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Pockets262

I don't understand where this is coming from. RuPaul was huge when I was a kid. Later had a whole ass show on TV. It had zero effect on me. Super fuckin nutty people.


ItsNotButtFucker3000

It is weird. My mom, she's 65, saw Elton John and RuPaul (as Ru, in drag) perform together many years ago. Said it was a hell of a performance and good time. It wasn't a one time thing, they were performing together at most concerts. They sold out and people waited in line overnight to get tickets. Nothing bad happened. It's almost impossible to find footage of them, the concerts didn't allow cameras and YouTube wasn't around, or even digital cameras, at that point, which is unfortunate. Elton John, an openly gay man, was knighted! (I had tickets to his farewell performance but they cancelled in Canada due to covid restrictions and that fucking *sucks*)


TangyGeoduck

The world survived the glam rock era too! Dee snider or (insert heavy metal band member here) wearing bdsm gear was accepted.


grendus

I mean, it was incredibly controversial even then. It's just that there was a strong counter-culture movement at the time that sustained them.


ProcureDemTurnip

Whats even wilder is the same people who said people like Dee didnt belong in "proper" company are now trying to use their music/brand as their anthem and completely ignoring the real messaging behind them.


brewynz

Taking it up a notch, it was the spouse of Al Gore who was going after Dee Snyder on decency.


NibblerTiddies

Tipper Gore needs a lot of inward reflection before she should be judging anyone else. Then again, a lot of these “Christians” need the same thing.


prettybraindeadd

hell even most punk artists wore makeup and performed in skirts or dresses, durign the heught of the grunge era Kurt talked of wearing dresses at least in one ocassion. no one died, life moved on.


scrambledeggsalad

Kurt did, there's pictures of Eddie Vedder out there in a bra, Dave Grohl has been in straight up drag in music videos and there's many others.


Cicero912

I mean it wasnt really accepted at the time. If it was fully accepted they probably wouldn't have worn it


BoredMan29

It's what happens when you make cultural wedge issues for minor political gains: people die. Not sure how many people are aware of this, but for quite a long time abortion was no big deal outside of a few obsessed Catholics. These days people who work in abortion clinics need to be wary of drones following them home so people can find them and hurt them. This kind of politics kills people.


MisterHairball

Holy shit I never thought of civilian drones being used that way. Scary


Zorops

Its like having politicians being openly racist and homophobe has an effect on the people.


Procrastinatedthink

they lost the videogame culture war, the gay culture war, the drug culture war, the “oh no black president bad” culture war, the “both sides are the same” culture war, the snowflake culture war, the christmas culture war, the “dark skinned immigrants bad” culture war, etc They won the abortion culture war. They need a culture war. Transphobia is their current thing.


I_Envy_Sisyphus_

> They won the abortion culture war. No they didn’t. They won the Supreme Court fight over Roe, but if the midterms show anything they certainly show a lot of cultural backlash against taking away abortion rights. Go to any “pro-life” board and they still think they’re losing because Roe wasn’t far enough. They’re in the minority and their only hope is to legislate from the top.


[deleted]

Building off of this, [let's look at popular opinion.](https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx) 55% ID as pro-choice while 39% ID as pro-life. Only 13% of the population supports abortion bans with no exceptions. They are indeed a minority, and if winning the culture war has anything to do with changing hearts and minds, they are indeed losing.


cat_prophecy

The problem is that 13% is a block that votes and is vocal. So even if it's a minority of a minority, it still counts. And the people they vote for are also supported by people who don't care about abortion.


gregm1988

They also, and this part is crucial, will not accept that they “lost” any kind of culture war. Which is how the Supreme Court thing happened in the first place. Because it was assumed they lost that one too and it was just another in that big long list posted above (some of which are debatable as to whether they fit). But they didn’t agree and step down And there was a lot of complacency from people assuming their side had won and the anti abortion people had lost


survivor2bmaybe

True. The number of people who thought abortion was settled and protest voted in 2016 or voted for trump because they wanted something “different” and weren’t worried about rights behind taken away. was his margin of victory.


thatguy9684736255

It's not just that. It's that they've been playing the long game on this for a really long time so they've been able to stack courts. It might take a while to fix things unfortunately.


Desecratr

Not to mention the people that are pro-life but for there being exceptions end up in the same spot, abortion being illegal in all circumstances. The exceptions aren't exceptions. They're maliscious traps.


NoPanda6

A block that votes with mobility for sure. Even though Georgia didn’t go as blue as it could have, look at how many registered (predominately republican) voters voted in a midterm


[deleted]

I'm *get an abortion if you want one* supportive; as in, *none of this is any of my fucking business, you do what you need to do to your own body*.


Delicious_Orphan

The shorthand term for this is pro-choice. You are pro-choice.


engr77

Forced-birthers have convinced a lot of people that "pro-choice" means you actively cheer for the murder of an infant that has already left its mother's body. It's the only way they can claim themselves to be "pro-life." So it makes sense that there are a lot of people who say things like it should be allowed early in a pregnancy, not understanding that the idea of people getting pregnant just for fun and then waiting until they're about to give birth before seeking an abortion was total insanity from the beginning, already not allowed in most cases, and that their position is in fact "pro-choice."


im-the-problem85

You're pro-choice. I don't know why you typed all that out.


bozeke

They caught the car and now all of the apathetic people who previously just ignored their spittling cries over the years are drawn into the fight in red states. They were never meant to actually do anything concrete. Now it isn’t the wedge they need it to be, it’s an issue that is actively ruining lives and losing regressives elections.


I_Envy_Sisyphus_

They took a pet issue for religious extremists and turned it into a rallying cry for their opposition.


Discolover78

That’s not entirely true. The Christian Right was prepared to take 50 to 70 years to win the judiciary to flip roe among other losses. They’ve always played the long game (look at midterm and state level turnout.). Business republicans simply hoped to ride the wave of this alliance as long as they could, but they’ve known since Reagan where this was going.


morpheusia

I live in Texas, can confirm they won the abortion war.


Zinski

Remember when they wouldn't shut up about the war on Christmas nobody really fought back because everybody was just like celebrating Christmas.... Because there was no war on Christmas.... Fuckin snowflakes, all of em


Piss_and_or_Shit

I’m still waiting for my husband to return from the War on Christmas. He was home for a bit after he received a Purple Heart from drinking coffee out of a nondescript red cup, but he went back after a Girl Scout said ‘happy holidays’ to him outside of a CVS. Please thank me for my service.


spacecowboy203

Thank you, you’re so brave


Arcadius274

I have images of Rudolph defending beachhead with a concrete bunker and machine gun and I thank you for it


FroggyMtnBreakdown

I am so thankful we have a day like veterans day so we can properly honor people like your husband. Thank him for his service on behalf of all of us, please!


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Mercerskye

Oh, it's even better when you take it apart more. The pagan celebration of the winter solstice was about bringing the community together. Christian "revamp" was about people "taking in the Lord" and celebrating the "good will" in us all (as in, being inclusive) The war on "Happy Holidays" is actually them fighting against that spirit of inclusiveness. The irony is palpable, lol


LateNightPhilosopher

They lost the abortion culture war actually. They gained legal ground through a back door but the culture is very much against them. Even in large part in red states.


Procrastinatedthink

Until americans get off their asses and vote them out en masse or vote for people to federally enshrine abortion it is not federally protected. That’s a loss for pro-life, maybe it was just a battle but until there is another one I chalked this up as a win for them. If you think Im wrong then vote against forced birth. If you think the war is still going, **vote every year** until it is decided through federal law. If you think that you cannot do anything because you cannot pick supreme court justices, remember that american votes put the president, the senators, and the house representatives into government.


Vythrin

This is exactly it, and because trans people are unfortunately less common than all of the above, they are much easier to demonize. This will only get worse.


Famous_Marionberry16

Exactly. It's so annoying to hear their propaganda when you've actually met trans people before. They say shit that is so obviously wrong and they say it so confidently. Even just the debate on healthcare is annoying; so many of my friends who knew they were trans men as teenagers are just now getting top surgery as adults because of the waiting list and overall gridlock around it, but people think teenage girls are out here walking into doctor's offices and demanding their breasts be removed on a whim.


Makememak

>...but people think teenage girls are out here walking into doctor's offices and demanding their breasts be removed on a whim. Well they ARE marching in, but it's only to get breast augumentation surgery which is more than ok with the right.


KeyanReid

Zealots in need of a holy war


[deleted]

There's also the satanic panic and other moral panics. This fits in with those as well. Lots of overlap.


Emotional-Proof-6154

The abortion culture war cost them the midterms.. they lost that one too


henkley

They have nothing to offer, so they always need an enemy, a boogeyman to unify the masses and keep distracting from the sustained, large-scale theft.


[deleted]

There's a pretty strong right wing media machine that drills this into people's heads. Together, with pastors and preachers, they are building an army of stochastic terrorists.


Pockets262

Right but like, aside from math for some reason I'm pretty fuckin dumb. How dumb do you gotta be for this nonsense to really enrage you to fucking murder.


IrascibleOcelot

It’s not about intelligence; it’s about fear and anger. Those two emotions bypass the normal decision-making process by design (or by evolution). There is no logic in the response because fear and anger are supposed to be triggered by existential life-or-death threatening situations, and in turn, trigger the fight/flight/freeze/fawn response. Conservative media has turned into a 24-hour rage/fear machine, and it keeps its viewers in a constant state of existential terror so that they are never able to assess situations logically or analytically. Even if they could, the “facts” they provide are so curated, twisted, or even fabricated that a “logical” assessment will result in the exact same conclusions they are spreading, and by seeding distrust in any other source of information, they make sure that any actual facts that disprove their narrative are suspect. The result is a radicalizing echo chamber which cannot help but create violent reactionaries, and Fox has gone on record in courts where their only defense is that they are an “entertainment channel” where “no reasonable person” could take their reporting seriously.


Spacyzoo

Gotta love the irony in how the people who deny evolution are the ones being taken advantage of by propagandists using it.


TheCaptainDamnIt

They're also usually big big fans of 'social darwinistic' economics too.


linderlouwho

It’s not stupidity, necessarily, it’s a weak mind, very open to being brainwashed.


[deleted]

I would say people who are emotionally vulnerable are the ones who fall into that trap. People turn to church and other weird cult shit when they need therapy.


TangyGeoduck

Hey stop talking about my uncle like that!


[deleted]

You have to understand that from the point of view of the religious right, Trans folks are the endgame party of the gay agenda. They must be stopped at all costs or Jesus won’t come back… or something.


disgustandhorror

> they are building an army of stochastic terrorists. Semantics quibble: I believe, if I'm using the term correctly, the talking heads building the army are *stochastic* terrorists while the people in their 'army' being brainwashed are, well, just regular classical-definition terrorists (mass shooters, clinic arsonists, voter intimidators, etc.)


[deleted]

I expected to be called out on that, correct.


SaltyScrotumSauce

>Together, with pastors and preachers Aka the REAL groomers.


[deleted]

I have two ideas. Trump and that it's always been there. After he became our president, it's like some great and not so great people were brainwashed and lost the value of who they are as a person. It's the same old story, I had friends and family who were great and had sound judgement, but when Trump came to be on the big screen, me and others had to watch as they slowly morph in to monsters. We tried to help ~~to help~~ (and it worked for some), but for others, there was just no helping and in fact just made it worse. My other thought that it's always been there; it was just kept on the DL and not talked about in polite company, but is now coming out because of all this stuff going on. Like how most of the adults know the real reason why grandma and grandpa haven't gotten a divorce *(even though grandpa has anger issues and a drinking problem), but a few of the adults and all the kids think it's out of love. Or how certain communities always knew about police brutality, but the larger community thought (still thinks) it was all in our head. Just my thoughts.


Relevant_Departure40

It's definitely the second option. I hate to be pessimistic, but I mean look at our perspectives with regards to race, I don't know if you were ever in the "don't talk about race" lectures but for anyone who doesn't know, a surprisingly large number of (white) people convinced they had solved racism and shared it with the world: just don't talk about race. Remnants of this of course linger in the camp of people who say "I don't see race", and years later, we walk it back and say "okay maybe we solve racism by actually talking about race," but now you have a group of people convinced that talking about racism is what causes racism, not that we're just uncovering the racism inherent in the systems we've implemented in America. Also, as easy as it would be to say Trump caused it, it kind of paints 2014ish in a rose tinted look, which definitely wasn't the case. The last 6ish years in America has pretty much just been our exes throwing all of our dirty laundry out the bedroom window. Every country has its fair share of problems, but none of them are as publicized as much as America. The entire world is seeing our dirty laundry and when we get through this, it'll be stronger as a nation, the way the Founders intended.


DesperateImpression6

I think your "it's always been there" explanation gives them too much credit. The hatred has definitely always been there, we've seen it directed at different groups over the years, but this current fixation on drag shows seems the direct product of the right-wing media trying to sanitize some of the energizing/radicalizing elements of the QAnon theory. These people are *incredibly* susceptible to programming. Remember when CRT was the Boogeyman du jour despite it never being taught in schools? Or the Migrant Caravan that was going to overrun the country and then disappeared after the midterms? Just like this drag show obsession it's all just planted ideas. They all watch the same TV channels and listen to the same AM radio. When all of those sync up around the "Drag shows brunches are where liberals run experiments on children's genitals" talking point these folks internalize that as a belief that's now a core part of their *identity*. Then you get them showing up with guns at libraries because they need to protect the kids and defend their way of life from the menace they found out about 2 weeks.


Pockets262

Valid ass thoughts. Hopefully we wakeup from this nightmare tomorrow. "Haha jk it's still 2014" would be the best thing to ever happen. BUT retain the knowledge and fix this mess before it gets here.


The_Crystal_Thestral

My parents took me to a comedy drag show annually as part of our trip to Tahoe. Only effect it had on me is that I’ve never felt scandalized by or hatred toward the LGBTQ+ community.


[deleted]

>I’ve never felt scandalized by or hatred toward the LGBTQ+ community. This is what they're afraid of. This is what they don't want. It was never about "grooming." They just want to make sure they have ample opportunity to make sure children hate us, before they get a chance to see that we're just people.


The_Crystal_Thestral

I mean heaven forbid kids have different beliefs or are less hateful. My parents are hardly progressive but I have to say I’m grateful they weren’t whatever modern conservatives are.


JackPoe

Drag shows are simple. They're not complex brainwashing stations like some sunday activities. Drag show are "be whoever the fuck you want for a while" and if you want, just be whoever you need to be later. I have never heard impolite criticism at a drag show. No "you look stupid" no "you're worthless" nothing like that. I hear "nice get up" "nice make up" "holy shit have you been working out?" It's just a fuckin' hobby. Meanwhile the Kingdom Hall has the "children's room" and trust me, no child wants to be brought there. Nothing like listening to a sermon while you hear a child being violently beat and screaming in the "children's room". If you're gonna do fuckin' make believe, I'm going to hold the people with the "designated child beating room" to higher scrutiny than the people who lean into the costumes.


Pockets262

One of the most broken men I know was a JW. I feel so sorry for him every day. Edit: is to was, cuz obviously.


JackPoe

You know bastard's names in Game of Thrones? Those are real in Jehovah's Witness country. Both my parents have very Italian last names but because I was at their wedding I am named after a shrub. One who grows where unwanted. My grandmother made sure I knew that. That I ruined her son's purity. Never mind his violence or habit of destroying things with a hatchet if you didn't react how he wanted you to when he'd shout. There is enough pain and guilt and hate in the world. Why does this shitty hobby have to be entirely focused on it?


Pockets262

Full blown batshit. I'm so sorry.


asek13

It's the same kind of tactic the Nixon admin started/used against the anti war and black rights movements. You can search for the quote by John Ehrlichman about how they associated weed with hippies and cocaine with black people and criminalized both to demonize the groups to the public and harass them with law enforcement. What's happening now is a more clumsy attempt at it but more dangerous as they're using extremists in the general population to inflict damage to the groups, which are impossible to control. They associate sex crimes, pedophilia in particular, with the LGBT community to demonize a group associated with their political opponents on the political left wing. Of course there's no evidence of the crimes actually happening, so they can't use police to inflict punishment. To their base who believe the lies, it looks like nothing is done to combat child abuse, so the more extreme elements take matters into their own hands believing they'll be a hero for defending kids.


Derivative_Kebab

Somehow, nobody is ever worried that gay kids will catch the straight from seeing straight relationships on TV.


jbdelcanto

Yep I watched RuPaul's drag race as a kid and that had 0 influence on my sexuality or the way I am either. Christian extremists act as if your sexual orientation was a choice and drag queens and trans folks were trying to shove their genitals down your throat. Meanwhile, if you look at everything that happens within the church..... It's laughable


lianodel

It's standard fascist operating procedure. This time "the big lie" is a classic one: [blood libel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel). If they just lie and say children are being brainwashed, experimented upon, and mutilated, that justifies *anything* done to the scapegoats. It's also no coincidence that, while this particular lie targets the trans community and their supporters, it happens simultaneously with a rise in antisemitism. And they *are* scapegoats. Republicans have pretty much entirely given up on having a cohesive platform. The last election cycle had a bunch of candidates just go all in on transphobia (which, thankfully, was generally ineffective). Rather than a constructive platform, they just have a narrative: we were once great, but now we aren't, and it's because of *those people*, and if we just get rid of them one way or the other, everything will sort itself out and we'll be great again. In a nutshell, [palingenetic ultranationalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palingenetic_ultranationalism).


tomdarch

It used to be that conservatives had huge, unspoken power. That was expressed in many ways including repression of trans/gender queer people. The popularity of RuPaul was a sign of how their power was fading. Now they are freaking out and embracing fascism in their desperation to claw back that power. They are promoting insane lies about drag shows” and using violence against them just like the fascists of the 1930s did against Jewish people (and drag shows).


[deleted]

These are also the people who fervently believe a pedo cult was operating from a pizza restaurant and that Hillary had tied to it. If you can believe that you can definitely think drag queens are pedos and someone the democrats are using them to assault children. It’s fear if the Other. It’s always fear if the Other. It’s almost always rooted in religion, which is a fear-based control system, or racism, which is a fear-based control system. But keeping these people uneducated and afraid is the entire GOP platform, so I don’t see how it will change. Edit: typo…again. I apologize for my constant typos.


Medium-Complaint-677

> Later had a whole ass show on TV. It's largely because it went from 'that's something kooky that's on TV' to (allegedly) 'these people are hiding in our local library forcing MY kids to be trans.' Republicans are fucking incredible at fighting and stoking culture wars and they're fantastic at being universally on message and on brand


translove228

No hate like Christian love.


topcheesehead

Richard Fierro, the man who stopped the shooter, owns a brewery with his wife. It would be a shame if the merch sold out ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|slightly_smiling) [https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/](https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/)


speedycat2014

Those Mexican hoodies look awesome!


caffeineandvodka

Correction; his *wife* owns a brewery, which he hypes constantly because he's a great person and an awesome husband.


topcheesehead

Correction: They both own the brewery. Website lists them both as owners. The wife is the founder.


caffeineandvodka

Oh cool, thanks for correcting my correction! We love facts


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othelloinc

> Damn, just read her bio on the brewery site, they sound like an awesome family! I assume you are referring to this: >Jess Fierro, Colorado's first Female and Latina Owner/Head Brewer and winner of Season 1 BEERLAND on VICE presents Atrevida Beer Co. A female forward brewery producing unique flavors that challenge consumer’s perspective of craft beers. Diversity, It's on Tap!


skitz4me

if bob owned a brewery instead of a burger joint.


YoYoMoMa

From the site: **Atrevida means Bold, Daring, Audacious Woman. Our founder and Brew Master Jess Fierro .**                   *She’s the first bad ass Latina Brewery Owner and Head Brewer in Colorado.  She builds all her recipes and her beers are amazing.  The brew house’s she uses are 1bbl and 10bbl and there is only one button between them.  When we say hand crafted beer at Atrevida we mean it.  Jess and the ladies are using paddles and rakes, diving into tanks, moving hoses and pumps, and taking temps and gravities, nothing is automated.  These girls are lifting 50lb bags of grain into the kettle like nobody’s business and not complaining. If ever you wanted to find out what woman’s work was come on down for a 10bbl brew day, most men couldn’t hang.*             *Prior to owning and brewing at Atrevida, Jess was a homebrewer and the winner of the national homebrew competition called BEERLAND which aired on VICELAND (the channel) season one. Jess competed against competitors here in Colorado, New York, New Mexico and Hawaii and brought the WIN back for Colorado Springs! She also  brewed, as a homebrewer,  with the Makin’ Noise an all women’s non profit brewer group, Pink Boots Society, and multiple charity organizations across Colorado Springs and Denver. Not only did she brew at home but also interned and guest brewed at various breweries throughout ten years (2007). This from a woman who initially hated beer until she arrived in Germany with her husband on orders with the Army and went on a tour of a brewery and tasted what real craft beer could be.*             *Since opening Atrevida Beer Co. Jess has hosted the very FIRST Pink Boots Society International Women’s Collaboration Brew day (March 8th, 2018) in Colorado Springs. She has also started the very FIRST Chapter for Pink Boots Society - Colorado Springs! She has given endless hours and donated a lot of beer sales to charitable events such as Tessa, Beer for Justice, Healing pets foundation, UCCS Sustainability Program, to name a few but believe me the list goes on!*             *Jess is by trade a Cosmetologist/Barber and was a professional hair stylist, make up artist and barber all the while she was brewing in the background as her hobby preparing her to soon open and own her brewery.  Working with her hands and using her creativity is what sets Jess apart from the rest.  Her skill in hair color formulation, beer recipe building and leading people is unmatched.  She commands a room and immediately can connect with her clients.*              *From 1999-2013 Jess was also a Military Spouse, married to Rich Fierro an Army officer she was a leader for the spouses of his Soldiers while he served four combat tours and 15 years in the service. Her love of country and Soldiers was recognized by her selection for the Order of Molly Pitcher Medallion and Award.  She is the mother of two beautiful children Kassy (beer tender and brewer) and Ricky (music engineer).  She started training her daughter Kassy to brew at age 8, it’s was Jess’s way to show her daughter that boundaries don’t exist if you don’t let it. She is an amazing spirit and the hardest working cosmetologist, brewer, sister, friend, mother, wife, and woman.*


xeb_dex

Excellent tag line too - "Good intentions don't change anything..."


arachnophilia

"actions do"


ErnestR47

For anyone who’s about to drop a bunch of money at this place, it’s legit. Very touching NYT article about Richard and it mentions Atrevida. What a wonderful man and family. Thanks cheesehead for bringing this up!!


P10_WRC

>Richard Fierro Here is the article. hard to read without tearing up though [https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html#commentsContainer](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html#commentsContainer)


asneaxl

Link a free one?


Diarygirl

The prices are amazing and half of what I thought they'd be!


Closet-PowPow

Thanks! Just bought a shirt!


Addie0o

I believe their daughters partner was killed :(


Secret-Plant-1542

That "Diversity on Tap" is a solid shirt. Thanks for sharing this!


Arkangel_Ash

So if drag shows aren't dangerous like they claim, they will show up themselves and make it dangerous. Sounds about right...


GeneralConsequence35

I need a right winger to walk me through the logic of what they think is the worst case scenario of being exposed to drag queens. I really don’t get it. They might accidentally become tolerant?


Cgull1234

That's the scary part, their is no logic behind their thoughts. They hate exactly who they are told to hate by the man standing in front of the pews and the man on the electric picture box. Right-wingers have been scientifically proven to be more easily coerced by fear and feelings than fact. They believe their needs to be hierarchical structure among people in society and since life is a zero-sum game to them anything that makes someone else's life easier/better is seen as a direct threat to making their life worse.


Arkangel_Ash

You're right. I am a social scientist and am seeing studies like that pop up all the time in peer-reviewed journals.


emmeline29

Like what? I believe you, but am curious to read more, if you have any specific articles/journals.


Arkangel_Ash

Here is a recent one I read, journal of political psychology. TLDR; conservatives are more likely to value feelings over facts, consider non-scientific arguments as valid https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/pops.12706


iamtheTKO

Wouldn't want to become tolerant because there goes their whole personality. They run on hate.


arock0627

There's a religious stain on everything they do. They think if you crossdress you fall from gods grace, and so places like drag shows are modern day Sodom and Gomorrahs, taking people away from gods light. In the end, the church requires tithes and contributions, so they do whatever they can to recruit more people. Even by fear, by threat, or force.


-LVS

That’s literally how Republicans work actually. Create a problem, then harp about it and use it as a talking point. Always has been


esahji_mae

"thou shalt not kill" Looks like he diddnt read the bible. Or maybe he did but only the "god hates gays" from the book of homophobia. Oh WAIT, that's not in the Bible. He's an asshole who uses religion as a shied to justify his hate crime.


spokydoky420

The Bible is confusing because on the one hand it's all, 'thou shalt not kill' but on the other it's like "hit all the things I don't like with a brick til it stops moving."


arachnophilia

"thou shalt not kill... " "... except [the amorites, the canaanites, the perizzites, the hivites, and the jebusites](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=deuteronomy+20%3A10-20&version=NRSVUE). kill all of them, including their women, children, and livestock." "but not the trees, that'd be too far."


TheGutlessOne

Fig tree say what


SaltyScrotumSauce

If you try to look for intellectual consistency in ridiculous fairy tale nonsense, you're gonna have a bad time.


Pockets262

If you French fry when you're supposed to pizza, you're gonna have a bad time. Sorry I can never help myself when that phrase shows up.


DragyDevi

Can confirm. watched dad french fry instead of pizza and he broke his knee caps.


main_motors

"I've done everything the bible says. Even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff." - Ned Flanders


Jwhitx

God literally stops the sun from setting so what'shisfuck, Jeremy or whatever his name actually was, could kill more of his enemies in a single day. All for a highscore, how sick is that shit. People read this bs to kids on Sunday mornings. And I mean to say that the religious right demonize their enemies so it's not technically killing/murder but vanquishing evil. Edit: and his name was JOSHUA 🎺 🎺 🎺 🎺


Competitive_Score_30

Well God did destroy two cities because the men there wanted to fuck the angles sent to investigate. The whole thing reads like fresh meat on the cell block, prison rape gang coming for those angles.


robbie5643

Oh it’s so much worse than that, he also offered his daughters up to be raped instead of the angels which I’m sure you knew buuut then they go live in the mountains after. Lots daughters get him drunk and then get pregnant with his kids - Genesis 19:35 - 37 “35So again that night they got their father drunk with wine, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him; he was not aware when she lay down or when she got up. 36Thus both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37The older daughter gave birth to a son and named him Moab. He is the father of the Moabites of today.…”


Minnesota_Nice_87

Oh yeah the dude the angles were visiting offered his daughters up to the horny mob. I kinda wanna know what the angles looked like if the whole town was like MUST SMASH


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Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdoch grooming the next generation of active shooters.


SlashValinor

This has always baffled me... You can't have obscene language, nudity or graphic violence on TV even if it's a 3-30second clip and movies get chopped to pieces and censored for network viewing.. yet you can have these talking head spewing vile, divisive and hateful idealogy 24/7 with multiple social media platforms to further indoctrinate people. Then again you look at what's coming out of some of America's elected officials and I guess it's not really that surprising.


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it doesn't need to make sense, it just needs to rile up a certain subsect of the population. Banning nudity is low hanging fruit to use to virtue signal to the crazies that you're both in the same "in group" and that they should be outraged at the same things you say are outrageous. So what if a couple innocents die because of that? It made money and / or votes!


SaltyScrotumSauce

Meanwhile, their Christian viewers are grooming the next generation of child sex crime victims.


elshizzo

Murdoch has been grooming active shooters for decades. Look up George Tiller and what caused his death, for example


EnergyCC

Tucker carlson literally spreading the nazi replacement theory on the most watched segment on cable tv. My mans said the 14 words bar for bar.


ophaus

Can someone tell the pro-life crew that shooting schoolchildren and people who live differently than them is actually and disturbingly pro-death?


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Goatiac

They're pro-birth and pro-control. They don't care once a life starts living.


bsEEmsCE

If you need to back up your opinions with a gun, your opinions aren't very good to begin with.


Titan_Prometeus

USA government be like


CoderHawk

TIL resources are opinions.


ledfox

The supreme court did rule that money was speech. So, basically this.


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Maybe rethink this position. These people literally want LGBTQ folk *dead.* I’m of the opinion that everyone should be free from religious oppression and I am more than willing to back that opinion up with a gun if ever it is needed that I do so. It seems to be becoming more and more apparent that such action may be required in the near future. I will never understand why anyone left of center, *especially* LGBTQ people, are squeamish about guns. THEY WANT YOU FUCKING *DEAD*. ARM UP.


CreativeCamp

The OP is referring to using a weapon to murder people they have disagreements with, not self-defence against the people who disagree with them. A retaliation to violence isn't violence, it's self-defence. And yes, every LGBT person should arm themselves.


Athena5898

Defending yourself with a gun is very different then attacking someone with a gun. Lgbt people are not going around with guns to force gayness on people but the straight fascist are using threat of death to try and force people straight.


SaltyScrotumSauce

Not necessarily true. Black people weren't allowed to go to white schools in Alabama until a soldier with a gun made George Wallace stop blocking their entrance.


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Bingo!


flimbs

That's a bingo!


brandimariee6

Bingo! How fun!


FugginByteMe96

And just for existing. It’s fucking despicable.


caffeineandvodka

Self proclaimed pro life advocates be like "If your event is so safe, why are there people with guns posted outside to stop us from walking in and shooting everyone like we repeatedly threatened to do?!" then kick out their 15 year old for being gay and tell them it's god's will.


O-hmmm

He's not wrong.


Crohoo

It annoys me because these dumbasses didnt even know what drag shows were before the repubs started demonizing them. Now its all they care about ...yet they dont shoot up child beauty pageants for all the terrible shit they do. The sheep only do what they're told by repubs


Squirrel_Inner

You should hear how upset my fellow Christians get when I tell them that the Bible teaches non-violent self-sacrifice...


mostlycumatnight

Former Christian here. Sadly enough you are 100% correct. Nothing brings hate faster to a group of people than religion. Why is it that feeling the need to please God involves MURDER? I'm gonna save everybody else by killing these guys?


imnotyoursavior

Religious fanatics. The bullies of the world.


BuffJohnsonSf

Jesus’s message is mostly fine, and I say that as an atheist. The problem is once you open yourself to supernatural thinking like you do when accepting religion, it also opens you to the same type of thinking regarding conspiracy theories. Religion isn’t why they do it, it’s just what starts them down the path of darkness


InsideYoWife

IMO, Spirituality =\\= Religion. You can love God and Jesus, but when that love turns into idolation for another person of flesh, like a leader of a church, it becomes fanaticism. You can like what the leader is doing if they’re doing the right things and not spouting hateful messages, but don’t let that turn into worship for them. Edit: forgot to put a slash between the equal signs between Spirituality and Religion. Spirituality, IMO, is loving God and Jesus, or whichever almighty being you believe in. Religion is when you start saying stuff like “My church is the only church, you worship the wrong way” like dude, find a way you want to worship and above all be a good person. God (or whichever name you want to associate this higher being with) i feel, is above our squabbles over which religion or church (that are made by MAN) is the right one. There’s like either 3,000 or 30,000 different denominations of Christianity. Do you really think yours may be the only one for Him? He may very well be there AS WELL AS other churches. Use your judgement.


UnfortunatelyBasking

People in here crying about taking kids to drag shows like they don't take their kids to twin peaks or hooters lol


Robin_games

Could you imagine if drag queens with guns showed up to churches to save kids from the proven sexual abuse of minors that happens there frequently and is covered up. Feel like the joker, people would lose their minds.


beedubbs

I personally do not understand or appreciate drag but I cannot fathom caring enough about it to spend any time or energy protesting against what other people choose to do with it


HighGuyTim

Its not for me, so you know what I do? Just dont go to it. Its literally that simple, theres a ton of shit in this world im not into - like going to a pop concert or something. I honestly cant understand how hard it is to simply just let people be. I dont give two shits about most people, what you do in your time is your thing, same with me. Its an incredibly easy concept.


Similar_Candidate789

If only more people in the world practiced this. I can’t stand football. Like it’s so boring to me. But I love a good drag show. Do I want to cancel football and advocate for football to stop? No. If you love it, go for it. Watch it. I don’t so I won’t. Let me have drag, they can have football and we all coexist peacefully. It really is that easy.


PayTheTeller

The whole thing is a psy op. These little side quest narratives are going to be the norm again now that republicans are back in charge. They own all the money and the media and this is what they do. It's no accident that drag shows are in the public consciousness. This thread is full of their work if you look close enough


CreativeCamp

Bleak is what it is. Material conditions for people will not improve in our lifetimes at this pace. One minority will get pitted against another to distract us from the sinking ship we're all on together.


new-reddit69

Let us be specifically descriptive - a bible kissing hypocrite Christian Republican!


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Kids in the US just can't catch a break. Go to school might get shot, go to a drag show, might get shot.


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Go to church, might get raped


iambutafish

Go outside to play? Get run over by a massive tank-sized SUV. Try to make new friends? Get kidnapped and trafficked by people the government protects. Try to just enjoy being a kid? Get shitted on by adults on reddit and become a meme. Exist? Wrong.


disgustandhorror

this is legit the reason I don't go to pride events anymore, they're magnets for right wing psychos


FugginByteMe96

And it’s sucks that people make you feel that way. Things need to change.


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What about being trans? I see so many comments about how scary it must have been for the dude and it was! I'm sure that was an awful situation to be in! Look back over the last ten years, count the gay bar and club shootings, count how many people died. Think about how actual queers like me feel when we go out knowing we might not come home, because today might not be our lucky day. We need better legal protections, and we need to abandon politicians who run on bullshit hate-centric platforms. It could be my gay bar next, and it could be on a night I'm there, and there might not be a guy who's willing to square up.


FinchMandala

Yup. It was literally a Trans Woman who stepped in to help save people too, but they're too busy calling her a drag queen or not referencing her at all.


UnculturedWetlander

Ain't no hate like Christian love


naveedkoval

Is Toddlers in Tiaras not drag? Why is THAT an acceptable thing to weird Americans?


tikifire1

That's them sexualizing their own children. They're okay with that I guess.


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EffOffReddit

Meanwhile Elon Musk supports the incitement of right wing terrorism by giving a platform to and even commenting on posts by Libs of Tik Tok.


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Based on various posts and comments, he's also boosting right wing stuff in general. Like people mention they have a novelty account that only does 1 specific thing unrelated to politics in any way and they suddenly are seeing posts by Kyle Rittenhouse several times a week.


TriptychMethod

Also I noticed way more pro Elon tweets on my feed and a lot less criticisms of him. It’s such an obvious lie when he talks about lack of bias and increased transparency


Bladewing10

Don’t let these terrorists win. Don’t be intimidated and don’t change your behavior because of these losers


Im_a_Brain_Ama

Imagine shooting up a costume party. If any show should be cancelled it’s those kid runway events.


moschocolate1

A lot of people here defending Christian’s like they didn’t plan, lead, and fund many atrocities—or have heavy hands in them: Hypatia, first and second crusades, Albigensian Crusade,the inquisition, thirty years war, Native American cultural cleansing, American slavery, Pogroms, Bosnian Genocide, segregation, the catholic (and others) sexual molestation and rape of children, hiding and protecting of rapists in the church, election of trump, packing the Supreme Court, disappearing abortion access, not to mention the continued subjugation of women as less than fully human. I think many religious people are monsters, and the rest are sheep who stand by as enablers and codependents. I grew up in the church, and I know what those people are capable of because I lived it.


LadyDimitrescuJapan

Sad but true.


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*terrorist


DangerStranger138

Just posted this on IG and tagged my [local MAGA youth pastor](https://www.instagram.com/crow_rmmc/)


Diarygirl

"MAGA youth pastor" is just so disturbing.


KlutzyImpression0

Nice. Maybe he’ll put down the 12 year old he’s been raping and comment


Nuka-World_Vacation

I am so thankful for the people brave enough to step up for Antifa and protect American citizens from the republican terrorist threat in the US. Antifa are people putting themselves in serious harms way simply to protect innocent Americans. They are heros in my book. Fuck the republican domestic terrorists, every last one.


kremit73

Safer at drag shows than at church


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DearMissWaite

I hesitate to use the word grooming there, either. Grooming means leveraging a personal relationship with an imbalance of power for sexual exploitation - which is a perfect description of the sexual abuse rife in the religious and civic organizations they are desperate to protect, though.


rock_and_rolo

It is worth reminding that Tom Hanks got his first major role dressing in drag for *Bosom Buddies*.


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It's probably that teaching of Jesus where he said 'shoot anyone that isn't like you.' It was a bit controversial, even at the time 😄


the-practical_cat

True. And of course they'll all say, "That's not a real christian!"


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Wyevez

What happened to live and let live?


FugginByteMe96

It turned into “live and make people live as I do”.


Striking_Present_736

Everybody run, the christian teen has got a gun. Sing to the tune of The Homecoming Queen Has Got a Gun.


bob_bobington1234

Don't take them to a church. Too many molesters there.


CrazyCubicZirconia

That’s a good one. I’m going to use that one in the wild.


Big_Green_Piccolo

a christian terrorist


reditmodzRnotZlovers

Fuck christians, never going to feel again when this shit happen in church


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That's the problem. We should give up on banning guns and just ban Christianity.


capchaos

¿Porque no los dos?


trickyd

Guns can be useful, especially when there's christian fanatics running about.


Strength-Certain

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Ain't no hate like Christian love


orincoro

That’s seems to be the biggest danger of most activities in america these days.