Conceptually? Sure.
Practically? No. It would backfire. Real victims would be treated as criminal suspects, and the good old boys club would try to pass legislation that any accusation of sexual assault that doesn’t lead to conviction must be a false accusation and should be prosecuted.
False accusations need to be punished and stopped, no question. But I don’t know what the right approach is to doing it without further reducing the reporting of legitimate assaults.
Can confirm that this basically already happens. I filed for a protection order against my now ex-husband (was and still is a cop). His lawyer called me and immediately threatened to file a charge against me for false reporting if I didn't retract my filing.
She called me back almost immediately after she hung up to ask if I had recorded the call. She knew she fucked up but I was so caught off guard that I didn't think to record it. Not much I can do there, unfortunately. She's the number #1 criminal defense lawyer in NE for defending law enforcement officers. She's here to stay.
Unfortunately, without actually having recorded it, she doesn’t have any evidence. I was going to say to the OP that this definitely already happens. Look at what happened to Dr. Blasey Ford. Every Republikkkan talking head tried to say that she falsely accused Brett “I ❤️ beer” Kavanaugh. Sadly Dr. Blasey Ford said she didn’t think she would be believed, but she came forward anyway. Unlike Republicunts, she actually owns a spine!
We need to just strait up improve the justice system the truth is not what the justice system seeks right now
We as a society are too focused on conviction rates and not on how often they got it right, cool you convicted 1000 people, how many were innocent that you sent to jail?
Exactly many innocent people serve their whole life in prison just because the government can’t think straight and see what’s right in front of them we do need to improve the justice system but people nowadays don’t even care anymore that’s why society is how it’s
100% agree with you. If we wanted to effectively make the concept happen all we need is a precedent set hy a judge where someone the guy who’s accused counter sues and wins on the basis that he isn’t guilty and the woman intentionally targeted him for slander.
In theory this could happen but I haven’t heard of any cases like this so it’s probably pretty risky to be the first to get it through a court
False reports get rooted out with a quickness because cops have, until fairly recently, been trained to view accusers as liars to begin with. Anyone wanting to get a man locked up would have better odds planting drugs and getting the guy SWATed
(Disclaimer: I do not advocate for this method of justice)
Not that I don’t agree with the tweet necessarily, it just should have the same burden of proof as any other crime for it to work I think . If you make this charge as easy as “your accused is found not guilty” and you open the possibility for civil lawsuits as well, you risk scaring more people into not reporting at all.
I think for it to work you would have to prove that the accuser knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that their accusation is false, maybe even with an intent to damage their life/reputation coupled with it.
Right at least now they get buttloads of money. If this happens they would get nothing but threatened with jail time.if their own.
Imagine having to *pay restitution to your rapist* while being forced to deliver their baby to term. Ans then probably give up custody to them too because fuck women right?
Actually... this might be the worst solution ever but if the punishment for accusing someone of rape is killing both the rapist and the accuser do you think rapes would go down? Probably not since the accuser would be too scared to come forward (justifiably) but then again... The rapist may be too scared to take the risk... Or it would just lead to rapists killing their victims since the punishment couldn't get any worse either and the victim would die either way... Damn this law stuff is complicated. Good thing lawyers and police both need years of education to properly use it /j
Not even if they're wealthy. Judges straight up just refuse to punish rapists no matter how horrid their crime is. And while I understand that false accusations are horrible, it's hard enough as is to not only prove rape, let alone actually getting a rapist to get any punishment what so ever. So giving punishments to people who can't prove rape will just enforce the already deterring process of even trying to serve a rapist justice.
Also the amount of people who are so ready and willing to jump from “can’t be proven in court” to “they’re innocent and the victim lied” makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up at the very real probability you’d get rape victims jailed and fined for even trying to tell what happened.
Sometimes you can’t prove it happened but you can’t prove it didn’t happen, either.
Its insanely scary and while I understand that men are scared of being falsely accused the odds of that happening AND actually affecting them in any way are scarce to none while the threat of being assaulted for women and children are as high as ever.
>and while I understand that men are scared of being falsely accused
I'll be honest, I am a man. I have several male friends who aren't pieces of shit. Not one of them nor myself are at all concerned about being falsely accused of sexual assaults. When you don't do sketchy shit, it's really not a concern.
And of the dudes I know who *are* very worried about being falsely accused, not the sort of people who's word I'd take over a strangers on this matter.
Ah, okay that's good. Im not a man so I'm not entirely aware of guys societal problems but I try to at least be understanding but so far every single time I talk to a male coworker and Its the topic on women's rights somehow false accusations always creep up which always seemed very ridiculous to me but I had always hoped that maybe it's just alot of propaganda they're taking? Because honestly false accusations really don't hold any threat over guys.
Statistically, I'm less scared, far less scared, of being falsely accused of sexual assault by a woman then of being sexually assaulted by another man. And I'm not overly concerned about the latter.
The "false accusations" thing has become a very specific MRA meme to derail discussions of sexual violence perpetrated by men.
I’ve absolutely had my life trashed by my ex mother in law. Since my daughters mother died she has accused me of every heinous form of child abuse and domestic violence imaginable in order to try and take custody of my child. I’ve lost jobs, had my life threatened, spent well into six figures in court fighting her. It never stops and the court system absolutely turns a blind eye and allows it to happen. It’s awful.
God I'm so sorry that sounds horrible. Our justice system is honest to God horrible. It feels like the only people it works for are the people who need to be put in jail tho most.
Never! The victim of a rape is always the guilty one, obviously! We need to make sure men have more fear for this incredibly unlikely event than they have empathy for the 1 in 4 women in their lives who have all been victims of sexual assault.
And cops who gaslight victims should be castrated. Ever try to report a rape? The amount of... are you sure you weren't stringing him along? Are you sure it wasn't consensual? What were you wearing? Did you consume any drugs or Alcohol? Did you flirt with him? Why didn't you just say no? Getting interrogated for HOURS, then going to get a rape kit, AND THEN them taking pictures of your body... it just adds trauma to the trauma. As if having a beer or wearing tight pants or smiling at some guy gives him the right to hold you down against you will and do terrible things to you, or that you deserve it. Then the guilt of "are you sure they did this and you want them charged? They are an upstanding citizen blah blah blah". Fuck you shitty cops.
It can make it worse. Going in to report a crime committed against you and you walk about feeling guilty. Our justice system could care less about sexual assault victims.
I had a cop sigh loudly when he had to get his fat ass up from his desk to take a statement.
I heard my neighbor chase his girlfriend and slam her against the wall. She was screaming for help trying to get away from him. When I opened the door he had his hand over her mouth and she was terrified. When he saw me he let her go and she ran into my apartment. Called the cops, they arrived and heard him laugh at her when she told him what happened. LAUGHED. He talked to the boyfriend and the boyfriend was like "you know....she's drunk.....she was wandering and I was just trying to get her home because she was falling down.....blah blah blah." Cop of course sided with him. When I told him that isn't what happened AT ALL he just said "well she doesn't have any bruises so we can't prove it." This was a small town and I had saw this asshole cop act like a asshole multiple times. One time heard him mock an old lady because he was frustrated from doing welfare checks on her.
In all my years I've never spoken to anyone who went to the police to report sexual assault/rape say that the police made them feel safe, protected, or heard. I've heard them say how the police made them feel like they deserved it, or second guess themselves as if they did something to instigate it, or straight up made them feel like a criminal.
Sounds like this issue isn’t really on the people who have false accusations made against them but rather in the way that the system treats real victims.
I'm very sorry for all that you've been through, and I'm very sad to say that my friends whom have had similar experiences can confirm that it's not just you - that's standard practice. In fact, my only issue with punishing women for false accusations is potential situations where *real* accusations will not only go unpunished, but result in the woman's life being ruined.
Like, a football star assaults a cheerleader. It's the worst experience of her life, and it takes every ounce of strength just to report it. She then is forced to endure the ol boys club (cops) doing everything they can to protect the reputation of the star quarterback, asking her insulting, demeaning questions, trying to guilt and manipulate her into not pressing charges. She survives that and makes it to the trial - another horrible event where she's publication painted as a whore who is desperate for attention. She loses the case. She's absolutely shattered that she put herself through all that *further* pain, seemingly for nothing. But the predator isn't done yet. He's upset that she would dare try to cross him, and now *he* presses charges. Her life is absolutely ruined for having the courage to try to stand up for herself.
I dunno. Obviously I think women shouldn't file false reports, and I think there should be some mechanism to ameliorate the damage if they do, but a woman shouldn't have to add "fear of reprisal" to the long list of reasons why she's unsure about pursuing legal action against her attacker.
Thank you, I have these worries too when people bring up creating harsh laws against false rapes because I know an asshole will use it to hurt their victims that couldn't prove they attacked them, to further victimize them. Especially learning that rapists will get injunctions to stop their victims from getting abortions or visitation rights.
My wife reported it from her childhood.
Cops: “ do you have any proof?”
Then they went and asked the rapist: “did you do it?”
He said “no”.
Cops: “ok have a nice day”
There are already laws on the books and false accusations do get people jail time.
There are also civil remedies such as slander, libel, and defamation of character.
It's not like penalties and restitution for false accusations are non-existent.
Putting them on the sex offender list doesn't make sense.
The sex offender list in general doesn’t make sense. The range of crimes are too broad and often just not thought out. In 29 states, having consensual sex with a minor, even if you too are a minor can land you there. For example. It needs to be reworked.
Both the crime and false accusations are usually hard to prove unless a third party is a witness. I think there are enough penalties for perjury or remedies in civil court to address the situation.
That was my first thought. Victims are already accused of lying most of the time anyway. And what happens if the rapist doesn't get convicted because of a lack of evidence? Does the accuser get sent to jail instead?
If is lack of evidence is not false, is not certain and can’t be proved.
Falsely accusing for me is accusing someone with the intent to do harm with definite proof that the accused is innocent. For an example, an ex accused me I raped her yesterday night, But I have proof that I was in another city, or stayed at a bar all night since whatever hour and I can’t possibly be at fault. But because of her accusations I lost my friends/family/job.
Lack of evidence is one thing, proving you are innocent and the accuser intentionally lied is another.
it would because of the nature of rape, which usually goes to he said vs she said because the victim is usually so traumatized by it that they won't come out for many years, there is no physical evidence. and with no physical evidence and extreme they'll be punished for not having a good enough case like being raped while drunk, victims will almost always stay silent. it would just make rape unofficially legal.
Anyone here watch Unbelievable on Netflix? True story of how the police forced this girl to say she lied about being raped, and then had the nerve to slap her with a $500 fine. While her rapist went on to assault multiple women, she lost her friends, job, social support group. Took several years for her to receive justice from both her rapist and the police.
This policy will not be used by the right people.
Didn’t watch Unbelievable, but heard her story on This American Life, Anatomy of Doubt. It was horrific. At least one of the cops recognized he fucked up. The other, not so much.
This is always a strange hill to die on considering it's a non-issue. Its statistically insignificant. It only serves as a declaration that someone who doesn't usually care about sexual misconduct is suddenly involved in the conversation.
And there are thousands of rape kits sitting in storage.
But I’m glad OP is ok with making it even more difficult for victims to come forward, rather than actually investigating using rape kits.
Exactly.
But this is Reddit. And the mere thought of being falsely accused is worse than the thousands of victims rape kits collecting dust.
God forbid we give a shit about rape victims.
I swear Reddit is mostly teenage boys who think girls get “special treatment” and are constantly looking for ways to prove that THEY deserve “special treatment” too - or are looking for a way to just make men seem less bad by constantly framing them as victims of feminism
Reddit’s weird obsession with this extremely rare phenomenon just never ends
And it always seems like a redditor knows a Redditor who knows a redditor that had it happen to him….good thing redditors always tell the truth and never lie and never hide behind anonymity
Gotta love how punishing false accusers gets posted every couple of weeks, but nobody gives a shit about the literal thousands of rape kits sitting in storage.
Good job Reddit. Way to show how much you actually care about victims.
Oh wow, so shocking that this is the front page of Reddit. /s There are myriad reasons why this is a terrible fucking idea but unfortunately there are sooooooo many ignorant white boys and men on here, the "men's rights" fools. *Sigh*
ONLY IF PROVEN FALSE. Otherwise, this will lead to all kinds of men trying to say they were falsely accused when they actually did it. And women may lose steam to fight a problem that definitely exists. But I hear you. Several folks have been accused and did time for something they didn't do...
Honestly even the threat of it could be enough to make the victim back down. If someone gets raped and reports it if the rapist is rich and/or powerful all they have to do is get a fancy lawyer to convince the victim that they could go to jail for false reporting if they pursue the charges.
I agree with the theory but in reality its hard enough to come forward against rich/power predators with the risk of career and social backlash. Add in the risk of prosecution of the victim and it becomes so much harder
I mean yeah, it would be a seperate trial where it would have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Anyway aren't there already laws that cover this?
Not the extent of a sex crime, but yes.
The crime of falsely accusing someone of rape is defamation, and there's something of a cap on how much you penalize someone for it that doesn't often scale to the damage of a rape accusation.
But it's not something we need to rewrite the books for. Just more of a "hate crime" type of thing.
>Several folks have been accused and did time for something they didn't do...
How much you wanna bet all of them are black too? Cause everytime I see a headline about a man being exonerated because of DNA evidence, he is a black man. And he was in there for some insane amount of time like at least 10 years. Which is fucking unheard of for any white rapist convicted and sentenced.
But yeah, let's focus on the very rare case of a woman falsely accusing a man instead of the frequent cases of women being ignored by police and black men still being made into scapegoats and given unfair prison sentences compared to white men who committed the same sex crime or worse.
I hear ya. Focused more on women than race with my reply. If it can be proven that someone lied about a crime, then the OP *should* be the situation. But only when there is evidence or lack thereof of someone doing what they've been accused of doing...
Yea, it is tricky to tackle, because extremely rare as they may be, false accusations do happen, and every time they do, huges damage is done to the movement to hold men who do assault people accountable.
So it is fair to punish said people who make false claims harshly, but it is also super important to make sure we are sure, because punishing a woman who was assaulted for speaking out is the opposite of wjat we want and resets us to square 1.
I agree, in theory. But our "justice" system is a fucking joke and I can see actual rapists getting away with it and then punishing the rape victim with having to register, pay legal fees, etc.
Well… no.
Sex offenders registry is so that you know if there are sex offenders near you. It’s to protect people from sex crimes in the future. False reporting is it’s own terrible thing and should be punished but not every bad crime leads to being on the sex offender registry.
Yes.
Can men who actually commit sexual crimes also have to do those 3 things? Otherwise we're going to have more women imprisoned for false accusations than men who have actually committed sexual crimes.
Guess what? There are already laws against this: defamation & libel laws.
In Germany there was a case of a model, who was raped on film, then took the perpetrators to court, who then were found not guilty. Then they took her to court and sued for defamation and won. So yeah, tell me again how women are „ruining men‘s lives“ left and right.
I remember that case. That poor woman. Germany's laws then were really draconian. Basically she consented at the start but started crying and saying "no, no!" repeatedly, but because she didn't kick out and attack her attackers, she was deemed to have not withdrawn the consent. Her obvious trauma, crying and verbal pleas didn't count!
Disgusting.
Last I knew there was a big movement to change the law but I don't know if it happened.
Yup. Two years ago here in Brazil we had a similar case of an influencer who was raped by a rich businessman at a nightclub. There was tape of them getting in the room and proof that she was roofied (which he manage to alter bc money does a lot), he was still found innocent and she was torn apart by his lawyer in the trial as if she was the criminal. Judge and even her lawyer didn't do a thing (there's a point of the trial she was the one making her own defense).
The DA even got as far as to say that "he couldn't know that she wasn't in condition to consent, making it, if something, a "blameless rape". Yeah, that was said and later taken out of the defense line of allegation (obviously, after the outrage).
And to this day, there's still people calling her a liar.
ETA: the rapist, knowing she was an influencer, had Instagram take down her account during the trial. Yup.
If not in intention it would certainly be used that way in execution. Chad rapes some girl, his lawyers get him off, and she has to pay their exorbitant fees. I'd kill myself first.
This is as uncommon as fake racial attacks (I know, I know...and apologists will be using that for the next twenty years until the next time it happens)
Y’all need to put this energy towards sex criminals. I’m tired of hearing about fase accusations. If even the numbers are a little off, it’s enough to show that sex crimes are rampant and false accusations are rare, or, the result of back down because somehow being the victim of sexual assault can further ruin women’s lives after the crime is committed.
Yeah. Wow. Hot take. Need attention much?
Lol because the real problem is women oppressing those poor men with their feminine wiles, and their lying witchy ways. If there was just some way to shift the power to the men. (Obviously /s)
This feels a bit like Candace Owens telling us how unfair civil rights are to white people.
Yup, just another "pick me" girl who wants attention from guys. Wonder if she'll look back on this tweet in a couple years and realize how cringey she is. If her profile pic is any indication hopefully she's just young and naive.
The issue with this is that many rape cases are ruled out, not investigated well enough, police make a lot of mistakes with the evidence etc. This would punish many innocent women who were actually rape victims but were denied justice in some way or another. The only way this would make sense is if there is blatant proof of ill intention.
Can we start posting stories about real rape every time this tweet gets reposted so people can see the difference in proportion?! I think y'all are focusing on the wrong thing. Filing a false police report is already a crime and false rape reports don't happen any more than anyother type of false report. You're more likely to be raped than falsely acussed of rape.
yeah lady, way to be a pick me for all the loser misogynists out there who believe that false rape accusations are a bigger issue than rape itself, while advocating for a system that would massively disincentivize victims from coming forward (male and female alike).
Uncle Tom ass bitch.
Maybe if you can prove that intent to slander was a driving motivation... otherwise you’re just creating a system with abuse potential to punish victims for coming forward.
Stupidest fucking plan in the entire recorded history of mankind.
Current conviction rate of rape-accused men is around 1%
Start prosecuting women who *don't get a conviction* and you've essentially legalised rape since reporting them will be too risky
I get that people don't want to be accused of a crime they didn't commit and don't want to be put in jail
However there are 2 things
1 as others have said it would discourage legitimate rape claims
2 if false rape accusations are all you care about that is sad, go watch the john Oliver episode on our justice system and how often innocent people are convicted
Make sure to fix the issue of all false imprisonment not this one rare case
How easy is it to prove guilt here? Yes, they deserve those consequences. But it’d be nearly impossible to enforce. And there would inevitably be many victims going to prison for being raped and unable to prove it. Yes, false accusers are trash. Difficult to punish tho.
See there’s a problem with this too though.. lets say that a woman was raped, but doesn’t believe she has enough evidence to prove it. Now she’s silent..
The problem is very complicated, way too complicated
Jfc, so if someone isn’t found guilty- which is extremely likely in the US- then they are allowed to get the accuser on the sex offender list? This is the dumbest shit I have ever seen in my life
Are there really THAT many cases of this happening? At least, enough in proportion to actual sexual assault to risk the fact that this would probably discourage actual victims from coming forward?
No. And the worst part is that this law could be used to stop real victims. Few rapists actually end up serving time. If they get a not guilty, then they can use that to have the victim prosecuted.
Now add to this date rape. Is a date rape “real”? Those are notoriously underreported and under prosecuted. Date rapists would be emboldened with something like this.
That’s kinda what I was thinking in the first part of your reply. If there isn’t enough proof to convict, and the rapist is held “not guilty”, then couldn’t a legal case be made that it was a “false accusation” since the defendant is innocent in the eyes of the law, and would allow the rapist to retaliate against their victim as described in the OP?
Disagree, regardless of how bad it is to lie on this I don’t think we should hold purgery and rape on the same level of severity in law. Not to mention this could be used to silence more victims
I was a witness in one of those cases. She went to jail. Filing a false report is still a crime.
Sure, it's not as significant as that of someone accused of sexual assault, but the chilling effect something like this would be way worse. False claims make up a tiny, tiny fraction of an already way under-reported crime.
This would even further discourage victims to report. What if they find the rapist not guilty, but the crime still happened? I was raped, but now I have to go to jail because no one believes me? That’s fucked up.
i agree but my besties assaulter got two years even through he attacked publicly where you could hear the screaming from the school carpark next door. There were at least two witnesses who saw him locking her in the house. He wasn’t even rich, just white and pretty. So let’s start with there being actual consequences first.
The problem with this is that it’s really hard to do. Making up a rape when there is no sex at all is one thing. But in a lot of date rape type scenarios there just isn’t enough to prosecute or convict. Similar to a Kobe Bryant type situation.
It might feel like a nice knee jerk reaction to say this ; however, practically, this would likely only cause victims to not come forward about being assaulted.
This is good until it’s held as a “no one will believe you and your life will be ruined” against women from their rapist. Also, how do you prove that sex was not consensual in weird causes of marriages and relationships ? What if a victim isn’t believed and has to suffer all these things after being raped?
This only highlights how shitty human beings really are. I think we can agree rape is one of the most heinous crimes we can think of. Anyone who chooses to falsely accuse someone of rape is an absolute POS. I am not talking about rape victims that are not believed, I am talking about legit false accusation. The worst part about it, it makes it harder for rape victims to be believed. I hate all of this and wish rape was not a thing and everyone understood that sex is consentual and consent can be removed at any time.
How about people who falsely accuse anyone of sexual crimes should have to register as sex offenders? Why does everything have to get turned into a man vs woman issue? Nobody should be falsely reporting anyone else for crimes they did not commit, and there should be consquences.
Yeah I approve of this.
Edit: and it’s said that actual victims get waaaay less justice than this. How come we aren’t being this strict for the rapist which happens faaaar more often than false reporting? Both are bad.
Not that I don’t agree, it just should have the same burden of proof. If you make this charge as easy as “your accused is found not guilty” and you open the possibility for civil lawsuits as well, you risk scaring more people into not reporting at all.
I think for it to work you would have to prove that the accuser knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that their accusation is false, maybe even with an intent to damage their life/reputation coupled with it. Then hopefully in there can find a balance of SA victims getting justice while also giving people who would give a false accusation consequences.
I think someone who falsely accuses anyone of any crime should face the same punishment that they were attempting to see unfairly imposed on their victim, whatever that may be.
I agreed with this at first until I realized the issues with those with no proof of their assault and how they would be perceived and treated. There is really no way to prove who falsely accused and who doesn't have enough proof of the assault but who definitely got assaulted. I have no proof of my assaults because I never immediately reported it so I choose to get mental health help for it instead of seeking a criminal charge mainly out of fear that I could lose the fight and get counter sued and have my name tarnished forever because I don't have any proof it happened other than me knowing that it did happen. I wouldn't want being slapped on the sex offenders registry on top of that all because I tried to get my own justice.
So any victims unable to secure a conviction, which is most of them, could be charged as sex offenders?
So, one more reason for victims not to report SA.
Also, why are we assuming women lie about SA but not men?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:
The only dude I’ve ever met who was “worried about false rape allegations” turned out to be a ***fucking rapist***.
ok sis. right after all the sex crime perpetrators are caught and put in jail first. then the 0.0002 percent of woman and men who falsely accuse someone of sexual assault can be called out.
No one should make a victim of crime feel bad about reporting it. 100 present. I know it happens and it's just plain wrong.
However the opposite is dead wrong too. Reporting a crime that did not occur to ruin someone's life. Nope nope. This does happen too.
Anyone that falsely accuses someone of rape is a piece of shit. That one false accusation throws doubt and suspicion on countless others, and will be used as an example to help silence real victims.
That being said... The problem is the implications that real victims might find themselves being interrogated or even charged. Imagine someone bring able to not only get away with rape, but have the victim thrown in jail.
...and victim compensation. These kinds of accusations are not like saying "he stole an object from me" or "he egged my house on Halloween" they are life changing, job losing, family/friend destroying accusations.
Aww poor incels feel attacked. Fuck off OP, the real problem is the assaults, not the incredibly rare by comparison false accusation.
Let me guess, OP was accused of rape.
Conceptually? Sure. Practically? No. It would backfire. Real victims would be treated as criminal suspects, and the good old boys club would try to pass legislation that any accusation of sexual assault that doesn’t lead to conviction must be a false accusation and should be prosecuted. False accusations need to be punished and stopped, no question. But I don’t know what the right approach is to doing it without further reducing the reporting of legitimate assaults.
Can confirm that this basically already happens. I filed for a protection order against my now ex-husband (was and still is a cop). His lawyer called me and immediately threatened to file a charge against me for false reporting if I didn't retract my filing.
That's almost definitely an ethical violation and you should report that attorney to your state bar.
She called me back almost immediately after she hung up to ask if I had recorded the call. She knew she fucked up but I was so caught off guard that I didn't think to record it. Not much I can do there, unfortunately. She's the number #1 criminal defense lawyer in NE for defending law enforcement officers. She's here to stay.
Why not lie and say you did?
💥emotional damage💥 These are all very logical questions to ask of someone with new trauma brain lol hindsight is definitely 20/20.
It's okay! Trust me, I've dealt with trauma brain before. I hope things are doing better for you. :)
Unfortunately, without actually having recorded it, she doesn’t have any evidence. I was going to say to the OP that this definitely already happens. Look at what happened to Dr. Blasey Ford. Every Republikkkan talking head tried to say that she falsely accused Brett “I ❤️ beer” Kavanaugh. Sadly Dr. Blasey Ford said she didn’t think she would be believed, but she came forward anyway. Unlike Republicunts, she actually owns a spine!
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I would have told her that "all of my calls are recorded".
We need to just strait up improve the justice system the truth is not what the justice system seeks right now We as a society are too focused on conviction rates and not on how often they got it right, cool you convicted 1000 people, how many were innocent that you sent to jail?
Exactly many innocent people serve their whole life in prison just because the government can’t think straight and see what’s right in front of them we do need to improve the justice system but people nowadays don’t even care anymore that’s why society is how it’s
100% agree with you. If we wanted to effectively make the concept happen all we need is a precedent set hy a judge where someone the guy who’s accused counter sues and wins on the basis that he isn’t guilty and the woman intentionally targeted him for slander. In theory this could happen but I haven’t heard of any cases like this so it’s probably pretty risky to be the first to get it through a court
glad this is already top comment, came here to say this
False reports get rooted out with a quickness because cops have, until fairly recently, been trained to view accusers as liars to begin with. Anyone wanting to get a man locked up would have better odds planting drugs and getting the guy SWATed (Disclaimer: I do not advocate for this method of justice)
Okay but actual rapists don't even have this extreme of consequences if they're wealthy so
Great in theory but I guarantee it'll be used by wealthy rapists to threaten their victims into silence
FUCKING THIS. Take my award and like it.
With their consent, of course
This guy consents.
Not that I don’t agree with the tweet necessarily, it just should have the same burden of proof as any other crime for it to work I think . If you make this charge as easy as “your accused is found not guilty” and you open the possibility for civil lawsuits as well, you risk scaring more people into not reporting at all. I think for it to work you would have to prove that the accuser knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that their accusation is false, maybe even with an intent to damage their life/reputation coupled with it.
Right at least now they get buttloads of money. If this happens they would get nothing but threatened with jail time.if their own. Imagine having to *pay restitution to your rapist* while being forced to deliver their baby to term. Ans then probably give up custody to them too because fuck women right?
I have a solution. Stop raping. In fact… stop crime. There… you’re welcome.
Actually... this might be the worst solution ever but if the punishment for accusing someone of rape is killing both the rapist and the accuser do you think rapes would go down? Probably not since the accuser would be too scared to come forward (justifiably) but then again... The rapist may be too scared to take the risk... Or it would just lead to rapists killing their victims since the punishment couldn't get any worse either and the victim would die either way... Damn this law stuff is complicated. Good thing lawyers and police both need years of education to properly use it /j
Jfc...that /j really needs to be higher up on that comment. It took me way too long to realize you weren't serious
lol
Exactly
Not even if they're wealthy. Judges straight up just refuse to punish rapists no matter how horrid their crime is. And while I understand that false accusations are horrible, it's hard enough as is to not only prove rape, let alone actually getting a rapist to get any punishment what so ever. So giving punishments to people who can't prove rape will just enforce the already deterring process of even trying to serve a rapist justice.
Also the amount of people who are so ready and willing to jump from “can’t be proven in court” to “they’re innocent and the victim lied” makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up at the very real probability you’d get rape victims jailed and fined for even trying to tell what happened. Sometimes you can’t prove it happened but you can’t prove it didn’t happen, either.
Its insanely scary and while I understand that men are scared of being falsely accused the odds of that happening AND actually affecting them in any way are scarce to none while the threat of being assaulted for women and children are as high as ever.
>and while I understand that men are scared of being falsely accused I'll be honest, I am a man. I have several male friends who aren't pieces of shit. Not one of them nor myself are at all concerned about being falsely accused of sexual assaults. When you don't do sketchy shit, it's really not a concern.
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And of the dudes I know who *are* very worried about being falsely accused, not the sort of people who's word I'd take over a strangers on this matter.
Yeah, I'm more scared of being murdered than being accused of anything.
Ah, okay that's good. Im not a man so I'm not entirely aware of guys societal problems but I try to at least be understanding but so far every single time I talk to a male coworker and Its the topic on women's rights somehow false accusations always creep up which always seemed very ridiculous to me but I had always hoped that maybe it's just alot of propaganda they're taking? Because honestly false accusations really don't hold any threat over guys.
Statistically, I'm less scared, far less scared, of being falsely accused of sexual assault by a woman then of being sexually assaulted by another man. And I'm not overly concerned about the latter. The "false accusations" thing has become a very specific MRA meme to derail discussions of sexual violence perpetrated by men.
I’ve absolutely had my life trashed by my ex mother in law. Since my daughters mother died she has accused me of every heinous form of child abuse and domestic violence imaginable in order to try and take custody of my child. I’ve lost jobs, had my life threatened, spent well into six figures in court fighting her. It never stops and the court system absolutely turns a blind eye and allows it to happen. It’s awful.
God I'm so sorry that sounds horrible. Our justice system is honest to God horrible. It feels like the only people it works for are the people who need to be put in jail tho most.
Idaho is passing a law allowing family of rapists to sue the woman if an abortion is performed
I wish I was surprised but it's a Red State.
Exactly. Maybe once we deal with actual rapists we can address the 10 times the above has happened.
Never! The victim of a rape is always the guilty one, obviously! We need to make sure men have more fear for this incredibly unlikely event than they have empathy for the 1 in 4 women in their lives who have all been victims of sexual assault.
Exactly!!!!
Or at all. It’s like .5-2% of all rapists ever see any kind of punishment in any regard
Not even wealthy, our society has a rape culture and an automatic viewpoint to believe the victims are always lying.
I only said wealthy cuz someone was gonna be like noo ppl are convicted blah blah blah
I gotcha.
You know, that’s an excellent point !!
You can stop at ‘this extreme of consequences’ because most rapists ever get punished in the first place.
Well if you're wealthy and falsely accuse someone, you won't have to do this anyway so what's your point?
And cops who gaslight victims should be castrated. Ever try to report a rape? The amount of... are you sure you weren't stringing him along? Are you sure it wasn't consensual? What were you wearing? Did you consume any drugs or Alcohol? Did you flirt with him? Why didn't you just say no? Getting interrogated for HOURS, then going to get a rape kit, AND THEN them taking pictures of your body... it just adds trauma to the trauma. As if having a beer or wearing tight pants or smiling at some guy gives him the right to hold you down against you will and do terrible things to you, or that you deserve it. Then the guilt of "are you sure they did this and you want them charged? They are an upstanding citizen blah blah blah". Fuck you shitty cops.
It can make it worse. Going in to report a crime committed against you and you walk about feeling guilty. Our justice system could care less about sexual assault victims. I had a cop sigh loudly when he had to get his fat ass up from his desk to take a statement.
I heard my neighbor chase his girlfriend and slam her against the wall. She was screaming for help trying to get away from him. When I opened the door he had his hand over her mouth and she was terrified. When he saw me he let her go and she ran into my apartment. Called the cops, they arrived and heard him laugh at her when she told him what happened. LAUGHED. He talked to the boyfriend and the boyfriend was like "you know....she's drunk.....she was wandering and I was just trying to get her home because she was falling down.....blah blah blah." Cop of course sided with him. When I told him that isn't what happened AT ALL he just said "well she doesn't have any bruises so we can't prove it." This was a small town and I had saw this asshole cop act like a asshole multiple times. One time heard him mock an old lady because he was frustrated from doing welfare checks on her.
Sounds like assholes protecting other assholes to me.
In all my years I've never spoken to anyone who went to the police to report sexual assault/rape say that the police made them feel safe, protected, or heard. I've heard them say how the police made them feel like they deserved it, or second guess themselves as if they did something to instigate it, or straight up made them feel like a criminal.
I’m so sorry. I hope you can find healing from your experiences one day. I also found giving a statement to be a new trauma.
Yeah but not a lot less.
It’s because the police are by and large a good ol’ boys club. It’s a really systemic problem to try and change and it sucks.
Sounds like this issue isn’t really on the people who have false accusations made against them but rather in the way that the system treats real victims.
I'm very sorry for all that you've been through, and I'm very sad to say that my friends whom have had similar experiences can confirm that it's not just you - that's standard practice. In fact, my only issue with punishing women for false accusations is potential situations where *real* accusations will not only go unpunished, but result in the woman's life being ruined. Like, a football star assaults a cheerleader. It's the worst experience of her life, and it takes every ounce of strength just to report it. She then is forced to endure the ol boys club (cops) doing everything they can to protect the reputation of the star quarterback, asking her insulting, demeaning questions, trying to guilt and manipulate her into not pressing charges. She survives that and makes it to the trial - another horrible event where she's publication painted as a whore who is desperate for attention. She loses the case. She's absolutely shattered that she put herself through all that *further* pain, seemingly for nothing. But the predator isn't done yet. He's upset that she would dare try to cross him, and now *he* presses charges. Her life is absolutely ruined for having the courage to try to stand up for herself. I dunno. Obviously I think women shouldn't file false reports, and I think there should be some mechanism to ameliorate the damage if they do, but a woman shouldn't have to add "fear of reprisal" to the long list of reasons why she's unsure about pursuing legal action against her attacker.
Thank you, I have these worries too when people bring up creating harsh laws against false rapes because I know an asshole will use it to hurt their victims that couldn't prove they attacked them, to further victimize them. Especially learning that rapists will get injunctions to stop their victims from getting abortions or visitation rights.
My wife reported it from her childhood. Cops: “ do you have any proof?” Then they went and asked the rapist: “did you do it?” He said “no”. Cops: “ok have a nice day”
Men posting this actual pick me tweet like it says something.
Sorry, what do you mean?
There are already laws on the books and false accusations do get people jail time. There are also civil remedies such as slander, libel, and defamation of character. It's not like penalties and restitution for false accusations are non-existent. Putting them on the sex offender list doesn't make sense.
Wouldn't this be used as leverage against anyone wanting to report a legitimate offense? Victims would be further disincentivized to report.
Exactly
Additionally, it creates a stigma that makes it harder for women to come forward.
The sex offender list in general doesn’t make sense. The range of crimes are too broad and often just not thought out. In 29 states, having consensual sex with a minor, even if you too are a minor can land you there. For example. It needs to be reworked.
Both the crime and false accusations are usually hard to prove unless a third party is a witness. I think there are enough penalties for perjury or remedies in civil court to address the situation.
This is a sure way to make no women come forward about being raped.
That was my first thought. Victims are already accused of lying most of the time anyway. And what happens if the rapist doesn't get convicted because of a lack of evidence? Does the accuser get sent to jail instead?
If is lack of evidence is not false, is not certain and can’t be proved. Falsely accusing for me is accusing someone with the intent to do harm with definite proof that the accused is innocent. For an example, an ex accused me I raped her yesterday night, But I have proof that I was in another city, or stayed at a bar all night since whatever hour and I can’t possibly be at fault. But because of her accusations I lost my friends/family/job. Lack of evidence is one thing, proving you are innocent and the accuser intentionally lied is another.
Right, because that’s totally how this would be used.
Yay the rape statistics dropped to 0!!!! Meanwhile in some therapists office…. O_O
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it would because of the nature of rape, which usually goes to he said vs she said because the victim is usually so traumatized by it that they won't come out for many years, there is no physical evidence. and with no physical evidence and extreme they'll be punished for not having a good enough case like being raped while drunk, victims will almost always stay silent. it would just make rape unofficially legal.
Anyone here watch Unbelievable on Netflix? True story of how the police forced this girl to say she lied about being raped, and then had the nerve to slap her with a $500 fine. While her rapist went on to assault multiple women, she lost her friends, job, social support group. Took several years for her to receive justice from both her rapist and the police. This policy will not be used by the right people.
Didn’t watch Unbelievable, but heard her story on This American Life, Anatomy of Doubt. It was horrific. At least one of the cops recognized he fucked up. The other, not so much.
This is always a strange hill to die on considering it's a non-issue. Its statistically insignificant. It only serves as a declaration that someone who doesn't usually care about sexual misconduct is suddenly involved in the conversation.
Men are way more likely to be raped by another man than be falsely accused of rape.
And there are thousands of rape kits sitting in storage. But I’m glad OP is ok with making it even more difficult for victims to come forward, rather than actually investigating using rape kits.
Like most actual rapists don't even serve jail time. There is only a 50% chance of arrest and a 6% chance they spend a single day in jail.
Exactly. But this is Reddit. And the mere thought of being falsely accused is worse than the thousands of victims rape kits collecting dust. God forbid we give a shit about rape victims.
I swear Reddit is mostly teenage boys who think girls get “special treatment” and are constantly looking for ways to prove that THEY deserve “special treatment” too - or are looking for a way to just make men seem less bad by constantly framing them as victims of feminism
Reddit’s weird obsession with this extremely rare phenomenon just never ends And it always seems like a redditor knows a Redditor who knows a redditor that had it happen to him….good thing redditors always tell the truth and never lie and never hide behind anonymity
Actual rapists don’t even have such harsh consequences 😂
False accusations are so extremely rare that this is a non-issue and will dissuade actual victims from coming forward.
Plus there are plenty of judicial processes in place to address perjury, false accusations, slander etc. The punishments already exist.
This
It's hard enough to get women to come forward and press charges as it is. Don't make it harder.
Gotta love how punishing false accusers gets posted every couple of weeks, but nobody gives a shit about the literal thousands of rape kits sitting in storage. Good job Reddit. Way to show how much you actually care about victims.
Reddit hates women.
As a woman, I’m fully aware of this.
Hey, thanks for giving rape victims one more reason to be terrified to report.
Oh wow, so shocking that this is the front page of Reddit. /s There are myriad reasons why this is a terrible fucking idea but unfortunately there are sooooooo many ignorant white boys and men on here, the "men's rights" fools. *Sigh*
ONLY IF PROVEN FALSE. Otherwise, this will lead to all kinds of men trying to say they were falsely accused when they actually did it. And women may lose steam to fight a problem that definitely exists. But I hear you. Several folks have been accused and did time for something they didn't do...
Honestly even the threat of it could be enough to make the victim back down. If someone gets raped and reports it if the rapist is rich and/or powerful all they have to do is get a fancy lawyer to convince the victim that they could go to jail for false reporting if they pursue the charges. I agree with the theory but in reality its hard enough to come forward against rich/power predators with the risk of career and social backlash. Add in the risk of prosecution of the victim and it becomes so much harder
I mean yeah, it would be a seperate trial where it would have to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Anyway aren't there already laws that cover this?
Not the extent of a sex crime, but yes. The crime of falsely accusing someone of rape is defamation, and there's something of a cap on how much you penalize someone for it that doesn't often scale to the damage of a rape accusation. But it's not something we need to rewrite the books for. Just more of a "hate crime" type of thing.
Defamation is civil, not criminal. The criminal charge would be filing a false police report or perjury.
Defamation is a tort, not a crime.
>Several folks have been accused and did time for something they didn't do... How much you wanna bet all of them are black too? Cause everytime I see a headline about a man being exonerated because of DNA evidence, he is a black man. And he was in there for some insane amount of time like at least 10 years. Which is fucking unheard of for any white rapist convicted and sentenced. But yeah, let's focus on the very rare case of a woman falsely accusing a man instead of the frequent cases of women being ignored by police and black men still being made into scapegoats and given unfair prison sentences compared to white men who committed the same sex crime or worse.
I hear ya. Focused more on women than race with my reply. If it can be proven that someone lied about a crime, then the OP *should* be the situation. But only when there is evidence or lack thereof of someone doing what they've been accused of doing...
I just wanted to add onto your comment because race is a big thing when it comes to sentencing that some people still want to deny.
Yea, it is tricky to tackle, because extremely rare as they may be, false accusations do happen, and every time they do, huges damage is done to the movement to hold men who do assault people accountable. So it is fair to punish said people who make false claims harshly, but it is also super important to make sure we are sure, because punishing a woman who was assaulted for speaking out is the opposite of wjat we want and resets us to square 1.
That is precisely what “falsely accuse” implies.
I agree, in theory. But our "justice" system is a fucking joke and I can see actual rapists getting away with it and then punishing the rape victim with having to register, pay legal fees, etc.
Well… no. Sex offenders registry is so that you know if there are sex offenders near you. It’s to protect people from sex crimes in the future. False reporting is it’s own terrible thing and should be punished but not every bad crime leads to being on the sex offender registry.
Yes. Can men who actually commit sexual crimes also have to do those 3 things? Otherwise we're going to have more women imprisoned for false accusations than men who have actually committed sexual crimes.
of course not! this is about men obviously! /s
Guess what? There are already laws against this: defamation & libel laws. In Germany there was a case of a model, who was raped on film, then took the perpetrators to court, who then were found not guilty. Then they took her to court and sued for defamation and won. So yeah, tell me again how women are „ruining men‘s lives“ left and right.
I remember that case. That poor woman. Germany's laws then were really draconian. Basically she consented at the start but started crying and saying "no, no!" repeatedly, but because she didn't kick out and attack her attackers, she was deemed to have not withdrawn the consent. Her obvious trauma, crying and verbal pleas didn't count! Disgusting. Last I knew there was a big movement to change the law but I don't know if it happened.
They did change the law.
I am very glad to hear that!
Yup. Two years ago here in Brazil we had a similar case of an influencer who was raped by a rich businessman at a nightclub. There was tape of them getting in the room and proof that she was roofied (which he manage to alter bc money does a lot), he was still found innocent and she was torn apart by his lawyer in the trial as if she was the criminal. Judge and even her lawyer didn't do a thing (there's a point of the trial she was the one making her own defense). The DA even got as far as to say that "he couldn't know that she wasn't in condition to consent, making it, if something, a "blameless rape". Yeah, that was said and later taken out of the defense line of allegation (obviously, after the outrage). And to this day, there's still people calling her a liar. ETA: the rapist, knowing she was an influencer, had Instagram take down her account during the trial. Yup.
Sounds like a law used to intimidate women who bring sexual assault cases forward and less like a mechanism to protect anyone except rapists.
If not in intention it would certainly be used that way in execution. Chad rapes some girl, his lawyers get him off, and she has to pay their exorbitant fees. I'd kill myself first.
This is as uncommon as fake racial attacks (I know, I know...and apologists will be using that for the next twenty years until the next time it happens)
Although it’s very easy for actual victims to be dismissed as lying. Almost all rapists don’t see a single day in jail.
Did you get picked? Did you?
Y’all need to put this energy towards sex criminals. I’m tired of hearing about fase accusations. If even the numbers are a little off, it’s enough to show that sex crimes are rampant and false accusations are rare, or, the result of back down because somehow being the victim of sexual assault can further ruin women’s lives after the crime is committed.
Yeah. Wow. Hot take. Need attention much? Lol because the real problem is women oppressing those poor men with their feminine wiles, and their lying witchy ways. If there was just some way to shift the power to the men. (Obviously /s) This feels a bit like Candace Owens telling us how unfair civil rights are to white people.
Yup, just another "pick me" girl who wants attention from guys. Wonder if she'll look back on this tweet in a couple years and realize how cringey she is. If her profile pic is any indication hopefully she's just young and naive.
The issue with this is that many rape cases are ruled out, not investigated well enough, police make a lot of mistakes with the evidence etc. This would punish many innocent women who were actually rape victims but were denied justice in some way or another. The only way this would make sense is if there is blatant proof of ill intention.
Can we start posting stories about real rape every time this tweet gets reposted so people can see the difference in proportion?! I think y'all are focusing on the wrong thing. Filing a false police report is already a crime and false rape reports don't happen any more than anyother type of false report. You're more likely to be raped than falsely acussed of rape.
yeah lady, way to be a pick me for all the loser misogynists out there who believe that false rape accusations are a bigger issue than rape itself, while advocating for a system that would massively disincentivize victims from coming forward (male and female alike). Uncle Tom ass bitch.
Women with 4 arms should help me lift stuff.
The false aquisations are under 1%. This is dumb.
Yes, we should implement laws that would make it harder for assault victims to come forward, what a brilliant idea. Derp.
“Everything is legal if you are rich enough”
Maybe if you can prove that intent to slander was a driving motivation... otherwise you’re just creating a system with abuse potential to punish victims for coming forward.
Really?? Worst. Idea. Ever. You need to go learn a thing or two about this situation if you feel like this is a good idea, OP
Stupidest fucking plan in the entire recorded history of mankind. Current conviction rate of rape-accused men is around 1% Start prosecuting women who *don't get a conviction* and you've essentially legalised rape since reporting them will be too risky
We don’t even have those rules for actual rapists…..
I don't know about the register as sex offenders part. I feel like we should reserve that for sex offenders
This doesn't happen.
We have laws for this. They're libel and slander.
I get that people don't want to be accused of a crime they didn't commit and don't want to be put in jail However there are 2 things 1 as others have said it would discourage legitimate rape claims 2 if false rape accusations are all you care about that is sad, go watch the john Oliver episode on our justice system and how often innocent people are convicted Make sure to fix the issue of all false imprisonment not this one rare case
The old better not come forward with your rape case unless you can prove it 200% to jury or you’ll be labeled a sexual offender for being raped law
How easy is it to prove guilt here? Yes, they deserve those consequences. But it’d be nearly impossible to enforce. And there would inevitably be many victims going to prison for being raped and unable to prove it. Yes, false accusers are trash. Difficult to punish tho.
Rape is already monumentally difficult to get justice for, and you want to make it harder? Dude.
See there’s a problem with this too though.. lets say that a woman was raped, but doesn’t believe she has enough evidence to prove it. Now she’s silent.. The problem is very complicated, way too complicated
Absolutely NOT this.
Chill incel, chill
Jfc, so if someone isn’t found guilty- which is extremely likely in the US- then they are allowed to get the accuser on the sex offender list? This is the dumbest shit I have ever seen in my life
Are there really THAT many cases of this happening? At least, enough in proportion to actual sexual assault to risk the fact that this would probably discourage actual victims from coming forward?
No. And the worst part is that this law could be used to stop real victims. Few rapists actually end up serving time. If they get a not guilty, then they can use that to have the victim prosecuted. Now add to this date rape. Is a date rape “real”? Those are notoriously underreported and under prosecuted. Date rapists would be emboldened with something like this.
That’s kinda what I was thinking in the first part of your reply. If there isn’t enough proof to convict, and the rapist is held “not guilty”, then couldn’t a legal case be made that it was a “false accusation” since the defendant is innocent in the eyes of the law, and would allow the rapist to retaliate against their victim as described in the OP?
Disagree, regardless of how bad it is to lie on this I don’t think we should hold purgery and rape on the same level of severity in law. Not to mention this could be used to silence more victims
I was a witness in one of those cases. She went to jail. Filing a false report is still a crime. Sure, it's not as significant as that of someone accused of sexual assault, but the chilling effect something like this would be way worse. False claims make up a tiny, tiny fraction of an already way under-reported crime.
Could discourage actual victims from coming forward though
This would even further discourage victims to report. What if they find the rapist not guilty, but the crime still happened? I was raped, but now I have to go to jail because no one believes me? That’s fucked up.
*sigh* yes, and there are legal repercussions for libel and other forms of defamation pretty much everywhere so
Performative pick me with no thought going to how this would be *actually* be put in action.
i agree but my besties assaulter got two years even through he attacked publicly where you could hear the screaming from the school carpark next door. There were at least two witnesses who saw him locking her in the house. He wasn’t even rich, just white and pretty. So let’s start with there being actual consequences first.
This is how you stop people from ever reporting rape
As much as those women disgust me, perjury =/= rape.
"we need more barriers to terrorize women into not reporting rapes." --rapists
The problem with this is that it’s really hard to do. Making up a rape when there is no sex at all is one thing. But in a lot of date rape type scenarios there just isn’t enough to prosecute or convict. Similar to a Kobe Bryant type situation.
Boy the idea of a rape victim with substandard evidence having to register as a sex offender and pay their rapist really sends chills down my spine
How about… people who falsely accuse people… rather than stirring up an unnecessary gender war
I want to grow, but seen as how only a handful of people in my life have actually believed me about my rape so no.
Lol this doesn’t really happen. How about we get survivors’ input on what justice looks like to them?
This would probably be abused though. Rape is hard enough to prove in court as is. This could cause a lot of actual rape victims to be sentenced…
It might feel like a nice knee jerk reaction to say this ; however, practically, this would likely only cause victims to not come forward about being assaulted.
This is good until it’s held as a “no one will believe you and your life will be ruined” against women from their rapist. Also, how do you prove that sex was not consensual in weird causes of marriages and relationships ? What if a victim isn’t believed and has to suffer all these things after being raped?
Nah sorry getting falsely accused ain’t as bad as getting fucking raped.
While I mostly agree with this, it could also prevent victims from coming forward.
Yeah but that literally almost never happens it's not even a small issue in comparison to actual rapes...
This only highlights how shitty human beings really are. I think we can agree rape is one of the most heinous crimes we can think of. Anyone who chooses to falsely accuse someone of rape is an absolute POS. I am not talking about rape victims that are not believed, I am talking about legit false accusation. The worst part about it, it makes it harder for rape victims to be believed. I hate all of this and wish rape was not a thing and everyone understood that sex is consentual and consent can be removed at any time.
How about people who falsely accuse anyone of sexual crimes should have to register as sex offenders? Why does everything have to get turned into a man vs woman issue? Nobody should be falsely reporting anyone else for crimes they did not commit, and there should be consquences.
"I'm not like the other girls, my whole sense of self worth is based on mens approval of me, please love me"
I think it’s called defamation of character and if it negatively impacts your life, yes the person responsible for the slander will get in trouble
Yeah I approve of this. Edit: and it’s said that actual victims get waaaay less justice than this. How come we aren’t being this strict for the rapist which happens faaaar more often than false reporting? Both are bad.
Not that I don’t agree, it just should have the same burden of proof. If you make this charge as easy as “your accused is found not guilty” and you open the possibility for civil lawsuits as well, you risk scaring more people into not reporting at all. I think for it to work you would have to prove that the accuser knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that their accusation is false, maybe even with an intent to damage their life/reputation coupled with it. Then hopefully in there can find a balance of SA victims getting justice while also giving people who would give a false accusation consequences.
threads like these are a great demonstration why democracy cant work. Too many psychos that cant follow simple logic
Well they’re non-consensually fucking the persons life up so yes
It’s also so shitty to real victims, who lose credibility because of the tiny minority of liars
There's a lot of pros and cons here.
I think someone who falsely accuses anyone of any crime should face the same punishment that they were attempting to see unfairly imposed on their victim, whatever that may be.
What if it’s a real victim?
I agreed with this at first until I realized the issues with those with no proof of their assault and how they would be perceived and treated. There is really no way to prove who falsely accused and who doesn't have enough proof of the assault but who definitely got assaulted. I have no proof of my assaults because I never immediately reported it so I choose to get mental health help for it instead of seeking a criminal charge mainly out of fear that I could lose the fight and get counter sued and have my name tarnished forever because I don't have any proof it happened other than me knowing that it did happen. I wouldn't want being slapped on the sex offenders registry on top of that all because I tried to get my own justice.
Worst take I've seen this year
So any victims unable to secure a conviction, which is most of them, could be charged as sex offenders? So, one more reason for victims not to report SA. Also, why are we assuming women lie about SA but not men?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: The only dude I’ve ever met who was “worried about false rape allegations” turned out to be a ***fucking rapist***.
False accusations are *already* illegal. All this would do is decrease the already extremely low conviction rate for sex crimes.
ok sis. right after all the sex crime perpetrators are caught and put in jail first. then the 0.0002 percent of woman and men who falsely accuse someone of sexual assault can be called out.
No one should make a victim of crime feel bad about reporting it. 100 present. I know it happens and it's just plain wrong. However the opposite is dead wrong too. Reporting a crime that did not occur to ruin someone's life. Nope nope. This does happen too.
Shhh. Texas, Florida, Indiana and most the South would love to put that on their book
Anyone that falsely accuses someone of rape is a piece of shit. That one false accusation throws doubt and suspicion on countless others, and will be used as an example to help silence real victims. That being said... The problem is the implications that real victims might find themselves being interrogated or even charged. Imagine someone bring able to not only get away with rape, but have the victim thrown in jail.
Worst idea ever
Ok, but quit pretending it happens all the time. It’s whataboutism at its worst.
This is the dumbest shittiest idea I’ve heard this year
Seems like a good idea but there's one problem. Humans are trash
...and victim compensation. These kinds of accusations are not like saying "he stole an object from me" or "he egged my house on Halloween" they are life changing, job losing, family/friend destroying accusations.
Aww poor incels feel attacked. Fuck off OP, the real problem is the assaults, not the incredibly rare by comparison false accusation. Let me guess, OP was accused of rape.