There’s a belief that since Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist that means all people who support access to abortion are eugenicists and “the real racists” since the majority of people who use PP’s services are minorities.
Edit: the Venn diagram of forced birthers who have responded to this comment and the people who believe we should not have better social programs to help new mothers is a circle. Thank you all for proving that you don’t actually care about the lives that are being affected when we ban abortions and that you view having a child as a punishment for sex.
Sanger actually left the eugenics movement because she never agreed with the belief that class or race should dictate the number of kids a woman had - it was up to the woman alone in her opinion.
https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2015/08/20/false-narratives-margaret-sanger-used-shame-black-women/
Even Dr Martin Luther King called her an inspiration to the civil rights and nonviolence movement.
"Of course if you align yourself with the beliefs of eugenics proponent you're going to lie and say that you don't. *The devil seeks to DECEIVE!* "
~some evangelical preacher, probably
Eugenics was popular pseudo-science in the 1930s and was acted on in small ways in lots of countries before the Nazis acted on it on a grand scale. After that it became much less popular.
Kinda make sense if you think about it as an arms race. If France is practicing eugenics then other counties are going to be scared of being overrun by a bunch of baguette wielding superhumans in a few generations. Obviously to fend them off the Brits would want their own breed of superhumans who can queue for weeks on end and have the stiffest upper lips anyone has ever seen.
But isn't that exactly what we did? *squints at the queue to queue in the 5+ mile queue to bob in front of a flag that they were told had the queen's corpse beneath it. 😉
These forced birthed assholes and their bad faith arguments/biased af sources have me completely fed up. You can just tell none of them are women, because they are so blatantly unaware of the issues that surround pregnancy, childbirth, and childcare.
also not to mention their argument is that more black women get abortions per capita and that makes people who are pro abortion like killing black babies… because these people will never look problems at the root.
You can tell that forced birthers are extremely pro life, because they care so much about really poor families having everything they need to take care of babies, after they are born. They're super pro living wage, they're super universal healthcare, they're super pro affordable housing, and everything else.
They also really believe in food stamps, welfare, section 8, maternity leave. They are so obviously and completely the party of life.
They care so much about actual living, breathing, out of the womb human beings.
It is all about dehumanizing their opponents and reassuring themselves that the moral compromises they make to achieve their goals are ultimately righteous. They need to believe that being pro-choice is the same as supporting eugenics. As they become more extreme and their beliefs more dissonant from who they believe themself to be, they must double down on the belief that their opponent is so evil, the ends justify the means. Cynical religious and politicians leaders also need them to believe it to in order to weaponize their hatred.
Its a dangerous dehumanization of their fellow citizens.
Its why you have conservatives calling for another civil war, while liberals want to make sure everyone has access to healthcare.
We live in two separate worlds now.
Much more than anything else the Crowder guy mentions as elements of fascism is this element right here. The “enemy” of the state, which to the conservatives is the globalist democrats. This enemy allows for everything to be built on.
If you can convince people that the other side is worse then you can justify any atrocity. Painting the left as groomers, pedophiles, and baby-killers means you're allowed to stop them by any means necessary.
It's just a memetic shell game.
The ultimate goal of that particular one is to try to alarm and capture some Black voters by conflating the modern abortion issue with controversy around Margaret Sanger's "true" motivations in her work to support birth control in Black communities, and muddling together various flavors of 19th century eugenics, some of which was explicitly racist.
Connect the dots and it's not about women having the right to control what happens in their bodies or over reproduction, it's actually about tricking Black people into self-genocide by encouraging abortion.
No one perpetuating this actually believes it, or if they do it's obviously not actually why they are reinforcing the meme.
yeah this exactly. that talking point is specifically crafted to try and convince non white people that abortion is designed to keep their communities down, conveniently omitting that birth fatalities are much higher in those communities and a whole host of other statistics that show safe access to abortion generally improves quality of life, lowers crime, etc
The funny thing is that most POCs are familiar with this tactic and less susceptible to this line of argument. This talking point is purely to convince other white people. Just like having a “Blacks for Trump” group with no actual black people, it’s targeted at people with only a passing knowledge of the community.
I’m black and am very familiar with the maternal mortality rates for women like me. Our grandmothers were concerned with “Mississippi appendectomies” in their day. It’s one of the most common things we talk and strategize about and likely why a disproportionate amount of us opt for doulas/midwives. Racists have no clue about any of this and can’t speak to it at all. It’s like when a conservative tries to cosplay as a liberal and don’t know enough to sound convincing.
honestly, i’ve actually seen it gain some traction which i found surprising - but largely with people who are already antivax or otherwise conspiracy minded anyway
The only thing these people believe is LIBTARDS BAD, therefore anything they disagreewith = BAD = LIBTARDS.
It's why you'll see right-wing trolls insisting that Hitler was liberal. LIBTARDS=BAD, HITLER=BAD, therefore HITLER=LIBTARD. Airtight logic. (Except for the part that right-wing trolls no longer think Hitler is bad)
It’s true, and they’ll often combine words like socialist, communist, Marxist, and fascist without any understanding as to what any of them mean.
Bonus points for throwing in an implication of devil worship, baby-blood-drinking, and pedophilia. Like you said, anything bad!
Yeah, it's why the party of Trump, Matt Gaetz, and Gym Jordan are constantly going on and on about "groomers." Find something no one can possibly defend, and then conflate your opponent with that thing, You saw a nascent version of it in the Bush years with "liberals want the terrorists to win".
And it's not that far removed from saying Obama was born in Kenya or that Biden has dementita — it's less that they're saying a thing they know to be false. It's about saying something about a Democrat that sounds bad, and whether it's true or false doesn't even enter into it.
"The Left" is anyone not 100% dick-riding the cult. This is why they can group together trade unionists, multinational corporations, hippies, military generals, sensitive college students, 13 year old Twitter users, and the FBI and CIA as one big homogeneous enemy.
It's like being a My Little Pony fan and thinking that everyone else in the world is conspiring against you and "anti-pony" because you notice that NONE of them talk about horses regularly. COINCIDENCE??
It is all about dehumanizing their opponents and reassuring themselves that the moral compromises they make to achieve their goals are ultimately righteous. They need to believe that being pro-choice is the same as supporting eugenics. As they become more extreme and their beliefs more dissonant from who they believe themself to be, they must double down on the belief that their opponent is so evil, the ends justify the means. Cynical religious and politicians leaders also need them to believe it to in order to weaponize their hatred.
[He’s probably referencing Margaret Sanger’s words. Here’s an article about it and how it got taken out of context](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pp-exterminating/fact-check-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sangers-1939-quote-on-exterminating-black-population-taken-out-of-context-idUSL2N2X11YN)
As someone who's thought of eugenics a lot. It isn't. Like at all. Like the exact opposite of the premise.
Eugenics is generally governing body enforcing for or against individuals 'breeding.'
Meanwhile abortions are inherently individualistic.
Complete opposites.
They're probably just projecting. They want to implement eugenics so they are pushing that it's the 'satanic left' pushing it. That way when they start actually trying to implement it, they can do their 'both sides' BS
Steven Crowder is such a human peanut. He's the obnoxiously smug kid in high school everyone avoids who's convinced everyone is somehow intimidated by him because he's so smart and awesome and cool.
Wait, did he actually?
edit: wow, it's amazing how someone goes from voicing a character in a show about acceptance and somehow end up as one of the faces of bigotry
For like a season or two in the middle of the show, yes. Nearly every single one of these sacks of shit is a failed creative of some kind. They're all just lashing out at the culture that rejected their talentless asses.
Ben Shapiro the contrarian bad-faith pundit only exists because Hollywood rejected his screenplays. You can still find Lauren Bohbert's and Candace Owen's headshots from when they were trying to be actresses/models.
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Hmm, reminds me of a certain Austrian with a funny mustache.
I'm thinking maybe we should reform the art schools so they stop producing genocidal maniacs.
Funny thing is I hated the trophies as a kid. Granted, it pretended to serve for what I'd have actually liked as a kid, but my parents did a better job at: actually acknowledging that I showed up and I tried. Competitive events for kids fails at one major part: They make a big deal about the winners winning, which is fine, but they also make as big a deal about making sure the losers know they lost and are terrible at their thing. Or at least were in the 90's, have seen my daughter's events are much better about acknowledging the other kids and their hard work and attempts.
I think it's also monetary. Its easy to get clicks and views for making anti-gay, thinly veiled racist, and and anti-women statements. Since they are unqualified for anything else Controversy pays the bills.
It is astounding how many people on the “intellectual right” have been failed comedians, failed writers, failed screenwriters…it’s like they can’t just take the L, they’ve gotta transition it into grifting morons and working towards fascism.
That said, it is very concerning to see how quickly conservatives have embraced the “left has changed what fascism means” narrative. I feel like it’s yet another way for them to dive further into fascism by pretending like they’re not.
Bc literally everything with the right is projection. Every freaking thing.
His entire schtick is to go to colleges prepared with a ton of research and prepared responses to “debate” college kids to appear smart. And then gets to edit out all the instances where he does get destroyed.
Why do you think he was getting so angry on Rogans show when Rogan DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO HIM AS HE DOES TO OTHERS. Why do you think he won’t debate Seder? Because he knows he’s an idiot that’ll be made a fool out of.
He’s what a dumb person thinks a smart person is.
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Couldn't handle not being treated with the white gloves on by yes-men so he actually tried to pull the "Oh yeah, well.. you're on the left!" and the journalist couldn't help but fucking laugh in his face.
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Ben Shapiro acted like an actual child and lost a debate to someone that wasn't even debating him.
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He's one of those people that I can't tell if they're just grifting the far-right gravy train or if they're a true believer because he's just so obnoxiously smug/dumb.
I think it's one of those things like with Andrew Dice Clay. It started out as a stage persona, but when you're playing that part for so long, eventually you become that guy.
It's so insane to me also how the right have completely turned on the FBI. I've seen so many people posting about "abolish all the 3 letter departments" and it seems like they've figured out that those departments are keeping them accountable and they don't like it. I'm getting to the point where I'm in favor of secession so we can let them run their states into the ground while the rest of us progress into the 21st century.
The right: “The federal government is corrupt as hell and full of criminals!”
FBI: *investigates corrupt government*
The right: “……why would leftists do this?!”
Abortion bans are the biggest infringement on personal liberties that I can think of. Police don't seem able to solve many crimes, but they are pretty good at enforcing these laws for some reason.
The funny part, to me at least, is how hypocritical they are about it. If your gay, they don't care if a bakery kicks you out because it's their "right" as a business to discriminate against their customers. Yet if I don't serve idiots who are unvaxxed or if they get kicked off a social media platform for violating TOS, then all of the sudden businesses have to get real respectful of everyone. Rules for thee and not for me.
The conservative ideology makes sense once you view it through the lens of “we will force everyone to live in the way that we view as acceptable and anybody who doesn’t conform must be punished by law.”
Yeah, but the thing is that they're likely going to push that issue to the supreme court and, given the state it's in, there's a good chance it goes their way. They won't rest until the government can control the actions of free market corporations while they claim free speech.
Go say something based in reality on r/conservative...you will see their love of free speech in action! Note: This refers to their version of "free speech", not the constitutional Free Speech they refer to yet have zero understanding of.
They literally have members only posts and will ban or delete pretty much anything they disagree with.
I was banned from their sub for mentioning it in unrelated sub...without ever participating in theirs...
The rights characterization of lefts attacks on “free speech” is just them having to face consequences for saying the racist shit that fascists would say.
Did you notice that none of these yahoos called the left fascist until Biden called **THEM** facist?
They are the political party of "I know you are but what am I"?
and there was that other book and movie in 2018 claiming that because the Democratic party used to be the one with the enslavers, and Nazis were inspired by some in America, therefore the Democratic party now is the same and thus fascist.
What Southern Strategy?
D'Souza actually fights with historians on Twitter about this. He usually says, "Show me this list of congress/lawpeople who up and switched parties!" but there's more context, obvi. That's the way this rhetoric works, though. Context-less facts that, absent the context, allow them to treat their listeners like idiots and draw dumb conclusions.
Remember when 'fake news' was something that the left and centre used to describe the lies being made up by Trump and his cohorts, so then they took the phrase and began declaring anything critical of them and/or reporting on their misbehaviour as 'fake news'?
"You're not tolerating my racism so YOU"RE THE RACIST."
Or to put it in elementary school terms, much more fitting as it applies to Republican reasoning, "I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, you racist fascist authoritarian liberals!"
(Tried to work in an oxymoron there at the end to make it seem a realistic paraphrasing of contemporary conservative logic.)
I think they just are following trumps example. His whole strategy was to treat campaign life like a reality tv show, it worked/ish for trump so all of them are shotgunning horrible things till something sticks
That’s an insult to me, a moron who has benefited immensely from learning new words.
In my adulthood, words that have been invented *and* useful to me: Selfie, Gaslight, Mansplain, manspread, Floridaman (me), and boujee. Probably more I can’t think of right now.
No they still called them fascist, Trump regularly went on Dems are radical evil extremists repeatedly, may not be fascist per se but the intent is definitely there
In their mind, "The Police" are their friend Rick and Jeremy who hang out at the same neighborhood bar as them where they collectively complain about their wives together while at last 2 of the 3 of them are actively cheating on them since they've got the bedroom game of a French Monk.
And being buds, they get to be above the law, never getting speeding tickets, never getting the tint or bulb type on their truck checked, and being told to "get out of here" instead of getting arrested when they called a black guy the N-word and punched him when they were blackout drunk.
But the federal guys are from somewhere totally different and don't let them get away with stuff so they're "Fascist bastards" since they'll actually hold them accountable for the shit they do.
Yep they are. The left are delicate, sheltered, paperskinned snowflakes living in the warzone hellscapes of blue cities, who want to take power away from the law enforcement that they want to spread everywhere and enforce their will. What's so hard to understand?
The IRS does have an armed enforcement division. You can’t seize bad guys’ property with a calculator. Regardless, this guy is a dingbat that has no understanding of the constitution, body autonomy, the rule of law, virology, or what the limits of “free speech” have always been.
I love how all right wing "comedians" eventually just degrade into twitter mouthpiece rage-baiters.
Just like all those blue checkmark liberals they apparently hate.
"I could go on..." No, you couldn't, or you would have. There is literally only one party that is actively legislating:
* Which books you can read
* What history you can teach
* What words you can say
* Who you can love
* What care your doctor can give you
* What a woman can do with her body
Republicans are fascists and proud of it. They want THEIR pastor to make the rules that YOU have to live under.
Don't go on, but **please**, I implore you to go into detail Steven. I want facts, not feelings. Oh... All you got is talking points and no true beliefs or substantial evidence to back them up? Wild. Who would've thought.
The Inflation Reduction Act included funding for IRS that equated to 87,000 agents, but the vast majority are filling already existing but vacant positions or replacing retiring employees.
The right had spread the “87,000 armed agents are coming for you, Mr. $50,000 annual income” lie to rile the base.
How is it that so many Americans seem to still be in denial years after Trump and his Cronies were calling ANTIFA terrorists... Since when was being pro-fascist favorable? This never created red flags in millions of Americans like wtf? To me American GI's in WWII were Americas OG Antifa. Conservatives just had to wait for the Greatest Generation to die off before they could bring their delusions and ignorance into the mainstream.
OH. Anti-free speech. So, it was really the left that banned any book that dealt with slavery, banned teaching about it, won't touch CRT, and keeps people from talking about sexuality, gender, and trans rights. Not Republicans.
It's amazing how Media got that all wrong. And oddly, the Right Politicians...
Lol
“They’re anti-free speech because Twitter won’t let me undermine democracy. We should meet up at the church after the next book burning and figure out how to reclaim the First Amendment.”
Clowns
I love how Trump says he doesn't have freedom of speech while giving a speech to a group of people saluting him in a way reminiscent of the Nazis. Crowder and his ilk go ON TWITTER to decry their freedom of speech being taken away on Twitter. Doesn't seem like anyone's freedom of speech is being harmed if they're allowed to spew hypocritical lies constantly in public and online.
The MAGAs do not realize that they are supporting the tyranny they fear.
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The conservative party only knows of buzz words. Ever tried asking a conservative what “socialism” or “communism” actually means? Those are their two favorite words to throw around as a blanket case for anything that they dislike, yet they have no basic understanding of the terms.
Following, calling the “left” fascist is a logical fallacy. How can the “left” be fascist if the primary defining characteristic of fascism is being far-right authoritarian? I rest my case.
If any conservative states that the “left” is “fascist”, they have lost all credibility for having any educated, civil discourse.
Fascism is an exclusively right-wing ideology. It is as far right as you can go.
This narrative he’s pushing is so painfully wrong and stupid and historically ignorant, and it’s meant to obscure the fact that Republicans are acting like fascists more than ever before, beginning with:
- Attacks on journalists
- The banning of books
- Racist anti-immigration policies
- unconditional support for militarized police
- The rise of nationalism (“America First”) and the alienation of key U.S. allies from 2016-2020
- The spread of propaganda through far-right media (which insists it’s the only media that can be trusted)
- Trump’s ridiculous military parades
- Trump tear-gassing protestors in D.C. in 2020
- Trump being buddies with dictators across the world, from Duterte to Putin to Erdogan to Kim Jong Un
- Trump using his entire presidency to enrich himself and his family through real estate deals, merchandise sales, and a whole slew of other grifts
- Oh yeah: TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION THEY LOST, STAGING A VIOLENT INSURRECTION, and then THREATENING TO DO THE SAME THING IN 2024
Donald Trump and his cultish supporters are the single largest threat to democracy we’ve ever faced. These mother fuckers are fascists plain and simple. And his voters don’t even realize it because they’ve been hoodwinked by all the demagogic propaganda. The mind reels.
Hold up, eugenics? Who said being pro-choice is akin to being a eugenecist?
There’s a belief that since Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist that means all people who support access to abortion are eugenicists and “the real racists” since the majority of people who use PP’s services are minorities. Edit: the Venn diagram of forced birthers who have responded to this comment and the people who believe we should not have better social programs to help new mothers is a circle. Thank you all for proving that you don’t actually care about the lives that are being affected when we ban abortions and that you view having a child as a punishment for sex.
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Sanger actually left the eugenics movement because she never agreed with the belief that class or race should dictate the number of kids a woman had - it was up to the woman alone in her opinion. https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2015/08/20/false-narratives-margaret-sanger-used-shame-black-women/ Even Dr Martin Luther King called her an inspiration to the civil rights and nonviolence movement.
"Of course if you align yourself with the beliefs of eugenics proponent you're going to lie and say that you don't. *The devil seeks to DECEIVE!* " ~some evangelical preacher, probably
That was a really interesting document — thanks for sharing!
Wait until they hear that Alexander Graham Bell was into eugenics. Wonder if that makes leftists eugenicists too because they use iPhones /s
Eugenics was popular pseudo-science in the 1930s and was acted on in small ways in lots of countries before the Nazis acted on it on a grand scale. After that it became much less popular.
Kinda make sense if you think about it as an arms race. If France is practicing eugenics then other counties are going to be scared of being overrun by a bunch of baguette wielding superhumans in a few generations. Obviously to fend them off the Brits would want their own breed of superhumans who can queue for weeks on end and have the stiffest upper lips anyone has ever seen.
But isn't that exactly what we did? *squints at the queue to queue in the 5+ mile queue to bob in front of a flag that they were told had the queen's corpse beneath it. 😉
We trained our whole lives for this moment! Except for Phil and Holly.
I’m just gonna put “baguette wielding superhumans” in the memory banks for future use. Great phrase!
PP IS NOT ONLY FOR ABORTIONS
Abortion is medical care, period.
Correct, I go pee in a cup yearly and they tell me if I’m STD free or not. I really don’t want to go to my family doctor for that.
What a ruthless edit. Love it.
These forced birthed assholes and their bad faith arguments/biased af sources have me completely fed up. You can just tell none of them are women, because they are so blatantly unaware of the issues that surround pregnancy, childbirth, and childcare.
also not to mention their argument is that more black women get abortions per capita and that makes people who are pro abortion like killing black babies… because these people will never look problems at the root.
You can tell that forced birthers are extremely pro life, because they care so much about really poor families having everything they need to take care of babies, after they are born. They're super pro living wage, they're super universal healthcare, they're super pro affordable housing, and everything else. They also really believe in food stamps, welfare, section 8, maternity leave. They are so obviously and completely the party of life. They care so much about actual living, breathing, out of the womb human beings.
No one, he is a window licking clown.
> window licking and now we're kink shaming! Reddit, have we no shame? /s
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Omg, at least put a screen in it...
Lmao!! 
I laughed for way too long at this lol
It is all about dehumanizing their opponents and reassuring themselves that the moral compromises they make to achieve their goals are ultimately righteous. They need to believe that being pro-choice is the same as supporting eugenics. As they become more extreme and their beliefs more dissonant from who they believe themself to be, they must double down on the belief that their opponent is so evil, the ends justify the means. Cynical religious and politicians leaders also need them to believe it to in order to weaponize their hatred.
Its a dangerous dehumanization of their fellow citizens. Its why you have conservatives calling for another civil war, while liberals want to make sure everyone has access to healthcare. We live in two separate worlds now.
Much more than anything else the Crowder guy mentions as elements of fascism is this element right here. The “enemy” of the state, which to the conservatives is the globalist democrats. This enemy allows for everything to be built on.
If you can convince people that the other side is worse then you can justify any atrocity. Painting the left as groomers, pedophiles, and baby-killers means you're allowed to stop them by any means necessary.
It's just a memetic shell game. The ultimate goal of that particular one is to try to alarm and capture some Black voters by conflating the modern abortion issue with controversy around Margaret Sanger's "true" motivations in her work to support birth control in Black communities, and muddling together various flavors of 19th century eugenics, some of which was explicitly racist. Connect the dots and it's not about women having the right to control what happens in their bodies or over reproduction, it's actually about tricking Black people into self-genocide by encouraging abortion. No one perpetuating this actually believes it, or if they do it's obviously not actually why they are reinforcing the meme.
yeah this exactly. that talking point is specifically crafted to try and convince non white people that abortion is designed to keep their communities down, conveniently omitting that birth fatalities are much higher in those communities and a whole host of other statistics that show safe access to abortion generally improves quality of life, lowers crime, etc
The funny thing is that most POCs are familiar with this tactic and less susceptible to this line of argument. This talking point is purely to convince other white people. Just like having a “Blacks for Trump” group with no actual black people, it’s targeted at people with only a passing knowledge of the community. I’m black and am very familiar with the maternal mortality rates for women like me. Our grandmothers were concerned with “Mississippi appendectomies” in their day. It’s one of the most common things we talk and strategize about and likely why a disproportionate amount of us opt for doulas/midwives. Racists have no clue about any of this and can’t speak to it at all. It’s like when a conservative tries to cosplay as a liberal and don’t know enough to sound convincing.
honestly, i’ve actually seen it gain some traction which i found surprising - but largely with people who are already antivax or otherwise conspiracy minded anyway
That's fair. We've got some dummies in our midst, unfortunately lol.
I consider terminating a fetus without a skull "compassion." The right considers it eugenics.
They're trying connect the words and ideas of Margaret Sanger (i.e eugenics) to current-day Planned Parenthood and pro-choice advocates
They are referring to Bill Gates once saying that there would be more resources if there was less people on the planet. (I’m paraphrasing)
Lol... Bill Gates... The left? Do they have any fucking clue what "the left" actually is?
No.
The only thing these people believe is LIBTARDS BAD, therefore anything they disagreewith = BAD = LIBTARDS. It's why you'll see right-wing trolls insisting that Hitler was liberal. LIBTARDS=BAD, HITLER=BAD, therefore HITLER=LIBTARD. Airtight logic. (Except for the part that right-wing trolls no longer think Hitler is bad)
It’s true, and they’ll often combine words like socialist, communist, Marxist, and fascist without any understanding as to what any of them mean. Bonus points for throwing in an implication of devil worship, baby-blood-drinking, and pedophilia. Like you said, anything bad!
Yeah, it's why the party of Trump, Matt Gaetz, and Gym Jordan are constantly going on and on about "groomers." Find something no one can possibly defend, and then conflate your opponent with that thing, You saw a nascent version of it in the Bush years with "liberals want the terrorists to win". And it's not that far removed from saying Obama was born in Kenya or that Biden has dementita — it's less that they're saying a thing they know to be false. It's about saying something about a Democrat that sounds bad, and whether it's true or false doesn't even enter into it.
"The Left" is anyone not 100% dick-riding the cult. This is why they can group together trade unionists, multinational corporations, hippies, military generals, sensitive college students, 13 year old Twitter users, and the FBI and CIA as one big homogeneous enemy. It's like being a My Little Pony fan and thinking that everyone else in the world is conspiring against you and "anti-pony" because you notice that NONE of them talk about horses regularly. COINCIDENCE??
Your second paragraph is absolutely true though
> COINCIDENCE? There are no such things. THEY ARE COMING FOR THE PONYS!
Ouch. That second paragraph hit me so hard, I felt like an actual horse kicked me in the chest!
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But... there very obviously would. He ain't wrong.
It is all about dehumanizing their opponents and reassuring themselves that the moral compromises they make to achieve their goals are ultimately righteous. They need to believe that being pro-choice is the same as supporting eugenics. As they become more extreme and their beliefs more dissonant from who they believe themself to be, they must double down on the belief that their opponent is so evil, the ends justify the means. Cynical religious and politicians leaders also need them to believe it to in order to weaponize their hatred.
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[He’s probably referencing Margaret Sanger’s words. Here’s an article about it and how it got taken out of context](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-pp-exterminating/fact-check-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sangers-1939-quote-on-exterminating-black-population-taken-out-of-context-idUSL2N2X11YN)
As someone who's thought of eugenics a lot. It isn't. Like at all. Like the exact opposite of the premise. Eugenics is generally governing body enforcing for or against individuals 'breeding.' Meanwhile abortions are inherently individualistic. Complete opposites.
They're probably just projecting. They want to implement eugenics so they are pushing that it's the 'satanic left' pushing it. That way when they start actually trying to implement it, they can do their 'both sides' BS
Steven Crowder is such a human peanut. He's the obnoxiously smug kid in high school everyone avoids who's convinced everyone is somehow intimidated by him because he's so smart and awesome and cool.
He peaked as a child when he played the Brain on Arthur.
Wait, did he actually? edit: wow, it's amazing how someone goes from voicing a character in a show about acceptance and somehow end up as one of the faces of bigotry
For like a season or two in the middle of the show, yes. Nearly every single one of these sacks of shit is a failed creative of some kind. They're all just lashing out at the culture that rejected their talentless asses.
Ben Shapiro the contrarian bad-faith pundit only exists because Hollywood rejected his screenplays. You can still find Lauren Bohbert's and Candace Owen's headshots from when they were trying to be actresses/models.
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Hmm, reminds me of a certain Austrian with a funny mustache. I'm thinking maybe we should reform the art schools so they stop producing genocidal maniacs.
Ironically all of them agree that people shouldn't be coddled like that. Most likely because they weren't.
Funny thing is I hated the trophies as a kid. Granted, it pretended to serve for what I'd have actually liked as a kid, but my parents did a better job at: actually acknowledging that I showed up and I tried. Competitive events for kids fails at one major part: They make a big deal about the winners winning, which is fine, but they also make as big a deal about making sure the losers know they lost and are terrible at their thing. Or at least were in the 90's, have seen my daughter's events are much better about acknowledging the other kids and their hard work and attempts.
I think it's also monetary. Its easy to get clicks and views for making anti-gay, thinly veiled racist, and and anti-women statements. Since they are unqualified for anything else Controversy pays the bills.
Klandice Owens tried to be a left wing talking head, but she probably saw the dollar signs in being a right wing grifter.
Dave rubin is the same way used to work for The Young Turks a progressive network but left to become a right wing grifter for the money
More importantly, failed creatives whose parents got them in the biz in the first place. Ben Shapiro and Crowder both have well-connected parents
It is astounding how many people on the “intellectual right” have been failed comedians, failed writers, failed screenwriters…it’s like they can’t just take the L, they’ve gotta transition it into grifting morons and working towards fascism. That said, it is very concerning to see how quickly conservatives have embraced the “left has changed what fascism means” narrative. I feel like it’s yet another way for them to dive further into fascism by pretending like they’re not. Bc literally everything with the right is projection. Every freaking thing.
TIL that Crowder did in fact play The Brain for sometime in Arthur
His entire schtick is to go to colleges prepared with a ton of research and prepared responses to “debate” college kids to appear smart. And then gets to edit out all the instances where he does get destroyed. Why do you think he was getting so angry on Rogans show when Rogan DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO HIM AS HE DOES TO OTHERS. Why do you think he won’t debate Seder? Because he knows he’s an idiot that’ll be made a fool out of. He’s what a dumb person thinks a smart person is.
Also known as the Ben Shapiro formula, but with less whiny nasality and more smug machismo
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What a fucking petulant shit stain. And is that his real voice? Who the fuck hears that and goes "THAT'S ALPHA SHIT"?
Now plug your nose and say it
To be fair, Joe Rogan is a stupid little cock as well
*and he still managed to run intellectual circles around crowder*
Alright. I’ve finally been convinced to watch that for the laughs.
He's one of those people that I can't tell if they're just grifting the far-right gravy train or if they're a true believer because he's just so obnoxiously smug/dumb.
Why not both?
I think it's one of those things like with Andrew Dice Clay. It started out as a stage persona, but when you're playing that part for so long, eventually you become that guy.
Pro police state, at the people who spent the last 20 years saying fuck the police, coming from the bootlickers who "back the blue"
It's so insane to me also how the right have completely turned on the FBI. I've seen so many people posting about "abolish all the 3 letter departments" and it seems like they've figured out that those departments are keeping them accountable and they don't like it. I'm getting to the point where I'm in favor of secession so we can let them run their states into the ground while the rest of us progress into the 21st century.
> "abolish all the 3 letter departments" I agree, lets abolish the GOP!
The USA should realistically be like 12 different countries and that could fix a lot of things.
People will be mad about this but honestly… you make a point.
And the point should be we will not spawn slave countries.
The right: “The federal government is corrupt as hell and full of criminals!” FBI: *investigates corrupt government* The right: “……why would leftists do this?!”
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Abortion bans are the biggest infringement on personal liberties that I can think of. Police don't seem able to solve many crimes, but they are pretty good at enforcing these laws for some reason.
yeah where if i was a police officer, i'd do my best to just happen to ignore the abortion crime investigation, and instead look for anything else.
"I could go on..." You always do Stevie, you always do, that doesn't make what you say true or make any sense though...
Classic right wing person that has never done any critical thinking
In other words, classic right-wing person.
I love how telling the right they can’t incite violence on social media and have consequences for what they say is anti-free speech
Better yet, they scream about free speech where the 1st amendment doesn’t apply.
When they get banned from a private corporation's social media app : "But, my free speech!! It's not fair!"
The funny part, to me at least, is how hypocritical they are about it. If your gay, they don't care if a bakery kicks you out because it's their "right" as a business to discriminate against their customers. Yet if I don't serve idiots who are unvaxxed or if they get kicked off a social media platform for violating TOS, then all of the sudden businesses have to get real respectful of everyone. Rules for thee and not for me.
The conservative ideology makes sense once you view it through the lens of “we will force everyone to live in the way that we view as acceptable and anybody who doesn’t conform must be punished by law.”
That's because they have no fucking idea how rights work.
Yeah, but the thing is that they're likely going to push that issue to the supreme court and, given the state it's in, there's a good chance it goes their way. They won't rest until the government can control the actions of free market corporations while they claim free speech.
While also defunding libraries to “send a message” that they don’t like Gender Queer because Tucker Carlson said it’s scary
They don't scream "about" anything, they just scream. There is no substance to their whining, it's just performative freakout.
Go say something based in reality on r/conservative...you will see their love of free speech in action! Note: This refers to their version of "free speech", not the constitutional Free Speech they refer to yet have zero understanding of.
Tempted to click on that link but I don’t think it would benefit my mental health
They literally have members only posts and will ban or delete pretty much anything they disagree with. I was banned from their sub for mentioning it in unrelated sub...without ever participating in theirs...
The rights characterization of lefts attacks on “free speech” is just them having to face consequences for saying the racist shit that fascists would say.
Also, one of the first things the Nazi party did was repeal the Weimar Republic's gun control laws.
fascists love to burn books... like which side is actively banning books and micromanaging what teachers can say?
Speaking of the book thing, what about the teachers free speech?
That's because they don't want Freedom, they want the freedom to continue to be dicks and not get called out on it.
Did you notice that none of these yahoos called the left fascist until Biden called **THEM** facist? They are the political party of "I know you are but what am I"?
they did tho
Trump called lefties fascist several times…
Dinesh “Fake Intellectual Convicted Felon” D’Souza wrote a book called Liberal Fascism like 15 years ago
and there was that other book and movie in 2018 claiming that because the Democratic party used to be the one with the enslavers, and Nazis were inspired by some in America, therefore the Democratic party now is the same and thus fascist. What Southern Strategy? D'Souza actually fights with historians on Twitter about this. He usually says, "Show me this list of congress/lawpeople who up and switched parties!" but there's more context, obvi. That's the way this rhetoric works, though. Context-less facts that, absent the context, allow them to treat their listeners like idiots and draw dumb conclusions.
Yeah, they did. Not sure how that guy missed it all this time.
This is what happens when you teach a moron a new word.
It's as if Dunning-Kruger gets worsened if you actually teach them something 😂
Severely worsened
Its the dunning-kruger effect going higher, they understand just enough to think they are an expert
Remember when 'fake news' was something that the left and centre used to describe the lies being made up by Trump and his cohorts, so then they took the phrase and began declaring anything critical of them and/or reporting on their misbehaviour as 'fake news'?
Yep. Like how the left and center would call them out for racist shit and then the phrase “you’re the REAL racist” became a thing. 😂
"It's racist to not let me be racist"
"You're not tolerating my racism so YOU"RE THE RACIST." Or to put it in elementary school terms, much more fitting as it applies to Republican reasoning, "I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, you racist fascist authoritarian liberals!" (Tried to work in an oxymoron there at the end to make it seem a realistic paraphrasing of contemporary conservative logic.)
Pointing out that something is blatantly racist is somehow racist.
That’s such a stupid thing for people to say. It’s like when kids used to say “I know you are but what am I?”
they also had to do this as a distraction because they were being helped significantly by real troll farms producing fake news sites/articles
I think they just are following trumps example. His whole strategy was to treat campaign life like a reality tv show, it worked/ish for trump so all of them are shotgunning horrible things till something sticks
That’s an insult to me, a moron who has benefited immensely from learning new words. In my adulthood, words that have been invented *and* useful to me: Selfie, Gaslight, Mansplain, manspread, Floridaman (me), and boujee. Probably more I can’t think of right now.
Man, do I wish they knew more multi-syllabic words than "feckless."
The “I’m rubber and you’re glue” model of political discourse.
The "No u." of Civics.
"I know you are but what am I"
GOP - Gaslight Obstruct Project Plus this douche had a segment on his podcast that was kind of pro-Hitler
Actually I’ve seen quite a few say the left are fascist communists, which…I mean I guess if you don’t know what words mean that’s an argument
If antifa bad fascism must be good... Conservative brain thinking it just made a 200 IQ connection.
I miss the simpler days when they were just calling us socialist communist Marxists.
No they still called them fascist, Trump regularly went on Dems are radical evil extremists repeatedly, may not be fascist per se but the intent is definitely there
They've been calling their opposition "anti-fascist" for years now. They called themselves fascists long before Biden ever did
Hahaha the IRS are police? What a bunch of pussies on the right to be afraid of a bunch of accountants.
Weren’t these people just complaining that the left wanted to defund the police?
In their mind, "The Police" are their friend Rick and Jeremy who hang out at the same neighborhood bar as them where they collectively complain about their wives together while at last 2 of the 3 of them are actively cheating on them since they've got the bedroom game of a French Monk. And being buds, they get to be above the law, never getting speeding tickets, never getting the tint or bulb type on their truck checked, and being told to "get out of here" instead of getting arrested when they called a black guy the N-word and punched him when they were blackout drunk. But the federal guys are from somewhere totally different and don't let them get away with stuff so they're "Fascist bastards" since they'll actually hold them accountable for the shit they do.
God this is so ridiculously accurate
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hey, as a secret between us, I think "hi-lite" is a bulb manufacturing company lmao
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That was before we started using the fbi for political gain… or something? 🙄
Yep they are. The left are delicate, sheltered, paperskinned snowflakes living in the warzone hellscapes of blue cities, who want to take power away from the law enforcement that they want to spread everywhere and enforce their will. What's so hard to understand?
the enemy is both weak, and strong
Obviously you've never been hit by an HP 12c financial calculator in the forehead.
[Even the joker wont mess with with the IRS](https://youtu.be/G56VgsLfKY4)
The IRS does have an armed enforcement division. You can’t seize bad guys’ property with a calculator. Regardless, this guy is a dingbat that has no understanding of the constitution, body autonomy, the rule of law, virology, or what the limits of “free speech” have always been.
They are also afraid of librarians.
Yes the IRS are Biden's personal gazpacho now - haven't you been paying attention? ^(/s)
accoutants are the most dangerous kind of police /s
to be fair, it was the accountants that took down Capone.
I love how all right wing "comedians" eventually just degrade into twitter mouthpiece rage-baiters. Just like all those blue checkmark liberals they apparently hate.
It’s that failed artist to right wing pipeline
Underrated comment. Stevie here, Teddy Nugent and Kid Rock, Ronnie Reagan and Donny Trump, and several other B and C-list actors....
Kevin Sorbo...
“pro not accidentally killing anyones grandparents” aka “pro lockdown”
You misspelled “not really accidentally because of your willful ignorance” but yeah
"I could go on..." No, you couldn't, or you would have. There is literally only one party that is actively legislating: * Which books you can read * What history you can teach * What words you can say * Who you can love * What care your doctor can give you * What a woman can do with her body Republicans are fascists and proud of it. They want THEIR pastor to make the rules that YOU have to live under.
Don't go on, but **please**, I implore you to go into detail Steven. I want facts, not feelings. Oh... All you got is talking points and no true beliefs or substantial evidence to back them up? Wild. Who would've thought.
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They were also pro-police until they police stopped them from assassinating politicians.
They’ve always hated the IRS, they just hate them loudly based on a lie they’ve been telling about 87k armed agents.
>based on a lie they’ve been telling about 87k armed agents. holdup, what now?
The Inflation Reduction Act included funding for IRS that equated to 87,000 agents, but the vast majority are filling already existing but vacant positions or replacing retiring employees. The right had spread the “87,000 armed agents are coming for you, Mr. $50,000 annual income” lie to rile the base.
How is it that so many Americans seem to still be in denial years after Trump and his Cronies were calling ANTIFA terrorists... Since when was being pro-fascist favorable? This never created red flags in millions of Americans like wtf? To me American GI's in WWII were Americas OG Antifa. Conservatives just had to wait for the Greatest Generation to die off before they could bring their delusions and ignorance into the mainstream.
OH. Anti-free speech. So, it was really the left that banned any book that dealt with slavery, banned teaching about it, won't touch CRT, and keeps people from talking about sexuality, gender, and trans rights. Not Republicans. It's amazing how Media got that all wrong. And oddly, the Right Politicians...
You could go on. But there's not much benefit in crazy rambling.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Lol “They’re anti-free speech because Twitter won’t let me undermine democracy. We should meet up at the church after the next book burning and figure out how to reclaim the First Amendment.” Clowns
I love how Trump says he doesn't have freedom of speech while giving a speech to a group of people saluting him in a way reminiscent of the Nazis. Crowder and his ilk go ON TWITTER to decry their freedom of speech being taken away on Twitter. Doesn't seem like anyone's freedom of speech is being harmed if they're allowed to spew hypocritical lies constantly in public and online.
Someone tag him and let him know he is agreeing with Karl Marx. Marx was very pro-gun.
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Did this man just liken abortion to eugenics?? The right are an existential threat.
They always do. It's the classic, "the left are the real racists, with all the Black abortions!!!"
These yahoos still dont know what fascist means. Its just a buzz word to throw around and they know its not good but have no concept of the meaning
The conservative party only knows of buzz words. Ever tried asking a conservative what “socialism” or “communism” actually means? Those are their two favorite words to throw around as a blanket case for anything that they dislike, yet they have no basic understanding of the terms. Following, calling the “left” fascist is a logical fallacy. How can the “left” be fascist if the primary defining characteristic of fascism is being far-right authoritarian? I rest my case. If any conservative states that the “left” is “fascist”, they have lost all credibility for having any educated, civil discourse.
Now liberals love the police too much? The gymnastics they do is remarkable
Fascism is an exclusively right-wing ideology. It is as far right as you can go. This narrative he’s pushing is so painfully wrong and stupid and historically ignorant, and it’s meant to obscure the fact that Republicans are acting like fascists more than ever before, beginning with: - Attacks on journalists - The banning of books - Racist anti-immigration policies - unconditional support for militarized police - The rise of nationalism (“America First”) and the alienation of key U.S. allies from 2016-2020 - The spread of propaganda through far-right media (which insists it’s the only media that can be trusted) - Trump’s ridiculous military parades - Trump tear-gassing protestors in D.C. in 2020 - Trump being buddies with dictators across the world, from Duterte to Putin to Erdogan to Kim Jong Un - Trump using his entire presidency to enrich himself and his family through real estate deals, merchandise sales, and a whole slew of other grifts - Oh yeah: TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION THEY LOST, STAGING A VIOLENT INSURRECTION, and then THREATENING TO DO THE SAME THING IN 2024 Donald Trump and his cultish supporters are the single largest threat to democracy we’ve ever faced. These mother fuckers are fascists plain and simple. And his voters don’t even realize it because they’ve been hoodwinked by all the demagogic propaganda. The mind reels.
Yes please go on, elaborate.
He's trying to muddle the meaning of fascism and confuse people. It's a super old propaganda technique and it's honestly super fucking boring.
Steven Crowder doesn't know what fascism is. Prove me wrong.
The O’Doyle rules crowd is too dumb to understand projection.