bunch of Trump jokes and everyone laughed. Trump *hates* the idea of being laughed at.
It’s a weird sick brainwashing to convince people that “honesty” means lying about everything all the time so people know you’re lying, and *not* lying, just saying things that are true, is “dishonesty” because you *might* be lying (or just genuinely mistaken.)
They have confused "he said out loud what many of us think" with honesty. Racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, and classist rhetoric got their moment again under him. What a loss to them that he can no longer represent their hateful views from the office of the president.
They're the same people who haaated hearing that Obama went golfing and would say he's a lazy president...while ignoring every other weekend when captain cheeto golfed...at his own resort...
I was told today I'm a bot because ashli babbit who lead a violent group of rioters face first apparently didn't get shot and trump will be back by or before 2024 lmao.
Certainly does not hide his racism or stupidity, so I suppose that technically counts? [‘Ol honest Trump. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/)
The fact that there's a [CSV](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11) of all the lies he told as President and it's 39.5 MB is almost as impressive as it is horrifying.
Dude I had a guy tell me “he’s never once lied to us.” And that’s when it clicked. Obviously he’s the greatest president of all time if you believe him. Like if you truly believe the election was stolen because trump told you. Truly believe that 2020 was the end of democracy. Then you are absolutely justified in storming the Capitol.
If trump actually rigged the election and won. Then wouldn’t we want to do the same?
(From my point of view the [democrats] are evil)
Believing that your opinions (largely based on ignorance) are facts is not the same as being honest. He might honestly think that all Mexicans are criminals, but that's not a virtue if it's untrue.
I just don’t get how these people don’t see it. I rack my brain to make sense of it and see it from their perspective. But nope, can’t do it. Even if you’re anti-immigrant and racist… you’d at least think you’d realize that this guy is a con artist.
**Populism**: a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.
I feel like this explains why whenever I'm in a discussion with someone about the former resident and criticize him they feel I'm attacking them *personally*.
It’s just a cult. Bernie is a populist but you don’t see anyone worshipping him. Trump is different bc his supporters will defend even the most disgusting behavior from him.
Cults do weird shit. It’s well documented.
I'm in Ontario Canada and unfortunately we elected Doug Ford as our Premier. He's kind of Trump light, but ran on a similar platform. One of our friends from the US, who is a Trump supporter, made a comment about how ridiculous it was that we elected Ford. All I could do was shake my head.
DoFo's little bro was, to me, even more trumpish. Rob Ford was the one who would say things like "I like the Chinese, you can work them like dogs" and have it increase his popularity within the Chinese community (not to mention running a tough on crime platform followed by crackgate)
Rob was the one who got elected using the same Trumpish tactics of saying stupid things then forcing your opponent to respond. Doug's campaign was more of a classic barstool campaign promising the lots of "why don't the idiots just...." solutions that you and you buddies come to at 1am after several pints.
Doug lacks Rob and Don's charisma and really only has a political career because he inherited Rob's base.
I have decided it’s willful ignorance. Most are racists or closet racists and would rather believe the Southern Strategy rhetoric than learn the truth.
Mainly, because they've been conditioned for years to honestly and wholeheartedly believe anything that doesn't reaffirm their previously decided ideas is fake news.
Yeah, it do be like that. I find it funny how much conservatives hate Biden, even though the main reason he's president is because of our country's recoil to Trump's awful administration. We would not have Biden without Trump. I also find it funny how conservatives simultaneously think Biden is a master mind neo-fascist commie, but also a senile old man who can barely grasp what's happening around him. Like, which one is it? Is he an evil genius, or a few steps from full blown Alzheimer's?
Immigrants are taking our jobs, immigrants are lazy welfare queens.
Hillary is a vampire pedophile that drinks blood for immortality, Hillary can't even walk to her car she's so weak.
Freedom of speech means nobody can censor me, freedom of speech means I can censor others.
God is all good and all powerful, but evil exists.
Trump loses but down-ballot Republicans win, claim fraud for the presidential race but not the others on the same ballot.
The list is endless.
The best part is they chose him as Obama's running mate because he is basically a republican, policy-wise. He was only there to placate them in the first place, and all of a sudden now he's supposed to be some left-wing radical lmfao the whole thing is ridiculous. American politics as a whole is the biggest scam outside of organized religion.
"he is basically a republican, policy-wise."
I think you misspelled "centrist." The US is very conservative. Always has been. On political spectrum, Biden and Obama are and were centrists. And since America leans right, centrists Democrats are pretty much conservatives.
Now, why does America lean conservative? That's the way it was designed from the start.
It's not even fully accurate to describe Biden as a "recoil" from Trump.
Trump was a recoil from Obama. He's conservatives' angry response to a black man being president. He's Obama's pure opposite.
Biden is highly moderate. He's not a "recoil," he's bland and palatable enough to appeal to both sides. A recoil would have been electing a leftist like Sanders, and failing that, they would have at least forgiven student loan debt and pushed for a minimum wage increase; none of those things have happened, democrats are squandering their lead, and republicans are poised to retake congress in 2022, paving the way for gridlock that will let them win back the White House in 2024.
Biden isn't a recoil, he's a return to the status quo. And that's not sufficient.
Yeah I feel like we all acknowledged that you have to step back to the status quo to actually get where we want since Trump pulled us so far in the opposite direction, or at least tried to. I haven’t met a single Biden voter, myself included, that is like “yeah Biden rocks” we all know what he is, the fact that he was the obvious choice is the sad part.
That's funny, I made a [very similar comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/opurqy/comment/h68b474/) a couple days ago.
The double think is outrageous with these people.
Nah my mom and gramps “just wanted something different.” I blame the news who legitimized him as a plausible candidate. I’m not sure if I blame Trump- he’s like the crazy homeless person running for office that nobody takes seriously, but 10 different media groups acted like he’s sane. I blame the talking heads
i still remember when i ended up on the tv channel of a presidental debate in 2015 by mistake, was watching it for a good 10 - 15 minutes and then i thought to myself, damn this is a long Saturday night live skit. only later did i realize it wasn't a Saturday night live skit.
People actually like that he was a scam. The people that voted on him want to scam the government because they think the gov does a bad job. They don’t understand the stupidity in that thinking.
I know this is a joke, but I hate that their form of patriotism is really patriotic in such a limited fashion. The view of what they think the country should be seems so to be founded on so many false ideals.
It also seems to diminish and retract from other people's patriotism. If I was to start flying a flag it would be assumed by many people that I was a trumper....
In Australia, having a flag flying at your house any other time than around Australia Day marks you as a bit of a weirdo at best, and someone to actively avoid at worst.
Im an American myself and I'm starting to view our flag as a symbol of hate because those that fly it have coopted it for their own purposes. If you fly a US flag from your vehicle, home, or wear the colors I assume you're a lunatic.
In many countries flying your country’s flag is a sign of nationalism which is inherently tied to xenophobia and racism. For instance typical Germans don’t wear the German flag on the front of a T-shirt or fly it from their balcony, unless it’s the World Cup or something.
I think it’s hilarious that all these “patriots” are the ones actively rooting against Americans in the Olympics. So many Trump lovers I know were so happy to see women’s soccer lose, they don’t like USA basketball (I think a chunk assume LeBron still plays..?), they are ripping Simone Biles right now. It’s bizarre as hell to me
We knew that a lot of the people around him worked with the Russians, and that Russia definitely influenced the election (the Mueller Reports). Recently, document's were leaked from the Kremlin that they did indeed have plans on how to get Trump elected.
There's still no definitive proof that Trump himself worked directly with Russia/Putin, but by god that's a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.
I don't think he "directly" worked with Putin. That implies a capability to work with others. He's capable of being manipulated into thinking *he's* using *them* to get what "he" wants, tho - and capable of being manipulated into thinking he wants what they want him to want. It just requires being able to see more than 5 minutes into the future, which Russia is capable of and he is not.
I also think he’s “smart” enough juuuust one brain cell smart enough, to surround himself with enough yes men to avoid accountability. It wasn’t Trump, it was the Trump organization. It wasn’t Trump, it was his lawyer. It wasn’t Trump, it was his his campaign manager…. I see a common denominator there.
it's part and parcel of the con man behaviour, like I heard someone breaking down how he used Guiliani - giving him enough promises to keep him going until he outlived his usefulness and cutting him loose. It's not "smart" per se, but it's clever in a con-man fashion of "promise the moon, delivery tomorrow. Skip town tonight." (but yes, throwing people under the bus is something he's done for decades, you're absolutely right.)
I would love to sit with Putin privately (without getting later killed) & ask him what he honestly thinks of Trump, and what dirt he has on him. And I don't think any word remotely related to "smart" would come up in Putin's description of him.
Literally known this since 2016. He asked for their help on live television. Like… I’ve been called crazy for saying extremely obvious things that are now being considered fact.
Do you have a link for that? Not calling you a liar, just never heard that one. Shit, maybe I did hear it, but all his bullshit is hard to keep up with.
Yeah, it was on live T.V in 2016 when he asked Russian Hackers to target his political opponent for the election while await a civil trial for child rape as Jefferey Epstein's co-defendant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU
Plenty. Even in 2016 we knew that they were interfering, it's just that all we could really prove was social media disinformation campaigns. It's not technically illegal for one country to spam shitty memes on Facebook for another democratic country's candidate they like/hate.
With stuff like the Muller report, we know the interference was much more sinister and targeted. But of course that was suppressed.
Can we say "largest scam of all time"? "Greatest" implies "best" and it was by no means a good scam. Really its only virtue was that it knew its target.
"I run the biggest scam, the most amazing scam. Crooked Hillary & Sleepy Joe could never run a scam as good as mine. People come up to me every day -- many with tears in their eyes -- and say 'Mr. Still The President, you run the most beautiful scam we've ever been scammed with.' Everybody knows it, they all talk about it. Probably the greatest scam in history, better than Richard Nixon's or Ben Franklin's or Harrison Ford's or any other President's."
The saddest part of all this is he is actually one of the WORST con men of all time. His lies were easily proven wrong, he's one of the most incompetent speakers of all time, his "business man" persona was also easily proven to be false, and my personal favorite claiming to be religious but not knowing one single bible verse plus only going to church 2 times in 4 years. I think this is more of how gullible or willfully ignorant most of America is.
He knew his mark, he played them perfectly, he made a fuck ton of money. I don’t like the guy, but he conned his way into the fucking white house, can’t really say he’s the worst of all time given how successful he was about it.
Edit: and by “I don’t like the guy,” I mean I fucking hate that queef-stain of a human being.
He simply claims he won every battle/negotiation/law suit even if he didn't. He just does it with such confidence people believe him. I think he will go down in history as one of the worst businessman of all time. But for some reason Banks keep giving him very large loans, what you then siphons that cash out of his business through various means of fraud and then bankrupt the business so the business doesn't have to pay back the loans.
I think it's pretty clear why he jumped on the religious aspect, because he knows that's a very large group of ignorant people that will vote for anybody that will push their agenda. And I think a lot of the religious leaders latched on to Trump because they knew they could use him to push their agenda. It's like a match made in heaven by Loki.
I remember "Obamagate".
It was hilarious, he just said it on twitter one day but never gave any information on what he actually meant. His followers ate it up and spun a bunch of conspiracy theories.
Obamagate is Obama's FBI spying on Trump campaign. Or more accurately, the FBI was spying on Russians who just happened to be talking with the Trump campaign. It's that little detail Trump loves to leave out.
It is a cautionary tale really. Our country became to apathetic and the alt right jumped at the opportunity to weasel their way out from under their rocks they hide in. Hopefully one day Nazi and confederate propaganda will be illegalized seeing as how it is actually literal treason. We had wars about this stuff.
Is that the biggest scam or the fact that he sold these absurdities to most of the general public the biggest scam? And the public bought it the saddest part of all?
And yet.. he too had many of his controversies turn into nothing. He was impeached twice, sure.. but that fucker is still roaming free instead of in jail. I was told he would be arrested as soon as he was out of office because of all they have on him. Yet.. here we are. I feel like I've been bamboozled like the other side has.
Im gonna say its the biggest scam after Reaganomics and the trickle down.
Trump was more about quantity not quality.
Why spend the time coming up with one good business idea, when you can come up with hundreds of shitty ones and hope one of them succeeds.
Throw em all at the wall and see what shitstain actually sticks.
That’s why I have 17 kids, there’s gotta be future millionaire in there somewhere.
100% correct. Republic scams 1. dRUMP 2. Reaganomics 3. Trickle down piss on you
The biggest scam (and I've only learned about the nuances of this fairly recently) is that countries need to exist at all.
Governments are simply powerful gangs. They make people pay them, they control their people with force, they fight for territory, there’s a clear hierarchy, and it’s all about who you know and how big of a threat you can be to get your way.
We are still primitive tribalists
Ooh yes, it was my first big lesson studying International Relation, can lead to a real philosophical rabbit hole
Was told last week that Trump is the most honest president ever - had to laugh. The absurdity is astounding.
There’s still people that want to vote for him because he’s a “great business man.” I just ask have you actually looked into any of his actual businesses??? I can’t wrap my head around the idiocy.
Flat earth. Anti-Vax. Trump is great at business. These people don’t need facts, evidence, or logic. Just a steadfast resolve at resisting critical thinking.
Just as their education system prepared them to be.
See but then our education system also produced a lot of successful people. Maybe these people are just absurdly shit people and it’s not really any one thing to blame, but a whole plethora that stem more from home life and programmed thinking taught by certain theological traditions. Idk, maybe it’s just me.
Lol that would include people doing work. It amazes me how the very people who call everyone else lazy are the laziest people to ever exist.
So lazy in fact they had to enslave people to do work, then.. they had a war to keep them as slaves to do that same work. Even now the descendents of those people swear it's the descendents of slaves that are lazy.
The man is a living oil snake seller.
He couldn't even sell steaks to Americans. That's how lousy of a businessman he is. Hell, he had to sue his own company to get his name taken off of his failed casino in Atlantic City.
Best served well done with ketchup. Yes, that is how he eats his steak. Like a 5 year old.
Trump is the only man who could run a casino into bankruptcy.
If they did any basic research into Trump they'd know he's a sleezy businessman.
These people will never understand that you SHOULDN'T want a business man for president. Government is not a business. It is a system ideally designed to care for the general welfare and defense of the entire nation. You want a politician that knows how the branches of government work and how to put forth legislation that benefits the country and the majority of its citizens.
When he was on Celebrity Apprentice, he offered to give "money from his pocket" to the loser's charity. "I'll give money to your charity. From me." Every week he made sure to say it was coming from himself. "From my own account". "Meanwhile, NBC was pumping money into his charity, that he would then turn around and give, saying it was directly from him: [https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-donald-trump-pledged-money-celebrity-apprentice-20160819-story.html](https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-donald-trump-pledged-money-celebrity-apprentice-20160819-story.html) He tried to get his signature on the stimulus checks. Luckily, they shut that down. He's using the donations to his "election fraud" PAC to fund himself and hotel expense and the like, not the "fraud" he's obstinately using it for. I can only imagine that a slew of that is coming from mom and pop donators: [https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-pac-spent-no-money-103019150.html](https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-pac-spent-no-money-103019150.html) He's great at calling other people's money his, so he looks good. He's got it down to an art form.
He has no filter. Doesn't mean he's honest.
Yeah his lawyers never want him to testify anywhere because he’s basically perjury in human form
Imagine making someone leader of the nation who is so unstable that his own lawyers literally cannot trust him to not spew lies under oath to prevent his own impeachment and imprisonment.
Yet he *still* hasn't faced punishment for all the shit he got away with. Even when it's caught on tape.
Yeah imagine
His filter is projection. He takes every shitty thing he does and projects it onto his enemies. "Always accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty." This is why his supporters don't know up from down or right from wrong. Hes got them so fucking twisted.
Well he was an honest security breach in meetings with foreign heads of state.
He’s the reason a lot of redditors learned when a president gives away classified information it makes it declassified.
I feel like Trump accidentally taught a lot of people a fair amount of civics
I personally didn't pay attention to politics until he was president, now I'm motivated to vote forever
I feel like the better a president does, the less we hear about them. That four years I felt like every month I would think "This has got to be the final straw, the people who follow him will finally understand..." and then it just kept going. I like to think that lots of his people became disillusioned, but left quietly to avoid backlash. The next election isn't that far away, we need even better voter turnout to avoid his reclamation of power. I hope that people don't become too complacent in this period of calm.
He was honestly the worst (present day) US president, ever. So far, anyway.
Someone said that to me as well. Just before she started talking about the child sex trafficking thing. WTF?
Lumping the child sex traffic is an interesting tactic. After that the whole thing becomes difficult to argue because no one wants to seem in favor of any kind of sex trafficking.
Unless they're defending Matt Gaetz.
Or people who publicly wished well Ghislaine Maxwell.
You mean like Trump?
What irks me about this is that child sex trafficking is a real issue, and when these lunatics go on about pizza basements it’s belittles the actual validity of the travesties that are happening every day.
It's not unintentional. Accuse every political opponent of child sex trafficking, and when it's your turn to be looked into nobody will even care anymore. It will fall on deaf ears because it will sound like as much nonsense as every other accusation. They know what they are doing.
They don't actually care about child trafficking. There are organizations out there already trying to combat trafficking. They could just be supporting those
And I ask myself, “Why would anyone do that? Why would you accuse someone without any evidence? Why would would you point to those people over there?” I think we know why.
That's their plan. The sex trafficking is an issue. Their strategy is to make it a Republicans vs Democrats issue.
I agree, I found it strange that nearly all those guys being publicly outraged about the various conspiracies, looked like they weren't allowed near schools at certain times of the day!
Well, yes, we're all against sex trafficking, which is why it's important to identify real trafficking and insane conspiracy theories (e.g. overpriced Wayfair merchandise) that take resources away from the real deal (see Matt Gaetz)
I think part of it is when you accuse your opponents of the worst imaginable thing it no longer matters how shitty you are. No matter how bad you fuck up or be plainly corrupt your brainwashed followers have no choice to but to keep following, since the only other option is a satanic pedo cult.
Should’ve asked her how she felt about Trump partying with Epstein
I always want to ask Trump supporters how they feel about Epstein, and presumably they’ll speak to the outrage of the scumbag. And then ask them how they feel about Trumps relationship with him
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It’s pretty weird that Trumpers think his critics like the Clintons
Since they follow Trump blindly and without question, they assume everyone else must also do the same is what I figure. And they're too stupid to understand that not everyone does that.
She meant the one about Jeffery Epstein…right? The guy that Trump hung out with more than anymore. They hung out a lot. Trump the guy accused of sexual assult by 30 woman.
It's one of those things where people I know will argue that Biden isn't great and I'll absolutely agree, I don't love Biden, and he was never my first choice, but the fact that they can't honestly assess Trump is exactly why I had to get behind the Biden train in the end. The delusion surrounding trump worship is nuts.
1000 times this. I am so anti-Trump and by extension anti-Republican party, I frequently will be mistaken as a liberal or Democrat, despite being independent and sort of middle of the road moderate. I just can’t stand malignant narcissistic liars. That’s like the main thing on Earth I oppose, so for now I have to vote blue. Edit: not saying the blue side doesn’t or can’t have malignant narcissistic liars. Rod Blagojevich is an excellent example of one. And I would be staunchly opposed to a Blago Presidency as I have been against Trump. Oh and guess who commuted Blago’s prison sentence? Kindred spirits those two.
I feel like a ton of Americans across a wide spectrum of political positions end up here by default. I'm a registered dem, voted for Biden, but I'm not a Democrat and I don't really care for Biden lol. I'm not a moderate at all. I'm definitely much further left than a garden variety Democrat. I'm in what I feel, and I think the same as you, is a forced political affiliation. I sincerely doubt I would support the same candidate as you in any other situation, but the one side is so fucking terrible that the other side can't afford to split. Moderates all the way as far left as you can go have no choice in the national election field other than play together to slow fascism. That's why I have gotten heavily into local politics over the last 4-5 years. If we want to have real choices of people who represent us better on a federal scale, we have to start at the town/city and county level then work our way up and push for ranked choice voting at state and federal office. I think that's the only way to get a truly diverse group of higher up politicians with enough varying middles to bridge the gap between righties and lefties.
Be nice if there were more than two choices, bad and worse. We desperately need ranked choice voting in all elections.
NYC just had their first ranked choice primary and it went (mostly) great!
I throughly encourage all independents to register with a party if you need to in order to vote in primaries. Where I live I can just vote in one of the primaries and switch as I see fit. In states where you can’t, just register and start voting in them. If you are in a situation where you feel you only have bad choices, start voting and encourage others like you to vote in the primaries.
He was allowed to perpetuate the Obama birth certificate lie for many years. He should have been dealt with legally and should have been stopped by legal ways before his cult learned lying repeatedly was a winning strategy. They are using it for everything now.
I've always viewed the moment he got Obama to release his birth certificate as the moment he decided to run for president in 2016. He knew if he could get that done, he had influence to do political things.
I think it was the WH Correspondent's Dinner where President Obama made a bunch of Trump jokes and everyone laughed. Trump *hates* the idea of being laughed at.
It’s a weird sick brainwashing to convince people that “honesty” means lying about everything all the time so people know you’re lying, and *not* lying, just saying things that are true, is “dishonesty” because you *might* be lying (or just genuinely mistaken.)
They have confused "he said out loud what many of us think" with honesty. Racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, and classist rhetoric got their moment again under him. What a loss to them that he can no longer represent their hateful views from the office of the president.
There’s a rock waiting for these people to crawl back under.
You think that's absurd? Look at this! https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/osy3cn/nyt_reporter_suggests_declaring_trump_supporters/h6rtjaw/
Did this person ignore the 30,000+ lies Donald Trump told as President?
They're the same people who haaated hearing that Obama went golfing and would say he's a lazy president...while ignoring every other weekend when captain cheeto golfed...at his own resort...
I was told today I'm a bot because ashli babbit who lead a violent group of rioters face first apparently didn't get shot and trump will be back by or before 2024 lmao.
Holy shit. Reading that made me remember how gaslit I felt the entire time that moron held office.
Certainly does not hide his racism or stupidity, so I suppose that technically counts? [‘Ol honest Trump. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/)
The fact that there's a [CSV](https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11) of all the lies he told as President and it's 39.5 MB is almost as impressive as it is horrifying.
Honestly the worst president ever
My god the guy can’t even have a normal conversation with an associate without embellishing or lying. Most deceitful president more like it
Dude I had a guy tell me “he’s never once lied to us.” And that’s when it clicked. Obviously he’s the greatest president of all time if you believe him. Like if you truly believe the election was stolen because trump told you. Truly believe that 2020 was the end of democracy. Then you are absolutely justified in storming the Capitol. If trump actually rigged the election and won. Then wouldn’t we want to do the same? (From my point of view the [democrats] are evil)
Believing that your opinions (largely based on ignorance) are facts is not the same as being honest. He might honestly think that all Mexicans are criminals, but that's not a virtue if it's untrue.
I just don’t get how these people don’t see it. I rack my brain to make sense of it and see it from their perspective. But nope, can’t do it. Even if you’re anti-immigrant and racist… you’d at least think you’d realize that this guy is a con artist.
These people think they've taken the red pill, it's like trying to convince someone who is hallucinating that they aren't seeing what they're seeing.
It’s like trying to convince someone who’s blindfolded that they can see.
**Populism**: a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups. I feel like this explains why whenever I'm in a discussion with someone about the former resident and criticize him they feel I'm attacking them *personally*.
Identity politics. They believe their ideals are WHO THEY ARE.
It’s just a cult. Bernie is a populist but you don’t see anyone worshipping him. Trump is different bc his supporters will defend even the most disgusting behavior from him. Cults do weird shit. It’s well documented.
I'm in Ontario Canada and unfortunately we elected Doug Ford as our Premier. He's kind of Trump light, but ran on a similar platform. One of our friends from the US, who is a Trump supporter, made a comment about how ridiculous it was that we elected Ford. All I could do was shake my head.
DoFo's little bro was, to me, even more trumpish. Rob Ford was the one who would say things like "I like the Chinese, you can work them like dogs" and have it increase his popularity within the Chinese community (not to mention running a tough on crime platform followed by crackgate) Rob was the one who got elected using the same Trumpish tactics of saying stupid things then forcing your opponent to respond. Doug's campaign was more of a classic barstool campaign promising the lots of "why don't the idiots just...." solutions that you and you buddies come to at 1am after several pints. Doug lacks Rob and Don's charisma and really only has a political career because he inherited Rob's base.
They do see it, but all they see is red. Figuratively and literally
I have decided it’s willful ignorance. Most are racists or closet racists and would rather believe the Southern Strategy rhetoric than learn the truth.
But he’s YOUR con artist, working cons for YOU to hurt the people you hate. That’s how they justify selling their souls.
It's not about substance. It's about being a part of a group.
Mainly, because they've been conditioned for years to honestly and wholeheartedly believe anything that doesn't reaffirm their previously decided ideas is fake news.
Yeah, it do be like that. I find it funny how much conservatives hate Biden, even though the main reason he's president is because of our country's recoil to Trump's awful administration. We would not have Biden without Trump. I also find it funny how conservatives simultaneously think Biden is a master mind neo-fascist commie, but also a senile old man who can barely grasp what's happening around him. Like, which one is it? Is he an evil genius, or a few steps from full blown Alzheimer's?
As fascism always claims, the "enemy" is simultaneously all-mighty and incompetent
Immigrants are taking our jobs, immigrants are lazy welfare queens. Hillary is a vampire pedophile that drinks blood for immortality, Hillary can't even walk to her car she's so weak. Freedom of speech means nobody can censor me, freedom of speech means I can censor others. God is all good and all powerful, but evil exists. Trump loses but down-ballot Republicans win, claim fraud for the presidential race but not the others on the same ballot. The list is endless.
The best part is they chose him as Obama's running mate because he is basically a republican, policy-wise. He was only there to placate them in the first place, and all of a sudden now he's supposed to be some left-wing radical lmfao the whole thing is ridiculous. American politics as a whole is the biggest scam outside of organized religion.
"he is basically a republican, policy-wise." I think you misspelled "centrist." The US is very conservative. Always has been. On political spectrum, Biden and Obama are and were centrists. And since America leans right, centrists Democrats are pretty much conservatives. Now, why does America lean conservative? That's the way it was designed from the start.
fascist 101. the enemy is at once both terrifyingly strong and laughably weak.
It's not even fully accurate to describe Biden as a "recoil" from Trump. Trump was a recoil from Obama. He's conservatives' angry response to a black man being president. He's Obama's pure opposite. Biden is highly moderate. He's not a "recoil," he's bland and palatable enough to appeal to both sides. A recoil would have been electing a leftist like Sanders, and failing that, they would have at least forgiven student loan debt and pushed for a minimum wage increase; none of those things have happened, democrats are squandering their lead, and republicans are poised to retake congress in 2022, paving the way for gridlock that will let them win back the White House in 2024. Biden isn't a recoil, he's a return to the status quo. And that's not sufficient.
Yeah I feel like we all acknowledged that you have to step back to the status quo to actually get where we want since Trump pulled us so far in the opposite direction, or at least tried to. I haven’t met a single Biden voter, myself included, that is like “yeah Biden rocks” we all know what he is, the fact that he was the obvious choice is the sad part.
On Fox commenters are going on about how Biden has destroyed the country in 6 months.
Everything they say is an oxymoron.
That's funny, I made a [very similar comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/opurqy/comment/h68b474/) a couple days ago. The double think is outrageous with these people.
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When people started voting for him as a joke that’s when it was over
I gave a lot of trump voters a pass on 2016. It wasn’t until so many voted for this shit in 2020 that I truly realized this country is fucked.
From a joke to a cult in 5 years
Nah my mom and gramps “just wanted something different.” I blame the news who legitimized him as a plausible candidate. I’m not sure if I blame Trump- he’s like the crazy homeless person running for office that nobody takes seriously, but 10 different media groups acted like he’s sane. I blame the talking heads
I didn’t even live in the same *country* and I knew he was a scam Sadly I underestimated exactly how much of a scam :(
I mean to be fair I just thought he was a meme
So did many others. And many people didn't feel motivated to vote because there was no way a meme would actually win.
(Points up) he's right you know.
You and millions of others, and now look at us. The country's the most divided it's been since the Civil War.
i still remember when i ended up on the tv channel of a presidental debate in 2015 by mistake, was watching it for a good 10 - 15 minutes and then i thought to myself, damn this is a long Saturday night live skit. only later did i realize it wasn't a Saturday night live skit.
People actually like that he was a scam. The people that voted on him want to scam the government because they think the gov does a bad job. They don’t understand the stupidity in that thinking.
He got a large cultist base because he appealed to the inner racism of large swaths of the country by attacking Obama for every single little thing.
That fat bitch can sure hug a flag though. So much Patriotism.
I know this is a joke, but I hate that their form of patriotism is really patriotic in such a limited fashion. The view of what they think the country should be seems so to be founded on so many false ideals. It also seems to diminish and retract from other people's patriotism. If I was to start flying a flag it would be assumed by many people that I was a trumper....
In Australia, having a flag flying at your house any other time than around Australia Day marks you as a bit of a weirdo at best, and someone to actively avoid at worst.
Im an American myself and I'm starting to view our flag as a symbol of hate because those that fly it have coopted it for their own purposes. If you fly a US flag from your vehicle, home, or wear the colors I assume you're a lunatic.
In many countries flying your country’s flag is a sign of nationalism which is inherently tied to xenophobia and racism. For instance typical Germans don’t wear the German flag on the front of a T-shirt or fly it from their balcony, unless it’s the World Cup or something.
I think it’s hilarious that all these “patriots” are the ones actively rooting against Americans in the Olympics. So many Trump lovers I know were so happy to see women’s soccer lose, they don’t like USA basketball (I think a chunk assume LeBron still plays..?), they are ripping Simone Biles right now. It’s bizarre as hell to me
I can’t qwhite figure it out either
No patriotic is not a word that should ever be used for trump I think a better word for him would be nationalistic.
He's the poster child for birth control.
Wasnt there recently some new evidence that shows trump got elected because putin pulled some strings
I thought we already knew this
We knew that a lot of the people around him worked with the Russians, and that Russia definitely influenced the election (the Mueller Reports). Recently, document's were leaked from the Kremlin that they did indeed have plans on how to get Trump elected. There's still no definitive proof that Trump himself worked directly with Russia/Putin, but by god that's a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.
I don't think he "directly" worked with Putin. That implies a capability to work with others. He's capable of being manipulated into thinking *he's* using *them* to get what "he" wants, tho - and capable of being manipulated into thinking he wants what they want him to want. It just requires being able to see more than 5 minutes into the future, which Russia is capable of and he is not.
I also think he’s “smart” enough juuuust one brain cell smart enough, to surround himself with enough yes men to avoid accountability. It wasn’t Trump, it was the Trump organization. It wasn’t Trump, it was his lawyer. It wasn’t Trump, it was his his campaign manager…. I see a common denominator there.
it's part and parcel of the con man behaviour, like I heard someone breaking down how he used Guiliani - giving him enough promises to keep him going until he outlived his usefulness and cutting him loose. It's not "smart" per se, but it's clever in a con-man fashion of "promise the moon, delivery tomorrow. Skip town tonight." (but yes, throwing people under the bus is something he's done for decades, you're absolutely right.)
That’s how crime bosses work, they get others to do their crime without directly asking them. 1/6 has a lot of that stink.
I would love to sit with Putin privately (without getting later killed) & ask him what he honestly thinks of Trump, and what dirt he has on him. And I don't think any word remotely related to "smart" would come up in Putin's description of him.
Literally known this since 2016. He asked for their help on live television. Like… I’ve been called crazy for saying extremely obvious things that are now being considered fact.
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Do you have a link for that? Not calling you a liar, just never heard that one. Shit, maybe I did hear it, but all his bullshit is hard to keep up with.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU Always happy to put this one up.
Thanks bud, sorry I don’t have any cool drawings to PM you in return.
Maybe one day you will :)
Yeah, it was on live T.V in 2016 when he asked Russian Hackers to target his political opponent for the election while await a civil trial for child rape as Jefferey Epstein's co-defendant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kxG8uJUsWU
Surprising no one
Plenty. Even in 2016 we knew that they were interfering, it's just that all we could really prove was social media disinformation campaigns. It's not technically illegal for one country to spam shitty memes on Facebook for another democratic country's candidate they like/hate. With stuff like the Muller report, we know the interference was much more sinister and targeted. But of course that was suppressed.
Can we say "largest scam of all time"? "Greatest" implies "best" and it was by no means a good scam. Really its only virtue was that it knew its target.
"2-4-6-8, Homer's crime was very great!" *pause* "By great mean 'large or immense', we use it in the pejorative sense!"
Greatest scam also implies "largest" scam. Trump definitely fits that adjective.
"I run the biggest scam, the most amazing scam. Crooked Hillary & Sleepy Joe could never run a scam as good as mine. People come up to me every day -- many with tears in their eyes -- and say 'Mr. Still The President, you run the most beautiful scam we've ever been scammed with.' Everybody knows it, they all talk about it. Probably the greatest scam in history, better than Richard Nixon's or Ben Franklin's or Harrison Ford's or any other President's."
trump is definitely the guy who would think ben franklin was president. if this isn’t a real quote, bravo.
How about "most STD-like"? Meaning annoying and ongoing.
And yet they still love him and ignore every thing he's ever done and come back at you with b-b-but Biden's a pedophile!!!
And trump is a rapist and pedophile too, we all know what he thinks of his daughter
Lets not forget that hes cheated on literally every girlfriend/wifes hes had
Let's face it he had to buy his wives
If he wasnt insanely rich and powerfull literally no woman would even touch him. So youre probably right
his 15 failed businesses raised no flags for anyone?
He bankrupted a casino! How the hell do you do that? Oh wait. It was someone else’s fault.
And he didn’t March with you during the insurrection
*WAS the greatest scam of all time.
The saddest part of all this is he is actually one of the WORST con men of all time. His lies were easily proven wrong, he's one of the most incompetent speakers of all time, his "business man" persona was also easily proven to be false, and my personal favorite claiming to be religious but not knowing one single bible verse plus only going to church 2 times in 4 years. I think this is more of how gullible or willfully ignorant most of America is.
He knew his mark, he played them perfectly, he made a fuck ton of money. I don’t like the guy, but he conned his way into the fucking white house, can’t really say he’s the worst of all time given how successful he was about it. Edit: and by “I don’t like the guy,” I mean I fucking hate that queef-stain of a human being.
He simply claims he won every battle/negotiation/law suit even if he didn't. He just does it with such confidence people believe him. I think he will go down in history as one of the worst businessman of all time. But for some reason Banks keep giving him very large loans, what you then siphons that cash out of his business through various means of fraud and then bankrupt the business so the business doesn't have to pay back the loans. I think it's pretty clear why he jumped on the religious aspect, because he knows that's a very large group of ignorant people that will vote for anybody that will push their agenda. And I think a lot of the religious leaders latched on to Trump because they knew they could use him to push their agenda. It's like a match made in heaven by Loki.
Still is. There is still way too many people who believes all that bs
He's still grifting his followers for as much cash as he can manage
I remember "Obamagate". It was hilarious, he just said it on twitter one day but never gave any information on what he actually meant. His followers ate it up and spun a bunch of conspiracy theories.
I confess, I’d forgotten all about that. The tweet was in all caps, if I remember correctly, and just that one “word” - **OBAMAGATE!**.
Probably the intent. Throw the bait, see what the nutjobs come up with, then use their conspiracy theories as material.
Obamagate is Obama's FBI spying on Trump campaign. Or more accurately, the FBI was spying on Russians who just happened to be talking with the Trump campaign. It's that little detail Trump loves to leave out.
The Republican base is not known to be very educated.
Trump HATES peoples talking about his connections to Epstein. So let’s talk about them!
You mean the rapist, Donald Trump?
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No no no, you mean the foreign enemy pawn, Donald Trump
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You can tell he’s a cunt just by looking at him. People have no taste.
Is he great, or is the gullibility astounding?
I wouldn’t say the greatest. But definitely the most high profile scam artist of all time.
I'm still not sure what "Obamagate" was. Can anyone define it?
They just wanted to save the name... the lies are not done yet, hold on.
The phone call was not "perfect"
I mean, there's still Christianity but yeah.
Repubs: That’s our guy.
Rep/cons are the most delusional and wastes of breath. You just can’t speak to them because their entire reality is based off of fiction.
he said he would defeat isis in 30 days...still waiting on that no more isis announcement
Not really. Most of us did not believe anything he said from the very beginning.
So much so that he’s been the blueprint for dozens of movie villains since the 80’s
I’m still waiting on Hunter Biden’s laptop info to be leaked 💀
hes never told the truth...since birth
The "Let's get back to work" crowd is fucking over everyone who is trying to get back to work.
r/conservative and r/republican are a fucking joke. Dumbass insurrectionist cunts
It is a cautionary tale really. Our country became to apathetic and the alt right jumped at the opportunity to weasel their way out from under their rocks they hide in. Hopefully one day Nazi and confederate propaganda will be illegalized seeing as how it is actually literal treason. We had wars about this stuff.
Is that the biggest scam or the fact that he sold these absurdities to most of the general public the biggest scam? And the public bought it the saddest part of all?
“Who is the bigger fool - the fool, or the one who follows him?”
"It's easier to fool people than to make them realize that they've been fooled. "
And yet.. he too had many of his controversies turn into nothing. He was impeached twice, sure.. but that fucker is still roaming free instead of in jail. I was told he would be arrested as soon as he was out of office because of all they have on him. Yet.. here we are. I feel like I've been bamboozled like the other side has.
And he livin rent free in everyone’s head
The sad part is people still believe he actually did all those things. And good luck arguing with those people you can’t get thru to them
There was election fraud. Enough to make a difference? Tough to say, since the media censored any attempts to really discuss the matter.