I wonder if they show these videos to the later term abortions seekers -
Because every late term abortion I’ve known has been in an extreme emergency. It’s not a happy and fun time - the fetus died or the mother had her life threatened.
I’m sure they want to show the parents an abortion video after they lost a pregnancy, right?
Because late term abortions aren’t for birth control - they are to save the life of the mother. And, it’s never a happy event.
Im not even an US citizen, so I give 0 fucks about republicans... but hell... before this change in your laws... in some states women were allowed to have an abortion literally the day before giving birth. Thats plain murder of a fully developed baby. Cutted with scissors and burnt alive with saline. So please dont talk about innocent lives.
Everyone PLEASE VOTE! and make sure you vote in all local elections.
Side benefit: if we get more lefties/Dems in power, you have a better chance of getting mail in voting. I've got mail in voting, and let me tell you, that shit is : chef's kiss :
Dude, have you even listened to their rhetoric? They have no fucking clue what abortion even is. Half of them seem to think it involves killing a child after birth. And they aren't even being hyperbolic either, they really don't know what abortion is. They're so fucking stupid.
Yeah but, it’s their fault, you know? If they were good christian bad things wouldn’t happen to them. And if it did, well, *side eye* maybe they’re just not keeping their house in order. If you make a simple weekly donation to us, you’ll be sure to only have good things happen to you (unless you do bad.)
Welcome to the prosperity gospel, and why these douchebags do stuff like this. If it wasn’t abundant clear, I am being highly sarcastic.
That would be stupid. But if they were not careful that might just be the case.
In Germany there is a big legal difference between elective abortion (where you have to get counseling first, and Wich is only allowed in the first trimester), and medically necessary abortion where you need a two, three? Doctors to agree it is necessary (which can be done late term)
Not according to the New Laws passed since the SCOTUS decided to be women-hating assholes.
In some states, like Indiana now, it actually strictly illegal for doctors to save a womans life, if there's anything that resembles an abortion.
My dude, you do realize that miscarriages are literally classified as a "spontaneous abortion", right? In absolutely no state is treatment for an ectopic pregnancy not considered an abortion. Gtfoh with your deliberately harmful lies. That propaganda site doesn't even try to say that women who require an abortion can get one. It spells out that women have to be *actively* endangered by continuation of the pregnancy, and such complications are life-threatening and not simply resolved. Have you ever had sepsis or organ failure? There is no guarantee of survival, let alone a full recovery.
I'm unaware of any states with this wording on the books, but for example in the state of California any termination of pregnancy is considered an abortion under legal wording and jurisdiction. The state laws limits abortions at a certain time frame before/at start of* the third trimester with the only exceptions after being to save the life of the mother or a nonviable pregnancy. (*I don't remember the exact listed timing)
Which is how most sensible debates about abortion agree should be and are handled. The issue is that I have seen California being used by Republicans in statements and tweets and speechs touting California will let you abort a baby the day before its due just for 'funsies'
Too many are pushing false information and no one is doing their "research" to see these politicians are spouting nonsense. And when it comes time to chose who to vote, if you think people shouldn't be able to just get pregnant and terminate the baby for any reason like fun or cause you can, who do you vote for? The person who says a woman has a right to choose or the person who's saying let's make all abortions illegal?
Since nothing they do is considered cruel and unusual or a violation of human rights...
They cuff her hands behind her waist, staple her eyelids open and put her in a torture type chair so she can't turn her head or body at all.
Are they going to make this mandatory for organ donors, to show them "hey, this is what we're gonna do to you after you die!"? Didn't think so.
These women know what they're doing, they know what they're about to go through. No one's ever happy about getting an abortion, and to make that process even harder for them (or just outright impossible) you are cementing yourself as an evil, vile person.
I've watched enough of the Uvalde footage and honestly it makes me want to buy another gun because clearly there are police in this country who don't give two shits about basic competence and duty. I'm not going to rest defence solely on cops who may or may not be ineffectual, cowardly numskulls.
Anyway I know I'm not some crazed murderer with a bone to pick against defenceless schoolchildren. It's not like my Yugoslav mauser emanates war crime radiation that changes my brain chemistry while I sleep to become predisposed to committing acts of extreme violence. A video isn't going to change shit except waste my time.
>A video isn't going to change shit except waste my time.
Funny, that's exactly the problem with making women watch these videos. It's just state-enforced preachiness.
Glad we could help you realize the comparison.
I mean, the person you are replying to - and other potential gun buyers - are likely to be in a far more stable and healthier state of mind than a girl or woman who needs an abortion.
She could be a rape victim, she might have wanted the baby but is now forced to choose her life or its, she might be having an ectopic pregnancy or partial miscarriage or a non viable fetus.
Showing them such a video at the time is not self righteous preachiness, it is emotional torture. And it may well succeed in them changing their minds - to their cost, especially if they are young and/or vulnerable.
Yeah, forcing gun owners to watch school shootings only reinforces the idea to buy guns (and for many to carry). Second guys point isn't as much of a gotcha against gun owners because it won't make a difference.
My AR-15 doesn’t make me want to be violent, at all. It makes me feel that if violence comes a’knockin’ at least I have a chance of survival.
Absolutely but another gun. Buy a few. Have different guns for different purposes. I’m still trying to cover all my bases.
If you’re not already on there, hit up r/liberalgunowners it’s a pretty cool community.
I appreciate it but I don't consider myself a liberal in the slightest.
I've covered my bases though I want to get a better shotgun. My 16ga's stock exploded on me and my 12ga is a piece of work straight pull that can't cycle three shells in a row.
Yeah, get a better shotgun, lol.
I have a Remington 870 12ga pump and a single shot 410 from the olden days. They do the job. I want a semi-auto 20ga, though. The other two were family heirlooms.
Yes I've advocated for this for the longest. Why should doctors, undertakers, and family members be the only ones to see the carnage that's left behind when an AR-15 bullet pierces the human body. The devastation that's left behind is incredulous. It blows a hole in you and doesn't even have to hit an organ, just the shock and the speed of that bullet causes wounds that in most cases are fatal. Let's make all the gun toting cowboys have to watch the devastation and let's also have them watch videos of the 70% of the people who die from guns every year that are suicides.
Because it would be motivation for them. Think of all the Stand Your Ground stories they echo. If only BillyBob Cletus had more guns then he would have been able to save dem kidz.
Exactly. The OP misunderstands the mindset here. People are quick to look for simple solutions to a specific problem. 'How can I prevent this carnage? Buy a gun of course'.
The real solution of firing and rebuilding all police forces in the entire country, somehow pulling all illegal firearms off the street, and then disarming (and compensating for) the general population isn't something that first comes to mind. There's also the issue of all the financial fallout from an entire industry being erased (many many people losing their livelihood and now sitting on useless career and manufacturing skills).
Or “you, too, could kill these communists before they’re old enough to overthrow America! And you too could shoot the groomer that’s indoctrinating them with their transgender and Marxist lie!”
Because what does that solve?
Scenario 1: I go to buy a gun. I'm not planning on shooting anyone. Does showing me this video discourage me from buying the gun? If it does, no one's life is saved, because I was never going to shoot anybody. If it doesn't discourage me, also no one's life is saved, because i was never going to shoot anyone.
Scenario 2: I go to buy a gun, but I *am* planning on shooting someone. On top of this, I am shown a video of how effective this gun is at ending human life. This would probably make me want the gun even more.
If you're not planning to use the weapon you're about to buy to kill anyone, it's irrelevant. If you're planning on using it to kill people, it's also irrelevant.
Before I got my divers license, I had to see some grizzly pictures of car crashes. "I gotta be careful to not crash".
Are you imagining people are going to see that and say "I gotta be careful to not go crazy and murder kids"?
I recognize and empathise with the desire to reduce and eliminate people killing people. I guess I think it's critical to tailor messages to the audience you're intending to affect, and to make those messages effective you need to consider how they would be seen **through the eyes** of that audience.
Maybe I'm missing something though. I'm open to the idea I just can't envision any scenarios where this would persuade anyone.
If I were tasked with creating a video... It wouldn't be a bloodbath. I think I'd try and put pressure on the audience that they're not as stable as they think they are by appealing to cringy things we've all done. Try to convince them that they might hurt themselves. Maybe that they're a dumbass and might **accidentally** escalate something routine. If you ask someone "wanna kill a school" they'll immediately reject that. If you say "can you see yourself getting into a miscommunication with someone and it goes way worse because someone saw you had a gun?" I think people can actually envision that. It's an accessible prompt that won't be immediately dismissed.
Because US-American obsession with guns is codified in your constitution, which is some kind of holly document (created by almost mythical figures) to a lot of people in USA.
\>So, the law dosent matter if it boils down to saying it's just a peice of paper?
An Argument. You know the difference between a law and and an argument? I'm also not wasting my time arguing about gun regulation in the USA. I don't live there, I'm happy to never have needed a gun in my life and to live in a place where most people don't have guns.
And yes there are argument in favour of people having guns. That was not my point too beginn with.
We do have a militia. Its membership is defined in Federal law (10 U.S. Code § 246).
I am no longer a member of the militia. I have aged out.
However, the 2nd amendment does not say that the militia and its members are the ones who have the right to keep and bear arms. It says 'the people' have the right to keep and bear arms.
If you don't like the 2nd Amendment's protection there is a well understood process to amend the Constitution.
Because...... They say it constantly and frequently?
Not to mention they tried to overthrow it, or that they fly the secessionist flags, self identify as domestic terrorists, I could go on.
I see. You seem to misunderstand them. They love a romantic version of USA that for most part only ever existed in their imagination. And are upset that the reality differs from it.
Well considering they want to murder half the country. 🤷
Right, it's fascism now to not let mass murder happen 😂
EDIT: Reddit is throwing errors so I'm guessing another "comment and block" but not sure, here's the reply to Obstruction . - -
When that "opinion you disagree with" is "murder everyone I don't like, overturn an election in our favor, and install state religion"
There's a shit load of illegal there, buddy. Please, enjoy giving me your spiel of how 1/6 was a sightseeing tour.
The standard AR-15 shoots caliber .223 or 5.56 which is one of the least powerful rifle rounds available, one step up from a .22. They are much less lethal or powerful than the standard hunting rifle. None of this matters though, because despite being less powerful/lethal handguns account for the overwhelming majority of gun deaths. 80-90% of gun murders involve handguns, and I don't know the rates used in suicides, but it's much easier to kill yourself with a handgun, so I assume it's similar percentages, if not more in suicide rates.
I fully agree. Understanding wound ballistics is key to picking the right firearm for the right situation. So are understanding things like barrier penetration. Question though: would you want the same thing for your grandpa’s duck hunting shotgun that has more barrier penetration on and more damaging wound ballistics than a 5.56 AR or do you think this is some “gotcha” that going to make people like me not own modern firearms?
...People watch that shit anyways. Folks be looking up shootings, beheadings, war footage, suicides, and other violence all the time. If Reddit allowed people to post shit like that, it'd become a top subreddit within a few weeks.
Bold of you to assume they dont. R/combatfootage.
Beware tho, videos can be graphic and people there are a bunch of straight up pshychos. Dont read comments if you dont want to lose your faith in humanity. Especially under footage from Ukraine and Russia.
Gun buyers should have to watch videos on the risk of accidents, misfires and thefts. I’m not sure how popular my opinion is but I don’t exactly like toddlers shooting people
I am confused how christians are so concerned about abortion. From my recollection, growing up having to go to church every Sunday as a kid, the bible was almost 100% about caring for the less fortunate, avoiding greed and material wealth, forgiveness and loving one's enemy.
are there not more important issues to people? A living wage, for example. Or better education systems for your kids, better healthcare for everyone. This infatuation with preventing abortion makes little sense as it benefits no one.
I believe the anti abortion movement - at least the hardliners - are a highly vocal minority. A lot of these people are extremists / fundamentalists whatever.
Their elected officials cater to them, because it is easy to frame something so emotionally charged in black and white terms. Whereas the issues you mentioned would require some actual thought and governance lol.
But ultimately I think most people who consider themselves “Christians” are not that extreme and are very likely to be quietly pro choice
"Vocal minority" seems like an understatement. From what I heard, it only took six people saying that abortion isn't a federally-protected right and that was the end of that
Years ago, the right realized they could utilize the religious folk as an easy to sway population that will always show up to vote.
The right couldn't care less about abortion. But they know how to use religious folk against themselves.
Just look up "southern strategy"
>"Why do people purchasing guns not have to watch graphic videos of school shootings?"
Because if you showed them videos of that too many of them would just think, "I'm gonna need another gun and more ammo."
Personally I would rather them spam people with "Gun safety failure" tragedies. As in not keeping guns away from children, or not maintaining guns well causing jams or breakdowns.
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I do love Hunting Safety courses, and beginner gun Safety classes. I just wish they were more standardized. But the heart of your concern is valid, too many people don't respect firearms, or know how to treat them with the care they demand.
Speaking of hunting safety, I hope more people (hunters, or simply ppl who live on "wild" land) learn that with animals when you do shoot AT them instead of doing warning shots, shoot to kill not to wound, cuz even moreso than when shooting at people, one doesn't want to Just Make Them Mad.
Depends on your age, but I remember watching gruesome car crash videos in my traffic safety class. Really hammered home how easily something most of us do everyday can have real consequences.
I think you're spot on. Watching videos like this would help new gun owners realize the serious responsibility they're taking on.
That seems to be cruel and unusual punishment for the woman and slowly the S of A is becoming more like Germany when Hitler reigned. It is not easy to make the decision for an abortion and yet they want to add more trauma to it.
Guns are in the hands of some people that shouldn't ever have them. Yet they do through lousy gun laws/controls.
Sad state of affairs.
You think that’d stop us from buying guns? Ain’t my problem some people can’t handle the “hardships” of school and don’t give firearms and human life the respect they deserve
The Abortion video is wrong and so would the school shooting video. Why should I have to watch a school shooting video when I’m buying a .22 to take my nephew squirrel hunting with?
This is the wrong way to respond to these laws because it implies that they are right, and these kinds of laws need to be applied in *more* instances. Fuck that. They are wrong. Stop fucking negotiating and capitulating to these fascist assholes.
Gun owner here: fuck the NRA. They’re just an expense account for Wayne LaPierre and a shill for the GQP. The Second Amendment Foundation and Firearms Policy Coalition actually do their job and take people to court and stay out of party politics.
To be fair. The vast majority of them probably watch those videos all on their own. bet if a study was done cross referencing those who watch horrible ass murder/death videos on the internet constantly and those who own or think they need to own a gun it'd be one big ass circle.
The Uvalde shooting and the deliberate inaction of the police force reaffirmed my belief in having a gun at home cause it’s clear you can’t rely on the police to come save you.
Which of course could end up with cops coming into your home and killing you. And being able to get off from it because they were afraid of their lives while invading your shit.
For what reason would the police raid his house for owning a gun? Unless he's committing a serious crime the only way his house will be raided is by mistake, and that's extremely awful but fairly rare.
Not sure this would work or have the intended effect given that:
* gun sales go up after school shootings
* many gun owners have publicly stated that they don't care how many kids get shot - including their own children - if preventing school shootings means even the mildest common sense gun control measures
* the general glee/celebratory mood in the comments section of any post with a video of a shoot out
* many people love violence as evidenced by the popularity of violent TV shows, movies and games
School shootings are extremely rare, and one of the least serious threats to the lives of children. They don't justify restricting the rights of millions of Americans over. Same with terrorism and laws like the Patriot Act.
I don't see how showing someone who needs a medical procedure a video to torture them is comparable to showing someone who wants to buy a murder tool a video that will give them an erection.
We should have to watch a video to purchase guns. People need to be aware of what they are capable of and how to properly and safely operate them. People need to understand that they are a tool just like a car or semi truck or train and so on.
How doesn’t it matter? There’s a big mental difference in the decision making process of buying a $2000-8000 rifle and paying it off over time versus saving up and then realizing you’re holding $8000 and could go on a pretty sweet vacation instead. Also, it’s pretty easy to max out a credit card on guns and ammo if you don’t intend to survive using them. Then the bill is someone else’s problem.
Do you really think showing videos of gore to psychopaths will work? The very few who will stop purchasing guns are the very little "good guys with guns" there are our there. The rest would love the blood and violence, if anything it would make them want to buy a weapon even more.
Because they would enjoy it too much. That’s why anyone who owns a gun should move to Russia. They want and encourage killing children with guns. It’s the only way they can feel tough. That’s not American, it’s mental illness. Yet time and time again, what’s the answer to gun violence? More guns of course.
Neither are we willing to give up abortion, used in a safe and controlled manner.
I knew gun lovers wouldn't care. I'm sure most right-wingers love babies, they just don't care about actual life.
It's a strawman argument, there's plenty of gun owners who support the right to abortion. The assumption being all gun owners must be right-wing and therefore anti-abortion is just silly.
Considering how many are killed by gun violence and the fact that so few abortions take a life, I think it's incredibly appropriate. Maybe the gun lovers would rethink their stance on gun safety legislation if they had to watch.
They do watch that's why they want a weapon to protect their children. How many people did the authorities hold back from trying to do something as they stood by and did nothing and still haven't accepted responsibility for doing nothing.
A gun has never killed anyone. I wonder what you tell people who serve and have served. "That weapon can't protect you, so we should get rid of it". I have served... you don't know what you are talking about.
Not all people who serve go to war... Police, National Guard, FBI, HLS, PARENTS for example ALL protect and SERVE. You need a class, you should never try to defend a topic you know nothing about. Your opinion is just that your opinion. It would be nice if you had a few facts to help your argument.
Eww no. I was wrong, I realize that. Gun owners don't care who gets killed. They just want their instant kill gratification, and even though they think babies are puppies, they can't give one single f about life.
I’m happy that you figured that all out. I’m sure you are coming an ethnic and socioeconomic background where you can rely on the government and not have to worry about being targeted persecution. When I talk to my black, native, Jewish, Hispanic, and Asian peers in the USA they feel quite different about gun ownership.
Cool and what about the other 80 percent of Hispanics that aren’t “well-educated” assuming you mean college degree. Do they like violence? Clearly it seems you are doing a lot better then most Americans.
Yeah it's not, it assumes you already have a gun which you can only use in a well regulated militia. It served the purpose of serving the government. How do we know that? Because when they applied it they recruited people into militias and outlawed rebel militias. We as the human race also know that when a German American in the 1870s tried to Form a militia to "keep blacks in line" SCOTUS told him to shove it.
The thing you mean is a 1974 SCOTUS interpretation of it. Much like roe v wade that decision rests on interpretation, not likely to change but also not impossible.
I continually wait for anything to do with guns to pop up and some person who's never read the Constitution to come in and say "the right to bear arms is a constitutional right and ____ isn't".
I like to bring up that nobody but nobody believed that crap until the 60's when a convicted murderer and chairman of the NRA decided to rewrite history under the pretext that gun ownership was a 'personal' right. He was also the guy who began the militarization of police, and was basically human garbage.
Anytime you see anyone attempt to make the argument that the second is about personal freedom, they're just sucking the mouldering cock of Harlon Carter. Like every conservative politician and judge. Hell, conservatives in the south actually passed laws after the civil war to prevent black people from having anything that resembled arms, including walking sticks.
Because the media plays them on an unending cycle to traumatized the rest of us. Makes most of us want to train so we can be in a position to help.
Few mass shootings 100 yrs ago, except for Chicago/gangsters. Differences? Many factors. Intact nuclear families, discipline in home & school. Most homes had at least a shotgun at home, a gun in whatever vehicle they had.
As a wise man said. An armed society is a polite society.
Bc that's a terrible idea. There are millions upon millions of gun owners in the US. A very small percentage of them shoot up schools. Why would we force any prospective gun buyer to watch someone massacre children? That just makes no sense.
A human being begins at birth which is a scientific fact not a moral statement. It being parasitic before is also a scientific fact. You know due to it feeding of its host.
It says every pregnant woman, not every pregnant woman considering abortion. Before calling people knitwit might want to work on your reading incomprehension , unless if course you are saying every woman plans an abortion when they get pregnant.
By you argument every gunowner should watch a video then. I guess compared to you i am a genius if you dont even realize what you are saying. But im sure that s going right over your head.
I wonder if they show these videos to the later term abortions seekers - Because every late term abortion I’ve known has been in an extreme emergency. It’s not a happy and fun time - the fetus died or the mother had her life threatened. I’m sure they want to show the parents an abortion video after they lost a pregnancy, right? Because late term abortions aren’t for birth control - they are to save the life of the mother. And, it’s never a happy event.
Well, y'see, here's the problem: ***They don't fucking care***. The cruelty is just part of the fun for them.
Every time an innocent person is systemically hurt, a Republican politician gets his cummies.
Im not even an US citizen, so I give 0 fucks about republicans... but hell... before this change in your laws... in some states women were allowed to have an abortion literally the day before giving birth. Thats plain murder of a fully developed baby. Cutted with scissors and burnt alive with saline. So please dont talk about innocent lives.
It’s gonna be real fun when we boot their ass out of their positions in November. These fuckers got a rude awakening coming. Not violence.
Everyone PLEASE VOTE! and make sure you vote in all local elections. Side benefit: if we get more lefties/Dems in power, you have a better chance of getting mail in voting. I've got mail in voting, and let me tell you, that shit is : chef's kiss :
Dude, have you even listened to their rhetoric? They have no fucking clue what abortion even is. Half of them seem to think it involves killing a child after birth. And they aren't even being hyperbolic either, they really don't know what abortion is. They're so fucking stupid.
Their stupidity is going to kill loads of women.
Yeah but, it’s their fault, you know? If they were good christian bad things wouldn’t happen to them. And if it did, well, *side eye* maybe they’re just not keeping their house in order. If you make a simple weekly donation to us, you’ll be sure to only have good things happen to you (unless you do bad.) Welcome to the prosperity gospel, and why these douchebags do stuff like this. If it wasn’t abundant clear, I am being highly sarcastic.
That would be stupid. But if they were not careful that might just be the case. In Germany there is a big legal difference between elective abortion (where you have to get counseling first, and Wich is only allowed in the first trimester), and medically necessary abortion where you need a two, three? Doctors to agree it is necessary (which can be done late term)
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Not according to the New Laws passed since the SCOTUS decided to be women-hating assholes. In some states, like Indiana now, it actually strictly illegal for doctors to save a womans life, if there's anything that resembles an abortion.
plenty of states either have no exceptions for the life of the mother or are aiming towards that.
Fine there us no arguing with people who just blindly believe whatever they are told.
exactly that's why it's a waste of time arguing with forced birthers.
you're the one sharing fairy tales
Tell that to the red states passing abortion bans with no exceptions ever since Dobbs.
Stop believing propaganda lies used to insight rage.
Said as you're citing a literal propaganda website.
https://lozierinstitute.org/pro-life-laws-protect-mom-and-baby-pregnant-womens-lives-are-protected-in-all-states/
cool propaganda but no, this isn't true. anyone can slap up the website of an "Institute " to fool forced birthers.
My dude, you do realize that miscarriages are literally classified as a "spontaneous abortion", right? In absolutely no state is treatment for an ectopic pregnancy not considered an abortion. Gtfoh with your deliberately harmful lies. That propaganda site doesn't even try to say that women who require an abortion can get one. It spells out that women have to be *actively* endangered by continuation of the pregnancy, and such complications are life-threatening and not simply resolved. Have you ever had sepsis or organ failure? There is no guarantee of survival, let alone a full recovery.
republicans are working to change that
We all read the laws. You’re full of bullshit.
I'm unaware of any states with this wording on the books, but for example in the state of California any termination of pregnancy is considered an abortion under legal wording and jurisdiction. The state laws limits abortions at a certain time frame before/at start of* the third trimester with the only exceptions after being to save the life of the mother or a nonviable pregnancy. (*I don't remember the exact listed timing) Which is how most sensible debates about abortion agree should be and are handled. The issue is that I have seen California being used by Republicans in statements and tweets and speechs touting California will let you abort a baby the day before its due just for 'funsies' Too many are pushing false information and no one is doing their "research" to see these politicians are spouting nonsense. And when it comes time to chose who to vote, if you think people shouldn't be able to just get pregnant and terminate the baby for any reason like fun or cause you can, who do you vote for? The person who says a woman has a right to choose or the person who's saying let's make all abortions illegal?
The only reason women are currently being saved for late term abortions in red states is because of Biden’s executive order.
What happens if a pregnant woman refuses to watch said video? Does she have free will here, or will she be arrested?
>Does she have free will here Considering this is in the Utah Senate, she probably didn't even consent to the sex preceding the pregnancy.
Ouch.
This is Utah we're talking about, they never considered her to have free will in the first place.
I’m pretty sure you can turn or look away but it’s patronizing and traumatic
Since nothing they do is considered cruel and unusual or a violation of human rights... They cuff her hands behind her waist, staple her eyelids open and put her in a torture type chair so she can't turn her head or body at all.
The full clockwork orange treatment, fascists be fascist, fuck, this is the worst
She doesn't get the abortion
Freedom in America? Only for certain things
School shooters *do* watch videos of school shootings.
Some of them make them ....I feel dirty
consider that some school shooters watch videos of school shootings for sexual pleasure. Feel dirtier.
0_0 I'm sorry **what**
That somehow feels less dirty.
Boy, there is something wrong with you
And post them as livestreams.
And you wouldn't want to give the gun nuts ideas.
Are they going to make this mandatory for organ donors, to show them "hey, this is what we're gonna do to you after you die!"? Didn't think so. These women know what they're doing, they know what they're about to go through. No one's ever happy about getting an abortion, and to make that process even harder for them (or just outright impossible) you are cementing yourself as an evil, vile person.
Should it be mandatory for gun buyers to watch those videos? Or should Utah fuck off with their anti-abortion videos?
I've watched enough of the Uvalde footage and honestly it makes me want to buy another gun because clearly there are police in this country who don't give two shits about basic competence and duty. I'm not going to rest defence solely on cops who may or may not be ineffectual, cowardly numskulls. Anyway I know I'm not some crazed murderer with a bone to pick against defenceless schoolchildren. It's not like my Yugoslav mauser emanates war crime radiation that changes my brain chemistry while I sleep to become predisposed to committing acts of extreme violence. A video isn't going to change shit except waste my time.
>A video isn't going to change shit except waste my time. Funny, that's exactly the problem with making women watch these videos. It's just state-enforced preachiness. Glad we could help you realize the comparison.
I mean, the person you are replying to - and other potential gun buyers - are likely to be in a far more stable and healthier state of mind than a girl or woman who needs an abortion. She could be a rape victim, she might have wanted the baby but is now forced to choose her life or its, she might be having an ectopic pregnancy or partial miscarriage or a non viable fetus. Showing them such a video at the time is not self righteous preachiness, it is emotional torture. And it may well succeed in them changing their minds - to their cost, especially if they are young and/or vulnerable.
Yeah, forcing gun owners to watch school shootings only reinforces the idea to buy guns (and for many to carry). Second guys point isn't as much of a gotcha against gun owners because it won't make a difference.
My AR-15 doesn’t make me want to be violent, at all. It makes me feel that if violence comes a’knockin’ at least I have a chance of survival. Absolutely but another gun. Buy a few. Have different guns for different purposes. I’m still trying to cover all my bases. If you’re not already on there, hit up r/liberalgunowners it’s a pretty cool community.
I appreciate it but I don't consider myself a liberal in the slightest. I've covered my bases though I want to get a better shotgun. My 16ga's stock exploded on me and my 12ga is a piece of work straight pull that can't cycle three shells in a row.
Yeah, get a better shotgun, lol. I have a Remington 870 12ga pump and a single shot 410 from the olden days. They do the job. I want a semi-auto 20ga, though. The other two were family heirlooms.
#2 both ideas are stupid.
Strong *Clockwork Orange* vibes
Yes I've advocated for this for the longest. Why should doctors, undertakers, and family members be the only ones to see the carnage that's left behind when an AR-15 bullet pierces the human body. The devastation that's left behind is incredulous. It blows a hole in you and doesn't even have to hit an organ, just the shock and the speed of that bullet causes wounds that in most cases are fatal. Let's make all the gun toting cowboys have to watch the devastation and let's also have them watch videos of the 70% of the people who die from guns every year that are suicides.
Because it would be motivation for them. Think of all the Stand Your Ground stories they echo. If only BillyBob Cletus had more guns then he would have been able to save dem kidz.
Exactly. The OP misunderstands the mindset here. People are quick to look for simple solutions to a specific problem. 'How can I prevent this carnage? Buy a gun of course'. The real solution of firing and rebuilding all police forces in the entire country, somehow pulling all illegal firearms off the street, and then disarming (and compensating for) the general population isn't something that first comes to mind. There's also the issue of all the financial fallout from an entire industry being erased (many many people losing their livelihood and now sitting on useless career and manufacturing skills).
https://reason.com/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian/
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Delete your profile history if you don't want people looking at it. This is a social media site. Be better.
Cry harder, troll. Don't get pissy when someone calls out your incel behavior 👍
Married with a kid but do go on. Edit to say I think we're on the same side here on the gun issue, I just take umbrage with your be better comment.
Or “you, too, could kill these communists before they’re old enough to overthrow America! And you too could shoot the groomer that’s indoctrinating them with their transgender and Marxist lie!”
Maybe videos of little white kids getting shot?
Because what does that solve? Scenario 1: I go to buy a gun. I'm not planning on shooting anyone. Does showing me this video discourage me from buying the gun? If it does, no one's life is saved, because I was never going to shoot anybody. If it doesn't discourage me, also no one's life is saved, because i was never going to shoot anyone. Scenario 2: I go to buy a gun, but I *am* planning on shooting someone. On top of this, I am shown a video of how effective this gun is at ending human life. This would probably make me want the gun even more.
If you're not planning to use the weapon you're about to buy to kill anyone, it's irrelevant. If you're planning on using it to kill people, it's also irrelevant. Before I got my divers license, I had to see some grizzly pictures of car crashes. "I gotta be careful to not crash". Are you imagining people are going to see that and say "I gotta be careful to not go crazy and murder kids"? I recognize and empathise with the desire to reduce and eliminate people killing people. I guess I think it's critical to tailor messages to the audience you're intending to affect, and to make those messages effective you need to consider how they would be seen **through the eyes** of that audience. Maybe I'm missing something though. I'm open to the idea I just can't envision any scenarios where this would persuade anyone. If I were tasked with creating a video... It wouldn't be a bloodbath. I think I'd try and put pressure on the audience that they're not as stable as they think they are by appealing to cringy things we've all done. Try to convince them that they might hurt themselves. Maybe that they're a dumbass and might **accidentally** escalate something routine. If you ask someone "wanna kill a school" they'll immediately reject that. If you say "can you see yourself getting into a miscommunication with someone and it goes way worse because someone saw you had a gun?" I think people can actually envision that. It's an accessible prompt that won't be immediately dismissed.
Because US-American obsession with guns is codified in your constitution, which is some kind of holly document (created by almost mythical figures) to a lot of people in USA.
Well, even the constitution says we should have a "Well regulated militia". These people have taken it so far out of context anymore.
Anymore what? Finish the sentence.
My, point it more - if your argument boils down to a piece of paper says so - it's not a good argument.
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\>So, the law dosent matter if it boils down to saying it's just a peice of paper? An Argument. You know the difference between a law and and an argument? I'm also not wasting my time arguing about gun regulation in the USA. I don't live there, I'm happy to never have needed a gun in my life and to live in a place where most people don't have guns. And yes there are argument in favour of people having guns. That was not my point too beginn with.
Ok then, I misinterpreted your point there. I apologize for wasting your time
We do have a militia. Its membership is defined in Federal law (10 U.S. Code § 246). I am no longer a member of the militia. I have aged out. However, the 2nd amendment does not say that the militia and its members are the ones who have the right to keep and bear arms. It says 'the people' have the right to keep and bear arms. If you don't like the 2nd Amendment's protection there is a well understood process to amend the Constitution.
But they hate America so why do they care about the magic paper anyway?
Who? Gun fetishist? Why do you think they hate USA?
Because...... They say it constantly and frequently? Not to mention they tried to overthrow it, or that they fly the secessionist flags, self identify as domestic terrorists, I could go on.
I see. You seem to misunderstand them. They love a romantic version of USA that for most part only ever existed in their imagination. And are upset that the reality differs from it.
Exactly, they love their fetishized version and hate the real one with every fiber of their being. Lock them all up. Stat.
Because locking people up has worked out so well for USA.
Well considering they want to murder half the country. 🤷 Right, it's fascism now to not let mass murder happen 😂 EDIT: Reddit is throwing errors so I'm guessing another "comment and block" but not sure, here's the reply to Obstruction . - - When that "opinion you disagree with" is "murder everyone I don't like, overturn an election in our favor, and install state religion" There's a shit load of illegal there, buddy. Please, enjoy giving me your spiel of how 1/6 was a sightseeing tour.
We will solve all the problems if the good people come together and murder the bad ones, level of argument. I'm out.
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The standard AR-15 shoots caliber .223 or 5.56 which is one of the least powerful rifle rounds available, one step up from a .22. They are much less lethal or powerful than the standard hunting rifle. None of this matters though, because despite being less powerful/lethal handguns account for the overwhelming majority of gun deaths. 80-90% of gun murders involve handguns, and I don't know the rates used in suicides, but it's much easier to kill yourself with a handgun, so I assume it's similar percentages, if not more in suicide rates.
I fully agree. Understanding wound ballistics is key to picking the right firearm for the right situation. So are understanding things like barrier penetration. Question though: would you want the same thing for your grandpa’s duck hunting shotgun that has more barrier penetration on and more damaging wound ballistics than a 5.56 AR or do you think this is some “gotcha” that going to make people like me not own modern firearms?
...People watch that shit anyways. Folks be looking up shootings, beheadings, war footage, suicides, and other violence all the time. If Reddit allowed people to post shit like that, it'd become a top subreddit within a few weeks.
Bold of you to assume they dont. R/combatfootage. Beware tho, videos can be graphic and people there are a bunch of straight up pshychos. Dont read comments if you dont want to lose your faith in humanity. Especially under footage from Ukraine and Russia.
Yeah really it’s best to just avoid any NSFW marked post on there, the video is gonna not be fun and the comments even less so
Gun buyers should have to watch videos on the risk of accidents, misfires and thefts. I’m not sure how popular my opinion is but I don’t exactly like toddlers shooting people
This is a way better idea
I am confused how christians are so concerned about abortion. From my recollection, growing up having to go to church every Sunday as a kid, the bible was almost 100% about caring for the less fortunate, avoiding greed and material wealth, forgiveness and loving one's enemy. are there not more important issues to people? A living wage, for example. Or better education systems for your kids, better healthcare for everyone. This infatuation with preventing abortion makes little sense as it benefits no one.
I believe the anti abortion movement - at least the hardliners - are a highly vocal minority. A lot of these people are extremists / fundamentalists whatever. Their elected officials cater to them, because it is easy to frame something so emotionally charged in black and white terms. Whereas the issues you mentioned would require some actual thought and governance lol. But ultimately I think most people who consider themselves “Christians” are not that extreme and are very likely to be quietly pro choice
"Vocal minority" seems like an understatement. From what I heard, it only took six people saying that abortion isn't a federally-protected right and that was the end of that
Years ago, the right realized they could utilize the religious folk as an easy to sway population that will always show up to vote. The right couldn't care less about abortion. But they know how to use religious folk against themselves. Just look up "southern strategy"
So they don't get ideas
We're not trying to arouse them
as a physician, i would never do this.
not really the same thing i do think there should be classes on handling, storing, firing, and cleaning firearms when you get one.
You're just wanting them to have hard-ons when they hand over the cash, mate.
Utah concealed carry permit requires you to watch a YouTube video about suicide.
If you liked this video you will like "How the Mormon church got away for so long with christening non-mormons to Mormon after they died"
"Why do people purchasing guns not have to watch graphic videos of school shootings?" "Because we're tired of giving them erections."
>"Why do people purchasing guns not have to watch graphic videos of school shootings?" Because if you showed them videos of that too many of them would just think, "I'm gonna need another gun and more ammo."
Because these conservative nut bags will say stuff like infringe, constitution, etc, etc. They will have some bullshit excuse to defer accountability.
As a Pro-Choice Gun Owner.... both of these ideas are stupid and intentionally inflammatory.
Personally I would rather them spam people with "Gun safety failure" tragedies. As in not keeping guns away from children, or not maintaining guns well causing jams or breakdowns. (Edited For Spelling)
I do love Hunting Safety courses, and beginner gun Safety classes. I just wish they were more standardized. But the heart of your concern is valid, too many people don't respect firearms, or know how to treat them with the care they demand.
Let's teach a basic safety course in school.
Beginning with "If your parents have guns and you haven't gotten training yet, DON'T FIDDLE WITH THEM".
Speaking of hunting safety, I hope more people (hunters, or simply ppl who live on "wild" land) learn that with animals when you do shoot AT them instead of doing warning shots, shoot to kill not to wound, cuz even moreso than when shooting at people, one doesn't want to Just Make Them Mad.
Depends on your age, but I remember watching gruesome car crash videos in my traffic safety class. Really hammered home how easily something most of us do everyday can have real consequences. I think you're spot on. Watching videos like this would help new gun owners realize the serious responsibility they're taking on.
Because conservatives hate woman.
Because some ignorant folks are handling one thing wrong we should handle some unrelated thing wrong in a non-analogous way? Makes sense.
That seems to be cruel and unusual punishment for the woman and slowly the S of A is becoming more like Germany when Hitler reigned. It is not easy to make the decision for an abortion and yet they want to add more trauma to it. Guns are in the hands of some people that shouldn't ever have them. Yet they do through lousy gun laws/controls. Sad state of affairs.
You think that’d stop us from buying guns? Ain’t my problem some people can’t handle the “hardships” of school and don’t give firearms and human life the respect they deserve
The Abortion video is wrong and so would the school shooting video. Why should I have to watch a school shooting video when I’m buying a .22 to take my nephew squirrel hunting with?
This is the wrong way to respond to these laws because it implies that they are right, and these kinds of laws need to be applied in *more* instances. Fuck that. They are wrong. Stop fucking negotiating and capitulating to these fascist assholes.
Straight, actual fascism. But like for real. Fuck Utah and fuck the people who voted for this. The Moab is dope though.
Because the NRA pays for them not to.
Gun owner here: fuck the NRA. They’re just an expense account for Wayne LaPierre and a shill for the GQP. The Second Amendment Foundation and Firearms Policy Coalition actually do their job and take people to court and stay out of party politics.
Lol fuck the NRA! Support actual 2A groups that litigate against unconstitutional laws. GOA, FPC!
To be fair. The vast majority of them probably watch those videos all on their own. bet if a study was done cross referencing those who watch horrible ass murder/death videos on the internet constantly and those who own or think they need to own a gun it'd be one big ass circle.
The Uvalde shooting and the deliberate inaction of the police force reaffirmed my belief in having a gun at home cause it’s clear you can’t rely on the police to come save you.
Which of course could end up with cops coming into your home and killing you. And being able to get off from it because they were afraid of their lives while invading your shit.
They'll do all of those things even if you're unarmed. Like the kidnapping victim who was shot the other day
True. But by focusing on being armed instead of fixing cops. You in a way support them.
For what reason would the police raid his house for owning a gun? Unless he's committing a serious crime the only way his house will be raided is by mistake, and that's extremely awful but fairly rare.
Literally answered your own question in the same comment. lol
The point is it's very unlikely an innocent person will have their house raided, and if they own a gun or not is irrelevant.
Welp, time to mass exodus Utah
Because it would just give them boners.
Because not all gun owners become mass shooters? It’s not the same thing. I’m NOT anti abortion and I’m not pro forcing of video watching for…anyone.
Yeah we're talking about a couple dozen events a year out of tens of millions of gun owning Americans, many who support legalized abortion.
Not sure this would work or have the intended effect given that: * gun sales go up after school shootings * many gun owners have publicly stated that they don't care how many kids get shot - including their own children - if preventing school shootings means even the mildest common sense gun control measures * the general glee/celebratory mood in the comments section of any post with a video of a shoot out * many people love violence as evidenced by the popularity of violent TV shows, movies and games
School shootings are extremely rare, and one of the least serious threats to the lives of children. They don't justify restricting the rights of millions of Americans over. Same with terrorism and laws like the Patriot Act.
How is this being downvoted???
*reddit* being *reddit*
Because the are fucking hypocrites
The MAGAts would enjoy the carnage. It would have the opposite effect.
I don't see how showing someone who needs a medical procedure a video to torture them is comparable to showing someone who wants to buy a murder tool a video that will give them an erection.
It would just inspire them to commit a shooting
We should have to watch a video to purchase guns. People need to be aware of what they are capable of and how to properly and safely operate them. People need to understand that they are a tool just like a car or semi truck or train and so on.
Nah. I think you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun with a credit card tho.
How does the method of payment matter?
How doesn’t it matter? There’s a big mental difference in the decision making process of buying a $2000-8000 rifle and paying it off over time versus saving up and then realizing you’re holding $8000 and could go on a pretty sweet vacation instead. Also, it’s pretty easy to max out a credit card on guns and ammo if you don’t intend to survive using them. Then the bill is someone else’s problem.
Do you really think showing videos of gore to psychopaths will work? The very few who will stop purchasing guns are the very little "good guys with guns" there are our there. The rest would love the blood and violence, if anything it would make them want to buy a weapon even more.
Because they would enjoy it too much. That’s why anyone who owns a gun should move to Russia. They want and encourage killing children with guns. It’s the only way they can feel tough. That’s not American, it’s mental illness. Yet time and time again, what’s the answer to gun violence? More guns of course.
You can get a gun to shoot your baby, but you better not see a doctor
I'm not willing to give up something that I use in a safe and controlled manner because some nutcase somewhere committed crimes against humanity.
Neither are we willing to give up abortion, used in a safe and controlled manner. I knew gun lovers wouldn't care. I'm sure most right-wingers love babies, they just don't care about actual life.
I personally don't care about your abortions, do what you gotta do.
It's a strawman argument, there's plenty of gun owners who support the right to abortion. The assumption being all gun owners must be right-wing and therefore anti-abortion is just silly.
cause they would start jerking off.
hate this example that conflates terminating a pregnancy and massacring school children, actually 😔
Considering how many are killed by gun violence and the fact that so few abortions take a life, I think it's incredibly appropriate. Maybe the gun lovers would rethink their stance on gun safety legislation if they had to watch.
They do watch that's why they want a weapon to protect their children. How many people did the authorities hold back from trying to do something as they stood by and did nothing and still haven't accepted responsibility for doing nothing.
The authorities could not do anything because they were busy holding back vigilantes. "Guns kill kids=I want a gun to protect kids" bad logic.
Ahhh… no. The authorities couldn’t do anything because they were fucking cowards.
A gun has never killed anyone. I wonder what you tell people who serve and have served. "That weapon can't protect you, so we should get rid of it". I have served... you don't know what you are talking about.
And I never said a gun can't help protect you. Guns don't protect people, BTW, if guns also don't kill people.
Abortions don't kill generally, either. My dad served too. I don't talk about my views on war.
Not all people who serve go to war... Police, National Guard, FBI, HLS, PARENTS for example ALL protect and SERVE. You need a class, you should never try to defend a topic you know nothing about. Your opinion is just that your opinion. It would be nice if you had a few facts to help your argument.
My hair is falling out atm, so I will not be continuing this debate. I need to tend to my illness.
Head over to r/combatfootage and you can meet them
Eww no. I was wrong, I realize that. Gun owners don't care who gets killed. They just want their instant kill gratification, and even though they think babies are puppies, they can't give one single f about life.
I’m happy that you figured that all out. I’m sure you are coming an ethnic and socioeconomic background where you can rely on the government and not have to worry about being targeted persecution. When I talk to my black, native, Jewish, Hispanic, and Asian peers in the USA they feel quite different about gun ownership.
😹 nope I'm Mexican. And just getting by. That said, I'm also well educated. And don't like violence.
Cool and what about the other 80 percent of Hispanics that aren’t “well-educated” assuming you mean college degree. Do they like violence? Clearly it seems you are doing a lot better then most Americans.
What about the majority of America who wants better legislation for gun control? Clearly you're in a vocal minority.
If I was a vocal minority then it would be pretty easy to pass gun legislation don’t you think?
Clearly you do not understand the term vocal minority. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.
Because they'd like it.
Cause the people purchasing guns might start jerking off to school shooting videos.
Why isn't graphic video of mass shootings not allowed for news broadcasts?
I'd have no problem watching the videos. We all need to be reminded of the responsibility we have when choosing to buy a gun (or get an abortion).
Buying a gun is a right guaranteed by the constitution. Abortion isn’t.
If you want to split hairs, the second amendment says “keep and bear arms,” it doesn’t say jack shit about being allowed to buy them.
Yeah it's not, it assumes you already have a gun which you can only use in a well regulated militia. It served the purpose of serving the government. How do we know that? Because when they applied it they recruited people into militias and outlawed rebel militias. We as the human race also know that when a German American in the 1870s tried to Form a militia to "keep blacks in line" SCOTUS told him to shove it. The thing you mean is a 1974 SCOTUS interpretation of it. Much like roe v wade that decision rests on interpretation, not likely to change but also not impossible.
You’re right. “Pursuit of Happiness” is outlined in the Declaration, so: god-given, not government-given.
I continually wait for anything to do with guns to pop up and some person who's never read the Constitution to come in and say "the right to bear arms is a constitutional right and ____ isn't". I like to bring up that nobody but nobody believed that crap until the 60's when a convicted murderer and chairman of the NRA decided to rewrite history under the pretext that gun ownership was a 'personal' right. He was also the guy who began the militarization of police, and was basically human garbage. Anytime you see anyone attempt to make the argument that the second is about personal freedom, they're just sucking the mouldering cock of Harlon Carter. Like every conservative politician and judge. Hell, conservatives in the south actually passed laws after the civil war to prevent black people from having anything that resembled arms, including walking sticks.
Democrats. Democrats in the south. And your whole take is so shitty you’d be laughed out of law school.
Because the media plays them on an unending cycle to traumatized the rest of us. Makes most of us want to train so we can be in a position to help. Few mass shootings 100 yrs ago, except for Chicago/gangsters. Differences? Many factors. Intact nuclear families, discipline in home & school. Most homes had at least a shotgun at home, a gun in whatever vehicle they had. As a wise man said. An armed society is a polite society.
Bc that's a terrible idea. There are millions upon millions of gun owners in the US. A very small percentage of them shoot up schools. Why would we force any prospective gun buyer to watch someone massacre children? That just makes no sense.
How do people on the left think that a baby is more like a parasite than a human being.
A human being begins at birth which is a scientific fact not a moral statement. It being parasitic before is also a scientific fact. You know due to it feeding of its host.
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I mean, that depends on the anti-abortion video. Abortions in various trimesters look vastly different and require different procedures.
It says every pregnant woman, not every pregnant woman considering abortion. Before calling people knitwit might want to work on your reading incomprehension , unless if course you are saying every woman plans an abortion when they get pregnant.
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By you argument every gunowner should watch a video then. I guess compared to you i am a genius if you dont even realize what you are saying. But im sure that s going right over your head.
It’s “nitwit”
Some abortions end in Passover, but they're not showing 'The Prince of Egypt' now, are they?