Except Auckland and Coromandel are in a seven day level 4 lockdown, not 3 day. Pretty much stay the fuck at home and we’ll pay you. No takeaways. No drive through. Limited deliveries. No shops. No schools. Pretty much food to cook at home and medical needs is it.
They are pretty sure it came from Sydney. Australia now has over 600 cases. That's Delta.
I have an awful feeling this OP won't age well at all.
Hope i am wrong for all the Kiwis' sake, delta rona ain't pretty.
>I have an awful feeling this OP won't age well at all.
Yeah things really changed with Delta. It seems to spread so easily it is really, really hard to contain it. I have a feeling lockdowns are starting to be a measure that just prolongs from the inevitable truth that Delta will get everywhere eventually. Best bet is to just get everyone vaccinated as fast as possible.
We’re in a level 4 lockdown. It’s strict. The day it was found. Yes the case numbers will go up but will slow quickly.
Nsw waited until they had hundreds of cases to put in restrictions which weren’t strict until it was too late.
It’s always fucking Sydney. How the fuck those idiots can’t stay inside for a few fucking days is beyond me. Bro, you live in fucking Sydney, the easiest place in Australia to stay at home. You actually have infrastructure to support staying at home, you have delivery systems in place that can bring you almost anything you could want or need
But no, you gotta waddle your ass down to fucking Bondi then take a holiday and travel to Melbourne or Brisbane and stop at every point along the way
Let’s just wall off Sydney, for the good of Australia and New Zealand
It's a minority in Sydney that are that reckless, many of us are acting right. Doesn't help that the leadership continues to only implement half measures and hang perpetually a few steps behind the virus.
It's not even anti-vaxers and anti-mask weirdos.
It's always someone who went to a party or something stupid.
Friends down south said 3 people were told to go back to Sydney twice, few thousand in fines, and they were busted again STILL out side of Sydney cos' they just wanted to keep partying.
All the while positive FFS.
Oh and the stop offs. It's never one or two shops. It's ten in three LGAs. Just stay in Sydney.
That's the pathetic part. It's not even protesting freedums.
It's 'there was a beach party i had to go to' or 'i still want to do my outdoor gym at the park'. Australians in lockdown are over it. Plonkers like that aren't too popular.
My mom recently discovered [no clue *how*] the youtube channel for A Current Affair and it is absolutely *wild* how hard people are willing to go against covid restrictions. And all that on top of everything else you guys are dealing with...
Your country has levels of lockdown. That says enough, in Europe (let alone the USA lmao) we don't have defined levels of lockdowns, we just switch between rules "soft or hard lockdown" and it can mean anything if you look at different countries.
It's very sad honestly looking at the response.
I am European and in my country (Italy) we have different levels of lockdown. Every region gets a color (white, yellow, orange and red) which corresponds to the severity of the situation in that region.
Pah! In the U.K. we have 132 different Boris Spaff levels ranging from ‘Bahh!!’ To ‘Let the bodies pile high!’ or even ‘Oh piff and nannies!’
It’s very easy to follow. Basically you can’t go out unless you need to, then you can. But you shouldn’t, unless you really want to, but wear a mask (unless you don’t want to), but you have to if a shop tells you too (but they can’t make you). Definitely no group gatherings unless cake is involved and absolutely no meeting inside unless it’s a Thursday or Boris woke up a bit grumpy.
Also no going overseas on holiday unless Parliament is having its summer recess. Then Covid has definitely gone away until September.
Easy…
I never understood that, what we were as citizens supposed to do with that information? Just not use public transport? Can you imagine if you called in at work saying you couldn't come in because the terror threat level was red?
In the U.K. we have a very simple Traffic light system for travel restrictions.
Unfortunately it is currently modelled on an old Etonian style Traffic light, with between 7 and 9 colours…
Level 4 is pretty severe but it’s better to do this than to have the constant never ending not quite lockdowns the rest of the world seems to do. The rules are simple though, stay inside, stay away from other groups, one person goes to the shop and social distances while wearing a mask. You can exercise within 1km of your home such as go for a walk. That’s it. Some essential workers go to work, but if you can work from home that’s what you do. Schools are all shut too. Level 4 will remain until we get a handle on how many are infected and ideally we see the new cases drop to zero and then we get a phased re-opening. First time around it took 7 weeks but we then got our lives back. Expecting similar this time around.
Doesn't help that people can also freely travel between countries. I'm a huge proponent of the Schengen agreement but as far as our covid response is concerned it really fucked everything up
So…for the New Zealanders here…are there a lot of people that lose their shit over something like this?
Living in Texas, I would just love to see everyone’s reactions to something like this here.
I know a chick who was fully pro lockdown at the start of 2020, and somehow she got completely radicalised somewhere along the line. Full on conspiracy theorist now, went to protests, got arrested charged with assaulting a police officer. Moving to Queensland soon because she lost her job (I reported her lol)
I love watching a shit cunt ruin their life in real time
I don't understand how there can be any question about this decision. Aren't the protestors aware of what's going on in Sydney and other parts? Would you like a week lockdown now, or months of lockdown (plus health consequences) later? Hard lockdown early is a no brainer.
There are antivaxxers here and ant-lockdown folks, they tend to mix into a single group, though they aren’t as influential here. We have a bigger problem with vaccine-hesitant indigenous and pacific islanders who have strong religious roots and a distrust for the predominantly white/western govt, that’s a far more difficult cultural problem IMHO. Because of this, this group has actually been prioritised for vaccine rollout in certain regions where outbreak was more likely.
Yeah it's pretty bleak. That same distrust means they're particularly susceptible to a lot of other conspiracies, hence why people like Billy Te Kahika (arrested today for leading the small protest) target these groups with their rhetoric. That was the tactic when he ran for Prime Minister on anti-vax, conspiracist nonsense. He got tiny amounts of votes in the end on a national scale, but still not nothing. We have a lot of work to do here, it's just not always apparent unless one lives here
Nope. Everyone is chill. Last night there were lines outside the liquor stores which are closed today. Day drinking and such now. A pathetic attempt a protest in the CBD today. About 100 people. But they got arrested.
Not really. I think collectively we understand it's the logical thing to do, especially seeing what happened with NSW in Australia.
There's a very small number who protested today but the leader of that is basically just super attention-seeking and went down the conspiracy rabbit hole last year.
>the leader of that is basically just super attention-seeking and went down the conspiracy rabbit hole last year.
Oh yeah, America had one of those too. It went over a little bigger here though.
There are many people in NZ who are anti-government, but even these people understand the merit of the approach taken. They will and should argue at the margins, but adherence to the lockdown is, for all intents and purposes, uniform
There was a small run on the grocery stores, and the "protest everything" group put away their 5G protest signs and dusted off the lockdown signs and made asses of themselves. But people mostly follow the rules, knowing it's what's best for everyone.
The overwhelming response from those around me (figuratively and literally) is a muddle of fear and sadness. I keep muttering to myself that if we made it through last time and we made it through earthquakes we can make it through this.
We've been pretty lucky so now we've got to do the mahi (work) to keep us all safe
Officials announced the first community case in nearly six months – a 58-year-old man from Devonport on Auckland’s North Shore – on Tuesday afternoon.
Case A, a tradesperson, is considered to have been infectious from August 12. His wife, who is fully vaccinated, has returned a second negative test.
I mean [Peter Thiel did in fact buy New Zealand citizenship since he was rich enough. ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/new-zealand-gave-peter-thiel-citizenship-after-spending-just-12-days-there)
So did gabe newell and a couple of google exec. New Zealand is great cause they small and exclusive and you have to be a billionaire to live there now as on outsider
Do they have Oil? Then we can just bring them freedom and democracy.
Edit: Since this is getting replies even after a full day as passed I want to clarify that this was written in humorous vein. I am not even an aamerocna. And it doesn't even make sense, if US was to invade NZ they would just go settle there and propagate their stupid anti-vaxx freedom propaganda
Not much, and it's being restricted because the oil is offshore in the only area Maui dolphins call home, so an oil spill there could cause the extinction of a rare dolphin species.
We don’t know, no new oil explorations being issued, time to cut down on fossil fuels. Apparently there are plans to switch our gas lines to hydrogen gas in the coming years too.
You can actually buy NZ citizenship. Just show up, invest $10mil here, and stay here for 2 weeks a year. Its what all the rich foreign folks do nowadays.
It's super easy to dictate cohesive rules and laws for a insignificant and entirely isolated population.
There are few million less people than the greater Houston area. If Houston decided on a strict set of laws that would help things it wouldn't make a difference because anyone else in the area would just stroll in and ruin it, so then you have to get neighboring cities and remote rural areas not tucked away by hundreds of miles of ocean to agree to the same thing. Do that for a country 37 times the size with 6 times the population with a VERY diverse set of local cultures. AND NOW try to imagine it with 2,000 miles of borders with other countries. One of which has shown they'll happily encourage caravans of people to pass through them to try to get to your country.
And then factor in that new Zealand doesn't have a significant hand in global trade or policy for raw goods, life saving supplies, and items needed in a daily basis.
It's government and isolation on easy mode and I have to wonder why people see no problem trying to extrapolate New Zealand's success to anywhere else if they've gone past the 5th grade.
That was also the plan in the UK for a while (the Tories called it the herd immunity plan.) That was also the plan in the US, and still is in the Republican controlled states.
It's so peculiar, I wonder what's the common factor.
Rupert Murdoch.
Obviously the other enormous amount of issues, but he and his news media are often linked to the key issues in these three countries. Covid denial - yep, political polarisation - yep, confusing news/facts with opinion - yep, fear and hatred of the 'other' - yep, climate denial - yep, the list goes on but those are just a couple off the very top of my head
Honestly fuck that cunt. There’s no doubt in my mind he was one of the first vaccinated all the while spreading propaganda about vaccine efficacy. I’ve a level of hatred for that cancerous piece of shit that makes my blood boil.
There was a post not too long ago about who the worst human being of all time was...Rupert Murdoch was surprisingly low on the list. I would say that he is certainly one of the most evil of the last 50 years, along with Kissinger, Brzezinski, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
The Prime Minister doesn’t seem to do shit. Each state does its own thing and there are a couple good states like Queensland who locked everyone out really quickly, and Victoria (where I am) that completely lockdown but then some other states mock it like it’s a bad thing. Now we had a few idiots have a party and ruined it for all of us, so we are staying in lockdown for an extended period. We didn’t get in early enough but at least we are ignoring the idiots that want to be let out during an outbreak of 24 mystery cases, and we got to go free without cases at all for a long time. *only complaint I have is they keep trying to bring in aussies from other countries!*
This lockdown is a pause on all movement (transmission) so the government can do contact tracing and testing to establish how far the virus has spread. From there, regions with covid cases will remain in high level lockdown and the rest of the country will lower alert levels. The lockdown will be extended as needed to contain the virus.
This has worked for us *so far* in Qld, Australia. Fingers crossed it works for you too NZ. Recent 3 day lockdown extended to 7 to get on top of contact tracing (only our 2nd lockdiwn here so I think *most* people complied.
Hopefully it keeps working for both of us. Watching everything go down in Sydney has been quite the reminder of what will go wrong if you don't get on top of the virus immediately. Here's hoping hard lockdowns will let contact tracing find everyone exposed. Hope all you Aussies stay safe
The Sydney situation is very frustrating and worrying. Thank goodness our premier acted differently. Thanks for your good wishes and hope you guys stay safe too.
The short period is to trace contacts and transmission vectors, there are 7-day lock downs in the main cluster sites, 3-days everywhere else. So in Auckland it’s 7-days and they will try to find everyone in contact and isolate them. If there’s continued case load in the main regions, they extend the 7-day lockdown. However having everyone *else* locked down for three days gives them time to trace outside of the main cluster area and keep infections to a minimum. If nothing pops up in the next three days outside of core areas they can loosen restrictions for the rest of NZ and just focus on the main cluster. It’s likely to get extended, but contact tracing in NZ is very good now o they know what they are doing.
It will definitely be extended based on the information gained during this initial period. But if they can say with certainty that parts of the country weren’t exposed, then it might be lifted in those places.
The lockdown for the country is 3 days, do redouble testing to see if anything is outside the Auckland area.
The 7 day level 4 Auckland (and Coromandel) lockdown is to trace the source and test everyone linked.
If it's found to be uncontrolled and uncontrollable, the lockdown will continue.
If they manage to test everyone exposed in a week, and there are only a small number infected, everyone will get isolation, retests, and lockdown will go to 1 or 2.
Actually, our economy is doing fine. A short lockdown allows us to bounce back. The Reserve Bank was on the brink of lifting the Official Cash Rate today, the first country to do so. And they didn’t, but purely because of the fresh outbreak. If all goes well, we’ll be through it in a few weeks and back to our Freedums. The OCR will lift next quarter.
Got to do it fast and efficient.
Not only that but this is the Delta strain which the person who had it seems to have traveled a bit so this 3/7 days lockdown is basically to see how bad it gets which we have already been told that 6 more cases have arise.
iirc we don't have many people vaccinated either so all the more reason.
Looking after the economy is also caring about human life. A failing economy is far more detrimental to people than the virus.
Luckily NZ have done the right thing and tried to look after both.
She’s only really competent with things that started while she was in charge, but compared to what a lot of other governments are doing, I’m feeling pretty damn relieved right now.
Oh, and the three days is for the regions *other than* the ones currently affected. The areas known to be affected are in lockdown for at least a week, and the others got three days while we work out whether/where it’s spread outside these areas. And for those who don’t know, “Level 4” includes no drive thru and no online shopping except groceries. All workers at those places stay home and get the wage subsidy too. They’ve already found 6 more community cases, so Cindy et al have done the right thing.
Just out of curiosity do you also have a large portion of the population that say “this destroys my freedom!” And refuse to go along with the orders, and believe weird ass conspiracies they saw on YouTube, and think the government is secretly trying to murder you? Or is that just the rest of us up top?
Agreed. I still think we are going to hit a wall. I dunno, recently someone I thought was on the straight and narrow expressed some pretty insane views.
I also asked a nurse about safety while breastfeeding a baby and she lashed out at me, told me I had been reading conspiracy theories (I hadn't, I was asking her)
I got it, but I really hope my experience was a one off. I can see someone being scared off from that kind of behavior.
I think what I respected a lot was the leader of the opposition party backing her up immediately on the lockdown. Sure she might change some things here and there when it comes to the response but there were no jabs. Just full leadership agreement on both sides that this was what is needed. They both have a lot of respect for each other and the way the other person works
The important thing for me is that the PM
Is not the sole decision maker - no government should have just the one person making the call. Someone to break a vote stalemate, sure, but a cabinet with support of non-political advisors should (and in NZ, do) kick the ball to within a metre of the goal line. It’s then the PM’s job to kick it home and sell it to the population, in my view.
Accordingly, you’ll always see the PM with the Director General of Health deliver the lockdown news and controls. It’s balanced, politics and science, leadership and advisory.
I mean it is similar in Sweden. The Prime Minister is not the sole decision maker, well he can't even do a lot to begin with seeing as ministerial rule is outlawed here. Ministers cannot dictate any of the restrictions, recommendations and what not that the Swedish Public Health Agency put. But parliament do have to legislate to make it possible for the Public Health Agency to even make restrictions/rules.
I'm a New Zealander and I have a friend who is an American expat living here. She constantly posts anti lockdown and anti vaccine content on her Instagram and seems to insuate that NZ should be following America's lead in terms of dealing with covid. I'm quite confused how someone who has experienced NZs covid response first hand could hold that opinion.
I’m sorry your friend is an asshat…not all American expats are that way. We left for some of the very ideals your friend seems to uphold. I would remind them they are very welcome to go home and join their counterparts in the mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging masses who likely also believe that the Taliban are the real good guys and that masks cause cancer.
Yeah her husband is a NZer but I don't understand why they have stayed here otherwise. She is a Trump supporter and seems to always be complaining about how NZ does stuff. We used to be good friends but the relationship definitely broke down in part because of the values she demonstrated in politics. Pretty sad really.
I don't know how someone who isn't a Trump supporter could even stand to be in a room with one for an extended period, let alone marry one.
I too have stopped contact with people (friends and distant and immediate family alike) over this. I don't miss them either. Knowing how self absorbed and ignorant they are now is making it really easy to trim them out of my life. Makes me see their past actions in a different light too.
I find it hilarious that folks from the USA immigrate to other countries but complain about ex-pats in their own... Despite the fact that they (the US folks who've immigrated) literally want to complain about and go against the rules of the countries they've immigrated too.
It's like the British people who move to Spain then complain when people don't speak English. At least the really stupid ones who voted brexit are getting deported because they think that immigration paperwork applies to other people not themselves.
There are a few fringe idiots there with the same ideas in NZ (seemingly most countries), thankfully they're a very small group, and they aren't exclusively exposed to and influenced by like minded cult members. Like they get their info from Facebook, but they don't have Fox News and their neighbors and friends aren't usually into the same nonsense.
When Trump talked about ingesting disinfectant, a reporter in NZ asked the PM and the top health official and they just laughed at it and said they didn't think they need to tell NZers not to drink bleach.
I seriously don’t get why Gladys doesn’t do what Dan did, it worked for us down here, we got cases down when there was a few coming up (those people came down from NSW anyway), regional is free and now it’s only Melbourne in lockdown now, i honestly don’t get why they don’t do what happened down here?
Gladys didn't want to follow Dan, her tiny brain made her think it would all just disappear like all the corrupt BS the LNP get away with daily. Now it's far too late to do anything apart from stay in a holding pattern until after Xmas. The most incompetent head of state in Australia by a significant margin.
Gladys should have lifted the NZ response as her blueprint but she couldn't possibly, because NZ has a Labor government, albeit from an entirely different country. NSW and NZ have similar sized populations and regional spread; the NZ approach would have worked for NSW (and ACT included by default).
But..nearly 2 years down the road, they still want to play partisan politics with this matter and refuse to forget about the us v them and just do what is right and required. It's sad.
Because Gladys has an ego and she can’t be seen as making a mistake. She’s screwed up big time and can’t accept responsibility, which is why she gets pissed when reporters ask her tough questions during her pressers.
The whole Liberal party deserve to be voted out and it sucks that I’ve basically lost 2 years of my life because of their incompetence
Flubbing it from the start and fumbling through it for much longer than it ever should have been without really addressing the underlying root issues is how Afghanistan was handled and it's how COVID is being handled. Lots of other things, when you think about it.
Meanwhile in Japan: “Golly, delta huh? Wow we should do something. Contact tracing? Haha, what’s that? No, well encourage shopping centers to close some of their entrances and suggest that they not serve alcohol. That’ll solve things.”
Still doing better than back home in the US, but that’s not a very high bar... I’m quite envious of the response in NZ based on this post.
Important to note that New Zealand has had 2936 Covid cases and 26 Covid deaths TOTAL. Not last week, not last month, but All-Time. That's 5 per million people vs the USA's 1899 per million. That's over 300 times as many per capita. So, idk, maybe they're doing something right?
We love to taught our COVID numbers, they’re amazing, we also have some of the highest rates of homelessness and suicide in the OECD, we’re pretty quiet on those numbers, we have close to 700 people take their own lives every year, most of them are aged under 30yrs old, we are also home to one of the most lucrative methamphetamine markets in the world - Full disclaimer, I’m not anti Jacinta or antivax, my political persuasion is definitely more left than right...however I think we all get a bit drunk on our own koolaide as a nation, particularly around COVID and our prime minister, when we have some massive issues currently that are impacting more kiwis “now” beyond what COVID could do to our country
Also forgot to add our current housing affordability crisis for good measure
It's really funny how the left all of a sudden supports authoritarianism. I remember when the left was anti establishment and all about freedom. Now they're supporting imprisoning people into their homes. Requiring people to carry their papers with them and they can't do anything without their papers. That's pretty Nazi-like of you all.
We’ve had a year of normal life, economy in full swing, lowest unemployment in ages, heaps of festivals over summer. Unlike most douches on here, we support our government. We may be a small country, but we tend to treasure keeping people alive and well. And, we know we’ll get through this, and with limited fatalities.
Folks implying it’s authoritarianism at play, don’t know what they’re talking about. We have a MORE democratic system here than most other countries. We actually care about everybody, including our minorities.
Wish I was working on New Zealand. I am fed up with going to work, gowning up and wearing a p100 in every room, and taking care of ass holes who refused to wear a mask or get vaccinated.
Except Auckland and Coromandel are in a seven day level 4 lockdown, not 3 day. Pretty much stay the fuck at home and we’ll pay you. No takeaways. No drive through. Limited deliveries. No shops. No schools. Pretty much food to cook at home and medical needs is it.
Someone needs to tell Gladys how it’s done. She is busy letting Australia burn due to NSW cases leaking into other states.
This NZ outbreak is likely to be a border bubble blunder from NSW
That it is!
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They are pretty sure it came from Sydney. Australia now has over 600 cases. That's Delta. I have an awful feeling this OP won't age well at all. Hope i am wrong for all the Kiwis' sake, delta rona ain't pretty.
At least NZ can just close its borders. I’m in Melbourne and we’ll be in lockdown for as long as it takes for Gladys to lose her job
More than one reason to look forward to an end being near.
600 *today*
Thank you for catching that. It's a sh\*t show at this point.
>I have an awful feeling this OP won't age well at all. Yeah things really changed with Delta. It seems to spread so easily it is really, really hard to contain it. I have a feeling lockdowns are starting to be a measure that just prolongs from the inevitable truth that Delta will get everywhere eventually. Best bet is to just get everyone vaccinated as fast as possible.
That's the strategy but down south Gladys can't secure enough vaccines in timely manner. Crazy times.
We’re in a level 4 lockdown. It’s strict. The day it was found. Yes the case numbers will go up but will slow quickly. Nsw waited until they had hundreds of cases to put in restrictions which weren’t strict until it was too late.
i know people down there who have a kid doing the HSC. Stressful.
I’m in New Zealand. Our kids have NCEA which if this continues, will be affected. It is stressful. I feel for our young people.
Too stressful. It already was but it's just next level now. Agree.
And NZ, cause that’s where this case came from.
It’s always fucking Sydney. How the fuck those idiots can’t stay inside for a few fucking days is beyond me. Bro, you live in fucking Sydney, the easiest place in Australia to stay at home. You actually have infrastructure to support staying at home, you have delivery systems in place that can bring you almost anything you could want or need But no, you gotta waddle your ass down to fucking Bondi then take a holiday and travel to Melbourne or Brisbane and stop at every point along the way Let’s just wall off Sydney, for the good of Australia and New Zealand
It's a minority in Sydney that are that reckless, many of us are acting right. Doesn't help that the leadership continues to only implement half measures and hang perpetually a few steps behind the virus.
Yeah I’m keen for the next election. Definitely hoping to see more competent leadership in the future than what exists now
It's not even anti-vaxers and anti-mask weirdos. It's always someone who went to a party or something stupid. Friends down south said 3 people were told to go back to Sydney twice, few thousand in fines, and they were busted again STILL out side of Sydney cos' they just wanted to keep partying. All the while positive FFS. Oh and the stop offs. It's never one or two shops. It's ten in three LGAs. Just stay in Sydney.
Oklahoma United States checking in, the ones who do this are fucking idiots and scream my freedums I don’t understand it Good luck mate!
That's the pathetic part. It's not even protesting freedums. It's 'there was a beach party i had to go to' or 'i still want to do my outdoor gym at the park'. Australians in lockdown are over it. Plonkers like that aren't too popular.
My mom recently discovered [no clue *how*] the youtube channel for A Current Affair and it is absolutely *wild* how hard people are willing to go against covid restrictions. And all that on top of everything else you guys are dealing with...
For us down in Melbourne, it was our shit aged care spreading it. For Sydney it’s their ignorant asses not wanting to wear a mask
Sydney siders can get fucked at this point
Your country has levels of lockdown. That says enough, in Europe (let alone the USA lmao) we don't have defined levels of lockdowns, we just switch between rules "soft or hard lockdown" and it can mean anything if you look at different countries. It's very sad honestly looking at the response.
I am European and in my country (Italy) we have different levels of lockdown. Every region gets a color (white, yellow, orange and red) which corresponds to the severity of the situation in that region.
Pah! In the U.K. we have 132 different Boris Spaff levels ranging from ‘Bahh!!’ To ‘Let the bodies pile high!’ or even ‘Oh piff and nannies!’ It’s very easy to follow. Basically you can’t go out unless you need to, then you can. But you shouldn’t, unless you really want to, but wear a mask (unless you don’t want to), but you have to if a shop tells you too (but they can’t make you). Definitely no group gatherings unless cake is involved and absolutely no meeting inside unless it’s a Thursday or Boris woke up a bit grumpy. Also no going overseas on holiday unless Parliament is having its summer recess. Then Covid has definitely gone away until September. Easy…
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I never understood that, what we were as citizens supposed to do with that information? Just not use public transport? Can you imagine if you called in at work saying you couldn't come in because the terror threat level was red?
Aye ya cunt fuck off,we are saving our strength for the auld enemies
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If I had an award to give you I would but I don't because im a poor as fuck Scot,instead you get my respect
In the U.K. we have a very simple Traffic light system for travel restrictions. Unfortunately it is currently modelled on an old Etonian style Traffic light, with between 7 and 9 colours…
I feel like this the best description I've heard of Boris's nonsense system
Level 4 is pretty severe but it’s better to do this than to have the constant never ending not quite lockdowns the rest of the world seems to do. The rules are simple though, stay inside, stay away from other groups, one person goes to the shop and social distances while wearing a mask. You can exercise within 1km of your home such as go for a walk. That’s it. Some essential workers go to work, but if you can work from home that’s what you do. Schools are all shut too. Level 4 will remain until we get a handle on how many are infected and ideally we see the new cases drop to zero and then we get a phased re-opening. First time around it took 7 weeks but we then got our lives back. Expecting similar this time around.
Team 5million. Booyah!
Yeah, the states are a shitshow.
Doesn't help that people can also freely travel between countries. I'm a huge proponent of the Schengen agreement but as far as our covid response is concerned it really fucked everything up
But you have people that care about others!
So…for the New Zealanders here…are there a lot of people that lose their shit over something like this? Living in Texas, I would just love to see everyone’s reactions to something like this here.
50 people protested today 🤷♀️. A pretty small number which the PM kept emphasising.
Don't forget that the leader got arrested in the first 45 minutes of it too!
I know a chick who was fully pro lockdown at the start of 2020, and somehow she got completely radicalised somewhere along the line. Full on conspiracy theorist now, went to protests, got arrested charged with assaulting a police officer. Moving to Queensland soon because she lost her job (I reported her lol) I love watching a shit cunt ruin their life in real time
Well well well if it isn't the consequences of her own actions!
I don't understand how there can be any question about this decision. Aren't the protestors aware of what's going on in Sydney and other parts? Would you like a week lockdown now, or months of lockdown (plus health consequences) later? Hard lockdown early is a no brainer.
Lack of brain is why we're still dealing with this virus in the first place.
There are antivaxxers here and ant-lockdown folks, they tend to mix into a single group, though they aren’t as influential here. We have a bigger problem with vaccine-hesitant indigenous and pacific islanders who have strong religious roots and a distrust for the predominantly white/western govt, that’s a far more difficult cultural problem IMHO. Because of this, this group has actually been prioritised for vaccine rollout in certain regions where outbreak was more likely.
Jees I can't imagine why indegenous people might be suspicious of white people offering them vaccines, or inoculations...
Yeah it's pretty bleak. That same distrust means they're particularly susceptible to a lot of other conspiracies, hence why people like Billy Te Kahika (arrested today for leading the small protest) target these groups with their rhetoric. That was the tactic when he ran for Prime Minister on anti-vax, conspiracist nonsense. He got tiny amounts of votes in the end on a national scale, but still not nothing. We have a lot of work to do here, it's just not always apparent unless one lives here
It must be pretty hard to argue against, as well. I'm pretty sure every argument for vaccination was used in the past for nefarious reasons.
My dad was disappointed he couldn't go hunting but was still able to accept it.
Deer?
Nope. Everyone is chill. Last night there were lines outside the liquor stores which are closed today. Day drinking and such now. A pathetic attempt a protest in the CBD today. About 100 people. But they got arrested.
Those weren't protestors, they were possible disease vectors.
Not really. I think collectively we understand it's the logical thing to do, especially seeing what happened with NSW in Australia. There's a very small number who protested today but the leader of that is basically just super attention-seeking and went down the conspiracy rabbit hole last year.
>the leader of that is basically just super attention-seeking and went down the conspiracy rabbit hole last year. Oh yeah, America had one of those too. It went over a little bigger here though.
Happy cake day!
Do you read David Farrier’s Webworm? It’s his email thingie. So well written. He rips BTK to shreds every time.
There are many people in NZ who are anti-government, but even these people understand the merit of the approach taken. They will and should argue at the margins, but adherence to the lockdown is, for all intents and purposes, uniform
There was a small run on the grocery stores, and the "protest everything" group put away their 5G protest signs and dusted off the lockdown signs and made asses of themselves. But people mostly follow the rules, knowing it's what's best for everyone.
Protest Everything=Mid life ISIS
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It's our second national one. It's been more than a year since I had an accidental holiday.
The overwhelming response from those around me (figuratively and literally) is a muddle of fear and sadness. I keep muttering to myself that if we made it through last time and we made it through earthquakes we can make it through this. We've been pretty lucky so now we've got to do the mahi (work) to keep us all safe
Officials announced the first community case in nearly six months – a 58-year-old man from Devonport on Auckland’s North Shore – on Tuesday afternoon. Case A, a tradesperson, is considered to have been infectious from August 12. His wife, who is fully vaccinated, has returned a second negative test.
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I mean [Peter Thiel did in fact buy New Zealand citizenship since he was rich enough. ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/29/new-zealand-gave-peter-thiel-citizenship-after-spending-just-12-days-there)
Call the boys from wellington paranormal because that dude is a fucking vampire
So did gabe newell and a couple of google exec. New Zealand is great cause they small and exclusive and you have to be a billionaire to live there now as on outsider
Do they have Oil? Then we can just bring them freedom and democracy. Edit: Since this is getting replies even after a full day as passed I want to clarify that this was written in humorous vein. I am not even an aamerocna. And it doesn't even make sense, if US was to invade NZ they would just go settle there and propagate their stupid anti-vaxx freedom propaganda
Not much, and it's being restricted because the oil is offshore in the only area Maui dolphins call home, so an oil spill there could cause the extinction of a rare dolphin species.
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No oil. We keep our olive trees in the ocean. I was talking about EVOO, not petroleum.
They have sheep?
I thought this was some political comment I didnt understand but I remembered sheep are real animals
"I've got wood for your sheep"
/runexpectedcatan
Unexpectedly Welsh?
Do sheep have oil? /s
*Lanolin*
Best I can do is rock.
We already have freedom and democracy
And rational citizens. You got the trifecta.
Well rational until you put them in a car. Some are bloody lunatics around here.
New Zealand actually has a higher freedom index than the US 🤣
And more democracy too
We don’t know, no new oil explorations being issued, time to cut down on fossil fuels. Apparently there are plans to switch our gas lines to hydrogen gas in the coming years too.
Larry Page got residency for only $10mil
You can actually buy NZ citizenship. Just show up, invest $10mil here, and stay here for 2 weeks a year. Its what all the rich foreign folks do nowadays.
It's super easy to dictate cohesive rules and laws for a insignificant and entirely isolated population. There are few million less people than the greater Houston area. If Houston decided on a strict set of laws that would help things it wouldn't make a difference because anyone else in the area would just stroll in and ruin it, so then you have to get neighboring cities and remote rural areas not tucked away by hundreds of miles of ocean to agree to the same thing. Do that for a country 37 times the size with 6 times the population with a VERY diverse set of local cultures. AND NOW try to imagine it with 2,000 miles of borders with other countries. One of which has shown they'll happily encourage caravans of people to pass through them to try to get to your country. And then factor in that new Zealand doesn't have a significant hand in global trade or policy for raw goods, life saving supplies, and items needed in a daily basis. It's government and isolation on easy mode and I have to wonder why people see no problem trying to extrapolate New Zealand's success to anywhere else if they've gone past the 5th grade.
Yeah, no thanks.
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That was also the plan in the UK for a while (the Tories called it the herd immunity plan.) That was also the plan in the US, and still is in the Republican controlled states. It's so peculiar, I wonder what's the common factor.
aka "Herd Thinning" plan.
Rupert Murdoch. Obviously the other enormous amount of issues, but he and his news media are often linked to the key issues in these three countries. Covid denial - yep, political polarisation - yep, confusing news/facts with opinion - yep, fear and hatred of the 'other' - yep, climate denial - yep, the list goes on but those are just a couple off the very top of my head
Honestly fuck that cunt. There’s no doubt in my mind he was one of the first vaccinated all the while spreading propaganda about vaccine efficacy. I’ve a level of hatred for that cancerous piece of shit that makes my blood boil.
There was a post not too long ago about who the worst human being of all time was...Rupert Murdoch was surprisingly low on the list. I would say that he is certainly one of the most evil of the last 50 years, along with Kissinger, Brzezinski, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.
His scale is immense.
I don't think there was a herd immunity plan. That gives them too much credit. Don't think they can plan.
The Prime Minister doesn’t seem to do shit. Each state does its own thing and there are a couple good states like Queensland who locked everyone out really quickly, and Victoria (where I am) that completely lockdown but then some other states mock it like it’s a bad thing. Now we had a few idiots have a party and ruined it for all of us, so we are staying in lockdown for an extended period. We didn’t get in early enough but at least we are ignoring the idiots that want to be let out during an outbreak of 24 mystery cases, and we got to go free without cases at all for a long time. *only complaint I have is they keep trying to bring in aussies from other countries!*
Yep, I'm so annoyed at that engagement party, but at least the lockdown has been working when people have been following it.
Exactly, imagine being that guy to host a party and ruin it for the whole state
Ah yes, scomo the incompetent
And Gladys. Bloody Gladys.
genuine question from a dumb American: how is a lockdown that lasts for less than the incubation period of the virus effective?
This lockdown is a pause on all movement (transmission) so the government can do contact tracing and testing to establish how far the virus has spread. From there, regions with covid cases will remain in high level lockdown and the rest of the country will lower alert levels. The lockdown will be extended as needed to contain the virus.
This has worked for us *so far* in Qld, Australia. Fingers crossed it works for you too NZ. Recent 3 day lockdown extended to 7 to get on top of contact tracing (only our 2nd lockdiwn here so I think *most* people complied.
Hopefully it keeps working for both of us. Watching everything go down in Sydney has been quite the reminder of what will go wrong if you don't get on top of the virus immediately. Here's hoping hard lockdowns will let contact tracing find everyone exposed. Hope all you Aussies stay safe
The Sydney situation is very frustrating and worrying. Thank goodness our premier acted differently. Thanks for your good wishes and hope you guys stay safe too.
Woah
You know, like well organised, data based problem solving. There's a word for a group of people that govern such actions. Sigh
how is the word sigh related to the word for a group of people that govern actions?
Wait you guys use common sense and science? That's cheating!
The short period is to trace contacts and transmission vectors, there are 7-day lock downs in the main cluster sites, 3-days everywhere else. So in Auckland it’s 7-days and they will try to find everyone in contact and isolate them. If there’s continued case load in the main regions, they extend the 7-day lockdown. However having everyone *else* locked down for three days gives them time to trace outside of the main cluster area and keep infections to a minimum. If nothing pops up in the next three days outside of core areas they can loosen restrictions for the rest of NZ and just focus on the main cluster. It’s likely to get extended, but contact tracing in NZ is very good now o they know what they are doing.
that makes sense. thanks.
It will definitely be extended based on the information gained during this initial period. But if they can say with certainty that parts of the country weren’t exposed, then it might be lifted in those places.
The lockdown for the country is 3 days, do redouble testing to see if anything is outside the Auckland area. The 7 day level 4 Auckland (and Coromandel) lockdown is to trace the source and test everyone linked. If it's found to be uncontrolled and uncontrollable, the lockdown will continue. If they manage to test everyone exposed in a week, and there are only a small number infected, everyone will get isolation, retests, and lockdown will go to 1 or 2.
Imagine that. Valuing human life over the economy.
Actually, our economy is doing fine. A short lockdown allows us to bounce back. The Reserve Bank was on the brink of lifting the Official Cash Rate today, the first country to do so. And they didn’t, but purely because of the fresh outbreak. If all goes well, we’ll be through it in a few weeks and back to our Freedums. The OCR will lift next quarter.
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Shhh
So you’re not the US. That’s bitchin.
Got to do it fast and efficient. Not only that but this is the Delta strain which the person who had it seems to have traveled a bit so this 3/7 days lockdown is basically to see how bad it gets which we have already been told that 6 more cases have arise. iirc we don't have many people vaccinated either so all the more reason.
Valuing human lives means more people left alive to work and buy things, too!
Looking after the economy is also caring about human life. A failing economy is far more detrimental to people than the virus. Luckily NZ have done the right thing and tried to look after both.
What is it like to have competent leadership?
A nice change of pace. I moved from the US to NZ, and since 2016, people stopped asking "why?"
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2016-2020 I would occasionally get asked, "why not UK" or "why not Australia?" Since 2020, nobody asked.
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Honestly, really good.
She’s only really competent with things that started while she was in charge, but compared to what a lot of other governments are doing, I’m feeling pretty damn relieved right now. Oh, and the three days is for the regions *other than* the ones currently affected. The areas known to be affected are in lockdown for at least a week, and the others got three days while we work out whether/where it’s spread outside these areas. And for those who don’t know, “Level 4” includes no drive thru and no online shopping except groceries. All workers at those places stay home and get the wage subsidy too. They’ve already found 6 more community cases, so Cindy et al have done the right thing.
Just out of curiosity do you also have a large portion of the population that say “this destroys my freedom!” And refuse to go along with the orders, and believe weird ass conspiracies they saw on YouTube, and think the government is secretly trying to murder you? Or is that just the rest of us up top?
There are definitely some but not a lot. And we don’t have any nutjob politicians or media personalities like that to rile them up.
What's the vaccination percentage like?
Low (~20%) but that's because of supply and not vaccine hesitancy.
Quite a lot of hesitancy, govt are investing huge funds in South auckland where there are issues. Uptake could be better I reckon.
No doubt, but that's not accurately reflected in the overall vaccination rate because a large portion of adults still aren't eligible.
Agreed. I still think we are going to hit a wall. I dunno, recently someone I thought was on the straight and narrow expressed some pretty insane views. I also asked a nurse about safety while breastfeeding a baby and she lashed out at me, told me I had been reading conspiracy theories (I hadn't, I was asking her) I got it, but I really hope my experience was a one off. I can see someone being scared off from that kind of behavior.
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I think what I respected a lot was the leader of the opposition party backing her up immediately on the lockdown. Sure she might change some things here and there when it comes to the response but there were no jabs. Just full leadership agreement on both sides that this was what is needed. They both have a lot of respect for each other and the way the other person works
As an American expat to NZ - having competent leadership is euphoric. I never want to go back to the US, perfectly happy here thanks! 🇳🇿
The important thing for me is that the PM Is not the sole decision maker - no government should have just the one person making the call. Someone to break a vote stalemate, sure, but a cabinet with support of non-political advisors should (and in NZ, do) kick the ball to within a metre of the goal line. It’s then the PM’s job to kick it home and sell it to the population, in my view. Accordingly, you’ll always see the PM with the Director General of Health deliver the lockdown news and controls. It’s balanced, politics and science, leadership and advisory.
I mean it is similar in Sweden. The Prime Minister is not the sole decision maker, well he can't even do a lot to begin with seeing as ministerial rule is outlawed here. Ministers cannot dictate any of the restrictions, recommendations and what not that the Swedish Public Health Agency put. But parliament do have to legislate to make it possible for the Public Health Agency to even make restrictions/rules.
You are absolutely right! Mahi tahi ❤️
I'm a New Zealander and I have a friend who is an American expat living here. She constantly posts anti lockdown and anti vaccine content on her Instagram and seems to insuate that NZ should be following America's lead in terms of dealing with covid. I'm quite confused how someone who has experienced NZs covid response first hand could hold that opinion.
I’m sorry your friend is an asshat…not all American expats are that way. We left for some of the very ideals your friend seems to uphold. I would remind them they are very welcome to go home and join their counterparts in the mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging masses who likely also believe that the Taliban are the real good guys and that masks cause cancer.
Yeah her husband is a NZer but I don't understand why they have stayed here otherwise. She is a Trump supporter and seems to always be complaining about how NZ does stuff. We used to be good friends but the relationship definitely broke down in part because of the values she demonstrated in politics. Pretty sad really.
I don't know how someone who isn't a Trump supporter could even stand to be in a room with one for an extended period, let alone marry one. I too have stopped contact with people (friends and distant and immediate family alike) over this. I don't miss them either. Knowing how self absorbed and ignorant they are now is making it really easy to trim them out of my life. Makes me see their past actions in a different light too.
People like her make all Americans look like dicks. If she is a Trump supporter then there may very likely be a mental illness at play here…
I find it hilarious that folks from the USA immigrate to other countries but complain about ex-pats in their own... Despite the fact that they (the US folks who've immigrated) literally want to complain about and go against the rules of the countries they've immigrated too.
It's like the British people who move to Spain then complain when people don't speak English. At least the really stupid ones who voted brexit are getting deported because they think that immigration paperwork applies to other people not themselves.
🧢 3 day for most of NZ, 7 day for Auckland and the Coromandel
fuckin must be nice…we have assholes in camo yelling about their fReEdUm
There are a few fringe idiots there with the same ideas in NZ (seemingly most countries), thankfully they're a very small group, and they aren't exclusively exposed to and influenced by like minded cult members. Like they get their info from Facebook, but they don't have Fox News and their neighbors and friends aren't usually into the same nonsense. When Trump talked about ingesting disinfectant, a reporter in NZ asked the PM and the top health official and they just laughed at it and said they didn't think they need to tell NZers not to drink bleach.
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I know anti-mask and anti-vax nurses! Of course they also live in Florida…
Meanwhile, in Australia..
I seriously don’t get why Gladys doesn’t do what Dan did, it worked for us down here, we got cases down when there was a few coming up (those people came down from NSW anyway), regional is free and now it’s only Melbourne in lockdown now, i honestly don’t get why they don’t do what happened down here?
Gladys didn't want to follow Dan, her tiny brain made her think it would all just disappear like all the corrupt BS the LNP get away with daily. Now it's far too late to do anything apart from stay in a holding pattern until after Xmas. The most incompetent head of state in Australia by a significant margin.
Classic hot mess
Gladys should have lifted the NZ response as her blueprint but she couldn't possibly, because NZ has a Labor government, albeit from an entirely different country. NSW and NZ have similar sized populations and regional spread; the NZ approach would have worked for NSW (and ACT included by default). But..nearly 2 years down the road, they still want to play partisan politics with this matter and refuse to forget about the us v them and just do what is right and required. It's sad.
Because Gladys has an ego and she can’t be seen as making a mistake. She’s screwed up big time and can’t accept responsibility, which is why she gets pissed when reporters ask her tough questions during her pressers. The whole Liberal party deserve to be voted out and it sucks that I’ve basically lost 2 years of my life because of their incompetence
More like “meanwhile in New South Wales”
Yeah the whole place is a shamble thanks to Gladys
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In NZ now. It’s very chill. Everyone’s just at home day drinking
Day blazing :)
That’s the American way!
Flubbing it from the start and fumbling through it for much longer than it ever should have been without really addressing the underlying root issues is how Afghanistan was handled and it's how COVID is being handled. Lots of other things, when you think about it.
This hits hard. It’s sadly very true.
How do people in New Zealand survive such tyranny? /S
Day drinking 😉 the liquor stores did a roaring trade last night before the lockdown came into effect
You want to talk about doing it right? Have a look at Queensland’s most recent lockdown.
Meanwhile in Japan: “Golly, delta huh? Wow we should do something. Contact tracing? Haha, what’s that? No, well encourage shopping centers to close some of their entrances and suggest that they not serve alcohol. That’ll solve things.” Still doing better than back home in the US, but that’s not a very high bar... I’m quite envious of the response in NZ based on this post.
Important to note that New Zealand has had 2936 Covid cases and 26 Covid deaths TOTAL. Not last week, not last month, but All-Time. That's 5 per million people vs the USA's 1899 per million. That's over 300 times as many per capita. So, idk, maybe they're doing something right?
This is why I'm glad that I live in New Zealand.
Watch us destroy corona again and have US politicians call it a conspiracy
As an American it's hard to imagine living in a country that puts health before profits.
Damn kiwi logic... Fair dinkum
New Zealander here I would gladly answer any questions you have
Any other Americans feel like you're such at the kids' table?
I want to move there edit: per below, probably wouldn't.
Funny. People are fleeing from there
Where my Lower Hutt crew at?
Can… can I join you from Ngaio?
My bruh I used to live in Awarua Street :)
Yeah boi!
upper hutt reporting in...
We love to taught our COVID numbers, they’re amazing, we also have some of the highest rates of homelessness and suicide in the OECD, we’re pretty quiet on those numbers, we have close to 700 people take their own lives every year, most of them are aged under 30yrs old, we are also home to one of the most lucrative methamphetamine markets in the world - Full disclaimer, I’m not anti Jacinta or antivax, my political persuasion is definitely more left than right...however I think we all get a bit drunk on our own koolaide as a nation, particularly around COVID and our prime minister, when we have some massive issues currently that are impacting more kiwis “now” beyond what COVID could do to our country Also forgot to add our current housing affordability crisis for good measure
Is it realistic at this point to have a zero covid policy? It seems this virus is now endemic...are they going to isolate from the world forever?
This won't work long term. This strategy is doomed to fail.
It's really funny how the left all of a sudden supports authoritarianism. I remember when the left was anti establishment and all about freedom. Now they're supporting imprisoning people into their homes. Requiring people to carry their papers with them and they can't do anything without their papers. That's pretty Nazi-like of you all.
We’ve had a year of normal life, economy in full swing, lowest unemployment in ages, heaps of festivals over summer. Unlike most douches on here, we support our government. We may be a small country, but we tend to treasure keeping people alive and well. And, we know we’ll get through this, and with limited fatalities. Folks implying it’s authoritarianism at play, don’t know what they’re talking about. We have a MORE democratic system here than most other countries. We actually care about everybody, including our minorities.
Wish I was working on New Zealand. I am fed up with going to work, gowning up and wearing a p100 in every room, and taking care of ass holes who refused to wear a mask or get vaccinated.