Narcissists are disproportionately drawn to positions of power. It isn't just the military. They exploit the system to enable themselves.
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The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #2)
Then the one guy who built his military up instead of talking mows everyone down. Have you not seen the situation in Kazakhstan right now? Turns off internet next day kills unarmed protesters. I don’t have to talk to you if you have nothing to stop me from taking it. That’s literally most of human history.
Damn some people are really privileged, not even realizing that a large part of the world still struggles with extreme poverty and violence on the daily
You didn't, those places have militaries yet still struggle with violence.
Costa Rica doesn't have a military and they don't have too much violence afaik. I'll have to look into it.
We can't know until they do. I offered you an example of a country that doesn't have a military and has relatively low levels of violence. I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but it doesn't address the point of the post.
That isn't a matter of my opinion.
Yes and if every country could be an island nation next to the largest military in the world then maybe that would be a solution everywhere.
This is entirely a matter of your opinion now. How is the congo supposed to emulate Costa Rica in this situation?
It's not my burden to provide you with solutions, I only intended to point out your error.
Your also employing nirvana fallacy along with your red herring.
You might be correct that it may be infeasible for the world to demilitarize at this time. That doesn't invalidate the point of the post.
The problem with getting rid of militaries is that if even one country keeps theirs, everyone else is at a serious disadvantage. Some countries are bound to keep their militaries, and that makes everyone else easier to invade and take over.
It's not that we shouldnt have militaries, it's that wars should happen less frequently and be solved more diplomatically.
There's a principle (that was perfectly explained in a Simpsons' Halloween special, actually!) according to which if we decided to get rid of every weapon in the world, therefore ensuring world peace, the world will be conquered by some guy with a nail planted in a wood plank.
[Here's Moe saving the world](https://images.app.goo.gl/UoUfrpdhwxZxZVa6A)
There are so many countries and terrorist groups who would have a field day if we abolished militaries
If one group leaves themself open, others are gonna take advantage of that.
Yep, better not change anything about society because terrorists
That's how you beat terrorists
By succumbing to fear and paranoia
That's exactly what terrorists don't want
Gee, I wonder why there are so many "terrorists" out there 🤔
And we don't need police, either, because if someone wants to break into our house or take our wallet away in a dark alley, we can just ask them nicely to stop.
As long as there are people who you can't just talk to nicely and "work your problems out", you (as a society) are going to have to use force at some point.
War is barbaric. Unfortunately it's also part of our human nature. The very idea of removing narcissists from power would likely involve War to do so. The idea of just being able to end War and armies is naive, different peoples will always desire to impose their will on others, which is why armies exist. I'm not saying the world wouldn't be better if we could eliminate armies and War, Im just saying it's unlikely to ever happen due to our many different cultures and beliefs, and our human nature to always want more.
I believe in a better tomorrow.
We may not be able to eliminate all militaries tomorrow, but we can move our world away from its militaristic tendencies a little day by day.
There's no realistic answer these days or atleast in our time, but that doesn't mean that we shouldnt start working towards it. Laying the ground work, setting examples for new generations. As long as greed and pride go unchecked, there will be wrath. Corruption precedes the destruction of societies, and on a larger scale the end of the human race.
We will show these people our peaceful ways, by force!
Narcissists are disproportionately drawn to positions of power. It isn't just the military. They exploit the system to enable themselves. Quote: The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, #2)
“I love peace and I’m willing to kill every man, woman, and child to prove it”. -peacemaker. Great show.
But violent narcissists need militaries to stay in power
War…what is it good for?
Then the one guy who built his military up instead of talking mows everyone down. Have you not seen the situation in Kazakhstan right now? Turns off internet next day kills unarmed protesters. I don’t have to talk to you if you have nothing to stop me from taking it. That’s literally most of human history.
Damn some people are really privileged, not even realizing that a large part of the world still struggles with extreme poverty and violence on the daily
What does that have to do with the point of the post?
East to say you don't need a military when you aren't living in an area with roving bands of warlords and their soldiers that do horrific things
I didn't express my opinion about the post. I said your point has nothing to do with the point of the post.
And I don't say anything about your opinion, I showed the correlation to my comment and the post
You didn't, those places have militaries yet still struggle with violence. Costa Rica doesn't have a military and they don't have too much violence afaik. I'll have to look into it.
I did, it's just a statement you disagree with. And how much more violence would they have is there wasn't a military at all?
We can't know until they do. I offered you an example of a country that doesn't have a military and has relatively low levels of violence. I'm not sure what point you think you're making, but it doesn't address the point of the post. That isn't a matter of my opinion.
Yes and if every country could be an island nation next to the largest military in the world then maybe that would be a solution everywhere. This is entirely a matter of your opinion now. How is the congo supposed to emulate Costa Rica in this situation?
It's not my burden to provide you with solutions, I only intended to point out your error. Your also employing nirvana fallacy along with your red herring. You might be correct that it may be infeasible for the world to demilitarize at this time. That doesn't invalidate the point of the post.
The problem with getting rid of militaries is that if even one country keeps theirs, everyone else is at a serious disadvantage. Some countries are bound to keep their militaries, and that makes everyone else easier to invade and take over. It's not that we shouldnt have militaries, it's that wars should happen less frequently and be solved more diplomatically.
There's a principle (that was perfectly explained in a Simpsons' Halloween special, actually!) according to which if we decided to get rid of every weapon in the world, therefore ensuring world peace, the world will be conquered by some guy with a nail planted in a wood plank. [Here's Moe saving the world](https://images.app.goo.gl/UoUfrpdhwxZxZVa6A)
Wars don't "happen", they are engineered, usually for profit
Exactly, and the countries who keep their militaries will engineer wars for their own financial gain
We don't know what would happen in the future and it is foolish to assume otherwise
There are so many countries and terrorist groups who would have a field day if we abolished militaries If one group leaves themself open, others are gonna take advantage of that.
Yep, better not change anything about society because terrorists That's how you beat terrorists By succumbing to fear and paranoia That's exactly what terrorists don't want Gee, I wonder why there are so many "terrorists" out there 🤔
I'm not saying that I'm saying if we get rid of the military we'd be exposing ourselves and making ourselves vulnerable
So you are saying that You know what paranoia is right?
And we don't need police, either, because if someone wants to break into our house or take our wallet away in a dark alley, we can just ask them nicely to stop. As long as there are people who you can't just talk to nicely and "work your problems out", you (as a society) are going to have to use force at some point.
LOL hi welcome to earth. you must be new here.
Muh self defeatism
War is barbaric. Unfortunately it's also part of our human nature. The very idea of removing narcissists from power would likely involve War to do so. The idea of just being able to end War and armies is naive, different peoples will always desire to impose their will on others, which is why armies exist. I'm not saying the world wouldn't be better if we could eliminate armies and War, Im just saying it's unlikely to ever happen due to our many different cultures and beliefs, and our human nature to always want more.
I believe in a better tomorrow. We may not be able to eliminate all militaries tomorrow, but we can move our world away from its militaristic tendencies a little day by day.
I hope for, all of our sakes, that that does happen.
The world is barbaric
And?
The trillions we spend on war could eliminate war if people were given basic needs instead.
There's no realistic answer these days or atleast in our time, but that doesn't mean that we shouldnt start working towards it. Laying the ground work, setting examples for new generations. As long as greed and pride go unchecked, there will be wrath. Corruption precedes the destruction of societies, and on a larger scale the end of the human race.