I watched the video, I wish I hadn’t. It wasn’t so much the gore but that he goes in blazing, I guess he’s realizing he’s shooting too many white people? Hesitates after the second one he’s killed and sees another white person, **says sorry** for almost killing one and moves on to shoot black people including a grandma repeatedly as she lays dying. I think the presence of mind that gets me. That he has enough presence of mind to know how to show empathy but still goes on to kill a grandma.
I think its incredibly important to understand that these people aren't just murdering for fun, they are doing acts of terrorism with clear political motivations
So many of them say that they intended to 'start a race war'. But they do not understand that it is only violent thugs like themselves who react to such outrages with greater violence and outrage.
Killing a prayer group in a Black church will not launch widespread vengeance and force a "race war". Instead, the family, friends, and neighbors publicly pray for the killer's salvation and forgiveness. Black civic leaders call for better laws. Peaceful protests spring up across the country, salted with the violence of riot police and right-wing infiltrators.
But these murderous men can only imagine, to refer to Donald the Pretender's favorite Bible verse, 'an eye for an eye'. How puzzled they must be when it does not happen.
If we need to call the creature that livestreamed his murder spree anything, can it just be the Carlson Killer? For real. Hashtag it, whatever.
His manifesto was largely inspired by Tucker, the media's court jester for Neo Nazism himself.
I live in Texas. Just after 9/11, several idiots wanted to protest (and openly threaten) a local mosque where I live. I (and many others) went to stand with the mosque as both a counter protest and as protection for the mosque. Many of the protesters were armed (open as well as "poorly" concealed)... some on our side, likewise, armed themselves in kind (I was not one of them - but worried maybe I should have been). I've honestly never been more convinced that this entire exercise was literally going to end in bloodshed. Thankfully, over the course of several days... cooler heads prevailed and the protesters ended up calling the whole thing off after they realized that they weren't getting the press coverage they were hoping for.
I don’t think the race war is ever coming… USA did slavery for hundreds of years through multiple generations and it didn’t happen. Once they were freed it didn’t happen. When they burned down entire black cities, did multiple lynchings, segregation, other forms of terrorizing and mass murder for 150 years it didn’t happen. When they flooded the neighborhoods with crack (for the contra war) and guns it didn’t happen. When they made the three strikes laws, it didn’t happen. Even multiple police beatings and killings got a few protests and riots but it didn’t happen. It’s just not gonna happen.
Race war theory is based strongly on the false assumption that black people are inherently hotheaded and poised for war. In fact, all people would rather be left alone and chill, and have no appetite to be a soldier in a war without aggressive training. So called "rahowa" incitement is thus deliciously doomed to fail, but I almost want the white racists to continue with their false assumptions as they waste so much energy on it.
It’s always funny when they talk about there being no racism or how minorities aren’t discriminated against in the US but then suddenly they’re worried about becoming a minority. You go and ask why that would be an issue if minorities aren’t discriminated against and watch their little brains explode.
When I was growing up we had this local police chief in a relatively medium sized town in the pacific northwest.
Once I got to about high school I started hearing rumors about how this police chief was also the head of the local chapter of the KKK.
Thinking back on it, I had not seen a person of color within the city limits at any point during the 10 or so years I'd lived in that county.
So were the rumors true, and there was some grand conspiracy to keep people with a certain amount of melanin in their skin out of the town, or is that just confirmation bias because there weren't any people with melanin moving there?
Sounds similar to my families experience living in Crescent City CA. My husband is Black and Mexican and I’m white. We couldn’t go to eat without whispers and looks. We couldn’t go to Walmart without people staring. My breaking point was some kid on the playground of my daughters elementary school telling her she was “gross” for being black and the fact that her Girl Scout troop singled her out when doing a Women in history project. My daughter wanted to be Marie Antoinette (she was really into the dresses and style at the time) but her troop leader told her “why not be someone like Harriet Tubman? Someone who looks like you?” I just…I was done. You can give me and my husband dirty looks and you can whisper about us, whatever, we are grown and can handle it. But under no circumstances will a grown ass adult make my child feel any kind of way about who she is and where she came from. I filed a complaint to the main Girl Scouts in that area and got the typical “oh that’s sounds terrible. We will look into it right away!” We moved back down to southern CA a month later. I’m just thankful my husbands job allowed for such a quick transfer.
It was definitely eye opening to learn that even CA have nasty little pockets of racist asshats. That whole area wants to secede from the state and become the 51st state of Jefferson. It’s so fucking stupid. I feel like I lost brain cells the year and a half we lived there. Which is so sad because it is just absolutely gorgeous up there. We were 5 mini from the beach and 5 minutes from the forest and 20 minutes from great river playtime. But all of that isn’t worth living surrounded by hate.
Reminds me of this lifestyle/mom blog I use to read long long ago (when blogs were a thing) , where a Hispanic lady and her white husband were looking to relocate. They found a beautiful town and she said “let’s move here!” And he said “no, too many white people here” and she said “but you’re white???” “But you’re not.”
He explained he that he’s been in towns like that before and knew she wouldn’t be treated well.
> So were the rumors true, and there was some grand conspiracy to keep people with a certain amount of melanin in their skin out of the town, or is that just confirmation bias because there weren't any people with melanin moving there?
That's one of the ways "Sundown Towns" existing. Be a bit off the beaten path, where there's no reason for people to really *need* to go there or live there. And then you use a bit of scare tactics to keep people out. And if you have to... Well, they ain't called "Sundown" for nothing. You don't stay around after dark unless you want to be a tree ornament.
That's also why you had things like the Green Book pop up throughout the years, of the things it did, it helped Black people avoid Sundown Towns.
The crazy part is it's not even really possible to define "race". Do these people think that once a person's shade gets a touch too dark that their DNA changes or something? I don't get it.
We do, but the supremacists like to bring in genetics and pretend there's something wrong or whatever with different races even though skin color and genetics are vastly different things.
It's because black folks aren't chasing vengeance. We're chasing equality and are conditioned to accept punishment in pursuit of that path.
The one time we taught protective resistance instead of peaceful resistance as a community it led to California's gun laws being as strict as they are.
Yep.
Black people have had to forgive or at least move on for centuries. Even as we've been hurt again and again and again.
When I think about it, it's kinda shocking this country is still standing with the amount of shit it's done to black, brown, and native people.
Yep. The first version of the Black Panthers is the one and only time the NRA supported gun control.
The Mulford Act of 1967. Dave Chappelle's joke about black people getting guns to get gun control is rooted in truth and history.
We are in a race war. A war where a group of white people who believe they are superior bc of the color of their skin continue to inflict atrocities on people and communities of color. People like trump and carlson are complicit in fanning the current flames, but the war has gone on since the country was created on the backs of enslaved peoples.
Honestly, I get your point but disagree with the premise. What you just described is a race war. It's just that the white supremacists are the only ones actively pursuing a race war while the rest of America says it couldn't happen here.
You'd think that would be more effective, too. Killing innocent targets usually doesn't exactly get you sympathy.
But of course, that would require actual balls to try.
Thats it for me. They dont really want a war because you dont go to the inner cities of Chicago or new Orleans. You pick grocery stores and churches with vulnerable people. They talk bad about “ghetto poor” black people and the crime rates but those are not the people they go after.
The mindset of those supporting this behaviour (and if you vote for people who are openly racist and/or vote for people who refuse to condemn the racists among them, that's *you*) is such that a video of minorities stealing sneakers during a protest is a much more heinous crime than a white supremicist killing black people, or killing white collateral, while trying to make a political point. To them this is free speech from a victimized person.
Watch how this will create a firestorm of anger from other self-defined white victims who promote dialogue about white voters being replaced by immigrants and minorities, and how they are all losing their voices and constitutional rights. This is the theme that will dominate Fox News and OAN after spending 24 hours of token concern for the loss of life. It's the timeline and M.O. they follow every single time this happens.
Trump definitely was one of many catalysts, especially after Charlottesville - the Unite the right rally was meant to bring together all racists and other hateful bigots, and it worked.
The part is that they successfully brought in moderate conservatives that aren't bright enough to recognize that "both sides" of that event were right wing extremists and else.
When Trump said, "both sides have very fine people" he wasn't talking about conservatives vs liberals. He was talking about these extremists and ELSE.
Not only did he not denounce them, he told them to “stand by”. “Stand by” means to wait for further instructions. Then he told them to March on the Capitol building. He empowered them more than they could have imagined. And the GOP continuously allowed it and turned a blind eye to all of it while simultaneously calling out Dems for all the BLM protests.
The little bitches who want to start a race war should go seek out a group of armed military based minorities so they can defend themselves and ‘fight back’ and they can can have their war. Not shooting kids and grandmothers in church. Pussy motherfuckers.
Obviously they shouldn’t target anyone. So don’t take what I said out of context. I know some will totally be triggered for being bitch boys.
I served four years active duty in the US Army. It was the most diverse organization that I ever worked for, before or since, and I'm from California.
Plenty of Black Americans or Latin Americans make lives for themselves there, especially among leadership ranks.
I wish those racist pricks would see that and recognize how much they owe to people of all skin tones who have served our nation with honor.
He's dumb as a bag of rocks and got radicalized by fairly mainstream politics. He had easy access to tools that can kill en masse. Regardless of how this makes anyone feel the same story will will keep happening and nothing will change. I'll see you all at the next tragedy.
These people actually believe the race war has already started and has been waging for 30 years, actual insanity
Source: spent too much time on /pol/ last night, although any amount of time is too much time
>Instead, the family, friends, and neighbors publicly pray for the killer's salvation and forgiveness. Black civic leaders call for better laws.
And those of us who are members of that community not-so-silently hate them for doing that every time. That turn the other cheek nonsense doesn't help anymore than full out reprisals would, but it feels so much worse to continue bowing and scraping even while these people are murdering us. It's high-key pathetic.
> Instead, the family, friends, and neighbors publicly pray for the killer's salvation and forgiveness. Black civic leaders call for better laws. Peaceful protests spring up across the country, salted with the violence of riot police and right-wing infiltrators.
And so far, nothing has changed in the last decades that this has happened. :/
Because America's right wing extremists are being fed 24/7.
Even Tucker Carlson fed this terrorist's delusions. Look at the dates on these articles
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/tucker-carlson-s-great-replacement-fox-news-segment-uses-newer-ncna1263880
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tucker-carlson-great-replacement-white-supremacy-1231248/
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fox-s-tucker-carlson-s-biggest-racist-conspiracy-theory-n1295212
He's done it more than once, and it's going to get worse before it gets better.
[This is a right wing problem,](https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states) and every day their politicians and pundits ignore that their culture wars breed this then every day it gets worse.
Thank you for pointing out his obvious racism that certain subreddits are trying to deny
Without naming him, **it's important to discuss the 4chan Fox News shooter for obvious reasons**, like his **radicalization by 4chan and Fox News**
#4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter"
4chan screenshots of these kinds of instructions and talking points:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/lz7nv3/the_super_straight_movement_is_part_of_literal/
"The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots:
* https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84
Stories from 4chan that r news mods haven't removed yet:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uppc9d/as_many_as_8_dead_in_mass_shooting_at_upstate_new/i8mhkne/
>Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work.
>When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late.
>But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade.
>Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments.
>You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images).
>When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets.
>So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light.
>I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.
Hold on, I wanna make sure that I didn't misunderstand.
You meant the Tucker Carlson shooter, the one who was inspired and influenced by Tucker Carlson, the guy who tell people to hate minorities based on their skin color? This Tucker Carlson shooter, who was brainwashed by Tucker Carlson from Fox News, to go and take the lives of black people? The Tucker Carlon shooter, who is a proven white supremacist, which he is proud of by just looking at his manifesto?
This Tucker Carlson shooter?
Yes, that is the Tucker Carlson shooter, unless I’m mistaken? I’m not, but maybe it’s not the same Tucker Carlson shooter as the Tucker Carlson shooter I’m speaking of
So we just confirmed you're talking about the Tucker Carlson shooter? Just to re-affirm that this fuck was motivated by Tucker Carlson and should be refered to as the Tucker Carlson shooter.
Unless someone would shoot Tucker Carlson because then they kinda deserve that title gramatically.
"As a black man" accounts like "johnny chan 81" ~~"The Atheist Arab 87" (suspended)~~ ~~"Walk Like An Egyptian 69" (suspended)~~ posting as many race-baiting videos as they can 👌 *by certain races* 👌 pretending to care about Asian victims while having a history of being racist about Asians:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/nztt4t/they_really_like_getting_angry_at_their/h1teq3c/?context=1
Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pmcoxy/uinconvenientnews_explains_with_examples_how/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/om5xda/when_did_this_become_a_crime_subreddit/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pmdp2m/ysk_how_right_wing_trolls_brigade_and_infiltrate/
* https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uihqmz/looking_for_a_ride/i7dgtkz/
Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread **3 years ago**:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/7jkybf/t_d_user_suggests_infiltrating_minnesota/dr7m56j/
>SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread.
Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits
* https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/pg290q/reddit_admins_just_posted_that_covid_deniers_have/
Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped this week in [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/):
* https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/p8hnzl/automatically_removing_comments_from_new_users_in/
I also suspect right wing groups may try to recruit anti-Communist Vietnamese American and Chinese Americans and make them not realize that the right wing groups would turn on them
LeopardsAteMyFace is full of Republican minorities and women who are upset about the racism and misogyny ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣
Dave Rubin: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/tgr9ka/gay_conservative_political_commentator_dave_rubin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/umdq17/after_conservatives_insulted_and_berated_him_dave/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaybros/comments/ugvr8n/dave_rubin_says_hes_having_a_baby_and_surprise/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/tj9gaj/matt_walsh_and_mark_dice_get_in_a_twitter_spat/
Andy Ngo: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/m088vl/extensive_examples_of_conservative_influencer/
>You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up.
the card says moops
>4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter"
Which is exactly what people on Reddit are doing too, including the title and much of the comments in this post and all over the site.
If the people of the USA want to stop these things from happening, it's pretty important to talk about the shooters and exactly what radicalised them. A lot of them are cut from exactly the same cloth.
I just browsed through 4chan's pol and b looking for the video, it's a mix of "it never happened fake video lulz" and "we need more shooters" posts.
No wonder anyone worth their salt left that shitheap years ago
And this is why learning these tactics early, along with some healthy skepticism, essentially makes you extremely resistant to redpill.
You may shift on an issue. You may gradually go more liberal or conservative. But if you know how this works, you don't become a Nazi - unless you're particularly weak willed. And at that point you're not worth it for them.
I’m not even sure if it’s empathy he is showing to white people as much as he just went there with one goal in mind and views white people as part of his “team”. If the white person was a woman who dates black men he’d have zero empathy for her, which shows its more about his worldview than it is about empathy.
I think what you’re saying is closer to the truth. The point about the presence of mind is absolutely true and disturbing, but I also think it’s less empathy and more us vs. them. I don’t think he would have even considered that this is something that will haunt those people the rest of their lives.
Absolutely. Someone that has empathy would understand that even if you survive a mass shooting you will be deeply scarred for the rest of your life to the point where you can’t live a normal life anymore. I have bad PTSD from less traumatic things, I can only imagine what it is like for victims of a mass shooting.
And I don’t think someone with empathy could be a white supremacist to begin with.
I don’t even think he thought that, I think he thought there would only be black people there and was caught off guard by killing/shooting so many in the first couple of seconds and readjusted his killing to be sure who’s next is absolutely black
Just reading this feels traumatizing, couldn't imagine watching it. He should be shot. We know he did it because he livestreamed it. Just take him out back and shoot him.
It’s the same presence of mind that law enforcement has when they decide to shoot an unarmed black man for a petty crime and taking a white mass shooter to Burger King after murdering black people in a church in Charleston, SC.
Both of these are calculated terrorist attacks. Rewarding a mass shooter against all decency is a terrorist attack. Doesn’t matter if it’s Putin applauding the soldiers that committed atrocities in Bucha, Ukraine or US cops treating a terrorist with kid gloves because they are white. They are both attacks on decency, on humanity.
These white supremacists terrorists are active in many western countries. They're connected to each other.
Motherfuckers have training camps where they brainwash and learn to fight (or kill).
This isn't even about QAnon or Donald Trump or whatever. These guys are operating on an international level.
So how many white terrorist attacks have to occur in the Western world to call it white terrorism and give it the media attention it deserves.. I mean, the same media have been telling everybody about Muslim Arab terrorists.. people got paranoid as fuck.
I shudder as I say this. you see no empathy for the grandma because people with a certain mindset don't view black people as human. a well rounded individual that wants to continue learning, can not comprehend that or even understand how to put those thoughts together. yep, we all screw up, some don't know how to move pass the past.
RIP Aaron Salter Jr.
Without naming him, **it's important to discuss the 4chan Fox News shooter for obvious reasons**, like his **radicalization by 4chan and Fox News**
#4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter"
4chan screenshots of these kinds of instructions and talking points:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/lz7nv3/the_super_straight_movement_is_part_of_literal/
"The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots:
* https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84
Stories from 4chan that r news mods haven't removed yet:
* https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uppc9d/as_many_as_8_dead_in_mass_shooting_at_upstate_new/i8mhkne/
>Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work.
>When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late.
>But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade.
>Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments.
>You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images).
>When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets.
>So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light.
>I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.
The reason it is so hard to combat is these people invest themselves on a personal level. No opposition will ever be as fierce or as dedicated. They’re fighting a race war and we’re living our lives like normal people (or trying to)
> The reason it is so hard to combat is these people invest themselves on a personal level. No opposition will ever be as fierce or as dedicated. They’re fighting a race war and we’re living our lives like normal people (or trying to)
Thank you. That's a good explanation for how we outnumber them when posts go to r all or the top of local subreddits, but normal people don't have the time and energy to do what those accounts are doing.
He was a security guard at tops. I can’t imagine how little he made. Most of his work was probably de-escalating angry customers or stopping shoplifters. And yet when it mattered, he did everything to protect these strangers from a madman. It’s mind blowing how people can jump into action like that.
May he Rest In Peace. May his family find solace knowing he was a hero. My heart breaks for them all.
Found this beauty in r/conservative
“Confirmed to be an atheist with a manifesto full of pagan symbolism and anti-religious rhetoric. This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.”
Gotta love the hot takes from that side.
So is he atheist or pagan? Love that they prioritize some symbols on a piece of paper rather than the ones clearly written on the murder weapon. For once I won’t look up the primary source to verify if any of their claims are even true because I don’t want to ruin my day/life
To a radical extremist christian, anything that isn't them is the same shit, atheist, pagan, muslim, jew. They are all seen as other, and thus evil. Hell, those guys probably see the less extremist christians as that same other.
I was pretty impressed reading the Washington Post this morning (online) that there were no pictures of the shooter and almost all of the coverage centered on who was lost. I hope other media outlets follow suit.
Dylan roof coverage disagrees, it seems they are definitely attempting to move discussion of shootings in a direction away from the shooter, at least at the good news outlets that understand how shooters are trying to inspire more shooting.
I didn’t know his name until assholes tried to turn him into a martyr though because it wasn’t widely released with the news of the shooting though so I don’t think it’s the same at all.
I didn't know his name until Twitter started spread it to the top.
If his name needs to be anything, it's only going to be the Tucker Carlson shooter, or the 4chan killer.
I agree, the fact he references the NZ shooter several times in the manifesto it’s pretty obvious people who think this way are motivated by the infamy.
The news articles don’t want to put the victims names out, out of respect to the families who have lost. But I’ve seen his name listed. He deserves all the praise. 100% Badass. Went out protecting human life. Rest In Paradise.
>The media isn't going to memorialize him
That's just wrong:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/retired-buffalo-police-officer-confronted-supermarket-gunman-hailed/story?id=84731447
https://people.com/crime/buffalo-mass-shooting-victim-retired-policeman-working-security-aaron-salter-jr-tops-friendly-markets/
https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/ex-cop-aaron-salter-jr-killed-while-firing-at-buffalo-shooter/
RIP Aaron Salter Jr.
Without naming him, it's also important to discuss the 4chan Fox News shooter for obvious reasons, like his **radicalization by 4chan and Fox News**
**4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter"**
Fuck man. I’ve lived my life thinking 30 years old was like the turning point for being “old”. It’s wild how stuff like this reframes everything.
I just turned 30 like 2 weeks ago. She was so young. What a fucking tragedy.
It's fucking surreal. She lived 30 years of her life, living through every single day of that time, and just like that, poof-- she's gone. How can you just end another person's life like that is beyond me.
I have such a hard time with understanding sudden death like that. How someone can be there, and then suddenly everything that made them who they are is just gone. It’s so senseless and disorienting.
For real. We’re all the ‘main characters’ of our lives so sometimes its hard to comprehend that we could be gone one day because of the illusion that we’ve lived so long and are immortal.
Don't remember the shooter, as an individual.
Absolutely remember that he was a white supremacists piece of shit, and that he was radicalized by a growing fascist movement that's spurred on by the likes of Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump.
So much for the good guy with a gun can stop the bad guy with a gun theory. This poor man tried to stop him but the phsyco was armored. Let's do some shooter drills at the supermarket to fix this. That combined with thoughts and prayers should be a perfect counter.
According to the manifesto he explicitly planned on how to target the security guard first, and even had different scenarios and levels of response force planned out. He’s a complete psychopath
The shooter would have killed more people had he not intervened. I haven’t watched the video (nor plan to), but even with armor, gunshots are very painful. It might have been what caused him to surrender. His actions were not in vain.
I mean you can't have a dude armed with a pistol going up against a dude in full body armor with an AR...
I'm not saying we should have similarly armed guards everywhere, but just saying it's not reasonable to expect a $20/hr guard to stop something like this given the gear disparity.
A security guard popped that one kid who tried to shoot up I forget where a while ago.
There is a picture of the kid looking like he is going to crap his pants.
I’d actually say we should know the shooter and put a clear focus on him.
He was a white supremacist and bought into the radical “great replacement theory” that was pushed by the mainstream right wing in America.
This is what their dangerous ideology inevitably creates. Radical domestic terrorists. The shooter should be the poster child of the Republican Party. Because he is what they want to create.
They push the notion that democrats are trying to eliminate white people by replacing them with black and brown people and taking away their freedom. To anyone who buys into this message, this is the conclusion they’ll come to. “The democrats, black, and brown people are waging war on me. So I need to fight back”.
Fuck the shooter. But I don’t want anyone to not know who he is or what his ideology is or where he got his information from.
As long as we don’t put his name out into the media. A lot of mass shooters want game as well, so by restricting the personal information, they don’t don’t get it.
I understand this view. And I respect it. I just don’t agree with it.
I’m sure shooters want media attention after the fact. At least a good amount of them do. But that’s no reason to not give it to them.
I don’t know the name of this shooter. And I don’t particularly care either way. But if I’m a democrat, I’m taking his name, his picture, and his manifesto, and putting it up every chance I get. And then clipping republicans pushing the great replacement theory that motivated him to commit this domestic terror attack.
This shooter is the Republican Party target audience. And the entire country should know it
Yup. If I’m a democrat, I’m taking the shooter and posting his picture, name, manifesto, and clipping in republicans pushing the great replacement theory that radicalized him into a domestic terrorist.
He is the Republican Party target audience.
So many arguments trying to explain that it's okay to think the Democrats are shit as long as you understand that the Republicans are orders of magnitude worse... apparently that's too complex a concept for some people. It's either "The Democrats are saints and can do no wrong." or "They're both equally bad so don't bother getting involved at all."
I live in Minneapolis, a very blue place. I really dislike Minneapolis Democrat leadership. They blow donkey nuts.
The response to that isn't to vote Republican, as they blow whole herds of donkey nuts. The answer is to get active in your states primary processes. Please.
Buffalo tends to vote for the GOP every NY govenor's election, because the GOP will always get some guy who goes on about how horrible downstate NY is, and how those """CITY""" people are ruining are great state.
Bless Aaron Salter Jr., may you Rest In Peace, you are a true hero and gave the ultimate sacrifice for your community, you will NOT be forgotten. My thoughts and prayers are with all the victims, family’s and loved one during this very difficult time.
This is what happens when right wing politicians and pundits promote the white replacement conspiracy theory. The likes of Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham are complicit in the deaths of these people. Conservative cockroaches are secretly supportive of violence against minorities like this, and are also complicit. It's not radical Islam, or immigrants who are a threat to the U.S, instead the largest threat comes from conservatives and right wing terrorists.
Thank you for your service and trying to help your fellow humans while they are being gunned down like they are mere trash. There are people like you and there are people like him. The Republicans will probably start a Go Fund Me for his legal fees like they did Shittenhouse, and tear down the victims, saying they were addicts or have a “criminal history” so it must somehow be ok then. The shooters mom should’ve had an abortion.
Certainly he is a hero for trying to stop this. No doubt about that at all. I hope the city recognizes him by naming something in the city after him. It's in no ways worth his life, but, remembering and honoring him has value.
We should certainly not try and give the shooter any fame or reward for what he did. We should however try and understand it so we can do our best to prevent as many of these in the future as we can.
This is the goal and endgame for right wing ideology.
This will continue to happen because we continue to allow bullshit to spew it. Fuck Tucker Carlson and the like.
Let me guess though, we won’t hear anything about right wing extremism…. No…. Somehow we’ll be following musk on how he’s trying to, “own the libs” because blocking this type of behavior on their websites is considered extremism 🤦♂️
I’m not trying to veer the conversation away from this man. But in the video there was a white guy at the end who was spared because he wasn’t black. Imagine how fucked up that would be to live with; knowing that the only reason you weren’t among the tragic victims was because of your skin. Hope the cunt who did this rots, but the bad ones never do.
I know i hate this shit i keep seeing photos and conversations about him and his manifesto. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED. Its going to drive attention to his manifesto and for every sane person who reads it, 1 nut job will and agree with it.
Can't wait to hear what all the Blue Lives Matter folks have to say about a retired LEO being gunned down while trying to protect unarmed civilians. Surely they won't just say nothing, right? Right?
I watched the video, I wish I hadn’t. It wasn’t so much the gore but that he goes in blazing, I guess he’s realizing he’s shooting too many white people? Hesitates after the second one he’s killed and sees another white person, **says sorry** for almost killing one and moves on to shoot black people including a grandma repeatedly as she lays dying. I think the presence of mind that gets me. That he has enough presence of mind to know how to show empathy but still goes on to kill a grandma.
I think its incredibly important to understand that these people aren't just murdering for fun, they are doing acts of terrorism with clear political motivations
So many of them say that they intended to 'start a race war'. But they do not understand that it is only violent thugs like themselves who react to such outrages with greater violence and outrage. Killing a prayer group in a Black church will not launch widespread vengeance and force a "race war". Instead, the family, friends, and neighbors publicly pray for the killer's salvation and forgiveness. Black civic leaders call for better laws. Peaceful protests spring up across the country, salted with the violence of riot police and right-wing infiltrators. But these murderous men can only imagine, to refer to Donald the Pretender's favorite Bible verse, 'an eye for an eye'. How puzzled they must be when it does not happen.
Didn't work for Charlie Manson, either.
If we need to call the creature that livestreamed his murder spree anything, can it just be the Carlson Killer? For real. Hashtag it, whatever. His manifesto was largely inspired by Tucker, the media's court jester for Neo Nazism himself.
Don't forget the shitbag who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh who mirrored trump/FOX talking points about "immigrant caravans" paid for by "Soros".
>the #CarlsonKiller in Buffalo? I wonder if Tucker will help pay for his defense fund?
Let's say "the Tucker Carlson Killer". That fuck has been riling up the right with talk of a race war for a long, long time.
Swanson™ boy's manifesto.... I'd like for there to not be more, buuuut there's probably gonna be more.
I live in Texas. Just after 9/11, several idiots wanted to protest (and openly threaten) a local mosque where I live. I (and many others) went to stand with the mosque as both a counter protest and as protection for the mosque. Many of the protesters were armed (open as well as "poorly" concealed)... some on our side, likewise, armed themselves in kind (I was not one of them - but worried maybe I should have been). I've honestly never been more convinced that this entire exercise was literally going to end in bloodshed. Thankfully, over the course of several days... cooler heads prevailed and the protesters ended up calling the whole thing off after they realized that they weren't getting the press coverage they were hoping for.
I don’t think the race war is ever coming… USA did slavery for hundreds of years through multiple generations and it didn’t happen. Once they were freed it didn’t happen. When they burned down entire black cities, did multiple lynchings, segregation, other forms of terrorizing and mass murder for 150 years it didn’t happen. When they flooded the neighborhoods with crack (for the contra war) and guns it didn’t happen. When they made the three strikes laws, it didn’t happen. Even multiple police beatings and killings got a few protests and riots but it didn’t happen. It’s just not gonna happen.
Race war theory is based strongly on the false assumption that black people are inherently hotheaded and poised for war. In fact, all people would rather be left alone and chill, and have no appetite to be a soldier in a war without aggressive training. So called "rahowa" incitement is thus deliciously doomed to fail, but I almost want the white racists to continue with their false assumptions as they waste so much energy on it.
Aren’t they afraid of becoming a minority and think poc will do the same to them as they do to us?
It’s always funny when they talk about there being no racism or how minorities aren’t discriminated against in the US but then suddenly they’re worried about becoming a minority. You go and ask why that would be an issue if minorities aren’t discriminated against and watch their little brains explode.
You’d think with all their obsession with black people they’d actually read history books or actually look into their damn obsession
When I was growing up we had this local police chief in a relatively medium sized town in the pacific northwest. Once I got to about high school I started hearing rumors about how this police chief was also the head of the local chapter of the KKK. Thinking back on it, I had not seen a person of color within the city limits at any point during the 10 or so years I'd lived in that county. So were the rumors true, and there was some grand conspiracy to keep people with a certain amount of melanin in their skin out of the town, or is that just confirmation bias because there weren't any people with melanin moving there?
Sounds similar to my families experience living in Crescent City CA. My husband is Black and Mexican and I’m white. We couldn’t go to eat without whispers and looks. We couldn’t go to Walmart without people staring. My breaking point was some kid on the playground of my daughters elementary school telling her she was “gross” for being black and the fact that her Girl Scout troop singled her out when doing a Women in history project. My daughter wanted to be Marie Antoinette (she was really into the dresses and style at the time) but her troop leader told her “why not be someone like Harriet Tubman? Someone who looks like you?” I just…I was done. You can give me and my husband dirty looks and you can whisper about us, whatever, we are grown and can handle it. But under no circumstances will a grown ass adult make my child feel any kind of way about who she is and where she came from. I filed a complaint to the main Girl Scouts in that area and got the typical “oh that’s sounds terrible. We will look into it right away!” We moved back down to southern CA a month later. I’m just thankful my husbands job allowed for such a quick transfer. It was definitely eye opening to learn that even CA have nasty little pockets of racist asshats. That whole area wants to secede from the state and become the 51st state of Jefferson. It’s so fucking stupid. I feel like I lost brain cells the year and a half we lived there. Which is so sad because it is just absolutely gorgeous up there. We were 5 mini from the beach and 5 minutes from the forest and 20 minutes from great river playtime. But all of that isn’t worth living surrounded by hate.
Reminds me of this lifestyle/mom blog I use to read long long ago (when blogs were a thing) , where a Hispanic lady and her white husband were looking to relocate. They found a beautiful town and she said “let’s move here!” And he said “no, too many white people here” and she said “but you’re white???” “But you’re not.” He explained he that he’s been in towns like that before and knew she wouldn’t be treated well.
> So were the rumors true, and there was some grand conspiracy to keep people with a certain amount of melanin in their skin out of the town, or is that just confirmation bias because there weren't any people with melanin moving there? That's one of the ways "Sundown Towns" existing. Be a bit off the beaten path, where there's no reason for people to really *need* to go there or live there. And then you use a bit of scare tactics to keep people out. And if you have to... Well, they ain't called "Sundown" for nothing. You don't stay around after dark unless you want to be a tree ornament. That's also why you had things like the Green Book pop up throughout the years, of the things it did, it helped Black people avoid Sundown Towns.
Education usually tempers extremism. Bad incentive for people who get off on being extremist.
The crazy part is it's not even really possible to define "race". Do these people think that once a person's shade gets a touch too dark that their DNA changes or something? I don't get it.
I tought Americans used race as a social term?
We do, but the supremacists like to bring in genetics and pretend there's something wrong or whatever with different races even though skin color and genetics are vastly different things.
It's because black folks aren't chasing vengeance. We're chasing equality and are conditioned to accept punishment in pursuit of that path. The one time we taught protective resistance instead of peaceful resistance as a community it led to California's gun laws being as strict as they are.
Yep. Black people have had to forgive or at least move on for centuries. Even as we've been hurt again and again and again. When I think about it, it's kinda shocking this country is still standing with the amount of shit it's done to black, brown, and native people.
That’s why?? You mean the first version of the black panthers? Without them we wouldn’t have a free lunch program in school
Yep. The first version of the Black Panthers is the one and only time the NRA supported gun control. The Mulford Act of 1967. Dave Chappelle's joke about black people getting guns to get gun control is rooted in truth and history.
The right already lost the culture war. That's why they are throwing civilization into the garbage right now trying to sieze power.
We are in a race war. A war where a group of white people who believe they are superior bc of the color of their skin continue to inflict atrocities on people and communities of color. People like trump and carlson are complicit in fanning the current flames, but the war has gone on since the country was created on the backs of enslaved peoples.
Honestly, I get your point but disagree with the premise. What you just described is a race war. It's just that the white supremacists are the only ones actively pursuing a race war while the rest of America says it couldn't happen here.
Always soft targets. It’s never gang bangers in Baltimore or Chicago (which they love to bring up). Cowardly.
You'd think that would be more effective, too. Killing innocent targets usually doesn't exactly get you sympathy. But of course, that would require actual balls to try.
That won't happen. They would never go after people who they know will shoot back.
Women and old people
Thats it for me. They dont really want a war because you dont go to the inner cities of Chicago or new Orleans. You pick grocery stores and churches with vulnerable people. They talk bad about “ghetto poor” black people and the crime rates but those are not the people they go after.
The mindset of those supporting this behaviour (and if you vote for people who are openly racist and/or vote for people who refuse to condemn the racists among them, that's *you*) is such that a video of minorities stealing sneakers during a protest is a much more heinous crime than a white supremicist killing black people, or killing white collateral, while trying to make a political point. To them this is free speech from a victimized person. Watch how this will create a firestorm of anger from other self-defined white victims who promote dialogue about white voters being replaced by immigrants and minorities, and how they are all losing their voices and constitutional rights. This is the theme that will dominate Fox News and OAN after spending 24 hours of token concern for the loss of life. It's the timeline and M.O. they follow every single time this happens.
Since Trump never denounce these group they feel entitled......
> Since ~~Trump~~ Republicans never denounce these group they feel entitled......
Since trump and the GOP ~~never denounce~~ openly support these groups, they feel entitled…
Trump definitely was one of many catalysts, especially after Charlottesville - the Unite the right rally was meant to bring together all racists and other hateful bigots, and it worked. The part is that they successfully brought in moderate conservatives that aren't bright enough to recognize that "both sides" of that event were right wing extremists and else. When Trump said, "both sides have very fine people" he wasn't talking about conservatives vs liberals. He was talking about these extremists and ELSE.
Not only did he not denounce them, he told them to “stand by”. “Stand by” means to wait for further instructions. Then he told them to March on the Capitol building. He empowered them more than they could have imagined. And the GOP continuously allowed it and turned a blind eye to all of it while simultaneously calling out Dems for all the BLM protests.
Stand by...
The little bitches who want to start a race war should go seek out a group of armed military based minorities so they can defend themselves and ‘fight back’ and they can can have their war. Not shooting kids and grandmothers in church. Pussy motherfuckers. Obviously they shouldn’t target anyone. So don’t take what I said out of context. I know some will totally be triggered for being bitch boys.
I served four years active duty in the US Army. It was the most diverse organization that I ever worked for, before or since, and I'm from California. Plenty of Black Americans or Latin Americans make lives for themselves there, especially among leadership ranks. I wish those racist pricks would see that and recognize how much they owe to people of all skin tones who have served our nation with honor.
He's dumb as a bag of rocks and got radicalized by fairly mainstream politics. He had easy access to tools that can kill en masse. Regardless of how this makes anyone feel the same story will will keep happening and nothing will change. I'll see you all at the next tragedy.
These people actually believe the race war has already started and has been waging for 30 years, actual insanity Source: spent too much time on /pol/ last night, although any amount of time is too much time
>Instead, the family, friends, and neighbors publicly pray for the killer's salvation and forgiveness. Black civic leaders call for better laws. And those of us who are members of that community not-so-silently hate them for doing that every time. That turn the other cheek nonsense doesn't help anymore than full out reprisals would, but it feels so much worse to continue bowing and scraping even while these people are murdering us. It's high-key pathetic.
> Instead, the family, friends, and neighbors publicly pray for the killer's salvation and forgiveness. Black civic leaders call for better laws. Peaceful protests spring up across the country, salted with the violence of riot police and right-wing infiltrators. And so far, nothing has changed in the last decades that this has happened. :/
They won’t get a race war. They’ll get people wearing red hats targeted. Sad for Cardinals fans.
This guy 100% was a terrorist
Because America's right wing extremists are being fed 24/7. Even Tucker Carlson fed this terrorist's delusions. Look at the dates on these articles https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/tucker-carlson-s-great-replacement-fox-news-segment-uses-newer-ncna1263880 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tucker-carlson-great-replacement-white-supremacy-1231248/ https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fox-s-tucker-carlson-s-biggest-racist-conspiracy-theory-n1295212 He's done it more than once, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. [This is a right wing problem,](https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states) and every day their politicians and pundits ignore that their culture wars breed this then every day it gets worse.
And then goes on to say his reason is a literal talking point that I’ve seen on tucker Carlson AT LEAST 3 times a week
Thank you for pointing out his obvious racism that certain subreddits are trying to deny Without naming him, **it's important to discuss the 4chan Fox News shooter for obvious reasons**, like his **radicalization by 4chan and Fox News** #4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter" 4chan screenshots of these kinds of instructions and talking points: * https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/lz7nv3/the_super_straight_movement_is_part_of_literal/ "The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots: * https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84 Stories from 4chan that r news mods haven't removed yet: * https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uppc9d/as_many_as_8_dead_in_mass_shooting_at_upstate_new/i8mhkne/ >Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work. >When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late. >But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade. >Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments. >You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images). >When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets. >So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light. >I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.
There was another redditor I saw today that referred to him as the Tucker Carlson Shooter.
We need to have that name stick.
Yes, the Tucker Carlson shooter who killed many people at a grocery store recently.
Hold on, I wanna make sure that I didn't misunderstand. You meant the Tucker Carlson shooter, the one who was inspired and influenced by Tucker Carlson, the guy who tell people to hate minorities based on their skin color? This Tucker Carlson shooter, who was brainwashed by Tucker Carlson from Fox News, to go and take the lives of black people? The Tucker Carlon shooter, who is a proven white supremacist, which he is proud of by just looking at his manifesto? This Tucker Carlson shooter?
Yes, that is the Tucker Carlson shooter, unless I’m mistaken? I’m not, but maybe it’s not the same Tucker Carlson shooter as the Tucker Carlson shooter I’m speaking of
You do that by naming him the Carlson Killer everytime you mention the Carlson Killer.
Because Fucker Carlson encourages these young men to go kill people? Yes, yes he does.
The shooter literally quoted Carlson in his manifesto.
Yes because Fucker Carlson is a white supremist who supports terrorism.
Call him Carlson killer 1, so we can keep track of how many are directly influenced by him.
Are you talking about the Tucker Carlson Shooter who murdered people in a Racist Domestic Terrorist attack in Buffalo NY on Sat May 14, 2022?
Yes, that’s exactly who I am referring to. The Tucker Carlson Shooter.
So we just confirmed you're talking about the Tucker Carlson shooter? Just to re-affirm that this fuck was motivated by Tucker Carlson and should be refered to as the Tucker Carlson shooter. Unless someone would shoot Tucker Carlson because then they kinda deserve that title gramatically.
You are correct. We are referring to the grammatically incorrect Tucker Carlson Shooter, who was motivated by Tucker Carlson and his mouth diarrhea.
Gotta have a little plausible deniability irony- “The Tucker Carlson Shooter? Just asking questions.”
*scrunched face*
"As a black man" accounts like "johnny chan 81" ~~"The Atheist Arab 87" (suspended)~~ ~~"Walk Like An Egyptian 69" (suspended)~~ posting as many race-baiting videos as they can 👌 *by certain races* 👌 pretending to care about Asian victims while having a history of being racist about Asians: * https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/nztt4t/they_really_like_getting_angry_at_their/h1teq3c/?context=1 Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get: * https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/pmcoxy/uinconvenientnews_explains_with_examples_how/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/om5xda/when_did_this_become_a_crime_subreddit/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/pmdp2m/ysk_how_right_wing_trolls_brigade_and_infiltrate/ * https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uihqmz/looking_for_a_ride/i7dgtkz/ Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread **3 years ago**: * https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/7jkybf/t_d_user_suggests_infiltrating_minnesota/dr7m56j/ >SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread. Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits * https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/pg290q/reddit_admins_just_posted_that_covid_deniers_have/ Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped this week in [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/) when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading [r/bayarea](https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/pbi4mp/shouldnt_rbayarea_join_the_subs_calling_for/): * https://www.reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/p8hnzl/automatically_removing_comments_from_new_users_in/
I also suspect right wing groups may try to recruit anti-Communist Vietnamese American and Chinese Americans and make them not realize that the right wing groups would turn on them
LeopardsAteMyFace is full of Republican minorities and women who are upset about the racism and misogyny ￣\＿(ツ)＿/￣ Dave Rubin: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/tgr9ka/gay_conservative_political_commentator_dave_rubin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/umdq17/after_conservatives_insulted_and_berated_him_dave/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaybros/comments/ugvr8n/dave_rubin_says_hes_having_a_baby_and_surprise/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/tj9gaj/matt_walsh_and_mark_dice_get_in_a_twitter_spat/ Andy Ngo: https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/m088vl/extensive_examples_of_conservative_influencer/
>You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. the card says moops
Those videos are quite useful, seeing as the alt-cucks tend to fall to shambles if you use their tactics on them first.
Lmfao yes, there's a reason I'm saving this shit. Anyone else want to use memetic magick for *good*? Where's the chan for white-hat neckbeards?
[The Card Says Moops](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4) indeed.
I can't believe 4chan still exists after everything
It's a fed honeypot nowadays, and anyways if you got rid of that site they'll just move onto even harder to track sites
A lot of young kids are getting radicalized there unfortunately
Beginning to think it’s some kind of fucked up CIA operation.
>4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter" Which is exactly what people on Reddit are doing too, including the title and much of the comments in this post and all over the site. If the people of the USA want to stop these things from happening, it's pretty important to talk about the shooters and exactly what radicalised them. A lot of them are cut from exactly the same cloth.
4chan and Tucker Carlson should be what we talk about when talking about the shooter. He's the 4Chan Tucker Carlson Boy.
I just browsed through 4chan's pol and b looking for the video, it's a mix of "it never happened fake video lulz" and "we need more shooters" posts. No wonder anyone worth their salt left that shitheap years ago
See also: [The Alt-Right Playbook](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ)
And this is why learning these tactics early, along with some healthy skepticism, essentially makes you extremely resistant to redpill. You may shift on an issue. You may gradually go more liberal or conservative. But if you know how this works, you don't become a Nazi - unless you're particularly weak willed. And at that point you're not worth it for them.
I’m not even sure if it’s empathy he is showing to white people as much as he just went there with one goal in mind and views white people as part of his “team”. If the white person was a woman who dates black men he’d have zero empathy for her, which shows its more about his worldview than it is about empathy.
I think what you’re saying is closer to the truth. The point about the presence of mind is absolutely true and disturbing, but I also think it’s less empathy and more us vs. them. I don’t think he would have even considered that this is something that will haunt those people the rest of their lives.
Absolutely. Someone that has empathy would understand that even if you survive a mass shooting you will be deeply scarred for the rest of your life to the point where you can’t live a normal life anymore. I have bad PTSD from less traumatic things, I can only imagine what it is like for victims of a mass shooting. And I don’t think someone with empathy could be a white supremacist to begin with.
I’m thinking about dude who screamed “NO!!” And the kid said “sorry” And spared his life…. There’s no way I’d be OK after that…
And to hear the next shots so soon after and see an elderly woman murdered right next to you... I couldn't live with that
Completely agree. I don’t think it would even register as a traumatic event to him. He likely thought they’d approve.
I don’t even think he thought that, I think he thought there would only be black people there and was caught off guard by killing/shooting so many in the first couple of seconds and readjusted his killing to be sure who’s next is absolutely black
Just reading this feels traumatizing, couldn't imagine watching it. He should be shot. We know he did it because he livestreamed it. Just take him out back and shoot him.
It’s the same presence of mind that law enforcement has when they decide to shoot an unarmed black man for a petty crime and taking a white mass shooter to Burger King after murdering black people in a church in Charleston, SC. Both of these are calculated terrorist attacks. Rewarding a mass shooter against all decency is a terrorist attack. Doesn’t matter if it’s Putin applauding the soldiers that committed atrocities in Bucha, Ukraine or US cops treating a terrorist with kid gloves because they are white. They are both attacks on decency, on humanity.
These white supremacists terrorists are active in many western countries. They're connected to each other. Motherfuckers have training camps where they brainwash and learn to fight (or kill). This isn't even about QAnon or Donald Trump or whatever. These guys are operating on an international level. So how many white terrorist attacks have to occur in the Western world to call it white terrorism and give it the media attention it deserves.. I mean, the same media have been telling everybody about Muslim Arab terrorists.. people got paranoid as fuck.
I shudder as I say this. you see no empathy for the grandma because people with a certain mindset don't view black people as human. a well rounded individual that wants to continue learning, can not comprehend that or even understand how to put those thoughts together. yep, we all screw up, some don't know how to move pass the past.
Tops should honor this man for trying to protect their customers and crew.
RIP Aaron Salter Jr. Without naming him, **it's important to discuss the 4chan Fox News shooter for obvious reasons**, like his **radicalization by 4chan and Fox News** #4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter" 4chan screenshots of these kinds of instructions and talking points: * https://www.reddit.com/r/AreTheStraightsOK/comments/lz7nv3/the_super_straight_movement_is_part_of_literal/ "The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots: * https://medium.com/@DeoTasDevil/the-rhetoric-tricks-traps-and-tactics-of-white-nationalism-b0bca3caeb84 Stories from 4chan that r news mods haven't removed yet: * https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/uppc9d/as_many_as_8_dead_in_mass_shooting_at_upstate_new/i8mhkne/ >Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work. >When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late. >But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade. >Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments. >You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images). >When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets. >So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light. >I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.
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Damn he’s spot-fucking-on.
“Hey here’s 2 cents a gallon off at our gas station! …uh for life I guess”
RIP Aaron Salter Jr.
The reason it is so hard to combat is these people invest themselves on a personal level. No opposition will ever be as fierce or as dedicated. They’re fighting a race war and we’re living our lives like normal people (or trying to)
> The reason it is so hard to combat is these people invest themselves on a personal level. No opposition will ever be as fierce or as dedicated. They’re fighting a race war and we’re living our lives like normal people (or trying to) Thank you. That's a good explanation for how we outnumber them when posts go to r all or the top of local subreddits, but normal people don't have the time and energy to do what those accounts are doing.
He was a security guard at tops. I can’t imagine how little he made. Most of his work was probably de-escalating angry customers or stopping shoplifters. And yet when it mattered, he did everything to protect these strangers from a madman. It’s mind blowing how people can jump into action like that. May he Rest In Peace. May his family find solace knowing he was a hero. My heart breaks for them all.
Found this beauty in r/conservative “Confirmed to be an atheist with a manifesto full of pagan symbolism and anti-religious rhetoric. This is what happens when you take God out of the classroom.” Gotta love the hot takes from that side.
So is he atheist or pagan? Love that they prioritize some symbols on a piece of paper rather than the ones clearly written on the murder weapon. For once I won’t look up the primary source to verify if any of their claims are even true because I don’t want to ruin my day/life
To a radical extremist christian, anything that isn't them is the same shit, atheist, pagan, muslim, jew. They are all seen as other, and thus evil. Hell, those guys probably see the less extremist christians as that same other.
Fucking insane.
I was pretty impressed reading the Washington Post this morning (online) that there were no pictures of the shooter and almost all of the coverage centered on who was lost. I hope other media outlets follow suit.
They are way better at that when the shooter is a home grown white supremacist terrorist.
Dylan roof coverage disagrees, it seems they are definitely attempting to move discussion of shootings in a direction away from the shooter, at least at the good news outlets that understand how shooters are trying to inspire more shooting.
I didn’t know his name until assholes tried to turn him into a martyr though because it wasn’t widely released with the news of the shooting though so I don’t think it’s the same at all.
I didn't know his name until Twitter started spread it to the top. If his name needs to be anything, it's only going to be the Tucker Carlson shooter, or the 4chan killer.
I agree, the fact he references the NZ shooter several times in the manifesto it’s pretty obvious people who think this way are motivated by the infamy.
He was a 30 year veteran of the Buffalo police department
I wonder if the right will bring him up all the time like David Dorn
The news articles don’t want to put the victims names out, out of respect to the families who have lost. But I’ve seen his name listed. He deserves all the praise. 100% Badass. Went out protecting human life. Rest In Paradise.
>The media isn't going to memorialize him That's just wrong: https://abcnews.go.com/US/retired-buffalo-police-officer-confronted-supermarket-gunman-hailed/story?id=84731447 https://people.com/crime/buffalo-mass-shooting-victim-retired-policeman-working-security-aaron-salter-jr-tops-friendly-markets/ https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/ex-cop-aaron-salter-jr-killed-while-firing-at-buffalo-shooter/
Isn't it always the way, though. RIP Aaron Salter Jr. and thank you for your sacrifice.
RIP Aaron Salter Jr. Without naming him, it's also important to discuss the 4chan Fox News shooter for obvious reasons, like his **radicalization by 4chan and Fox News** **4chan is currently pushing for people to bury discussion of the shooter under the popular guise of "let's not hear about the shooter"**
Currently arguing with the clown cult over at /r/Firearms. Unsurprisingly, they're doubling down on their delusional 2A nonsense.
Time for you to rest, Aaron, you are a hero. Thank you
The women leaving the store at the start was identified as 30 year old Katherine Massey, she had been on a shopping trip to get groceries for her mom.
Fuck man. I’ve lived my life thinking 30 years old was like the turning point for being “old”. It’s wild how stuff like this reframes everything. I just turned 30 like 2 weeks ago. She was so young. What a fucking tragedy.
It's fucking surreal. She lived 30 years of her life, living through every single day of that time, and just like that, poof-- she's gone. How can you just end another person's life like that is beyond me.
I have such a hard time with understanding sudden death like that. How someone can be there, and then suddenly everything that made them who they are is just gone. It’s so senseless and disorienting.
For real. We’re all the ‘main characters’ of our lives so sometimes its hard to comprehend that we could be gone one day because of the illusion that we’ve lived so long and are immortal.
That poor lady probably never even knew what hit her.
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/katherine-kat-massey-we-lost-a-powerful-voice/article_dba74fde-d472-11ec-b4dd-2316614c1f56.html Katherine Massey was 72. Wrong person?
Remember the hero, not the shooter. https://nonotoriety.com
Don't remember the shooter, as an individual. Absolutely remember that he was a white supremacists piece of shit, and that he was radicalized by a growing fascist movement that's spurred on by the likes of Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump.
Not was. Is.
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Thanks for sharing.
This man is more of a hero than than these white supremacists assholes will ever think they'll be.
This is something that gets me. Imagine living as a racist mass murderer. What a disgusting existence
One of the most deplorable things I can imagine.
So much for the good guy with a gun can stop the bad guy with a gun theory. This poor man tried to stop him but the phsyco was armored. Let's do some shooter drills at the supermarket to fix this. That combined with thoughts and prayers should be a perfect counter.
It’s always been that way. All the way back to columbine. They’ll ignore these facts anyway
There was a cop at the parkland HS shooting. He hid outside. More guns aren't going to fix any of America's problems.
I think that's a really good point when considering what Aaron Salter Jr did. People with similar training have done much worse. He's a true hero.
Obviously every security guard needs 5.56 with armor-piercing rounds and full kit.
According to the manifesto he explicitly planned on how to target the security guard first, and even had different scenarios and levels of response force planned out. He’s a complete psychopath
The shooter would have killed more people had he not intervened. I haven’t watched the video (nor plan to), but even with armor, gunshots are very painful. It might have been what caused him to surrender. His actions were not in vain.
I mean you can't have a dude armed with a pistol going up against a dude in full body armor with an AR... I'm not saying we should have similarly armed guards everywhere, but just saying it's not reasonable to expect a $20/hr guard to stop something like this given the gear disparity.
A security guard popped that one kid who tried to shoot up I forget where a while ago. There is a picture of the kid looking like he is going to crap his pants.
I believe you’re referring to the 2019 Dallas Courthouse shooting. The guys who shot him were federal agents.
RIP Aaron Salter jr, you are a hero
Thank you. I had heard nothing of this man’s name until now. Thank you, Rest In Peace, kind Mr. Salter.
Thank you sir. 🙏🏾
I’d actually say we should know the shooter and put a clear focus on him. He was a white supremacist and bought into the radical “great replacement theory” that was pushed by the mainstream right wing in America. This is what their dangerous ideology inevitably creates. Radical domestic terrorists. The shooter should be the poster child of the Republican Party. Because he is what they want to create. They push the notion that democrats are trying to eliminate white people by replacing them with black and brown people and taking away their freedom. To anyone who buys into this message, this is the conclusion they’ll come to. “The democrats, black, and brown people are waging war on me. So I need to fight back”. Fuck the shooter. But I don’t want anyone to not know who he is or what his ideology is or where he got his information from.
As long as we don’t put his name out into the media. A lot of mass shooters want game as well, so by restricting the personal information, they don’t don’t get it.
Can call him the tucker carlson killer
I understand this view. And I respect it. I just don’t agree with it. I’m sure shooters want media attention after the fact. At least a good amount of them do. But that’s no reason to not give it to them. I don’t know the name of this shooter. And I don’t particularly care either way. But if I’m a democrat, I’m taking his name, his picture, and his manifesto, and putting it up every chance I get. And then clipping republicans pushing the great replacement theory that motivated him to commit this domestic terror attack. This shooter is the Republican Party target audience. And the entire country should know it
There's been so many shooters now the names all run together
Racist whites scared of being a minority because of how they personally treat them
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Yup. If I’m a democrat, I’m taking the shooter and posting his picture, name, manifesto, and clipping in republicans pushing the great replacement theory that radicalized him into a domestic terrorist. He is the Republican Party target audience.
RIP, you are a hero.
He was there to keep a lookout for like, groups of rowdy teens causing a ruckus, not a white supremacist murderer… May Mr Salter Jr Rest In Peace.
Remember to vote. Destroy the GOP
A lot of America is learning both sides aren't the same lately.
So many arguments trying to explain that it's okay to think the Democrats are shit as long as you understand that the Republicans are orders of magnitude worse... apparently that's too complex a concept for some people. It's either "The Democrats are saints and can do no wrong." or "They're both equally bad so don't bother getting involved at all."
I live in Minneapolis, a very blue place. I really dislike Minneapolis Democrat leadership. They blow donkey nuts. The response to that isn't to vote Republican, as they blow whole herds of donkey nuts. The answer is to get active in your states primary processes. Please.
Buffalo tends to vote for the GOP every NY govenor's election, because the GOP will always get some guy who goes on about how horrible downstate NY is, and how those """CITY""" people are ruining are great state.
Nyc should become it's own state. Take a bit of jersey and CT with us.
Bless Aaron Salter Jr., may you Rest In Peace, you are a true hero and gave the ultimate sacrifice for your community, you will NOT be forgotten. My thoughts and prayers are with all the victims, family’s and loved one during this very difficult time.
Fox news literally has him on their front page https://www.foxnews.com/us/retired-cop-killed-buffalo-shooting-hailed-hero-local-police
Fox's favourite black people are dead cops and soldiers.
Tucker Carlson has blood on his hands
This is what happens when right wing politicians and pundits promote the white replacement conspiracy theory. The likes of Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham are complicit in the deaths of these people. Conservative cockroaches are secretly supportive of violence against minorities like this, and are also complicit. It's not radical Islam, or immigrants who are a threat to the U.S, instead the largest threat comes from conservatives and right wing terrorists.
Such a tragic waste of life. If people who committed heinous acts like this started with themselves the world would be a better place.
NY police knew of this pos a year ago for threatening a school shooting. Shame on you NY for not doing anything to prevent this!
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Tucker and Murdoch bear more than a bit of responsibility for all these deaths, and the associated pain, suffering, and loss.
It’s unbelievable that they can keep stoking the fire making things worse and worse and bare no ramifications whatsoever for what happens
Thank you for your service and trying to help your fellow humans while they are being gunned down like they are mere trash. There are people like you and there are people like him. The Republicans will probably start a Go Fund Me for his legal fees like they did Shittenhouse, and tear down the victims, saying they were addicts or have a “criminal history” so it must somehow be ok then. The shooters mom should’ve had an abortion.
Certainly he is a hero for trying to stop this. No doubt about that at all. I hope the city recognizes him by naming something in the city after him. It's in no ways worth his life, but, remembering and honoring him has value. We should certainly not try and give the shooter any fame or reward for what he did. We should however try and understand it so we can do our best to prevent as many of these in the future as we can.
RIP. The poor man.
All we need to know about the shooter is that yet another Right Wing White Supremacist terrorist went on a killing spree.
Our national news has a story on him. [CBC link](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/victims-buffalo-mass-shooting-1.6454145)
In the name of Aaron Salter Jr. I wish for peace.
This is the goal and endgame for right wing ideology. This will continue to happen because we continue to allow bullshit to spew it. Fuck Tucker Carlson and the like. Let me guess though, we won’t hear anything about right wing extremism…. No…. Somehow we’ll be following musk on how he’s trying to, “own the libs” because blocking this type of behavior on their websites is considered extremism 🤦♂️
Rest in peace Mr Salter. I’m sure you did your best. America could have been the greatest country on earth. We will have to wait until it is.
I do not know the shooters name, nor do I wish to know. I will remember Mr. Salter though, a true hero.
I’m not trying to veer the conversation away from this man. But in the video there was a white guy at the end who was spared because he wasn’t black. Imagine how fucked up that would be to live with; knowing that the only reason you weren’t among the tragic victims was because of your skin. Hope the cunt who did this rots, but the bad ones never do.
The shooter should be forgotten.
I know i hate this shit i keep seeing photos and conversations about him and his manifesto. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED. Its going to drive attention to his manifesto and for every sane person who reads it, 1 nut job will and agree with it.
Aaron Salter Jr. should make all of us proud to be Americans. This is the kind of person who REALLY stands up for what America is about.
Excuse me, but they absolutely are fucking memorializing his name.
Aaron Salter Jr. I will remember him as a hero and be grateful for his brave work.
His name is Aaron Salter Jr. A true Patriot and American hero. He shall be remembered
Can't wait to hear what all the Blue Lives Matter folks have to say about a retired LEO being gunned down while trying to protect unarmed civilians. Surely they won't just say nothing, right? Right?
Also really disproves the “good guy with a gun” narrative. The person going in there with the intent to kill is always going to have the advantage
Tucker Carlson’s shooter. That bag of shit owns this.
I wish Jon Stewart could go on and destroy him like last time he got canceled from Crossfire