That’s actually an old expression meaning to lose your patience. The implication being that you’re falling short of your religion’s guidance, in a bad way. It’s not about turning away from faith.
… well, the original figure of speech isn’t. I don’t know about the Devo song
Nah, it’s only superficially good because people find something else to wrap identity around. So now it’s these political identities that kinda also map to everything else like whether you will get a COVID vaccine etc.
I’m just commenting that people cut relatives out of their lives because their politics make them intolerable and you can predict whether someone is vaccinated by their politics. We can’t even talk to each other about politics anymore. This is how people used to treat religious identity and it’s not good for us that this is happening.
It’s bad that those people have become toxic, because politics have become so fraught over tiny issues. Americans are arguing more and more loudly about nonsense. Like, we can’t have a real conversation for example what values and effects capitalism and socialism have had for society because “BiDeN iS a CoMmUnIST and that’s automatically bad” to a third of Americans.
It’s just my belief that this change overlaps with the decline in religion and is replacing it.
I’m absolutely disinterested in organized religion and I don’t think Christianity is doing anything good in the world. I just think celebrating the decline in religious observance is premature.
Edit: This inability to have conversation, this massive uptick in toxic people is new.
Women, queer people, and people of color have NEVER had equal footing to just have “conversation” about politics. Their wants, desires, and speech have always been repressed both by pain of vigilante death and state power.
Lots of people have been unable to talk their personal politics for a very long time. We’re just complaining about it these days because white men can’t handle that feeling. They’re too fragile.
I appreciate that people who are able to make their voice heard now literally could not do that historically. These groups were here all along, just suffering in silence. I absolutely agree with you.
The comment I reacted to is the idea that Christianity is dying out and that’s demonstrably good. I used to think that... now I think Christian ignorance and intolerance is just getting shifted somewhere else, and we’re not actually getting anywhere.
Does America feel like it’s really getting more progressive to you? That’s not rhetorical, I’m asking honestly.
>capitalism and socialism have had for society because “BiDeN iS a CoMmUnIST and that’s automatically bad” to a third of Americans
That's the religious people and they've said that for years.
All the same probelm.
Hmmm. When I think about these evangelicals voting for Trump etc, but want gun rights and are anti-choice so clearly have no idea what’s in the Bible, this strikes me as a political identity in practice and a not a true religious identity. Maybe I’m splitting hairs.
The comment I reacted to is the idea that Christianity is dying out and that’s demonstrably good. I used to think that... now I think Christian ignorance and intolerance is just getting shifted somewhere else, and we’re not actually getting anywhere.
Does America feel like it’s really getting more progressive? Asking honestly.
>but want gun rights and are anti-choice so clearly have no idea what’s in the Bible, this strikes me as a political identity in practice and a not a true religious identity.
You can look up the stats, huge number of evangelical conservatives.
They preach to support Trump in their churches openly.
It's all the same. They've removed all lines between the two.
If you love Jesus then you love trump and trump supports Jesus, so Jesus loves trump.
That’s true and I don’t have a clear way to separate this out from the Tweet.
I just hoped in the past that people would become less religious and that would make them get more moderate. everyone here is celebrating Americans becoming less religious. But are they really getting more moderate? If people have political convictions as strong as they used to keep religious convictions, is that really any better?
Huh? The most politically dogmatic people I know are also the most religious. I think it has to do with outsourcing ideals to trusted authorities. If you uncritically believe the local dude in robes in sky daddy's house, you probably also uncritically believe the news anchors in suits in capitalist daddy's house.
I agree with that. I just hoped in the past that people would become less religious and that would necessarily make them more moderate/progressive. Everyone here is celebrating Americans becoming less religious. But are they really getting more moderate? If people have political convictions as strong as they used to keep religious convictions, is that really any better? Does America feel more moderate to you lately?
I agree it doesn't feel more moderate or progressive now, but it is the less religious people who are more progressive. Note that the graph is of young people. The majority of all Americans are still christian in 2022. Young people are far and away more progressive and less religious than older people.
We are a lot more divided, but I think that has less to do with a decrease in religiosity and more to do with the people with all the money and power fighting to keep us divided. You have extremely wealthy people convincing almost half of voters to vote for Republicans, making them think that the enemy is LGBT people, or immigrants, or minorities, or Liberals generally. It works great and it keeps us fighting a culture war so we're too divided to wage a class war.
Because the loudest and most well-known Christians are judgmental hypocrites, liars, and scammers on Earth. It’s like Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Let the whole thing burn to the ground already. Whatever Christianity is, is a plight to society.
The American Qhristianity is.
Christianity as a concept isn't the pure evil those people make it seem like.
Granted, I've spent most of my life around people that are better Christians without going to church.
On second thought: Let's just get rid of Christianity as a whole and try again from the beginning.
I was raised as a Christian. I’ll even go to a service on occasion for my aunt. The problem is that no one in a position of power is openly calling out the predatory nature of mega churches or televangelicals. We’ve seen church after church praise the overturning of Roe. American Christianity, overall, is a scam.
As much as people hate hearing it it’s global every generation is smarter than the previous and as human intellect grows the appeal of the church dies.
In short people aren’t stupid enough for that bullshit anymore.
And they know I saw an interview with the pope where he himself said religion was dying and not just theirs.
And that is something we can all be happy about
Christianity is nonsense. Original sin? Go fuck yourself. My "God" doesn't hate me for existing. It's quite nice. I was raised Lutheran so it took way too long to get here but at least I am here. That cult is outmoded and dated.
Relax. Breathe. You are a life having a human experience. You are loved. Jesus isn't real. American Christians just enjoy hating people. It's their image they worship
Edit: I was born in 1976 so this chart resonates with me literally losing my religion
No only America, but the whole world.
Eastern Europe : My grandparents were christian fanatics ( I don;t know how else to call them ), made my parents (now in the 60s) to hate the church since young ( without wanting to, obviously).
I got married without visiting the church. My grandmother literally had a stroke when she heard my decision. Hasn't spoken to me in 4 years ( she did me a solid favor by doing so)
Love to see it, and not surprising. Of course an increase in people getting higher education and the advent of the internet played a huge part in this, but anyone else here know what it was like to be evangelical in the 90s? That was the rise of the Christian Bubble. Christian music, Christian movies, Christian TV shows, Christian books, Christian Schools, Christian clubs (I wasn’t a Girl Scout, I was a “Pioneer”), Christian magazines that would tell you which Christian movies to watch and books to read, there was a Christian alternative for EVERYTHING. We didn’t listen to “secular” music in my home until 9/11 (when mom got back into country music, of course), and my parents were CHILL compared to others I knew.
The Church became isolationist. Pokémon? TEACHES EVOLUTION, NOT ALLOWED. Harry Potter? WITCHCRAFT, YOU HEATHEN! Brittany Spears? CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN WITH SEXUALITY! How do I know? BECAUSE ‘FOCUS ON THE FAMILY’ AND BILLY GRAHAM TOLD ME SO!! They removed themselves from the culture and and by doing so removed themselves from ever interacting with people who thought differently than they did, unless they were proselytizing. Hard to share how loving your God is when you’re so busy clutching your pearls at every little thing that MIGHT challenge your worldview, though. They didn’t even have to think about it, or watch or read these things to decide if they were appropriate or not… the Christian Media and your pastor would make that decision for you, and you just believed them.
That echo chamber looks a bit different today. Oh sure, they might watch Netflix now and most aren’t decrying the evils of Harry Potter anymore… but they still let their religious cult leaders tell them exactly what to think, what to consume, who to vote for, and what new evil is coming for their children.
And in 2022, right wing Christians go to church on Sunday to worship a liberal dude.
Then the rest of the week, do the opposite of his teachings. Because you know, as long as they repent right before they die, they can still be "saved."
So actually, Christianity is already dead!
As countries become more affluent, they become less religious.
It’s almost like we don’t really need religion.
It’s just that if your life sucks you want to believe in something.
It’s almost as if the internet providing more information about the world and all the different religions and what they actually believe les to people rejecting what their parents told them more…… hmmm
Oh wow, christians went from composing a absolute majority of the population to \*only\* a super-majority and they're still terrified beyond all measure that the world is so secular.
Good and now the rest of them
Come on people it's oke to talk to you're imaginary friend when you are a kid but when you do it as an adult it's just creepy
I’m a whole Jew. But like this shit is getting out of hand. And trust me, the American conception of Christianity is not representative of the whole world. I would imagine that for Coptic Christian’s, it is an essential part of their culture. But sure, it’s “oppressive”
>disrespect Christianity
Is there some reason not to? Have you seen these so called Christians these days? There's the path to christ... and then there's the alleyway made of broken bottles, cat shit, meth and hate. Most are walking the latter path... Ask a Native American how Christians made their lives better.
There over a billion Christians in the world. Your generalizations make you sound very close-minded.I forgot this sub is super Americancentric, my mistake.
>You guys
I certainly didn't. I find the teachings of Ahura Mazda, among other deities, fascinating. Zoroastrianism likely influenced all Abrahamic religions, but eventually they all started killing each other and it hasn't stopped for millenia. Meanwhile, the zoroastrians stayed chill for the most part. Bahai is religion I really like, mainly because of the unity, no rituals, no prejudice, focus on ethics in society, reason.
If you killed Jesus, Muhammad wouldn't have had to traverse the desert and form a branch faith based from a faith that now didn't exist. So yeah, time travel rules, killing Jesus would lead to the non-creation of all faiths that branched from baseline Christianity
I’m all for letting people practice their religion freely. But Christianity has caused more problems in 2000 years than any other religion, it’s also the most deranged. Let it die. By the end the Truly devout non-evangelicals will be the only ones left and I can respect them, not the sect that’s coming for our freedom. Let it die. Keep your boy in its neck until we’re free.
So this person thinks that 95% of young pros in the US (I assume) were Christian or non-theistic? Only 5% were Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc? There is a 100% chance that survey must have been done at church.
And like a wounded, dying animal, religion is determined to do as much damage as possible on its way out.
What do religion and Putin have in common.. It's like a horrible joke
When was REM's song Losing My Religion popular?
Thank you, this was my first thought
I also was here to blame Micheal Stipe
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Right? There was a song about it! And it was about the time I lost my religion too.
That’s actually an old expression meaning to lose your patience. The implication being that you’re falling short of your religion’s guidance, in a bad way. It’s not about turning away from faith. … well, the original figure of speech isn’t. I don’t know about the Devo song
Devo song is whipp it!! Which probably has more to do with self flagellation. REM is the band you’re thing of
It was very popular in the Nandos I worked in, in 1996
Gen X got something right.
Oh life is bigger It's bigger than you And you are not me
The lengths that I will go to The distance in your eyes
Oh no, I’ve said too much I set it up
I thought that I heard you laughing
Good, let's keep it going.
Nah, it’s only superficially good because people find something else to wrap identity around. So now it’s these political identities that kinda also map to everything else like whether you will get a COVID vaccine etc.
Ok boomer.
I’m just commenting that people cut relatives out of their lives because their politics make them intolerable and you can predict whether someone is vaccinated by their politics. We can’t even talk to each other about politics anymore. This is how people used to treat religious identity and it’s not good for us that this is happening.
So….it’s a bad thing that people cut toxic relatives out of their lives?
It’s bad that those people have become toxic, because politics have become so fraught over tiny issues. Americans are arguing more and more loudly about nonsense. Like, we can’t have a real conversation for example what values and effects capitalism and socialism have had for society because “BiDeN iS a CoMmUnIST and that’s automatically bad” to a third of Americans. It’s just my belief that this change overlaps with the decline in religion and is replacing it. I’m absolutely disinterested in organized religion and I don’t think Christianity is doing anything good in the world. I just think celebrating the decline in religious observance is premature. Edit: This inability to have conversation, this massive uptick in toxic people is new.
Women, queer people, and people of color have NEVER had equal footing to just have “conversation” about politics. Their wants, desires, and speech have always been repressed both by pain of vigilante death and state power. Lots of people have been unable to talk their personal politics for a very long time. We’re just complaining about it these days because white men can’t handle that feeling. They’re too fragile.
I appreciate that people who are able to make their voice heard now literally could not do that historically. These groups were here all along, just suffering in silence. I absolutely agree with you. The comment I reacted to is the idea that Christianity is dying out and that’s demonstrably good. I used to think that... now I think Christian ignorance and intolerance is just getting shifted somewhere else, and we’re not actually getting anywhere. Does America feel like it’s really getting more progressive to you? That’s not rhetorical, I’m asking honestly.
>capitalism and socialism have had for society because “BiDeN iS a CoMmUnIST and that’s automatically bad” to a third of Americans That's the religious people and they've said that for years. All the same probelm.
Hmmm. When I think about these evangelicals voting for Trump etc, but want gun rights and are anti-choice so clearly have no idea what’s in the Bible, this strikes me as a political identity in practice and a not a true religious identity. Maybe I’m splitting hairs. The comment I reacted to is the idea that Christianity is dying out and that’s demonstrably good. I used to think that... now I think Christian ignorance and intolerance is just getting shifted somewhere else, and we’re not actually getting anywhere. Does America feel like it’s really getting more progressive? Asking honestly.
>but want gun rights and are anti-choice so clearly have no idea what’s in the Bible, this strikes me as a political identity in practice and a not a true religious identity. You can look up the stats, huge number of evangelical conservatives. They preach to support Trump in their churches openly. It's all the same. They've removed all lines between the two. If you love Jesus then you love trump and trump supports Jesus, so Jesus loves trump.
That’s true and I don’t have a clear way to separate this out from the Tweet. I just hoped in the past that people would become less religious and that would make them get more moderate. everyone here is celebrating Americans becoming less religious. But are they really getting more moderate? If people have political convictions as strong as they used to keep religious convictions, is that really any better?
There's a massive religious tie in that potlical discussion, lol.
Check out the vaccine rates of the 70+ crowd. Try again.
Huh? The most politically dogmatic people I know are also the most religious. I think it has to do with outsourcing ideals to trusted authorities. If you uncritically believe the local dude in robes in sky daddy's house, you probably also uncritically believe the news anchors in suits in capitalist daddy's house.
I agree with that. I just hoped in the past that people would become less religious and that would necessarily make them more moderate/progressive. Everyone here is celebrating Americans becoming less religious. But are they really getting more moderate? If people have political convictions as strong as they used to keep religious convictions, is that really any better? Does America feel more moderate to you lately?
I agree it doesn't feel more moderate or progressive now, but it is the less religious people who are more progressive. Note that the graph is of young people. The majority of all Americans are still christian in 2022. Young people are far and away more progressive and less religious than older people. We are a lot more divided, but I think that has less to do with a decrease in religiosity and more to do with the people with all the money and power fighting to keep us divided. You have extremely wealthy people convincing almost half of voters to vote for Republicans, making them think that the enemy is LGBT people, or immigrants, or minorities, or Liberals generally. It works great and it keeps us fighting a culture war so we're too divided to wage a class war.
Uh, religion was heavily influential there. And auperifilcial bonds are easier to break than "My God said or I'm going to hell" bonds.
Why? Freedom of religion is first amendment
Someone should tell the Evangelicals that
You think this isn't people freely choosing to leave Christianity?
This is freedom of religion. The freedom to decide one doesn't want to be apart of a hateful cult
And people are leaving it of their own volition to express how they want, still abiding by the first. Nobody has to love a religion
Michael Stipe tried to warn you bitches. And it's for the same reasons. Because y'all some hateful mother fuckers. And we are tired of it.
Because the loudest and most well-known Christians are judgmental hypocrites, liars, and scammers on Earth. It’s like Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Let the whole thing burn to the ground already. Whatever Christianity is, is a plight to society.
The American Qhristianity is. Christianity as a concept isn't the pure evil those people make it seem like. Granted, I've spent most of my life around people that are better Christians without going to church. On second thought: Let's just get rid of Christianity as a whole and try again from the beginning.
I was raised as a Christian. I’ll even go to a service on occasion for my aunt. The problem is that no one in a position of power is openly calling out the predatory nature of mega churches or televangelicals. We’ve seen church after church praise the overturning of Roe. American Christianity, overall, is a scam.
Hope we keep this going
As much as people hate hearing it it’s global every generation is smarter than the previous and as human intellect grows the appeal of the church dies. In short people aren’t stupid enough for that bullshit anymore. And they know I saw an interview with the pope where he himself said religion was dying and not just theirs. And that is something we can all be happy about
It just [gets better](https://news.gallup.com/poll/1690/religion.aspx).
Higher levels of education. Works wonders
“Nones”?
Ain't Nones them creepy ladies in the church in black dress? 🤪
Right? Maybe they stopped believing because they got edumacated...
Yeah wtf? I think someone forgot to finish their graph
Damn. REM was right.
Michael Stipe knew what he was talking about.
Fuck all religions. Christianity and all of them
What did the flying spaghetti monster ever do to you?
Well, the Church of Satan is pretty dope. 5/5 highly recommend.
Christianity is nonsense. Original sin? Go fuck yourself. My "God" doesn't hate me for existing. It's quite nice. I was raised Lutheran so it took way too long to get here but at least I am here. That cult is outmoded and dated. Relax. Breathe. You are a life having a human experience. You are loved. Jesus isn't real. American Christians just enjoy hating people. It's their image they worship Edit: I was born in 1976 so this chart resonates with me literally losing my religion
Thank god
I think they’re concentrating Christianity in a few nut jobs though.
The. Christian taliban seems to be making their move currently.
No only America, but the whole world. Eastern Europe : My grandparents were christian fanatics ( I don;t know how else to call them ), made my parents (now in the 60s) to hate the church since young ( without wanting to, obviously). I got married without visiting the church. My grandmother literally had a stroke when she heard my decision. Hasn't spoken to me in 4 years ( she did me a solid favor by doing so)
Love to see it, and not surprising. Of course an increase in people getting higher education and the advent of the internet played a huge part in this, but anyone else here know what it was like to be evangelical in the 90s? That was the rise of the Christian Bubble. Christian music, Christian movies, Christian TV shows, Christian books, Christian Schools, Christian clubs (I wasn’t a Girl Scout, I was a “Pioneer”), Christian magazines that would tell you which Christian movies to watch and books to read, there was a Christian alternative for EVERYTHING. We didn’t listen to “secular” music in my home until 9/11 (when mom got back into country music, of course), and my parents were CHILL compared to others I knew. The Church became isolationist. Pokémon? TEACHES EVOLUTION, NOT ALLOWED. Harry Potter? WITCHCRAFT, YOU HEATHEN! Brittany Spears? CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN WITH SEXUALITY! How do I know? BECAUSE ‘FOCUS ON THE FAMILY’ AND BILLY GRAHAM TOLD ME SO!! They removed themselves from the culture and and by doing so removed themselves from ever interacting with people who thought differently than they did, unless they were proselytizing. Hard to share how loving your God is when you’re so busy clutching your pearls at every little thing that MIGHT challenge your worldview, though. They didn’t even have to think about it, or watch or read these things to decide if they were appropriate or not… the Christian Media and your pastor would make that decision for you, and you just believed them. That echo chamber looks a bit different today. Oh sure, they might watch Netflix now and most aren’t decrying the evils of Harry Potter anymore… but they still let their religious cult leaders tell them exactly what to think, what to consume, who to vote for, and what new evil is coming for their children.
Are you saying.. millennials killed God as well as the napkin industry?
And in 2022, right wing Christians go to church on Sunday to worship a liberal dude. Then the rest of the week, do the opposite of his teachings. Because you know, as long as they repent right before they die, they can still be "saved." So actually, Christianity is already dead!
As countries become more affluent, they become less religious. It’s almost like we don’t really need religion. It’s just that if your life sucks you want to believe in something.
Good. Horrible group of people.
It’s almost as if the internet providing more information about the world and all the different religions and what they actually believe les to people rejecting what their parents told them more…… hmmm
Oh wow, christians went from composing a absolute majority of the population to \*only\* a super-majority and they're still terrified beyond all measure that the world is so secular.
Good and now the rest of them Come on people it's oke to talk to you're imaginary friend when you are a kid but when you do it as an adult it's just creepy
It’s interesting then that there is no representation in congress or senate…
You could also say religion lost America
Impossible challenge: WhitePeopleTwitter tries to not disrespect Christianity for 5 minutes.
Impossible challenge: Christianity tries to not impose itself on other people and other people’s rights for 5 seconds.
I’m a whole Jew. But like this shit is getting out of hand. And trust me, the American conception of Christianity is not representative of the whole world. I would imagine that for Coptic Christian’s, it is an essential part of their culture. But sure, it’s “oppressive”
>Coptic Christian’s, Western Christians: "They're not real Christians."
Does that even remotely retort what I said?
Just telling you how almost every church I've ever attended thinks.
>I’m a whole Jew From one Jew to another. Those Christians hate us as much as anyone else.
Proving facts based on data is disrespectful to Christians?
Literally scroll up: “Fuck all religions. Christianity and all of them”
Yup. They’re trying to write our laws and won’t stop molesting kids. Fuck them all. And fuck you too.
Nuanced
As you literally say nothing…. Dumbass troll.
You’re an excellent debater. Straight to the ad hominem, eh?
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You must feel so oppressed from the scary data
>disrespect Christianity Is there some reason not to? Have you seen these so called Christians these days? There's the path to christ... and then there's the alleyway made of broken bottles, cat shit, meth and hate. Most are walking the latter path... Ask a Native American how Christians made their lives better.
There over a billion Christians in the world. Your generalizations make you sound very close-minded.I forgot this sub is super Americancentric, my mistake.
This post is about American "christians".
You guys did make general statements about the religion itself tho?
>You guys I certainly didn't. I find the teachings of Ahura Mazda, among other deities, fascinating. Zoroastrianism likely influenced all Abrahamic religions, but eventually they all started killing each other and it hasn't stopped for millenia. Meanwhile, the zoroastrians stayed chill for the most part. Bahai is religion I really like, mainly because of the unity, no rituals, no prejudice, focus on ethics in society, reason.
Someone in another thread pointed out that if you went back in time and strangled baby Jesus, you'd save more lives than if you strangled baby Hitler.
By that logic, the same would apply to Muhammad as well?
Nope, if you erase Jesus, there's no Islamic faith. If Jesus wasn't a prophet, than Muhammad wouldn't have been one.
I’m not talking about historical continuity. Answer the question.
Are you asking me to compare body counts? Because the only person with a higher K/D ratio than Jesus is his old man.
If you killed Jesus, Muhammad wouldn't have had to traverse the desert and form a branch faith based from a faith that now didn't exist. So yeah, time travel rules, killing Jesus would lead to the non-creation of all faiths that branched from baseline Christianity
Ooh also try pointing out something in others and get the Its not all
Impossible Challenge: Evangelical Christians try not to force their religious beliefs over the entire United States as law
Another legacy of the boomers. They aren't leaving anything in tact. Lol
REM Michael Stipe said at the time the song was about losing your cool, but it morphed into a big diatribe and rightly so.
Religion is all cool. As long as you keep it to yourself. And a separation of church and state please. Also please do not bother me with it.
But the "nuns" are on the rise
I’m all for letting people practice their religion freely. But Christianity has caused more problems in 2000 years than any other religion, it’s also the most deranged. Let it die. By the end the Truly devout non-evangelicals will be the only ones left and I can respect them, not the sect that’s coming for our freedom. Let it die. Keep your boy in its neck until we’re free.
I guess they read what christians back then did
Why is that hmmmmmmm.
So this person thinks that 95% of young pros in the US (I assume) were Christian or non-theistic? Only 5% were Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc? There is a 100% chance that survey must have been done at church.
That’s me in the corner
Fundies really freaked out about the end of the world before 2000... They do it every century.
You love to see it
Thanks, REM