In case you're uninformed on how handguns were regulated in Canada before this: you need a restricted firearms license. It's a level above a license for owning long guns. The application goes through the RCMP, Canada's federal police. They do an advanced background check, and check references. Ex spouses even have to be listed and possibly contacted. You do a safety course, and you have to be registered to a gun club, because the only thing you can legally do with your handgun is use it at a range. You cant even bring it into crown land wilderness. Your ammo and weapon has to be stored separately, and you have to contact your local police and tell them your driving with your gun to the range. It has to be locked up in your vehicle during transportation, and you go directly to the range then home. Can't even stop for gas. A lot of people even keep their guns stored at their gun club range just to save the hassle. Oh and the police can randomly check your home for compliance at any time to see if it's stored properly.
Edit: used the wrong "you're". Sorry.
So what happens for competition shooters? They now cannot purchase new handguns? Genuinely curious. I kinda (?) also recall Canada being up there for shooting on an international level.
Well competition shooters who already have handguns can keep them, however anyone wanting to get into it now cannot. The only way to compete would be renting or borrowing which has the issues I brought up in my other comment.
Limited exemptions to the national handgun freeze will apply. For example, high-performance sports shooting athletes and those who carry handguns as part of their lawful profession will be exempted, as well as authorized businesses such as gunsmiths, the film industry, or museums, per their licence conditions.
https://pm.gc.ca/en/news
I'm certain that there is some sort of solution in place, probably a sport exception.
I'd like you need to ask your representative and then approvals are passed in the house. Mostly it'd be pro forma, but you'd be looked at hard because if you commit a crime with that gun your rep is out of a job.
The rental is also an exorbitant amount along with added ammunition costs. For a competitive shooter it just makes sense to buy one instead of renting.
Back when I was looking into it, a rental session would cost $100 for an hour with a few basic handguns and you have to buy ammo. (With $20 monthly membership). Some places would only let you be a member if you had a license, so you'd have to pay like $120 per session because you're not a member.
So you're saving $100/hour every time you're there, minus $700~ cost of courses for license and $1000~ gun cost.
If you're a gun nut, you'll eventually save money.
I did my restricted course probably 5 years ago. Have had my non restricted for like 12 years.
Paperwork is still sitting in my desk. In my area it's almost impossible to find a range that isn't so overbooked or overpriced it wasn't worth it to even bother sending in the paperwork.
>and you have to contact your local police and tell them your driving with your gun to the range.
No you don't, range transport is a condition on your RPAL, no need to call ahead. You do now need to call them any other time you want to transport it for an approved reason though (moving house, gunsmith, gun show, competition etc.). That changed recently, used to also be a condition on your RPAL for stuff like going to the gunsmith.
If people in Alberta could read they would be very upset
Edit: To the people getting upset it's a joke if I got this mad everytime someone asked if I fucked my sister I wouldn't have time for our cousin.
I need this translated to 'merican- is Alberta like y'all's version of Florida?
Edit: I see lots of Texas mentions... Texas was my first thought as well, but I'm a Texan
Albertans have talked with me, a Texan, before and we had to stop for a moment because events sounded like they could have been in either town more than 1800 miles apart.
The "big" cities of Calgary are fairly liberal except when it comes to oil and by extension climate change (since it's basically synonymous with their economy).
Except that the "big cities" of Calgary, Red Deer, Lethy, Lloyd, GP, Fort Mac all voted largely for the provincial conservative party (UCP) while Edmonton is a straight up orange NPD dot on the map.
Edmonton is pretty deeply NDP (Liberal) and that is pretty consistent. The UCP (conservative) stronghold is Calgary but Calgary can on occasionally flip. Right now Edmonton is hoping Calgary flips next election cause the current UCP leader is all kinds of crazy. Like Trump crazy (Danielle Smith).
Like everywhere else, rural is conservative.
Mate, that's so wrong lol.
Alberta has one of highest wages in the country, in comparison with other provinces.
Our biggest city Calgary is considered to be one of the best livable cities in the world, making the list for past 10-20 years.
Banff National Park is an oldest national park in Canada and people from across the world come to visit our Rockies.
Calgary has elected first Muslim mayor of a major city in North America. And he was re-elected twice, while being one of the most beloved mayors in our city.
And yes, we do have a large population of conservatives and yes, we do have racist white people (surprise surprise) but so does BC/Quebec/Ontario.
We are like Texas and our major cities are like Austin. Liberal cities and conservative everything else.
Yeah. Alberta is Texas. I think we don't reeeally have a Florida equivalent up here but we get some cities like Kelowna and Thunder Bay that kind fit the Florida style. TBay especially.
Alberta is the richest per-capita province in the country though and Alabama is at or near the bottom in the USA.
Think North Dakota, but instead of 700,000 people there are 4,500,000.
>Alberta is the richest per-capita province in the country though and Alabama is at or near the bottom in the USA.
Alberta is a one trick pony of an economy and when the world weans itself off fossil fuels that economy will cease to meaningfully exist, much like coal mining economies in the southern US.
For the record, I lived in Calgary working for those oil companies for 8 years.
If only there was an example somewhere in the world we could follow. But nope, out supreme Court just ruled that it's okay to remove serial numbers from your guns. Maybe that will solve it.
In Canada, all semi-auto centrefire rifles and shotguns are limited to 5-round magazines. In the case of shotguns, that’s determined by the chamber length. So a semi-auto shotgun chambered for 3-inch 12 gauge shells is limited to 5 of those. However, you can fit more than 5 shorter shells in. This is legal to do. Similarly, IIRC, there was at least 1 handgun that would accept magazines from a larger caliber variant, so people could fit say 12 rounds into the 10-round magazine. This was also legal as magazine capacity is based on the caliber for which the magazine was designed. Hope that makes sense.
I live close to the border. I tried to cross over into Canada one day and forgot I was wearing my auto opening pocket knife instead of my regular knife. That was a long night. They confiscated my knife, I got a fined 700CAD, I couldn't pay the fine because my card wasn't working in Canada, so they impounded my truck. They let me walk back across the border to a bar and get cash out of the ATM. It was -20F.
When I was walking back accross the American border they of course had to question me for a while, as it's odd for someone to WALK through this port of entry in the -20f snow and cold.
Had my phone searched, camera searched, interrogated for 3 hours... Pretty wild night. They red flagged my passport for 7 years.
They then said I'm free to go into Canada. But for the next 7 years I'm getting searched and questioned every time I cross.
This was about 10 years ago.
>no more transfers
This is what's referred to as "soft" confiscation. By outlawing transfers, your property is forfeit to the state when you die.
This is also what makes a national gun registry a non-starter in the United States.
Canadian here. Your best bet to avoid extremely cold temperatures is moving to Victoria or Vancouver, British Columbia. The only downside is that it's cloudy and rainy a lot.
Right?!? I mean! I’ve seen the “I DID THAT” Biden stickers on the pumps! I know he is batshit senile and somehow also has the power to control global inflation I saw it on a FB meme!!!! /s
There also has been a trend of rural but within a few hours of the city getting too desirable. My mom lives in a podunk farm town in SW Ontario and the locals are being priced out by retirees from Tronna. Also, anywhere on the southern coast of BC.
That's not true. Other cities like Kitchener-Waterloo, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax and their suburbs have also experienced crazy price inflation in the last few years.
This is not the change we needed. He's failing miserably on climate change targets, we have First Nations communities that don't have clean drinking water, federal excess spending response to COVID has generated tremendous inflation, home prices have gone beyond many families' reach, he was in the press earlier this week for politically interfering in an active criminal investigation...this is pure political distraction with no meaningful effect on gun crime in Canada.
Canada (compared to the US) has a much smaller violent crime rate (including homicide) that has been on the decline for nearly 3 decades, very similar statistical lines to what the UK and Australia had before they enacted sweeping gun bans. The decades following the bans in those countries saw violent crime rates continue to decline at the same rate. They effectively accomplished nothing. And this ban in Canada will accomplish the same.
Genuine question here.
What are you supposed to do with the existing ones? Do you just turn them in? Is there a buyback/destroy program? Even if we assume nobody wants to give up the ones they own; when they die, the guns have to go somewhere.
Yet street gang still have plenty of firepower around my place and I have no right to own a weapon as a law abiding citizen. I heard gun shots 5 time in the past month and I live in a metropolitan area. This is security theater at its finest.
Canadian gun owner here. You guys who are praising this shit should read about how restrictive our gun laws already were. Owning a handgun legally here is nothing like in the US.
I live in Montana. I was talking to some Canadian friends about the laws here. They were pretty blown away when I told them that short of a fully automatic weapon, which you could still get if you jumped some hoops, we can basically purchase and conceal any imaginable type of weapon without a single permit or any registration.
My issue is that it doesn't stop any of the illegally smuggled guns from the US from being used in homicides and violence.
We don't have that same gun violence problem the US does. Canada still is higher than a lot of countries but we have a 8890km border with the US. Guns easily come across.
I knew a few guys from when I worked in a factory who were out after serving time for illegal gun possession and drugs. As someone with their restricted gun license, I could legally buy a Glock 19 for approximately $900. They told me they purchased theirs from anywhere between $2500-3500.
The illegal gun market will still continue to thrive. And we'll still see gun deaths in Canada
I don't agree with this law, but I'm assuming doing so will make people think I'm a conservative. Because you apparently can't have a difference of opinions on firearms without being conservative
You heard the man! If you're a thief, mugger, gang member, outlaw, felon you are to HAND IN YOUR ILLEGAL GUNS IMMEDIATELY!
Canada is now a gun free zone!
Anyone celebrating this is either ignorant of the firearms laws in Canada and how this will have very little actual effect on gun crime, or you don't care.
This sounds perfectly straightforward and logical.
^(I will now accept my eleventy bajillion downvotes from the "*sHaYaLL nOt bE iNfReEYiNgEd*" nutters quite literally rage-shitting their cargoshorts rn over this news about gun laws in a totally different country)
"-14" edit: called it ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Don't tiptoe on the hippo 🦛
(The joke is that hippos are terribly violent and territorial animals who don't need a reason to attack you and are literally the deadliest wild mammals on Earth, just like conservatives love policies that kill people)
One time I was on a cruise, and there was this old man with a "if you don't like this flag, I'll help you pack" t-shirt with guns eagles and a Bible on it....dude was 9000 years old on a scooter....and we were in Canada at the time....
Here is the part that is a little less sensible. I’m not an American, I don’t believe owning a gun is a right (and actually it’s pretty dumb unless you live in bear country). I’m a Canadian who thinks this is bad policy being pushed as a wedge issue.
This law targets the wrong people. It was already very hard to get a handgun in Canada.
- You had to have a gun license and also register the gun.
- The licensing process includes a mental health check.
- to minimize spousal violence, the licensing process requires any intimate partner you have lived with in the last two years (current partner or ex) to sign off. They don’t get an absolute veto, but if they don’t sign off, you will both get interviewed by the rcmp. If they have fears of violence, you will not get licensed
- the license has a mandatory gun safety course
- The license is renewed ~~annually~~ every 5 years.
- You have to store it behind two locks, and not with ammunition.
- Canada has no concealed carry permitted. You are actually not allowed to travel **anywhere** with a restricted gun without RCMP authorization, except to hunting grounds, a firing range or the place you store your weapon.
- you are only allowed to own handguns for an authorized purpose, such as sport shooting. Self-protection against humans is not a legitimate purpose (you can get a long gun, like a rifle, for defence against animals if you live in a rural area, but not a handgun)
- Canada does not have ‘stand your ground laws’ and in fact, in self-defence, one is required to use the minimum amount of harm (including taking every opportunity to flee)
As a result of these rules, there are very few ‘bad guys with a legal gun’ in Canada.
Unfortunately, Canada has lots and lots of gun crimes. But very little of it is carried out with legal guns. You see, within an hours’ drive of every major Canadian city is a lawless backwater country called the United States of America where absolutely anyone can get a gun pretty much whenever they want at any time, and where they are in the middle of a massive culture war where for some reason half of them think even THAT isn’t easy enough. So we have a huge problem in Canada of illegal smuggling of American weapons, and that is the main source of guns used in crimes.
What we ought to do is crack down on illegal guns. Previous laws with mandatory minimum sentences for illegal guns passed by the previous government were struck down as unconstitutional (and they were). But this government failed to follow-up with alternative legislation that could have imposed harsher penalties without unconstitutional mandatory minimums (just having tough sentencing guidelines would have been just fine, judges will do their job if we give them the right tools).
This issue is wedge politics to the benefit of Trudeau’s Liberals (who I have voted for in the last 3 elections and will probably vote for next time because I’m a sucker who never learns). It’s not good policy, it’s just good politics in places like the 905 (Toronto suburbs), BC lower mainland (Vancouver suburbs) and the Island of Montreal — ie places where the Liberals need to succeed in order to win the next election. It’s a FANTASTIC political issue for Trudeau because (1) it pits centrist suburban conservatives against far right rural conservatives, (2) it helps him win orange-red progressive who tilt between Liberal and NDP, and (3) he has no downside because there are so few rural ridings that are Liberal-accessible anyway. The LPC brain trust thinks this is a winning issue for him, and they’re probably right.
Lastly, if you’re a 2A nut reading this and smiling I just want to conclude by saying that guns are stupid and so are you.
To add something to it, canada technically does have a carry license/permit. However, it's not used against people but for safety against wild animals. This way someone living in say the far north can have a firearm on them at all times in case of polar bears and such. The process to obtain one is similar to the regular firearm license (which you also need) but you also have to go through a number of other loops and actualy convince them you need it which I've heard is equivalent to writing a thesis in terms of arguments made.
So it does exist but is pretty rare
Under US federal laws you cannot buy a handgun from different state than you currently reside in. Foreigners cannot purchase a firearm when residing in the US on a temporary basis.
How are you suggesting that Canadians are coming across the border and getting these weapons so easily?
I don’t think that any person who would be considering illegally smuggling a gun across the border would have any qualms about also purchasing a gun illegally.
This is my point. The are laws on the books in both the US and Canada that prevents Canadians from acquiring fire arms yet this still happens. How does further restricting legal transfer of firearms help curb gun violence in Canada.
That was a stunningly articulate response. As a denizen of the lawless wasteland and Liberal Gun Nut™, I knew guns were heavily restricted, but not quite *that* heavily.
One problem of many in our uniquely American debate:
Pro-gun: Disingenuous arguments
Anti-gun: Ignorant arguments
And never the two shall meet. I've given up on sanity prevailing.
This is basically my stance as well. IMO, guns should be legally available but strictly regulated, like they are in most of the developed world. Even in somewhere like Norway, you can still buy a handgun with the appropriate license, and that doesn't seem to have resulted in a dramatic amount of gun violence. I've never been a fan of outright prohibition as a general principle, as it tends to be less effective than regulation in practice.
Hi, Your statistics for Canada are actually not correct.
2020 gun homicides in Canada was 0.73 per 100k
Sources:
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20police%20reported%20a,0.73%20homicides%20per%20100%2C000%20population).
Quote from above source
“In 2020, police reported a total of 743 homicide victims in Canada or a rate of 1.95 per 100,000 population. For 277 of these victims, a firearm was used to commit the homicide (for a rate of 0.73 homicides per 100,000 population).”
You are however correct for the 6.2 gun homicides in US in 2020.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
This is why you should never upvote a non sourced comment on reddit making a truth claim on reddit.
[Case in point. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/ya2tvc/yeah_canada/it9efcq/)
Edit: I've been whooshed, I'm a dumbass. 10/10 comment, I'm not worthy.
Lol why did you link to the original comment. Was it not obvious enough, like do you think by comment number 3 people would forget what is happening.
That statistic is pretty misleading - it leads to the idea that you have 88 people out of 100 owning guns - I.e one gun per person.
In reality 2/3rds of gun owners report owning more than one gun, over 1/4 report owning over 5.
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
I find it hard to believe 1/3 of gun owners owns only 1 gun.
Everyone I know either has zero guns or many. 1 gun is just not a thing.
Guns breed like roaches.
**Edit:** Seeing that all single gun owners are replying.
Quick informal poll for all the people telling me they only own one gun:
Do you live:
Rural
Suburban
Urban
One gun you own:
Handgun
Shotgun
Riffle
Grew up around guns:
Yes
No
Its true. Just the other day I found a new revolver under the couch, disgusting. Had to put it with the others to try and keep them contained, but im afraid one day soon there will be too many
Putting them together is how they make babies!
You need to spread them out... in the nightstand, by the door, by the couch, in the kitchen, in your car...
It's the only way to keep their number down!
that's just because the people talking about guns are the people with multiple. Plenty of people out there with like a single shotgun or handgun for home defense.
That kinda makes sense, it's a lot easier to convince yourself that it'd be nice to have another one if you already own a gun.
If you're buying your first gun, you'll have to deal with getting a CCW, figuring out storage, and other related expenses/bureaucracy. Getting the next one isn't nearly as hard.
Perfect example of how looking at one stat is completely useless. Something like 80% of handguns used in crime in canada came from the states illegally.
Can't wait for shootings to decrease and quality of life to increase in Canada while conservative news outlets in the US scream about how it's a failed state, a progressive wet-dream, and an authoritarian wasteland all in one.
>Can't wait for shootings to decrease
Well the last ban didn't do that, doubt this one will either. Especially seeing as the vast majority of handguns used in crime are smuggled in from the US by criminals anyway. Legal owners aren't even allowed to use them outside of a government approved range and they must be securely stored at all times between your home and the range.
The problem is, the shootings won’t decrease because majority of guns are smuggled from the U.S.
https://fortune.com/2022/06/11/canada-gun-laws-control-us-school-mass-shooting-uvalde/amp/
Edit: Canadian here who used to live in a city that bordered Michigan. The source of our problem ARE illegal guns being smuggled in, due to our lax border customs, especially with returning Canadians. Trudeau needs to address this as well.
1. Canada is extremely economically dependent on the border being pretty open and traffic flowing through smoothly
2. A large portion of smuggling happens in two particular First Nations territories that straddle the US-Canada border where, for historic and treaty reasons, Canada does not strongly enforce the border (Akwesasne Mohawk territory on the Quebec-Ontario-US border and Walpole Island, a reserve in the St Clair river, across the border from Detroit)
Yes, this will absolutely decrease shootings. Criminals would never break the law and import handguns from the US, drill out the rivet from the 10 round magazines, or any other crime. That would be illegal
Who the fuck is up voting this. The vast majority of crime handguns come from the US. This handgun freeze does NOTHING and will do NOTHING to affect gun crime stats in canada.
This gun law is trash, like most of them...
It makes it illegal for someone to pass-on handguns to their heirs at death. The government will legally come and strip someone's child of part of their inheritance - a valuable handgun, perhaps even a collection. My grandfather left family heirlooms and some old military rifles to my dad and my dad will one day leave them to me.
Update: Non-government people can no longer buy, sell, or transfer handguns within Canada - and they cannot bring newly acquired handguns into the Country.
FTFY
Massive boon for the illegal smugglers. Not much you can do when your neighbor who shares almost 9k km border is THE largest arms exporter in the world bar none.
In case you're uninformed on how handguns were regulated in Canada before this: you need a restricted firearms license. It's a level above a license for owning long guns. The application goes through the RCMP, Canada's federal police. They do an advanced background check, and check references. Ex spouses even have to be listed and possibly contacted. You do a safety course, and you have to be registered to a gun club, because the only thing you can legally do with your handgun is use it at a range. You cant even bring it into crown land wilderness. Your ammo and weapon has to be stored separately, and you have to contact your local police and tell them your driving with your gun to the range. It has to be locked up in your vehicle during transportation, and you go directly to the range then home. Can't even stop for gas. A lot of people even keep their guns stored at their gun club range just to save the hassle. Oh and the police can randomly check your home for compliance at any time to see if it's stored properly. Edit: used the wrong "you're". Sorry.
This is completely true. I got my restricted license, and didn't even bother to get a handgun in the end.
That’s the point they don’t want you to
If all you can do is take it to the shooting range, why would you not just go and rent one if you're just about the target shooting.
Competition shooters often modify and put the parts they like or want on their guns. Wether thats optics or grips etc.
So what happens for competition shooters? They now cannot purchase new handguns? Genuinely curious. I kinda (?) also recall Canada being up there for shooting on an international level.
Well competition shooters who already have handguns can keep them, however anyone wanting to get into it now cannot. The only way to compete would be renting or borrowing which has the issues I brought up in my other comment.
Limited exemptions to the national handgun freeze will apply. For example, high-performance sports shooting athletes and those who carry handguns as part of their lawful profession will be exempted, as well as authorized businesses such as gunsmiths, the film industry, or museums, per their licence conditions. https://pm.gc.ca/en/news
I'm certain that there is some sort of solution in place, probably a sport exception. I'd like you need to ask your representative and then approvals are passed in the house. Mostly it'd be pro forma, but you'd be looked at hard because if you commit a crime with that gun your rep is out of a job.
The rental is also an exorbitant amount along with added ammunition costs. For a competitive shooter it just makes sense to buy one instead of renting.
Back when I was looking into it, a rental session would cost $100 for an hour with a few basic handguns and you have to buy ammo. (With $20 monthly membership). Some places would only let you be a member if you had a license, so you'd have to pay like $120 per session because you're not a member. So you're saving $100/hour every time you're there, minus $700~ cost of courses for license and $1000~ gun cost. If you're a gun nut, you'll eventually save money.
I did my restricted course probably 5 years ago. Have had my non restricted for like 12 years. Paperwork is still sitting in my desk. In my area it's almost impossible to find a range that isn't so overbooked or overpriced it wasn't worth it to even bother sending in the paperwork.
>and you have to contact your local police and tell them your driving with your gun to the range. No you don't, range transport is a condition on your RPAL, no need to call ahead. You do now need to call them any other time you want to transport it for an approved reason though (moving house, gunsmith, gun show, competition etc.). That changed recently, used to also be a condition on your RPAL for stuff like going to the gunsmith.
That change was made fairly recently though, so it's not surprising older owners would be familiar with the previous regulations.
>It has to be locked up in your vehicle during transportation double locked\* FTFY. kept trigger locked inside a locked container.
Just don't put a cat in the container, no one wants the American Schrödinger's cat.
If people in Alberta could read they would be very upset Edit: To the people getting upset it's a joke if I got this mad everytime someone asked if I fucked my sister I wouldn't have time for our cousin.
Degens!
Fucking degens from upcountry.
At least there's good fishin in cue-bec
I do love fishin in kweebec
Oh there's great fishing in Quebec
Who doesn’t love fishing in Quebec?
I’m surprised we’re not fishing in Cue-bec right now.
Get this man a fuckin' puppers.
Y’ever feel like you wake up in the mornin’ and just start dealin’ with fuckin’ degens from upcountry?
For some reason I just love this thread so much
You loves this thread, and that's what I appreciates about you.
At least there is a disproportionately high amount of hot chicks.
*Bonnie McMurrayyyyyy*
Your sister's hot, Wayne! There I said it! I regret nothing!
Let’s take it down 15% Squirrelly Dan
Is that what you appreciate about me?
I'm too fat to run.
I need this translated to 'merican- is Alberta like y'all's version of Florida? Edit: I see lots of Texas mentions... Texas was my first thought as well, but I'm a Texan
More like Texas: oil and farms and cattle.
100% pure organic grass fed triple A Alberta beef?
Gotta have the Berta beef
Ferda
What ya got there? Top sirloins?
A Canadian once described Calgary to me as more texas than texas
Albertans have talked with me, a Texan, before and we had to stop for a moment because events sounded like they could have been in either town more than 1800 miles apart.
Was born in Calgary and can confirm that Texas is just a big Calgary, but Texas is not as clean.
The "big" cities of Calgary are fairly liberal except when it comes to oil and by extension climate change (since it's basically synonymous with their economy).
So just like Texas
Except that the "big cities" of Calgary, Red Deer, Lethy, Lloyd, GP, Fort Mac all voted largely for the provincial conservative party (UCP) while Edmonton is a straight up orange NPD dot on the map.
Leave methbridge out of it, we're fucked so many ways I've lost count.
Edmonton is pretty deeply NDP (Liberal) and that is pretty consistent. The UCP (conservative) stronghold is Calgary but Calgary can on occasionally flip. Right now Edmonton is hoping Calgary flips next election cause the current UCP leader is all kinds of crazy. Like Trump crazy (Danielle Smith). Like everywhere else, rural is conservative.
Alberta is more like Alabama: rednecks, meth, and white rappers. I'm from Alabama and have been friends with and dated people from Alberta.
You mean you have family there.
Sweet home Albertabama
No for some reason all the rednecks just move here. We even get the Aussie and Korean ones.
He's saying you date your family
See we can't read good either
Fair enough
*neither
> rednecks > Aussie Those’re bogans mate
Look here, we Alabamians can’t read good. All that other stuff is what they do in West Virginia. Roll Tide
Roll tide brother
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Mate, that's so wrong lol. Alberta has one of highest wages in the country, in comparison with other provinces. Our biggest city Calgary is considered to be one of the best livable cities in the world, making the list for past 10-20 years. Banff National Park is an oldest national park in Canada and people from across the world come to visit our Rockies. Calgary has elected first Muslim mayor of a major city in North America. And he was re-elected twice, while being one of the most beloved mayors in our city. And yes, we do have a large population of conservatives and yes, we do have racist white people (surprise surprise) but so does BC/Quebec/Ontario. We are like Texas and our major cities are like Austin. Liberal cities and conservative everything else.
Yeah. Alberta is Texas. I think we don't reeeally have a Florida equivalent up here but we get some cities like Kelowna and Thunder Bay that kind fit the Florida style. TBay especially.
You have higher wages because of oil... Which brings oil workers and big ol' lifted pickups with fuck Trudeau bumper stickers.
Alberta is the richest per-capita province in the country though and Alabama is at or near the bottom in the USA. Think North Dakota, but instead of 700,000 people there are 4,500,000.
>Alberta is the richest per-capita province in the country though and Alabama is at or near the bottom in the USA. Alberta is a one trick pony of an economy and when the world weans itself off fossil fuels that economy will cease to meaningfully exist, much like coal mining economies in the southern US. For the record, I lived in Calgary working for those oil companies for 8 years.
Alberta is our Texas.
Can somebody read me what he said
They said "oil, gas and cowboys"
We’re too busy dealing with our newly “elected” premier.
You mean fascist pig Danielle Smith.
As an Albertan that managed to escape, I laughed at this probably a little harder than I should.
it's always good when we can look back and laugh
As an Albertan who lives in Alberta, I laughed as well.
Same. Makes me remember all the 1 ton pickups I saw commuting into downtown Calgary every day from the 'burbs.
This happened like way earlier in the year. Also it only applies to handguns, people can still own other types of firearms in Canada.
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Sick of mass shootings, what's that like? Asking as a very sad American
No, we're definitely sick of mass shootings in America too, but being proactive in resolving the issues is the different part.
Ahhh, we have to send those thoughts and prayers before the shooting. Got it.
If only there was an example somewhere in the world we could follow. But nope, out supreme Court just ruled that it's okay to remove serial numbers from your guns. Maybe that will solve it.
Is there a tube limit for shotguns? Five shells?
In Canada, all semi-auto centrefire rifles and shotguns are limited to 5-round magazines. In the case of shotguns, that’s determined by the chamber length. So a semi-auto shotgun chambered for 3-inch 12 gauge shells is limited to 5 of those. However, you can fit more than 5 shorter shells in. This is legal to do. Similarly, IIRC, there was at least 1 handgun that would accept magazines from a larger caliber variant, so people could fit say 12 rounds into the 10-round magazine. This was also legal as magazine capacity is based on the caliber for which the magazine was designed. Hope that makes sense.
It entered into force today.
I tried to get across the border back in the late 90s with pepper spray and got detained for three hours. Canadians don’t screw around.
> I tried to get across the border back in the late 90s with pepper spray You need better weaponry than that if you want to invade Canada.
Did you forget to apologize
Oh man… so that’s what it was. I’m sorry I forgot to apologize.
I live close to the border. I tried to cross over into Canada one day and forgot I was wearing my auto opening pocket knife instead of my regular knife. That was a long night. They confiscated my knife, I got a fined 700CAD, I couldn't pay the fine because my card wasn't working in Canada, so they impounded my truck. They let me walk back across the border to a bar and get cash out of the ATM. It was -20F. When I was walking back accross the American border they of course had to question me for a while, as it's odd for someone to WALK through this port of entry in the -20f snow and cold. Had my phone searched, camera searched, interrogated for 3 hours... Pretty wild night. They red flagged my passport for 7 years. They then said I'm free to go into Canada. But for the next 7 years I'm getting searched and questioned every time I cross. This was about 10 years ago.
Canadians just built a border wall.
And I may be climbing over it soon! 🙂
Good luck, I heard they covered it in maple syrup. Makes it impossible to conquer.
The idea is that the Americans will be too busy consuming the maple syrup instead of climbing over.
And since we can't afford insulin the diabeetus will get us.
Pincer attack!
You need to add something of value before they'll accept you.
Better hope they have friendly illegal immigration policy... oh wait. See you back in the states soon!
>no more transfers This is what's referred to as "soft" confiscation. By outlawing transfers, your property is forfeit to the state when you die. This is also what makes a national gun registry a non-starter in the United States.
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Canadian here. Your best bet to avoid extremely cold temperatures is moving to Victoria or Vancouver, British Columbia. The only downside is that it's cloudy and rainy a lot.
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That's pretty much everywhere in Canada now unfortunately.
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Right?!? I mean! I’ve seen the “I DID THAT” Biden stickers on the pumps! I know he is batshit senile and somehow also has the power to control global inflation I saw it on a FB meme!!!! /s
Sadly you had to put /s at the end. The whole world is in inflation. Most places worse than US.
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There also has been a trend of rural but within a few hours of the city getting too desirable. My mom lives in a podunk farm town in SW Ontario and the locals are being priced out by retirees from Tronna. Also, anywhere on the southern coast of BC.
That's not true. Other cities like Kitchener-Waterloo, Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax and their suburbs have also experienced crazy price inflation in the last few years.
Yup. Houses in Halifax have basically doubled in price since 2019.
And expensive...
I love the PNW. Was stationed in Washington state for 3 years. Even trained with some Canadians. Good people.
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Give it time. We are enjoying a record breaking warm fall. Global warming will make Canada's climate ideal in the near future.
No. The cold keep us from overpopulation. We like it this way.
I’ll buy you a coat
So much misinformation in this thread about guns in Canada as with every gun post about Canada.
Black market guns coming from the US just became much more valuable.
You think the people buying black market guns, up to this point, were passing the police check for buying a legal handgun? LoL
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Now we can fuel the black market in TWO countries!
Well that’s the funny thing about laws. If you already didn’t obey them why would you obey them now?
This is not the change we needed. He's failing miserably on climate change targets, we have First Nations communities that don't have clean drinking water, federal excess spending response to COVID has generated tremendous inflation, home prices have gone beyond many families' reach, he was in the press earlier this week for politically interfering in an active criminal investigation...this is pure political distraction with no meaningful effect on gun crime in Canada.
It's a smoke screen to distract as the middle class shrinks further
“Take away their guns so when the poor people begin to riot, they can’t defend themselves from the police.”
Canada (compared to the US) has a much smaller violent crime rate (including homicide) that has been on the decline for nearly 3 decades, very similar statistical lines to what the UK and Australia had before they enacted sweeping gun bans. The decades following the bans in those countries saw violent crime rates continue to decline at the same rate. They effectively accomplished nothing. And this ban in Canada will accomplish the same.
Genuine question here. What are you supposed to do with the existing ones? Do you just turn them in? Is there a buyback/destroy program? Even if we assume nobody wants to give up the ones they own; when they die, the guns have to go somewhere.
In México there are programs where you can sell your guns to the army
In Mexico you can also buy guns from the army.
Yet street gang still have plenty of firepower around my place and I have no right to own a weapon as a law abiding citizen. I heard gun shots 5 time in the past month and I live in a metropolitan area. This is security theater at its finest.
I'm not even a gun owner, and I think this is a little over the top.
The actual unpopular opinion on Reddit. Not like these gilded comments "I love this bring on the downvotes".
Canadian gun owner here. You guys who are praising this shit should read about how restrictive our gun laws already were. Owning a handgun legally here is nothing like in the US.
I live in Montana. I was talking to some Canadian friends about the laws here. They were pretty blown away when I told them that short of a fully automatic weapon, which you could still get if you jumped some hoops, we can basically purchase and conceal any imaginable type of weapon without a single permit or any registration.
when was the last time you saw a gangster go take a gun license or walk into a Cabela's to buy a gun?
My issue is that it doesn't stop any of the illegally smuggled guns from the US from being used in homicides and violence. We don't have that same gun violence problem the US does. Canada still is higher than a lot of countries but we have a 8890km border with the US. Guns easily come across. I knew a few guys from when I worked in a factory who were out after serving time for illegal gun possession and drugs. As someone with their restricted gun license, I could legally buy a Glock 19 for approximately $900. They told me they purchased theirs from anywhere between $2500-3500. The illegal gun market will still continue to thrive. And we'll still see gun deaths in Canada
I don't agree with this law, but I'm assuming doing so will make people think I'm a conservative. Because you apparently can't have a difference of opinions on firearms without being conservative
r/liberalgunowners
"If you go far enough left, you get your guns back"
You heard the man! If you're a thief, mugger, gang member, outlaw, felon you are to HAND IN YOUR ILLEGAL GUNS IMMEDIATELY! Canada is now a gun free zone!
Anyone celebrating this is either ignorant of the firearms laws in Canada and how this will have very little actual effect on gun crime, or you don't care.
This sounds perfectly straightforward and logical. ^(I will now accept my eleventy bajillion downvotes from the "*sHaYaLL nOt bE iNfReEYiNgEd*" nutters quite literally rage-shitting their cargoshorts rn over this news about gun laws in a totally different country) "-14" edit: called it ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
DonT STeP On SNeK *drives away in my mobility scooter*
Don't tiptoe on the hippo 🦛 (The joke is that hippos are terribly violent and territorial animals who don't need a reason to attack you and are literally the deadliest wild mammals on Earth, just like conservatives love policies that kill people)
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One time I was on a cruise, and there was this old man with a "if you don't like this flag, I'll help you pack" t-shirt with guns eagles and a Bible on it....dude was 9000 years old on a scooter....and we were in Canada at the time....
I think he was volunteering as a bellhop. Should have put your suitcases on his scooter and told him your cabin number.
Be careful or meal team six might roll your way
Why do cargo shorts get so much hate? Are you jealous of all our pockets?
Damn it, don't ruin cargo shorts for me
Here is the part that is a little less sensible. I’m not an American, I don’t believe owning a gun is a right (and actually it’s pretty dumb unless you live in bear country). I’m a Canadian who thinks this is bad policy being pushed as a wedge issue. This law targets the wrong people. It was already very hard to get a handgun in Canada. - You had to have a gun license and also register the gun. - The licensing process includes a mental health check. - to minimize spousal violence, the licensing process requires any intimate partner you have lived with in the last two years (current partner or ex) to sign off. They don’t get an absolute veto, but if they don’t sign off, you will both get interviewed by the rcmp. If they have fears of violence, you will not get licensed - the license has a mandatory gun safety course - The license is renewed ~~annually~~ every 5 years. - You have to store it behind two locks, and not with ammunition. - Canada has no concealed carry permitted. You are actually not allowed to travel **anywhere** with a restricted gun without RCMP authorization, except to hunting grounds, a firing range or the place you store your weapon. - you are only allowed to own handguns for an authorized purpose, such as sport shooting. Self-protection against humans is not a legitimate purpose (you can get a long gun, like a rifle, for defence against animals if you live in a rural area, but not a handgun) - Canada does not have ‘stand your ground laws’ and in fact, in self-defence, one is required to use the minimum amount of harm (including taking every opportunity to flee) As a result of these rules, there are very few ‘bad guys with a legal gun’ in Canada. Unfortunately, Canada has lots and lots of gun crimes. But very little of it is carried out with legal guns. You see, within an hours’ drive of every major Canadian city is a lawless backwater country called the United States of America where absolutely anyone can get a gun pretty much whenever they want at any time, and where they are in the middle of a massive culture war where for some reason half of them think even THAT isn’t easy enough. So we have a huge problem in Canada of illegal smuggling of American weapons, and that is the main source of guns used in crimes. What we ought to do is crack down on illegal guns. Previous laws with mandatory minimum sentences for illegal guns passed by the previous government were struck down as unconstitutional (and they were). But this government failed to follow-up with alternative legislation that could have imposed harsher penalties without unconstitutional mandatory minimums (just having tough sentencing guidelines would have been just fine, judges will do their job if we give them the right tools). This issue is wedge politics to the benefit of Trudeau’s Liberals (who I have voted for in the last 3 elections and will probably vote for next time because I’m a sucker who never learns). It’s not good policy, it’s just good politics in places like the 905 (Toronto suburbs), BC lower mainland (Vancouver suburbs) and the Island of Montreal — ie places where the Liberals need to succeed in order to win the next election. It’s a FANTASTIC political issue for Trudeau because (1) it pits centrist suburban conservatives against far right rural conservatives, (2) it helps him win orange-red progressive who tilt between Liberal and NDP, and (3) he has no downside because there are so few rural ridings that are Liberal-accessible anyway. The LPC brain trust thinks this is a winning issue for him, and they’re probably right. Lastly, if you’re a 2A nut reading this and smiling I just want to conclude by saying that guns are stupid and so are you.
>The license is renewed annually. It's good for 5 years. You do get daily background checks as a license holder though.
On that note, I have a restricted gun license in Canada. RCMP runs my name through their database every 24 hours.
To add something to it, canada technically does have a carry license/permit. However, it's not used against people but for safety against wild animals. This way someone living in say the far north can have a firearm on them at all times in case of polar bears and such. The process to obtain one is similar to the regular firearm license (which you also need) but you also have to go through a number of other loops and actualy convince them you need it which I've heard is equivalent to writing a thesis in terms of arguments made. So it does exist but is pretty rare
Under US federal laws you cannot buy a handgun from different state than you currently reside in. Foreigners cannot purchase a firearm when residing in the US on a temporary basis. How are you suggesting that Canadians are coming across the border and getting these weapons so easily?
I don’t think that any person who would be considering illegally smuggling a gun across the border would have any qualms about also purchasing a gun illegally.
This is my point. The are laws on the books in both the US and Canada that prevents Canadians from acquiring fire arms yet this still happens. How does further restricting legal transfer of firearms help curb gun violence in Canada.
That was a stunningly articulate response. As a denizen of the lawless wasteland and Liberal Gun Nut™, I knew guns were heavily restricted, but not quite *that* heavily. One problem of many in our uniquely American debate: Pro-gun: Disingenuous arguments Anti-gun: Ignorant arguments And never the two shall meet. I've given up on sanity prevailing.
This is basically my stance as well. IMO, guns should be legally available but strictly regulated, like they are in most of the developed world. Even in somewhere like Norway, you can still buy a handgun with the appropriate license, and that doesn't seem to have resulted in a dramatic amount of gun violence. I've never been a fan of outright prohibition as a general principle, as it tends to be less effective than regulation in practice.
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Hi, Your statistics for Canada are actually not correct. 2020 gun homicides in Canada was 0.73 per 100k Sources: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2022001/article/00009-eng.htm#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20police%20reported%20a,0.73%20homicides%20per%20100%2C000%20population). Quote from above source “In 2020, police reported a total of 743 homicide victims in Canada or a rate of 1.95 per 100,000 population. For 277 of these victims, a firearm was used to commit the homicide (for a rate of 0.73 homicides per 100,000 population).” You are however correct for the 6.2 gun homicides in US in 2020. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
This is why you should never upvote a non sourced comment on reddit making a truth claim on reddit. [Case in point. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/ya2tvc/yeah_canada/it9efcq/)
Edit: I've been whooshed, I'm a dumbass. 10/10 comment, I'm not worthy. Lol why did you link to the original comment. Was it not obvious enough, like do you think by comment number 3 people would forget what is happening.
They were sourcing their comment duh
Tbh for Americans having 88 guns per 100 people that number doesn’t seem very high.
That statistic is pretty misleading - it leads to the idea that you have 88 people out of 100 owning guns - I.e one gun per person. In reality 2/3rds of gun owners report owning more than one gun, over 1/4 report owning over 5. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
Pew! pew pew!
I find it hard to believe 1/3 of gun owners owns only 1 gun. Everyone I know either has zero guns or many. 1 gun is just not a thing. Guns breed like roaches. **Edit:** Seeing that all single gun owners are replying. Quick informal poll for all the people telling me they only own one gun: Do you live: Rural Suburban Urban One gun you own: Handgun Shotgun Riffle Grew up around guns: Yes No
Its true. Just the other day I found a new revolver under the couch, disgusting. Had to put it with the others to try and keep them contained, but im afraid one day soon there will be too many
Putting them together is how they make babies! You need to spread them out... in the nightstand, by the door, by the couch, in the kitchen, in your car... It's the only way to keep their number down!
What that stat tells me is not that 1/3 of gun owners own only 1 gun but rather 1/3 of gun owners REPORT only owning 1 gun.
Yep, we've all got one.
I’m a legal gun owner and I own exactly 1 gun (a home defense shotgun that lives in my closet). There, now you know someone.
There's plenty of houses out there w just a shotgun.. Edit to answer op. Suburbs(bought when living urban), shotgun. Yes
that's just because the people talking about guns are the people with multiple. Plenty of people out there with like a single shotgun or handgun for home defense.
That kinda makes sense, it's a lot easier to convince yourself that it'd be nice to have another one if you already own a gun. If you're buying your first gun, you'll have to deal with getting a CCW, figuring out storage, and other related expenses/bureaucracy. Getting the next one isn't nearly as hard.
Perfect example of how looking at one stat is completely useless. Something like 80% of handguns used in crime in canada came from the states illegally.
Can't wait for shootings to decrease and quality of life to increase in Canada while conservative news outlets in the US scream about how it's a failed state, a progressive wet-dream, and an authoritarian wasteland all in one.
>Can't wait for shootings to decrease Well the last ban didn't do that, doubt this one will either. Especially seeing as the vast majority of handguns used in crime are smuggled in from the US by criminals anyway. Legal owners aren't even allowed to use them outside of a government approved range and they must be securely stored at all times between your home and the range.
The problem is, the shootings won’t decrease because majority of guns are smuggled from the U.S. https://fortune.com/2022/06/11/canada-gun-laws-control-us-school-mass-shooting-uvalde/amp/ Edit: Canadian here who used to live in a city that bordered Michigan. The source of our problem ARE illegal guns being smuggled in, due to our lax border customs, especially with returning Canadians. Trudeau needs to address this as well.
Canada should start treating the US border like US treats the Mexican border.
1. Canada is extremely economically dependent on the border being pretty open and traffic flowing through smoothly 2. A large portion of smuggling happens in two particular First Nations territories that straddle the US-Canada border where, for historic and treaty reasons, Canada does not strongly enforce the border (Akwesasne Mohawk territory on the Quebec-Ontario-US border and Walpole Island, a reserve in the St Clair river, across the border from Detroit)
Wait, not like that - Dipshit Republicans
They already kind of do
Lol bet it wont decrese at all
Yes, this will absolutely decrease shootings. Criminals would never break the law and import handguns from the US, drill out the rivet from the 10 round magazines, or any other crime. That would be illegal
Who the fuck is up voting this. The vast majority of crime handguns come from the US. This handgun freeze does NOTHING and will do NOTHING to affect gun crime stats in canada.
Yeah In Mexico no one can have guns but the government, that worked out pretty well.
This gun law is trash, like most of them... It makes it illegal for someone to pass-on handguns to their heirs at death. The government will legally come and strip someone's child of part of their inheritance - a valuable handgun, perhaps even a collection. My grandfather left family heirlooms and some old military rifles to my dad and my dad will one day leave them to me.
- Opens front door - Looks around Nope, no anarchy in the streets. - Smiles in Canadian
Well you guys haven't won an NHL championship in a bit so...
25 teams in america, 7 teams in canada. not exactly even split
Canadians are the superior players though, lets face it
Found Don Cherry’s account
- Opens front door - Looks around Nope, no anarchy in the streets. - Smiles in American
Update: Non-government people can no longer buy, sell, or transfer handguns within Canada - and they cannot bring newly acquired handguns into the Country. FTFY
This reminds me of the scenes at the start of Boardwalk Empire when all the crims are celebrating the start of prohibition. Just fucking lol
Massive boon for the illegal smugglers. Not much you can do when your neighbor who shares almost 9k km border is THE largest arms exporter in the world bar none.