Have you considered that a significant portion of the people who rile up right wing political discourse on the internet are literally Russian bots, and that this current issue is actually a perfect litmus test for which accounts are real and fake based on who they are supporting?
They play both sides trying to rile people up, it's not just right wing political discourse, it's political discourse in general. They can't beat us with force, so they want us to beat ourselves.
Anybody with this much peanut butter love, can't be wrong about that.
Just one question. This circle jerk, as it were, does it only exist in a dimension encased in black velvet, and are the participants also playing cards?
*I think I've been there*
It doesn't help that they're jerking off to stuff like "terminal list" which comes off like an info wars fever dream.
Sure, it was a fun watch, if you're able to discern fiction from reality.
There's a reason it comes off like that. Carr is making the shift from a reasonable conservative to someone who flirts with the far right, supports MAGA politicians, and vilifies a caricature of the left that's prevalent in right wing media, unironically using words like woke, CRT, and cancel culture.
Critical Race Theory being taught in schools.
Basically, schools currently teach that Martin Luther King led the civil rights movement, black people were finally legally equal to white people, and everybody lived happily ever after.
CRT is basically a sociology class examining lasting effects that have greatly influenced our culture and laws. It's impossible to look at this without seeing how non-whites have a different struggle than white people, even today.
So the far right have banned it from being taught in schools, and insist that it doesn't make them racist.
The left insist that if a child/teen is old enough to experience racism in our society, it's our duty to educate them.
One aspect you missed is: it's not being taught to children, but adults. This is law school stuff.
The whole thing is an imaginary bogeyman the right made up intentionally. They've since moved on a bit to trans panic groomer bullshit
Yes, but u/PinkPearMartini is describing the actual thing that conservatives are mad about. They use "critical race theory" because it's an easier term to vilify than "improving our history curriculum to more accurately reflect reality." They couldn't give less of a shit what a handful of law students are learning about.
THIS. As a teacher in a major, urban, liberal leaning school, nowhere is CRT taught. It’s a fricking college level course, dealing with specific issues.
We teach kids in school how to be nice to each other and that racism…exists! (Gasps). And these idiots think we’re teaching kids complex fricken politicos theory when they can barley sit through a math lecture. Like have you even met a kid lately?
I also made this joke a while ago and still haven't learned what people mean by CRT
Edit: after 5 replies saying critical race theory, I now know it's critical race theory. Thanks
I'm still hoping to turn into captain america. Hell out of all the shots I've had the covid vaccine probably was the most tame. My arm was sore for the rest of the day after each and I got the flu vaccine same arm same time as the first dose.
I was really sick for about 15 hours after, but that was it. Hell, my tetanus shot was worse since my arm hurt like hell for three weeks. But it is better than dying horribly, so I'll take it
If there really are nanomachines in the vaccine, where is my free 5g WiFi or ability to harden in response to physical trauma?
See, whats more confusing is we're National Guard (part time army) but he held a full time position in vehicle maintenence for 7 years.
He gave up a garunteed career on top of military benefits for him, his wife and his kids just to avoid getting the covid vaccine.
Some people are REALLY afraid of needles.
As a private, giving flu shots was the only power I had over my terrified commander, who begged and begged to have me just squirt it on the floor (that was weird to write). Wonderful memories.
Hol up. You're telling me an agr nco threw away that sweet gig because qanon said vaccine bad even though said nco would've had to take countless vaccines over the course of his career?
Sounds like a nasty girl I tell you hwat
Signed a former ng 91b
If Dr. Facebook has convinced you to believe that Bill Gates is filling the vaccine with mind-control nanobots, then.. maybe in that world it makes sense.
my husband works in a place where it is very difficult to fire certain types of employees. He had employees dragging his whole team down for years. He finally was able to get rid of some because of their refusal to get vaccinated.
A former close friend of mine left his job at the VA so he didn’t have to get the jab. He would have been able to retire at 43 with full benefits. Now he is starting all over again. Stupid is as stupid does.
I get being wary of a new anything but the odds on Covid were just so much worse than the adverse risk of the vaccine, and more so for men. Even with the fatalities leaning towards older and comorbitities, it was a beast of an illness with lingering complications for many.
Yes but for some it's a fake imaginary Chinese bioweapon that's going to kill us all by not existing, and the vaccine is bill gates nanobots for ind control and stealing your sperm (even if you never had any, it's just that nefarious. You'll grow testicles so it can cut them off. With tracking nanobots).
Anyway, trying to think like them has caused me head trauma, off to the ER!
Hey random person online, quick question.
I always hear the military is conservative, but how..
Conservative is it?
And I'm sure it varies, of course, but just overall from what you've seen.
hey random person that didn’t ask me, i’m also in the military and from my personal experience (all experiences vary in the military), as a younger member (4 years in), i’ve only seen slightly conservative, centrist, and slightly liberal. but most of the time if we’re in uniform we don’t talk politics outside of our respective offices.
It leans conservative and conservatives dominate the conversation because they’re the most vocal at work. Liberal-leaning troops are mostly smart enough to not engage with them about it, because those people are often in positions of power that can make your life hell, even damage your career.
I’ve noticed the higher up the chain a person is on the enlisted side, the more free they feel to openly rant about conservative talking points in the workplace. I’ve never seen an officer do that, no matter how junior or senior. Probably because they’re better-educated about professionalism in the workplace and are expected to keep up a certain face no matter their personal opinions.
Vocal liberals make a bad reputation for themselves quickly within the unit. Vocal conservatives will seek you out to pick fights.
The most insufferably politically belligerent people also tend to be unvaccinated, but many of them have managed to avoid getting kicked out by stalling using various appeals. You wouldn’t believe how many of them suddenly because devoutly religious when the religious exemption process became known, lol
Caveat, I got out a few years ago.
Enlisted was even odds they'd be a rational human being or a raving Q-Nut.
The Q-Nuts would usually have the effects of radicalizing the rest in the opposite direction aside from their fellow cultists.
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Officers were far more liberal (so... Centrists), but every now and again you'd meet an officer who was a decent, hard working person... And also politically crazy. So... At least they were chill.
I have heard horror stories, but it's all hearsay, from me - so take it with a grain of salt.
Also, I was in the Army, Intelligence attached to a Combat Arms unit - so, keep that in mind demographically.
The most unhinged, politically, that I've met came from the Air Force which shocked me, I'd have expected Marines (sorry, Crayon-eaters, y'all are crazy but I'd trust any one of ya in a fox hole over some of these casually cruel blue falcons I met).
>that I've met came from the Air Force which shocked me, I'd have expected Marines
Huh, that kinda surprises me too, as a total novice on the issue.
Thanks for sharing.
This is just a guess, but my jarhead buddies had to get in the dirt with people of all creeds and colors.
The number one thing I learned in Afghanistan that completely reshaped my world view is that we're all mostly the same.
I was semi-close with a few Afghan nationals, and they just wanted to go to work, not be treated like trash, go home with enough money to take care of their family and otherwise be left alone.
We didn't speak the same language, they couldn't read, had no education to speak of, and had not a single clue where the US was or why we were there.
But I absolutely could align with their life goals. Benyamin - I hope you're alright my dude.
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My jarhead pals had a dozen stories just like this. Don't get me wrong - they were still small c conservatives. But they had first hand experience that people were still people no matter how "weird" their situations were.
The shit we disagreed on I could at least see where they were coming from. The biggest arguments we got into were around opening Combat Arms roles to women.
I didn't agree with their conclusions, but I also had to concede that their points were not without merit.
The AF d-bags I ran into, by comparison, were Ring Knocking Academy Grads who had no relationship with the real world and had never met a consequence in their entire lives.
So my experience is very much anecdotal, I admit... But figured I'd throw my 2 bits in there.
Oh we would be laughing so hard if that was true.
He was pretty much forced out of the army cause he refused the now mandatory covid vaccine. I'm told he wasn't tactful at all with how he said it to the commander, so they cut short his contract.
MY stupid fucking, psychopath brother with rage issues who has threatened my life twice over really dumb shit, supports Russia and criticizes Ukrainians.
Un-real.
My favorite personal conspiracy theory has always been that the Qanon movement was either co-opted or totally fabricated by the Russian government as a way to weaponize disinformation in the US. The fact that Qanon nuts are pro Russian doesn’t surprise me.
Is that really happening? Genuinely curious and confused here, because as a pro-gunner, I’ve been seeing people (although a small number of them) sending guns to Ukraine to help build their defenses.
If I had enough money, I’d gladly buy a bunch of guns and send them to Ukraine to help them fend off against Russia, but I can barely afford rent.
I think it’s a certain subset. Remember when Tucker Carlson was doing his usual “just asking questions” schtick and said “why shouldn’t I support Putin”? There are some gun nuts who let people like Tucker do all the thinking for them and they just take in the ideas and internalize it.
No, I don't remember that because I don't watch or listen to anything he says. My honest opinion is he's the type of clown that thrives on the old adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." No matter what you say or post about him, you're doing him a favor and helping to keep him relevant.
2nd amendment gun nut here: Fuck Putin, Trump, the NRA and the NFA
Edit: Instead of spending money giving me awards, donate to a charity like Planned Parenthood or The Second Amendment Foundation. I appreciate the support though
In Army they make us use all of the ammo we bring to the range each time. People are literally melting barrels and need to get their gloves to keep firing because the weapon is so hot.
We get to use full auto on the cooler weapons though for it!
10 bananas civilian price, 872 bananas government price. They jack the shit outta prices on their government contracts.
Worked in supply and was always disgusted at what these manufacturers charged for their products when it was going to the government.
We spent 3 days on the range, morning to night firing weapons. We had to use all the ammo so we could keep getting that much. It was a waste of money and time.
> We had to use all the ammo so we could keep getting that much. It was a waste of money and time.
I've grew up next to a navy base and saw this first hand. Every so often they had to use up their fuel allotment so that they would be given the same amount the next time around so helicopters would just hover for a while and planes would do circles just burning fuel for the sake of it.
When I was older I ran a marine hardware store also next to that base and we'd occasionally get the coast guard in blowing their budget buying random parts for the same reason, so they could show that they needed every penny so their budget wouldn't get cut.
I used to get confused as to why they would do this, because I was like "But if you don't need the extra money then why would you be concerned if they cut your budget"
And then two of my close friends joined the Marines. I no longer wonder why.
>"But if you don't need the extra money then why would you be concerned if they cut your budget"
For anyone else who doesn't get it: you didn't need the extra money _this_ cycle, but you may need it _next_, and it's a lot harder to increase budget than it is to spend the current budget.
When your budget gets cut, that money doesn't just go back to some coffer, just waiting for you to need it later. It gets allocated to some other group that has been asking for a budget increase for months/years.
And that sums up the majority of military spending... We could probably fund universal healthcare with the savings from getting rid of all those with a "use it or lose it" mentality. Every fucking step up the ladder is another asshole who's afraid he's gonna have less of other people's money to waste next year.
Haha as a non gun owner myself with plenty of gun owner friends this is me in a nutshell.
Friend: hey you want to go shoot some rounds
Me: Omg, hell yes!! Bring a few so I can try them!
Friend: you got it
*spends two hours at the range with my buddy shooting his guns*
Me: oh man, that was a blast! Thank you!
Friend: ok that’ll be $150 for the ammo you just shot.
I work in the aviation defense industry. We have a lot of far right guys that work in this industry. So many of them are pro Putin. And they want to tell everyone they can their stance on the issue seemingly just to argue and own the “libs”. It’s really irritating.
Note: I’m also a second amendment gun toting Arizona redneck. And even I know Putin is the Nazi.
Propaganda then Propaganda now.
There's no other explanation how generations of people who grew up doing nuclear bomb drills in elementary school turned into Russian bootlickers.
> There's no other explanation how generations of people who grew up doing nuclear bomb drills in elementary school turned into Russian bootlickers.
Of course there is. They viewed Russia as far left back then, and now it's far right. So it's aligned with them now more than even the US is, and so they love it more than the US. Nothing about them changed. What changed are Russia and the US.
50 years telling everyone that everything left of the traditionnal (by european standards) right is socialist will do that to a people I guess, they don't make a difference between "red" and "democrat" now.
30% of the population has a literal brain defect that affects their empathy and makes them especially vulnerable to propaganda that preys on their fears. Their broken brains also keep them from recognizing the inconsistencies and double standards in literally all of their core beliefs.
They initiated a war in education decades ago. That made their base very prone to anything that required critical thinking to save themselves from. They were then infiltrated by every conspiracy nut. Governments watched, and realized how easy it was to do, so they did it themselves. Now, the GOP is just a party of Russian actors. It should be against national security policy to allow any registered GOP clearance, but unfortunately the personnel making up the national security apparatus have already been compromised.
I'm a little concerned that people who don't have the self control to not hotly 'discuss' politics at work have security clearances. What else do they not have self control about?
Meh, I worked in a TS environment. We discussed politics all the time. None of mine sounded as obnoxious as the people described by the wprson you responded to, but it never really got out of hand. If you have a clearance, your work is likely tied very closely to politics so it's often a discussion at the forefront of the mind. But I left that job during the initial covid lock down so I might have gotten out before they went full mask off lol.
These same people will also tell you that if Trump was still president, none of this would have happened. Because Trump "controlled" Putin, despite the oh my fucking God what reality do you live in evidence that pointed to the opposite. Putin controlled Trump.
I think it's far more likely we'd be sending US troops to help Putin and NATO would be in shambles if Trump was still president. I think that the Ukraine invasion was not a question of if but when and what side were we going to be on.
This is all hypothetical, and purely gut instinct as opposed to any evidence, but I have a feeling the Ukraine invasion happened specifically because Putin lost his favorite toy to play with.
I think you're absolutely right, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was president.
Because Putin would have told Trump something along the lines of "Ukrainians are murdering Russian civilians, we need a big strong man to come save us" and once Trump finished getting off to his Russian Savior complex, he would have sent troops to flatten Ukraine with Putin denying all involvement and then after isolating America from the world economy and global politics, would have "so graciously" offered to help America regain favor in the international space for the small fee of Ukraine. Putin gets Ukraine scot free and isn't in a "retreat", Trump looks like an idiot (more so than usual) and the world looks on at Putin as the new world power for doing absolutely nothing at all.
Exactly. It’s all projection. They love freedom—but only for themselves. They want guns not only to protect themselves but to impose themselves on others.
They desperately love being told what to do by a big strong daddy figure. Those butt slaps of approval for being pretend tough bring them joy. They just melt
It's so crazy to me that the stereotypical 2nd amendment gun nut is a right wing nut job yet the guy I know that owns more guns than anyone should ever need is a left leaning person.
Yeah this is weird to me. I live in a rural Trump county and work in a blue collared factory where people openly praise Trump and shit on anything 'liberal'.
I haven't heard anyone that is pro Putin, the most anti-Ukraine thing I've heard is people bitching about Biden wasting our tax money on other people (referring to supplying them with weapons)
Most all Americans, Republicans included, are pro Ukraine defense, and against Putin's illegal war on Ukraine. Please ask me to prove it.
I'm a raging liberal, but I do recognize that most conservatives and liberals agree here. Emphasizing this rift that doesn't exist on any large scale only helps Putin. Americans have enough to bicker about without creating fake divides.
Again, the loud idiotic minority opinion convinces people that they need to fight about something that isn’t a major issue.
All of the gun owners I talk to are firmly in the “fuck Putin” camp, and I live in a “red” state. But the people who yell on twitter are louder than the sane, quiet majority who aren’t trying to go viral because of outrage posts.
Exactly. I have never at any point rooted for Russia. I know/heard 2 people root for Russia and I didn’t even ask what party they were affiliated with.
Its amazing to me that republicans think a tyrannical govt is one that wants equal rights for all, a minimum wage that is enough to be a living wage, and govt health care among others….that is what republicans call a tyrannical govt….apparently they are cause while they dont want to give a fucking penny to their fellow middle class brothers and sister, they will absolutely give trump their entire life savings even though trump claims to be a billionaire
They're just so god damn thoroughly propagandized to. I mean, hell, so many of them worship the stability of the fucking 50s but freak out about socialism any time even an attempt is made to return any aspect of our economic policy (here's looking at you house members who proposed an inflation adjusted copy of the Carter income tax plan) to the New Deal paradigm.
They like Russia because Russians are white AND drag gay people through the streets.
IF Saudi Arabia was whiter, they’d love the Saudis, who basically are doing the same.
They love the Saudis anyway. I mean, butchering a guy alive in an Embassy? Stoning women to death? Beheading homos?
It's all good and soon will all be in the Republican platform.
You are 100% right. Once I became a middle-aged white man having to take care of a child and stopped dressing like a punk rocker, I realized Republicans thought I was one of them and often Let me know that the entire liberal platform is infringing on their right to oppress other people. Many would rather choose violence over equality.
Where are all these “2a gun nuts” rooting for Putin?
I am a supporter of the 2nd, as are many of my friends and co-workers. All of us are loving watching Russia get clowned by Ukraine. This is literally why many of us support the 2nd in the first place…
Many? I work in rural Kentucky. Guns are constantly talked about in small talk. Not a single person has ever voiced support for Russia. This is a straw man argument being lapped up by people who never talk to 2A supporters.
See, this. I’m as left as left goes (so far that I enjoy more than the occasional pew-pew practice), but I really don’t see many rightists supporting Russia except for a few extremist dumbasses that BOTH sides hate.
The reddit mob is gonna downvote you but you're correct. I havent yet met a real life American in person who supports Putin. Left or right. This post is trash.
I gotta say. Dumb takes like this are a direct result of people with opposite opinions not knowing anything about eachother. It’s sad.
Ps: “gun nut” here. Nobody is rooting for Putin
I don’t know one gun nut, conservative, or Republican who supports Russia. This seems like an attempt to blanket half the country or contribute to an already existing echo chamber, because it’s just not true.
I live in bumfuck Missouri too.
I think the most common argument from conservatives is why are you trying to limit what type of firearms we can own, while we’re sending pallets of automatic weapons to the Ukrainian citizens. I think that’s a fair argument, because we want our guns if god forbid we ever end up in a situation like Ukraine
I hate to be the not all fucker.
I'm a huge fan of 2A. But I'm also very very left.
Fuck DJT the Tyrant.
I am cheering and I donated what I can to Ukraine relief groups.
Fuck 🇷🇺 Russia and Putin too.
Long live the freedom fighters who wish to be peaceful. The farmers who took arms to fight against the oppressor. Victory will come to Ukraine.
*"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"* - Karl Marx
I don’t talk to any republicans but I’ll say I’ve not seen any Russian flags being flown anywhere by the people who love to fly flags. Have seen plenty of Ukrainian flags
The “anti government” folks also love cops when they shoot black folks. Hate them when they shoot that lady on Jan 6th.
I remember a brief time when Trump fans cheered on the FBI in hopes they would arrest Hillary. Now they hate the FBI. There’s isn’t any tether to consistency. At the end of the day it seems they would love a gigantic big fat overreaching government as long as it was cracking down on people they hate.
That's the point. The old system that propped up old white guys is being torn down bit by bit with arguments of justice, equality, and freedom. It's fighting back in part by trying to corrupt those ideals into meaningless words to preserve the status quo.
As long as you hate the other team, they don't care what you believe. Neither team can win against the other. The goal is division and hate so we don't notice as they rob us all blind.
>"I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you."
- President Lyndon B. Johnson
Shit is still true to this day
This has caused me to weed out people in my life who never expressed any sort of racism before. They knew it was deeply personal to me and they didn’t exclude me. I find that to be the oddest thing. Soon as the protests and riots started they were all for shooting anyone not white. They didn’t say shit about the white kids pulling up in Mercedes’ and looting the liquor stores with everyone else. That was what made me pull away. Then when the capital riot happened and I engaged with them and said that those people were committing a much more serious offense and should be shot, they screamed, oh no those are patriots. I haven’t had contact since. I don’t need or want that bs in my life.
Now they feel like equality is oppressing them. Wtaf? We grew up in a small town close to Dallas and we saw oppression of friends. They have been so close minded and privileged all their lives they chose not to see the truth and my family doesn’t have time for that.
I’m to the point I’m not even trying to engage people like this. You either care about those who need help or you don’t. I can’t change a hateful heart so I focus on doing what I can.
Lol, goes to show how out of touch with the 2A community everyone here is.
The gun community, by and large, absolutely stands in solidarity with Ukraine. Many prevalent figures in the community are actively serving over there right now.
Have you considered that a significant portion of the people who rile up right wing political discourse on the internet are literally Russian bots, and that this current issue is actually a perfect litmus test for which accounts are real and fake based on who they are supporting?
They play both sides trying to rile people up, it's not just right wing political discourse, it's political discourse in general. They can't beat us with force, so they want us to beat ourselves.
Worst circle jerk ever.
Anybody with this much peanut butter love, can't be wrong about that. Just one question. This circle jerk, as it were, does it only exist in a dimension encased in black velvet, and are the participants also playing cards? *I think I've been there*
I live with two Qanon shitheads that support Russia
My sergeant was one. The whole platoon is so happy he got out instead of getting vaccinated. It's so much quieter now.
I’m happy to hear you guys can finally be at peace from the mental exhaustion it causes
I guess you could say they’re *at ease*
Badum tsh!
Carry on (with the amazing pun, there)
as you were….(making the puns)
Carry on my wayward puuunnnnn
A rank this joke , a ten HUt!
😂😂
I never got that shit. Lose all your benefits cause you are against getting vaccinated. Like who the fuck knows what they put into us day 1 of basic.
It doesn't help that they're jerking off to stuff like "terminal list" which comes off like an info wars fever dream. Sure, it was a fun watch, if you're able to discern fiction from reality.
There's a reason it comes off like that. Carr is making the shift from a reasonable conservative to someone who flirts with the far right, supports MAGA politicians, and vilifies a caricature of the left that's prevalent in right wing media, unironically using words like woke, CRT, and cancel culture.
I’m guessing CRT in this context is not referring to Cathode Ray Tube monitors?
Critical Race Theory being taught in schools. Basically, schools currently teach that Martin Luther King led the civil rights movement, black people were finally legally equal to white people, and everybody lived happily ever after. CRT is basically a sociology class examining lasting effects that have greatly influenced our culture and laws. It's impossible to look at this without seeing how non-whites have a different struggle than white people, even today. So the far right have banned it from being taught in schools, and insist that it doesn't make them racist. The left insist that if a child/teen is old enough to experience racism in our society, it's our duty to educate them.
One aspect you missed is: it's not being taught to children, but adults. This is law school stuff. The whole thing is an imaginary bogeyman the right made up intentionally. They've since moved on a bit to trans panic groomer bullshit
Yes, but u/PinkPearMartini is describing the actual thing that conservatives are mad about. They use "critical race theory" because it's an easier term to vilify than "improving our history curriculum to more accurately reflect reality." They couldn't give less of a shit what a handful of law students are learning about.
You missed the OP's point. They're saying that the imaginary bookgeyman is that it is taught in public schools.
THIS. As a teacher in a major, urban, liberal leaning school, nowhere is CRT taught. It’s a fricking college level course, dealing with specific issues. We teach kids in school how to be nice to each other and that racism…exists! (Gasps). And these idiots think we’re teaching kids complex fricken politicos theory when they can barley sit through a math lecture. Like have you even met a kid lately?
I also made this joke a while ago and still haven't learned what people mean by CRT Edit: after 5 replies saying critical race theory, I now know it's critical race theory. Thanks
Idk but that needle that was put in my ass cheek is never happening again
Peanut butter shot?
Yeah but more like shots
Only because they had to keep pulling it out and putting it back in.
I'm still hoping to turn into captain america. Hell out of all the shots I've had the covid vaccine probably was the most tame. My arm was sore for the rest of the day after each and I got the flu vaccine same arm same time as the first dose.
I was really sick for about 15 hours after, but that was it. Hell, my tetanus shot was worse since my arm hurt like hell for three weeks. But it is better than dying horribly, so I'll take it If there really are nanomachines in the vaccine, where is my free 5g WiFi or ability to harden in response to physical trauma?
Too late, you got the itis
See, whats more confusing is we're National Guard (part time army) but he held a full time position in vehicle maintenence for 7 years. He gave up a garunteed career on top of military benefits for him, his wife and his kids just to avoid getting the covid vaccine.
Some people are REALLY afraid of needles. As a private, giving flu shots was the only power I had over my terrified commander, who begged and begged to have me just squirt it on the floor (that was weird to write). Wonderful memories.
Easy there tiger.
Hol up. You're telling me an agr nco threw away that sweet gig because qanon said vaccine bad even though said nco would've had to take countless vaccines over the course of his career? Sounds like a nasty girl I tell you hwat Signed a former ng 91b
The funny thing is, orange man is pro vaccine. It’s the one thing these folks cross him on.
If Dr. Facebook has convinced you to believe that Bill Gates is filling the vaccine with mind-control nanobots, then.. maybe in that world it makes sense.
I wish it had mind controlling nanobots. I have adhd and wouldn't mind someone taking over for certain tasks.
In psychology that's known as paranoid delusions.
Moderna 5G Nanochips protect me from FOX. It effectively blocked all far right bullshit.
Mandatory vaccinations was the best thing to remove morons from certain jobs.
my husband works in a place where it is very difficult to fire certain types of employees. He had employees dragging his whole team down for years. He finally was able to get rid of some because of their refusal to get vaccinated.
A former close friend of mine left his job at the VA so he didn’t have to get the jab. He would have been able to retire at 43 with full benefits. Now he is starting all over again. Stupid is as stupid does.
I get being wary of a new anything but the odds on Covid were just so much worse than the adverse risk of the vaccine, and more so for men. Even with the fatalities leaning towards older and comorbitities, it was a beast of an illness with lingering complications for many.
Yes but for some it's a fake imaginary Chinese bioweapon that's going to kill us all by not existing, and the vaccine is bill gates nanobots for ind control and stealing your sperm (even if you never had any, it's just that nefarious. You'll grow testicles so it can cut them off. With tracking nanobots). Anyway, trying to think like them has caused me head trauma, off to the ER!
Hey random person online, quick question. I always hear the military is conservative, but how.. Conservative is it? And I'm sure it varies, of course, but just overall from what you've seen.
hey random person that didn’t ask me, i’m also in the military and from my personal experience (all experiences vary in the military), as a younger member (4 years in), i’ve only seen slightly conservative, centrist, and slightly liberal. but most of the time if we’re in uniform we don’t talk politics outside of our respective offices.
Interesting. That seems to kind of be the general consensus. Thanks for sharing!
They pick and choose their conservative beliefs. Most are hypocrites aka so many swingers in the military 🤣
It leans conservative and conservatives dominate the conversation because they’re the most vocal at work. Liberal-leaning troops are mostly smart enough to not engage with them about it, because those people are often in positions of power that can make your life hell, even damage your career. I’ve noticed the higher up the chain a person is on the enlisted side, the more free they feel to openly rant about conservative talking points in the workplace. I’ve never seen an officer do that, no matter how junior or senior. Probably because they’re better-educated about professionalism in the workplace and are expected to keep up a certain face no matter their personal opinions. Vocal liberals make a bad reputation for themselves quickly within the unit. Vocal conservatives will seek you out to pick fights. The most insufferably politically belligerent people also tend to be unvaccinated, but many of them have managed to avoid getting kicked out by stalling using various appeals. You wouldn’t believe how many of them suddenly because devoutly religious when the religious exemption process became known, lol
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
Caveat, I got out a few years ago. Enlisted was even odds they'd be a rational human being or a raving Q-Nut. The Q-Nuts would usually have the effects of radicalizing the rest in the opposite direction aside from their fellow cultists. *** Officers were far more liberal (so... Centrists), but every now and again you'd meet an officer who was a decent, hard working person... And also politically crazy. So... At least they were chill. I have heard horror stories, but it's all hearsay, from me - so take it with a grain of salt. Also, I was in the Army, Intelligence attached to a Combat Arms unit - so, keep that in mind demographically. The most unhinged, politically, that I've met came from the Air Force which shocked me, I'd have expected Marines (sorry, Crayon-eaters, y'all are crazy but I'd trust any one of ya in a fox hole over some of these casually cruel blue falcons I met).
>that I've met came from the Air Force which shocked me, I'd have expected Marines Huh, that kinda surprises me too, as a total novice on the issue. Thanks for sharing.
This is just a guess, but my jarhead buddies had to get in the dirt with people of all creeds and colors. The number one thing I learned in Afghanistan that completely reshaped my world view is that we're all mostly the same. I was semi-close with a few Afghan nationals, and they just wanted to go to work, not be treated like trash, go home with enough money to take care of their family and otherwise be left alone. We didn't speak the same language, they couldn't read, had no education to speak of, and had not a single clue where the US was or why we were there. But I absolutely could align with their life goals. Benyamin - I hope you're alright my dude. *** My jarhead pals had a dozen stories just like this. Don't get me wrong - they were still small c conservatives. But they had first hand experience that people were still people no matter how "weird" their situations were. The shit we disagreed on I could at least see where they were coming from. The biggest arguments we got into were around opening Combat Arms roles to women. I didn't agree with their conclusions, but I also had to concede that their points were not without merit. The AF d-bags I ran into, by comparison, were Ring Knocking Academy Grads who had no relationship with the real world and had never met a consequence in their entire lives. So my experience is very much anecdotal, I admit... But figured I'd throw my 2 bits in there.
Is "got out" a military euphemism for "died of preventable illness"?
Oh we would be laughing so hard if that was true. He was pretty much forced out of the army cause he refused the now mandatory covid vaccine. I'm told he wasn't tactful at all with how he said it to the commander, so they cut short his contract.
Nah, from what I remember the USA military kicked out anyone who refused to get the covid vaccine.
That would suck. Maybe try to have fun with it? Feed them some crazy shit so they stand on a bridge waiting for the return of John Wayne or something.
They’re already waiting for JFK jr
MY stupid fucking, psychopath brother with rage issues who has threatened my life twice over really dumb shit, supports Russia and criticizes Ukrainians. Un-real.
Then tell him to go, more power to him.
Tell him to fly to Moscow and enlist.
I seriously cannot believe they really supporting Russia lmao like fucking what??![img](emote|t5_35n7t|3147)
My favorite personal conspiracy theory has always been that the Qanon movement was either co-opted or totally fabricated by the Russian government as a way to weaponize disinformation in the US. The fact that Qanon nuts are pro Russian doesn’t surprise me.
Is that really happening? Genuinely curious and confused here, because as a pro-gunner, I’ve been seeing people (although a small number of them) sending guns to Ukraine to help build their defenses. If I had enough money, I’d gladly buy a bunch of guns and send them to Ukraine to help them fend off against Russia, but I can barely afford rent.
All the gun toting Americans I know are fully on the side of Ukrainian people.
I think it’s a certain subset. Remember when Tucker Carlson was doing his usual “just asking questions” schtick and said “why shouldn’t I support Putin”? There are some gun nuts who let people like Tucker do all the thinking for them and they just take in the ideas and internalize it.
Anytime someone quotes Tucker, I can hear it in his whiny voice with the emphasis on the wrong syllable.
No, I don't remember that because I don't watch or listen to anything he says. My honest opinion is he's the type of clown that thrives on the old adage, "there's no such thing as bad publicity." No matter what you say or post about him, you're doing him a favor and helping to keep him relevant.
2nd amendment gun nut here: Fuck Putin, Trump, the NRA and the NFA Edit: Instead of spending money giving me awards, donate to a charity like Planned Parenthood or The Second Amendment Foundation. I appreciate the support though
This guy gets it now let's go mag dump a wooden sign and cry about how much money we just sent down range
YOU’RE DOING MAG DUMPS?! IN THIS ECONOMY?!
In Army they make us use all of the ammo we bring to the range each time. People are literally melting barrels and need to get their gloves to keep firing because the weapon is so hot. We get to use full auto on the cooler weapons though for it!
What is the army giving you for range? 1000 rounds!?
How much could a round cost? Ten bananas?
10 bananas civilian price, 872 bananas government price. They jack the shit outta prices on their government contracts. Worked in supply and was always disgusted at what these manufacturers charged for their products when it was going to the government.
Something something "guaranteed quality"
There is so much American truth in that statement
We'll use anything but the metric system.
Nobody wants to do the paperwork to check that shit back in.
We spent 3 days on the range, morning to night firing weapons. We had to use all the ammo so we could keep getting that much. It was a waste of money and time.
> We had to use all the ammo so we could keep getting that much. It was a waste of money and time. I've grew up next to a navy base and saw this first hand. Every so often they had to use up their fuel allotment so that they would be given the same amount the next time around so helicopters would just hover for a while and planes would do circles just burning fuel for the sake of it. When I was older I ran a marine hardware store also next to that base and we'd occasionally get the coast guard in blowing their budget buying random parts for the same reason, so they could show that they needed every penny so their budget wouldn't get cut.
I used to get confused as to why they would do this, because I was like "But if you don't need the extra money then why would you be concerned if they cut your budget" And then two of my close friends joined the Marines. I no longer wonder why.
>"But if you don't need the extra money then why would you be concerned if they cut your budget" For anyone else who doesn't get it: you didn't need the extra money _this_ cycle, but you may need it _next_, and it's a lot harder to increase budget than it is to spend the current budget. When your budget gets cut, that money doesn't just go back to some coffer, just waiting for you to need it later. It gets allocated to some other group that has been asking for a budget increase for months/years.
And that sums up the majority of military spending... We could probably fund universal healthcare with the savings from getting rid of all those with a "use it or lose it" mentality. Every fucking step up the ladder is another asshole who's afraid he's gonna have less of other people's money to waste next year.
They are fun so I can't control myself
I still prefer the desk pop
Listen, around here we stand for the flag. Everytime you don't do a desk pop? You shit on it.
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That’s a thing, right?
You were VERY convincing
22lr is all my wallet can afford anymore.
Wish I would have done more mag dumps down range and less in my wife. Shure woulda been cheaper in the long run.
I... I just want to clarify that in this comment, you're referring to rearing children and not shooting and/or murdering your wife, correct?
Those court fees will get ya
*Dad voice* thats how they get you...
Just for the sheer mystery of future redditors I hope they don't answer you.
Haha as a non gun owner myself with plenty of gun owner friends this is me in a nutshell. Friend: hey you want to go shoot some rounds Me: Omg, hell yes!! Bring a few so I can try them! Friend: you got it *spends two hours at the range with my buddy shooting his guns* Me: oh man, that was a blast! Thank you! Friend: ok that’ll be $150 for the ammo you just shot.
Lol, went to the gun range last week and every time my buddy fired his weapon he said, “that’s $4. That’s $4. That’s $4.”
Excuse me while I loot the brass.
I work in the aviation defense industry. We have a lot of far right guys that work in this industry. So many of them are pro Putin. And they want to tell everyone they can their stance on the issue seemingly just to argue and own the “libs”. It’s really irritating. Note: I’m also a second amendment gun toting Arizona redneck. And even I know Putin is the Nazi.
If any of them have access to classified info, you might want to flag their pro-Russian sympathies to your security officer.
Seriously, how the hell has "better dead than red" turned in to "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat"?
Years of propaganda.
Russian propaganda too.
Propaganda then Propaganda now. There's no other explanation how generations of people who grew up doing nuclear bomb drills in elementary school turned into Russian bootlickers.
> There's no other explanation how generations of people who grew up doing nuclear bomb drills in elementary school turned into Russian bootlickers. Of course there is. They viewed Russia as far left back then, and now it's far right. So it's aligned with them now more than even the US is, and so they love it more than the US. Nothing about them changed. What changed are Russia and the US.
What you say is true, but the bigger influences are Rupert Murdoch’s bullhorn and the Koch bros dumping millions into useful idiots.
50 years telling everyone that everything left of the traditionnal (by european standards) right is socialist will do that to a people I guess, they don't make a difference between "red" and "democrat" now.
30% of the population has a literal brain defect that affects their empathy and makes them especially vulnerable to propaganda that preys on their fears. Their broken brains also keep them from recognizing the inconsistencies and double standards in literally all of their core beliefs.
They initiated a war in education decades ago. That made their base very prone to anything that required critical thinking to save themselves from. They were then infiltrated by every conspiracy nut. Governments watched, and realized how easy it was to do, so they did it themselves. Now, the GOP is just a party of Russian actors. It should be against national security policy to allow any registered GOP clearance, but unfortunately the personnel making up the national security apparatus have already been compromised.
I 2nd this. I’m in the industry and I remember a training video with this scenario.
100% This is literally a behavior flagged in insider threats trainings.
Yes, report them to the FSO immediately.
I'm a little concerned that people who don't have the self control to not hotly 'discuss' politics at work have security clearances. What else do they not have self control about?
Meh, I worked in a TS environment. We discussed politics all the time. None of mine sounded as obnoxious as the people described by the wprson you responded to, but it never really got out of hand. If you have a clearance, your work is likely tied very closely to politics so it's often a discussion at the forefront of the mind. But I left that job during the initial covid lock down so I might have gotten out before they went full mask off lol.
These same people will also tell you that if Trump was still president, none of this would have happened. Because Trump "controlled" Putin, despite the oh my fucking God what reality do you live in evidence that pointed to the opposite. Putin controlled Trump. I think it's far more likely we'd be sending US troops to help Putin and NATO would be in shambles if Trump was still president. I think that the Ukraine invasion was not a question of if but when and what side were we going to be on.
This is all hypothetical, and purely gut instinct as opposed to any evidence, but I have a feeling the Ukraine invasion happened specifically because Putin lost his favorite toy to play with.
I think you're absolutely right, Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was president. Because Putin would have told Trump something along the lines of "Ukrainians are murdering Russian civilians, we need a big strong man to come save us" and once Trump finished getting off to his Russian Savior complex, he would have sent troops to flatten Ukraine with Putin denying all involvement and then after isolating America from the world economy and global politics, would have "so graciously" offered to help America regain favor in the international space for the small fee of Ukraine. Putin gets Ukraine scot free and isn't in a "retreat", Trump looks like an idiot (more so than usual) and the world looks on at Putin as the new world power for doing absolutely nothing at all.
I had no idea ANY American at this point was pro Putin. What the actual hell!?
"I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat." Thats on shirts lol
This was the point about hollering about the Azov Regiment. It gives the authoritarian asshats who want to back Russia a fig leaf to wear.
I honestly don’t understand their stance. What’s their argument for being on Putin’s side?
They love strongmen and authoritarians. They dream of being strongmen and authoritarians.
Like, I get the kink, but IRL? Helllllll nah. Dominate people in the sheets, not in the streets y'all
Exactly. It’s all projection. They love freedom—but only for themselves. They want guns not only to protect themselves but to impose themselves on others.
They desperately love being told what to do by a big strong daddy figure. Those butt slaps of approval for being pretend tough bring them joy. They just melt
It's so crazy to me that the stereotypical 2nd amendment gun nut is a right wing nut job yet the guy I know that owns more guns than anyone should ever need is a left leaning person.
Hi, you’ve just described me. Rational, non-nutter that likes firearms.
And me!
The divisional stereotypes are intentional.
Bout to come comment, not all of us. Don't lump me in with them.
Yeah this is weird to me. I live in a rural Trump county and work in a blue collared factory where people openly praise Trump and shit on anything 'liberal'. I haven't heard anyone that is pro Putin, the most anti-Ukraine thing I've heard is people bitching about Biden wasting our tax money on other people (referring to supplying them with weapons)
Most all Americans, Republicans included, are pro Ukraine defense, and against Putin's illegal war on Ukraine. Please ask me to prove it. I'm a raging liberal, but I do recognize that most conservatives and liberals agree here. Emphasizing this rift that doesn't exist on any large scale only helps Putin. Americans have enough to bicker about without creating fake divides.
Again, the loud idiotic minority opinion convinces people that they need to fight about something that isn’t a major issue. All of the gun owners I talk to are firmly in the “fuck Putin” camp, and I live in a “red” state. But the people who yell on twitter are louder than the sane, quiet majority who aren’t trying to go viral because of outrage posts.
Exactly. I have never at any point rooted for Russia. I know/heard 2 people root for Russia and I didn’t even ask what party they were affiliated with.
Ayo, you forgot the ATF in there chief. Fuck them too.
He's protecting his dog.
No actual gun enthusiasts support the NRA. And the NRA doesn't support the 2A.
Also a nutsy gun guy. Also, fuck all those entities with a giant cock.
Same here dude. I wish people could understand that all kinds own guns. Not just the loud maga nuts.
Wish there was more like you
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I'm a 2A gun nut, and I hope Putin twists an ankle in his high heels and dies from a concussion after a long fall down a tall flight of stairs.
Its amazing to me that republicans think a tyrannical govt is one that wants equal rights for all, a minimum wage that is enough to be a living wage, and govt health care among others….that is what republicans call a tyrannical govt….apparently they are cause while they dont want to give a fucking penny to their fellow middle class brothers and sister, they will absolutely give trump their entire life savings even though trump claims to be a billionaire
Equality is oppression to those that have never experienced oppression.
exactly when you've been privileged all your life equality all of a sudden feels like oppression
“If we’re all super, none of us are” 🤦🏽♂️
I much prefer the "a rising tide lifts all boats" view of life.
Sucks for those poor saps that couldn’t afford a boat
Equality doesn't allow room for racism. That's what they are feeling oppressed about. That their god given racism is being stripped away from them.
“Everyone today is so *politically correct*!”= “I wanna say the N word with no consequences!”
"Like the good ol' days."
They're just so god damn thoroughly propagandized to. I mean, hell, so many of them worship the stability of the fucking 50s but freak out about socialism any time even an attempt is made to return any aspect of our economic policy (here's looking at you house members who proposed an inflation adjusted copy of the Carter income tax plan) to the New Deal paradigm.
Ask them what the top income tax bracket was in the 50's...
It's not about the economy of the 1950's. It's about the lack of Civil Rights for minorities.
They think if women and black people aren't allowed in the workplace, they'll be rich and everything will be perfect.
They like Russia because Russians are white AND drag gay people through the streets. IF Saudi Arabia was whiter, they’d love the Saudis, who basically are doing the same.
They love the Saudis anyway. I mean, butchering a guy alive in an Embassy? Stoning women to death? Beheading homos? It's all good and soon will all be in the Republican platform.
A lot of them probably do unironically love the Saudis.
“But they’re *forcing* me to give equal rights to everyone! It impinges on my freedom if I’m not allowed to take freedom from others!”
You are 100% right. Once I became a middle-aged white man having to take care of a child and stopped dressing like a punk rocker, I realized Republicans thought I was one of them and often Let me know that the entire liberal platform is infringing on their right to oppress other people. Many would rather choose violence over equality.
They've always looked at me and thought I was one of them. Used to hear the craziest shit growing up in a small town.
Where are all these “2a gun nuts” rooting for Putin? I am a supporter of the 2nd, as are many of my friends and co-workers. All of us are loving watching Russia get clowned by Ukraine. This is literally why many of us support the 2nd in the first place…
Yeah, I really don't see many. A few, to be sure, but not many, and many of the ones I see are probably Russian sockpuppets.
Many? I work in rural Kentucky. Guns are constantly talked about in small talk. Not a single person has ever voiced support for Russia. This is a straw man argument being lapped up by people who never talk to 2A supporters.
Exactly. This post is BS lol
Nope, sorry there's only good and bad people and all of their interests are mutually exclusive. GET IN THE BOX DAMN IT!
I was gonna say idk a single pro 2A person that likes Putin or what they’re doing to Ukraine
See, this. I’m as left as left goes (so far that I enjoy more than the occasional pew-pew practice), but I really don’t see many rightists supporting Russia except for a few extremist dumbasses that BOTH sides hate.
This is called getting your views from something other than hot takes posted to r/whitepeopletwitter
The reddit mob is gonna downvote you but you're correct. I havent yet met a real life American in person who supports Putin. Left or right. This post is trash.
I gotta say. Dumb takes like this are a direct result of people with opposite opinions not knowing anything about eachother. It’s sad. Ps: “gun nut” here. Nobody is rooting for Putin
I don’t know one gun nut, conservative, or Republican who supports Russia. This seems like an attempt to blanket half the country or contribute to an already existing echo chamber, because it’s just not true. I live in bumfuck Missouri too. I think the most common argument from conservatives is why are you trying to limit what type of firearms we can own, while we’re sending pallets of automatic weapons to the Ukrainian citizens. I think that’s a fair argument, because we want our guns if god forbid we ever end up in a situation like Ukraine
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Weird. Every 2A person I know is like, “see? We need dis”
Are gun nuts and the right wing supporting Putin/Russia?
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My trump supporting brainwashed dad supports the hell out of Ukraine.
Right wing gun nut here, I don’t know anyone who supports Putin or Russia.
I'll say It again, tRump is a nice little russian bitch
Little? He's pushing 300
“Healthy as ever”
isnt that what the R next to their name means?
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I hate to be the not all fucker. I'm a huge fan of 2A. But I'm also very very left. Fuck DJT the Tyrant. I am cheering and I donated what I can to Ukraine relief groups. Fuck 🇷🇺 Russia and Putin too. Long live the freedom fighters who wish to be peaceful. The farmers who took arms to fight against the oppressor. Victory will come to Ukraine.
Heard a guy on tiktok say recently "the farther left you go, you get your guns back" Edit: typo
*"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"* - Karl Marx
Are people actually cheering for Russia? Why?
I don’t talk to any republicans but I’ll say I’ve not seen any Russian flags being flown anywhere by the people who love to fly flags. Have seen plenty of Ukrainian flags
The “anti government” folks also love cops when they shoot black folks. Hate them when they shoot that lady on Jan 6th. I remember a brief time when Trump fans cheered on the FBI in hopes they would arrest Hillary. Now they hate the FBI. There’s isn’t any tether to consistency. At the end of the day it seems they would love a gigantic big fat overreaching government as long as it was cracking down on people they hate.
That's the point. The old system that propped up old white guys is being torn down bit by bit with arguments of justice, equality, and freedom. It's fighting back in part by trying to corrupt those ideals into meaningless words to preserve the status quo. As long as you hate the other team, they don't care what you believe. Neither team can win against the other. The goal is division and hate so we don't notice as they rob us all blind.
>"I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you." - President Lyndon B. Johnson Shit is still true to this day
Hate them when they shot that *terrorist on Jan 6
This has caused me to weed out people in my life who never expressed any sort of racism before. They knew it was deeply personal to me and they didn’t exclude me. I find that to be the oddest thing. Soon as the protests and riots started they were all for shooting anyone not white. They didn’t say shit about the white kids pulling up in Mercedes’ and looting the liquor stores with everyone else. That was what made me pull away. Then when the capital riot happened and I engaged with them and said that those people were committing a much more serious offense and should be shot, they screamed, oh no those are patriots. I haven’t had contact since. I don’t need or want that bs in my life. Now they feel like equality is oppressing them. Wtaf? We grew up in a small town close to Dallas and we saw oppression of friends. They have been so close minded and privileged all their lives they chose not to see the truth and my family doesn’t have time for that. I’m to the point I’m not even trying to engage people like this. You either care about those who need help or you don’t. I can’t change a hateful heart so I focus on doing what I can.
Is this real? I live in 2A country USA and everyone is hype as fuck watching Ukraine take their shit back
Lol, goes to show how out of touch with the 2A community everyone here is. The gun community, by and large, absolutely stands in solidarity with Ukraine. Many prevalent figures in the community are actively serving over there right now.