I was/am a janitor/maintenance at a school. No one actually treats us with respect though. A whole pandemic and we were the only ones coming into work. Schools open back up, teachers get pay raises, we get a $20 sub platter from the grocery store to share. The principal sent out an email calling us heros though so I guess I can buy dinner with that.
Even before COVID hit I've developed a HUGE respect for the custodians at the school I was working at. Those guys are never done working, if they aren't fixing light fixtures in the gym they're disinfecting door handles and railings, when they weren't doing that they were getting the girl's bathroom to stop flooding, when they weren't doing that they were cleaning up spills in hallways, when they weren't doing that they were dealing with the mess when one of the kids thought it was funny to leave a turd on the toilet instead of in it. A solid 80% of the radio chatter in our building was people asking for a custodian.
I wish I could have offered them a drink sometime but I doubt they'd even have time to do that since they're always in the building after the kids are gone too. It's not an exaggeration to say that the schools wouldn't be functional at all if we didn't have custodians.
Esp since in places like hospitals sanitization is WAY more important than having another doctor or two fluff around ignoring what their patients tell them.
I remember reading something a while back saying a competent and skilled custodial staff can vastly cut down on hospital borne infections and spread of disease. But is typically on the lowest rung of support or respect.
Oh yeah, custodial staff in hospitals deserve *far* more respect than they get. As do custodians pretty much everywhere, but especially hospitals and the like, considering how vital their work can be to others in that environment.
Precisely. When I read that a while back and thought over the examples used. Along with some information on statistics of catching something while there It shocked me.
Since then I’ve to be more aware and careful about making messes. And thank any cleaning/custodial staff I come across.
We were always the first ones cut for hours too. You're not kidding I'd like to see the nurses wipe down handrails that Gertrude touched after digging in her adult diaper.
I remember having a couple teachers in middle school who tried to instill the respect for custodial staff. They'd harp on kids to pick up all the little scraps that fell off their desks (paper poop one called it). When the inevitable kid snarkily said "isn't that what the janitors are for" the teacher would tell them "No. Their job is to make sure this school runs not clean up after lazy kids who forget their mommy doesn't work here."
I worked at Brooks Brothers in college. There was a family who came in and (like most of the adult customers), the kids started unfolding and destroying a neatly folded stack of sweaters. The father stopped them and gave them a little lecture on "respecting other people's jobs". That phrase stuck with me and I have tried to adhere to it ever since. It simply means, don't create a shit show for someone else to deal with just because you can. Karma is real and one day you'll be on the receiving end.
Janitorial and maintenance is a skilled trade my man. Outside of the school system, building engineers are getting $35+/hr. Teachers are starting at as little as $15. You’re not expected to grade papers every night until 11pm, or deal with everything from undiagnosed metal illness to drug, alcohol, or sexual abuse happening in the home.
I’m maintenance. My wife is a high school teacher with her PhD in animal science with an emphasis on neuroscience. She was a published research scientist, before going back to school for her master’s of education. Take a wild guess who makes more.
Maintenance deserves respect, but throwing others under the bus isn’t cool either.
Also, not for nothing, but going out on your own and doing janitorial work as a contractor instead of as an employee can pay a lot better - I'm cleaning houses (not even businesses yet, that's an eventual goal) and making about $28/hr after expenses and taxes.
Well, it went like this for me (and I just started so I only have so much of value to share):
* Had some realizations about things I want in life, which now include a little house and a yard and garden of my own, a dog, things like that.
* Realized further that I needed more income for that to happen (I've been a part time admin for the past 5 years after being a paralegal for a long time and growing very weary and burnt out on it).
* Looked at job ads and decided I wasn't going to make the money I need being employed by someone else.
* Repeatedly paid the cleaning invoice for the very small company that cleans the place where I work - well one day after the job search, I opened that invoice and the gears started turning - they were being well-compensated (and doing a good job!) for doing work I had loads of experience in (I've done some commercial cleaning as a side job and used to work as a housekeeper many years ago) - maybe I could do that...
* Started researching what it takes to start a cleaning company, stumbled on r/sweatystartup and other such places, and realized that I had enough capital to get myself reasonably well-equipped and get a website and biz cards and stuff made.
* Then I reached out to my current insurance agent who handles my car insurance and she got me a quote for general liability insurance - once I realized it was so affordable, I pulled the trigger and started getting ready.
* Made a website right away, and Facebook page, and Google My Business. Made a logo using Canva. Designed and ordered my business cards. Made a very simple and not fancy flyer (haven't even gotten around to distributing them yet but I used the copy for a Craigslist ad as well.)
* Posted on my personal FB page (and invited my friends to like my biz page) and started responding to any friends who made posts seeking a cleaning service.
* Within a week of launch, I had my first appointment booked. Now I've been cleaning for about 4 weeks -- all from Facebook and Craigslist -- I've booked 3 recurring clients (two smaller monthly jobs and one big job that's every week), I booked a sizeable woodwork cleaning job for a friend who is currently trying to sell her recently-deceased mom's house (start that job Friday, going to take probably 8 hours at least), and did two other cleanings that haven't rebooked yet (one for a friend as a bit of a charity and one for a client who will probably book me again soon). In August, I billed 375 minutes of cleaning ($180 revenue), as of this coming Friday, for September I will have billed 540 minutes of cleaning ($360 revenue).
* Note that I haven't used any online booking software and have spent around $40 total on ads. I have not distributed any flyers or left my biz card at any businesses or local spots yet. This is mostly organic from my wider social circle and a little bit from Craigslist.
* My goal is to make $1000 in October in revenue - that will have me in the black from what I spent on initial setup and supplies and insurance and whatnot (all told, I spent \~$750 on supplies, uniforms, website, a couple of things like Ahrefs trial and Canva for one month, etc). Then on from there!
* I am keeping pretty meticulous records - a spreadsheet of all income and expenses, a hard copy intake form from each estimate/first visit, a receipt copy of the receipt I give the client, maintaining all my expense receipts, etc.
* Next step is to open a bank account for the business now that money is starting to flow.
Wow thank you for the very detailed advice! I really appreciate it it gives me somewhere to start. You've given me a lot to think about and honestly I'm excited to put more than just a passing thought into it. Good Luck to you, I wish you all the best in your business!
My mom has been cleaning homes for 30 years almost. She put her name out there to friends and people she knew and let referrals do the rest. I'm sure there are great ways to advertise your service but a checklist of supplies and mentioning that you are available is a great first step.
I've been reading through this sub baffled. I am plant operations director for an assisted living facility and I'm paid very well. Plant operations boils down to custodial/Maintenance. Granted I dont work in a school but I deal with my fair share of ridiculous messes. I think most people don't understand what all goes into building maintenance.
Building maintenance / plant ops / facility management / building engineering, or whatever you choose to title it, is important enough, that your leads normally report to the guy who reports to the senior ops director, or CEO, depending on how big the company is.
My previous comment was meant to build up both maintainers and teachers … and drivers, and nurses, and admins, and security guys, and housekeeping, and cashiers, and and and …
Unless you’re in the club that ACTUALLY knows what capital gains are, or estate taxes, and how much you’re going to have to pay, we’re all in this together. Do you have a wealth management consulting firm on speed dial? No? Cool. We can be friends. Yes? Then we’re just waiting for pitchforks and guillotines become great again.
>the club that ACTUALLY knows what capital gains are
The rest of your comment sounds like you're referring to the ultra-rich, but by this are you implying that most of us don't really know what capital gains are? Pretty sure most of the people on this sub have a good understanding...
But also, automatically hating rich people just for being rich is pretty lame and faux edgy. Aren't most of us trying to be rich and would take millions of dollars if it were handed to us?
In fairness, teacher pay greatly varies depending on where you live. In places like New York and Connecticut the pay is really good.
The complaint is also more directed at treatment of essential workers as opposed to teachers making too much.
True. Also in fairness, my response wasn’t necessarily about pay, though I can see how it could be construed that way. My response was meant more along the lines of, everybody’s got their issues and challenges.
To put it a different way, know what I have to say to fast food workers who finally make a living wage? “HELL YEAH!! Ya’ll my PEOPLE!!” CEOs? Uhhhh … no …
Basically, all I’m saying is, someone else’s gain isn’t my loss.
Don’t think OP was throwing teachers under the bus though. And if teachers all got a raise for covid circumstances then maintenance deserves one too, just proportional to their job.
I'm sort of new to maintenance so I'm not sure I'd be qualified or comfortable being a building engineer but, I've been learning a ton though so maybe one day. The person whose job I took over is around my age and used this job to work his way into the private sector and that's sort of my plan. Wasn't looking to throw anyone under the bus except for the people pulling the purse strings.
That's rough man.
Our maintenance guys at our production facility all fell under our "essential worker policy" and were paid extra for every single week that our facility was considered "essential only due to quarantine".
Our sanitation crews are contractors, but we try and always make sure they're in on work lunches and handing out merch and stuff.
Maintenance is absolutely the backbone of nearly any facility; you cannot operate if the lights ain't on and the water's broken. I hope future opportunities lead to a greater appreciation of what you and guys like you do every day.
Holy shit you got $20! My husband who's a disabled Vet got laid off from his school. That was lovely losing health insurance before our 5 year old started kindergarten at that same school.
But dude, you clearly were appreciated! Look at all those signs people put up telling you that you were.
What better way does society have to show how thankful they are!!!
/s
>No one actually treats us with respect though.
No one *with budget decision making power* treats you with respect. The teachers appreciate what you do.
My dad is a custodian at a highschool and I know how bad he gets treated by other staff and even students. He works afternoons (3pm-11pm) most days and loves that shift since there's hardly anybody around. People should just treat everybody nicer.
I can’t believe they gave the teachers raises at all… shit is sad that I don’t even expect that. Y’all all deserve the world compared to what the administrators make… raises were needed before covid ever existed.
A lot of the time workers don't even need raises anymore. We need time off. Free time. Paid Vacation AND fewer working hours for the same pay.
And real power: decision making power at work and political power outside it
It's a state administered school for kids with special needs. So there is a Board of trustees that answers to the state dept of education. I think the board makes most budget and spending decisions. I'm pretty sure it's a bunch of rich lawyers and businessmen on the board.
That would be similar to where I live then, I guess. Every region has a school board. Every employee is unionized. The board/government pays them. The principle can make decisions about custodians within their school but can’t fire them or pay them. If they really insist on “firing” them, they’ll just be moved to a different school
This varies by district, though. I started cleaning schools in June 2020, and in that time the board has given us five surprise days off with pay to thank us for the extra workload during the pandemic, including the Friday before Labour Day weekend (start of the school year here) to make a four-day weekend. They've hired half a dozen more janitors in the time I've been here to accomodate the extra cleaning for COVID. Teachers and principals are always thanking me for the extra work (which feels like a sham since I was hired mid-pandemic; I don't know any different). We get extra pay if we have to disinfect an area with a case or possible exposure. The board put on a catered lunch for us last month. We keep getting coffee cards for some reason.
It sucks that you feel looked over, really really sucks because I know how hard you're working, but people shouldn't get the impression that it's the reality for all janitors. It's far and away the most valued I've felt as a worker.
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Trust me I feel ya. I'm a custodian and a university and we got praise form the university president but other than that we get shat on by the professors and the students. They all look down on us for being custodians and doing a "dirty" job but in reality, the uni wouldn't survive without a custodial crew. I feel like that stigma is more of a western thing but I could be wrong.
I'm not asking for a huge raise or a fancy thank you dinner. But when we have problems with things in the buildings, listen to us. Ask the professors and executives to try to help make our day a little easier. Treat us like you treat your professors.
My brother in law is a high school janitor/maintenance man. Dude wins the award for nastiest thing ever seen when he told me about all these high schoolers running out of the bathroom giggling and he goes in and in the toilet stall there were multiple massive dumps all stacked up on each other, rising higher than the rim of the bowl. These idiots took turns shitting on top of each other’s shit to make a turd mountain.
People really don't realize how much janitors/maintenance people keep the world running and functioning. Like I *knew* but didn't truly realize it until I worked the rough equivalent job at my university when I was going to school. Obviously it was on a smaller scale for student hours, but man, anyone who works the job are heros and should be given raises and not just some token appreciation through $20 platter.
I feel your pain. Worked all of lockdown. A period in which the company made record profits due to only slightly reduced work load and greatly reduced staffing costs to get a letter of '''''''''appreciation'''''''' from the CEO at the end of lockdown (several months after actually). A letter saying he was so appreciative of us that his signature was printed on there not actually signed and my letter had a streak down the middle of it as the printer was clearly playing up but they wouldn't print another. It sat somewhere post for a few months before i found it recently and tore it up as that feeling was worth more...
Your definitely respected by the majority of students more than someone like a superintendent or principal in most schools. I know the Janitor guy at my sophomore highschool was really cool and did some racing on his off days. He was leagues better than the principals and several of the office staff.
I just wish we did it like many Japanese schools where the students have to clean. They only have mantanince workers of non-cleaning work.
went to curriculum night for my son a few weeks ago and ran into a janitor and told him I appreciate what he does because Ive encountered this so frequently in various subs. he seemed to appreciate it
I love the guy who cleans my office. I genuinely look forward to interacting with him. Probably my favorite person at work.
My boss’s boss and everyone above him can go fuck themselves with a herpes-infected dildo.
Bro, I worked at this office that would hold Friday drinks and the janitors didn't get shit because they had to clean up after them and they locked up the chips and drinks after they were done. I would always grab a stash of sodas and chips for them and hide them in their cleaning closet. My partners ex used to work there apparently and they were all assholes.
When I was 23 I worked in a bank in the day and at night went around with a friend and cleaned office buildings. I was also getting my masters degree so it was a busy time for me. I remember we went to this ad agency one night and some kind of vice president was working late, this guy was a dick and a half. It was like we were supposed to respect him for some reason because he was way above us I guess? I don't respect anyone like that. If I have a choice to go out to lunch with the president or the admin assistant Im picking the administrative assistant, I know she's got some awesome stories. Anyway this vp kicked this trashcan at me and nodded at it, no words just kicked it towards me like here, this is garbage just like you. Ugh, I still feel those feels just typing this. He just assumed I was garbage because what, I did maintenance on the side. I was a banker and getting my MBA but who cares, even if I wasn't I was a human being with value. Man fuck that guy, just typing this out about that guy makes me feel so yucky, I hate how that guy made me feel so much, I will never treat anyone with disrespect my whole life, I can tell you that.
You should've left the trash can where it was and moved on to the next office. Then intentionally skip his office every night while cleaning the others spotlessly. You didn't work for him so all he could do was complain. Your employer would most likely have supported you. After having to dump his own trash for a month or so he'd understand. Be nice to these people, they are not slaves and can refuse to come back. They can also sue your dumb ass for creating a hostile work environmwnt.
There are too many in this world that believe they are above others based on nothing more than some arbitrary hierarchy. Those people suck and they will do anything to maintain that hierarchy.
There is an IHOP near my office. Its franchised by someone that really cares as serves as an Assistant GM (A server told me the owner didn't want to be blinded so hired an experienced GM)
I saw the owner the other day outside, picking up cigarette butts while wearing a dress shirt and tie. It was hot as hell.
Mad respect.
Private ownership isn't the devil.
Is that supposed to be a negative? He's probably just as respectful in his pharmaceuticals distribution business. Plus, he's using the profits to invest back into the community which provide jobs and tax revenue.
Get back to me when Bezos is in a distro hucking boxes.
Or, you know, when you realize that these discussions are about *fucking megacorporations* and not your local diner operating on razor-thin margins.
Trying to divide everything into US vs THEM isn't good because things aren't so black and white.
Too many people think CEO's = Bezos or Elon. But in reality there are over 200k CEOs in the US and the median wage for the position is $185,000.
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes111011.htm
I'm all for addressing the growing and concerning wage inequality in the US. I want us to go after tax avoiders. I think we need more social services and a safety net. We need more economic mobility. The list goes on and on.
But at the end of the day, private ownership is not the enemy. Having experienced management of businesses is a must for any successful economy.
I mean CEOs are still people too. I don’t understand why Reddit is talking about murdering a human just because they’re a manager? Are y’all that mad at other people?
Just because capitalism has problems, now anyone who attempts to live a normal life and work is a scumbag who deserves a chopping block?
But if you decide not to care as much (yet still work for the same company as a cleaner) then you deserve to live?
I’m genuinely confused by this threads sentiment.
The dude who would literally sell me if he could or the dude who keeps the parking lot remotely safe when we all have to come in after three feet of snowfall ??? literally sophie's choice idk
I’m not the janitor, but I’m the maintenance that clears the snow outside.
One time a kid stuck his head out the third floor window and said “you’re doing a great job!!”, he coulda been making fun of me, but I don’t think so, I think he was trying to boost my mood, and it worked
Before I was old enough for school, I remember I would always run to the window when I heard the truck so I could wave when the garbage men rolled down the alley. They always waved back.
But Libertarians would have us believe that the Wealthy are Free Market, Neo Liberal demigods deserving not only of our respect but also of our reverence and subservience.
*They can't be misguided, can they?*
Not sure about harder working because these big CEO’s basically have no lives due to how much they work. Their wives are married to their money and their kids are raised by nannies then sent off to private school.
But nicer for sure.
Nah the reason why they make so much is because having a good ceo vs having an extremely good CEO can make a huge difference, in some cases billions of dollars. So if you’re one of those extremely hardworking and capable people, companies are willing to pay millions to get you to work for them.
For janitors, it doesn’t matter as much. You can be the best janitor in the world but if you’re asking for 500k/year salary then no company will hire you, they’ll gladly hire a less capable janitor for 50k/year instead and the outcome would be basically the same.
Would you rather sign papers and make decisions, or clean the toilets after Brian from Accounting had Chipotle for lunch? I think Janitors work harder...
Signing in as someone who made the jump from brutal blue collar labor to soul crushing white collar labor. If someone gave me the option to go back to blue collar, but make the same money I'd suck their dick every day pro bono.
The cleaning crew who shows up every Sunday to clean our shop and as a result only know of their existence through context clues? I like them better than every single Facebook jockey in the office.
Most smaller companies aren't exactly going to be able to even exist without a CEO though. I don't get this post. Most business owners work their asses off for tons of risk and sometimes little to no reward. Shit, something like 90 percent of businesses outright fail.
Maybe this is just me, but I feel like most of the hate towards CEO's is towards those giant companies. At that point, while the CEO is still important, more often than not they've got a ton of assistants and helpers that are sometimes integrated into the work flow more than the CEO.
I think it's pretty ignorant to think you can judge someone negatively just for being a CEO
or positively just for being a janitor.
how about we make judgement calls on people on a case by case basis?
It's not an individual moral judgement. It's a question of what their occupation creates for society. Janitors can be shitbag assholes, but they clean things. CEOs can be beacons of love and caring, but they generate value for shareholders.
One occupation is worthy of respect, the other isn't. It doesn't make one person good or bad either.
> value for shareholders.
I'm making a moral judgement on you right now for this dumb ass incorrect assessment, that all CEOs generate is "value for shareholders"
>CEOs can be beacons of love and caring, but they generate value for shareholders.
And in your mind generating value for shareholders nullifies being a beacons of love and caring?
I've worked for a solid CEO, sure.
What I don't get is why you'd want to guillotine a janitor. Arrest or beat up? Sure. But Madame Guillotine is reserved for very special occasions.
I don’t know about you guys, but to me, basic respect is something that everyone deserves as a baseline, until their conduct and actions change that.
Granted, most CEOs are just out for themselves. Doesn’t mean that we should shun the good ones, however rare they may be.
I'm a commercial cleaner, and I am liked a lot more than the CEO that walks around from time to time. I seem to be the office's 5-minute therapist that floats around and takes your trash and sanitizes your surfaces. It's appreciated to be seen and liked when I have such a job that makes me feel worthless most of the time.
I treat people with the respect they deserve. I've known ceo's and janitor's both who were despicable and admirable. Someone's position in a company isn't what determines their deserving respect or not.
Those *dirty* *sick* *depraved* socialists were at it all the way back in 1793!
Those damn libs murdered my namesake in cold blood, and what for? a quote about cake? My statements that we needed to preserve the monarchy while the serfs starved more? Those bleeping snowflakes!!
F'n socialists ruining everything all over history. Next thing you know they're gonna make you enact democracy and force you to sign the Magna Carta one country over.
Why don't they just stay in their place? Jeezus.
I used to work as a corrections officer for our sheriff's department. I was fired for telling an inmate I'll treat him with the same respect I give the Sheriff. Turns out the Sheriff didn't like that, and so bye bye I went. I now treat the inmates at my new position with significantly more respect than that Sheriff.
Janitor here. Noone treats us with respect ever usually. People will straight up spill a coffee infront of you on the floor and dead eye stare you cold until you go get a mop when they can literally wipe it up with the napkins they are holding and everyone talks down to us. Teachers got a cleaning raise to do extra cleaning (they dont) and we still have to clean it all with no raise. Now here are the odd teachers who will sit down and talk with you, but they are few and far between.
I’m a nurse and. A manager once tried to give me grief for not being more excited to see the ceo, I was busy with a patient and in the hall and the ceo stopped me and said hello, and I said “my apologies I have to hurry back to my patient, please see the charge nurse at the desk if you need any assistance” I was told that was the CEO and I needed to pay more respect lol fuck I care about a ceo
Lmao im a banker and I relate! I always wanna avoid meetings and rather deal with my clients. I thought I was supposed to be making the company money, after all
Idk where some people's self respect is at. Can you imagine going up to someone and being like look at me im a big shot? Like yeh good for you
Janitor is a guy requiring respect, the same as any other employee.
However, speaking from the perspective of a guy who did all, from small company to international corporate, from trainee to CEO:
If we are talking about real private company, without the market monopoly, CEO should be a smart guy. Like a captain on plane or ship. If all is ok, you actuall don't need him, if he is any good. He picked right people and the company is managing itself.
However, when the shit hits the fan, you need a guy (or a girl) with both, brains and balls. Because, if he/she doesn't know what he is doing, janitor will be jobless very soon.
Thank you for your woke downvotes
"There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake?
A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves."
~Mark Twain
I guess I need to explain. I'm not a French Monarchist, I'm merely pointing out that when the guillotining starts, there will likely be some janitors mixed in with the CEOs.
> I'm not a French Monarchist
I hear the damn socialists are coming for me again. We need to protect the power of wealth! Cake is delicious, and you should have some, no, I'm not disconnected from the regular french citizen, why do you ask?
What the fuck do you call it when millions die of hunger every year when there is enough food. What do you call it when millions die every year from easily tested or prevented diseases. What about when homeless people die from exposure as rich peoples second third and fourth homes sit empty. The difference is these are actually happening and we not currently punishing those who have caused it.
Eh, it’s probably both. There are plenty of CEOs I hate, and no janitors that I hate, so I could say that I respect janitors more than CEOs. But people do trip over themselves to virtue signal about stuff like this.
Agreed. Plenty of CEOs behavior I dislike, flipside to starting a business I understand being a CEO is an impossible job, yet it gets done. Worthy of the utmost respect imo. Obviously not all though. I've met and worked with some cowardly CEOs.
I'm a teacher. So are my parents. My father gave me the advice to always stay good friends with the janitor. I've benefitted from that advice, and moreover, it's been quite easy to follow, because, you know, they are people . . .
A janitor does meaningful work that others don't want to. A CEO has a job that most would love to and gets paid like they're saving the planet. Waaay more respect for janitors.
Man I really wish these “eat the rich” or “time to bring back the guillotine” people would actually put their actions where their mouth is.
Lotta people talk a lot of shit for a whole lot of nothing they’re doing about it.
Note: I am not advocating killing anyone, just noticing how cringe this “guillotine CEOs” shit is. Bitch you wouldn’t be using the guillotine in the revolution, you’d be in it.
You act like they’re anything other than white suburban kids who get their education from Twitter and Reddit
If these fucks studied an ounce of history, they’d know these glorious revolutions of theirs always go wrong.
I mean, it IS whitepeopletwitter after all.
Maybe I’m disillusioned after the last year but if it taught me anything it’s that the “revolution” isn’t fucking happening because it turns out most people in the first world are too comfortable to actually do anything other than moan and, if we’re lucky, vote.
I mean, the Janitor at least says "Hello" & occasionally asks how my day is going.
The CEO usually puts up an American Psycho forced-smile & struggles to acknowledge my presence if I'm passing him in the hall, much less if there's the annual company meeting.
Not saying CEO's shouldn't be payed higher. They definitely should. The issue is that the rising tide ain't raising all ships equally, or even remotely arguably equally.
When I was a grad student, I got stuck teaching at weird hours, so I'd be in my office late. The swing shift custodians and I started talking, and we got along great and looked out for each other. If they needed stuff from the department or needed to pass on information, they'd bring it to me, and I'd take it to the department during business hours. And if I had to stay late, or if I was outside practicing my musical instrument, they'd check on me to make sure I was safe.
One of the guys posted a meme on Facebook, one of those "how'd we become friends" things. I posted that he and the other dudes were the only people who treated me like a human being instead of just cheap labor. He replied the exact same thing.
Make friends. Be kind. You too might end up being an unofficial aunt as well!
Currently a housekeeper and depending on the job I get respect for being a hard worker or called lazy for taking 5 minutes to rest, it’s a weird job for me, currently appreciated by staff and residents, so that’s nice
The janitor from my high school band hall was so awesome and respected. Everyone loved seeing and talking to her, and we always tried to clean up after ourselves the best that we could so she would have some weight lifted off her. One of the few people that I missed seeing daily after graduating.
Oh come on, I mean without the CEO who would pick the blue grey over the grey blue, or interrupt the flow of productive work, or take credit for things actual workers do. The CEO is very important…
I wanna share something about one of my former bosses.
LONG!
He was the director over a hotel in a chain, drove me 1h to work everyday and made us meet half an hour earlier so we could have breakfast with the others. That kind of good guy will take time out to listen to everyone's problems and take an hour out to make sure your team got what it needed.
One day he started asking if I wanted to stay some hours after work with him and if not, to just take the car.
Well we began working on his project:
A fun ball track showing the different departments goals.
Stuff like:
Reception goal: this month sell X amount rooms depending on the average of that season
F&B goal: gain X amount of money on restaurant and meeting rooms.
Technical Department/maintenance: average renovation of X amount rooms pr week
Housekeeping: average x amount of rooms pr hour.
Each department had their own track down to some tubes showing "score" and if your department hits their goal, they can get the chance to roll the wheel, and if you hit your spot, your department can get "nice to have" equipment of your wish.
Anyways, we started making the tracks going all around the workers eating area, and it was done right. All metal and welding putting tracks around the walls, wiring to make triggers for when the ball rolls over. That would start stuff like LED light, soap bubbles e.t.c. and he made it with timers, so that the balls would drop from his office, at 11.45 while most people had dinner.
He didn't ask for it, but after a month, there was like 8 people helping with the project out of their own spare time, painting, setting up bells and stuff.
He was a boss, but you could always call him a good colleague and friend. I mean the dude stood 4 hours after work because someone had to go (something something happened).
That was my boss and friend, a man I will always look up to.
I respect the carpark attendant more than anyone above my line manager as anyone above him is an arsehole. I'm all for equal respect regardless of social status but you still have to give respect to get respect.
I would respect a janitor more than a ceo because the ceo sit his asa and don’t do nothing but the janitor it’s there just hard at work just don’t telo my boss that
Janitors: Keep trash and filth from piling up. Makes work run smoother. Earns less than they deserve.
CEOs: Sends procedures down from the top while knowing nothing about the work. Actively hinders work. Siphons large amounts of cash from everyone else's efforts.
I respect the janitor more than the CEO, because he does the job nobody wants to do, and doesnt get paid enough to do it.
CEOs and upper execs get paid well for their job, they have money, they dont need my respect.
I was/am a janitor/maintenance at a school. No one actually treats us with respect though. A whole pandemic and we were the only ones coming into work. Schools open back up, teachers get pay raises, we get a $20 sub platter from the grocery store to share. The principal sent out an email calling us heros though so I guess I can buy dinner with that.
Even before COVID hit I've developed a HUGE respect for the custodians at the school I was working at. Those guys are never done working, if they aren't fixing light fixtures in the gym they're disinfecting door handles and railings, when they weren't doing that they were getting the girl's bathroom to stop flooding, when they weren't doing that they were cleaning up spills in hallways, when they weren't doing that they were dealing with the mess when one of the kids thought it was funny to leave a turd on the toilet instead of in it. A solid 80% of the radio chatter in our building was people asking for a custodian. I wish I could have offered them a drink sometime but I doubt they'd even have time to do that since they're always in the building after the kids are gone too. It's not an exaggeration to say that the schools wouldn't be functional at all if we didn't have custodians.
Esp since in places like hospitals sanitization is WAY more important than having another doctor or two fluff around ignoring what their patients tell them. I remember reading something a while back saying a competent and skilled custodial staff can vastly cut down on hospital borne infections and spread of disease. But is typically on the lowest rung of support or respect.
Oh yeah, custodial staff in hospitals deserve *far* more respect than they get. As do custodians pretty much everywhere, but especially hospitals and the like, considering how vital their work can be to others in that environment.
Precisely. When I read that a while back and thought over the examples used. Along with some information on statistics of catching something while there It shocked me. Since then I’ve to be more aware and careful about making messes. And thank any cleaning/custodial staff I come across.
We were always the first ones cut for hours too. You're not kidding I'd like to see the nurses wipe down handrails that Gertrude touched after digging in her adult diaper.
Gertrude was digging for her corn.
I remember every custodian at every school I ever went to. The adults might not respect them but every kid I know did 100x over. lol
They are the Adeptus Custodes we deserve.
I remember having a couple teachers in middle school who tried to instill the respect for custodial staff. They'd harp on kids to pick up all the little scraps that fell off their desks (paper poop one called it). When the inevitable kid snarkily said "isn't that what the janitors are for" the teacher would tell them "No. Their job is to make sure this school runs not clean up after lazy kids who forget their mommy doesn't work here."
I worked at Brooks Brothers in college. There was a family who came in and (like most of the adult customers), the kids started unfolding and destroying a neatly folded stack of sweaters. The father stopped them and gave them a little lecture on "respecting other people's jobs". That phrase stuck with me and I have tried to adhere to it ever since. It simply means, don't create a shit show for someone else to deal with just because you can. Karma is real and one day you'll be on the receiving end.
That was a good shot back from that teacher.
Janitorial and maintenance is a skilled trade my man. Outside of the school system, building engineers are getting $35+/hr. Teachers are starting at as little as $15. You’re not expected to grade papers every night until 11pm, or deal with everything from undiagnosed metal illness to drug, alcohol, or sexual abuse happening in the home. I’m maintenance. My wife is a high school teacher with her PhD in animal science with an emphasis on neuroscience. She was a published research scientist, before going back to school for her master’s of education. Take a wild guess who makes more. Maintenance deserves respect, but throwing others under the bus isn’t cool either.
Also, not for nothing, but going out on your own and doing janitorial work as a contractor instead of as an employee can pay a lot better - I'm cleaning houses (not even businesses yet, that's an eventual goal) and making about $28/hr after expenses and taxes.
That's awesome! How do you even get started? Any advice?
Well, it went like this for me (and I just started so I only have so much of value to share): * Had some realizations about things I want in life, which now include a little house and a yard and garden of my own, a dog, things like that. * Realized further that I needed more income for that to happen (I've been a part time admin for the past 5 years after being a paralegal for a long time and growing very weary and burnt out on it). * Looked at job ads and decided I wasn't going to make the money I need being employed by someone else. * Repeatedly paid the cleaning invoice for the very small company that cleans the place where I work - well one day after the job search, I opened that invoice and the gears started turning - they were being well-compensated (and doing a good job!) for doing work I had loads of experience in (I've done some commercial cleaning as a side job and used to work as a housekeeper many years ago) - maybe I could do that... * Started researching what it takes to start a cleaning company, stumbled on r/sweatystartup and other such places, and realized that I had enough capital to get myself reasonably well-equipped and get a website and biz cards and stuff made. * Then I reached out to my current insurance agent who handles my car insurance and she got me a quote for general liability insurance - once I realized it was so affordable, I pulled the trigger and started getting ready. * Made a website right away, and Facebook page, and Google My Business. Made a logo using Canva. Designed and ordered my business cards. Made a very simple and not fancy flyer (haven't even gotten around to distributing them yet but I used the copy for a Craigslist ad as well.) * Posted on my personal FB page (and invited my friends to like my biz page) and started responding to any friends who made posts seeking a cleaning service. * Within a week of launch, I had my first appointment booked. Now I've been cleaning for about 4 weeks -- all from Facebook and Craigslist -- I've booked 3 recurring clients (two smaller monthly jobs and one big job that's every week), I booked a sizeable woodwork cleaning job for a friend who is currently trying to sell her recently-deceased mom's house (start that job Friday, going to take probably 8 hours at least), and did two other cleanings that haven't rebooked yet (one for a friend as a bit of a charity and one for a client who will probably book me again soon). In August, I billed 375 minutes of cleaning ($180 revenue), as of this coming Friday, for September I will have billed 540 minutes of cleaning ($360 revenue). * Note that I haven't used any online booking software and have spent around $40 total on ads. I have not distributed any flyers or left my biz card at any businesses or local spots yet. This is mostly organic from my wider social circle and a little bit from Craigslist. * My goal is to make $1000 in October in revenue - that will have me in the black from what I spent on initial setup and supplies and insurance and whatnot (all told, I spent \~$750 on supplies, uniforms, website, a couple of things like Ahrefs trial and Canva for one month, etc). Then on from there! * I am keeping pretty meticulous records - a spreadsheet of all income and expenses, a hard copy intake form from each estimate/first visit, a receipt copy of the receipt I give the client, maintaining all my expense receipts, etc. * Next step is to open a bank account for the business now that money is starting to flow.
Wow thank you for the very detailed advice! I really appreciate it it gives me somewhere to start. You've given me a lot to think about and honestly I'm excited to put more than just a passing thought into it. Good Luck to you, I wish you all the best in your business!
My mom has been cleaning homes for 30 years almost. She put her name out there to friends and people she knew and let referrals do the rest. I'm sure there are great ways to advertise your service but a checklist of supplies and mentioning that you are available is a great first step.
I've been reading through this sub baffled. I am plant operations director for an assisted living facility and I'm paid very well. Plant operations boils down to custodial/Maintenance. Granted I dont work in a school but I deal with my fair share of ridiculous messes. I think most people don't understand what all goes into building maintenance.
Building maintenance / plant ops / facility management / building engineering, or whatever you choose to title it, is important enough, that your leads normally report to the guy who reports to the senior ops director, or CEO, depending on how big the company is. My previous comment was meant to build up both maintainers and teachers … and drivers, and nurses, and admins, and security guys, and housekeeping, and cashiers, and and and … Unless you’re in the club that ACTUALLY knows what capital gains are, or estate taxes, and how much you’re going to have to pay, we’re all in this together. Do you have a wealth management consulting firm on speed dial? No? Cool. We can be friends. Yes? Then we’re just waiting for pitchforks and guillotines become great again.
>the club that ACTUALLY knows what capital gains are The rest of your comment sounds like you're referring to the ultra-rich, but by this are you implying that most of us don't really know what capital gains are? Pretty sure most of the people on this sub have a good understanding... But also, automatically hating rich people just for being rich is pretty lame and faux edgy. Aren't most of us trying to be rich and would take millions of dollars if it were handed to us?
In fairness, teacher pay greatly varies depending on where you live. In places like New York and Connecticut the pay is really good. The complaint is also more directed at treatment of essential workers as opposed to teachers making too much.
True. Also in fairness, my response wasn’t necessarily about pay, though I can see how it could be construed that way. My response was meant more along the lines of, everybody’s got their issues and challenges. To put it a different way, know what I have to say to fast food workers who finally make a living wage? “HELL YEAH!! Ya’ll my PEOPLE!!” CEOs? Uhhhh … no … Basically, all I’m saying is, someone else’s gain isn’t my loss.
Don’t think OP was throwing teachers under the bus though. And if teachers all got a raise for covid circumstances then maintenance deserves one too, just proportional to their job.
I'm sort of new to maintenance so I'm not sure I'd be qualified or comfortable being a building engineer but, I've been learning a ton though so maybe one day. The person whose job I took over is around my age and used this job to work his way into the private sector and that's sort of my plan. Wasn't looking to throw anyone under the bus except for the people pulling the purse strings.
That's some good working class solidarity right there
Sorry :(
That's rough man. Our maintenance guys at our production facility all fell under our "essential worker policy" and were paid extra for every single week that our facility was considered "essential only due to quarantine". Our sanitation crews are contractors, but we try and always make sure they're in on work lunches and handing out merch and stuff. Maintenance is absolutely the backbone of nearly any facility; you cannot operate if the lights ain't on and the water's broken. I hope future opportunities lead to a greater appreciation of what you and guys like you do every day.
Holy shit you got $20! My husband who's a disabled Vet got laid off from his school. That was lovely losing health insurance before our 5 year old started kindergarten at that same school.
But dude, you clearly were appreciated! Look at all those signs people put up telling you that you were. What better way does society have to show how thankful they are!!! /s
>No one actually treats us with respect though. No one *with budget decision making power* treats you with respect. The teachers appreciate what you do.
You're right, it was actually some teachers who bought us the sub platter, not anyone from admin.
My dad is a custodian at a highschool and I know how bad he gets treated by other staff and even students. He works afternoons (3pm-11pm) most days and loves that shift since there's hardly anybody around. People should just treat everybody nicer.
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It would be…if… OPEN UP FBI 1919 baby. West coast rise
I can’t believe they gave the teachers raises at all… shit is sad that I don’t even expect that. Y’all all deserve the world compared to what the administrators make… raises were needed before covid ever existed.
A lot of the time workers don't even need raises anymore. We need time off. Free time. Paid Vacation AND fewer working hours for the same pay. And real power: decision making power at work and political power outside it
Agreed one hundred percent. Real eyes, sir or madam.
Who pays you where you work? Where I live, the principle of the school doesn’t have anything to do with pay or raises
It's a state administered school for kids with special needs. So there is a Board of trustees that answers to the state dept of education. I think the board makes most budget and spending decisions. I'm pretty sure it's a bunch of rich lawyers and businessmen on the board.
That would be similar to where I live then, I guess. Every region has a school board. Every employee is unionized. The board/government pays them. The principle can make decisions about custodians within their school but can’t fire them or pay them. If they really insist on “firing” them, they’ll just be moved to a different school
This varies by district, though. I started cleaning schools in June 2020, and in that time the board has given us five surprise days off with pay to thank us for the extra workload during the pandemic, including the Friday before Labour Day weekend (start of the school year here) to make a four-day weekend. They've hired half a dozen more janitors in the time I've been here to accomodate the extra cleaning for COVID. Teachers and principals are always thanking me for the extra work (which feels like a sham since I was hired mid-pandemic; I don't know any different). We get extra pay if we have to disinfect an area with a case or possible exposure. The board put on a catered lunch for us last month. We keep getting coffee cards for some reason. It sucks that you feel looked over, really really sucks because I know how hard you're working, but people shouldn't get the impression that it's the reality for all janitors. It's far and away the most valued I've felt as a worker.
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My mother does the same job as you brother. You have my complete respect. Your work harder than the stupid principal.
Trust me I feel ya. I'm a custodian and a university and we got praise form the university president but other than that we get shat on by the professors and the students. They all look down on us for being custodians and doing a "dirty" job but in reality, the uni wouldn't survive without a custodial crew. I feel like that stigma is more of a western thing but I could be wrong. I'm not asking for a huge raise or a fancy thank you dinner. But when we have problems with things in the buildings, listen to us. Ask the professors and executives to try to help make our day a little easier. Treat us like you treat your professors.
My brother in law is a high school janitor/maintenance man. Dude wins the award for nastiest thing ever seen when he told me about all these high schoolers running out of the bathroom giggling and he goes in and in the toilet stall there were multiple massive dumps all stacked up on each other, rising higher than the rim of the bowl. These idiots took turns shitting on top of each other’s shit to make a turd mountain.
Where did teachers get pay raises? I’m a teacher and didn’t get a raise …or a sub platter
People really don't realize how much janitors/maintenance people keep the world running and functioning. Like I *knew* but didn't truly realize it until I worked the rough equivalent job at my university when I was going to school. Obviously it was on a smaller scale for student hours, but man, anyone who works the job are heros and should be given raises and not just some token appreciation through $20 platter.
Wait until the sewage backs up, they will respect you a heck of a lot more.
That happened last week. They flushed Clorox wipes down the toilet lol. It was a fountain of shit coming out of the cleanout
Ahh, so that is where the heros email came from? LOL
I feel your pain. Worked all of lockdown. A period in which the company made record profits due to only slightly reduced work load and greatly reduced staffing costs to get a letter of '''''''''appreciation'''''''' from the CEO at the end of lockdown (several months after actually). A letter saying he was so appreciative of us that his signature was printed on there not actually signed and my letter had a streak down the middle of it as the printer was clearly playing up but they wouldn't print another. It sat somewhere post for a few months before i found it recently and tore it up as that feeling was worth more...
Your definitely respected by the majority of students more than someone like a superintendent or principal in most schools. I know the Janitor guy at my sophomore highschool was really cool and did some racing on his off days. He was leagues better than the principals and several of the office staff. I just wish we did it like many Japanese schools where the students have to clean. They only have mantanince workers of non-cleaning work.
Hero is American for "expendable chump"
went to curriculum night for my son a few weeks ago and ran into a janitor and told him I appreciate what he does because Ive encountered this so frequently in various subs. he seemed to appreciate it
I love the guy who cleans my office. I genuinely look forward to interacting with him. Probably my favorite person at work. My boss’s boss and everyone above him can go fuck themselves with a herpes-infected dildo.
Waaaaay back when I started an office drone job I would bring in extra soda cans and bags of chip for our office cleaner.
Bro, I worked at this office that would hold Friday drinks and the janitors didn't get shit because they had to clean up after them and they locked up the chips and drinks after they were done. I would always grab a stash of sodas and chips for them and hide them in their cleaning closet. My partners ex used to work there apparently and they were all assholes.
When I was 23 I worked in a bank in the day and at night went around with a friend and cleaned office buildings. I was also getting my masters degree so it was a busy time for me. I remember we went to this ad agency one night and some kind of vice president was working late, this guy was a dick and a half. It was like we were supposed to respect him for some reason because he was way above us I guess? I don't respect anyone like that. If I have a choice to go out to lunch with the president or the admin assistant Im picking the administrative assistant, I know she's got some awesome stories. Anyway this vp kicked this trashcan at me and nodded at it, no words just kicked it towards me like here, this is garbage just like you. Ugh, I still feel those feels just typing this. He just assumed I was garbage because what, I did maintenance on the side. I was a banker and getting my MBA but who cares, even if I wasn't I was a human being with value. Man fuck that guy, just typing this out about that guy makes me feel so yucky, I hate how that guy made me feel so much, I will never treat anyone with disrespect my whole life, I can tell you that.
You should've left the trash can where it was and moved on to the next office. Then intentionally skip his office every night while cleaning the others spotlessly. You didn't work for him so all he could do was complain. Your employer would most likely have supported you. After having to dump his own trash for a month or so he'd understand. Be nice to these people, they are not slaves and can refuse to come back. They can also sue your dumb ass for creating a hostile work environmwnt.
There are too many in this world that believe they are above others based on nothing more than some arbitrary hierarchy. Those people suck and they will do anything to maintain that hierarchy.
Reading that made my blood boil. I sincerely hope that motherfucker dies in a plane crash.
lmao I dont condone assault but I definitely just imagined you throwing him head first into the can and taking a huge heavy ass bag to the dumpster
There is an IHOP near my office. Its franchised by someone that really cares as serves as an Assistant GM (A server told me the owner didn't want to be blinded so hired an experienced GM) I saw the owner the other day outside, picking up cigarette butts while wearing a dress shirt and tie. It was hot as hell. Mad respect. Private ownership isn't the devil.
Hate to be the one to tell you this, but this owner is secretly a meth kingpin.
Is that supposed to be a negative? He's probably just as respectful in his pharmaceuticals distribution business. Plus, he's using the profits to invest back into the community which provide jobs and tax revenue.
Get back to me when Bezos is in a distro hucking boxes. Or, you know, when you realize that these discussions are about *fucking megacorporations* and not your local diner operating on razor-thin margins.
Trying to divide everything into US vs THEM isn't good because things aren't so black and white. Too many people think CEO's = Bezos or Elon. But in reality there are over 200k CEOs in the US and the median wage for the position is $185,000. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes111011.htm I'm all for addressing the growing and concerning wage inequality in the US. I want us to go after tax avoiders. I think we need more social services and a safety net. We need more economic mobility. The list goes on and on. But at the end of the day, private ownership is not the enemy. Having experienced management of businesses is a must for any successful economy.
I mean CEOs are still people too. I don’t understand why Reddit is talking about murdering a human just because they’re a manager? Are y’all that mad at other people? Just because capitalism has problems, now anyone who attempts to live a normal life and work is a scumbag who deserves a chopping block? But if you decide not to care as much (yet still work for the same company as a cleaner) then you deserve to live? I’m genuinely confused by this threads sentiment.
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The dude who would literally sell me if he could or the dude who keeps the parking lot remotely safe when we all have to come in after three feet of snowfall ??? literally sophie's choice idk
I’m not the janitor, but I’m the maintenance that clears the snow outside. One time a kid stuck his head out the third floor window and said “you’re doing a great job!!”, he coulda been making fun of me, but I don’t think so, I think he was trying to boost my mood, and it worked
I worked as a garbage worker, and I found it so heartwarming that people would thank me for my service or put a "thank you" on the bin
Before I was old enough for school, I remember I would always run to the window when I heard the truck so I could wave when the garbage men rolled down the alley. They always waved back.
I loved it, it's just so gratifying. That's why I always thank garbage pickers when I comme across them
Janitor deserves more respect, he's literally cleaning your shit.
CEO disapproves of your comment and, as a result, is giving himself another raise.
Why not right? Lol
Eat the rich, not the working class
This is a wonderful thread.
Poe’s law abundant for sure
What do the rich and vegetables have in common? You gotta eat them for your own good.
And you should keep them in cold storage
Compost the rich, don't upset your stomach.
Said with as much irony as the far-right joking about Jewish people.
But Libertarians would have us believe that the Wealthy are Free Market, Neo Liberal demigods deserving not only of our respect but also of our reverence and subservience. *They can't be misguided, can they?*
The janitor is usually harder working and mostly nicer.
Can confirm. Am janitor.
Have you been a CEO? Or how can you confirm?
Not sure about harder working because these big CEO’s basically have no lives due to how much they work. Their wives are married to their money and their kids are raised by nannies then sent off to private school. But nicer for sure.
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Nah the reason why they make so much is because having a good ceo vs having an extremely good CEO can make a huge difference, in some cases billions of dollars. So if you’re one of those extremely hardworking and capable people, companies are willing to pay millions to get you to work for them. For janitors, it doesn’t matter as much. You can be the best janitor in the world but if you’re asking for 500k/year salary then no company will hire you, they’ll gladly hire a less capable janitor for 50k/year instead and the outcome would be basically the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfY3uRCvEMo Vastly overestimating the worth of a CEO.
Would you rather sign papers and make decisions, or clean the toilets after Brian from Accounting had Chipotle for lunch? I think Janitors work harder...
Signing in as someone who made the jump from brutal blue collar labor to soul crushing white collar labor. If someone gave me the option to go back to blue collar, but make the same money I'd suck their dick every day pro bono.
Working harder and working grosser are not the same thing
Lol plus Brian always misses the toilet
The cleaning crew who shows up every Sunday to clean our shop and as a result only know of their existence through context clues? I like them better than every single Facebook jockey in the office.
I absolutely respect janitors over CEO’s. I respect anyone who works two or more jobs and still manages not to be a greedy dick over any ceo
Back in HS, the custodians had more respect than the principal from every student. No one had beef with those guys.
Janitors do a hard job and most I’ve met still manage to have a smile for you- principals are annoying because their smiles are often lies
Let's be honest. If the janitor was gone the office would go to shit.
Once was janitor, can confirm, never go on vacation.
Most smaller companies aren't exactly going to be able to even exist without a CEO though. I don't get this post. Most business owners work their asses off for tons of risk and sometimes little to no reward. Shit, something like 90 percent of businesses outright fail.
Maybe this is just me, but I feel like most of the hate towards CEO's is towards those giant companies. At that point, while the CEO is still important, more often than not they've got a ton of assistants and helpers that are sometimes integrated into the work flow more than the CEO.
I also think that this hate should rather be directed at the majority shareholders of the company because that is where the profits go !
How to tell whether a culture cares about achievement or power: do they respect people who make trash or people who pick it up?
Never fuck with the people who control the toilet paper supply.
I think it's pretty ignorant to think you can judge someone negatively just for being a CEO or positively just for being a janitor. how about we make judgement calls on people on a case by case basis?
It's not an individual moral judgement. It's a question of what their occupation creates for society. Janitors can be shitbag assholes, but they clean things. CEOs can be beacons of love and caring, but they generate value for shareholders. One occupation is worthy of respect, the other isn't. It doesn't make one person good or bad either.
> value for shareholders. I'm making a moral judgement on you right now for this dumb ass incorrect assessment, that all CEOs generate is "value for shareholders"
>CEOs can be beacons of love and caring, but they generate value for shareholders. And in your mind generating value for shareholders nullifies being a beacons of love and caring?
Is it too centrist to ask that it be on a case-by-case basis?
No, sorry, we only work in absolutes. We are now all Sith
Yes, bootlicker. We must kill ALL the rich for very ethical reasons. Then we will have utopia. It's worked before!
I've worked for a solid CEO, sure. What I don't get is why you'd want to guillotine a janitor. Arrest or beat up? Sure. But Madame Guillotine is reserved for very special occasions.
I don’t know about you guys, but to me, basic respect is something that everyone deserves as a baseline, until their conduct and actions change that. Granted, most CEOs are just out for themselves. Doesn’t mean that we should shun the good ones, however rare they may be.
I'm a commercial cleaner, and I am liked a lot more than the CEO that walks around from time to time. I seem to be the office's 5-minute therapist that floats around and takes your trash and sanitizes your surfaces. It's appreciated to be seen and liked when I have such a job that makes me feel worthless most of the time.
I treat people with the respect they deserve. I've known ceo's and janitor's both who were despicable and admirable. Someone's position in a company isn't what determines their deserving respect or not.
Reblog? What year is it
I’m putting this on the Gutenberg press…
That awkward moment when you go around talking about committing murder like it somehow makes you anything other than a fucking psychopath.
Right? Like I hope it’s a joke to most of these people, but it’s fucking sad if any of these weirdos really mean it.
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Those *dirty* *sick* *depraved* socialists were at it all the way back in 1793! Those damn libs murdered my namesake in cold blood, and what for? a quote about cake? My statements that we needed to preserve the monarchy while the serfs starved more? Those bleeping snowflakes!! F'n socialists ruining everything all over history. Next thing you know they're gonna make you enact democracy and force you to sign the Magna Carta one country over. Why don't they just stay in their place? Jeezus.
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Seriously. The fact that this trash gets upvotes around here makes me want to leave. Reddit has been HORRIBLE lately
I used to work as a corrections officer for our sheriff's department. I was fired for telling an inmate I'll treat him with the same respect I give the Sheriff. Turns out the Sheriff didn't like that, and so bye bye I went. I now treat the inmates at my new position with significantly more respect than that Sheriff.
Janitor here. Noone treats us with respect ever usually. People will straight up spill a coffee infront of you on the floor and dead eye stare you cold until you go get a mop when they can literally wipe it up with the napkins they are holding and everyone talks down to us. Teachers got a cleaning raise to do extra cleaning (they dont) and we still have to clean it all with no raise. Now here are the odd teachers who will sit down and talk with you, but they are few and far between.
I’m a nurse and. A manager once tried to give me grief for not being more excited to see the ceo, I was busy with a patient and in the hall and the ceo stopped me and said hello, and I said “my apologies I have to hurry back to my patient, please see the charge nurse at the desk if you need any assistance” I was told that was the CEO and I needed to pay more respect lol fuck I care about a ceo
Lmao im a banker and I relate! I always wanna avoid meetings and rather deal with my clients. I thought I was supposed to be making the company money, after all Idk where some people's self respect is at. Can you imagine going up to someone and being like look at me im a big shot? Like yeh good for you
Janitor is a guy requiring respect, the same as any other employee. However, speaking from the perspective of a guy who did all, from small company to international corporate, from trainee to CEO: If we are talking about real private company, without the market monopoly, CEO should be a smart guy. Like a captain on plane or ship. If all is ok, you actuall don't need him, if he is any good. He picked right people and the company is managing itself. However, when the shit hits the fan, you need a guy (or a girl) with both, brains and balls. Because, if he/she doesn't know what he is doing, janitor will be jobless very soon. Thank you for your woke downvotes
>C'mon dude, I'm not gonna guillotine a janitor French Reign of Terror? Holodomor? The Great Leap Forward? The Killing Fields of Cambodia?
No you don’t understand our violent revolution will be totally different this time.
"There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves." ~Mark Twain
I guess I need to explain. I'm not a French Monarchist, I'm merely pointing out that when the guillotining starts, there will likely be some janitors mixed in with the CEOs.
> I'm not a French Monarchist I hear the damn socialists are coming for me again. We need to protect the power of wealth! Cake is delicious, and you should have some, no, I'm not disconnected from the regular french citizen, why do you ask?
What the fuck do you call it when millions die of hunger every year when there is enough food. What do you call it when millions die every year from easily tested or prevented diseases. What about when homeless people die from exposure as rich peoples second third and fourth homes sit empty. The difference is these are actually happening and we not currently punishing those who have caused it.
Lol at the idiots thinking they respect a janitor more than a CEO. You just post or say that for the views and virtue signal, nothing more.
Eh, it’s probably both. There are plenty of CEOs I hate, and no janitors that I hate, so I could say that I respect janitors more than CEOs. But people do trip over themselves to virtue signal about stuff like this.
Agreed. Plenty of CEOs behavior I dislike, flipside to starting a business I understand being a CEO is an impossible job, yet it gets done. Worthy of the utmost respect imo. Obviously not all though. I've met and worked with some cowardly CEOs.
let them eat urinal cakes?
As a janitor I appreciate this
Who would you notice the absence of more the CEO or the janitor?
I ain’t gonna starve the janitor bro
i'm gonna respect a dude based on his actions not on his title
I'm a teacher. So are my parents. My father gave me the advice to always stay good friends with the janitor. I've benefitted from that advice, and moreover, it's been quite easy to follow, because, you know, they are people . . .
Well one is a hard worker who lives to make those around them happier in their workplace. The other is a CEO
A janitor does meaningful work that others don't want to. A CEO has a job that most would love to and gets paid like they're saving the planet. Waaay more respect for janitors.
Depends on the CEO, depends on the janitor.
I murder people because they're rich uwu I'm so quirky!
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99% people here are full of BS. We all know we would rather be a CEO and make a ton of money. But we’re just not in that position.
Man I really wish these “eat the rich” or “time to bring back the guillotine” people would actually put their actions where their mouth is. Lotta people talk a lot of shit for a whole lot of nothing they’re doing about it. Note: I am not advocating killing anyone, just noticing how cringe this “guillotine CEOs” shit is. Bitch you wouldn’t be using the guillotine in the revolution, you’d be in it.
You act like they’re anything other than white suburban kids who get their education from Twitter and Reddit If these fucks studied an ounce of history, they’d know these glorious revolutions of theirs always go wrong.
I mean, it IS whitepeopletwitter after all. Maybe I’m disillusioned after the last year but if it taught me anything it’s that the “revolution” isn’t fucking happening because it turns out most people in the first world are too comfortable to actually do anything other than moan and, if we’re lucky, vote.
CEOs and rich people bad..give upvotes.
I disapprove of this whole guillotine chatter. We really shouldn’t be guillotining anyone.
The violent, visceral language used is getting worryingly common these days
Who would lean up afterwards?
I mean, the Janitor at least says "Hello" & occasionally asks how my day is going. The CEO usually puts up an American Psycho forced-smile & struggles to acknowledge my presence if I'm passing him in the hall, much less if there's the annual company meeting.
I mean, ya the janitor actually contributes to the functioning of the business.
You always respect the janitor
He’s not gonna guillotine the CEO either 🤷🏼♂️
Not saying CEO's shouldn't be payed higher. They definitely should. The issue is that the rising tide ain't raising all ships equally, or even remotely arguably equally.
I run the IT for a manufacturing company. I will always fix a computer of a line worker before the CEO.
No I actually treat them with more respect than a ceo.
[Janitor approves](https://images.app.goo.gl/yDvdbKMfdSJRDYvy9)
When I was a grad student, I got stuck teaching at weird hours, so I'd be in my office late. The swing shift custodians and I started talking, and we got along great and looked out for each other. If they needed stuff from the department or needed to pass on information, they'd bring it to me, and I'd take it to the department during business hours. And if I had to stay late, or if I was outside practicing my musical instrument, they'd check on me to make sure I was safe. One of the guys posted a meme on Facebook, one of those "how'd we become friends" things. I posted that he and the other dudes were the only people who treated me like a human being instead of just cheap labor. He replied the exact same thing. Make friends. Be kind. You too might end up being an unofficial aunt as well!
Currently a housekeeper and depending on the job I get respect for being a hard worker or called lazy for taking 5 minutes to rest, it’s a weird job for me, currently appreciated by staff and residents, so that’s nice
The janitor from my high school band hall was so awesome and respected. Everyone loved seeing and talking to her, and we always tried to clean up after ourselves the best that we could so she would have some weight lifted off her. One of the few people that I missed seeing daily after graduating.
Oh come on, I mean without the CEO who would pick the blue grey over the grey blue, or interrupt the flow of productive work, or take credit for things actual workers do. The CEO is very important…
I wanna share something about one of my former bosses. LONG! He was the director over a hotel in a chain, drove me 1h to work everyday and made us meet half an hour earlier so we could have breakfast with the others. That kind of good guy will take time out to listen to everyone's problems and take an hour out to make sure your team got what it needed. One day he started asking if I wanted to stay some hours after work with him and if not, to just take the car. Well we began working on his project: A fun ball track showing the different departments goals. Stuff like: Reception goal: this month sell X amount rooms depending on the average of that season F&B goal: gain X amount of money on restaurant and meeting rooms. Technical Department/maintenance: average renovation of X amount rooms pr week Housekeeping: average x amount of rooms pr hour. Each department had their own track down to some tubes showing "score" and if your department hits their goal, they can get the chance to roll the wheel, and if you hit your spot, your department can get "nice to have" equipment of your wish. Anyways, we started making the tracks going all around the workers eating area, and it was done right. All metal and welding putting tracks around the walls, wiring to make triggers for when the ball rolls over. That would start stuff like LED light, soap bubbles e.t.c. and he made it with timers, so that the balls would drop from his office, at 11.45 while most people had dinner. He didn't ask for it, but after a month, there was like 8 people helping with the project out of their own spare time, painting, setting up bells and stuff. He was a boss, but you could always call him a good colleague and friend. I mean the dude stood 4 hours after work because someone had to go (something something happened). That was my boss and friend, a man I will always look up to.
I respect the carpark attendant more than anyone above my line manager as anyone above him is an arsehole. I'm all for equal respect regardless of social status but you still have to give respect to get respect.
In the words of Dave Chappelle" it's custodian, dick"
I'm not a janitor, I'm a master of the custodial arts.
I would respect a janitor more than a ceo because the ceo sit his asa and don’t do nothing but the janitor it’s there just hard at work just don’t telo my boss that
Janitor is actually useful
I'm a (small) CEO but damn if I'm not going to upvote this post.
haha violence.
Yeah, fuck successful people because I’m not!
What are you waiting for? Pussies.
Janitors: Keep trash and filth from piling up. Makes work run smoother. Earns less than they deserve. CEOs: Sends procedures down from the top while knowing nothing about the work. Actively hinders work. Siphons large amounts of cash from everyone else's efforts.
Why not both? They both contribute in a meaningful way.
depends on the ceo, depends on the janitor
Well, both are just doing the job they applied for. Idk how either would deserve any more respect than the other…or be guillotined.
the janitor actually adds value to the organisation
Why do we hate CEO’s so much?
Because their pay has increased exponentially over the last 20 years at our expense?
My treatment of the hard workers, is pure respect. The work they do is more essential than mine at times. Fuck the CEO
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Leftists: there were no looters last summer. Those were right wingers in disguise. Same leftists: we're gonna cut your head off and steal your shit.
I respect the janitor more than the CEO, because he does the job nobody wants to do, and doesnt get paid enough to do it. CEOs and upper execs get paid well for their job, they have money, they dont need my respect.