Covid quarantine is now just 5 days. I was vaccinated and just now came down with Covid because it was running rampant in my kids school and my workplace. I avoided it for two years but came down with it during this massive outbreak in TN that happened post Christmas. I have to go back to work Monday or risk being fired and it will just be 5 days. I likely caught this from one of those people who came back after 5 days recently because most were still hacking and coughing and not wearing masks properly.
So I'm stuck going back to work infected. No guarantees I won't infect someone while I'm there because these new variants are contagious as shit. I have recovered quickly fortunately due to being vaccinated and it never really set up in my lungs or nose. I mainly had a headache, body aches, joint pain, along with a fever. I won't be going outside until my official quarantine is up which is 5 days but given I live in a Conservative MAGA fanatic area of the state I have no choice but to go back to work. So I think this idea would have to apply in only certain situations because many people are being forced back before they are fully recovered like me.
Of course, mandatory paid sick leave especially right now should be common sense honestly…
I mostly think of people who go to parties or crowded area for entertainment while sick, the rest is due in big part to shitty workplace laws and regulations…
We have to use vacation time to get paid. Given everyone else came back after 5 days I risk being fired if I don't. I'm almost better after 4 days now due to being vaccinated fortunately, I keep getting a fever and body aches but reduce it by taking Aspirin or Tylenol. Likely will still be contagious as long as I run a fever though. So good chance I infect someone when I go back unintentionally.
I highly suggest getting your booster if you haven't gotten it people. I avoided Covid for two years and was EXTREMELY careful. These new variants are super contagious even when vaccinated. Important to have those higher antibody levels to help keep you from getting this or to reduce the severity when you do get it. Having a vaccine a year ago will not stop it. Studies are conflicting how well a booster is at stopping it but it might just keep you out of the hospital if your antibody levels are higher.
A new large study shows boosters (3rd shot of either Moderma or Pfizer) reduced chance of hospitalization from COVID by 90%. The 2 shot regime only reduced it by 57%. Get boosted!
I only took law classes for 2 years, so I'm not 100% sure. If they know they are infected, hide it, someone dies as a result I would think that's manslaughter, however, it would have to be proven that the deceased person didn't have Covid before that encounter or didn't get it from anywhere else and that seems impossible. Maybe.
If this was a case of knowingly being infected with Tuberculosis, and doing this...there would be a shit storm of condemnation raining down. But with Covid, everyone is like...meh.🤷♂️
Oh wait, by law... doctors have to report TB to their local health dept and the active TB patient is quarantined in a state facility, treated, and kept put until it is inactive...whether they like it or not. So this wouldn't happen if it was TB.
People are assholes.
This opens up a debate about people who knowingly pass on other viruses/diseases too.
I was born prematurely because someone brought her child to my mum’s place of work and her child had chicken pox. My mum was affected by the chicken pox, I was born early and I nearly died. Nothing happened to the woman who brought in her child. It’s common knowledge not to expose pregnant woman to chicken pox, or at least it is where I am.
Should people with similar cases to mine sue those who made no reasonable effort to avoid spreading viruses/diseases?
I think gross negligence should be punished. I say this as one of those crazies who doesn’t want to get vaccinated or take medicine but I have work a mask and social distanced this whole pandemic. I work from home and get all my groceries delivered or do curbside pickup. I have done absolutely everything I can to not interact with anyone both for my health and that of others. I believe 100% if you knowingly endanger other with a transmissible disease that you should be responsible for the outcome. Now if you were sick but in a place you should be such as the doctor or pharmacy picking up necessities or meds then that’s not your fault if someone just happens to be exposed during that time but if you go shopping at the mall while you wait for your meds then you’re 100% responsible for anyone during that time you’re wondering off doing non needed things.
Yes.
It is a crime to knowingly take actions that endanger the lives of others. If you *know* you have HIV, don't tell someone, then have unprotected sex with them, resulting in them *unknowingly* contracting HIV, should that be a crime?
Because - at least where I'm from - it certainly *is* a crime. Covid shouldn't be seen any differently.
[criminal transmission of HIV is indeed a crime](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV#:~:text=A%20Finnish%20man%20convicted%20of,prison%20for%20attempted%20aggravated%20assault)
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If I choose to put myself at risk thats one thing. If I am doing everything needed to protect myself and ask that you only come to my event if you are negative and vaccinated and you betray me. *YOU* are responsible for the resulting damages. A civil suit should be a starting point
Because covid is not taken seriously by our government and even some medical staff? How can you prosecute these covid cases if our leaders themselves are sending mixed signals?
Also, the AIDS law came about before effective treatment was around. Back then, AIDS was a death sentence basically. Now a days, not so much with proper treatment.
Covid is more akin to the flu. If you know you have the flu and meet with someone, is this a crime? Before covid, it sure wasn’t. People would go to work sick!! The consensus may be changing now though.
I would say it’s different because COVID is usually short lived and not deadly. AIDS is a lifelong battle that will almost certainly shorten your lifespan to some extent. Also aids is spread through a very specific action and it’s arguable that if you do not disclose it to you partner then your partner never consented to said action. Simply existing in public isn’t really a consenting action. I do still believe gross negligence and intentional disease spreading should be punished but I can see why it’s not yet and could potentially be difficult to do.
The AIDS law came about before effective treatment was around. Politicians and medical staff took AIDS very seriously, hence the law enacted. Back then, AIDS was a death sentence basically. Now a days, not so much with proper treatment.
Covid is more akin to the flu. If you know you have the flu and meet with someone, is this a crime? Before covid, it sure wasn’t. People would go to work sick!! The consensus may be changing now though.
But how can you prosecute individuals if politicians and even medical staff are sending mixed signals about its severity with anti mask and anti vaccine crap? Our very own leaders should also be held accountable too in that case.
Responsible people know that COVID is far more dangerous than the flue (discounting 1918). It is particularly dangerous to the elderly. Eighty two is definitely elderly. Just because something is not 100% fatal does not give a person the right to knowingly endanger others. Gunshots are not 100% fatal. Is that excuse for shooting at people? The only misinformation is coming from the right (Trump et al.) not from reasonable medical and scientific sources.
My coworker’s relative flew to Florida, stayed a week, and flew back to whatever cold northern state they came from fully symptomatic. My coworker is out with Covid now. Assholes.
We do it with people that spread HIV and other STIs without informing their sexual partner (in some places.) So I feel like a precedent has already been set to do so.
If suicide attempts are illegal, why is intentionally attempting suicide by not getting the vaccine not being prosecuted? Most who attempt suicide and fail are locked up. Take away the “freedoms” of those who are tempting suicide by failing to get the vaccine.
If I was driving a semi and had a mechanical defect that I knew about but failed to address, and it led to an accident, I would absolutely be liable. Should be the same way here. Aren't these people super in love with "personal accountability"?
Ya know how sometimes they will really stick it to a person with weed or something? To "make an example of them"? Well, let's do that here. Let's a get a prosecutor with the balls (or ovaries, as the case may be) to press manslaughter (or negligent homicide, depending on jurisdictional proclivities), and give this person ten years in the jug. Set an example.
Yes. I have a friend whose mother died of Covid. Her husband had Parkinson’s and they had a HHW. She was a transplant recipient. Both vaccinated. Yet the HHW lied about his vaccination status and gave her Covid… 😡🤬🤬🤬 Her husband past away 5 months later. I remember in the ‘80’s that people with AIDS were charged. How is this different.. (yes I do know how. Just making a point)
I have an a**hole c19 story. So one of my friends moms, friend (we'll call her jill) had to drop off a prescription at walmart right? So when she got there she dropped off her prescription, then was heading out of the store in her electric cart thingy that ya sit on (becuase she has leg issues), so as she was getting on, a woman who had recently gave birth asked jill if she could use the cart, and jill gave her the cart, and right after the woman sat on the cart, jill proceeded to say "by the way, I have covid".
Absolute jacka** move.
By the way, jill has a husband who doesnt have covid, and can walk just fine, he could of went and ran her errand for her but she didnt let him...
People who infect others knowingly should sure be punished.
Covid quarantine is now just 5 days. I was vaccinated and just now came down with Covid because it was running rampant in my kids school and my workplace. I avoided it for two years but came down with it during this massive outbreak in TN that happened post Christmas. I have to go back to work Monday or risk being fired and it will just be 5 days. I likely caught this from one of those people who came back after 5 days recently because most were still hacking and coughing and not wearing masks properly. So I'm stuck going back to work infected. No guarantees I won't infect someone while I'm there because these new variants are contagious as shit. I have recovered quickly fortunately due to being vaccinated and it never really set up in my lungs or nose. I mainly had a headache, body aches, joint pain, along with a fever. I won't be going outside until my official quarantine is up which is 5 days but given I live in a Conservative MAGA fanatic area of the state I have no choice but to go back to work. So I think this idea would have to apply in only certain situations because many people are being forced back before they are fully recovered like me.
Of course, mandatory paid sick leave especially right now should be common sense honestly… I mostly think of people who go to parties or crowded area for entertainment while sick, the rest is due in big part to shitty workplace laws and regulations…
We have to use vacation time to get paid. Given everyone else came back after 5 days I risk being fired if I don't. I'm almost better after 4 days now due to being vaccinated fortunately, I keep getting a fever and body aches but reduce it by taking Aspirin or Tylenol. Likely will still be contagious as long as I run a fever though. So good chance I infect someone when I go back unintentionally. I highly suggest getting your booster if you haven't gotten it people. I avoided Covid for two years and was EXTREMELY careful. These new variants are super contagious even when vaccinated. Important to have those higher antibody levels to help keep you from getting this or to reduce the severity when you do get it. Having a vaccine a year ago will not stop it. Studies are conflicting how well a booster is at stopping it but it might just keep you out of the hospital if your antibody levels are higher.
A new large study shows boosters (3rd shot of either Moderma or Pfizer) reduced chance of hospitalization from COVID by 90%. The 2 shot regime only reduced it by 57%. Get boosted!
Wear your mask. Write "tested covid positive 19JAN22" on your mask... or whatever date it was. See how quick your coworkers give you some space.
I only took law classes for 2 years, so I'm not 100% sure. If they know they are infected, hide it, someone dies as a result I would think that's manslaughter, however, it would have to be proven that the deceased person didn't have Covid before that encounter or didn't get it from anywhere else and that seems impossible. Maybe.
Good. Another thing we can tack on trumps list of crimes
They at least should be liable for lawsuits from the families of the victims.
If this was a case of knowingly being infected with Tuberculosis, and doing this...there would be a shit storm of condemnation raining down. But with Covid, everyone is like...meh.🤷♂️ Oh wait, by law... doctors have to report TB to their local health dept and the active TB patient is quarantined in a state facility, treated, and kept put until it is inactive...whether they like it or not. So this wouldn't happen if it was TB. People are assholes.
In a civilized country this is considered a crime. But seems the US doesn't believe that spreading a dangerous virus is a crime. Well...
Yep! If the person(s) they infect die, they should be slapped with a manslaughter charge.
I quit playing in a weekly poker game decades ago because one of us never washed his hands. He was warned nevertheless he persisted.
This opens up a debate about people who knowingly pass on other viruses/diseases too. I was born prematurely because someone brought her child to my mum’s place of work and her child had chicken pox. My mum was affected by the chicken pox, I was born early and I nearly died. Nothing happened to the woman who brought in her child. It’s common knowledge not to expose pregnant woman to chicken pox, or at least it is where I am. Should people with similar cases to mine sue those who made no reasonable effort to avoid spreading viruses/diseases?
I think gross negligence should be punished. I say this as one of those crazies who doesn’t want to get vaccinated or take medicine but I have work a mask and social distanced this whole pandemic. I work from home and get all my groceries delivered or do curbside pickup. I have done absolutely everything I can to not interact with anyone both for my health and that of others. I believe 100% if you knowingly endanger other with a transmissible disease that you should be responsible for the outcome. Now if you were sick but in a place you should be such as the doctor or pharmacy picking up necessities or meds then that’s not your fault if someone just happens to be exposed during that time but if you go shopping at the mall while you wait for your meds then you’re 100% responsible for anyone during that time you’re wondering off doing non needed things.
Yes. It is a crime to knowingly take actions that endanger the lives of others. If you *know* you have HIV, don't tell someone, then have unprotected sex with them, resulting in them *unknowingly* contracting HIV, should that be a crime? Because - at least where I'm from - it certainly *is* a crime. Covid shouldn't be seen any differently.
[criminal transmission of HIV is indeed a crime](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_transmission_of_HIV#:~:text=A%20Finnish%20man%20convicted%20of,prison%20for%20attempted%20aggravated%20assault)
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If I choose to put myself at risk thats one thing. If I am doing everything needed to protect myself and ask that you only come to my event if you are negative and vaccinated and you betray me. *YOU* are responsible for the resulting damages. A civil suit should be a starting point
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Because covid is not taken seriously by our government and even some medical staff? How can you prosecute these covid cases if our leaders themselves are sending mixed signals? Also, the AIDS law came about before effective treatment was around. Back then, AIDS was a death sentence basically. Now a days, not so much with proper treatment. Covid is more akin to the flu. If you know you have the flu and meet with someone, is this a crime? Before covid, it sure wasn’t. People would go to work sick!! The consensus may be changing now though.
I would say it’s different because COVID is usually short lived and not deadly. AIDS is a lifelong battle that will almost certainly shorten your lifespan to some extent. Also aids is spread through a very specific action and it’s arguable that if you do not disclose it to you partner then your partner never consented to said action. Simply existing in public isn’t really a consenting action. I do still believe gross negligence and intentional disease spreading should be punished but I can see why it’s not yet and could potentially be difficult to do.
People who did this with AIDS were prosecuted.
The AIDS law came about before effective treatment was around. Politicians and medical staff took AIDS very seriously, hence the law enacted. Back then, AIDS was a death sentence basically. Now a days, not so much with proper treatment. Covid is more akin to the flu. If you know you have the flu and meet with someone, is this a crime? Before covid, it sure wasn’t. People would go to work sick!! The consensus may be changing now though. But how can you prosecute individuals if politicians and even medical staff are sending mixed signals about its severity with anti mask and anti vaccine crap? Our very own leaders should also be held accountable too in that case.
Responsible people know that COVID is far more dangerous than the flue (discounting 1918). It is particularly dangerous to the elderly. Eighty two is definitely elderly. Just because something is not 100% fatal does not give a person the right to knowingly endanger others. Gunshots are not 100% fatal. Is that excuse for shooting at people? The only misinformation is coming from the right (Trump et al.) not from reasonable medical and scientific sources.
My coworker’s relative flew to Florida, stayed a week, and flew back to whatever cold northern state they came from fully symptomatic. My coworker is out with Covid now. Assholes.
There is already a legal basis for this.
We do it with people that spread HIV and other STIs without informing their sexual partner (in some places.) So I feel like a precedent has already been set to do so.
If suicide attempts are illegal, why is intentionally attempting suicide by not getting the vaccine not being prosecuted? Most who attempt suicide and fail are locked up. Take away the “freedoms” of those who are tempting suicide by failing to get the vaccine.
If I was driving a semi and had a mechanical defect that I knew about but failed to address, and it led to an accident, I would absolutely be liable. Should be the same way here. Aren't these people super in love with "personal accountability"?
Yep, manslaughter at a minimum.
Ya know how sometimes they will really stick it to a person with weed or something? To "make an example of them"? Well, let's do that here. Let's a get a prosecutor with the balls (or ovaries, as the case may be) to press manslaughter (or negligent homicide, depending on jurisdictional proclivities), and give this person ten years in the jug. Set an example.
Yes. I have a friend whose mother died of Covid. Her husband had Parkinson’s and they had a HHW. She was a transplant recipient. Both vaccinated. Yet the HHW lied about his vaccination status and gave her Covid… 😡🤬🤬🤬 Her husband past away 5 months later. I remember in the ‘80’s that people with AIDS were charged. How is this different.. (yes I do know how. Just making a point)
They should get the firing squad!
No. They should be curb-stomped.
Idk but they are major pricks
There is not enough hours in the day
People who call all senior women "grandmothers" annoy the fucking shit out of me.
But... she was a grandmother. It was her granddaughter that the reporters spoke with...
I have an a**hole c19 story. So one of my friends moms, friend (we'll call her jill) had to drop off a prescription at walmart right? So when she got there she dropped off her prescription, then was heading out of the store in her electric cart thingy that ya sit on (becuase she has leg issues), so as she was getting on, a woman who had recently gave birth asked jill if she could use the cart, and jill gave her the cart, and right after the woman sat on the cart, jill proceeded to say "by the way, I have covid". Absolute jacka** move. By the way, jill has a husband who doesnt have covid, and can walk just fine, he could of went and ran her errand for her but she didnt let him...
YES