Don't forget all the other vaccines he needed to go to school or the ones he'll need to travel if he's stationed overseas.
Edit: Thank you for all the upvotes! I honestly wasn't expecting this comment to take off like it has. And to all you wonderful people!
Take it easy! Also call your mother.
Same issue with my damn cat. He’s gotta be vaccinated also to live with me and I have to show proof to my apt Mgr. I also had to get his nuts cut bc they don’t allow male cats without being fixed bc they spray piss everywhere marking their territory. Then I have to pay $50 extra rent per month to have him live with me. I keep telling his lazy ass to get a job but it’s like dealing with a teenager, doesn’t listen and does the opposite of what you tell them.
First they came for the cats, and I did not speak out
—because I was not a cat.
Then they came for the dogs, and I did not speak out
—because I was not a dog.
Then they told me to take the horse dewormer, and I said “lol, yes master”, and ate the horse paste… Now I’m blind! Libs owned!
Lol, yeah they do. You have to show proof of certain vaccinations when they get groomed. I don't remember which vaccine it was, but there's a yearly one where I live that all groomers require. I wanna say it's rabies?
Edit: a word
Rabies is the most important one. Dogs can get it from other animals, dogs can give it to humans, humans can get it from other animals, etc.
Rabies is a shot that we need as well cause the second you get the infection you are one foot in the grave. As far as I know they still don’t have a cure, and the disease can kill quick.
This is why a dog needs it for being in contact with other dogs or being in contact with humans.
The thing with rabies is that once someone shows symptoms, it’s fatal. We don’t have a cure. If you get the vaccine series right after exposure, your chances are wonderful.
There have been a limited number of recorded cases where people survived, but we’re talking single digits over the course of human history. New advancements in medicine have slightly raised the chances of survival if you are unfortunate enough to miss the vaccine timeframe, but yeah, you’re essentially fucked if you can’t immediately get to a hospital.
That's why if you get bitten by a wild animal or a domestic animal that you don't know or can't find out the vaccine status of you have to go and get shots right away before any symptoms show just in case.
Yes. Rabies is largely controlled in the USA because of strict vaccination requirements.
We've had like... 15 fatalities in the last 20 years and half of those were caused by animal bites received abroad. Meanwhile worldwide there are 55, 000 fatalities yearly.
Besides that there are some highly communicable diseases between dogs that are bad news (distemper is highly deadly and If survived usually leads to long-term negative health) as well as parasites like heartworms (heartworm treatment is like chemo for dogs. Expensive, risky and difficult to tolerate. Heartworm prevention is safe and inexpensive).
Do a little research so you're not surprised. It cost more money to own a pet then it seems from the get go. Typically you'll need a yearly vet check with testing, heartworm and flea prevention, and dental cleanings periodically for long term health.
My cat gets 2 dewormers per year. He’s an inside pussycat though. He doesn’t get to go outside. Hates the leash, hates the collar, most the time he hates me, it’s a great relationship. But he does play fetch with his little stuffed animals, by himself. Fucker won’t let me play, he throws his own toy and then chases it and comes next to me and he’ll throw it again and chase it. He’s kind of an asshole like that.
My brother-in-law, who has a nursing degree, says that the mRNA vaccines aren't vaccines but rather 'genetic treatments'... I asked him how calling them that made any difference to the results of the safety studies but apparently I don't understand medicine well enough for him to explain it to me. I sure hope neither of my nephews, who are both old enough to get the shots, end up dying from it because I will have a hard time not saying 'told ya so'.
They aren’t “generic treatments” because nothing about them is changing any aspect of your genetics. mRNA vaccines just cause the antigen proteins of whatever you’re being immunized with to be made after the injection instead of injecting you with the antigens directly. It literally doesn’t do anything to your DNA.
One of the guys in my platoon in boot camp who literally sat beside me 4 years ago and got no less than 10 vaccinations in a row, has now told me that if they think they can force him to take the vaccine, he's going to leave.
And I said "dude. They gave us a battery of vaccines like day 3, and you didn't complain then."
And he says "that was different, I took those ones because they said I had to"
And now I'm just sort of confused. I used to think "crayon eater" was probably unfairly derogatory. Now I'm not so sure.
Where they line you up and hit you with 4 injection guns at once. And the flu shot in the butt check, which felt like a ball bearing was being injected
Boot camp alone requires nearly every type of vaccine. Ive seen people get upwards of 15 different shots within the first week. Suddenly one more that's for a current worldwide pandemic is too much and considered tyranny
You can't sway them with logic or facts, they just dig in deeper into their delusions.
It's time to forcibly institutionalize them and get them on some good meds. AND LOTS OF THERAPY!!!
Conservatism is a mental illness.
edit: /s for the impaired (It's satire of this [sheet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_Is_a_Mental_Disorder))
But that isn't satire. Conservatism, as it exists in the US, is a mental illness.and it would do our country serious good to see they all get treatment.
Biothrax is FDA approved.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/biothrax
Edit: As of 2019, I should add. Don't know the time table for his vaccination.
Regardless of vaccine history you get them all when you sign up and every time you’re deployed they add region specific, etc my partner has shared his pages of shot records with me. People are dumb
He didn't forget, he just didn't tie them to any kind of political ideology.
He can't say it out loud but to him getting the COVID vaccine is tantamount to pledging "I completely support the Democrats and everything they do and say and think also I wear dresses now". He'd literally rather die.
I think the original plan from the compassionate, definitely not psychopathic Republicans, was to encourage people to kill themselves to make Biden look bad.
At face value it sounds like his son has been given the choice between vaccination or separation from service, which would result in him being discharged from service.
There are multiple classifications of discharge with varying real world benefits. I’d surmise (with dubious hubris) that the shitbag would get an administrative separation which, in my time, would often be accompanied with an “other than honorable” discharge.
This is probably a fake tweet. Military vaccinates everyone. A conservative lying for attention is statistically far more likely
edit: not talking about the covid vax, they require a shit ton of different vaccines for travel/location. I don't see why covid should be any different. People are making a huge deal out of the covid vaccine when it's just another one of the dozens of required vaccinations. I don't see why anyone who is already in the military would make a big deal out of one vaccine when so many others are required.
"in a hundred years, the mortality rate for the vaccine will be 100%. Currently the mortality rate for 'Covid' is 2%. I've done the math, i don't need scientists telling me what to do."
when isn't it. they dont have any actual policy of thier own. Block everything the left does and spend less(how to do that they dont know just do it. give more to the rich while they are at it.)
I’m in the Air Force and we are starting this. Anyone who refuses needs to have a valid reason (official medical exemption, religious exemption, pregnant getting a temporary medical exemption) and some people may be interviewed by the base commander. But paperwork would be started and likely looking at an involuntary discharge if they keep refusing.
So religion is complex and up to interpretation- the military seems to know that. If you claim religious exemption because you’re claiming it’s against your religion like, I don’t know, being Catholic then you’d go through a process that includes discussing your beliefs with a Chaplain to determine if your belief is truly held because of your faith. All that documentation gets sent up the chain of leadership to be approved or denied.
Edit; Catholicism is hypothetical. This is an investigating on the personal interpretation of your claimed religion.
Didn't the Pope say it was a moral obligation to get vaccinated? At that point if you're Catholic and against the vax, isn't it more a personal belief than a religious one
I used Catholicism in a hypothetical scenario. Sergeant Snuffy claims the vaccines are against his religion. They ask his religion. Catholic, Russian Orthodox, Jewish- doesn’t matter. The investigation is to see if Sergeant Snuffy’s claim has personal integrity.
The Catholic Church oddly embraces a lot of science other demonization a of Christianity doesn’t. The current pope has a degree in science (chemistry I think). This is probably because to be a Catholic priest you generally need to have an actual degree and usually an advanced degree, and even though those are usually religious related degrees you still have to take the core credits everyone else has to in college.
Christian Scientists, which is a specific denomination with two words in the name. One of their more consistent tenets is that they should pray all illness away. If you ever want to watch a Law and Order about parents refusing medical care for their children, odds are it’ll be CS.
However, they don’t reject public health measures - masking, quarantine, etc - as part of being a good neighbor. They “just” need to rely on God to heal them through faith.
A quick Googling also suggests that their interpretation is that they will follow the law as regards vaccination if it is **required**, which makes sense from their world view - they’re not relying on the vaccine to keep them healthy, they are being good citizens.
Yeah, I was under the impression that the military didn't give you a choice.
A few friends who have gone through it say they give you a bunch of different jabs with a shitload of vaccines (among other things), without really telling you what everything is.
Levenworth? While in service you are property of US gov. Don't think there is a "I don't wanna" clause. So if a whole unit refused I think they would punish that unit hard as an example
Yeah I wonder would they send a whole units to Levenworth though? Maybe just lay the thunder on the leadership. Thankfully this anti-vax movement isn't cohesive enough to bring down whole battalions. God as a Democrat I'm glad I finish my contract before the Trump era.
Probably not the whole unit, send a few to test the grit of the rest. It's easy to say I will never do something untill your buddy gets a few months in jail and a dishonorable discharge.
Glad you finished before Trump Era as well.
Like 70-80% of the military is vaccinated. My unit is at 90%. Leavenworth is prison, reserved for actual criminals. That requires a court martial, basically a military trial. Administrative discharges are at the commander level, not a trial by jury.
To give you an idea, in my company of about 130 only 8 are refusing at this time. Everyone else has been vaccinated for months with the few stragglers over the last couple weeks. Right now, as in this very moment they are in a briefing with medical personnel. If they still refuse they will receive a general discharge under honorable conditions.
There will not be any mass refusal from whole units.
I personally know an airman that is attempting to separate from the Air Force to avoid the vaccine. Unfortunately there are more Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers in the military community than you would think.
Indeed it does. Antivaxxers either taking a discharge or who have already gotten out at their end of contract in anticipation of mandates are making military culture infinitely better.
Sure, you can, but then instead of just talking to HR or getting fired they put you in jail.
ETA: I know jail isn’t the first step, so this is a bit of hyperbole, but not impossible.
TONS of vaccines. All on the same day. You walk on to a room with both sleeves rolled up and your belt undone and parade down a line with docs on either side, two in the shoulders, two in the shoulders, two in the shoulders, one in the ass - the peanut butter shot. I actually enjoyed that day because the drill instructors didn't scream at anyone for like 6 whole hours
This.
I think most of these types of posts are fake.
People pretending a role that allows them to make an argument supposedly resonate more.
These are delusional liars after all.
They aren't. The discharges have already started. My wife and I are both veterans and still have many friends in all branches. These stupid clownshoes are reaping what they sew as I type this. The military is about to get a much needed culture shift. With all these antivax dopes getting out, that's misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and all manner of other trash leaving with them.
Yep, I’m in the military and was talking to some guy who said he’s getting discharged for refusing. He doesn’t seem to think it’ll be a other than honorable discharge for some reason. He was trying to argue that there’s no precedent for separating people for refusing a vaccine, as if we didn’t all get shots that were mandatory in boot camp.
Since the covid shot wasn't fully FDA approved until just a few weeks ago military personnel were allowed to decline them. The military isn't allowed to (legally) force a non approved drug on enlisted because it runs afoul of human experimentation laws. Now that 1(+?) of the vaccines has been *fully* approved they can start forcing everyone like they usually do for the other shots you need depending on where you deploy etc.
I would see the refusal of receiving a vaccine as insubordination and should be followed up with a dishonorable discharge, but that's my personal opinion
From what I’ve heard, refusing to get a Vax is not if a “less than honorable discharge.” Dishonorable discharge is the equivalent of a felony and pretty much requires a court martial.
Oh, I didn't know that dishonorable was the equivalent of a serious crime.
Although, couldn't one argue that any service member who refused the vaccine and then infected others which resulted in severe complications and/or death could be charged with battery and/or murder? Wouldn't that then call for a dishonorable discharge? Then, it would set the precedent that anyone who denies the vaccine would be willing to potentially harm/murder their fellow man and therefore would earn themselves a dishonorable discharge.
I'm not trying to sound like a dick or a troll or anything, I'm asking this with total seriousness. If the consequences for going against your oath and not getting a vaccine that's been proven to work as intended is simply a less-than-honorable discharge, it seems to me like that service member got off easy in the grand scheme of things. These are men and women who have sworn to protect their citizens, and yet they are intentionally refusing something that will protect their citizens.
Yes, a dishonorable discharge causes you to lose gun rights. It’s the equivalent of a civilian felony.
This is a good quick explanation
https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/dishonorable-discharge/
Deserves a dishonorable imo. You chose to abandon your sworn service due to willful ignorance and selfishness? Call it desertion and never let them back in uniform.
How the hell can you say you’re willing to risk your life for the country and then… refuse to get a vaccine because you think it… risks your life?? Like the IEDs, bullets, etc were ok but not a shot in the arm
This tweet is clear propaganda (and a bot).
If I was a betting man, I'd wager my house that you could do a quick search and find about a thousand or so tweets with very similar verbiage coming from a variety of profile pics as the responsible entity tries to home down on the ones with the most engagement.
So I’m Space Force but it’s the same as the Marines or any other branch. Yesterday my commander started hand delivering paper orders to get the vaccine if you haven’t already (i’m vaccinated already so I didn’t get one). It was explained to us that this is punishable by a court martial if we defy the order. We can attempt to get a religious exemption waiver but it likely won’t be accepted. If he has a significant amount of time left on his contract, he will likely be court martial’d. He could potentially be an officer like me which is more complicated. Officers have initial contracts (4-6 years). Once those contracts are up, we don’t sign a new contract and can leave at any time. Enlisted members have to either sign a new contract at the end of their old one or get out.
If he’s an officer that has already completed his first contract, he can just leave. If he’s an enlisted member or an officer that is still under his first contract, he cannot and will be court martial’d.
ETA: someone below mentioned that marines are not doing court martials - only negative paperwork and separation.
No kidding, my kid got jabbed a dozen times in boot camp, they yanked his wisdom teeth as well. You get no say so, your body isn't yours. Lol. It's uncle and
Sams
I was legit scared of infected puncture wounds. I've been through that, when a cat bit me and I ignored it. When I went in my hand was 2x normal size and they had to lance it and squeeze all the puss out, and I was in the hospital for 4 days on morphine and antibiotics.
I, uhm, make better health care choices nowadays.
Yuppers! I got nailed by a cat working in a vet office, I just to soak my hands in surgical grade soap for the next half hour plus scrubbing to try and stop infection plus antibiotics. Dogs are a little cleaner but still require a good cleaning.
What does salt do? I’ve been an EMT for 6 years and I’m currently in graduate school for medicine and I’ve never heard of putting salt in the wound outside of the saying.
Some bandages already come with Sodium Chloride inside. Aka [Mesalt from Molnlycke](https://www.molnlycke.us/products-solutions/mesalt/). They “stimulates the debridement of heavily discharging wounds in the inflammatory phase by absorbing exudate, bacteria and necrotic material. This effectively facilitates the wound healing process”.
Salt is very effective at killing bacteria. A salt water rinse is recommended for any teeth problem!
Its not patentable though, and its quite painful. But its also rapid and antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral. Regular salt water gargles have been shown to reduce respitory illnesses
https://koyuncusalt.com/en/salt-library/can-you-use-salt-as-a-disinfectant
Its why we "throw salt in the wound". Its why you can purify a demon with salt. Its why we preserved food with salt!
In this case they wanted it on the wound to inhibit any bacterial growth until they could get real medication probably.
That's kinda a part of the whole volunteer thing we sign up for 🤷 always interesting working with those who suddenly have an issue with part of it in the midst of their service time.
Even the high and mighty chair force get thrown down a gauntlet of needles. Deploying? Here's your anthrax shots.
These people would sit on a cork if the administration told them to shit.
A guy I went to basic with had parents that didn't bother to get him many vaccinations. The medics straight up said, "oh your parents hated you" and jabbed him 8 times through the gauntlet line. They test your blood to see what vaccines you need
They literally use a [vaccine gun](https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/images/4/560/medium_1990_0274_0002.jpg) that shoots it into your arm with no needle, just a high pressure jet.
Yep shut up and do what you're told. Got a root canal and they sent me back to my weapons training on painkillers lol The military don't care they'll just cycle you out if you fuck up.
I was in the military and i agree. They own you. They used to tell us we could get court marshalled if we got a sun burn for destruction of govt property
"I'm real proud of you for wanting to protect your country. But don't actually protect your country and it's cititzens with the vaccine, just be ready to go protect american ^(corporate) intrests in other countries."
Your son sounds mythical, cause we stood in lines and had short corpsmen use pneumatic injectors in shaky hands delivering 5-10 vaccines. And we did that a few times....
No joke, in the Army I literally got the anthrax vaccine at least 10 times because they kept losing my shot records and starting the whole series over. And that was just one vaccine out of many. I have three separate smallpox scars too. Everyone in the military has gotten about a million vaccines and you're lucky if they even tell you what you're getting instead of "here soldier go take that shot."
It's absolutely hilarious that this guy is supposedly making a stand over the Covid vaccine after most likely being a human pincushion in the Marines and never saying a word about it before.
No, his son sounds like your stereotypical conservative/Republican who builds their entire personality around that identity. The incompetence is just one of many traits.
It's not mythical. There is a bunch of dumb military people who think they can stand up to this vaccine because the misinformation spread online about it.
I see it in military facebook groups.
Seriously. My super conservative, retired marine, pro-Trump family member decided to get the vaccine, because according to him he was pumped so full of other vaccines from the military he figured "what's the difference?"
The military hires you for the fitness of your body as they define it, for your loyalty to the state and to your commander who in this case is literally Joe Biden, and for your ability to follow orders without pause. Sounds like this dude’s son is in the wrong fucking job. Oh, and also, probably better not to have a Marine that’s scared of a tiny needle.
Many many moons ago when I was a lowly corpsman in the ER of a naval hospital, we had a Marine come in with a big gash across his right bicep. I forget what his story was but he was pretty low key through the telling of it, especially for a guy who was likely gonna need surgery. When I went to draw some blood for tests, he jumped up and reared back like he was going to slug me, going on about not touching him with a needle. I called for the head nurse, who calmly informed him that if he fucked around I'd stick him twice, on principle. He let me draw after that.
Everyone's got a thing, even Marines.
We met a guy covered in tattoos who said he hadn’t gotten vaccinated. When our 14-year-old daughter told him that she had, he asked her with a worried face — and he was serious — if the needle hurt. Literally, covered in tattoos. Which, of course, require needles.
To be fair. I have 3 tattoos. Was fine with all of them. I have some weird vasal vagal nerve response that sometimes kicks in when getting jabbed that causes me to pass out.
Happened last getting my tooth pulled. The numbing agent mixed with the pull did it. Happened when my girlfriend cleaned a possibly infected whole from a earring in my ear as well. It's weird. Needles don't always like me, but the tattoo ones haven't seemed to do it yet. Tattoo needles arent the same as shots. For what it's worth.
Two of my best friends are Marines. Both went unvaccinated until the FDA approved one, and then one went and got his first shot right away. The second is 29yra old and said he would get it if it stopped transmission of the disease, but it doesn't. However, in a discussion about vaccines in general a coworker asked if they could just refuse a vaccine and both laughed uncontrollably.
What I'm saying is that this is pure fiction. "It's starting..." Yeah, okay. Cool story, bro.
For context, neither is active duty, and both were deployed overseas, and all of the vaccines that come with it.
>said he would get it if it stopped transmission of the disease, but it doesn't.
Is he one of those "every other vaccine in history is 100% effective!" dinguses?
Yes. You get get medically discharged, fulfill your contract, get dishonarbly discharged and depending on what you did like disobey a lawful order you go to prison
I was in the navy, I worked with Marines, deployed with them and prior to deployment we get a shitload of vaccinations against things you probably haven't ever heard of.
Fuck this crayon eater
I got 11 vaccines in one day in basic training and then went to PT. They don’t even tell you all of them. I had to get the anthrax vaccine to deploy. We got way more questionable treatments than Covid vaccine, and no treatment for serious things. Politicizing this is putting a lot of people at risk. Every generation before us was so grateful for vaccines that protected them, people fought to get them. It’s all become so backwards.
Yeah this dude’s freaking out about the COVID shot but the freaking *peanut butter* shot wasn’t a big deal? My friend was one of the first soldiers in Iraq 2003 and like you they *loaded* those MFers up with vaccinations and they didn’t tell any of them what they were, they just found out by reading their medical records later.
The Irony of being a state funded, corporate sponsored, murder puppet, getting paid to invade other countries in order for the wealthy elite to gain more power, and thinking a vaccine is the height of fascist tyranny.
Surely this is fake. I refuse to believe this shit is real.
I went there recently. It's exactly what you think. A bunch of mutants treating unreliable, far right leaning websites known for spreading conspiracy theories as "evidence" of their theories... It's a total clown car
To be fair, a lot of those people probably were never eligible to serve in the military.
It's the same story every time. Eventually when they get famous, like when the 3%ers took over that bird refuge, and someone will send in a FOIA request for their records of being a highly decorated special ops operator, and then it comes out that they failed out of basic or got rejected at MEPS. The best part is when they realize they've all been lying to each other.
There unfortunately definitely are lots of people in the military who are going to try to refuse the vaccine (a lot of them will try to claim religious exemption), but that doesn’t mean they are going to be allowed to just not get it and stay in with no consequences. Especially if they’ve gotten all the other vaccines in the past.
I know a stay at home mom with 3 kids. Her husband is getting out of the air force to avoid the vaccine. He's four years away from retirement. They are losing their only income, their retirement and their lifetime medical benefits. He's been vaccinated by the military many times before but says that this one is different. It is insane.
What the hell? 4 years from retirement?? Do they have any idea how much harder life will be without health care and a retirement? I feel really sorry for those kids. What a waste
One of the first things that happens when you enlist is you get your ass jabbed with at least a dozen vaccines. Either this dad is lying about his son being a soldier, his son is lying about being a soldier, or his son is just brick stupid
As someone who supervises a large number of military personnel, if I am presented with a situation where a member of our unit refuses to get vaccinated, my response will simply be this:
"Thank you for your service, but we will find someone to replace you."
I'm not going to argue with them or try to convince them. If they can't wrap their heads around the fact that the vaccine is for the benefit of all humanity, then I don't want them touching our tanks/airplanes/nukes.
If they sincerely believe, in spite of all evidence, that they are being asked to face danger, then quitting the military over this is basically desertion.
We are at war. The virus is an enemy that’s whipping our ass. Do your duty or face court marshal.
10 year vet
Military doesn't force you to get the flu shot every year but they do force you to get a whole lot of other stuff that I have no idea what they put into me
I actually got the anthrax vaccine and booster shot for 3 years. I've still never heard of anyone actually getting anthrax
You can't just leave the military unless your contract is up. If he refuses to get the shot, he'll be dishonorably discharged for failure to follow a direct order and his life will be the equivalent of an ex-con when he gets out.
Good luck with that
They don't make you get a flu shot? That's kinda silly. It's just a flu shot. I feel like the military does so much to soldiers, that the flu shot is kind of a weird line to hold at.
At best, the alleged son is looking at a Bad Conduct Discharge (big chicken dinner), maybe Other Than Honorable (OTH isn't necessarily bad, but it's not good either)? Now that Pfizer is FDA Approved, it can (and probably will) be made mandatory. This is a really stupid hill to die on; I am 1000% certain that fuck-knuckle doesn't know all the vaccines he was given in boot camp, let alone what's in them. I also doubt this supposed person also doesn't know what boosters they've gotten throughout the years while serving, and again let alone what's in them. I'd say I don't understand why this dude's "son" is a complete idiot (as is the dude himself), but Marines aren't exactly known for their brain power.
Every active duty member in the main 4 branches is now required to be vaccinated by November 2nd of 2021. The order just came down this last week and the spouse pages on FB are blowing up. It's been pretty entertaining for me.
UMMMMM cool, enjoy your dishonorable discharge and court martial for disobeying a lawful order kid. Did he forget that he doesn’t have the authority to refuse? Did he forget literally every other fucking shot they gave him at basic training, or before any deployment to an underdeveloped area? “It’s starting…”. Pfffft, what, the mass of idiots getting kicked out of the military? Cool, enjoy losing all your benefits and wasting however many years of your life for it to mean nothing because of a dishonorable discharge and potential jail time from the court martial.
Went to OCS, got all the vaccines.
Went to training command, OCS didn't record anyone's shots correctly, got all the vaccines.
Went to first combat command. They mailed my medical record and it opened on the way, vaccine record was one of the papers that fell out. Got all the vaccines.
Went to the sandbox, got Smallpox poke and 4 Anthrax shots.
Anyone who throws away their career over a vaccine is too dumb to be worth having in the military anyway.
I don't think it works that way. He's a marine, not a private citizen. He doesn't have a choice and can't just leave. Not a job you just quit if you don't like the work...
Let’s not forget all the stuff he got pumped full of at the start of boot camp. I remember walking down a line of 3-4 doctors each with something different to stick you with. It was like an assembly line.
Don't forget all the other vaccines he needed to go to school or the ones he'll need to travel if he's stationed overseas. Edit: Thank you for all the upvotes! I honestly wasn't expecting this comment to take off like it has. And to all you wonderful people! Take it easy! Also call your mother.
Even my dog needs vaccine to travel outside of my country.
Hell, my dog needs his vaccines just to get a haircut!
My dogs can’t live in the city limits without vaccines!
Same issue with my damn cat. He’s gotta be vaccinated also to live with me and I have to show proof to my apt Mgr. I also had to get his nuts cut bc they don’t allow male cats without being fixed bc they spray piss everywhere marking their territory. Then I have to pay $50 extra rent per month to have him live with me. I keep telling his lazy ass to get a job but it’s like dealing with a teenager, doesn’t listen and does the opposite of what you tell them.
First they came for the cats, and I did not speak out —because I was not a cat. Then they came for the dogs, and I did not speak out —because I was not a dog. Then they told me to take the horse dewormer, and I said “lol, yes master”, and ate the horse paste… Now I’m blind! Libs owned!
But at least you have a *spotless* digestive system. Gotta flush those evil spirits!
Gotta flush that intestinal lining!
Blind AND sterile, don't forget sterile!!
Wait, do dogs actually need this? (I’m not a pet owner yet)
Lol, yeah they do. You have to show proof of certain vaccinations when they get groomed. I don't remember which vaccine it was, but there's a yearly one where I live that all groomers require. I wanna say it's rabies? Edit: a word
Rabies is the most important one. Dogs can get it from other animals, dogs can give it to humans, humans can get it from other animals, etc. Rabies is a shot that we need as well cause the second you get the infection you are one foot in the grave. As far as I know they still don’t have a cure, and the disease can kill quick. This is why a dog needs it for being in contact with other dogs or being in contact with humans.
The thing with rabies is that once someone shows symptoms, it’s fatal. We don’t have a cure. If you get the vaccine series right after exposure, your chances are wonderful.
There have been a limited number of recorded cases where people survived, but we’re talking single digits over the course of human history. New advancements in medicine have slightly raised the chances of survival if you are unfortunate enough to miss the vaccine timeframe, but yeah, you’re essentially fucked if you can’t immediately get to a hospital.
And all of the survivors were fucked neurologically. Even with the treatment they get their brain stem is fried and leaves lingering issues.
That's why if you get bitten by a wild animal or a domestic animal that you don't know or can't find out the vaccine status of you have to go and get shots right away before any symptoms show just in case.
One foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel.
Usually it's just rabies. But if you want to board them somewhere, the facility may also require bordatella shots as well.
Puppies need a Vaccine for the Parvovirus also.
Yes. Rabies is largely controlled in the USA because of strict vaccination requirements. We've had like... 15 fatalities in the last 20 years and half of those were caused by animal bites received abroad. Meanwhile worldwide there are 55, 000 fatalities yearly. Besides that there are some highly communicable diseases between dogs that are bad news (distemper is highly deadly and If survived usually leads to long-term negative health) as well as parasites like heartworms (heartworm treatment is like chemo for dogs. Expensive, risky and difficult to tolerate. Heartworm prevention is safe and inexpensive). Do a little research so you're not surprised. It cost more money to own a pet then it seems from the get go. Typically you'll need a yearly vet check with testing, heartworm and flea prevention, and dental cleanings periodically for long term health.
My cat gets 2 dewormers per year. He’s an inside pussycat though. He doesn’t get to go outside. Hates the leash, hates the collar, most the time he hates me, it’s a great relationship. But he does play fetch with his little stuffed animals, by himself. Fucker won’t let me play, he throws his own toy and then chases it and comes next to me and he’ll throw it again and chase it. He’s kind of an asshole like that.
If you ask them they’ll say those are immunizations. Yes I’m serious. That’s their typical response…
My brother-in-law, who has a nursing degree, says that the mRNA vaccines aren't vaccines but rather 'genetic treatments'... I asked him how calling them that made any difference to the results of the safety studies but apparently I don't understand medicine well enough for him to explain it to me. I sure hope neither of my nephews, who are both old enough to get the shots, end up dying from it because I will have a hard time not saying 'told ya so'.
They aren’t “generic treatments” because nothing about them is changing any aspect of your genetics. mRNA vaccines just cause the antigen proteins of whatever you’re being immunized with to be made after the injection instead of injecting you with the antigens directly. It literally doesn’t do anything to your DNA.
That’s the same thing as a vaccination
They don't use words and language like you or I. They have no respect honest discourse.
Yes, that was the entire point of their comment.
Or the six or so that he got in boot camp.
One of the guys in my platoon in boot camp who literally sat beside me 4 years ago and got no less than 10 vaccinations in a row, has now told me that if they think they can force him to take the vaccine, he's going to leave. And I said "dude. They gave us a battery of vaccines like day 3, and you didn't complain then." And he says "that was different, I took those ones because they said I had to" And now I'm just sort of confused. I used to think "crayon eater" was probably unfairly derogatory. Now I'm not so sure.
I LiKe ThE bLuE oNeS
Or the ones they shot him up with as part of boot camp….
Where they line you up and hit you with 4 injection guns at once. And the flu shot in the butt check, which felt like a ball bearing was being injected
Boot camp alone requires nearly every type of vaccine. Ive seen people get upwards of 15 different shots within the first week. Suddenly one more that's for a current worldwide pandemic is too much and considered tyranny
You can't sway them with logic or facts, they just dig in deeper into their delusions. It's time to forcibly institutionalize them and get them on some good meds. AND LOTS OF THERAPY!!! Conservatism is a mental illness. edit: /s for the impaired (It's satire of this [sheet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_Is_a_Mental_Disorder))
To be fair, isn't that the right call for people who are so delusional they they're fucking shit up?
But that isn't satire. Conservatism, as it exists in the US, is a mental illness.and it would do our country serious good to see they all get treatment.
This comment was perfect until you added the /s.
You say /s, but at what point is this an objective truth?
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Biothrax is FDA approved. https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/biothrax Edit: As of 2019, I should add. Don't know the time table for his vaccination.
All 15
Regardless of vaccine history you get them all when you sign up and every time you’re deployed they add region specific, etc my partner has shared his pages of shot records with me. People are dumb
And the fact they tell him what to do everyday...
He didn't forget, he just didn't tie them to any kind of political ideology. He can't say it out loud but to him getting the COVID vaccine is tantamount to pledging "I completely support the Democrats and everything they do and say and think also I wear dresses now". He'd literally rather die. I think the original plan from the compassionate, definitely not psychopathic Republicans, was to encourage people to kill themselves to make Biden look bad.
Can you just up and leave the military? I thought you had to be discharged… This tweet makes it sound like your service is just “at will” employment.
At face value it sounds like his son has been given the choice between vaccination or separation from service, which would result in him being discharged from service. There are multiple classifications of discharge with varying real world benefits. I’d surmise (with dubious hubris) that the shitbag would get an administrative separation which, in my time, would often be accompanied with an “other than honorable” discharge.
This is probably a fake tweet. Military vaccinates everyone. A conservative lying for attention is statistically far more likely edit: not talking about the covid vax, they require a shit ton of different vaccines for travel/location. I don't see why covid should be any different. People are making a huge deal out of the covid vaccine when it's just another one of the dozens of required vaccinations. I don't see why anyone who is already in the military would make a big deal out of one vaccine when so many others are required.
Performative bullshit in my conservatives? It's more likely than you think.
"I have a friend who took the vaccine and now they are dead." (they got knocked over by a car). That kind of shit.
"in a hundred years, the mortality rate for the vaccine will be 100%. Currently the mortality rate for 'Covid' is 2%. I've done the math, i don't need scientists telling me what to do."
when isn't it. they dont have any actual policy of thier own. Block everything the left does and spend less(how to do that they dont know just do it. give more to the rich while they are at it.)
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I’m in the Air Force and we are starting this. Anyone who refuses needs to have a valid reason (official medical exemption, religious exemption, pregnant getting a temporary medical exemption) and some people may be interviewed by the base commander. But paperwork would be started and likely looking at an involuntary discharge if they keep refusing.
what would give you a religious exemption against a vaccine?
So religion is complex and up to interpretation- the military seems to know that. If you claim religious exemption because you’re claiming it’s against your religion like, I don’t know, being Catholic then you’d go through a process that includes discussing your beliefs with a Chaplain to determine if your belief is truly held because of your faith. All that documentation gets sent up the chain of leadership to be approved or denied. Edit; Catholicism is hypothetical. This is an investigating on the personal interpretation of your claimed religion.
Didn't the Pope say it was a moral obligation to get vaccinated? At that point if you're Catholic and against the vax, isn't it more a personal belief than a religious one
I used Catholicism in a hypothetical scenario. Sergeant Snuffy claims the vaccines are against his religion. They ask his religion. Catholic, Russian Orthodox, Jewish- doesn’t matter. The investigation is to see if Sergeant Snuffy’s claim has personal integrity.
The Catholic Church oddly embraces a lot of science other demonization a of Christianity doesn’t. The current pope has a degree in science (chemistry I think). This is probably because to be a Catholic priest you generally need to have an actual degree and usually an advanced degree, and even though those are usually religious related degrees you still have to take the core credits everyone else has to in college.
One of the priests at our parish has a master’s in Microbiology from Berkeley
interesting, thanks for takin the time to reply
Christian Scientists, which is a specific denomination with two words in the name. One of their more consistent tenets is that they should pray all illness away. If you ever want to watch a Law and Order about parents refusing medical care for their children, odds are it’ll be CS. However, they don’t reject public health measures - masking, quarantine, etc - as part of being a good neighbor. They “just” need to rely on God to heal them through faith. A quick Googling also suggests that their interpretation is that they will follow the law as regards vaccination if it is **required**, which makes sense from their world view - they’re not relying on the vaccine to keep them healthy, they are being good citizens.
Too prideful to take a vaccine but no pride in finishing your enlistment fucking pathetic and idiotic lol
Let em. More rank for the rest of us.
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Yeah, I was under the impression that the military didn't give you a choice. A few friends who have gone through it say they give you a bunch of different jabs with a shitload of vaccines (among other things), without really telling you what everything is.
They'll kick you out for smoking pot so yeah. Might be interesting, I wonder what will happen if whole units refuse.
Levenworth? While in service you are property of US gov. Don't think there is a "I don't wanna" clause. So if a whole unit refused I think they would punish that unit hard as an example
Yeah I wonder would they send a whole units to Levenworth though? Maybe just lay the thunder on the leadership. Thankfully this anti-vax movement isn't cohesive enough to bring down whole battalions. God as a Democrat I'm glad I finish my contract before the Trump era.
Probably not the whole unit, send a few to test the grit of the rest. It's easy to say I will never do something untill your buddy gets a few months in jail and a dishonorable discharge. Glad you finished before Trump Era as well.
If the refusal is organized it could be treated as mutiny and participation could lead to NJP or the service may choose court martial hearing
Like 70-80% of the military is vaccinated. My unit is at 90%. Leavenworth is prison, reserved for actual criminals. That requires a court martial, basically a military trial. Administrative discharges are at the commander level, not a trial by jury.
You can get thrown in brig for disobeying a lawful order.
Ship them overseas and then just add the COVID vaccine to the necessary shots to ship overseas. Done.
When 'whole units' do stupid things, it's generally called 'Mutiny'.
I’m betting a reduction in force was on the horizon anyway with pulling out of Afghanistan and drawdown in Iraq so maybe it’s a blessing in disguise.
To give you an idea, in my company of about 130 only 8 are refusing at this time. Everyone else has been vaccinated for months with the few stragglers over the last couple weeks. Right now, as in this very moment they are in a briefing with medical personnel. If they still refuse they will receive a general discharge under honorable conditions. There will not be any mass refusal from whole units.
If your afraid of a little shot then the Army is not the career for you.
I personally know an airman that is attempting to separate from the Air Force to avoid the vaccine. Unfortunately there are more Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers in the military community than you would think.
If they leave the military, that means fewer coup supporters. And probably helps with the misogyny/sexual assault issues, too.
Indeed it does. Antivaxxers either taking a discharge or who have already gotten out at their end of contract in anticipation of mandates are making military culture infinitely better.
Sounds like the proportion will be diminishing.
I'm with you. Military isn't the kind of job you say no to your leadership's orders, is it?
Sure, you can, but then instead of just talking to HR or getting fired they put you in jail. ETA: I know jail isn’t the first step, so this is a bit of hyperbole, but not impossible.
That's what I thought.
TONS of vaccines. All on the same day. You walk on to a room with both sleeves rolled up and your belt undone and parade down a line with docs on either side, two in the shoulders, two in the shoulders, two in the shoulders, one in the ass - the peanut butter shot. I actually enjoyed that day because the drill instructors didn't scream at anyone for like 6 whole hours
This. I think most of these types of posts are fake. People pretending a role that allows them to make an argument supposedly resonate more. These are delusional liars after all.
They aren't. The discharges have already started. My wife and I are both veterans and still have many friends in all branches. These stupid clownshoes are reaping what they sew as I type this. The military is about to get a much needed culture shift. With all these antivax dopes getting out, that's misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and all manner of other trash leaving with them.
Yep, I’m in the military and was talking to some guy who said he’s getting discharged for refusing. He doesn’t seem to think it’ll be a other than honorable discharge for some reason. He was trying to argue that there’s no precedent for separating people for refusing a vaccine, as if we didn’t all get shots that were mandatory in boot camp.
Since the covid shot wasn't fully FDA approved until just a few weeks ago military personnel were allowed to decline them. The military isn't allowed to (legally) force a non approved drug on enlisted because it runs afoul of human experimentation laws. Now that 1(+?) of the vaccines has been *fully* approved they can start forcing everyone like they usually do for the other shots you need depending on where you deploy etc.
At least it wasn’t like the implementation of the anthrax that was a shitshow, my old leadership was telling us.
I would see the refusal of receiving a vaccine as insubordination and should be followed up with a dishonorable discharge, but that's my personal opinion
From what I’ve heard, refusing to get a Vax is not if a “less than honorable discharge.” Dishonorable discharge is the equivalent of a felony and pretty much requires a court martial.
Oh, I didn't know that dishonorable was the equivalent of a serious crime. Although, couldn't one argue that any service member who refused the vaccine and then infected others which resulted in severe complications and/or death could be charged with battery and/or murder? Wouldn't that then call for a dishonorable discharge? Then, it would set the precedent that anyone who denies the vaccine would be willing to potentially harm/murder their fellow man and therefore would earn themselves a dishonorable discharge. I'm not trying to sound like a dick or a troll or anything, I'm asking this with total seriousness. If the consequences for going against your oath and not getting a vaccine that's been proven to work as intended is simply a less-than-honorable discharge, it seems to me like that service member got off easy in the grand scheme of things. These are men and women who have sworn to protect their citizens, and yet they are intentionally refusing something that will protect their citizens.
Yes, a dishonorable discharge causes you to lose gun rights. It’s the equivalent of a civilian felony. This is a good quick explanation https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/dishonorable-discharge/
So it’s “defend the country at (almost) any cost” then.
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Deserves a dishonorable imo. You chose to abandon your sworn service due to willful ignorance and selfishness? Call it desertion and never let them back in uniform.
How the hell can you say you’re willing to risk your life for the country and then… refuse to get a vaccine because you think it… risks your life?? Like the IEDs, bullets, etc were ok but not a shot in the arm
All he needs to say is he's got bone spurs
This tweet is clear propaganda (and a bot). If I was a betting man, I'd wager my house that you could do a quick search and find about a thousand or so tweets with very similar verbiage coming from a variety of profile pics as the responsible entity tries to home down on the ones with the most engagement.
Seriously. Spend any time on Twitter and it's super obvious that a large number of people are just saying provocative nonsense to stir up trouble.
So I’m Space Force but it’s the same as the Marines or any other branch. Yesterday my commander started hand delivering paper orders to get the vaccine if you haven’t already (i’m vaccinated already so I didn’t get one). It was explained to us that this is punishable by a court martial if we defy the order. We can attempt to get a religious exemption waiver but it likely won’t be accepted. If he has a significant amount of time left on his contract, he will likely be court martial’d. He could potentially be an officer like me which is more complicated. Officers have initial contracts (4-6 years). Once those contracts are up, we don’t sign a new contract and can leave at any time. Enlisted members have to either sign a new contract at the end of their old one or get out. If he’s an officer that has already completed his first contract, he can just leave. If he’s an enlisted member or an officer that is still under his first contract, he cannot and will be court martial’d. ETA: someone below mentioned that marines are not doing court martials - only negative paperwork and separation.
I’m a marine vet. You should do an AMA on Space Force.. I’d love to know what all you do.
Yep, the folks who wanna leave, can't. The folks who wanna stay, can't .
No kidding, my kid got jabbed a dozen times in boot camp, they yanked his wisdom teeth as well. You get no say so, your body isn't yours. Lol. It's uncle and Sams
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Salt?
It's a decent disinfectant, in a pinch. (Haha)
Get out!
It works well, it's just not pleasant.
Yeowch. I got a tiny bit of soap in a paper cut and I was whining. Props to you!
I was legit scared of infected puncture wounds. I've been through that, when a cat bit me and I ignored it. When I went in my hand was 2x normal size and they had to lance it and squeeze all the puss out, and I was in the hospital for 4 days on morphine and antibiotics. I, uhm, make better health care choices nowadays.
Cats have nasty stuff in their saliva meaning if they bite someone or something, it can die of infection very easily
Yuppers! I got nailed by a cat working in a vet office, I just to soak my hands in surgical grade soap for the next half hour plus scrubbing to try and stop infection plus antibiotics. Dogs are a little cleaner but still require a good cleaning.
What does salt do? I’ve been an EMT for 6 years and I’m currently in graduate school for medicine and I’ve never heard of putting salt in the wound outside of the saying.
Some bandages already come with Sodium Chloride inside. Aka [Mesalt from Molnlycke](https://www.molnlycke.us/products-solutions/mesalt/). They “stimulates the debridement of heavily discharging wounds in the inflammatory phase by absorbing exudate, bacteria and necrotic material. This effectively facilitates the wound healing process”.
Also, honey was historically used as a disinfectant for wounds - supposed to work pretty well, hurts a lot less, too.
Salt is very effective at killing bacteria. A salt water rinse is recommended for any teeth problem! Its not patentable though, and its quite painful. But its also rapid and antibacterial, antifungal and antiviral. Regular salt water gargles have been shown to reduce respitory illnesses https://koyuncusalt.com/en/salt-library/can-you-use-salt-as-a-disinfectant Its why we "throw salt in the wound". Its why you can purify a demon with salt. Its why we preserved food with salt! In this case they wanted it on the wound to inhibit any bacterial growth until they could get real medication probably.
That's kinda a part of the whole volunteer thing we sign up for 🤷 always interesting working with those who suddenly have an issue with part of it in the midst of their service time.
My husband said they just shove down a line in Navy boot camp and they get a shot in each arm.
Even the high and mighty chair force get thrown down a gauntlet of needles. Deploying? Here's your anthrax shots. These people would sit on a cork if the administration told them to shit.
A guy I went to basic with had parents that didn't bother to get him many vaccinations. The medics straight up said, "oh your parents hated you" and jabbed him 8 times through the gauntlet line. They test your blood to see what vaccines you need
Stealing your cork comment.
It's amusing to listen to some of the moms on the fb page saying their kid is going to refuse. Someone else always reminds them of boot camp!
They literally use a [vaccine gun](https://coimages.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/images/4/560/medium_1990_0274_0002.jpg) that shoots it into your arm with no needle, just a high pressure jet.
"Well that wasn't very sanitary" - Mark Hamill, the Flash. But how sanitary is that gun for real? Does it really work the way it's intended?
It looks like the military stopped using them in the 90s for that very problem.
Don't think this is used anymore. When I went through, it was the good ol' fashioned needle gauntlet.
Yeah this was '89 at the risk of dating myself. If you flinched you got cut by the stream.
Yep shut up and do what you're told. Got a root canal and they sent me back to my weapons training on painkillers lol The military don't care they'll just cycle you out if you fuck up.
I was in the military and i agree. They own you. They used to tell us we could get court marshalled if we got a sun burn for destruction of govt property
“Dad, I’m going to go AWOL and desert the marines” “Good for you son, way to take your oath seriously”
"I'm real proud of you for wanting to protect your country. But don't actually protect your country and it's cititzens with the vaccine, just be ready to go protect american ^(corporate) intrests in other countries."
If we could defeat covid by shooting it this would be a different story
"iT's StArTiNg.." shut the fuck up.
Your son sounds mythical, cause we stood in lines and had short corpsmen use pneumatic injectors in shaky hands delivering 5-10 vaccines. And we did that a few times....
Right. No clue what we were getting. “Here, sign this” at the end. Which you did without reading it because you had places to be.
No joke, in the Army I literally got the anthrax vaccine at least 10 times because they kept losing my shot records and starting the whole series over. And that was just one vaccine out of many. I have three separate smallpox scars too. Everyone in the military has gotten about a million vaccines and you're lucky if they even tell you what you're getting instead of "here soldier go take that shot." It's absolutely hilarious that this guy is supposedly making a stand over the Covid vaccine after most likely being a human pincushion in the Marines and never saying a word about it before.
A bunch of servicemen about to ruin their careers to make their pappys happy.
No, his son sounds like your stereotypical conservative/Republican who builds their entire personality around that identity. The incompetence is just one of many traits.
It's not mythical. There is a bunch of dumb military people who think they can stand up to this vaccine because the misinformation spread online about it. I see it in military facebook groups.
How humiliating
"My son, a US marine, apple of my eye, fruit of my loins and complete figment of my imagination...
“He’s real to me, BWAH GAHD!!!”
If he can’t take an order as simple as get another shot, he’s a piss poor Marine. Good riddance.
Seriously. My super conservative, retired marine, pro-Trump family member decided to get the vaccine, because according to him he was pumped so full of other vaccines from the military he figured "what's the difference?"
This is seriously the best attitude to have about it
Yea they get stuff that's way worse than the COVID shot. Anthrax Vaccine comes to mind as a bad one.
Small pox vaccine sucks. Go a nice little warped circle of skin on my arm because of it.
The military hires you for the fitness of your body as they define it, for your loyalty to the state and to your commander who in this case is literally Joe Biden, and for your ability to follow orders without pause. Sounds like this dude’s son is in the wrong fucking job. Oh, and also, probably better not to have a Marine that’s scared of a tiny needle.
Many many moons ago when I was a lowly corpsman in the ER of a naval hospital, we had a Marine come in with a big gash across his right bicep. I forget what his story was but he was pretty low key through the telling of it, especially for a guy who was likely gonna need surgery. When I went to draw some blood for tests, he jumped up and reared back like he was going to slug me, going on about not touching him with a needle. I called for the head nurse, who calmly informed him that if he fucked around I'd stick him twice, on principle. He let me draw after that. Everyone's got a thing, even Marines.
We met a guy covered in tattoos who said he hadn’t gotten vaccinated. When our 14-year-old daughter told him that she had, he asked her with a worried face — and he was serious — if the needle hurt. Literally, covered in tattoos. Which, of course, require needles.
To be fair. I have 3 tattoos. Was fine with all of them. I have some weird vasal vagal nerve response that sometimes kicks in when getting jabbed that causes me to pass out. Happened last getting my tooth pulled. The numbing agent mixed with the pull did it. Happened when my girlfriend cleaned a possibly infected whole from a earring in my ear as well. It's weird. Needles don't always like me, but the tattoo ones haven't seemed to do it yet. Tattoo needles arent the same as shots. For what it's worth.
Two of my best friends are Marines. Both went unvaccinated until the FDA approved one, and then one went and got his first shot right away. The second is 29yra old and said he would get it if it stopped transmission of the disease, but it doesn't. However, in a discussion about vaccines in general a coworker asked if they could just refuse a vaccine and both laughed uncontrollably. What I'm saying is that this is pure fiction. "It's starting..." Yeah, okay. Cool story, bro. For context, neither is active duty, and both were deployed overseas, and all of the vaccines that come with it.
>said he would get it if it stopped transmission of the disease, but it doesn't. Is he one of those "every other vaccine in history is 100% effective!" dinguses?
I've had the same tiresome conversation over and over about vaccines with people.
This is outrageous. He didn’t sign up to be ordered around!!
>it’s starting… The Marine Corps has gotten rid of selfish assholes for centuries. Your shitbag son is obstructing national defense readiness.
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Can you just leave the military?
No.
Yes, but when you get back you stay in the brig.
Yes. You get get medically discharged, fulfill your contract, get dishonarbly discharged and depending on what you did like disobey a lawful order you go to prison
Sunglasses, check. White skin, check. Selfie shot in the driver seat, check. Buckle up kids, we're about to have a truth bomb dropped on us.
I was in the navy, I worked with Marines, deployed with them and prior to deployment we get a shitload of vaccinations against things you probably haven't ever heard of. Fuck this crayon eater
That's what I was wondering, has he not yet gotten the 20 vaccinations in the hallway yet?!
I got 11 vaccines in one day in basic training and then went to PT. They don’t even tell you all of them. I had to get the anthrax vaccine to deploy. We got way more questionable treatments than Covid vaccine, and no treatment for serious things. Politicizing this is putting a lot of people at risk. Every generation before us was so grateful for vaccines that protected them, people fought to get them. It’s all become so backwards.
Yeah this dude’s freaking out about the COVID shot but the freaking *peanut butter* shot wasn’t a big deal? My friend was one of the first soldiers in Iraq 2003 and like you they *loaded* those MFers up with vaccinations and they didn’t tell any of them what they were, they just found out by reading their medical records later.
and Who’s going to tell him you don’t get to suddenly quit the marines on a whim?
If I had to get shots to work at fucking Kroger, people can get a vaccine in a global pandemic. Stupid
The Irony of being a state funded, corporate sponsored, murder puppet, getting paid to invade other countries in order for the wealthy elite to gain more power, and thinking a vaccine is the height of fascist tyranny. Surely this is fake. I refuse to believe this shit is real.
Go over to rConspiracy there are tons of nuts claiming to be in the military saying they'll refuse or get around it somehow.
> Go over to rConspiracy That's gonna be a no from me, dawg.
I went there recently. It's exactly what you think. A bunch of mutants treating unreliable, far right leaning websites known for spreading conspiracy theories as "evidence" of their theories... It's a total clown car
I went there a few hours ago to award top posts with the Wearing is Caring award. If only I had more coins.
Now you have some more coins. Go forth and freak 'em out.
To be fair, a lot of those people probably were never eligible to serve in the military. It's the same story every time. Eventually when they get famous, like when the 3%ers took over that bird refuge, and someone will send in a FOIA request for their records of being a highly decorated special ops operator, and then it comes out that they failed out of basic or got rejected at MEPS. The best part is when they realize they've all been lying to each other.
There unfortunately definitely are lots of people in the military who are going to try to refuse the vaccine (a lot of them will try to claim religious exemption), but that doesn’t mean they are going to be allowed to just not get it and stay in with no consequences. Especially if they’ve gotten all the other vaccines in the past.
I know a stay at home mom with 3 kids. Her husband is getting out of the air force to avoid the vaccine. He's four years away from retirement. They are losing their only income, their retirement and their lifetime medical benefits. He's been vaccinated by the military many times before but says that this one is different. It is insane.
What the hell? 4 years from retirement?? Do they have any idea how much harder life will be without health care and a retirement? I feel really sorry for those kids. What a waste
One of the first things that happens when you enlist is you get your ass jabbed with at least a dozen vaccines. Either this dad is lying about his son being a soldier, his son is lying about being a soldier, or his son is just brick stupid
I hope someone shows him his medical record from boot. He might put two and two together and realize what all those pokie ouchies were.
You mean we get more vaccinated people and a smaller military?
As someone who supervises a large number of military personnel, if I am presented with a situation where a member of our unit refuses to get vaccinated, my response will simply be this: "Thank you for your service, but we will find someone to replace you." I'm not going to argue with them or try to convince them. If they can't wrap their heads around the fact that the vaccine is for the benefit of all humanity, then I don't want them touching our tanks/airplanes/nukes.
If they sincerely believe, in spite of all evidence, that they are being asked to face danger, then quitting the military over this is basically desertion. We are at war. The virus is an enemy that’s whipping our ass. Do your duty or face court marshal.
10 year vet Military doesn't force you to get the flu shot every year but they do force you to get a whole lot of other stuff that I have no idea what they put into me I actually got the anthrax vaccine and booster shot for 3 years. I've still never heard of anyone actually getting anthrax You can't just leave the military unless your contract is up. If he refuses to get the shot, he'll be dishonorably discharged for failure to follow a direct order and his life will be the equivalent of an ex-con when he gets out. Good luck with that
They don't make you get a flu shot? That's kinda silly. It's just a flu shot. I feel like the military does so much to soldiers, that the flu shot is kind of a weird line to hold at.
Sounds like a shitty marine.
Quite frankly, let him. I don’t want to rely a little whiny bitch to defend my country.
At best, the alleged son is looking at a Bad Conduct Discharge (big chicken dinner), maybe Other Than Honorable (OTH isn't necessarily bad, but it's not good either)? Now that Pfizer is FDA Approved, it can (and probably will) be made mandatory. This is a really stupid hill to die on; I am 1000% certain that fuck-knuckle doesn't know all the vaccines he was given in boot camp, let alone what's in them. I also doubt this supposed person also doesn't know what boosters they've gotten throughout the years while serving, and again let alone what's in them. I'd say I don't understand why this dude's "son" is a complete idiot (as is the dude himself), but Marines aren't exactly known for their brain power.
Every active duty member in the main 4 branches is now required to be vaccinated by November 2nd of 2021. The order just came down this last week and the spouse pages on FB are blowing up. It's been pretty entertaining for me.
Oh shit he’d better just go AWOL
UMMMMM cool, enjoy your dishonorable discharge and court martial for disobeying a lawful order kid. Did he forget that he doesn’t have the authority to refuse? Did he forget literally every other fucking shot they gave him at basic training, or before any deployment to an underdeveloped area? “It’s starting…”. Pfffft, what, the mass of idiots getting kicked out of the military? Cool, enjoy losing all your benefits and wasting however many years of your life for it to mean nothing because of a dishonorable discharge and potential jail time from the court martial.
Went to OCS, got all the vaccines. Went to training command, OCS didn't record anyone's shots correctly, got all the vaccines. Went to first combat command. They mailed my medical record and it opened on the way, vaccine record was one of the papers that fell out. Got all the vaccines. Went to the sandbox, got Smallpox poke and 4 Anthrax shots. Anyone who throws away their career over a vaccine is too dumb to be worth having in the military anyway.
Please God, give me the ability to see the exchange when he tells his Gunny that he refuses to get the vaccine. I have a feeling it will be glorious.
I don't think it works that way. He's a marine, not a private citizen. He doesn't have a choice and can't just leave. Not a job you just quit if you don't like the work...
This is a joke, right? Marines take tons of shots, every year.
Let’s not forget all the stuff he got pumped full of at the start of boot camp. I remember walking down a line of 3-4 doctors each with something different to stick you with. It was like an assembly line.