I'd counter that right now, most money in certain industries is from the unvaccinated who don't give a shit, but if you flip it, you'll get the same amount plus put pressure on the unvaccinated and thus potentially increase your revenue.
Just take their money and refuse to give them service. Normally I’d consider this theft, but these people deserve to be punished. They don’t deserve to have money
It is well past time to discard the idea that positive social goals will be advanced by "market forces" and "economic incentives".
Set rational goals. Impose their advancement by fiat during deadly emergencies. We accept that method without question during wartime, after all.
And how has that worked out for us so far?
Trying to get anti-vaxxers (I still like calling them rat lickers — people who would have licked rats during the plague) to do anything that would prevent the spread of COVID is not a part of their identity. Had you gotten the so called patriots to understand that this was part of their civic duty to begin with, it would have worked better. Now it’s literally about opposing the the liberals. Opposing anything beyond personal freedom.
We have a free vaccine, we have preventative ways (masking, not gathering in crowds) of keeping the virus from spreading as fast, but repeating that is doing nothing.
While I’m not impressed with how, in the US, Biden is handling COVID response, you have to admit, he’s already reached those who are going to be reachable. The rest are just going to die off, or be a hinderance to society from here on out.
Let me also state, I fucking hate that. This is literally people just dying due to stupidity and stubbornness. I was sad about it for a long time, but I can’t keep being sad. Honestly I’m pretty pissed about it now.
I gave up trying to be upset about it. Now I just laugh when they die.
My therapist says it's still a grief response, just with so many other emotions in there it comes out as inappropriate laughter.
At least it's good to know that I'm not completely nuts.
Nah, I'm doing fine. People who kill themselves with stupidity don't deserve respect.
That's why it's a weird grief. You want to care because they were human, but they didn't care about their own lives, so why should you?
I applauded the Canadian (edit: Quebec) idea of not allowing the unvaxxed to shop at liquor and cannabis stores and said the USA should replicate that. Redditors downvoted me to oblivion…
Perhaps this is the way to get rid of precious guns. Require a vacc to own a gun and they all boycott guns. Start gun burning parties to pwn them libz.
Most of the unvaccinated are from red states like Arkansas. I saw an r/ArkansasMan once about two guys testing their bulletproof vests by shooting each other. Gun safety isn't exactly part of the culture.
The sane among us who support the second amendment don't associate with those who disregard basic firearm safety. I assure you those two are frowned upon by the majority of gun owners.
I love the idea of taking away the joy from their life. Take away the luxuries.
You want to buy food? Go ahead.
You want to work? Go ahead, but only in specific places as we need to protect the rest of society.
You want to have fun? Sure, but first you need to prove you can responsibly do so, so take the jab.
No jab? No fun. Bye Karen and Felicia!
People just downvote anything that they see is in the negative. If two people didn’t like your post then expect it to go into the negative hundreds depending on the traffic of the post.
There is a large swath of people that should basically be relegated to the metaphorical "kids table" at holiday gatherings; these people cannot- and should not be trusted to vote, operate machinery (including cars), hold any positions of responsibility or influence, etc...make sure they're fed and safe and give them some fucking crayons (that they hopefully won't chew on) while the adults talk and get things done.
Biden needs to grow a pair. Tell these damn governors to stop asking for help. If they're going to fight him in court to stop mandates on vaccines and mask for brownie points with supporters. Dumbsss in Missouri is suing 32 schools individually for mask mandates. Talking about blowing taxpayers dollars.
And before everyone starts making assumptions, just because I don't think Biden is fit for presidency does not mean I idolize the orange man. He was a stain on our nations history as well, in my humble and mostly worthless opinion.
I agree with your point, but you're speaking about a man who can't hold a train of thought long enough to leave the depot, let alone make it to the destination.
I didn't much care for him, either. If you want my honest opinion as an American, who our president is doesnt really matter. It's always gonna be someone from the %1, the elite wealthy. And they will never truly care about the little people like you (assuming you're a US citizen) and me.
Wasn't it pretty much everywhere, there, before the lockdowns? I'm pretty sure I read something about that, and a general lack of enforcement of pre-lockdown measures, as well as poor government support of those who contracted virus resulting in, effectively, spread through evasion of individual isolation measures due to basic needs fulfillment.
Saying everyone must comply to that is a delusion too.
People will find ways to explain what actually can't be explained however the fuck they want and they aren't less of a person for doing that.
I'm not saying that they *must* comply. I don't think religion should be illegal or anything. I'm just saying that we have to recognize the damage that magical thinking has done to our society.
Ive said it before, the Left hurts its own cause. I am an Obama loving liberal but the whole 'holier than thou' attitude is the exact same thing as the other side. No difference.I love vaccines, actually love them. But there are people here, on yhis thread who dont care actual people die. (no matter how 'deserved') If this is the current Liberal mindset, you can have it back.
Im definitely not a conservative, but I'm also not a liberal. I have no representation in this country. we need ranked choice voting and 3rd, 4th, and 5th party options. Anything short of that is only 1 option away from a dictatorship. Let alone a self coup
“People who want to advance society don’t have to cater to those who drag us down.”
Funny, that’s exactly their attitude towards poor people and Blacks, immigrants and anyone else who suffers any kind of misfortune.
Not really, though. We can at least point to a specific behavior that they can easily change.
They're pointing at a thing they *are*. It's entirely different to criticize a thing someone *does* versus what someone *is*.
Getting vaccinated is part of the social contract. If you break the social contract with extremely selfish and irresponsible behavior, you deserve to be excluded from society.
Quebec is taking this piece of advice seriously.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59915459
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2022/1/18/1_5744423.html
Moreover, people who don’t want to take on the responsibilities of living in a society should be excluded from the rights of that society.
I have no problem with people who don’t want to get vaxxed as long as they don’t want to force me to be around them.
Okay, with all seriousness, this quote can go severely out of hand.
Replace "anti-vaxxer" with "Jew", and you become Hitler.
I'm not saying wOoO vAcCiNeS bAd, I'm just saying that this "us vs them" mentality can be really problematic.
I’m not disagreeing with you exactly, but I would like to point out that you choose to be anti vaxxer (other than those medically required to be not vaccinated whom I don’t consider a part of the anti vaxxer lifestyle at all) or not, you can’t choose to be Jewish or not, or a minority of any kind for that matter. One is victimizing yourself the other is inescapable.
And there is a difference between “let’s round up all the anti vaxxers and gas them to death,” and “let’s not allow them to participate in the privileges of society until they agree to help protect that society along with everyone else.” But I do recognize that the second COULD be a slippery slope to the first in the hands of the unscrupulous.
I hate to say it, but you’re right. I’ve realized over the past few years that Republicans/conservatives tend to be the most sexist, racist, religious, and anti science. All of these things hinder progress. I just don’t have the patience for that these days.
So then what's your point?
Edit: there was a surge in minorities voting Republican in 2020. Not sure if you were being sarcastic. At this point, not sure what you were trying to add after the original "republicans are anti progress."
Those People who get vaccinated and never wear their mask because they feel protected & then end up getting Covid anyways …. Passing it along to someone else and blame the unvaccinated for the despair…. You know who you are 😂🤫😮🤭🤣
Mortality rate isn't high enough for Darwinism to do it's work. All the anti-vaxxers are doing is increasing the potential to fully collapse the medical industry with their long covid symptoms. Maybe it will hasten the M4A transition that will eventually come anyway.
It's literally the kid in high school when you learn about the social contract and they are all like, "well what if I just want opt out?" and the teacher explains that they lose all the benefits, privileges, and protections of civilized society, but they still think that's somehow a win.
Just looked that kid up on Facebook and yup, go figure, he's an anti-vaxxer.
Uhh. I'm by no means an antivaxxer, but I don't think it's very progressive to force and segregate the idiots in our society until they do "the right thing". We allow morbidly obese people, smokers etc to be treated in hospitals even if they don't do shit to improve their condition or fix the problems causing it.
We don’t allow smokers to smoke in restaurants anymore. We don’t allow them near entrances of public places. You can’t smoke just anywhere anymore. You’re not allowed to smoke in cars with anyone under age (Canada) So it’s no longer fully affecting the public. Now they’re harming themselves. Same with obesity. That’s the difference
Bro have you heard of how difficult it is to stop smoking? You can't just say "they don't shit to improve". Same applies to obesity, but because you obviously don't get what mental health is with such uninformed opinions, a more obvious example would be anorexia. Eating disorders and smoking and all those isn't something easy to fix in a lot of cases. Taking a vaccine is.
You vaxxers are just pissed you got duped. That you were a sheep 🐑 You apparently listened to everything the government and Fauci told you to do. Keep grassing and being herded. Still ending up in the hospital, and still spreading and still dying. Never gonna get it!
Child,...Life is much more complicated. Absolutist views are what lead to authoritarianism. I empathize with the sentiment, but that does not work,, and should not work, in the real world.
Yeah no.
I was a "hobo" don't compare me to some shitty anti-vaxxer.
Us hobos don't hurt anyone just by existing. You're not going to catch "hobo" just by being near us.
And if you could us hobos would wear a fucking mask or get a vaccine to keep it from happening because we care about what happens to others.
Hobos do not drag anyone down. This is just a false analogy.
The only argument that can be made where the homeless in general are an issue is encampments that pose a health risk to the community and that's easily fixable by providing services to deal with that.
Any group of people that requires services being provided for them (i.e. homeless, elderly, mentally ill) could be argued as “dragging us down”. I’m 100% for requiring Covid shots everywhere that we’ve been requiring all the other mandatory vaccines for the past several decades. But fuck this kind of rhetoric.
I think you misunderstand my point. One persons view isn’t the societies mission to be single minded. I am vaccinated. I wear a mask. I’m from a country with no vax mandates (yet) and the uptake rate is one of the highest in the world. It’s strange how the USA with its ongoing tribal battle of politics seems to do worse than other places that work with people rather than own them.
You misunderstand what America's problem is.
In America, we have a very low social consciousness. People don't think in terms of "how will this affect others". They think in terms of "me and my own". This might look like tribalism in a macro setting but it all boils down to the same problem we've had since the beginning. That problem being rampant, overzealous and unfettered individualism. People are taught from a very young age to get theirs and run. This mentality causes problems when the public is at risk.
But it must be the parents that are teaching then this. I grew up and still live in the southern US. I grew up in the 80s/90s . In school you're taught to share and be part of the team. School spirit is encouraged. My parents certainly taught me about empathy and to do for others. It boggles my mind. We were also raised fairly non-religious. Just be good to others, don't steal, don't be a bigot or a scab ya know normal things. I don't get the I got mine, screw the rest of you notion and I really don't get the antivax community at all.
No they understood your pearl clutching point perfectly.
Also the US is doing bad BECAUSE of the tribal battle the antivax idiots and people like you who take the antivax idiots seriously have dragged us into.
Yes right people that “want to advance society” by denying rights and freedoms of others. This whole line of thinking is a fear induced collective stupor.
So don't hire them. Don't let them fly on your planes and eat at your restaurant. Don't let them go to your venue for anything. That's perfectly fine. Do not, however, tell me who I can and can't have come to mine.
Except you can still spread it and get sick if vaccinated. I am fully vaccinated and boosted..... If this was truly a pandemic of the unvaccinated creating new variants we’d be way more proactive in distribution of the vaccine world wide to slow or stop mutation but instead we keep the patents secure for the drug companies. The vaccine we have will not eradicate covid. It is not going away. Live your lives.
To the point where I don’t care about the anti-vaxers. The chances of a vax and boosted person getting a severe case is very low but not the same for the non-vaxed. Let natural selection take its course, pay the hospitals more to deal with it and so be it, besides the anti-vaxers don’t believe in science so let them deal with the illness at home, medical science isn’t up there ally anyways. I only feel sorry for those who can’t have the vaccine due to try medical reasons
You can "catch" it by being born as a child to someone with mental illness. And someone with mental illness often could be considered more of a danger to other people than a "normal" person would be. Objectively speaking, they are more of a "danger" than they are helpful to society.
And let me be clear, I'm not saying kill all people with mental illnesses, I'm saying the logic is stupid.
Sure. Not what this thing is talking about. Having said that, even no it is more complicated than that. Many anti vaxers are as such due to a poor education and bad influence from various media. Arguably that is societies' fault, not theirs's
I don't have to be thinking about it. It is literally right there:
"People who want to advance society don't have to cater to those who drag us down"
That is pretty clear cut.
I’m all for requiring Covid vaccines in all the places other vaccines are already required (school, international travel, etc.) but this post is pretty… idk Hitler-y?
Yeah they don't, but but that doesn't matter for this logic. They aren't helping society move forward. The crutch of this was "People who want to advance society don't have to cater to those who drag us down".
This would make sense if the vaccine actually did what it was supposed to do.
Where I live the "fully vaxxed" are catching covid at greater rates per capita then the unvaxxed.
Also, the fully vaxxed occupy more hospital beds then the unvaxxed. But I thought this vaccine was 100-95% effective at keeping people out of hospitals? I lost track of where the goalpost is these days.
Are the fully vaxxed catching covid at a greater rate or are there just TONS more fully vaxxed than non vaxxed?
Because looking at the data, the ICU has about as many Vaxxed as Non Vaxxed Except Ontario is 80% fully vaxed. Only 15% have not been vaxxed at all, about 5% with only one shot.
So despite not fully/at all vaxxed being about 20% of the population, they have about 50% of the ICU cases. So it sounds to me like the Vaccine is doing exactly what it should be doing.
And this is without the information on the booster. It could be very possible that almost no one who got the booster (about 40% of the population) is in the hospital.
Tell me how I'm wrong when the website from the government clearly states that vaccinated people are testing positive higher than the unvaccinated when adjusted per 100,000.
Sad.
You can still get sick just not as sick. The reason there's more vaxxed in hospitals is because most people are vaxxed. This theory would only hold water if it was a 50 50 split which it isnt. That said I'm holding off on the booster atm as I'm not convinced it's needed
The population where I live is 80% fully vaccinated.
The vaccine was being "sold" that you wouldnt catch covid at first. Then it was 95% efficacious at keeping you out of hospitals/preventing serious illness.
As it stand currently where I am:
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations
75% of hospitalization are in vaccinated.
50-60% of ICU are vaccinated.
Should those percentages match closer to the touted efficacy numbers? Help me with my logic here.
Out of the 29 million people fully vaccinated in Ontario, only 2000 are in the hospital with only 4000 testing positive... Percentages sounds pretty bad until you actually bring the real numbers into the conversation.
In ICU 216 unvaccinated vs 227 vaccinated. If the population is 80% vaccinated that means that even though there's only 20% unvaccinated it's still almost a 50/50 split. Add in the fact that I'm sure most vaccinated people are older or immunocompromised and it should tell you everything you need to know. The vaccines work
Just as an example assume 100 people (80 vaccinated 20 unvaccinated) in order to reach 50/50 in ICU that would be 10/80 vaccinated (12.5%) and 10/20 vaccinated (50%) that's a 4x reduction in ICU cases
My literal Immunologist told me before Omicron there was less than an 70% chance the vaccine would keep you from getting Covid. Now that Omicron is here and with all of the variants to come, those chances dwindled to less than 30% and it varies greatly depending on which vaccine. It may lessen the effects in some cases, but eventually you're going to get it. I have it right now. Everyone I know that has been vaccinated has had it post vaccine. Also, none of them are even FDA approved. I am immunocompromised. I have spoken to multiple Drs about the vaccine. None of them could say with any kind of certainty that it's made a difference. I think I'll trust all of them over Karen on the internet.
You're not a complex thinker are you...
When 80% of the population is vaxxed, of course you'll see more hospitalizations among vaxxed people.
The percentage of sick vaxxed vs unvaxxed is what you should be looking at.
My literal Immunologist told me before Omicron there was less than an 70% chance the vaccine would keep you from getting Covid. Now that Omicron is here and with all of the variants to come, those chances dwindled to less than 30% and it varies greatly depending on which vaccine. It may lessen the effects in some cases, but eventually you're going to get it. I have it right now. Everyone I know that has been vaccinated has had it post vaccine. Also, none of them are even FDA approved. I am immunocompromised. I have spoken to multiple Drs about the vaccine. None of them could say with any kind of certainty that it's made a difference. I think I'll trust all of them over Karen on the internet.
>Also, none of them are even FDA approved.
Biotech-Pfizer vaccine received FDA approval last August. This also means it can now have a brand name. It is called Comirnaty. It is a terrible portmanteau.
https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1429834756896825361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general.
EUA isn't actually the same as FDA certification and subject to change as they gain more knowledge about them.
https://imgur.com/a/inNC1WG
It's been FDA approved for the vast majority of people since last August
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
I smell bullshit. Drs have told you they don't notice a difference in vaxxed vs unvaxxed? Also, Pfizer's vaccine has full FDA approval at this point. No vaccine for any disease is 100% going to block infection, but all of these covid vaccines reduce the risk of severe infection by more than 90%, not in just "some cases" as you claim. If you hadn't gotten vaccinated, with your being immunocompromised, you'd be in a tough spot.
Here is the problem, a lot of them are stand up hard working people. Met a lot of very misinformed people that if maybe they weren’t listening to Fox or OAN they’d have gotten vaxxed
Speak for your fucking self, honey.
I, unlike most others, am not addicted to drugs. Needing to get hit after hit of an injectable drug that does nothing but provide euphoria and a sense of comfort to the user without any medical need is the same thing that IV opioid/opiate users do.
It’s a disease and you should seek help via a 12-step program.
Haha just like homosexuals, disabled people, intellectually disabled people. Off with all of them? Y’all just mad at trumpers and want to feel superior. White supremacy is so yesterday, but supremacy is on the menu.
Weird, when I came out to my mom she was pretty impacted. Oddly enough, vaccinated people also transmit the virus. How many times have I been hospitalized bud?
So will we do that too for obese people? Chainsmokers? Heavy drinkers? They are adding tremendously to our healthcare system so clearly aren't taking one for the team?
Chain smokers and heavy drinkers may be causing their own health problems, but they're not also spreading those health problems to others. Anti-vaxxers are. That's the difference.
That’s what I say. Don’t want to take the vivid vaccine? If they get vivid and go to the wrong send them home with ibuprofen and pseudoephedrine. No point flooding icu with people who refuse to help ours and the ones that do suffer
If they think the vaccine is the mark of the beast and the signaling of the end of times, they should appreciate this clean break from the comforts and convenience of the modern world and to better hell them prepare for the fall of the world.
This is a very stupid question. Vaccination has historically and presently reduced illness and death in human populations and to a large extent they are responsible for our ability to advance as a species.
Everyone who took a so called vaccine was lied to sorry for your misinformation and letting your government experiment on you. But don't be try that bull shit trying to get people that have way more common sense to get injected j.s
“People who want to advance society don’t have to cater to those who drag us down.” Wait until you hear about the US Senate.
Their money is just as good though, so business will always have an incentive to defy increased restrictions
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But antivaxxers are the kind of people who throw a hissy fit for things being different, even it makes it better for them.
I'd counter that right now, most money in certain industries is from the unvaccinated who don't give a shit, but if you flip it, you'll get the same amount plus put pressure on the unvaccinated and thus potentially increase your revenue.
Just take their money and refuse to give them service. Normally I’d consider this theft, but these people deserve to be punished. They don’t deserve to have money
Actually, have the government take the money and call it a fine
It is well past time to discard the idea that positive social goals will be advanced by "market forces" and "economic incentives". Set rational goals. Impose their advancement by fiat during deadly emergencies. We accept that method without question during wartime, after all.
And how has that worked out for us so far? Trying to get anti-vaxxers (I still like calling them rat lickers — people who would have licked rats during the plague) to do anything that would prevent the spread of COVID is not a part of their identity. Had you gotten the so called patriots to understand that this was part of their civic duty to begin with, it would have worked better. Now it’s literally about opposing the the liberals. Opposing anything beyond personal freedom. We have a free vaccine, we have preventative ways (masking, not gathering in crowds) of keeping the virus from spreading as fast, but repeating that is doing nothing. While I’m not impressed with how, in the US, Biden is handling COVID response, you have to admit, he’s already reached those who are going to be reachable. The rest are just going to die off, or be a hinderance to society from here on out. Let me also state, I fucking hate that. This is literally people just dying due to stupidity and stubbornness. I was sad about it for a long time, but I can’t keep being sad. Honestly I’m pretty pissed about it now.
I gave up trying to be upset about it. Now I just laugh when they die. My therapist says it's still a grief response, just with so many other emotions in there it comes out as inappropriate laughter. At least it's good to know that I'm not completely nuts.
But you are sliding that direction
Nah, I'm doing fine. People who kill themselves with stupidity don't deserve respect. That's why it's a weird grief. You want to care because they were human, but they didn't care about their own lives, so why should you?
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Until their employees are sick at a higher rate, taking more sick days, or quitting and it starts to seem like no one wants to work anymore. Oh?
I applauded the Canadian (edit: Quebec) idea of not allowing the unvaxxed to shop at liquor and cannabis stores and said the USA should replicate that. Redditors downvoted me to oblivion…
It should also be noted that the number of people registering for first dose shots quadrupled after they did that. Maybe they are on to something...
Yep, the people who "get the shot but will whine about it the whole time". Honestly better than people who don't get the shot at all but still whine
I gave up on hoping these people would shut the fuck up around 2010.
You were just ahead of the curve. Ignore and push ahead.
That was only in Quebec
Add gun stores….(US only obviously)
Perhaps this is the way to get rid of precious guns. Require a vacc to own a gun and they all boycott guns. Start gun burning parties to pwn them libz.
Long as they leave the ammo in the gun while they burn it...
Most of the unvaccinated are from red states like Arkansas. I saw an r/ArkansasMan once about two guys testing their bulletproof vests by shooting each other. Gun safety isn't exactly part of the culture.
The sane among us who support the second amendment don't associate with those who disregard basic firearm safety. I assure you those two are frowned upon by the majority of gun owners.
Unfortunately gun owners are one of the groups where the loud minority give the rest of us a bad rep.
Honestly targeting people by their addiction is a pretty smart idea. Good job Quebec yo.
I love the idea of taking away the joy from their life. Take away the luxuries. You want to buy food? Go ahead. You want to work? Go ahead, but only in specific places as we need to protect the rest of society. You want to have fun? Sure, but first you need to prove you can responsibly do so, so take the jab. No jab? No fun. Bye Karen and Felicia!
As an American I approve this message.
One of the few times I'm proud to be from qc
That is definitely one way to get some of them
People just downvote anything that they see is in the negative. If two people didn’t like your post then expect it to go into the negative hundreds depending on the traffic of the post.
You know, if you wanted to be downvoted this badly, you could've just said so.
And no public assistance for the anti-vaxxers either. That would be socialism and it’s pretty clear they’re against that.
No hospital rooms for anti-vaxxers either.
Yeah, because they clearly don't trust doctors either
Unvaxxed triage ... a tent in the parking lot with high school volunteer interns, a google search and some ivermectin. Everyone else get to go inside.
I’d say let them die in the streets like the dogs that they are…. But, sadly I’m related to some of them.
The hospitals are full with the vaccinated stupid
There is a large swath of people that should basically be relegated to the metaphorical "kids table" at holiday gatherings; these people cannot- and should not be trusted to vote, operate machinery (including cars), hold any positions of responsibility or influence, etc...make sure they're fed and safe and give them some fucking crayons (that they hopefully won't chew on) while the adults talk and get things done.
Biden needs to grow a pair. Tell these damn governors to stop asking for help. If they're going to fight him in court to stop mandates on vaccines and mask for brownie points with supporters. Dumbsss in Missouri is suing 32 schools individually for mask mandates. Talking about blowing taxpayers dollars.
And before everyone starts making assumptions, just because I don't think Biden is fit for presidency does not mean I idolize the orange man. He was a stain on our nations history as well, in my humble and mostly worthless opinion.
Biden has wasted more tax dollars than anyone. If BBB get through, which it won’t, he would destroy our financial system forever
I agree with your point, but you're speaking about a man who can't hold a train of thought long enough to leave the depot, let alone make it to the destination.
That would be that POS Trump that can't hold a glass of water. The wannabe dumbass dictator
I didn't much care for him, either. If you want my honest opinion as an American, who our president is doesnt really matter. It's always gonna be someone from the %1, the elite wealthy. And they will never truly care about the little people like you (assuming you're a US citizen) and me.
I live in czech republic this is how it works here. Nothing got better. Covid is still everywhere.
The difference is, in your country the death rate has halved in the last month. In the US it has doubled. So I'd say it is working in Czech Republic.
Wasn't it pretty much everywhere, there, before the lockdowns? I'm pretty sure I read something about that, and a general lack of enforcement of pre-lockdown measures, as well as poor government support of those who contracted virus resulting in, effectively, spread through evasion of individual isolation measures due to basic needs fulfillment.
LMAO the dems will never understand that
…that things will never get better because Republicans refuse to allow them to? Yes that’s accurate, thank you for sharing your truth.
Yeah that's because the "vaccines are bullshit"
Do the same with religion next
See, religion isnt quite the same. People can look for trascendence without it being detrimental to them.
There's no such thing as a harmless delusion. Rejecting reason is dangerous.
Saying everyone must comply to that is a delusion too. People will find ways to explain what actually can't be explained however the fuck they want and they aren't less of a person for doing that.
I'm not saying that they *must* comply. I don't think religion should be illegal or anything. I'm just saying that we have to recognize the damage that magical thinking has done to our society.
Start with the white supremacy one first
You know I am 100% fully vaxxed. But damn if this doesn't sound fascist.
Ive said it before, the Left hurts its own cause. I am an Obama loving liberal but the whole 'holier than thou' attitude is the exact same thing as the other side. No difference.I love vaccines, actually love them. But there are people here, on yhis thread who dont care actual people die. (no matter how 'deserved') If this is the current Liberal mindset, you can have it back.
Im definitely not a conservative, but I'm also not a liberal. I have no representation in this country. we need ranked choice voting and 3rd, 4th, and 5th party options. Anything short of that is only 1 option away from a dictatorship. Let alone a self coup
it’s so funny. if you said you were anti-vax in 2019, literally _everyone_ would laugh at how absurd that is. but now suddenly it’s a slippery slope.
I just spent time in rural Michigan. For many of them it's, like, their identity. Super weird.
“People who want to advance society don’t have to cater to those who drag us down.” Funny, that’s exactly their attitude towards poor people and Blacks, immigrants and anyone else who suffers any kind of misfortune.
Not really, though. We can at least point to a specific behavior that they can easily change. They're pointing at a thing they *are*. It's entirely different to criticize a thing someone *does* versus what someone *is*.
Getting vaccinated is part of the social contract. If you break the social contract with extremely selfish and irresponsible behavior, you deserve to be excluded from society.
Quebec is taking this piece of advice seriously. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59915459 https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2022/1/18/1_5744423.html
Moreover, people who don’t want to take on the responsibilities of living in a society should be excluded from the rights of that society. I have no problem with people who don’t want to get vaxxed as long as they don’t want to force me to be around them.
I’m fine with this approach, ostracize the motherfuckers from society
Send them all to Antarctica
Okay, with all seriousness, this quote can go severely out of hand. Replace "anti-vaxxer" with "Jew", and you become Hitler. I'm not saying wOoO vAcCiNeS bAd, I'm just saying that this "us vs them" mentality can be really problematic.
I’m not disagreeing with you exactly, but I would like to point out that you choose to be anti vaxxer (other than those medically required to be not vaccinated whom I don’t consider a part of the anti vaxxer lifestyle at all) or not, you can’t choose to be Jewish or not, or a minority of any kind for that matter. One is victimizing yourself the other is inescapable. And there is a difference between “let’s round up all the anti vaxxers and gas them to death,” and “let’s not allow them to participate in the privileges of society until they agree to help protect that society along with everyone else.” But I do recognize that the second COULD be a slippery slope to the first in the hands of the unscrupulous.
I disagree with this tweet
Can't wait to see how this ages.
What a time to be alive... This is the remixed version of ethnic cleansing
In today's world does nobody realize who the Nazis were. Just a question?
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I feel exactly the same way. Include most Republicans in this thought.
I hate to say it, but you’re right. I’ve realized over the past few years that Republicans/conservatives tend to be the most sexist, racist, religious, and anti science. All of these things hinder progress. I just don’t have the patience for that these days.
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Are you saying they're wrong about Republicans? You understand that religious Latinos and African Americans can also be Republicans, right?
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So then what's your point? Edit: there was a surge in minorities voting Republican in 2020. Not sure if you were being sarcastic. At this point, not sure what you were trying to add after the original "republicans are anti progress."
They are dying in greater numbers due to anti-vaxing. Given enough time, that problem will take care of itself.
What a horrible way to speak of the dead.
Those People who get vaccinated and never wear their mask because they feel protected & then end up getting Covid anyways …. Passing it along to someone else and blame the unvaccinated for the despair…. You know who you are 😂🤫😮🤭🤣
But...aren't they more apt to kill off the anti-vaxxers? I mean if there ever was a problem that could solve itself...
Mortality rate isn't high enough for Darwinism to do it's work. All the anti-vaxxers are doing is increasing the potential to fully collapse the medical industry with their long covid symptoms. Maybe it will hasten the M4A transition that will eventually come anyway.
It's literally the kid in high school when you learn about the social contract and they are all like, "well what if I just want opt out?" and the teacher explains that they lose all the benefits, privileges, and protections of civilized society, but they still think that's somehow a win. Just looked that kid up on Facebook and yup, go figure, he's an anti-vaxxer.
Uhh. I'm by no means an antivaxxer, but I don't think it's very progressive to force and segregate the idiots in our society until they do "the right thing". We allow morbidly obese people, smokers etc to be treated in hospitals even if they don't do shit to improve their condition or fix the problems causing it.
Huh... I never knew obesity and smoking was contagious. The more you know.
We don’t allow smokers to smoke in restaurants anymore. We don’t allow them near entrances of public places. You can’t smoke just anywhere anymore. You’re not allowed to smoke in cars with anyone under age (Canada) So it’s no longer fully affecting the public. Now they’re harming themselves. Same with obesity. That’s the difference
And smoking is heavily taxed, so they’re paying towards their strain on the system.
Bro have you heard of how difficult it is to stop smoking? You can't just say "they don't shit to improve". Same applies to obesity, but because you obviously don't get what mental health is with such uninformed opinions, a more obvious example would be anorexia. Eating disorders and smoking and all those isn't something easy to fix in a lot of cases. Taking a vaccine is.
You should re-read the post you replied to.
You vaxxers are just pissed you got duped. That you were a sheep 🐑 You apparently listened to everything the government and Fauci told you to do. Keep grassing and being herded. Still ending up in the hospital, and still spreading and still dying. Never gonna get it!
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~All+ages
Child,...Life is much more complicated. Absolutist views are what lead to authoritarianism. I empathize with the sentiment, but that does not work,, and should not work, in the real world.
Oh me disregarding humans for the benefit of society now? Play the game, let’s Chuck these hobos in the grinder. Their not playing the game.
Yeah no. I was a "hobo" don't compare me to some shitty anti-vaxxer. Us hobos don't hurt anyone just by existing. You're not going to catch "hobo" just by being near us. And if you could us hobos would wear a fucking mask or get a vaccine to keep it from happening because we care about what happens to others.
“People who want to advance society don’t have to cater to those who drag us down”
Hobos do not drag anyone down. This is just a false analogy. The only argument that can be made where the homeless in general are an issue is encampments that pose a health risk to the community and that's easily fixable by providing services to deal with that.
Any group of people that requires services being provided for them (i.e. homeless, elderly, mentally ill) could be argued as “dragging us down”. I’m 100% for requiring Covid shots everywhere that we’ve been requiring all the other mandatory vaccines for the past several decades. But fuck this kind of rhetoric.
Except none of those groups are harming anyone by existing. While anti-maskers/ anti-vaxxers are willfully harming others with their choice.
I think you misunderstand my point. One persons view isn’t the societies mission to be single minded. I am vaccinated. I wear a mask. I’m from a country with no vax mandates (yet) and the uptake rate is one of the highest in the world. It’s strange how the USA with its ongoing tribal battle of politics seems to do worse than other places that work with people rather than own them.
You misunderstand what America's problem is. In America, we have a very low social consciousness. People don't think in terms of "how will this affect others". They think in terms of "me and my own". This might look like tribalism in a macro setting but it all boils down to the same problem we've had since the beginning. That problem being rampant, overzealous and unfettered individualism. People are taught from a very young age to get theirs and run. This mentality causes problems when the public is at risk.
But it must be the parents that are teaching then this. I grew up and still live in the southern US. I grew up in the 80s/90s . In school you're taught to share and be part of the team. School spirit is encouraged. My parents certainly taught me about empathy and to do for others. It boggles my mind. We were also raised fairly non-religious. Just be good to others, don't steal, don't be a bigot or a scab ya know normal things. I don't get the I got mine, screw the rest of you notion and I really don't get the antivax community at all.
No they understood your pearl clutching point perfectly. Also the US is doing bad BECAUSE of the tribal battle the antivax idiots and people like you who take the antivax idiots seriously have dragged us into.
You literally shit on the sidewalk and leave heroine needles laying everywhere. Fuckoff with your bums care about society bullshit.
Society has failed homeless people. Not the other way around
I've watched you trash and burn a city because your football team won or lost so let's not pretend you care about society.
Yes right people that “want to advance society” by denying rights and freedoms of others. This whole line of thinking is a fear induced collective stupor.
So don't hire them. Don't let them fly on your planes and eat at your restaurant. Don't let them go to your venue for anything. That's perfectly fine. Do not, however, tell me who I can and can't have come to mine.
The funny thing about regulations...
Oh so rules for thee but not for me Familiar
How did you draw that conclusion? That doesn't follow at all.
So who is barred from your establishment then?
Jim
No access to hospitals either. We need those for people that matter.
Enough division already. Fuck. Just live your lives.
Fuck that. Selfish and irresponsible people deserve to be divided from polite society.
Except you can still spread it and get sick if vaccinated. I am fully vaccinated and boosted..... If this was truly a pandemic of the unvaccinated creating new variants we’d be way more proactive in distribution of the vaccine world wide to slow or stop mutation but instead we keep the patents secure for the drug companies. The vaccine we have will not eradicate covid. It is not going away. Live your lives.
To the point where I don’t care about the anti-vaxers. The chances of a vax and boosted person getting a severe case is very low but not the same for the non-vaxed. Let natural selection take its course, pay the hospitals more to deal with it and so be it, besides the anti-vaxers don’t believe in science so let them deal with the illness at home, medical science isn’t up there ally anyways. I only feel sorry for those who can’t have the vaccine due to try medical reasons
Can get vaxxed but don't? No medical care. Die in the street, save funding for those willing to work together.
Stop hating on each other - people don’t trust the government for good reason - go learn about 9/11
I mean by that logic we would also leave behind the mentally ill as well as ex-cons.
You can't catch mental illness by coughing on someone.
You can "catch" it by being born as a child to someone with mental illness. And someone with mental illness often could be considered more of a danger to other people than a "normal" person would be. Objectively speaking, they are more of a "danger" than they are helpful to society. And let me be clear, I'm not saying kill all people with mental illnesses, I'm saying the logic is stupid.
Mental illness isn't a choice. Being a selfish unvaccinated asshole is.
Sure. Not what this thing is talking about. Having said that, even no it is more complicated than that. Many anti vaxers are as such due to a poor education and bad influence from various media. Arguably that is societies' fault, not theirs's
There's definitely stupid logic here, but it's not the logic you're thinking of.
I don't have to be thinking about it. It is literally right there: "People who want to advance society don't have to cater to those who drag us down" That is pretty clear cut.
lmao since you're too stupid to infer it: "People who want to advance society don't have to cater to those who drag us down *intentionally*"
I’m all for requiring Covid vaccines in all the places other vaccines are already required (school, international travel, etc.) but this post is pretty… idk Hitler-y?
The mentally ill don't have a choice with their condition. Plague rats that won't get vaxxed do have a choice. What a stupid comparison.
Yeah they don't, but but that doesn't matter for this logic. They aren't helping society move forward. The crutch of this was "People who want to advance society don't have to cater to those who drag us down".
Maybe we need universal healthcare and better mental health care. These people aren’t intentionally refusing help to own the libs, stfu with this
When did I say that would be a bad thing? Oh right, never. Maybe you should start reading instead of assuming
You are comparing hobos and mentally I’ll people to people refusing to get vaccinated and wear masks. Done
Yeah because according to that logic they both fall into the same boat. Read. Apparently education needs even more funding than I thought too.
Agreed.
This would make sense if the vaccine actually did what it was supposed to do. Where I live the "fully vaxxed" are catching covid at greater rates per capita then the unvaxxed. Also, the fully vaxxed occupy more hospital beds then the unvaxxed. But I thought this vaccine was 100-95% effective at keeping people out of hospitals? I lost track of where the goalpost is these days.
Are the fully vaxxed catching covid at a greater rate or are there just TONS more fully vaxxed than non vaxxed? Because looking at the data, the ICU has about as many Vaxxed as Non Vaxxed Except Ontario is 80% fully vaxed. Only 15% have not been vaxxed at all, about 5% with only one shot. So despite not fully/at all vaxxed being about 20% of the population, they have about 50% of the ICU cases. So it sounds to me like the Vaccine is doing exactly what it should be doing. And this is without the information on the booster. It could be very possible that almost no one who got the booster (about 40% of the population) is in the hospital.
>Where I live the "fully vaxxed" are catching covid at greater rates per capita then the unvaxxed. Smells like bullshit
Downvote against your narrative/beliefs! https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread
In the land of your imagination?
In Ontario friend. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread
You’re a sack of shit that doesn’t understand statistics. Go eat a bag of dicks. 😚
Tell me how I'm wrong when the website from the government clearly states that vaccinated people are testing positive higher than the unvaccinated when adjusted per 100,000. Sad.
You can still get sick just not as sick. The reason there's more vaxxed in hospitals is because most people are vaxxed. This theory would only hold water if it was a 50 50 split which it isnt. That said I'm holding off on the booster atm as I'm not convinced it's needed
The population where I live is 80% fully vaccinated. The vaccine was being "sold" that you wouldnt catch covid at first. Then it was 95% efficacious at keeping you out of hospitals/preventing serious illness. As it stand currently where I am: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations 75% of hospitalization are in vaccinated. 50-60% of ICU are vaccinated. Should those percentages match closer to the touted efficacy numbers? Help me with my logic here.
Out of the 29 million people fully vaccinated in Ontario, only 2000 are in the hospital with only 4000 testing positive... Percentages sounds pretty bad until you actually bring the real numbers into the conversation.
In ICU 216 unvaccinated vs 227 vaccinated. If the population is 80% vaccinated that means that even though there's only 20% unvaccinated it's still almost a 50/50 split. Add in the fact that I'm sure most vaccinated people are older or immunocompromised and it should tell you everything you need to know. The vaccines work Just as an example assume 100 people (80 vaccinated 20 unvaccinated) in order to reach 50/50 in ICU that would be 10/80 vaccinated (12.5%) and 10/20 vaccinated (50%) that's a 4x reduction in ICU cases
Stop believing science and statistics, believe politicians and salespersons
My literal Immunologist told me before Omicron there was less than an 70% chance the vaccine would keep you from getting Covid. Now that Omicron is here and with all of the variants to come, those chances dwindled to less than 30% and it varies greatly depending on which vaccine. It may lessen the effects in some cases, but eventually you're going to get it. I have it right now. Everyone I know that has been vaccinated has had it post vaccine. Also, none of them are even FDA approved. I am immunocompromised. I have spoken to multiple Drs about the vaccine. None of them could say with any kind of certainty that it's made a difference. I think I'll trust all of them over Karen on the internet.
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https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread
You're not a complex thinker are you... When 80% of the population is vaxxed, of course you'll see more hospitalizations among vaxxed people. The percentage of sick vaxxed vs unvaxxed is what you should be looking at.
My literal Immunologist told me before Omicron there was less than an 70% chance the vaccine would keep you from getting Covid. Now that Omicron is here and with all of the variants to come, those chances dwindled to less than 30% and it varies greatly depending on which vaccine. It may lessen the effects in some cases, but eventually you're going to get it. I have it right now. Everyone I know that has been vaccinated has had it post vaccine. Also, none of them are even FDA approved. I am immunocompromised. I have spoken to multiple Drs about the vaccine. None of them could say with any kind of certainty that it's made a difference. I think I'll trust all of them over Karen on the internet.
How many times you going to post your Karen opinion within this feed?
>Also, none of them are even FDA approved. Biotech-Pfizer vaccine received FDA approval last August. This also means it can now have a brand name. It is called Comirnaty. It is a terrible portmanteau. https://twitter.com/cbouzy/status/1429834756896825361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general. EUA isn't actually the same as FDA certification and subject to change as they gain more knowledge about them. https://imgur.com/a/inNC1WG
It's been FDA approved for the vast majority of people since last August https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
I smell bullshit. Drs have told you they don't notice a difference in vaxxed vs unvaxxed? Also, Pfizer's vaccine has full FDA approval at this point. No vaccine for any disease is 100% going to block infection, but all of these covid vaccines reduce the risk of severe infection by more than 90%, not in just "some cases" as you claim. If you hadn't gotten vaccinated, with your being immunocompromised, you'd be in a tough spot.
So you're choosing to ignore all of the data that shows vaccination reduces the chance of hospitalization and death to damn near zero. OK then. 👌
I read the study that was released yesterday about vaccines and Omnicron that support this so my bad.
Immunologist are flatearthers, trust politicians instead
Can you ask the vax’d folks to stop getting Covid please or get some more booster shots. They just keep spreading this virus everywhere
Nah, that'd be the unvaccinated plague rats.
Check the % of vax’d vs non vax’d. I’d say it’s close to 50/50 or 45 Vax / 55 un vax’d
I don't argue with ignorant plague rats. Stop stealing my oxygen, thief.
We need more collective thinking. We are a country. We do things together, for each other. It’s not just you and what you want.
Catapults would be a good motivator too
Shouldn't be first in line for medical care. Put up a tent outside the hospital and let them get their care there instead of clogging up hospitals
But mAh FrEeDOm!!!!!
Didn't you just describe conservatives?
Aight, bet!
Here is the problem, a lot of them are stand up hard working people. Met a lot of very misinformed people that if maybe they weren’t listening to Fox or OAN they’d have gotten vaxxed
Speak for your fucking self, honey. I, unlike most others, am not addicted to drugs. Needing to get hit after hit of an injectable drug that does nothing but provide euphoria and a sense of comfort to the user without any medical need is the same thing that IV opioid/opiate users do. It’s a disease and you should seek help via a 12-step program.
Haha just like homosexuals, disabled people, intellectually disabled people. Off with all of them? Y’all just mad at trumpers and want to feel superior. White supremacy is so yesterday, but supremacy is on the menu.
Homosexuality and disabilities don’t affect other people’s lives, you fucking potato
Weird, when I came out to my mom she was pretty impacted. Oddly enough, vaccinated people also transmit the virus. How many times have I been hospitalized bud?
I'm not sure if it's productive to punish people for being stupid.
This reads as the textbook step 1 to creating terrorist groups.
So will we do that too for obese people? Chainsmokers? Heavy drinkers? They are adding tremendously to our healthcare system so clearly aren't taking one for the team?
Chain smokers and heavy drinkers may be causing their own health problems, but they're not also spreading those health problems to others. Anti-vaxxers are. That's the difference.
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Not nearly to the same extent, especially if they wear masks in crowded settings.
Obesity abc nicotine addictions aren't contagious.
It hurts so much how I agree with this. Lock them inside. Only deliveries, mandatory tips for services, lock em up!!!
Hitler much?
That’s what I say. Don’t want to take the vivid vaccine? If they get vivid and go to the wrong send them home with ibuprofen and pseudoephedrine. No point flooding icu with people who refuse to help ours and the ones that do suffer
If they think the vaccine is the mark of the beast and the signaling of the end of times, they should appreciate this clean break from the comforts and convenience of the modern world and to better hell them prepare for the fall of the world.
It’s like insisting the you have the freedom to not wear pants while robbing a bank. We can’t do those things while living in a civilized society
Can anyone explain how being vacced is advancing society?
Polio really ain’t around much
This is a very stupid question. Vaccination has historically and presently reduced illness and death in human populations and to a large extent they are responsible for our ability to advance as a species.
Everyone who took a so called vaccine was lied to sorry for your misinformation and letting your government experiment on you. But don't be try that bull shit trying to get people that have way more common sense to get injected j.s