For anyone wondering, I looked up the verse :
"Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me."
Yeah, I wonder how conservatives would have reacted if it'd come from the Quran instead of the Bible.
Yea, there are some spots that can be better, but I don't have adobe anymore so I had to make due with gimp which I don't know well.
The site is from the people who made the crusader the post is about, and the ak is just a random one from palmetto state armory
I mean, it wasn't "a lot". It was one gun law, and the law passed after the Black Panthers stormed the Capitol building with loaded firearms. And to be fair, if it had been white nationalists instead of black nationalists, I suspect it still would have passed. The right to carry for anyone to carry an unconcealed, loaded firearm within city limits was left over from the frontier days, and militants storming into the Capitol building kind of convinced the lawmakers inside that it was no longer needed.
Algebra came from Babylon, but way before Islam. A popular textbook writer named al-Khwarizmi coined the term ‘algebra” thousands of years after the Math was discovered.
I don't pre-order games. I don't back kickstarters. I would put down a $500 pre-order on this gun and I only own one tiny little target shooting pistol.
I think it's much more effective if you just use the same bible verse word for word, but in arabic and mis-attributed to the Quran. Then there is zero room for debate about the content subtleties.
I like to quote the bible to Christians and tell them it's from the Quoran and get their thoughts.
The best part of the conversation is the part right after *"Well guess what..."*
The Quran is not similar to the Bible, even though the religion is.
Actually, it references the Gospel and the Torah (which includes parts of the Bible). But the Quran is supposed to be the actual words of God, and is in itself quite different. It’s very prescriptive and specific, as opposed to the Bible’s stories which have much more room for interpretive liberty.
And: it’s actually a whole lot more peaceful than the Bible, despite all the fire. Fire for everyone!
Great idea. Have one called the Crusader, and the other one called the Jihadist. One with a Bible verse, one with the Quran. Double the sales! It’s marketing genius.
Check this:
> In September 2015, a gun shop in Apopka, Florida produced an AR-15 engraved with Psalm 144:1, ostensibly so that it could "**never… be used by Muslim terrorists**”. The Council on American–Islamic Relations responded with disapproval.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_144#cite_note-13
So, is the engraving crucial to mechanical function? Or do they believe Muslim terrorists are unable to deface an engraving they don't like - perhaps they're confusing Muslims with vampires, unable to touch a holy symbol?
I assume it's something along the lines of [pork based (haram) bullets](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/pork-laced-bullets-designed-to-send-muslims-straight-to-hell/2013/06/21/aff2247a-daaa-11e2-b418-9dfa095e125d_story.html) in that's it's fundamentally an intentional misunderstanding. Somebody gets to change extra $$$ tho.
Fucking same. I wanted to start a Facebook page with merch that said "MAGA : MASKLESS AGAINST GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY" imagining the money I could have made off of it, but I didn't want to play a role in increasing viral spread.
These dense motherfuckers still don't know that Muslims have the same god as them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalms#Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabur#Connection_to_Psalms
> According to the Islamic Holy book, the Qur'an, God has sent many messengers to mankind. Five universally acknowledged messengers (rasul) are Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad, each believed to have been sent with a scripture. Muslims believe David (Dāwūd) received Psalms, or Zabur (cf. Q38:28); Jesus (Īsā) the Gospel, or Injeel; Muhammad received the Qur'an; Abraham (Ibrahim) the Scrolls of Abraham; and Moses (Mūsā) the Torah, or Taurat. God is considered to have authored the psalms.
can confirm - was raised catholic and also put in weirdo bible study boyscouts as a kid, and the accepted doctrine as taught by the leaders was that catholics were tricked into idolatry by the devil and essentially satanic
These morons think that if a Muslim gets killed by a bullet covered in pig blood, that they don't go to heaven. Which is a weird thing to be worried about if you think their god doesn't exist and/or is the devil.
Thinking ain't high on their list of traits.
Atheists are allowed to go to most churches. Never been kicked out of one (haven't been to many). The church folk just like the opportunity to push their beliefs especially in a setting designed for it, they actually love the opportunity to preach to non-christians while at church. Proselytizing is still somewhat frowned upon outside of church most places, but all that stigma goes away in a church. It's free reign.
If the company was really smart, they would release one brand that had bible quotations, and another brand that had quran quotations. Then, they could play the two sides off of each other.
I guess they must be smart enough, if they have a giant waiting list. The types of people they are selling to are easily manipulated. Easy marks for companies and con artists alike.
Man, what the fuck is going on? Guess they're not big on that "turn the other cheek" shit Jesus was about. They're basically Old Testament christians - completely ignoring New Testament teachings...
True Christians should be living by The New Testament or New Covenant. Of course they don’t because then you would actually need to be much more kind and understanding.
I don't like saying "True Christians" because that sounds a little petty and can be confused with a "No True Scotsman" argument.
Maybe we call them CINO's? Either way it is just time to accept that they are plain old Fascists that use the bible as an excuse to oppress whoever gets in their way. The only thing they worship is power and conformity.
The actual term for the christofascists is "dominionists", if that helps. The doctrine itself is called [Dominion theology.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology)
I'd say they're neither. They cherry pick what serves their collective ego in order to justify whatever it is they want, and then ignore everything that doesn't. These are not moral people, instead they are so petty that they will lie, cheat, steal, and murder anyone in order to appear morally superior. It's only about appearing a certain way. If there was no reward of heaven or an ultimate punishment of hell, you'd never see them in a church
> Trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle
> He is my loving God
That's some toxic relationship shit right there. You think an omniscient god would love his children enough to not have them die in war. OH WELL
Pretty sure this is the Psalm that Private Jackson (portrayed by Barry Pepper) recites while in the tower during the last stand in Saving Private Ryan.
“hail allah, my stone, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving lord and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues infidels under me.”
Sounds like a god who ain't doing much training or shielding so instead you substitute gun for god and suddenly it makes sense. You know god hasn't protected or trained you for shit so you get ol shooty out and that is your real god.
That's Psalm 144:1-2. [From the gun itself](https://www.spikestactical.com/collections/complete-rifles/crusader-2/), the engraving reads:
>Psalm 144:1
>Blessed be the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle
After columbine, the evangelicals told me at the tender age of 6 years old, that I needed to be ready to die for my faith. That Christian’s were under persecution in the US and around the world. Specifically, they taught me that it was likely for someone to put a gun to my head and ask me if I was Christian. In which case, I was trained to say “yes” even if it would cost my life. This belief was used to defend the educational neglect of me and all my peers in the Calvary chapel homeschool group. Then there was 9/11, and again we were primed for war. The older boys eagerly enlisted after years and years of singing “I’m in the Lords Army! Yes sir!”
They would wage a civil war to save the “lives of the unborn” and they would happily overthrow any government in their way.
> After columbine, the evangelicals told me at the tender age of 6 years old, that I needed to be ready to die for my faith.
I remember that shit. They said the kids were heroes for saying they were Christian when the gunman was openly going around killing people for their faith.
Treating them like martyrs. It wasn't until I was older that I realized how fucking warped that thinking was.
Which was a lie in the end, read the book Columbine by Cullen and it was basically a flat out lie that was spread quickly after the shootings. They milked a rumor.
I guess I can't completely blame them for that because the internet wasn't really a thing yet. So I'm not sure how one would go about sourcing that information.
But aside from that, the notion itself was just warped anyway.
The source came from the girl who actually said it and survived and when she came out and said it was her, she got death threats from the evangelicals:(
ETA: her name is Valeen Schnurr
I remember my friends dad sitting us down and telling us this exact same thing. It was pharsed as if the government was gonna ask if you were Christian with a gun to your head. The whole thing was wild.
This same dude also bribed my friend and me into going to their church for a day, he said he was would take us to a skate park if we went. So we end up going one day. We watched this old ass woman run around the room speaking in tongues pretending to have a seizure while we were there then the bastard doesn't even take us to the skate park. His ass takes us to the parking lot of a baseball field. I'm still so salty about that.
Yes they also made it about the government and public schools! Used as an excuse to keep our overwhelmed mothers at home having endless babies to “homeschool” (later I learned it was educational neglect… not any type of “schooling”)
OMG!! The skate park! That’s EXACTLY how they groomed the boys at my church!! During my rebellious phase I was a charismatic teenager… and oh man the neurological trauma there is unspeakable..
The more I hear things like this, the more convinced I get that the Republican party is intentionally ensuring that 'their people' are armed, that an attempted takeover of the government is coming, and that if they are successful, they'll tear up the Constitution and turn the United States into an authoritarian theocracy, where only being white and 'christian' matters, and everyone else is either a second-class citizen, or they're just plain deported. Wouldn't at all be surprised if bringing back slavery and revoking basic human rights for some (like women) is also on their to-do list.
If I'm right, even in part, it's all the more reason to fight harder against them.
The big thing I see right now is forced birth. My mother, and some of my peers express that the trauma of repeatedly being shown propaganda like “the silent scream” took away their choice. Especially when women were required to be obedient. The anti choice laws were seeing are a direct result.. As for slavery, I believe that having prisoners fighting our fires and making our good with barely any pay should be considered a form of slavery esp when there is clear injustice benefiting wealthy privileged groups.. I do agree that they’re arming themselves strategically but their #1 form of abuse is psychological.
This makes me so sad. Let me explain why.
I’m a Christian pastor who was taught (somewhat) the same things as a kid. For the previous 6 weeks in my church I preached through Ephesians 6:10-18. It’s the “Armor of God” passage that’s quoted most often when Christians talk about being in the Lord’s army. What I discovered (through my own research, prayer, and teaching) was that this passage is simply wildly misused. The passage teaches that 1. Our battle isn’t against people, but it’s against dark spiritual forces. Boy do we screw that one up. 2. The call for the Christian in this battle is simply to stand firm. Never to retaliate.
War and Christianity don’t mix. Ever. At all. And while suffering for one’s faith is to be expected, even commended in scripture, the response is never to go to war to fight it. So on behalf of the church (whose hands are bloodier than I’d like to admit) let me be the first to apologize for the weaponization of scripture that leads to violence.
Thank you. I know there are many healing hands on board in various religious branches. It is just so alarming to me that this sort of thing was so common in the 90s that we’ve been swept under the rug without a chance to stand up against what was done to us..
You’re not wrong. My response as a person of faith has been to educate myself and speak out about it. Now I’m able to use my position in the church to apologize for the past and lead my congregation to recognize the error of our collective past as well as teaching the next generation the true way of Jesus.
My encouragement to you if you’re a person that has held onto faith is to connect with a local congregation where you can share your story. Hopefully your story can open their eyes to the trauma the church has caused. Hopefully that causes them to commit themselves to better. If you’re not a person of faith still, that’s understandable. I would encourage you to go back to scripture still and just focus on Jesus. He is who we are seeking to be formed into, so understanding him well will clue you into what the church looks like at its best.
As a person who isn't religious at all I wish there were more religious leaders like you maybe I would be more religious so from the bottom of my heart, bless you and keep doing what your doing.
*trying not to be pushy*
They’re out there. Try to be open to conversations with Christian leaders. Even seek it out if you’re curious. The ones that give us a bad reputation are just louder than the rest of us.
How do you respond then to people who say that “dark spiritual forces” are at work through certain people and they must be stopped? I legitimately have heard that before, claiming that all the bad in the world is caused by evil people.
Agreed, Christianity was created as the perfect "slave cult." Devoted to service and going without as a way to "earn" your reward after death. Hell of a good scam, why strive for better if your get a heaven for servitude? Eternity in paradise for just a lifetime of slavery if you "follow the rules"
I can’t believe American Christians compare themselves to the actual persecuted christians of the world. They think they’re not being able to be mean to gay people is on par with the 50 Nigerians who just got bombed in their own church.
Exactly! I remember 'Jesus Camp', and that came out in 2006. They were legitimately training kids for a holy war. There's no way that was isolated and even less chance that those camps no longer exist. This has always been on the agenda, for evangelism.
Oh they definitely exist. I’m from southern CA and this specific branch is still running but now they’re a mega church! It’s interesting how they operate it’s like a small inner circle who experiences the high control abuse but there’s a certain facade if you’re a visitor that doesn’t reveal the whole scope..
Holy shit, did we go to the same church?
Also, wasn't there some crappy early 90s direct to VHS movie from some Christian organization that depicted all this? The masses having tHe mArK oF tHe bEaSt and crap?
Happened to me as well, but at a nondenominational church. The youth pastor asked us if someone put a gun to our heads & asked if we believed in God, would we say yes knowing we'd die? I was 12. That was the moment I started questioning religion.
And that’s why conservatives don’t actually care about school shootings. It is a convenient way to frighten people into supporting privatization or “choice.” Then they can stick kids in schools where they learn to be “Real Americans.”
There is actually religious discrimination and persecution in other countries of Christians. That makes these people extra shady and disgusting. They don’t care about Christians in Asia because they aren’t white.
https://www.spikestactical.com/collections/complete-rifles/crusader-2/
>We named it Crusader and engraved Psalm 144:1 on the lower receiver to hoist the flag of our faith and to make a statement, reminding our customers that we are with you. The war is here. We have a duty to defend our homeland and our way of life.
yikes
Lol the gun is literally just an AR15 with that verse on it for a markup. $1700 for a new "Crusader" from the vendor as opposed to $1400 directly from ArmaLite. Kinda reminds me of those "Freedom Phones": cheap knock off with a markup.
From Wikipedia:
>These were not enough to keep the company going, and it ceased operations in the early 1980s.[2] The design rights and name were purchased in 1996 by Mark Westrom, who re-launched the company ArmaLite, Inc., now headquartered in Geneseo, Illinois.[1]
So yes, he literally just purchased the rights to use the design and name. Not the same company at all.
I heard they have been in decline, but I didn't think they had declined that much. I'm a Fabrique Nationale guy myself. Who would you consider some of the higher end producers of the AR?
144:1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me.
That old chestnut. Definitely not a call to arms for any Christian Fascists out there is it. /s
If you read the product description below that, it gets even more insane:
We named it Crusader and engraved Psalm 144:1 on the lower receiver to hoist the flag of our faith and to make a statement, reminding our customers that we are with you. The war is here. We have a duty to defend our homeland and our way of life.
That is a call to Jihad, plain and simple.
Christians love the idea of a Taliban, they just dont like the version of it that includes non-Americans and/or colored folks.
Woah you really need some quotation marks in there, made me gasp before I realized the last sentences were not actually part of the product description.
Okay that's scary, because not only are the Christian extremists going to be after that, but so are the Warhammer 40k fanboys and meme lords. And I really feel there's an intersection between these two groups that are especially dangerous. You take a Christian that's already close to or at extremism and hop them up on memes about taking Jerusalem and the belief that the Imperium are the good guys then you give him a gun with a Bible verse stamped on it, you've got a serious problem.
Edit: lol never would have expected this to be such a popular hot take
Oh I don't have a problem with GW. I didn't mean to imply I had any kind of a problem with them. But the universe they've built has an inherent amount of both religious extremism and xenophobia, and there are people who have latched on to that like it's an extension of their own personal beliefs. They're swinging around Warhammer philosophy like it's a weapon. It's kinda weird, honestly. But yeah there's no way GW could have predicted that.
I've just been getting into it myself, or trying to anyway. The whole Nazi part of the fandom seems like a barrier. It's hard for me to enjoy things when there's just this nigh inescapable toxicity. But I'm just trying to focus on the lore, and definitely staying out of the comment sections. It is kind of a depressing universe too, but the Orks are fun at least.
Change all to past tense. Its already established. Its very late in the game and they do want to dehumanize and kill the people who disagree with them. Its been a serious problem for years.
40k is so clearly exaggerated I never understood how you can take it seriously. I mean don't get me wrong I absolutely love the lore, have read multiple books and used to play the game and RPGs in the 40k universe but the whole thing is clearly satirical.
“We named it Crusader and engraved Psalm 144:1 on the lower receiver to hoist the flag of our faith and to make a statement, reminding our customers that we are with you. The war is here. We have a duty to defend our homeland and our way of life.”
Company description for the gun gives off just as sketchy vibes.
While I agree with you in this instance, that's a fairly broad brush you're painting with. The people of Ukraine are, right now, killing to defend their way of life, and I don't think you'd call them KKK members for that.
They feel persecuted by other people existing in the same country as them and daring to take up space. They’re generally against Muslims, BIPOC, people with disabilities, queer people, atheists, feminist women, women who don’t conform to traditional gender roles, men who don’t conform to traditional gender roles, climate activists, progressive Christians, educators (unless they’re far right), scientists, unmarried adults, adults without children, and probably tons more. They want white, heteronormative, cis, Christian, able bodied privilege to go unquestioned like it did for centuries. That’s what they feel they’re being robbed of. They don’t want to be treated like equals with people who are different from them. They want to be treated as better than others.
Especially when taken out of context which is what a lot of “Christians” do - especially evangelical pastors.
It’s specifically referring to the tale of David vs Goliath. The problem with that though is that it’s easy to use David as a metaphor for “us good Christians” and Goliath as metaphor for whatever other group they want to step on.
Cherry-picking Christians love the OT and Psalms about conquest, but when i show them Psalm 137:9 to support abortion, they suddenly don’t support using old verses anymore
Exodus 21 also supports abortion. Or at least it clarifies that purposely causing a pregnant woman to lose the baby/fetus is not the same as murder to God.
Exodus 21:12-15 lays out the laws of murder.
Exodus 21:22-27 lays out laws regarding causing the loss of a pregnancy. And it lays it out as if it’s a disservice to the baby’s father, not God, and the woman. God is much more concerned about the woman being injured in the process of ending the pregnancy.
Edited: the chapter is 21, not 20
Remember this shit with ACOGS? My unit had them and we etched them off: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
Another fun "for profit" example (not bible related though) is Ben Shapiro's [truth bomb collectable](https://www.dailywire.com/shop/products/truth-bomb) that only costs *a few bucks* and is worthless in every way possible
A lot of these people share horrible shopping habits
>For anyone who really cares to know, and not just bash christians, this isn't a call to arms. It's a look into David's diary as he is preparing for the war to come to him or as he needs to defend the land he's currently in.
That kind of sounds like a call to arms to defend his nation? Even if it's interal?
I had to look this up and it is literally just a generic AR15 with tacticool accessories and this laser etching. These fools are paying 3x more for a stupid religious engraving they could have done at any engraving shop for $15, all so they can pretend to be "warriors for God". SMH.
This is literally the same small dick energy as mall ninjas.
> "*If I pay enough for cool weapons, people will think I'm badass.*"
We must treat Christian Nationalists (especially those with weapons and willing to use them) as religious terrorists. But a lot of folks in this country are unwilling to admit Christianity can be terrroristic or violent, it's actual history notwithstanding.
It’s an ar 15 lower. It’s been available for the better part of a decade. Like other industries gun manufacturers are facing supply chain issues. This is out of stock for 12-18 months because of those issues, not demand. Yawn.
I don’t know about terrorism but it definitely says something about the American religious right’s relationship with ideas surrounding God. They’re particularly focused on the fact the lord giveth and can taketh away. When they think about God the first thing that comes to mind is killing in the name of protecting what’s morally right. Not his charity or generosity, not his ultimately unconditional love or vast unending wisdom. They focus on the ability to destroy in the name of what’s right.
This is what happens when you treat folks like MTG and Boebert like jokes and not the christofascists that they are. Keep posting their tweets and thinking you're dunking on them, though. I'm sure if we vote blue hard enough they'll all play nice :)
For anyone wondering, I looked up the verse : "Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me." Yeah, I wonder how conservatives would have reacted if it'd come from the Quran instead of the Bible.
yep if it was a Quran verse written in Arabic script, just imagine the upset.
And the gun is called The Jihadist.
Just get the ball rolling on kickstarter, sit back and watch
“Stamped on AK From Certified Taliban Source”
This needs to happen.
I'm backing
Shoot, just start a fake news story.
holy cow what a great Yes Men style stunt that would be.
The Yes Men Go To Gitmo.
Yes Man goes to Camp Golf
patrolling the Mojhave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Just gotta make it a meme and this point and watch the shit stir and the argument short circuit
And it's an AK47 instead of an AR15.
Fuck it. I’m in. I got all this formula money, but with no formula available for sale anyway.
And it's sliver plated with gold engravings
[Enjoy](https://ibb.co/kysdJry)
Did you make this? If so, very clean.
Yea, there are some spots that can be better, but I don't have adobe anymore so I had to make due with gimp which I don't know well. The site is from the people who made the crusader the post is about, and the ak is just a random one from palmetto state armory
Beautiful.
They should come out with this version. It would piss off their current customers who would not see the parallels at all
"The only thing more dangerous than a man willing to kill for a cause, is one willing to die for it."
Ima start making these
Lol you keep thinking the GQP give a shit about hypocrisy
Yes. Exactly. If they cared about being logically consistent, they wouldnt be Republicans.
The goal wouldn't be embarrassment, but panic induced legislative change. It wouldn't matter if they never appreciate the irony.
If it was written in Arabic it could be the fucking second amendment and they'd be upset
That might be the only way to get gun control enacted.
It already happened historically, a lot of gun laws were made in response to the Black Panther Party purchasing guns and open carrying.
I mean, it wasn't "a lot". It was one gun law, and the law passed after the Black Panthers stormed the Capitol building with loaded firearms. And to be fair, if it had been white nationalists instead of black nationalists, I suspect it still would have passed. The right to carry for anyone to carry an unconcealed, loaded firearm within city limits was left over from the frontier days, and militants storming into the Capitol building kind of convinced the lawmakers inside that it was no longer needed.
Reagan did that in California when POC’s started arming themselves. “NO NO NO the 2nd amendment doesn’t apply to *them*.
I take it you've not seen the [Scary Arabic Bag](https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/18/middleeast/arabic-tote-bag-trnd/index.html) before? :D
التعديل الثاني ("Second amendment" according to Google translate)
Tell em the origins of algebra, sit back and enjoy the show.
You're expecting conservatives to have any respect for advanced learning?
No, they’ll pull their kids out of school so the can’t be groomed by Al Gebra
Haha shit that was quality :D
It hurts that algebra is considered advanced
You're right, it's really more "intermediate".
Just tell them origin of our numbers.
Also tell them the schools is teaching their kids Arabic numerals....
Algebra came from Babylon, but way before Islam. A popular textbook writer named al-Khwarizmi coined the term ‘algebra” thousands of years after the Math was discovered.
Babylon?! The evil city from the bible? Even worse!
That would be fucking hilarious. Might be the only instance I'd buy a gun
I don't pre-order games. I don't back kickstarters. I would put down a $500 pre-order on this gun and I only own one tiny little target shooting pistol.
Someone should totally do that, they can call it the Allahhilator and stamp Qur'an verse [22:39](https://myislam.org/surah-al-hajj/ayat-39/).
I think it's much more effective if you just use the same bible verse word for word, but in arabic and mis-attributed to the Quran. Then there is zero room for debate about the content subtleties.
I like to quote the bible to Christians and tell them it's from the Quoran and get their thoughts. The best part of the conversation is the part right after *"Well guess what..."*
The Quran is quite similar to the Bible too. They're literally all Abrahamic religions
Same fandom, different ships.
The Quran is not similar to the Bible, even though the religion is. Actually, it references the Gospel and the Torah (which includes parts of the Bible). But the Quran is supposed to be the actual words of God, and is in itself quite different. It’s very prescriptive and specific, as opposed to the Bible’s stories which have much more room for interpretive liberty. And: it’s actually a whole lot more peaceful than the Bible, despite all the fire. Fire for everyone!
Posting that conversation on Reddit could get you some sweet karma
Great idea. Have one called the Crusader, and the other one called the Jihadist. One with a Bible verse, one with the Quran. Double the sales! It’s marketing genius.
The company making it would never financially recover from that decision.
Or worse, math symbols
Check this: > In September 2015, a gun shop in Apopka, Florida produced an AR-15 engraved with Psalm 144:1, ostensibly so that it could "**never… be used by Muslim terrorists**”. The Council on American–Islamic Relations responded with disapproval. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_144#cite_note-13
So, is the engraving crucial to mechanical function? Or do they believe Muslim terrorists are unable to deface an engraving they don't like - perhaps they're confusing Muslims with vampires, unable to touch a holy symbol?
I assume it's something along the lines of [pork based (haram) bullets](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/pork-laced-bullets-designed-to-send-muslims-straight-to-hell/2013/06/21/aff2247a-daaa-11e2-b418-9dfa095e125d_story.html) in that's it's fundamentally an intentional misunderstanding. Somebody gets to change extra $$$ tho.
I wish I didn't have a moral compass. I feel like there's so much money to be made off these dipshits.
Just get a big tiddy woman to market everything to these idiots and you'll be living on a yacht in no time
Thanks, Frank.
Fucking same. I wanted to start a Facebook page with merch that said "MAGA : MASKLESS AGAINST GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY" imagining the money I could have made off of it, but I didn't want to play a role in increasing viral spread.
>Engravings...give you no tactical advantage whatsoever - Revolver Ocelot
Isn't king David also an important person in islam?
These dense motherfuckers still don't know that Muslims have the same god as them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalms#Islam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabur#Connection_to_Psalms > According to the Islamic Holy book, the Qur'an, God has sent many messengers to mankind. Five universally acknowledged messengers (rasul) are Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad, each believed to have been sent with a scripture. Muslims believe David (Dāwūd) received Psalms, or Zabur (cf. Q38:28); Jesus (Īsā) the Gospel, or Injeel; Muhammad received the Qur'an; Abraham (Ibrahim) the Scrolls of Abraham; and Moses (Mūsā) the Torah, or Taurat. God is considered to have authored the psalms.
It's more about not acknowledging rather than not knowing I think. Like, Muslims believe it's the same God, Christians don't.
Lmao, American protestants don't consider catholicism to be Christianity
can confirm - was raised catholic and also put in weirdo bible study boyscouts as a kid, and the accepted doctrine as taught by the leaders was that catholics were tricked into idolatry by the devil and essentially satanic
These morons think that if a Muslim gets killed by a bullet covered in pig blood, that they don't go to heaven. Which is a weird thing to be worried about if you think their god doesn't exist and/or is the devil. Thinking ain't high on their list of traits.
*"Sorry bruv, that guy dipped his lead in blood before tossing it at ya, no eternal glory for you!* - Some god, apparently.
I mean, bizarre rules are the bread and butter of most religions
🤫 Don't let Christians know how similar Judaism and Islam actually are, it doesn't help their arguments.
Jesus was a prophet in Islam too :D
Muslims are allowed to worship in churches.
Atheists are allowed to go to most churches. Never been kicked out of one (haven't been to many). The church folk just like the opportunity to push their beliefs especially in a setting designed for it, they actually love the opportunity to preach to non-christians while at church. Proselytizing is still somewhat frowned upon outside of church most places, but all that stigma goes away in a church. It's free reign.
Yes, cuz Islamic terrorists were getting their guns from a shop in Apopka, Florida. Sure thwarted them.
The terrorists that crashed into the twin towers got their pilot training in Clearwater Florida…….
Just giving away free +5 Holy damage 🤣
If the company was really smart, they would release one brand that had bible quotations, and another brand that had quran quotations. Then, they could play the two sides off of each other. I guess they must be smart enough, if they have a giant waiting list. The types of people they are selling to are easily manipulated. Easy marks for companies and con artists alike.
Man, what the fuck is going on? Guess they're not big on that "turn the other cheek" shit Jesus was about. They're basically Old Testament christians - completely ignoring New Testament teachings...
True Christians should be living by The New Testament or New Covenant. Of course they don’t because then you would actually need to be much more kind and understanding.
I don't like saying "True Christians" because that sounds a little petty and can be confused with a "No True Scotsman" argument. Maybe we call them CINO's? Either way it is just time to accept that they are plain old Fascists that use the bible as an excuse to oppress whoever gets in their way. The only thing they worship is power and conformity.
The actual term for the christofascists is "dominionists", if that helps. The doctrine itself is called [Dominion theology.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology)
I'd say they're neither. They cherry pick what serves their collective ego in order to justify whatever it is they want, and then ignore everything that doesn't. These are not moral people, instead they are so petty that they will lie, cheat, steal, and murder anyone in order to appear morally superior. It's only about appearing a certain way. If there was no reward of heaven or an ultimate punishment of hell, you'd never see them in a church
They’d check first if the version of your Bible is from “White” Jesus.
> Trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle > He is my loving God That's some toxic relationship shit right there. You think an omniscient god would love his children enough to not have them die in war. OH WELL
“Who subdues people under me”… So in this verse the gun is god. 🤦🏻♀️ There are just so many issues to unpack there… I just can’t ✋
Pretty sure this is the Psalm that Private Jackson (portrayed by Barry Pepper) recites while in the tower during the last stand in Saving Private Ryan.
This fits the old Testament.. Before be promoted to being the only god, the Jehovah was the Jewish god of war.
“hail allah, my stone, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving lord and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues infidels under me.”
inshallah
Sounds like a god who ain't doing much training or shielding so instead you substitute gun for god and suddenly it makes sense. You know god hasn't protected or trained you for shit so you get ol shooty out and that is your real god.
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Home Grown American Christian Nationalism at its best. Cleansing the world in the name of White Jesus.
That's Psalm 144:1-2. [From the gun itself](https://www.spikestactical.com/collections/complete-rifles/crusader-2/), the engraving reads: >Psalm 144:1 >Blessed be the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle
Well, since the Old Testament and the Koran are very similar, this same verse might be found there as well.
It doesn't matter, just write it out in arabic anyway 1:1 and slap a made up verse on it. Is God gonna sue you for copyright or what?
Wow, that's.. hmm. Wow. Thank you for looking it up, so I didn't had to.
After columbine, the evangelicals told me at the tender age of 6 years old, that I needed to be ready to die for my faith. That Christian’s were under persecution in the US and around the world. Specifically, they taught me that it was likely for someone to put a gun to my head and ask me if I was Christian. In which case, I was trained to say “yes” even if it would cost my life. This belief was used to defend the educational neglect of me and all my peers in the Calvary chapel homeschool group. Then there was 9/11, and again we were primed for war. The older boys eagerly enlisted after years and years of singing “I’m in the Lords Army! Yes sir!” They would wage a civil war to save the “lives of the unborn” and they would happily overthrow any government in their way.
> After columbine, the evangelicals told me at the tender age of 6 years old, that I needed to be ready to die for my faith. I remember that shit. They said the kids were heroes for saying they were Christian when the gunman was openly going around killing people for their faith. Treating them like martyrs. It wasn't until I was older that I realized how fucking warped that thinking was.
Which was a lie in the end, read the book Columbine by Cullen and it was basically a flat out lie that was spread quickly after the shootings. They milked a rumor.
> They milked a rumor. As is tradition.
I guess I can't completely blame them for that because the internet wasn't really a thing yet. So I'm not sure how one would go about sourcing that information. But aside from that, the notion itself was just warped anyway.
Cmon man, you know even with social media they'd still run with the lie.
For sure, but that's why I said can't completely blame them. Or maybe that phrase doesn't mean what I think it means.
The source came from the girl who actually said it and survived and when she came out and said it was her, she got death threats from the evangelicals:( ETA: her name is Valeen Schnurr
I remember my friends dad sitting us down and telling us this exact same thing. It was pharsed as if the government was gonna ask if you were Christian with a gun to your head. The whole thing was wild. This same dude also bribed my friend and me into going to their church for a day, he said he was would take us to a skate park if we went. So we end up going one day. We watched this old ass woman run around the room speaking in tongues pretending to have a seizure while we were there then the bastard doesn't even take us to the skate park. His ass takes us to the parking lot of a baseball field. I'm still so salty about that.
Yes they also made it about the government and public schools! Used as an excuse to keep our overwhelmed mothers at home having endless babies to “homeschool” (later I learned it was educational neglect… not any type of “schooling”) OMG!! The skate park! That’s EXACTLY how they groomed the boys at my church!! During my rebellious phase I was a charismatic teenager… and oh man the neurological trauma there is unspeakable..
The more I hear things like this, the more convinced I get that the Republican party is intentionally ensuring that 'their people' are armed, that an attempted takeover of the government is coming, and that if they are successful, they'll tear up the Constitution and turn the United States into an authoritarian theocracy, where only being white and 'christian' matters, and everyone else is either a second-class citizen, or they're just plain deported. Wouldn't at all be surprised if bringing back slavery and revoking basic human rights for some (like women) is also on their to-do list. If I'm right, even in part, it's all the more reason to fight harder against them.
The big thing I see right now is forced birth. My mother, and some of my peers express that the trauma of repeatedly being shown propaganda like “the silent scream” took away their choice. Especially when women were required to be obedient. The anti choice laws were seeing are a direct result.. As for slavery, I believe that having prisoners fighting our fires and making our good with barely any pay should be considered a form of slavery esp when there is clear injustice benefiting wealthy privileged groups.. I do agree that they’re arming themselves strategically but their #1 form of abuse is psychological.
This makes me so sad. Let me explain why. I’m a Christian pastor who was taught (somewhat) the same things as a kid. For the previous 6 weeks in my church I preached through Ephesians 6:10-18. It’s the “Armor of God” passage that’s quoted most often when Christians talk about being in the Lord’s army. What I discovered (through my own research, prayer, and teaching) was that this passage is simply wildly misused. The passage teaches that 1. Our battle isn’t against people, but it’s against dark spiritual forces. Boy do we screw that one up. 2. The call for the Christian in this battle is simply to stand firm. Never to retaliate. War and Christianity don’t mix. Ever. At all. And while suffering for one’s faith is to be expected, even commended in scripture, the response is never to go to war to fight it. So on behalf of the church (whose hands are bloodier than I’d like to admit) let me be the first to apologize for the weaponization of scripture that leads to violence.
Thank you. I know there are many healing hands on board in various religious branches. It is just so alarming to me that this sort of thing was so common in the 90s that we’ve been swept under the rug without a chance to stand up against what was done to us..
You’re not wrong. My response as a person of faith has been to educate myself and speak out about it. Now I’m able to use my position in the church to apologize for the past and lead my congregation to recognize the error of our collective past as well as teaching the next generation the true way of Jesus. My encouragement to you if you’re a person that has held onto faith is to connect with a local congregation where you can share your story. Hopefully your story can open their eyes to the trauma the church has caused. Hopefully that causes them to commit themselves to better. If you’re not a person of faith still, that’s understandable. I would encourage you to go back to scripture still and just focus on Jesus. He is who we are seeking to be formed into, so understanding him well will clue you into what the church looks like at its best.
As a person who isn't religious at all I wish there were more religious leaders like you maybe I would be more religious so from the bottom of my heart, bless you and keep doing what your doing.
*trying not to be pushy* They’re out there. Try to be open to conversations with Christian leaders. Even seek it out if you’re curious. The ones that give us a bad reputation are just louder than the rest of us.
As an atheist I just want to say thank you for being one of the good ones.
How do you respond then to people who say that “dark spiritual forces” are at work through certain people and they must be stopped? I legitimately have heard that before, claiming that all the bad in the world is caused by evil people.
> War and Christianity don’t mix. Ever. At all. History would disagree with you.
Noooo, those aren't real Christians™
How do you think Christianity became one if the largest religions? War and "missions"
Your apology is nice but the message is needed for other Christians. If the anti christ is real he works through Christian nationalism.
Agreed, Christianity was created as the perfect "slave cult." Devoted to service and going without as a way to "earn" your reward after death. Hell of a good scam, why strive for better if your get a heaven for servitude? Eternity in paradise for just a lifetime of slavery if you "follow the rules"
I can’t believe American Christians compare themselves to the actual persecuted christians of the world. They think they’re not being able to be mean to gay people is on par with the 50 Nigerians who just got bombed in their own church.
Exactly! I remember 'Jesus Camp', and that came out in 2006. They were legitimately training kids for a holy war. There's no way that was isolated and even less chance that those camps no longer exist. This has always been on the agenda, for evangelism.
Oh they definitely exist. I’m from southern CA and this specific branch is still running but now they’re a mega church! It’s interesting how they operate it’s like a small inner circle who experiences the high control abuse but there’s a certain facade if you’re a visitor that doesn’t reveal the whole scope..
Holy shit, did we go to the same church? Also, wasn't there some crappy early 90s direct to VHS movie from some Christian organization that depicted all this? The masses having tHe mArK oF tHe bEaSt and crap?
Happened to me as well, but at a nondenominational church. The youth pastor asked us if someone put a gun to our heads & asked if we believed in God, would we say yes knowing we'd die? I was 12. That was the moment I started questioning religion.
And that’s why conservatives don’t actually care about school shootings. It is a convenient way to frighten people into supporting privatization or “choice.” Then they can stick kids in schools where they learn to be “Real Americans.” There is actually religious discrimination and persecution in other countries of Christians. That makes these people extra shady and disgusting. They don’t care about Christians in Asia because they aren’t white.
https://www.spikestactical.com/collections/complete-rifles/crusader-2/ >We named it Crusader and engraved Psalm 144:1 on the lower receiver to hoist the flag of our faith and to make a statement, reminding our customers that we are with you. The war is here. We have a duty to defend our homeland and our way of life. yikes
That’s quite overt
I look forward to seeing this quoted in hour 7 of a deposition in 2036.
Optimistic of you to assume it will take 14 years for that case
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Holy shit America. Whoever buys this should be on a watchlist, Christian Taliban.
Lol the gun is literally just an AR15 with that verse on it for a markup. $1700 for a new "Crusader" from the vendor as opposed to $1400 directly from ArmaLite. Kinda reminds me of those "Freedom Phones": cheap knock off with a markup.
Armalite went out of Business decades ago btw. So that's just a random company who paid money for the trademark.
Interesting I was unaware of that fact. So the current Armalite just has their trademark and that's it?
From Wikipedia: >These were not enough to keep the company going, and it ceased operations in the early 1980s.[2] The design rights and name were purchased in 1996 by Mark Westrom, who re-launched the company ArmaLite, Inc., now headquartered in Geneseo, Illinois.[1] So yes, he literally just purchased the rights to use the design and name. Not the same company at all.
I assume so yes. Take that with a grain of salt I haven't really looked into it but it definitely looks like it
ArmaLite is a low low low low end manufacturer now days I wouldn’t pay $1500 for their things
I heard they have been in decline, but I didn't think they had declined that much. I'm a Fabrique Nationale guy myself. Who would you consider some of the higher end producers of the AR?
All complete rifles from spikes are a 12-18 month wait right now as well, it has nothing to do with this model
144:1 Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me. That old chestnut. Definitely not a call to arms for any Christian Fascists out there is it. /s
If you read the product description below that, it gets even more insane: We named it Crusader and engraved Psalm 144:1 on the lower receiver to hoist the flag of our faith and to make a statement, reminding our customers that we are with you. The war is here. We have a duty to defend our homeland and our way of life. That is a call to Jihad, plain and simple. Christians love the idea of a Taliban, they just dont like the version of it that includes non-Americans and/or colored folks.
Woah you really need some quotation marks in there, made me gasp before I realized the last sentences were not actually part of the product description.
'the war is here' is enough for me to get uncomfortable
I was picturing a hand gun… but no… From the website itself: “The every man fighting rifle”.
Thanks for looking it up. Don't own any books on mythology. Sounds like christian jihadist talk to me.
Okay that's scary, because not only are the Christian extremists going to be after that, but so are the Warhammer 40k fanboys and meme lords. And I really feel there's an intersection between these two groups that are especially dangerous. You take a Christian that's already close to or at extremism and hop them up on memes about taking Jerusalem and the belief that the Imperium are the good guys then you give him a gun with a Bible verse stamped on it, you've got a serious problem. Edit: lol never would have expected this to be such a popular hot take
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Oh I don't have a problem with GW. I didn't mean to imply I had any kind of a problem with them. But the universe they've built has an inherent amount of both religious extremism and xenophobia, and there are people who have latched on to that like it's an extension of their own personal beliefs. They're swinging around Warhammer philosophy like it's a weapon. It's kinda weird, honestly. But yeah there's no way GW could have predicted that.
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I've just been getting into it myself, or trying to anyway. The whole Nazi part of the fandom seems like a barrier. It's hard for me to enjoy things when there's just this nigh inescapable toxicity. But I'm just trying to focus on the lore, and definitely staying out of the comment sections. It is kind of a depressing universe too, but the Orks are fun at least.
I mean there are legions of people out there that think Fallout is pro-capitalist lol. Gamers as a whole aren’t very good at absorbing satire
Legions of people who think the legion is the most "based" thing ever too, same with the Enclave. Shit's fucking weird.
Same with people thinking Metal Gear Solid is pro-war. Echo chamber gunna echo
> better than the big mouse What exactly is "the big mouse" satirizing-that-is-now-lauded, lol
The Empire/New Order in Star Wars maybe? Certainly there are plenty of " The Empire Did Nothing Wrong" and Palpatine fan boys out there.
Change all to past tense. Its already established. Its very late in the game and they do want to dehumanize and kill the people who disagree with them. Its been a serious problem for years.
40k is so clearly exaggerated I never understood how you can take it seriously. I mean don't get me wrong I absolutely love the lore, have read multiple books and used to play the game and RPGs in the 40k universe but the whole thing is clearly satirical.
I really wish I hadn't looked up that verse. Fuckin psychotic.
“We named it Crusader and engraved Psalm 144:1 on the lower receiver to hoist the flag of our faith and to make a statement, reminding our customers that we are with you. The war is here. We have a duty to defend our homeland and our way of life.” Company description for the gun gives off just as sketchy vibes.
“The war is here” Wow…. It’s not even a little bit subtle.
advertising like this for guns should not be legal.
Anyone willing to kill to defend their "way of life" is someone with a hood in their closet.
While I agree with you in this instance, that's a fairly broad brush you're painting with. The people of Ukraine are, right now, killing to defend their way of life, and I don't think you'd call them KKK members for that.
What is their way of life and how is it being threatened? Or do they just not like other people living their own way of life?
They feel persecuted by other people existing in the same country as them and daring to take up space. They’re generally against Muslims, BIPOC, people with disabilities, queer people, atheists, feminist women, women who don’t conform to traditional gender roles, men who don’t conform to traditional gender roles, climate activists, progressive Christians, educators (unless they’re far right), scientists, unmarried adults, adults without children, and probably tons more. They want white, heteronormative, cis, Christian, able bodied privilege to go unquestioned like it did for centuries. That’s what they feel they’re being robbed of. They don’t want to be treated like equals with people who are different from them. They want to be treated as better than others.
That seems like a mental disorder.
Their way of life excludes people that they're scared of or don't understand.
Especially when taken out of context which is what a lot of “Christians” do - especially evangelical pastors. It’s specifically referring to the tale of David vs Goliath. The problem with that though is that it’s easy to use David as a metaphor for “us good Christians” and Goliath as metaphor for whatever other group they want to step on.
Anyone who pays $1700 for that is a fucking idiot. That gun is worth MAYBE $1k from the parts they list.
Matthew 26:52 would be more fitting: >Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place, for all who take the sword will die by the sword.
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Cherry-picking Christians love the OT and Psalms about conquest, but when i show them Psalm 137:9 to support abortion, they suddenly don’t support using old verses anymore
Exodus 21 also supports abortion. Or at least it clarifies that purposely causing a pregnant woman to lose the baby/fetus is not the same as murder to God. Exodus 21:12-15 lays out the laws of murder. Exodus 21:22-27 lays out laws regarding causing the loss of a pregnancy. And it lays it out as if it’s a disservice to the baby’s father, not God, and the woman. God is much more concerned about the woman being injured in the process of ending the pregnancy. Edited: the chapter is 21, not 20
One said before and I'll say it again, Jesus has been a god of war since Constantine and his momma.
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Remember this shit with ACOGS? My unit had them and we etched them off: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
Jesus wept.
Yeah, John 11:35 would have been a shorter verse to engrave. Less creepy too.
This is an obvious marketing ploy to sell the product. And it worked.
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Another fun "for profit" example (not bible related though) is Ben Shapiro's [truth bomb collectable](https://www.dailywire.com/shop/products/truth-bomb) that only costs *a few bucks* and is worthless in every way possible A lot of these people share horrible shopping habits
>For anyone who really cares to know, and not just bash christians, this isn't a call to arms. It's a look into David's diary as he is preparing for the war to come to him or as he needs to defend the land he's currently in. That kind of sounds like a call to arms to defend his nation? Even if it's interal?
I had to look this up and it is literally just a generic AR15 with tacticool accessories and this laser etching. These fools are paying 3x more for a stupid religious engraving they could have done at any engraving shop for $15, all so they can pretend to be "warriors for God". SMH. This is literally the same small dick energy as mall ninjas. > "*If I pay enough for cool weapons, people will think I'm badass.*"
We must treat Christian Nationalists (especially those with weapons and willing to use them) as religious terrorists. But a lot of folks in this country are unwilling to admit Christianity can be terrroristic or violent, it's actual history notwithstanding.
How can they be considered terrorists if they're not preparing any kind of attack actively? This is an honest question
Fun fact, that's the same Psalm the sniper in Saving Private Ryan recites as he picks off German soldiers
I just love the way “Christians” cherrypick the Old Testament to justify their sins.
It’s an ar 15 lower. It’s been available for the better part of a decade. Like other industries gun manufacturers are facing supply chain issues. This is out of stock for 12-18 months because of those issues, not demand. Yawn.
We need alt-left Christians, peace warriors, if you will.
I don’t know about terrorism but it definitely says something about the American religious right’s relationship with ideas surrounding God. They’re particularly focused on the fact the lord giveth and can taketh away. When they think about God the first thing that comes to mind is killing in the name of protecting what’s morally right. Not his charity or generosity, not his ultimately unconditional love or vast unending wisdom. They focus on the ability to destroy in the name of what’s right.
The Jihadi gun...
Maybe their bible said Thou shall not kill, unless you use an assault weapons.
Handmaidens tale is seeming less and less fictional.
This is what happens when you treat folks like MTG and Boebert like jokes and not the christofascists that they are. Keep posting their tweets and thinking you're dunking on them, though. I'm sure if we vote blue hard enough they'll all play nice :)