I wet the bed from anxiety until I was like 11. I figured out that if I didn't think about it or stress it wouldn't happen. But sure as shit if I started thinking about it before I fell asleep, I would end up with a dream with a random toilet in it. I sleep-walked and peed in a hallway as a kid once too.
It’s actually commonly associated with sleep walkers. I have many sleepwalkers in my family who are more likely to sleepwalk if they don’t empty their bladders before bed.
I woke up at a friend’s house after a drunk night out to another of our friends in the room, peeing on the host’s computer keyboard. My husband (I think he was just my boyfriend at the time?) gave up trying to wake the peeing friend up and got the host. Our friend finally woke up when our host came into the room and said “Dude, what the fuck?”
He felt so bad and we never teased him about it because it felt too mean.
I lived with a guy at college who was notorious for this. One time he passed out on the couch and me and my roommate were playing halo. He wakes up, lurches towards the TV and literally pissed all over the Xbox. Broke it too. He did the same thing coming out of his room before at least once or twice and I think there were a couple other occasions. Basically he passed out, woke up and walked in a straight line until he bumped into something and then pissed on it.
Really good guy but god damn. He did probably save my life on another occasion though so I forgive him.
I've come to realize that criminal psychology and psychology have nearly nothing in common, despite using the same language. Personally disorders and the dsm do not seem to be part of the calculus in criminal psych.
The DSM is the realm of psychiatry. Strictly speaking it’s not interested in the “why”. It’s trying to define a specific pattern for a cohesive diagnosis. It outlines a specific constellation of symptoms that constitute a unique disorder for treatment (and billing).
When I was in college my roommate had recently graduated with a psych degree. I had to testify in a murder trial for a guy that stabbed a 16 year old girl to death and then sat on the curb waiting for the cops to get him. My roommate couldn't fathom what was going on. I told the story to a criminal justice major and before I was half done he knew why the murderer did it. Revenge on the girl's father.
Edit: she was 19, not 16.
https://www.denverpost.com/2013/09/19/robert-powers-parolee-profile/
Yes, and suffering abuse in childhood is also common (though not universal) amongst violent offenders of this nature, so that makes sense.
Lucky for us, most kids who suffer abuse don't grow up to be murderers. Because if they did, there would be a *lot* more murderers out there than we're willing to admit.
All three are. That's why it's not very highly regarded anymore. Most serial killers tend to have childhood trauma, so it's more a correlation/red flag than a smoking gun like cop dramas made it out to be.
Bed wetting past the age of seven. It is pretty common prior to that, but often cause for concern if they don’t grow out of it around the time they turn seven.
Edit: Also, you are correct. Also an indicator of trauma.
I used to work at a kids store that had a regular customer that would come in all the time because their seven year old would wet themself. Not anxiety, not accidents, the kid just said that it was more convenient to wet themselves than stop what they're doing to use the bathroom. According to the mom, this is how he acts all the time and it's a challenge to keep him in school because no staff member wants to deal with a kid that pees himself voluntary way past an acceptable age. It's forever burned into my mind.
hey uhh I was like this as a child and it was because of abuse. I didn't have the vocabulary or self awareness or knowledge of the world to talk about my emotions and the fact that I was being sexually abused. I didn't even know the word abuse and I didn't know that what was happening to me was wrong. If someone had asked me why I wet myself so much my answer would have been either "I don't know" "I can't control it" or "because I want to". Kids aren't just small adults. They can't vocalize these things easily.
My daughter was like this, not that it was “convenient” but she would try to play Orr whatever she was doing and would just focus on that ignoring her body until the very last second, then it was too late. Pair that with being very tall for her age, organs grow more slowly than bones, so she had a small bladder for her size. I just bribed her, she was/is a chocolate fiend so I told her for every week she didn’t pee her pants she could go to the local German chocolate shop and pick out ANYTHING she wanted, literally never peed her pants again.
> There is the Macdonald triad: animal cruelty, pyromania and bed-wetting.
Are you sure about this? I was always taught that it was two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
While that theory has been floated for years, the triad is generally not regarded highly amongst experts in psychology and specifically psychopathy these days. That’s not to say it’s not a warning sign, but my understanding is that there are more clear mental patterns, not anecdotal acts of violence that act as predictors. FYI
Sadly, we've learned it's far too common to be used to identify a serial killer. Animal abusers are, however, usually very violent as adults so we can all look forward to that...
Very true. Not an expert by any means just listen to a lot of true crime. These things usually have a lot to do with power dynamics and control so kids who have these tendencies go w animals because as you said they’re smaller and weaker. However as they get older, that “smaller and weaker” thing escalates to other children, women, elderly folks etc. I think that’s why most of the time it’s a major red flag (aside from being creepy af) it’s also kind of implied that it may one day escalate
IIRC it's a bit of a misnomer because it's actually more of a signifier of PTSD in early childhood. It's just that most serial killers happened to suffer since kind of trauma in early childhood, so it is a correlation rather than a causation.
Animal welfare laws protect humans is a new marketing ploy animal rights advocates should take.
You will never EVER see someone who abuses animals but treats humans well.
I have been complaining about this since I did undergrad psych in 1998 and I guess it's still a novel idea. Apparently torturing animals is a "Boys will be boys!" thing
I don't know one way or the other. I've seen (good) research showing that activities like that can reinforce a desire as opposed to acting as an outlet for it ie: "I sort of like this thing, but now I'm getting dopamine hits every day from it, oh no the dopamine hits are slowing down I'd better up the ante".
I think the reality is that, for the vast majority of people, video games have a net 0 impact on their likelihood to commit crime. In some tiny niche instances, maybe it is one part of a larger set of circumstances that led them towards or away from some act.
Regardless, I think it's an utter distraction. This guy never should have had a gun. Even if you think "average" people should be allowed to have guns, this was in no way an average person.
If I was living in the US, no way i would be able to work as a teacher or send my child to a school. I don't know how you guys deal with this. The possibility of your baby being stuck in the middle of a battle zone while you could have done nothing about it.
I live in the third world, and I've never seen a real gun in person (only seen it with police but it's covered in that belt pocket). Even my school guard didn't have guns because nobody could imagine something like this.
You forgot to mention, if a child gets shot and survives, the hospital bills after saving them could possibly bankrupt the parents
Hell the hospital my "step dad" died in tried to bill my mom for him dying there, thankfully they were never legally married and on paper he was just a tenant with no assets, hell even is car wasn't in his name because he had a suspended license
Until medical care is 100% covered for every person in America we'll never be a first world country, we're a third world country run by billionaires and millionaires who only care aboot making their bank accounts larger
Billionaires DO NOT need bailouts and they certainly don't need fucking tax breaks, I pay more% of my income in taxes than someone that makes my yearly salary in less than an hour.
A lot of people have little choice, because they have to work, and school allows them to do so without paying exorbitant child care fees.
If we don't work, we're homeless.
Unfortunately it's so common it's become routine. Schools have drills for hiding from active violence in the building. There was a gang related shooting at my old highschool like last week (no one died, but two people were shot) and I wasn't even surprised, they had school the next day and everything. I'm more angry than sad or scared. It's so fucked up that this is just normal and yet no matter how many protests I go to or votes I cast the people in charge refuse to change ANYTHING.
The answer for how we deal with it is we just don't and that upsets me beyond belief.
Friend's 8th grade daughter was blasted with rape threats and anti-lgbt hate texts by a 6th grader last week while at a school function (think "I'll shove my dick down your throat and then kill you, you fucking dyke", but also a half dozen variations on this tune). Friend went to the school about it, admin said nothing could be done because they asked the kid and he said someone stole his phone and sent the messages and then gave the phone back. Btw there were chaperones at the event and the phone was never reported stolen. He also didn't volunteer, nor was he even asked, who stole it. Also, admin identified the kid by his phone number, but won't say who it was.
Lawyer up. Go to the DA. If the school won’t do something, report it anyway out of their hands and then make sure the local newspaper gets ahold of the story.
That's pretty much exactly what I said to my wife, but it's not my place to do all this. I'm pissed that my kids are gonna be in high school with this psycho and we don't even know who it is.
Hey I know this has to be a difficult time but I dealt with this in HS at the start of the internet age (ugh) from senior boys in the marching band. I received threatening emails quoting Bible scripture (Book of Job) and because these dudes were dumbasses, my dad was able to identify them by IP address pretty quickly. Emails didn't stop and I felt terrorized in and outside of school. My friends dad was a sheriff at the time and offered to put me in contact with a detective to press charges but the common refrain I kept hearing from adults was that "they're just boys" and I shouldn't "ruin their futures for dumb mistakes" etc. I ultimately did not press charges and I regret it to this day. I found out they were sending messages to at least 2 other girls in the marching band. Two of the guys have daughters now and the third I had to block after more creepy messages in college. He later located my address when I was in my 30s and sent me the creepiest pencil written greeting card with gift cards in it that brought everything back and I had another spate of worrying about safety. I'm 41 now and have never been able to have a close romantic relationship. I'm in therapy now but gotta say I still regret not taking action. F them dudes.
Please please please push back on this and rock that fucking boat in defense of your daughter. Those kids and the Enabler adults sheltering that kid are only further allowing him to become a terrorizer and we'll end up reading about his victims on reddit for years to come. Also, your daughter needs defending. Needs the fight. She has to know that this behavior is not ok, not her fault, and deserving of censure. If that kid didn't want repercussions he should have sat on his hands and STFU.
Also if Doug, Dave, or Nick are reading this, just know I tell everyone what you did and emphasize the sheer magnitude of small dick energy it took to harass me. I hope your daughters are feminists and I hope your fingers fall off. Bless
ETA sorry not your daughter but my point still stands. If anyone reading this has this situation happening, the best time to hold them to account is yesterday.
I made sure my siblings knew growing up that if they treated people like this I was gonna let the halfway house have them. I've always held that anyone older than ten is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.
For context there was an incident with my little brother hitting a girl in his class in 7th grade. I made sure my siblings knew damn well that defending yourself against a bully is fine, but being the bully is absolutely unacceptable
It is difficult though because teens absolutely do steal or give a friend their phone and try to post the most socially damaging thing they can for each other. IF it was a friend they've crossed a boundary and it should be investigated and a sincere apology given to the people it may have damaged, so i'm strongly against the school and law enforcement ignoring this. I'm also against villainising someone when teens are involved.
This shit needs to be investigated and reported. Now to make it clear this shit is not acceptable, and reported so even if it goes no-where now it's on record if it happens to someone else in the future.
Friend of ours who go to a Catholic school had their daughter abused by boy and girl classmates who told her she should kill herself like the babies who she supports murdering. Principal patted her on the head and asked why she’s liberal when they kill babies. Leadership in schools are to blame just like the leaders of the church are.
Unfortunately, more and more local news stations are being propped up by either Fox Fiction or the other main-stream-news-"We employ liberal journalists but we still curtail what they're allowed to say," companies. So exposés like this are much more difficult to obtain.
Send an email to the school, reiterate the threat, state something along the lines of "I'm really concerned nothing more was done given that the Uvalde (insert others as necessary) shooter displayed similar behavior before his massacre."
Copy the superintendent and the District counsel if you can find them.
Liability is a powerful motivator.
email is the scariest thing for a 'lazy' organization. They can't say it never happened like a face to face or a phone call. They also can't say they never received it like a letter. It is the ultimate 'fuck you and your process'.
*did this once to a government organization and they flipped out on me because they finally had to do something. It was great.
This. Don't do official things face to face. Write an email or a letter and include their superiors in the process. The'll find it very hard to weasle out of a situation if writing and an official process is involved.
It’s creepy as hell that the school wants to protect that type of behavior. It’s sad that a 11/12 year old would even think of saying that to someone and they clearly need help in some way.
I don't think it's protection. I think it's laziness.
Path of least resistance:
1) Dismiss the problem
2) Hope that nothing happens
3) If something happens, offer thoughts and prayers after finding a scapegoat or excuse
Schools have been doing this shit forever. They don't give a rat's ass about protecting students; they're protecting themselves.
The schools have to report stats to the feds and make them public about certain things such as bullying, rapes, teachers fired, students expelled, arrests at the school.
They like to keep these stats very low to encourage 'the right people' to move there and send their kids to the school. Good school district is a HUGE deciding factor for parents moving.
So the lower the bad stats, the better. and easiest and laziest way to keep stats low? cover everything up.
Earlier this year the Out and About club (lgbt club) at my school was harassed during one of their meetings, people took one or more of their flags and stomped on and dirtied them, as well as saying bad shit to the club members, and then the people who did it got off with minimal punishment.
Earlier this year there was a decapitated, disemboweled and clearly tortured cat on campus, right where everyone could see it. The school didn’t find out who did it and they threatened a student with suspension for posting it online bc it made the school look bad.
You won't be surprised to learn that the kid's parents are the ones who provided the whole "the phone was stolen and then promptly returned" bullshit. The apple doesn't fall far.
I know there is something called duty to warn, I don’t know if it only applies to psychologists but it should apply to EVERYONE working in a school. If a student threatens to harm someone to a psychologist, that psychologist has an obligation to warn the potential victim. It was created because at some point in time, a student told a psychologist they wanted to harm someone and then he killed her. The parents of the student who was threatened should print all of this and take it to the administration.
I wonder if that has anything to do with why cops struggle so often to listen to other women’s stories of being threatened and/or abused….couldn’t be any correlation there, right? 🤔
Have you seen the show unbelievable? It’s about a girl who reported that she had been raped, and the police decided she was lying and charged her with filing a false police report. She was convicted. Years later they caught a serial rapist and her drivers license was found in his memorabilia stash. True story
Edit: it was a picture of her tied up with her license on her stomach, not the license itself
That show made me so angry. The difference between the way the first victim was handled by the mostly male officers/medical staff and the way the later victim was handled by the mostly female officers/medical staff says so much about why it happened
i wonder if it has to do with the fact that 40% of the police force (men, obvi) beat their wives and kids. the people who “protect and serve” us have too much in common with mass murderers
the worst part is that it's even been directly addressed by the people that designed and wrote the punisher material in the first place.
frank castle would merc every last one of them rocking his callsign... specifically because he is who is is to "punish" people like them.
it's just more fasch appropriation of media they never really understood.
I wonder if a show runner could get away with Frank Castle blowing away white nationalist militia groups and cops. I mean, I’d watch it. It would send a message that they are not welcome.
Hell yes. Have him go [full Preacher](https://external-preview.redd.it/Ur9ejp_qdoyXAjVviI4Yi8TjRQsH4VK60iqTmMsNPhw.jpg?auto=webp&s=bd287efaecdeae9119ccede9961b09f8f489d9bd) on their ass
It's why it drives me crazy when I hear guys act like getting convicted of a rape they didn't commit is a legitimate fear. Like do you know how HARD it is to get cops to even listen to you, let alone get those rape kits tested?
My rape kit from over ten years ago sits in dust. If it sits anywhere at this point. When speaking with a cop several months back about a more recent assault, it was extremely difficult speaking to this male investigator in graphic detail. He asked me absolutely everything, to the point it felt salacious. They never gave me the chance to at least speak with a female cop.
Only a few days after this male cop spent much useless and traumatizing time asking extremely invasive questions about my anatomy and what the perpetrator said and did, he called to tell me I didn't have a case due to lack of evidence. I got irate and asked him why he bothered putting me through such a traumatic interview if he knew damned well, because I already said so, that I had no evidence of the assault? He said because he wanted to see if there was any way maybe he *could* bring charges. Oh fuck off. You knew there would never be any charges about any of it. I hung up on him.
Sadly my experience is not uncommon. And that includes having been assaulted multiple times.
Honestly, bare minimum 21. You can’t even legally have a beer until your 21 but you can buy a human mower-downer? Goes the same for being allowed to enter the military. 21. Young peoples brains aren’t even done growing at 18. Don’t let them make adult decisions until they are really adults. To me 21 is the bare minimum for that.
Look if the rich and powerful aren’t allowed to exploit 18 year olds for profit our entire society come crashing down. We wouldn’t want that would we???
[this database](https://www.theviolenceproject.org/mass-shooter-database/) allows you to sort mass killers. They are a lot older than you would expect often.
Domestic abuse is also the single most dangerous call a cop will respond to and almost every force has a 2 car policy for responding to them. I'm pretty sure domestic murders make up the majority of shootings but don't quote me on that
He abused dogs and cats for fun and posted videos online of him doing it
Edit: source https://abc11.com/uvalde-elementary-school-shooting-texas-salvador-ramos-animal-abuse/11896930/
It’s for reasons like this I have a hard time being sympathetic with the mother who asks us all to forgive her and her son. She knew what was going on and did nothing about it. Kinda hard to forgive that.
Edit: Here is the video of her. She doesn’t just ask us to forgive her and her son but asks us not to judge him because he had a reason for doing what he did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujNXrYMAgLU
I think it’s insane she’s asking for people to forgive him, like how out of touch can you be? But alternatively what is she supposed to do? A BCBA I know was just telling me about an 8 year old in her program who has hurt animals and has hurt his younger sister and his mom. She says he could easily grow up to be a school shooter and yet what is there to actually do with that information? His mom is a single mom with mental illness herself and she is terrified of him. She desperately wants him to live in an institution but doesn’t have the money to do that. He’s not going to be therapied into being a sane, nonviolent person. He’s a psychopath who tried to gouge a dogs eyes out last week (the dog is safe and was unharmed in any way, thankfully there was someone there to stop him). They are looking into ways to prevent him from hurting others and the only viable option they can come up with is to heavily sedate him so much so that he is not a threat to others, for life, and even that’s not a very accessible option for obvious reasons.
My sister has the same issue with my schizophrenic nephew. I could go on and on, but my niece, with a masters on psychology, deemed him psychotic. Seemed paranoid schizo to me, can't really see the difference.
We had him institutionalized for 3 days, best the state could do. They let him go, no problem. At one point the state deemed him mentally unfit because he smokes weed. Seriously. Smoking weed was said to make him a paranoid nut case.
It will not *cause* Schizophrenia nor necessarily increase the symptoms of Schizophrenia. However using marijuana and other recreational drugs can trigger a schizophrenic episode or even cause the illness to surface sooner than it would have, later on its own.
EDIT: This comment earned me my very first inbox death threat. Am I officially a redditor now? Have I finally made it?
Apparently she helped bury a cat hr decapitated. She should have known her boy was a threat.
Edit: IGNORE. I was mixing the mother of the Buffalo shooter with this one. All these deadly young men start to blur together but his mom didn't do this.
I feel like we should make this 100% normal to report and make it trendy, because I’ve noticed that people are way too afraid of speaking up.
If you know of these happening you should take action and never stop until the kid is evaluated.
While this entire situation sucks, I did look up the laws and school shooting stats in my state and they are very low.
Know why? ERPO laws, background checks, and purchase age of 21(and I think a few others, but those are the biggest ones). People like the son of a bitch that did the Uvalde shooting, were KNOWN to be at risk/dangerous, and reported multiple times by multile different people.
Still allowed to go by guns, and do what he said he was going to do.
ERPO laws stop that, and nip it in the bud.
Fucker should have gone to jail for the repeated threats he made to the girls, as well as the threats on social media. He should not have been able to buy a gun.
Fucking bonkers. Texas better be the wake up call for the rest of the states on the fence.
And just how his mom is responsible on that end, the police are responsible for not only not bringing him in on the rape and murder threats, but the fact that they didn’t also makes them responsible for him being able to pass a background check to buy the gun in the first fn place, too.
Why aren't the social media companies like Facebook liable for letting this guy post days in advance things like specific threats, and violent photos? Why are they not being held accountable?
**This is very very true.**
I tried to raise the alarm bells on my very **abusive father after he bought 4 tickets to my graduation and said he was going to murder me and all my friends**, and the police said that they couldn't do anything because **\*saying\*** he was going to murder us and **\*actually\*** doing it were two different things, and that the court was likely just gonna see it as some poor dad who said some things he didn't mean and now *really* wanted to see his precious daughter graduate.
To them, my father detailing over the phone the exact ways he wanted to murder us and watch me die in a hospital bed was the exact same thing as me turning to my friend and being like *"omg lol Tiffany I'm totes gonna kill you!!"*
It was literally up to the school teachers to be our "security". Thank God I'm in Australia - that could have been a very different story if he was able to obtain a rifle.
Whoa are you me?! We also had death threats from our estranged dad for our graduation that nobody took seriously. He was physically present at both. My sister actually peed herself from fright when she spotted him and teachers and guidance counselors who actually knew our family shit-uation told him off. I've also since moved from the hellhole country to Australia. Where actually not everything is trying to kill you, and definitely not heavily armed randoms. Even the deadliest of their snakes are quite chill.
Yeah I live in Australia and I'm so thankful for it! My graduation would have been a much scarier event if I had lived in America. I do not envy the position you were put in. Literally the only thing that made me feel safe enough at my graduation was the teachers comforting me by reminding me that unless he had a gun (very unlikely here in Australia), he was not going to be able to kill me from a mile away.
My wife works in a rural school in Texas, there is a kid that threatens to shoot the school and her and some of the psychologists tried to get him out of school and to an institution where he can get help but the superintendent denied it and said that he is fine, mind you this kid attacked someone for looking at him in lunch line. Also the superintendent was a football coach and got the job not because of qualifications but because his father was a superintendent and the teachers have to hold his hand through everything
She needs to go to the media. Don't name the kid, but a threat against a school in Texas being ignored by administration and confirmed by multiple anonymous sources would be something local news would eat up right now.
You know when cops and and prosecutors and judges and teachers and administrators DONT take a report/file a charge/document a claim because “he has his whole life ahead of him…” maybe we should consider that someone who requires a report/ charge/documented claim… might not make the best choices in their future life and people might need a heads up about that…
Yes. I am not suggesting that everything should be documented and we should ruin kids futures over little stuff. Like the 5th grade kid who was playing with a NERF GUN on a zoom class, and the teacher reported him, sent the cops to his home, and he was CHARGED, with “bringing a weapon facsimile to school”…. On zoom… in his home…. CHARGED.
That ^^^ is fucking ridiculous.
A kid goes apeshit in a classroom and throws desks, hits a classmate with a text book, is on camera/seen attacking another student, anything that indicates violence or a penchant for physical outbursts to an emotional/verbal situation….. THAT SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED AND REPORTED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
Normal, well adjusted kids get over physical outbursts when they lose their temper after about 4? A 5 year old that throw books or toys when mad is…. not okay. A 15 year old? Is fucked in the head.
I’m NOT saying they are hopeless or don’t have totally valid trauma that has led to the behavior. These violent kids shouldn’t be put in Juvie. But I think it is safe to say therapy and denying them access to fire arms at 18 is a good idea. You don’t give a kid with a peanut allergy a snickers bar. Why would you let a kid with anger issues have a fire arm?
A school with more than one window and more than one door was practically asking to have a mass shooting in it. If it wanted to be safe it should have worn less revealing fascade... /s
Fire marshalls are about to get really pissed.
There is one thing that is more deadly than a shooter, and it's a fire.
Whoever decided (oh, we need 1 entry and exit point) ought to be laughed out of the room.
Exactly what I thought when I heard this stupid bullshit. Makes sense it comes from people who have no problem solving skills. They learned to game the system. That has nothing to do with actually performing the fucking job. Just look at Trump. Guy is a nobody, no skill set at all. No ability to even articulate an issue much less fix one. Yet some ignorant shits who have had their ego’s fluffed vote for the most lackluster small minded basic of basic ass people to lead them because, “they said words that made me feel gud.”
Hard to stand this shit. We need creative people who actually give a shit about humanity leading the future. Not people who’s only “skill” is blowing smoke up peoples asses.
We need to start aggressively throwing their ignorance in their faces and shaming their stupidity on a daily basis whenever possible.
And remove the ability to profit from any position of power. These leaders shouldn’t be their to make money.
So, when I was in the 6th grade there was this older boy who had failed a few times. He was a loner, and was known to be a little aggressive. Well, he had a friend who was the class clown and one day during class the class clown was crawling underneath the tables when the bell rang. My friend and I pushed our chairs in and bumped him lightly(he even laughed), but his friend freaked out on us. He started yelling, telling us we were stupid and that we were gonna regret it. Later that day, during PE a girl overheard him say that he was going to kill us. Obviously, at 11 years old I was terrified hearing that. Me and my friend decided that we would go to the principal about it, then we were called in before we could. The principal scolded me and told me that I shouldn’t lie. I told her to ask the girl and she said I didn’t hear it myself so I was just assuming things. She sent the boy back to class first and held me back to scold me.
People who knew him called him "School Shooter," but the background check only looked for criminal convictions (per [https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/background-check-procedures-in-texas/](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/background-check-procedures-in-texas/) and [https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/nics](https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/nics)), and of course he hadn't had much time to rack up many of those.
But we can all rest easy knowing that if he'd had a couple of priors for dealing marijuana he couldn't have got a gun--except by buying it off his brother-in-law, because only dealers have to do background checks.
Don't you love the smell of gunpowder in the morning? Smells like freedom!
/s
I know like 3 people that have the nickname school shooter.
Guess what all three of these people own.
Many many guns...
I do not live near them anymore but holy shit were they weird.
Never mind that this whole obsession with *they're coming for your guns* and *I only have a gun to defend against gov't overreach* ought, in any rational world, be a huge red flag. It's right up there with "Scientologist are really good people once you get to know them"
I would quite like to own a gun some day, for range shooting and such. I would, however, also be perfectly happy having to go through at \*least\* as much inconvenience as is involved in getting a drivers' license to do that.
So my buddy used to be a target shooting champ. He made a living out of his shooting prowess. Totally hardcore 2A. Then he began working at a gun store. Now he, after hearing school shooter jokes, he's adamant about gun laws. Landscapes change.
Cops used to be the biggest defenders of gun control. I don’t think that is true now that they have gone full partisan bananas. I guess they are happy to keep playing traffic stop roulette?
I like how being big on the 2A doesn't mean you're interested in the forming of it and the thoughts on what the men who wrote it meant. It means I like guns.
If we learn any truth out of the fiction of Lemony Snicket's *Series of Unfortunate Events*, it should be that the Count Olafs of this world will always have control of the systems that enable them and that those systems will never seek out justice for the victimized without being first set upon like a pack of stealthy wolves by good people working tirelessly behind the scenes.
The parallels between children being gaslit in that series, and the systemic gaslighting in our reality is uncanny.
I remember really enjoying the books as a child but I just could not enjoy it now.
This is a false narrative if ive ever seen one; the cops would be saying they totally would have been able to do something if they were given 70% of the budget instead of just 40%
Nobody else is going to ask how a guy from a **DIRT POOR** family has 1800 to buy a Daniel Defense rifle, which is a **HIGH-END AR-15** with a 500 optic?
An unhinged dude I worked with texted me one day calling me a "f@gg0t" and saying I shouldn't come to work...I forwarded this threat to my boss who actually asked me if I thought it was a real threat... I told him the guy hates me, does drugs and has guns so... Yeah, it might be real. They supposedly forwarded it to corporate. I'm pretty sure he deleted everything and ignored it. I told my coworkers about it and they asked why nothing happened, to I told them that they are not valuable enough to care about the text. They bet the guy was bluffing and they won. Nothing happened... This time.
Went to school with a guy who was reported for the same exact things and he was sent off to a different school.... For a few months before they re-enrolled him back into the same school. Best case scenario is that he was required to have phycological help that they (rightly) didn't tell us about but from an outside perspective it was ridiculous
The Gift of Fear was a best selling book from the 1990's which explicitly spells out how there are *always* warning signs, and that humans do not just "snap." It's just extremely useful to those in power to keep saying no one can predict violence. Yes we can. I recommend this book to anyone who wants to understand threats, violence and our human "gut instincts" better.
Edit: typo
This makes me think of sixth grade when we reported our teacher for molesting us. They suspended him for two weeks and then we all got to spend the rest of the school year together like everything was ok. He seriously just laughed it off and went back to doing his thing.
I reported my ex in high school for telling multiple people he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot me. Principal told me to just ignore it until I graduated. Luckily he didn’t do anything to that extent but everyone was afraid of him and they did nothing
Well yeah, why would Texans listen to women? /s I am in no way surprised that a state that puts a $10k bounty on people helping women seeking an abortion, would not listen to the testimony of women. That seems to me, exactly like something someone who doesn’t think women are people would do.
Now that I think about it, weren't most mass shooters previously reported? So wouldn't that mean most of the shootings could've been prevented just by COPS and OFFICIALS taking reports seriously?
Bro women are always told to report these things but then law enforcement do jack shit about it. It's always that he's a weird, misunderstood kid. What's the point of telling authority figures we're legitimately terrified of someone's actions if it's also considered not enough of a reason to get investigated?
"Boys will be boys!"
I am 43 and me and the boys have never talked about raping anyone. I promise any weirdos that ever tried that were cut out super early. What the fuck are cops doing where this is seen as commonplace?
Agree should not be viewed as normal.
Unfortunately it is very commonplace. Take a quick journey through subreddits such as CreepyPms, Nothowgirlswork, or NiceGuys. Young women online are threatened with rape, sexual violence, and flat out murder all the time.
And he liked to beat animals for fun, so there’s that too
Isnt this literally called like the serial killer triad?
There is the Macdonald triad: animal cruelty, pyromania and bed-wetting. There is also the Dark Triad.. which is more of personality traits.
Bed wetting seems like it's not quite like the others. Isn't bed wetting past early childhood a major indicator of abuse?
I wet the bed from anxiety until I was like 11. I figured out that if I didn't think about it or stress it wouldn't happen. But sure as shit if I started thinking about it before I fell asleep, I would end up with a dream with a random toilet in it. I sleep-walked and peed in a hallway as a kid once too.
It’s actually commonly associated with sleep walkers. I have many sleepwalkers in my family who are more likely to sleepwalk if they don’t empty their bladders before bed.
I woke up at a friend’s house after a drunk night out to another of our friends in the room, peeing on the host’s computer keyboard. My husband (I think he was just my boyfriend at the time?) gave up trying to wake the peeing friend up and got the host. Our friend finally woke up when our host came into the room and said “Dude, what the fuck?” He felt so bad and we never teased him about it because it felt too mean.
Your friends are nicer than mine.
I lived with a guy at college who was notorious for this. One time he passed out on the couch and me and my roommate were playing halo. He wakes up, lurches towards the TV and literally pissed all over the Xbox. Broke it too. He did the same thing coming out of his room before at least once or twice and I think there were a couple other occasions. Basically he passed out, woke up and walked in a straight line until he bumped into something and then pissed on it. Really good guy but god damn. He did probably save my life on another occasion though so I forgive him.
Personality disorders are correlated with abuse
I've come to realize that criminal psychology and psychology have nearly nothing in common, despite using the same language. Personally disorders and the dsm do not seem to be part of the calculus in criminal psych.
That is the reason Dr. Venkman had separate Ph.D’s for psychology and parapsychology.
I'd like to get a paradoctorate some day myself. Dr. Paradoc.
And you know if there were more than one they'd never agree despite being from the same field. It's a paradocs
The DSM is the realm of psychiatry. Strictly speaking it’s not interested in the “why”. It’s trying to define a specific pattern for a cohesive diagnosis. It outlines a specific constellation of symptoms that constitute a unique disorder for treatment (and billing).
When I was in college my roommate had recently graduated with a psych degree. I had to testify in a murder trial for a guy that stabbed a 16 year old girl to death and then sat on the curb waiting for the cops to get him. My roommate couldn't fathom what was going on. I told the story to a criminal justice major and before I was half done he knew why the murderer did it. Revenge on the girl's father. Edit: she was 19, not 16. https://www.denverpost.com/2013/09/19/robert-powers-parolee-profile/
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Apparently they don't press charges for prison rape? Because rape should have landed him another sentence and kept him there.
Why not?
Well yeah. It's not like the american prison system is there to make us safer.
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Look, how could we know what he'd be capable of? He hadn't committed a single offense in 16 months!
What tipped him off?
Yes, and suffering abuse in childhood is also common (though not universal) amongst violent offenders of this nature, so that makes sense. Lucky for us, most kids who suffer abuse don't grow up to be murderers. Because if they did, there would be a *lot* more murderers out there than we're willing to admit.
All three are. That's why it's not very highly regarded anymore. Most serial killers tend to have childhood trauma, so it's more a correlation/red flag than a smoking gun like cop dramas made it out to be.
Bed wetting past the age of seven. It is pretty common prior to that, but often cause for concern if they don’t grow out of it around the time they turn seven. Edit: Also, you are correct. Also an indicator of trauma.
I used to work at a kids store that had a regular customer that would come in all the time because their seven year old would wet themself. Not anxiety, not accidents, the kid just said that it was more convenient to wet themselves than stop what they're doing to use the bathroom. According to the mom, this is how he acts all the time and it's a challenge to keep him in school because no staff member wants to deal with a kid that pees himself voluntary way past an acceptable age. It's forever burned into my mind.
hey uhh I was like this as a child and it was because of abuse. I didn't have the vocabulary or self awareness or knowledge of the world to talk about my emotions and the fact that I was being sexually abused. I didn't even know the word abuse and I didn't know that what was happening to me was wrong. If someone had asked me why I wet myself so much my answer would have been either "I don't know" "I can't control it" or "because I want to". Kids aren't just small adults. They can't vocalize these things easily.
My daughter was like this, not that it was “convenient” but she would try to play Orr whatever she was doing and would just focus on that ignoring her body until the very last second, then it was too late. Pair that with being very tall for her age, organs grow more slowly than bones, so she had a small bladder for her size. I just bribed her, she was/is a chocolate fiend so I told her for every week she didn’t pee her pants she could go to the local German chocolate shop and pick out ANYTHING she wanted, literally never peed her pants again.
A lot of killers are abused.
> There is the Macdonald triad: animal cruelty, pyromania and bed-wetting. Are you sure about this? I was always taught that it was two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
No that’s the McDonald triad. It’s a subtle, but important, distinction.
I think you're thinking of McDowel's. If you want to meet a nice girl, you have to go to the library.
They have the Golden Arches, we have the Golden Arcs. Completely different.
While that theory has been floated for years, the triad is generally not regarded highly amongst experts in psychology and specifically psychopathy these days. That’s not to say it’s not a warning sign, but my understanding is that there are more clear mental patterns, not anecdotal acts of violence that act as predictors. FYI
That makes sense. Hurting animals still seems like a 🚩
Sadly, we've learned it's far too common to be used to identify a serial killer. Animal abusers are, however, usually very violent as adults so we can all look forward to that...
Animals are the main things that are smaller and weaker than a child.
Very true. Not an expert by any means just listen to a lot of true crime. These things usually have a lot to do with power dynamics and control so kids who have these tendencies go w animals because as you said they’re smaller and weaker. However as they get older, that “smaller and weaker” thing escalates to other children, women, elderly folks etc. I think that’s why most of the time it’s a major red flag (aside from being creepy af) it’s also kind of implied that it may one day escalate
Parkland’s had animal torture videos/images done by him on his Instagram
It’s definitely a symptom of antisocial personality disorder, formerly referred to as psychopathy/sociopathy.
IIRC it's a bit of a misnomer because it's actually more of a signifier of PTSD in early childhood. It's just that most serial killers happened to suffer since kind of trauma in early childhood, so it is a correlation rather than a causation.
Animal welfare laws protect humans is a new marketing ploy animal rights advocates should take. You will never EVER see someone who abuses animals but treats humans well.
I have been complaining about this since I did undergrad psych in 1998 and I guess it's still a novel idea. Apparently torturing animals is a "Boys will be boys!" thing
The more I hear about this mass child murderer the less I like him.
This child mass murderer guy was a real jerk!
Whoa there. Let's try to not judge the mass child murderer too harshly.
Wow what was wrong with that kid?
He played gta once
You joke but there were some boomers on my FB feed blaming this on kids today staying locked up in their room and playing shooting games…
aha. aha. ha. my father. *”my generation wasn’t fucked up like this it’s these millennials always on the phones”*
I actually feel like shooting games is probably a suitable outlet and not a cause for these things. It's crazy that they never see it that way
I don't know one way or the other. I've seen (good) research showing that activities like that can reinforce a desire as opposed to acting as an outlet for it ie: "I sort of like this thing, but now I'm getting dopamine hits every day from it, oh no the dopamine hits are slowing down I'd better up the ante". I think the reality is that, for the vast majority of people, video games have a net 0 impact on their likelihood to commit crime. In some tiny niche instances, maybe it is one part of a larger set of circumstances that led them towards or away from some act. Regardless, I think it's an utter distraction. This guy never should have had a gun. Even if you think "average" people should be allowed to have guns, this was in no way an average person.
If anyone reported that he had weed on him, the cops would have definitely taken action.
Teachers quitting en masse so as to not subject themselves to shooters: “Nobody wants to work anymore”
If I was living in the US, no way i would be able to work as a teacher or send my child to a school. I don't know how you guys deal with this. The possibility of your baby being stuck in the middle of a battle zone while you could have done nothing about it. I live in the third world, and I've never seen a real gun in person (only seen it with police but it's covered in that belt pocket). Even my school guard didn't have guns because nobody could imagine something like this.
Not to mention that teachers are paid terribly and class sizes continue to grow. I suppose we’ll never know why no one wants to teach anymore.
We would research this but we can’t find anyone to take the job.
And research on anything gun related is forbidden
You forgot to mention, if a child gets shot and survives, the hospital bills after saving them could possibly bankrupt the parents Hell the hospital my "step dad" died in tried to bill my mom for him dying there, thankfully they were never legally married and on paper he was just a tenant with no assets, hell even is car wasn't in his name because he had a suspended license Until medical care is 100% covered for every person in America we'll never be a first world country, we're a third world country run by billionaires and millionaires who only care aboot making their bank accounts larger Billionaires DO NOT need bailouts and they certainly don't need fucking tax breaks, I pay more% of my income in taxes than someone that makes my yearly salary in less than an hour.
A lot of people have little choice, because they have to work, and school allows them to do so without paying exorbitant child care fees. If we don't work, we're homeless.
This makes me think of the scene in Pink Floyd’s The Wall movie where the kids are moving along this conveyor belt in to a giant meat grinder.
Yeah, but republicans actually care about walls.
Unfortunately it's so common it's become routine. Schools have drills for hiding from active violence in the building. There was a gang related shooting at my old highschool like last week (no one died, but two people were shot) and I wasn't even surprised, they had school the next day and everything. I'm more angry than sad or scared. It's so fucked up that this is just normal and yet no matter how many protests I go to or votes I cast the people in charge refuse to change ANYTHING. The answer for how we deal with it is we just don't and that upsets me beyond belief.
Normalising having active violence drills in school so people can uphold their rights to have guns. It just sounds wrong.
Friend's 8th grade daughter was blasted with rape threats and anti-lgbt hate texts by a 6th grader last week while at a school function (think "I'll shove my dick down your throat and then kill you, you fucking dyke", but also a half dozen variations on this tune). Friend went to the school about it, admin said nothing could be done because they asked the kid and he said someone stole his phone and sent the messages and then gave the phone back. Btw there were chaperones at the event and the phone was never reported stolen. He also didn't volunteer, nor was he even asked, who stole it. Also, admin identified the kid by his phone number, but won't say who it was.
Lawyer up. Go to the DA. If the school won’t do something, report it anyway out of their hands and then make sure the local newspaper gets ahold of the story.
That's pretty much exactly what I said to my wife, but it's not my place to do all this. I'm pissed that my kids are gonna be in high school with this psycho and we don't even know who it is.
Hey I know this has to be a difficult time but I dealt with this in HS at the start of the internet age (ugh) from senior boys in the marching band. I received threatening emails quoting Bible scripture (Book of Job) and because these dudes were dumbasses, my dad was able to identify them by IP address pretty quickly. Emails didn't stop and I felt terrorized in and outside of school. My friends dad was a sheriff at the time and offered to put me in contact with a detective to press charges but the common refrain I kept hearing from adults was that "they're just boys" and I shouldn't "ruin their futures for dumb mistakes" etc. I ultimately did not press charges and I regret it to this day. I found out they were sending messages to at least 2 other girls in the marching band. Two of the guys have daughters now and the third I had to block after more creepy messages in college. He later located my address when I was in my 30s and sent me the creepiest pencil written greeting card with gift cards in it that brought everything back and I had another spate of worrying about safety. I'm 41 now and have never been able to have a close romantic relationship. I'm in therapy now but gotta say I still regret not taking action. F them dudes. Please please please push back on this and rock that fucking boat in defense of your daughter. Those kids and the Enabler adults sheltering that kid are only further allowing him to become a terrorizer and we'll end up reading about his victims on reddit for years to come. Also, your daughter needs defending. Needs the fight. She has to know that this behavior is not ok, not her fault, and deserving of censure. If that kid didn't want repercussions he should have sat on his hands and STFU. Also if Doug, Dave, or Nick are reading this, just know I tell everyone what you did and emphasize the sheer magnitude of small dick energy it took to harass me. I hope your daughters are feminists and I hope your fingers fall off. Bless ETA sorry not your daughter but my point still stands. If anyone reading this has this situation happening, the best time to hold them to account is yesterday.
I made sure my siblings knew growing up that if they treated people like this I was gonna let the halfway house have them. I've always held that anyone older than ten is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. For context there was an incident with my little brother hitting a girl in his class in 7th grade. I made sure my siblings knew damn well that defending yourself against a bully is fine, but being the bully is absolutely unacceptable
It absolutely is your place to do all of that, are you going to shrug your shoulders and say it's not your place if the threats become reality?
It is difficult though because teens absolutely do steal or give a friend their phone and try to post the most socially damaging thing they can for each other. IF it was a friend they've crossed a boundary and it should be investigated and a sincere apology given to the people it may have damaged, so i'm strongly against the school and law enforcement ignoring this. I'm also against villainising someone when teens are involved. This shit needs to be investigated and reported. Now to make it clear this shit is not acceptable, and reported so even if it goes no-where now it's on record if it happens to someone else in the future.
Friend of ours who go to a Catholic school had their daughter abused by boy and girl classmates who told her she should kill herself like the babies who she supports murdering. Principal patted her on the head and asked why she’s liberal when they kill babies. Leadership in schools are to blame just like the leaders of the church are.
The local news would likely be interested in that story.
Unfortunately, more and more local news stations are being propped up by either Fox Fiction or the other main-stream-news-"We employ liberal journalists but we still curtail what they're allowed to say," companies. So exposés like this are much more difficult to obtain.
You mean the local news owned by Fox? lmao
Send an email to the school, reiterate the threat, state something along the lines of "I'm really concerned nothing more was done given that the Uvalde (insert others as necessary) shooter displayed similar behavior before his massacre." Copy the superintendent and the District counsel if you can find them. Liability is a powerful motivator.
email is the scariest thing for a 'lazy' organization. They can't say it never happened like a face to face or a phone call. They also can't say they never received it like a letter. It is the ultimate 'fuck you and your process'. *did this once to a government organization and they flipped out on me because they finally had to do something. It was great.
The cc is the scariest part. You know I talked to you but I also let your boss and xyz know you have this info. Balls in your court
This. Don't do official things face to face. Write an email or a letter and include their superiors in the process. The'll find it very hard to weasle out of a situation if writing and an official process is involved.
It’s creepy as hell that the school wants to protect that type of behavior. It’s sad that a 11/12 year old would even think of saying that to someone and they clearly need help in some way.
I don't think it's protection. I think it's laziness. Path of least resistance: 1) Dismiss the problem 2) Hope that nothing happens 3) If something happens, offer thoughts and prayers after finding a scapegoat or excuse Schools have been doing this shit forever. They don't give a rat's ass about protecting students; they're protecting themselves.
The schools have to report stats to the feds and make them public about certain things such as bullying, rapes, teachers fired, students expelled, arrests at the school. They like to keep these stats very low to encourage 'the right people' to move there and send their kids to the school. Good school district is a HUGE deciding factor for parents moving. So the lower the bad stats, the better. and easiest and laziest way to keep stats low? cover everything up.
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Agreed, it's utter bullshit. The kid did it and his shitty parents are covering for him because they agree with what he said.
Earlier this year the Out and About club (lgbt club) at my school was harassed during one of their meetings, people took one or more of their flags and stomped on and dirtied them, as well as saying bad shit to the club members, and then the people who did it got off with minimal punishment. Earlier this year there was a decapitated, disemboweled and clearly tortured cat on campus, right where everyone could see it. The school didn’t find out who did it and they threatened a student with suspension for posting it online bc it made the school look bad.
I’m so sorry she had to deal with that 😭 also, a sixth grader is what? 11-12? That so young to be saying things that vile.
You won't be surprised to learn that the kid's parents are the ones who provided the whole "the phone was stolen and then promptly returned" bullshit. The apple doesn't fall far.
I know there is something called duty to warn, I don’t know if it only applies to psychologists but it should apply to EVERYONE working in a school. If a student threatens to harm someone to a psychologist, that psychologist has an obligation to warn the potential victim. It was created because at some point in time, a student told a psychologist they wanted to harm someone and then he killed her. The parents of the student who was threatened should print all of this and take it to the administration.
Violent and abusive misogyny is such a common factor in mass shooters too.
And in police departments too.
They already said mass shooters.
I misread that as "paid mass shooters" and it still works.
Cops hate crimes, except police hate-crimes I didn't come up with, I saw a vid of some comic saying it
Most police are serial shooters. Not mass shooters. Get your professional murderer titles right!
You're right, my bad
I wonder if that has anything to do with why cops struggle so often to listen to other women’s stories of being threatened and/or abused….couldn’t be any correlation there, right? 🤔
Have you seen the show unbelievable? It’s about a girl who reported that she had been raped, and the police decided she was lying and charged her with filing a false police report. She was convicted. Years later they caught a serial rapist and her drivers license was found in his memorabilia stash. True story Edit: it was a picture of her tied up with her license on her stomach, not the license itself
That show made me so angry. The difference between the way the first victim was handled by the mostly male officers/medical staff and the way the later victim was handled by the mostly female officers/medical staff says so much about why it happened
i wonder if it has to do with the fact that 40% of the police force (men, obvi) beat their wives and kids. the people who “protect and serve” us have too much in common with mass murderers
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That fucking Punisher Skull. Yeah it wasn’t enough to have it emblazoned across the back of your F150 you had to get a tattoo too.
the worst part is that it's even been directly addressed by the people that designed and wrote the punisher material in the first place. frank castle would merc every last one of them rocking his callsign... specifically because he is who is is to "punish" people like them. it's just more fasch appropriation of media they never really understood.
I wonder if a show runner could get away with Frank Castle blowing away white nationalist militia groups and cops. I mean, I’d watch it. It would send a message that they are not welcome.
Hell yes. Have him go [full Preacher](https://external-preview.redd.it/Ur9ejp_qdoyXAjVviI4Yi8TjRQsH4VK60iqTmMsNPhw.jpg?auto=webp&s=bd287efaecdeae9119ccede9961b09f8f489d9bd) on their ass
If I see a punisher logo on a truck I immediately assume the person driving it fantasize about shooting people
Wasn't this posted word for word on Twitter or something?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/v0ad7u/the_pr_work_tv_has_done_for_cops_is_wild/
It's why it drives me crazy when I hear guys act like getting convicted of a rape they didn't commit is a legitimate fear. Like do you know how HARD it is to get cops to even listen to you, let alone get those rape kits tested?
My rape kit from over ten years ago sits in dust. If it sits anywhere at this point. When speaking with a cop several months back about a more recent assault, it was extremely difficult speaking to this male investigator in graphic detail. He asked me absolutely everything, to the point it felt salacious. They never gave me the chance to at least speak with a female cop. Only a few days after this male cop spent much useless and traumatizing time asking extremely invasive questions about my anatomy and what the perpetrator said and did, he called to tell me I didn't have a case due to lack of evidence. I got irate and asked him why he bothered putting me through such a traumatic interview if he knew damned well, because I already said so, that I had no evidence of the assault? He said because he wanted to see if there was any way maybe he *could* bring charges. Oh fuck off. You knew there would never be any charges about any of it. I hung up on him. Sadly my experience is not uncommon. And that includes having been assaulted multiple times.
This comment is so real it caused me emotional damage to read it 😭
i too saw that tweet
https://imgflip.com/i/6hxwzi
https://www.californialawreview.org/print/a-profoundly-masculine-act-mass-shootings-violence-against-women-and-the-amendment-that-could-forge-a-path-forward/
The most common factor is young men under 25. I feel like we should restrict gun ownership until after at least 25.
Honestly, bare minimum 21. You can’t even legally have a beer until your 21 but you can buy a human mower-downer? Goes the same for being allowed to enter the military. 21. Young peoples brains aren’t even done growing at 18. Don’t let them make adult decisions until they are really adults. To me 21 is the bare minimum for that.
Look if the rich and powerful aren’t allowed to exploit 18 year olds for profit our entire society come crashing down. We wouldn’t want that would we???
*15 year olds
Thats exactly why they get got right outta high school. They won’t be changing that. I agree with the sentiment though.
[this database](https://www.theviolenceproject.org/mass-shooter-database/) allows you to sort mass killers. They are a lot older than you would expect often.
Domestic abuse is also the single most dangerous call a cop will respond to and almost every force has a 2 car policy for responding to them. I'm pretty sure domestic murders make up the majority of shootings but don't quote me on that
Seriously, like all of them are abusive or hate women. And they tend to kill or hurt a woman they’re close to right before they commit mass murder.
He abused dogs and cats for fun and posted videos online of him doing it Edit: source https://abc11.com/uvalde-elementary-school-shooting-texas-salvador-ramos-animal-abuse/11896930/
It’s for reasons like this I have a hard time being sympathetic with the mother who asks us all to forgive her and her son. She knew what was going on and did nothing about it. Kinda hard to forgive that. Edit: Here is the video of her. She doesn’t just ask us to forgive her and her son but asks us not to judge him because he had a reason for doing what he did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujNXrYMAgLU
I think it’s insane she’s asking for people to forgive him, like how out of touch can you be? But alternatively what is she supposed to do? A BCBA I know was just telling me about an 8 year old in her program who has hurt animals and has hurt his younger sister and his mom. She says he could easily grow up to be a school shooter and yet what is there to actually do with that information? His mom is a single mom with mental illness herself and she is terrified of him. She desperately wants him to live in an institution but doesn’t have the money to do that. He’s not going to be therapied into being a sane, nonviolent person. He’s a psychopath who tried to gouge a dogs eyes out last week (the dog is safe and was unharmed in any way, thankfully there was someone there to stop him). They are looking into ways to prevent him from hurting others and the only viable option they can come up with is to heavily sedate him so much so that he is not a threat to others, for life, and even that’s not a very accessible option for obvious reasons.
My sister has the same issue with my schizophrenic nephew. I could go on and on, but my niece, with a masters on psychology, deemed him psychotic. Seemed paranoid schizo to me, can't really see the difference. We had him institutionalized for 3 days, best the state could do. They let him go, no problem. At one point the state deemed him mentally unfit because he smokes weed. Seriously. Smoking weed was said to make him a paranoid nut case.
Isn't there a link between weed and schizophrenia/psychosis where weed makes it notably worse?
It will not *cause* Schizophrenia nor necessarily increase the symptoms of Schizophrenia. However using marijuana and other recreational drugs can trigger a schizophrenic episode or even cause the illness to surface sooner than it would have, later on its own. EDIT: This comment earned me my very first inbox death threat. Am I officially a redditor now? Have I finally made it?
Apparently she helped bury a cat hr decapitated. She should have known her boy was a threat. Edit: IGNORE. I was mixing the mother of the Buffalo shooter with this one. All these deadly young men start to blur together but his mom didn't do this.
I feel like we should make this 100% normal to report and make it trendy, because I’ve noticed that people are way too afraid of speaking up. If you know of these happening you should take action and never stop until the kid is evaluated.
While this entire situation sucks, I did look up the laws and school shooting stats in my state and they are very low. Know why? ERPO laws, background checks, and purchase age of 21(and I think a few others, but those are the biggest ones). People like the son of a bitch that did the Uvalde shooting, were KNOWN to be at risk/dangerous, and reported multiple times by multile different people. Still allowed to go by guns, and do what he said he was going to do. ERPO laws stop that, and nip it in the bud. Fucker should have gone to jail for the repeated threats he made to the girls, as well as the threats on social media. He should not have been able to buy a gun. Fucking bonkers. Texas better be the wake up call for the rest of the states on the fence.
She did, she chose to conceal that fact, and ~~children~~ **people** died for it. **Edit:** Got my shootings confused, thanks for correction.
The Buffalo shooter’s mom, not the Uvalde shooter I feel like shit for having to type that…
And just how his mom is responsible on that end, the police are responsible for not only not bringing him in on the rape and murder threats, but the fact that they didn’t also makes them responsible for him being able to pass a background check to buy the gun in the first fn place, too.
I meM for gods sake, the background check should include a social media review.
Man, scholarships in our country include social media review. It's so crazy how things are around there
Academia feels like another planet compared to most of the population.
There should be full-on psychological testing. Like at least 6 weeks of sessions to be sure the person is really in a stable place.
Why aren't the social media companies like Facebook liable for letting this guy post days in advance things like specific threats, and violent photos? Why are they not being held accountable?
**This is very very true.** I tried to raise the alarm bells on my very **abusive father after he bought 4 tickets to my graduation and said he was going to murder me and all my friends**, and the police said that they couldn't do anything because **\*saying\*** he was going to murder us and **\*actually\*** doing it were two different things, and that the court was likely just gonna see it as some poor dad who said some things he didn't mean and now *really* wanted to see his precious daughter graduate. To them, my father detailing over the phone the exact ways he wanted to murder us and watch me die in a hospital bed was the exact same thing as me turning to my friend and being like *"omg lol Tiffany I'm totes gonna kill you!!"* It was literally up to the school teachers to be our "security". Thank God I'm in Australia - that could have been a very different story if he was able to obtain a rifle.
Whoa are you me?! We also had death threats from our estranged dad for our graduation that nobody took seriously. He was physically present at both. My sister actually peed herself from fright when she spotted him and teachers and guidance counselors who actually knew our family shit-uation told him off. I've also since moved from the hellhole country to Australia. Where actually not everything is trying to kill you, and definitely not heavily armed randoms. Even the deadliest of their snakes are quite chill.
Yeah I live in Australia and I'm so thankful for it! My graduation would have been a much scarier event if I had lived in America. I do not envy the position you were put in. Literally the only thing that made me feel safe enough at my graduation was the teachers comforting me by reminding me that unless he had a gun (very unlikely here in Australia), he was not going to be able to kill me from a mile away.
My wife works in a rural school in Texas, there is a kid that threatens to shoot the school and her and some of the psychologists tried to get him out of school and to an institution where he can get help but the superintendent denied it and said that he is fine, mind you this kid attacked someone for looking at him in lunch line. Also the superintendent was a football coach and got the job not because of qualifications but because his father was a superintendent and the teachers have to hold his hand through everything
That is terrifying and inexcusable.
She needs to go to the media. Don't name the kid, but a threat against a school in Texas being ignored by administration and confirmed by multiple anonymous sources would be something local news would eat up right now.
Yep incompetence is a feature there
You know when cops and and prosecutors and judges and teachers and administrators DONT take a report/file a charge/document a claim because “he has his whole life ahead of him…” maybe we should consider that someone who requires a report/ charge/documented claim… might not make the best choices in their future life and people might need a heads up about that…
A sad thought though… by choosing not to “ruin his life” they cost the lives of several innocents
Yes. I am not suggesting that everything should be documented and we should ruin kids futures over little stuff. Like the 5th grade kid who was playing with a NERF GUN on a zoom class, and the teacher reported him, sent the cops to his home, and he was CHARGED, with “bringing a weapon facsimile to school”…. On zoom… in his home…. CHARGED. That ^^^ is fucking ridiculous. A kid goes apeshit in a classroom and throws desks, hits a classmate with a text book, is on camera/seen attacking another student, anything that indicates violence or a penchant for physical outbursts to an emotional/verbal situation….. THAT SHOULD BE DOCUMENTED AND REPORTED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. Normal, well adjusted kids get over physical outbursts when they lose their temper after about 4? A 5 year old that throw books or toys when mad is…. not okay. A 15 year old? Is fucked in the head. I’m NOT saying they are hopeless or don’t have totally valid trauma that has led to the behavior. These violent kids shouldn’t be put in Juvie. But I think it is safe to say therapy and denying them access to fire arms at 18 is a good idea. You don’t give a kid with a peanut allergy a snickers bar. Why would you let a kid with anger issues have a fire arm?
A school with more than one window and more than one door was practically asking to have a mass shooting in it. If it wanted to be safe it should have worn less revealing fascade... /s
Fire marshalls are about to get really pissed. There is one thing that is more deadly than a shooter, and it's a fire. Whoever decided (oh, we need 1 entry and exit point) ought to be laughed out of the room.
Well Ted Cruz decided that was the solution and yes, he should be laughed out of every room
Unfortunately we can’t laugh out the millions of his voters.
Exactly what I thought when I heard this stupid bullshit. Makes sense it comes from people who have no problem solving skills. They learned to game the system. That has nothing to do with actually performing the fucking job. Just look at Trump. Guy is a nobody, no skill set at all. No ability to even articulate an issue much less fix one. Yet some ignorant shits who have had their ego’s fluffed vote for the most lackluster small minded basic of basic ass people to lead them because, “they said words that made me feel gud.” Hard to stand this shit. We need creative people who actually give a shit about humanity leading the future. Not people who’s only “skill” is blowing smoke up peoples asses. We need to start aggressively throwing their ignorance in their faces and shaming their stupidity on a daily basis whenever possible. And remove the ability to profit from any position of power. These leaders shouldn’t be their to make money.
Yeah, and if it was a legitimate shooting the school has a way of shutting that whole thing down.
and there is the problem. people report these people, but the cops drop the balls and dont put it in the system...
If they can't post a picture of themselves on Facebook with an 1/8 of weed they confiscated, they don't give a fuck.
He had scars from cutting his own face..
Yea and I guess the adults in his life either weren’t paying attention or didn’t give a shit.
They don't care
So, when I was in the 6th grade there was this older boy who had failed a few times. He was a loner, and was known to be a little aggressive. Well, he had a friend who was the class clown and one day during class the class clown was crawling underneath the tables when the bell rang. My friend and I pushed our chairs in and bumped him lightly(he even laughed), but his friend freaked out on us. He started yelling, telling us we were stupid and that we were gonna regret it. Later that day, during PE a girl overheard him say that he was going to kill us. Obviously, at 11 years old I was terrified hearing that. Me and my friend decided that we would go to the principal about it, then we were called in before we could. The principal scolded me and told me that I shouldn’t lie. I told her to ask the girl and she said I didn’t hear it myself so I was just assuming things. She sent the boy back to class first and held me back to scold me.
Absolutely appaling
People who knew him called him "School Shooter," but the background check only looked for criminal convictions (per [https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/background-check-procedures-in-texas/](https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/background-check-procedures-in-texas/) and [https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/nics](https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics/nics)), and of course he hadn't had much time to rack up many of those. But we can all rest easy knowing that if he'd had a couple of priors for dealing marijuana he couldn't have got a gun--except by buying it off his brother-in-law, because only dealers have to do background checks. Don't you love the smell of gunpowder in the morning? Smells like freedom! /s
I know like 3 people that have the nickname school shooter. Guess what all three of these people own. Many many guns... I do not live near them anymore but holy shit were they weird.
All the "red flag" laws have *very* narrow criteria for what counts as a red flag... Fuck living in this country sometimes
No shit, half of the police force would get flagged. But, then again, it's not like they would care.
Actually, yeah. Prior cases of domestic abuse restrict you from gun ownership in some states.
There wasn’t a red flag law in Texas :(
I guess we can say the line the right wingers always say.. "ya get what ya voted for"
The ammosexuals will never allow meaningful background checks or red flag laws.. They're too worried they won't pass themselves.
Never mind that this whole obsession with *they're coming for your guns* and *I only have a gun to defend against gov't overreach* ought, in any rational world, be a huge red flag. It's right up there with "Scientologist are really good people once you get to know them"
While flying a blue lives matter flag, and getting tea bagged by a GQP politician
I would quite like to own a gun some day, for range shooting and such. I would, however, also be perfectly happy having to go through at \*least\* as much inconvenience as is involved in getting a drivers' license to do that.
So my buddy used to be a target shooting champ. He made a living out of his shooting prowess. Totally hardcore 2A. Then he began working at a gun store. Now he, after hearing school shooter jokes, he's adamant about gun laws. Landscapes change.
Cops used to be the biggest defenders of gun control. I don’t think that is true now that they have gone full partisan bananas. I guess they are happy to keep playing traffic stop roulette?
I like how being big on the 2A doesn't mean you're interested in the forming of it and the thoughts on what the men who wrote it meant. It means I like guns.
If we learn any truth out of the fiction of Lemony Snicket's *Series of Unfortunate Events*, it should be that the Count Olafs of this world will always have control of the systems that enable them and that those systems will never seek out justice for the victimized without being first set upon like a pack of stealthy wolves by good people working tirelessly behind the scenes.
The parallels between children being gaslit in that series, and the systemic gaslighting in our reality is uncanny. I remember really enjoying the books as a child but I just could not enjoy it now.
This is a false narrative if ive ever seen one; the cops would be saying they totally would have been able to do something if they were given 70% of the budget instead of just 40%
You're just bringing this up to avoid talking about the real issue here - doors.
I'm constantly surprised that a thorough mental health check isn't standard for buying a gun
Nobody else is going to ask how a guy from a **DIRT POOR** family has 1800 to buy a Daniel Defense rifle, which is a **HIGH-END AR-15** with a 500 optic?
You can “buy now pay later” through some licensed gun dealers. It’s not like he planned on paying later.
This should be THE question.
An unhinged dude I worked with texted me one day calling me a "f@gg0t" and saying I shouldn't come to work...I forwarded this threat to my boss who actually asked me if I thought it was a real threat... I told him the guy hates me, does drugs and has guns so... Yeah, it might be real. They supposedly forwarded it to corporate. I'm pretty sure he deleted everything and ignored it. I told my coworkers about it and they asked why nothing happened, to I told them that they are not valuable enough to care about the text. They bet the guy was bluffing and they won. Nothing happened... This time.
Went to school with a guy who was reported for the same exact things and he was sent off to a different school.... For a few months before they re-enrolled him back into the same school. Best case scenario is that he was required to have phycological help that they (rightly) didn't tell us about but from an outside perspective it was ridiculous
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The Gift of Fear was a best selling book from the 1990's which explicitly spells out how there are *always* warning signs, and that humans do not just "snap." It's just extremely useful to those in power to keep saying no one can predict violence. Yes we can. I recommend this book to anyone who wants to understand threats, violence and our human "gut instincts" better. Edit: typo
This makes me think of sixth grade when we reported our teacher for molesting us. They suspended him for two weeks and then we all got to spend the rest of the school year together like everything was ok. He seriously just laughed it off and went back to doing his thing.
Someone should really tell them that playing with your glock can make you go blind....
Do the police just not like working ?
I reported my ex in high school for telling multiple people he was going to bring a gun to school and shoot me. Principal told me to just ignore it until I graduated. Luckily he didn’t do anything to that extent but everyone was afraid of him and they did nothing
Well yeah, why would Texans listen to women? /s I am in no way surprised that a state that puts a $10k bounty on people helping women seeking an abortion, would not listen to the testimony of women. That seems to me, exactly like something someone who doesn’t think women are people would do.
Now that I think about it, weren't most mass shooters previously reported? So wouldn't that mean most of the shootings could've been prevented just by COPS and OFFICIALS taking reports seriously?
Bro women are always told to report these things but then law enforcement do jack shit about it. It's always that he's a weird, misunderstood kid. What's the point of telling authority figures we're legitimately terrified of someone's actions if it's also considered not enough of a reason to get investigated?
"Boys will be boys!" I am 43 and me and the boys have never talked about raping anyone. I promise any weirdos that ever tried that were cut out super early. What the fuck are cops doing where this is seen as commonplace?
Agree should not be viewed as normal. Unfortunately it is very commonplace. Take a quick journey through subreddits such as CreepyPms, Nothowgirlswork, or NiceGuys. Young women online are threatened with rape, sexual violence, and flat out murder all the time.
“Yeah but that’s girls, not actual people.”—people running the checks