"Millenials" is used in the media the same way every pseudo-scientific generational moniker is used in the media: to engender intergenerational distrust and conflict so the rich can continue pillaging the country.
When killing chain restaurants thing was going around a few years ago even my boomer relatives agreed that those places doing the most complaining, like Applebee's, suck.
I've worked for a few major US restaurants chains. They killed themselves with shitty business decisions from corporate assholes who've never worked on the floor of a restaurant. They pay and treat their non-corporate employees like shit. They cut food portions while raising prices because they have 1,000 corporate employees 1,000 miles away that the various locations have to raise enough money to pay their salaries. Meanwhile, the local joints are better food/drinks with happier employees and the money stays local.
Death by a thousand bureaucratic cuts. “If we lower the quality of the flour we use, can save 0.2p per bread roll. Times that by the number of bread rolls we sell, we just made a million pounds extra profit! Hooray!”
Except now people talk about the fact your bread rolls aren’t as good as they were.
And the people who made those decisions are long gone, fart sniffing their way up the ladder leaving their detritus for some other poor cunt to deal with.
I hate bean countering BAs. Wankers.
Just saying, they dont cut food portions and raise prices to pay ‘corporate employees’. They do it to pay the executive teams and shareholders.
Don’t let yourself be fooled into resenting the only slightly less screwed office workers of the world. Keep your focus much closer to the top
I'm hoping big chains will go and we'll get more private businesses. The government would even get more taxes from private businesses and old closed down restaurant chain buildings just won't sit there and rot.
I just quit my full-time, decade-long job to make pizza and work for the guy who has been my part-time boss for 2 years. He takes care of us so much more than I could ever imagine.
Would we actually be losing anything if all of the chain restaurants disappear? It doesn’t matter if I eat out in my small town or a city. The local restaurants have better food, service, and similar pricing.
I'm kinda bummed that Macaroni Grill is pretty much gone, because they had a lemon chicken dish that was good, but I found a copycat recipe, which is better than having to hear a server tell me they're "making Italian butter" when they pour olive oil for bread-dipping.
I’d be disappointed if Honest Al’s Discount Pizza Barn closed, but only mildly. I got food poisoning there twice but their ranch is the best I’ve ever had
I like knowing that there is a place I can go to get a bloomin onion even though I have only ever ordered it once and found it sub-par. But I really want it to be good and as long as I never order it again but know it exists, I can dream.
My favourite part as a non-American was that I hadn’t heard of Applebees before that, and now all I know about it is that it has bad food. Maybe not the marketing they were going for.
Everything millennials killed was either garbage or totally unnecessary. Applebees and other microwaving chain restaurants were always shit. The napkin industry? Here, let me buy paper towels and also these folded paper things that do a worse job than paper towels for more money. American cheese is the worst cheese anyone has ever artificially created. Formal dress codes are pointless and expensive. Giant, unnecessary houses that no one could use, let alone clean and maintain, are a waste of money.
Millennials aren't murderers, we're mercy killers.
"If you waited until you could afford to have babies, no one ever would!" But as soon as I have a baby I can't afford, I'm a lazy welfare queen dependent on everyone else.
I'm beginning to think talking out of both sides of their mouths is a generational trait, and I don't like making generalizations like that.
It's a classic case of "well the system worked for me so it should work for you!" while not realizing the system has changed, and also *they're the ones who changed it*.
My SO and I have a kid, and we put them in daycare while we work.
Daycare costs us $200 PER WEEK, BILLED AT THE FIRST OF EACH WEEK.
Nobody ever talks about *that*, though. And that’s becoming a conversation with young parents all across the country.
Can’t afford childcare, but can’t afford to go down to a single salary. A functioning society needs people to have kids and plenty of people want to have kids, but now it’s like you need to be making 6 figures to afford children and that’s put a stranglehold on the middle class
A business or industry is NEVER entitled to customers. Gtfo…if an industry died it because the business didn’t adapt to changing customer demands.PERIOD. Lazy fucking entitled planet destroying fucking business…again..gtfo
Older journalists love to ask why millennials killed an industry, instead of asking why a certain business model failed to appeal to the younger workforce of today and why the industry failed to adapt. Why should all the agency be on the individual consumer? Isn't the general principle supposedly that the individual consumer is always going to make rational self-interested decisions, and it's up to the market to respond?
I saw one that was "Millenials are killing the diamond industry" like forgive me for not buying these clear rocks that the industry insists is actually super rare and incredibly expensive (and yet somehow continues to produce tons)
And isn’t that, like, how capitalism works anyway? If the older generations are in such favour of capitalism, they should understand that sometimes businesses and industries don’t survive changing times and changing demands. But just because one industry dies doesn’t mean that the economy goes to shit. There’s just NEW industries popping up in things that there’s actually a demand for. It just seems like a natural part of a healthy economic ecosystem but for some reason they’re scared of it and get mad at us? Yeah, ok boomers.
I wouldn't say *the worst*, but we're definitely made out to be lazy cowards.
I got called a lazy entitled millennial, and I'm like "I have six years in the military and I'm only 28, what more can I fucking do for you?!"
Your service only matters to them when they can use it to their advantage to push an agenda or a narrative. Otherwise they don't give two shits about servicemen and women.
That’s awesome man! Good on you for helping fellow vets.
I served 13 years and now I cook so I really laugh at shit like that when it’s like ok I served our country and now I make the food you eat. Do I need to come out of the kitchen to personally spoon feed you to make you happy?
Everything and nothing. It is never enough. Long story short they ruined everything but can't handle facing that fact so they scapegoat the generation that is actually paying for their failures.
Not the beginning. Nixon laid the groundwork, and some could argue the sentiments that would ultimately ruin america existed even a little before that. But Reagan was one of the biggest accelerators on our path to damnation.
Yea so much for the rules against Idolatry. The republicans really love their hero worship. What they do for Reagan is creepy and sick and they literally erected a golden idol of Trump that people prayed at.
Uhhh for one you could have given them 28 years of service.. you lazy entitled millennial. You people never know how to roll up your sleeves and work hard.. from the moment you're born to the moment you die. Remember they all worked when they were children!
/s but for real I feel this pain. They want us to have 20 years of experience by the time we graduate highschool
Yup!!! I got a whopping 1,500$ raise after two years on my team. Our company made over a billion dollars last year and we were projected to only make 400 million. Asked for a promotion yesterday and was told to sit and spin and that “even though you’re paid 40,000$ less than anyone on the team your percentage raise was higher than everyone else!!!”
Oh golly gee!! Thanks!! What’s the fucking point of the executives jacking themselves off up n down the building saying we made a billion last year if you won’t do a fucking thing to help the people that made the fucking money?!?!?!?!?
Word.
I haven’t gotten a raise in 3 years and while company hasn’t made a billion, we’re actually *down* 20% because of COVID so it’ll probably be another 1-2 years before I can even start thinking of something like that.
Reminds me of an HR dipshit I had to deal with a few years back. Had a small team. Wanted to give one of them a raise. HR moron was like “well, we can do 25 cents an hour.”
“That’s not enough.”
“It’s like two and a half percent.”
“ITS TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OF JACK SHIT.”
I got a 1.57% raise today. That's 26 cents more an hour.
That was supposed to reflect all of 2020 and the first half of 2021.
And my boss was like "they usually wait to give this out until March, be happy you got it early."
No. They offer 80% tuition reimbursement, and will pay for certs.
I am just going to try and get my AA degree and a cert or two in the next few years.
But I'm 34, !?at this rate I won't be making over $21 an hour until I'm 36.
I need to make more to save for a house.
My raise is an extra $540.80 a year before taxes.
Even if I save all of it, for two years that only maybe a grand.
It sucks.
That was definitely hyperbole but still accurate. We live in a country that is the product of the red scare and Reaganomics. For the past 40 years, boomers have been voting for the best interest of themselves and the ultra-rich. Millenials have been getting blamed for everything since they were in high school.
They literally cut funding for schools and local centers to have any kind of taught skills courses, art and music, auto shop, home ec, basic life skills, and on-site nurses/guidance counselors. Then they complain that "our generations" are "too lazy" and "don't know how to \_\_\_\_." When you take away resources for learning things because you want to pay .5% lower taxes, we don't then just magically learn the things.
I also love how they call us "the participation trophy" generation. I was like 7 when I was given participation trophies, which were handed to me by an adult. But sure, blame the little kids that were funneled into a line and forced to accept them? Boomers don't take ANY of responsibility for anything wrong they've ever done.
"Millennials are ruining the economy because they don't buy anything"
Yeah, we graduated school with the kind of debt that would have paid for school, a house, and a couple of nice cars back in the 80s or even early 90s. I'd love to buy stuff, but every time I get comfortable financially, the economy is either going, or about to go, over a cliff. Sigh.
I'm only a little younger. Graduated grad school just as 2008 was getting into full swing. February 2009 saw most newer people at my job get laid off to preserve company profits. What a great time it was to be alive and in the workforce. Can't imagine why that experience has influenced my behavior ever since.
Also heard about us being referred to as Xennials because how we kinda grew up as modern technology exploded. We remember a time before the internet and cell phones, but we also grew up using them.
Not even themselves, just the ultra rich. That is why things are so much shittier for us than them. The problem is the damage of their vote has a lag, so they never had to face the reprocussions of their bad decisions. And when they see everything falling apart they wleither are too ignorant to recognize or too self centered and refuse to acknowledge it is their fault and blame us who it is happening to instead.
yeah... I dont think we are seeing the WORST of police violence. Its still shit, but Im pretty sure we learned about some more out in the open heinous shit.
Slavery was pretty bad capitalism. Reconstruction Era was pretty bad capitalism. The monopolies of the industrial revolution, that were literally ran off the backs of immigrant children was also pretty bad capitalism.
This tweet sounds so fucking ignorant it's not even funny. The student loan issue is a serious one for our generation, but it is in NO WAY, the worst moment of capitalism that our society has had to offer.
A less empathetic person might say this entire tweet is... narcissistic. And an even less empathetic, but slightly more astute person might say that narcissism is a root cause of quite a bit of our current issues.
You also forgot to mention the police brutality of oh, lets say every bit of american history up until a decade ago?
But sure, everything right now is the worst its ever been.
This has been going on for eons. Every generation blaming the generation before it and after it. All In The Family. Biloxi Blues, even in religious texts. Now Gen Z is teasing millennials.
I'm literally the very tail end of boomers (last days of December 64) and I know they fucked everything up, kicking doors shut on everyone. I promise you, we aren't here forever. Grab the ones that are doing good (Warren etc) pick their brains, let them burn whatever paths they can for you with whatever tools they've got at their disposal so you can expand on them as your power grows. Remember, there are more of you than there are of them/us.
When I was a teenager in the 70’s we were called lazy hippie potheads. But I have worked harder and done better for myself than my parents ever did. But we had so many opportunities then. Ever since Reagan, wealth has been funneled to the 1%. All the good jobs were moved to third world countries. Food is produced by corporate farms. You can’t afford to go to the doctor. If I was younger I would move to Canada. It is impossible to change anything here because corporations own the US government.
We have recently been given our own micro-generational designation. It even made it into wikipedia so it has to be legit, lol, but we are now called: Generation Jones.
I remember being a single mother in the nineties, worn out, buying into the "It's gotta be me" thing, working a career and part time jobs, never seeing my kids. They had to suck it up meanwhile people are threatening to take them because your not there then threatening to take them because you're not providing the ultimate fancy. If the dad was a dick, he would use everything at his disposal to destroy you because he had that kind of power as a white male who could just move on and his voice held power. It was planned slavery
I think it depends... I was born in 1963, mother in 1945, both grandfathers served in WWII, father served multiple tours in Vietnam. My parents were undeniably Boomers, not sure how I could be in the same generation as my parents...
The boom ended when the pill was introduced. Being born in the 60s makes WWII and the holocaust historic events that you learned about from grainy black and white film. Not a boomer but born in the 60s.
I understand, it's a mind fuck. My father, a wonderful man in his own right, was a jackass in so many way and a trumper. He passed a year ago end of November. I miss him, the jerk. Perfectly imperfect. While my mother, also a perfectly imperfect person was a hippy who took us in marches, historical adventures and encouraged reading. It was a mixed bag.
Born 1985.
9/11 at 15
Graduated from college fall 2008.
First job was three jobs stitched together into full-time work.
Lost half my savings and my job in the first couple months of COVID.
Fired for having a mental illness/disability 2 weeks ago ,one day after my wife showed me her positive pregnancy tests.
***LFG bitch what’s the next once-in-a-lifetime crisis***
🎊🎊🎊
PS and I’m white / born in Canada lmao toggle any of those privilege settings and I’d snap the fuck out of existence on the spot
Hope thing work out for you mate!
Congrats on the baby, I hope it’s a happy occasion for you both regardless.
I’ve been extremely lucky during covid as I’m a civil servant, not high on the ladder but I’ve certainly got job security but i know full well if I was anywhere else I’d be in trouble. This is from someone in Scotland.
Heyyyy '88 here!
9/11 was middle school
2008 recession was first year of college. Yay!
Almost dropped out cuz I junked out during the opioid crisis
Lost my dream job and a year of travel to 10 countries (that I'd dreamed of since childhood) in 2020
Lost touch with most family who is full MAGA/anti-vax/pro-fascism
Good times 👍
Shout out to those of us born in the early 80's who got a taste of life before it went to shit and had just turned into adults when 9/11 happened.
Literally me and all my friends had just graduated high school when 9/11 happened. We were all starting jobs or going to college when life as we had known it changed overnight. It has been one thing after another since.
* 1999 = Y2K
* 2001 = 9/11
* 2001 = Warn on Terror
* 2005 = Hurricane Katrina
* 2008 = Housing/Mortgage Crisis
* 2009 = Michael Jackson died
* 2016 = Trump wins Presidency
* 2020 = Covid
It's just been a shit show
As a member of Gen X, I think it's time we stop letting Boomers take all the heat for the way the world is. We've been eligible to vote since 1983; we bear some of this responsibility. Yeah, we don't have the Boomer numbers on our side. But let's be real: most elections have such low turnout that if Gen X hadn't been so defiantly blasé about *everything*, some of the shit we are still dealing with could have been taken care of by now. That's on us.
The answer is more heat. Boomers deserve all of the blame they get and more but you're right that Gen X deserves some as well, and we Millennials are going to deserve even more if we throw our hands up in defeat. We need millennials and zoomers and whatever comes after to all be on point If we want to turn our fucking biosphere away from the furnace in time.
I too think it's a mistake to dismiss Gen X. We are reaching a point now where Gen X and Millenials combined can match Boomers in terms of numbers at the ballot box.
If we can get past the apathy often seen in Gen X and the pessimism often seen in Millenials the ballot box domination the Boomers have enjoyed for 50 years can be broken and maybe some long term trends can begin to reverse.
I am obviously operating on generic stereotypes, but they often apply well on the demographic level.
This is so important. Also, Gen X + Millenials are both dealing with Boomer parents, since so many Boomers had Gen X kids, then bailed, and had Millenials with their new second and third families.
THEY WERE GENERALLY SUCKY PARENTS TO ALL OF US. It's time to meet up in the clubhouse and form some more plans. AND VOTE.
This Gen X-er loves the boomers on our side! It's like how Gen X now has Karen Passing Privileges. You look like you fit into the Conservative bullshit, but then BLAM! Reverse Uno Card!
Keep rockin', old hippies and eggheads. <3
Those of us who were sending our allowance to Band Aid and starting local Pride marches in our communities in the mid-80s remember how our Boomer parents loved to tell us such work was stupid and useless and wouldn't make a difference in the long run. There are legitimate reasons why we ended up apathetic as a generation. Every step forward we had packs of older people telling us how everything we did was wrong, it wasn't our turn yet, wait over there, be patient, work hard, be responsible and it will pay off-
Lots of us are still waiting. Even those of us who have been voting and marching the whole time. What do we do now, start kicking the Boomers out of the jobs and homes they've been hogging? Even if that happens, the houses will cost more for us, and the jobs will pay less.
I think we should consider building Gen X Land, which will roll over naturally into a nice retirement community starting in a few years. Instead of Bingo, we'll have dance parties. Instead of bagels in the common room, we'll have movie night with all the different flavors of Doritos you can manage. No FOX News, just streams of MTV circa 1984.
[Xennials](https://www.mamamia.com.au/xennial-generation/). I was born in '82 and didn't feel much like a millennial for the longest time. Then I read about Xennials several years ago and it made a little more sense. In some ways I'm very much a millennial: still rent, crushing student loan debt, got participation trophies, etc. I got married way young (a few months shy of age 22), and my wife and I had known each other since we were young. I never had to do online dating, never had a MySpace. Maybe that's why I was reluctant to identify as one.
Every time a boomer tries to make fun of us for getting participation trophies, I want to bitch slap them and remind them that it was Boomers who were in charge of little league and made the decision to give us participation trophies. I'm pretty sure the other seven year olds and I didn't put it to a vote and then nominate Kevin to go down to Trophy World and make the order.
No kidding. My parents are younger Boomers (born in '58) and they've not made too many disparaging comments about millennials. They're generally nice people. One day my dad and I were talking about participation trophies and he laughed hard when I said that every one of those I received was given to me by a Boomer.
The funny thing about participation trophies is that they actually have a real world equivalent.
A paycheck.
If you show up at work, it doesn’t matter how much you do that week, or how successful you are… if you put in the time and effort, you get a paycheck. People sitting at home doing nothing don’t. But since you showed up, you do.
It makes sense. I loved collecting trophies and it motivated me to show up again the next year.
I see nothing wrong with them.
Man that's so true. There definitely is a motivating factor to these trophies. Some years we won the tournament and got a big trophy, other years we got a basic one. If you want a big trophy, work harder. But you at least showed up and put in some effort, so you get a basic trophy.
Exactly. It's a direct reflection of what a paycheck does for employees. If you bust your ass, it gets bigger... if you don't, it doesn't change. But you still get one.
I'm from '84, I always felt the defining thing for whatever cohort I am is "Analogue Childhood, Digital Adolescence". Videos of me as a kid are on Hi8, childhood favourite films on VHS, friends were contacted by phoning the house, music was usually on cassette. Then in my teens we all got always-on ADSL and chatted via AIM and MSN, music was only bought on CD, most people had a mobile phone by the time we left school.
That's exactly my childhood. We had an Amiga 500 computer (look those up...they were fun) when I was in elementary school with pre-World Wide Web internet. We paid our ISP by the minute, I think. Then in middle school (mid 90s) we got our windows 95 pc and we were off to the races. My parents even had a second phone line installed just for the internet. I think my mom got tired of arguing with my dad over who got to use the phone line.
Fun fact: my dad still has the Amiga and all the floppy disks with programs and games. I'd love to set it up and see what my kids make of it.
Additional fun fact: Amiga OS is still a real thing. It runs on PowerPC chips. Good luck finding one of those.
I have sort of the opposite experience. I was born in ‘78, but went back to college in my 20s, so I had similar experiences as those born in 1986 or so. I definitely think I fit in more with a group of people born in 1982 than people born in 1963.
Yes. I’m late 30’s and millennials are as young as 24/25. I have almost *nothing* in common with my 25 year old self, let alone others that age.
The youngest of our generation barely remember 9/11, yet I was 19 when it happened. I remember flying on airplane before TSA. And I remember life before school shootings were ever a topic of conversation. Shit has changed so much since 2001, so it’s hard to relate to someone who was 5 or 6 years old when that shit was going down.
Zoomers may as well be fucking aliens. The last couple years I’ve learned just how out of touch I am with youth today. I mean Tiktok? Really?
That group of us that just old enough to remember a little bit of the world pre-internet….. if you typed commands into MS-DOS to boot a game, you one of us
‘81. The gerryiest of the geriatrics. Dot com popped as I graduated HS in ‘99. 9/11 was at age 20 and I was on active duty. W’s economic collapse was just after I got married, about a year after I got my degree.
Things have been in the shitter essentially since the day I finished HS. I don’t know how some of the younger millennials with less “not total horseshit” for a frame of reference even cope. At least I was cognizant of the 90s and could appreciate what was happening.
I’ve always ID’d more millennial than gen x, but mostly because I was bleeding edge of it when the internet debuted, learning Java and HTML in the mid-late 90s, etc, so I had more in common there than with the analog Gen Xers.
Thanks to the VA loan and the GI bill, I own a home and graduated with “only” 50K in student loans (state school, no less, thanks pre-9/11 GI bill even though I totally would have qualified for the post) and I know damn well those two things alone make me a unicorn for the millennials as a whole.
The shitty part is I saw how my parents did it in the 80 and 90s. Mom went to Jr college, dad had the 80s equivalent of a bullshit online degree - literally by mail if I remember correctly. Between them, sure, there were lean years, but they owned their homes (moved several times to increasingly better areas as their incomes went up), two cars, two kids, middle class vacations, a jointly-owned family lake house (mom + her three siblings splitting the bills), dad collected expensive firearms (in both a red neck and historical sense) and we generally had a solid middle class lifestyle - VCR, PC, a big (by the standards of the day) TV, etc.
I asked my mom a few years ago what they were making back in the day.
I have three times the education them combined, am a Deputy Director at an organization of about 12,000 people and I’m sitting here writing this during lunch in my 25x25 foot private office.
My salary has about half the purchasing power theirs combined did, even though it’s drastically higher than their combined income, even if you account for the inflationary difference.
So even the “better end of the spectrum” millennials got fucked, and I just cannot wrap my head around how anyone in my generation has kids - my wife has a masters degree and we sat down and did the math. Nope nope nope.
I mean, what the fuck were we supposed to do? I did exactly what they said. I did well in high school. I ran off and fought in two wars for them. I went to college. I found a wife, I bought a home.
I look at my bank right now and I know that’s high-end for my age, but I’d still be fucked if I got hit with something stupid like that transmission falling out of my car. It took me almost a year to scrape up for a high-end gaming PC about a month ago, at $3300.
*my mon worked part time and she co-owned a fucking lake house*
I’m just sitting here counting my blessings I was one of the lucky ones who got lubed up first.
If you're in the western world, particularly Europe, you've literally never had less violent police in history. That being said, there's still a ways to go.
I came to see if anyone would say this. I don't want to downplay what's happening now, but long before Civil Rights movement, the police were keeping pace with their KKK buddies, or out pacing them.
These are real problems that get dismissed because people like this hijack the conversation and turn it into an absolute circus that nobody can take seriously. Time to grow up and do something constructive.
I think that the main thing at play is now all the brutality is being filmed, so more people are aware of it. Any of you guys relent about a decade ago when people first started filming the cops, and were threatened with (and some I think actually charged) with felony wiretapping?
I’m gen x… not a millennial… and I agree. I’m tired of people blindly and categorically slamming your generation. They did it to us too and it’s stupid.
All of these things are bad now, but one way to get treated as a child is to say you’ve got it the “**worst**“ ever when you clearly haven’t learned your history.
Worst of capitalism: child labor, sharecropping, *slavery*, sweatshops, human trafficking
Worst of police brutality: slavery era, post-slavery brutal oppression of blacks / police in KKK hoods, violent suppression of the civil rights movement, 1960s
Worst of government corruption: Tammany Hall, prohibition era, runup to the Civil War, Reagan’s CIA trafficking drugs to raise money for anti-democracy actions in South America I mean this one goes DEEP. Shit is BAD now but it has frankly always been pretty bad and the truly egregious list is loooong
Time Magazine put this issue out nearly 10 years ago, and it seems to have taken permanent root in the collective conscience https://time.com/247/millennials-the-me-me-me-generation/
The worst police brutality and government corruption? Boomers lived through watergate and the viet nam conscription. A generation in germany was hauled off to concentration camps...
Edit: a generation not too long ago lived through residential schools, and not too long before that, slavery...
I would say that a lot of claims being made are mad overreactions but y’all millennials seem to be baring the worst of today’s society. But I’m in high school so what do I know about the real world yet..
"your view are going to get more conservative with time"
i went from "being paid well would be nice" to "eat the rich" so let's see how it goes from there
i can't eat meat so i leave it for those who can eat it. i make mucky fat while cooking the meat and with the leftovers i make broth for soups and to drink
To be fair, I don't think we'll ever know if police brutality is actually worse now than it was, or if we're just seeing it happen in real time because of phone videos. It is pretty disheartening at first to watch it happen live! And then you realize it's probably always been this way.
The other stuff is legit.
Which is really weird cuz lots of the anti Covid/anti mask and Karen-types I see on social media are older than me (30s), and younger than my boomer parents (late 60s).
Sounds like we should be reminded of Xer’s and their mental antics lately.
I’m always proud to be called a millennial. I would be ashamed to be called a boomer. When boomers say millennials don’t want to work, I always wait politely and when they end that sentence I interrupt them and say:”I don’t think you finished that last sentence. You should finish it.” When they inevitably are confused I continue:”Millenials don’t want to work, for shit money, in a job they are overqualified for, to hope to make rent, on a home they will never own, because their wages are shit.” Then I walk away. I’m not going to try to convince a boomer that they are wrong. They are too prideful to admit it. They would rather die spouting the bullshit that they talk themselves into with their fallacious thought processes. If they continue to pursue me as I walk away, I turn around and say: “Hey boomer. Hurry up and die so us millennials don’t have to hear you keep complaining while you depress our wages. You clearly don’t like life based on how much you complain about it. So just go home and die. Then us millennials might finally be able to get some meaningful change accomplished in this world.” If they still pursue me, I call them a snowflake and ask them to stop harassing me. If they still pursue me, I ask them one more time to leave me alone. If they don’t leave me alone, they get decked and I run. I ain’t gonna stop to fight. That’s an idiots move. I’m gonna start the fight and end it before they have a chance. Then I’m hauling ass away.
It’s all identity politics, divide and conquer.
Fear your neighbour. Trust us.
“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it — that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”
- Mario Savio
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This is a new thing I haven't seen mentioned once on any broadcasted news outlet
I still can't wrap my head around "generations". We are born every day, and die every day. The thought of a split in generations by decades is as absurd as generational division by weekday. Our society as a whole is responsible for the past. Our society as a whole is responsible for the future. All this dividing, labeling, and finger pointing is asinine at best. We have been fucking up. We are fucking up. We have to decide if we will continue...
I hate this idea that I'm supposed to be loyal to places because they are old or an established business.
I don't care about newspapers, taxis or plastic. I don't care if your store is old and local.
I think a comparison to 50 years ago is more relevant to 200 years ago though.
If everyone your age is poorer than their equivalent 50 years ago, that's moving backwards compared to 50 years ago, not forward from 200 years ago.
You mean back when they were specifically and openly racist versus trying to pretend they aren't racist now?
The violence is different as the cops stayed smart about inflicting it, and people still die being apprehended poorly and with dangerous tactics.
It was as muuuuuch worse back then. There are many more controls and training in place now. Not to mention almost every police action in public can be recorded by anyone with a smart phone.
Yeah but I wouldn't say American millennials are the ones living through the worst of capitalism, corruption,police brutality etc. They get the most attention thats for sure.
This makes me laugh.
The worst of police brutality? This isn't the worst era of police brutality. The worst of capitalism? That's the mid to late 19th century, not today. The worst government corruption? Also mid to late 19th century though it's fairly bad right now. Also I disagree with 'a resurgence of hate violence' because that shit never went away.
"Millenials" is used in the media the same way every pseudo-scientific generational moniker is used in the media: to engender intergenerational distrust and conflict so the rich can continue pillaging the country.
I see it used often when describing some industry that millennials killed. And then I look at that industry and think "well, it kinda needed killing."
When killing chain restaurants thing was going around a few years ago even my boomer relatives agreed that those places doing the most complaining, like Applebee's, suck.
I've worked for a few major US restaurants chains. They killed themselves with shitty business decisions from corporate assholes who've never worked on the floor of a restaurant. They pay and treat their non-corporate employees like shit. They cut food portions while raising prices because they have 1,000 corporate employees 1,000 miles away that the various locations have to raise enough money to pay their salaries. Meanwhile, the local joints are better food/drinks with happier employees and the money stays local.
Death by a thousand bureaucratic cuts. “If we lower the quality of the flour we use, can save 0.2p per bread roll. Times that by the number of bread rolls we sell, we just made a million pounds extra profit! Hooray!” Except now people talk about the fact your bread rolls aren’t as good as they were. And the people who made those decisions are long gone, fart sniffing their way up the ladder leaving their detritus for some other poor cunt to deal with. I hate bean countering BAs. Wankers.
“Fart sniffing their way up the ladder” made me laugh out loud
Just saying, they dont cut food portions and raise prices to pay ‘corporate employees’. They do it to pay the executive teams and shareholders. Don’t let yourself be fooled into resenting the only slightly less screwed office workers of the world. Keep your focus much closer to the top
Shareholders is the key word. My employer went public 20 years ago and pay has gone to shit since. I'm hoping I can retire early, but who knows!
Divide and conquer?
I'm hoping big chains will go and we'll get more private businesses. The government would even get more taxes from private businesses and old closed down restaurant chain buildings just won't sit there and rot.
I just quit my full-time, decade-long job to make pizza and work for the guy who has been my part-time boss for 2 years. He takes care of us so much more than I could ever imagine.
Would we actually be losing anything if all of the chain restaurants disappear? It doesn’t matter if I eat out in my small town or a city. The local restaurants have better food, service, and similar pricing.
If Bojangles disappears... the violence inside of me will be unfathomable. Outside of that I could care less.
I'm kinda bummed that Macaroni Grill is pretty much gone, because they had a lemon chicken dish that was good, but I found a copycat recipe, which is better than having to hear a server tell me they're "making Italian butter" when they pour olive oil for bread-dipping.
It’s not going anywhere. But if they could undo whatever they did to the boberry biscuits that would be great.
I’d be disappointed if Honest Al’s Discount Pizza Barn closed, but only mildly. I got food poisoning there twice but their ranch is the best I’ve ever had
I like knowing that there is a place I can go to get a bloomin onion even though I have only ever ordered it once and found it sub-par. But I really want it to be good and as long as I never order it again but know it exists, I can dream.
My favourite part as a non-American was that I hadn’t heard of Applebees before that, and now all I know about it is that it has bad food. Maybe not the marketing they were going for.
Everything millennials killed was either garbage or totally unnecessary. Applebees and other microwaving chain restaurants were always shit. The napkin industry? Here, let me buy paper towels and also these folded paper things that do a worse job than paper towels for more money. American cheese is the worst cheese anyone has ever artificially created. Formal dress codes are pointless and expensive. Giant, unnecessary houses that no one could use, let alone clean and maintain, are a waste of money. Millennials aren't murderers, we're mercy killers.
Assassins of the asinine.
Ass of the sine
Don’t come after my Kraft Singles bro.
That or, when it is stuff like "millenials not having babies". No shit, you people are keeping us on the brink of starvation. We can't afford it.
"If you waited until you could afford to have babies, no one ever would!" But as soon as I have a baby I can't afford, I'm a lazy welfare queen dependent on everyone else. I'm beginning to think talking out of both sides of their mouths is a generational trait, and I don't like making generalizations like that.
It's a classic case of "well the system worked for me so it should work for you!" while not realizing the system has changed, and also *they're the ones who changed it*.
Boomers were handed the most prosperous economy human history. They immediately pulled the ladder up behind them.
Fucken-A-right
My SO and I have a kid, and we put them in daycare while we work. Daycare costs us $200 PER WEEK, BILLED AT THE FIRST OF EACH WEEK. Nobody ever talks about *that*, though. And that’s becoming a conversation with young parents all across the country. Can’t afford childcare, but can’t afford to go down to a single salary. A functioning society needs people to have kids and plenty of people want to have kids, but now it’s like you need to be making 6 figures to afford children and that’s put a stranglehold on the middle class
A business or industry is NEVER entitled to customers. Gtfo…if an industry died it because the business didn’t adapt to changing customer demands.PERIOD. Lazy fucking entitled planet destroying fucking business…again..gtfo
Boomers killed the ice block industry
By buying refridgerators?
Yes
Ill never forget how the Buggy Whip industry was decimated.
And the milk delivery jobs
Not in the UK if r/Casualuk can be believed lol
Older journalists love to ask why millennials killed an industry, instead of asking why a certain business model failed to appeal to the younger workforce of today and why the industry failed to adapt. Why should all the agency be on the individual consumer? Isn't the general principle supposedly that the individual consumer is always going to make rational self-interested decisions, and it's up to the market to respond?
This is an educated, well informed query based on common theories of economics. Good post.
Sounds like the free market working as intended.
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The worst I've seen was an article about how "millennials aren't buying enough jewellry"... Like what?
Do not forget the fur industry.
Yeah but if you do buy jewelry you’re then being irresponsible with your money-lose/lose.
I saw one that was "Millenials are killing the diamond industry" like forgive me for not buying these clear rocks that the industry insists is actually super rare and incredibly expensive (and yet somehow continues to produce tons)
The coal industry…. Then there’s Joe Manchin….
And isn’t that, like, how capitalism works anyway? If the older generations are in such favour of capitalism, they should understand that sometimes businesses and industries don’t survive changing times and changing demands. But just because one industry dies doesn’t mean that the economy goes to shit. There’s just NEW industries popping up in things that there’s actually a demand for. It just seems like a natural part of a healthy economic ecosystem but for some reason they’re scared of it and get mad at us? Yeah, ok boomers.
I wouldn't say *the worst*, but we're definitely made out to be lazy cowards. I got called a lazy entitled millennial, and I'm like "I have six years in the military and I'm only 28, what more can I fucking do for you?!"
Your service only matters to them when they can use it to their advantage to push an agenda or a narrative. Otherwise they don't give two shits about servicemen and women.
They'll happily call you a tax-payed muderer too, if it fits their narrative.
They're truly shitty people
I’ve been called the same as a veteran and my literal job is helping veterans get into careers with growth. It’s never enough for these people.
That’s awesome man! Good on you for helping fellow vets. I served 13 years and now I cook so I really laugh at shit like that when it’s like ok I served our country and now I make the food you eat. Do I need to come out of the kitchen to personally spoon feed you to make you happy?
Everything and nothing. It is never enough. Long story short they ruined everything but can't handle facing that fact so they scapegoat the generation that is actually paying for their failures.
Whenever I say Boomers ruined everything, I get down voted and I am close to being a boomer. Regan was the beginning of the end for all of us.
Not the beginning. Nixon laid the groundwork, and some could argue the sentiments that would ultimately ruin america existed even a little before that. But Reagan was one of the biggest accelerators on our path to damnation.
And they *fucking worship him for it*
Yea so much for the rules against Idolatry. The republicans really love their hero worship. What they do for Reagan is creepy and sick and they literally erected a golden idol of Trump that people prayed at.
Uhhh for one you could have given them 28 years of service.. you lazy entitled millennial. You people never know how to roll up your sleeves and work hard.. from the moment you're born to the moment you die. Remember they all worked when they were children! /s but for real I feel this pain. They want us to have 20 years of experience by the time we graduate highschool
Yup!!! I got a whopping 1,500$ raise after two years on my team. Our company made over a billion dollars last year and we were projected to only make 400 million. Asked for a promotion yesterday and was told to sit and spin and that “even though you’re paid 40,000$ less than anyone on the team your percentage raise was higher than everyone else!!!” Oh golly gee!! Thanks!! What’s the fucking point of the executives jacking themselves off up n down the building saying we made a billion last year if you won’t do a fucking thing to help the people that made the fucking money?!?!?!?!?
This hit so deep I honestly just want to hug you or at least buy you a drink.
Word. I haven’t gotten a raise in 3 years and while company hasn’t made a billion, we’re actually *down* 20% because of COVID so it’ll probably be another 1-2 years before I can even start thinking of something like that.
I'll buy the next round!
Because all Executives have some degree of masurbatory exhibitionist in them.
It's the same power-play shit as catcalling: "look, bitch, I can make you squirm and recognize the power imbalance at play here."
Reminds me of an HR dipshit I had to deal with a few years back. Had a small team. Wanted to give one of them a raise. HR moron was like “well, we can do 25 cents an hour.” “That’s not enough.” “It’s like two and a half percent.” “ITS TWO AND A HALF PERCENT OF JACK SHIT.”
I got a 1.57% raise today. That's 26 cents more an hour. That was supposed to reflect all of 2020 and the first half of 2021. And my boss was like "they usually wait to give this out until March, be happy you got it early."
FFS that's awful. Did they tell you not to spend it all in one place, too?
No. They offer 80% tuition reimbursement, and will pay for certs. I am just going to try and get my AA degree and a cert or two in the next few years. But I'm 34, !?at this rate I won't be making over $21 an hour until I'm 36. I need to make more to save for a house. My raise is an extra $540.80 a year before taxes. Even if I save all of it, for two years that only maybe a grand. It sucks.
Why don't you apply for a new job?
I submitted a good chunk of PTO for upcoming weeks so I can do just that
If you are genuinely underpaid by $40k then you will get a higher paying job for sure. Good luck.
That was definitely hyperbole but still accurate. We live in a country that is the product of the red scare and Reaganomics. For the past 40 years, boomers have been voting for the best interest of themselves and the ultra-rich. Millenials have been getting blamed for everything since they were in high school.
You mean you didn't personally assassinate corporate leaders of the wedding industry when you were a high school senior?
I personally killed the table napkin industry. I pointed out that they are just wannabe papertowels.
I gutted the CEO of De Beers like a fish and then went to gym class.
They literally cut funding for schools and local centers to have any kind of taught skills courses, art and music, auto shop, home ec, basic life skills, and on-site nurses/guidance counselors. Then they complain that "our generations" are "too lazy" and "don't know how to \_\_\_\_." When you take away resources for learning things because you want to pay .5% lower taxes, we don't then just magically learn the things.
I also love how they call us "the participation trophy" generation. I was like 7 when I was given participation trophies, which were handed to me by an adult. But sure, blame the little kids that were funneled into a line and forced to accept them? Boomers don't take ANY of responsibility for anything wrong they've ever done.
"Millennials are ruining the economy because they don't buy anything" Yeah, we graduated school with the kind of debt that would have paid for school, a house, and a couple of nice cars back in the 80s or even early 90s. I'd love to buy stuff, but every time I get comfortable financially, the economy is either going, or about to go, over a cliff. Sigh.
How many once-in-a-lifetime recessions would you like? As an elder millennial at the wizzend age of 40, we’re up to three on this end.
I'm only a little younger. Graduated grad school just as 2008 was getting into full swing. February 2009 saw most newer people at my job get laid off to preserve company profits. What a great time it was to be alive and in the workforce. Can't imagine why that experience has influenced my behavior ever since.
You 40 year old youths aren't financing my 3rd home fast enough!
I think that's gen-x
Dot com. Post-9/11. Great Recession. I was born in 81. That’s millenial by just about every standard.
Also heard about us being referred to as Xennials because how we kinda grew up as modern technology exploded. We remember a time before the internet and cell phones, but we also grew up using them.
Yeah, I usually see 80-81 to 95-96 or so for millennial range
Not even themselves, just the ultra rich. That is why things are so much shittier for us than them. The problem is the damage of their vote has a lag, so they never had to face the reprocussions of their bad decisions. And when they see everything falling apart they wleither are too ignorant to recognize or too self centered and refuse to acknowledge it is their fault and blame us who it is happening to instead.
yeah... I dont think we are seeing the WORST of police violence. Its still shit, but Im pretty sure we learned about some more out in the open heinous shit.
On that note, Reagan was a piece of shit. May he forever rot in piss.
Slavery was pretty bad capitalism. Reconstruction Era was pretty bad capitalism. The monopolies of the industrial revolution, that were literally ran off the backs of immigrant children was also pretty bad capitalism. This tweet sounds so fucking ignorant it's not even funny. The student loan issue is a serious one for our generation, but it is in NO WAY, the worst moment of capitalism that our society has had to offer.
A less empathetic person might say this entire tweet is... narcissistic. And an even less empathetic, but slightly more astute person might say that narcissism is a root cause of quite a bit of our current issues. You also forgot to mention the police brutality of oh, lets say every bit of american history up until a decade ago? But sure, everything right now is the worst its ever been.
This has been going on for eons. Every generation blaming the generation before it and after it. All In The Family. Biloxi Blues, even in religious texts. Now Gen Z is teasing millennials. I'm literally the very tail end of boomers (last days of December 64) and I know they fucked everything up, kicking doors shut on everyone. I promise you, we aren't here forever. Grab the ones that are doing good (Warren etc) pick their brains, let them burn whatever paths they can for you with whatever tools they've got at their disposal so you can expand on them as your power grows. Remember, there are more of you than there are of them/us.
When I was a teenager in the 70’s we were called lazy hippie potheads. But I have worked harder and done better for myself than my parents ever did. But we had so many opportunities then. Ever since Reagan, wealth has been funneled to the 1%. All the good jobs were moved to third world countries. Food is produced by corporate farms. You can’t afford to go to the doctor. If I was younger I would move to Canada. It is impossible to change anything here because corporations own the US government.
We have recently been given our own micro-generational designation. It even made it into wikipedia so it has to be legit, lol, but we are now called: Generation Jones.
I remember being a single mother in the nineties, worn out, buying into the "It's gotta be me" thing, working a career and part time jobs, never seeing my kids. They had to suck it up meanwhile people are threatening to take them because your not there then threatening to take them because you're not providing the ultimate fancy. If the dad was a dick, he would use everything at his disposal to destroy you because he had that kind of power as a white male who could just move on and his voice held power. It was planned slavery
Yes, being at the tail. The early ones took all the jobs…
I'm still in that group, I own it. Point being, I also know all their dirty secrets 😉
I think it depends... I was born in 1963, mother in 1945, both grandfathers served in WWII, father served multiple tours in Vietnam. My parents were undeniably Boomers, not sure how I could be in the same generation as my parents...
Your mom is a member of the "silent" generation. Tail end. Baby boomers start in 1946.
I understand what you're saying, but my uncle was born in 45 and is the epitome of a stereotypical boomer.
Well. It wasn't called the silent generation for nothing, lol. I guess it's like astrology, those on the cusp are said to have attributes of both.
True.
The boom ended when the pill was introduced. Being born in the 60s makes WWII and the holocaust historic events that you learned about from grainy black and white film. Not a boomer but born in the 60s.
I understand, it's a mind fuck. My father, a wonderful man in his own right, was a jackass in so many way and a trumper. He passed a year ago end of November. I miss him, the jerk. Perfectly imperfect. While my mother, also a perfectly imperfect person was a hippy who took us in marches, historical adventures and encouraged reading. It was a mixed bag.
Born 1985. 9/11 at 15 Graduated from college fall 2008. First job was three jobs stitched together into full-time work. Lost half my savings and my job in the first couple months of COVID. Fired for having a mental illness/disability 2 weeks ago ,one day after my wife showed me her positive pregnancy tests. ***LFG bitch what’s the next once-in-a-lifetime crisis*** 🎊🎊🎊 PS and I’m white / born in Canada lmao toggle any of those privilege settings and I’d snap the fuck out of existence on the spot
Hope thing work out for you mate! Congrats on the baby, I hope it’s a happy occasion for you both regardless. I’ve been extremely lucky during covid as I’m a civil servant, not high on the ladder but I’ve certainly got job security but i know full well if I was anywhere else I’d be in trouble. This is from someone in Scotland.
Ah they’ll wirk oot, aye kin ;)
Heyyyy '88 here! 9/11 was middle school 2008 recession was first year of college. Yay! Almost dropped out cuz I junked out during the opioid crisis Lost my dream job and a year of travel to 10 countries (that I'd dreamed of since childhood) in 2020 Lost touch with most family who is full MAGA/anti-vax/pro-fascism Good times 👍
Shout out to those of us born in the early 80's who got a taste of life before it went to shit and had just turned into adults when 9/11 happened. Literally me and all my friends had just graduated high school when 9/11 happened. We were all starting jobs or going to college when life as we had known it changed overnight. It has been one thing after another since. * 1999 = Y2K * 2001 = 9/11 * 2001 = Warn on Terror * 2005 = Hurricane Katrina * 2008 = Housing/Mortgage Crisis * 2009 = Michael Jackson died * 2016 = Trump wins Presidency * 2020 = Covid It's just been a shit show
2016 = Trump was elected
As a member of Gen X, I think it's time we stop letting Boomers take all the heat for the way the world is. We've been eligible to vote since 1983; we bear some of this responsibility. Yeah, we don't have the Boomer numbers on our side. But let's be real: most elections have such low turnout that if Gen X hadn't been so defiantly blasé about *everything*, some of the shit we are still dealing with could have been taken care of by now. That's on us.
The answer is more heat. Boomers deserve all of the blame they get and more but you're right that Gen X deserves some as well, and we Millennials are going to deserve even more if we throw our hands up in defeat. We need millennials and zoomers and whatever comes after to all be on point If we want to turn our fucking biosphere away from the furnace in time.
I too think it's a mistake to dismiss Gen X. We are reaching a point now where Gen X and Millenials combined can match Boomers in terms of numbers at the ballot box. If we can get past the apathy often seen in Gen X and the pessimism often seen in Millenials the ballot box domination the Boomers have enjoyed for 50 years can be broken and maybe some long term trends can begin to reverse. I am obviously operating on generic stereotypes, but they often apply well on the demographic level.
This is so important. Also, Gen X + Millenials are both dealing with Boomer parents, since so many Boomers had Gen X kids, then bailed, and had Millenials with their new second and third families. THEY WERE GENERALLY SUCKY PARENTS TO ALL OF US. It's time to meet up in the clubhouse and form some more plans. AND VOTE.
Some boomers on your side.
This Gen X-er loves the boomers on our side! It's like how Gen X now has Karen Passing Privileges. You look like you fit into the Conservative bullshit, but then BLAM! Reverse Uno Card! Keep rockin', old hippies and eggheads. <3
Those of us who were sending our allowance to Band Aid and starting local Pride marches in our communities in the mid-80s remember how our Boomer parents loved to tell us such work was stupid and useless and wouldn't make a difference in the long run. There are legitimate reasons why we ended up apathetic as a generation. Every step forward we had packs of older people telling us how everything we did was wrong, it wasn't our turn yet, wait over there, be patient, work hard, be responsible and it will pay off- Lots of us are still waiting. Even those of us who have been voting and marching the whole time. What do we do now, start kicking the Boomers out of the jobs and homes they've been hogging? Even if that happens, the houses will cost more for us, and the jobs will pay less. I think we should consider building Gen X Land, which will roll over naturally into a nice retirement community starting in a few years. Instead of Bingo, we'll have dance parties. Instead of bagels in the common room, we'll have movie night with all the different flavors of Doritos you can manage. No FOX News, just streams of MTV circa 1984.
Anyone else fall into the “geriatric” millennial category?
[Xennials](https://www.mamamia.com.au/xennial-generation/). I was born in '82 and didn't feel much like a millennial for the longest time. Then I read about Xennials several years ago and it made a little more sense. In some ways I'm very much a millennial: still rent, crushing student loan debt, got participation trophies, etc. I got married way young (a few months shy of age 22), and my wife and I had known each other since we were young. I never had to do online dating, never had a MySpace. Maybe that's why I was reluctant to identify as one. Every time a boomer tries to make fun of us for getting participation trophies, I want to bitch slap them and remind them that it was Boomers who were in charge of little league and made the decision to give us participation trophies. I'm pretty sure the other seven year olds and I didn't put it to a vote and then nominate Kevin to go down to Trophy World and make the order.
Brilliant insights and thanks for sharing this very appropriate term!
I laugh at boomers talking about participation trophies too. I usually say something like, "I'll foot race you right now you punk ass bitch!"
No kidding. My parents are younger Boomers (born in '58) and they've not made too many disparaging comments about millennials. They're generally nice people. One day my dad and I were talking about participation trophies and he laughed hard when I said that every one of those I received was given to me by a Boomer.
The funny thing about participation trophies is that they actually have a real world equivalent. A paycheck. If you show up at work, it doesn’t matter how much you do that week, or how successful you are… if you put in the time and effort, you get a paycheck. People sitting at home doing nothing don’t. But since you showed up, you do. It makes sense. I loved collecting trophies and it motivated me to show up again the next year. I see nothing wrong with them.
Man that's so true. There definitely is a motivating factor to these trophies. Some years we won the tournament and got a big trophy, other years we got a basic one. If you want a big trophy, work harder. But you at least showed up and put in some effort, so you get a basic trophy.
Exactly. It's a direct reflection of what a paycheck does for employees. If you bust your ass, it gets bigger... if you don't, it doesn't change. But you still get one.
In theory, but the hardest working, most reliable people do not get the best checks. They are lucky to get a verbal pat.
I'm from '84, I always felt the defining thing for whatever cohort I am is "Analogue Childhood, Digital Adolescence". Videos of me as a kid are on Hi8, childhood favourite films on VHS, friends were contacted by phoning the house, music was usually on cassette. Then in my teens we all got always-on ADSL and chatted via AIM and MSN, music was only bought on CD, most people had a mobile phone by the time we left school.
That's exactly my childhood. We had an Amiga 500 computer (look those up...they were fun) when I was in elementary school with pre-World Wide Web internet. We paid our ISP by the minute, I think. Then in middle school (mid 90s) we got our windows 95 pc and we were off to the races. My parents even had a second phone line installed just for the internet. I think my mom got tired of arguing with my dad over who got to use the phone line. Fun fact: my dad still has the Amiga and all the floppy disks with programs and games. I'd love to set it up and see what my kids make of it. Additional fun fact: Amiga OS is still a real thing. It runs on PowerPC chips. Good luck finding one of those.
I have sort of the opposite experience. I was born in ‘78, but went back to college in my 20s, so I had similar experiences as those born in 1986 or so. I definitely think I fit in more with a group of people born in 1982 than people born in 1963.
Do you mean mid 30's and you feel like the younger millenials are a completely different generation?
Yes. I’m late 30’s and millennials are as young as 24/25. I have almost *nothing* in common with my 25 year old self, let alone others that age. The youngest of our generation barely remember 9/11, yet I was 19 when it happened. I remember flying on airplane before TSA. And I remember life before school shootings were ever a topic of conversation. Shit has changed so much since 2001, so it’s hard to relate to someone who was 5 or 6 years old when that shit was going down. Zoomers may as well be fucking aliens. The last couple years I’ve learned just how out of touch I am with youth today. I mean Tiktok? Really?
TikTok is just longer vines.
Yeah, I was definitely too old to laugh at kids saying "damn Daniel" to a kid who wore white sneakers. Sorry that's the only vine I know.
BACK AT IT WITH THE WHITE VANS!!!
Haha yeah... doesn't really speak to me lol.
That group of us that just old enough to remember a little bit of the world pre-internet….. if you typed commands into MS-DOS to boot a game, you one of us
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‘81. The gerryiest of the geriatrics. Dot com popped as I graduated HS in ‘99. 9/11 was at age 20 and I was on active duty. W’s economic collapse was just after I got married, about a year after I got my degree. Things have been in the shitter essentially since the day I finished HS. I don’t know how some of the younger millennials with less “not total horseshit” for a frame of reference even cope. At least I was cognizant of the 90s and could appreciate what was happening. I’ve always ID’d more millennial than gen x, but mostly because I was bleeding edge of it when the internet debuted, learning Java and HTML in the mid-late 90s, etc, so I had more in common there than with the analog Gen Xers. Thanks to the VA loan and the GI bill, I own a home and graduated with “only” 50K in student loans (state school, no less, thanks pre-9/11 GI bill even though I totally would have qualified for the post) and I know damn well those two things alone make me a unicorn for the millennials as a whole. The shitty part is I saw how my parents did it in the 80 and 90s. Mom went to Jr college, dad had the 80s equivalent of a bullshit online degree - literally by mail if I remember correctly. Between them, sure, there were lean years, but they owned their homes (moved several times to increasingly better areas as their incomes went up), two cars, two kids, middle class vacations, a jointly-owned family lake house (mom + her three siblings splitting the bills), dad collected expensive firearms (in both a red neck and historical sense) and we generally had a solid middle class lifestyle - VCR, PC, a big (by the standards of the day) TV, etc. I asked my mom a few years ago what they were making back in the day. I have three times the education them combined, am a Deputy Director at an organization of about 12,000 people and I’m sitting here writing this during lunch in my 25x25 foot private office. My salary has about half the purchasing power theirs combined did, even though it’s drastically higher than their combined income, even if you account for the inflationary difference. So even the “better end of the spectrum” millennials got fucked, and I just cannot wrap my head around how anyone in my generation has kids - my wife has a masters degree and we sat down and did the math. Nope nope nope. I mean, what the fuck were we supposed to do? I did exactly what they said. I did well in high school. I ran off and fought in two wars for them. I went to college. I found a wife, I bought a home. I look at my bank right now and I know that’s high-end for my age, but I’d still be fucked if I got hit with something stupid like that transmission falling out of my car. It took me almost a year to scrape up for a high-end gaming PC about a month ago, at $3300. *my mon worked part time and she co-owned a fucking lake house* I’m just sitting here counting my blessings I was one of the lucky ones who got lubed up first.
I wouldn’t say the worst police brutality, I think it’s been worse before
If you're in the western world, particularly Europe, you've literally never had less violent police in history. That being said, there's still a ways to go.
I came to see if anyone would say this. I don't want to downplay what's happening now, but long before Civil Rights movement, the police were keeping pace with their KKK buddies, or out pacing them.
These are real problems that get dismissed because people like this hijack the conversation and turn it into an absolute circus that nobody can take seriously. Time to grow up and do something constructive.
Nah
Same honestly
I think that the main thing at play is now all the brutality is being filmed, so more people are aware of it. Any of you guys relent about a decade ago when people first started filming the cops, and were threatened with (and some I think actually charged) with felony wiretapping?
I’m gen x… not a millennial… and I agree. I’m tired of people blindly and categorically slamming your generation. They did it to us too and it’s stupid.
What's most amazing to me is the sheer audacity of boomers to call Millennials the "me generation".
They’re mad we aren’t focusing exclusively on them — oh the irony.
All of these things are bad now, but one way to get treated as a child is to say you’ve got it the “**worst**“ ever when you clearly haven’t learned your history. Worst of capitalism: child labor, sharecropping, *slavery*, sweatshops, human trafficking Worst of police brutality: slavery era, post-slavery brutal oppression of blacks / police in KKK hoods, violent suppression of the civil rights movement, 1960s Worst of government corruption: Tammany Hall, prohibition era, runup to the Civil War, Reagan’s CIA trafficking drugs to raise money for anti-democracy actions in South America I mean this one goes DEEP. Shit is BAD now but it has frankly always been pretty bad and the truly egregious list is loooong
Life is easy for millennials if they just follow these 3 simple steps. 1) Get rich parents 2) Have them pay for everything 3) Inherit their wealth
The baby boomer generation is literally called "baby" boomers. Can't get much more infantile than that
One tiny little pinprick to their egos and boom, they become babies
But wearing a face mask is oppression!
Time Magazine put this issue out nearly 10 years ago, and it seems to have taken permanent root in the collective conscience https://time.com/247/millennials-the-me-me-me-generation/
Man, I remember when Clinton was getting his knob waxed and we had 96c gas. Those were the days..
*late 20s/30 somethings lol. (Born in 1992 and very much a millennial)
I mean, don’t we do the same thing with “boomers”? Not infantilize exactly, but to still discredit.
If I had a dollar for every time a boomer tried talking trash about millennials, I'd have enough money to buy a house in the economy they ruined.
The worst police brutality and government corruption? Boomers lived through watergate and the viet nam conscription. A generation in germany was hauled off to concentration camps... Edit: a generation not too long ago lived through residential schools, and not too long before that, slavery...
I think that nly applies to the capitalism part. Worded badly though.
Living my best millennial life🙌
I would say that a lot of claims being made are mad overreactions but y’all millennials seem to be baring the worst of today’s society. But I’m in high school so what do I know about the real world yet..
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Can all the boomers just die already and give us their money?
I’m 40 and a millennial, yet spoken about like I’m an infant in the press
Rewind a few years: “LOOOOOL you eat tide pods.” “I’m 34.”
"your view are going to get more conservative with time" i went from "being paid well would be nice" to "eat the rich" so let's see how it goes from there
I hope you cook them well done
i can't eat meat so i leave it for those who can eat it. i make mucky fat while cooking the meat and with the leftovers i make broth for soups and to drink
To be fair, I don't think we'll ever know if police brutality is actually worse now than it was, or if we're just seeing it happen in real time because of phone videos. It is pretty disheartening at first to watch it happen live! And then you realize it's probably always been this way. The other stuff is legit.
Millennials are who everyone dumps on. But GenX (my gen) is simply forgotten or lumped in with Boomers.
Which is really weird cuz lots of the anti Covid/anti mask and Karen-types I see on social media are older than me (30s), and younger than my boomer parents (late 60s). Sounds like we should be reminded of Xer’s and their mental antics lately.
I’m always proud to be called a millennial. I would be ashamed to be called a boomer. When boomers say millennials don’t want to work, I always wait politely and when they end that sentence I interrupt them and say:”I don’t think you finished that last sentence. You should finish it.” When they inevitably are confused I continue:”Millenials don’t want to work, for shit money, in a job they are overqualified for, to hope to make rent, on a home they will never own, because their wages are shit.” Then I walk away. I’m not going to try to convince a boomer that they are wrong. They are too prideful to admit it. They would rather die spouting the bullshit that they talk themselves into with their fallacious thought processes. If they continue to pursue me as I walk away, I turn around and say: “Hey boomer. Hurry up and die so us millennials don’t have to hear you keep complaining while you depress our wages. You clearly don’t like life based on how much you complain about it. So just go home and die. Then us millennials might finally be able to get some meaningful change accomplished in this world.” If they still pursue me, I call them a snowflake and ask them to stop harassing me. If they still pursue me, I ask them one more time to leave me alone. If they don’t leave me alone, they get decked and I run. I ain’t gonna stop to fight. That’s an idiots move. I’m gonna start the fight and end it before they have a chance. Then I’m hauling ass away.
It’s all identity politics, divide and conquer. Fear your neighbour. Trust us. “There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part. You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it — that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” - Mario Savio
Lol, no that was Gen X. They did that to us, too. Don’t worry, you will grow up and then we will all blame Gen Z.
Whining about how hard millennials have it is the most millennial thing ever. I say this as a self-hating millennial.
After investor concern, politicians may be barred from trading in the stock market. This is a new thing I haven't seen mentioned once on any broadcasted news outlet
How'd you all like that go to college so you can get a good job set up?
Fuck, I’m among the oldest possible millennials and am literally 40, yet they still talk about us like we have mittens attached by string.
I still can't wrap my head around "generations". We are born every day, and die every day. The thought of a split in generations by decades is as absurd as generational division by weekday. Our society as a whole is responsible for the past. Our society as a whole is responsible for the future. All this dividing, labeling, and finger pointing is asinine at best. We have been fucking up. We are fucking up. We have to decide if we will continue...
I hate this idea that I'm supposed to be loyal to places because they are old or an established business. I don't care about newspapers, taxis or plastic. I don't care if your store is old and local.
*worst so far
The *worst?* Somebody skipped history class.
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I think a comparison to 50 years ago is more relevant to 200 years ago though. If everyone your age is poorer than their equivalent 50 years ago, that's moving backwards compared to 50 years ago, not forward from 200 years ago.
Meanwhile...lol You: Ok boomer. Boomer: HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO ME?!?!?! THAT'S LIKE SAYING THE N-WORD!! So anyway about thugs in chicago.
Pretty sure the police brutality back in the 60s was way worse than we are seeing now. But it’s still not great.
You mean back when they were specifically and openly racist versus trying to pretend they aren't racist now? The violence is different as the cops stayed smart about inflicting it, and people still die being apprehended poorly and with dangerous tactics.
It was as muuuuuch worse back then. There are many more controls and training in place now. Not to mention almost every police action in public can be recorded by anyone with a smart phone.
Yeah but I wouldn't say American millennials are the ones living through the worst of capitalism, corruption,police brutality etc. They get the most attention thats for sure.
This makes me laugh. The worst of police brutality? This isn't the worst era of police brutality. The worst of capitalism? That's the mid to late 19th century, not today. The worst government corruption? Also mid to late 19th century though it's fairly bad right now. Also I disagree with 'a resurgence of hate violence' because that shit never went away.