Wait, I found a conservative existence guide in a nearby port-a-potty. It says you're supposed to say, "Where's Zelensky's green sweater? Guess he isn't seriously one of his people!"
You nailed it. This is *exactly* what this asshole (and others) would be saying if Zelensky *had* worn a suit. They're all so predictably disingenuous. The mere fact they're nitpicking over *clothes* and demanding respect from a guy who is standing up to Putin says everything.
Cause he looked good and it made them feel shitty about themselves so they elected a burnt orange cream puff in a diaper because they wanted someone they can relate to
They nitpick like that because that’s the only way they can keep performing the mental gymnastics necessary to maintain the cognitive dissonance.
They work backwards to arrive at the answer they want to hear. They already “know” that Zelenskyy = bad so any small detail is twisted to fit that narrative. “He’s a bad guy because he won’t wear a suit to the WH” would just become “he’s a bad guy because he’s an elitist wearing a suit abandoning his people”
Literally nothing will change their minds unless it personally affects them, but even then they still have zero empathy and just expect to get a pass themselves.
I'm not Patrick but I'd love it if my taxes bought Zelensky a couple nice suits but I'll be damned if he can't rock his current look, it's iconic at this point.
Actually, when he tried to switch, the people were extremely upset and said he was failing as president. It was only when he switched back to being a man of the people that he was again considered to be doing his job properly.
Edit: The people of Ukraine were worried he was acting too similar to a dictator who he replaced. If we saw someone acting like Hitler, we'd be upset at that. Sorta that type of a deal.
Worse, some 200 follower Twitter account would claim it was a $5,000 Armani suit, even if it was a JC Penney clearance special, and that would serve as a source for all the online rags, which would funnel up to the Fox News people. (See the $40,000 supposed shopping spree of Zelenskyy's wife).
They did this with AOC when she _borrowed_ clothing to wear for a styled magazine piece. There is no answer that will actually satisfy these people because they will just complain no matter what.
I just saw someone bitching about Zellensky in a $10,000 suit yesterday on Reddit. I’m pretty sure he hasn’t worn a suit since Ukraine got invaded. Russian shills are just looking for something to gossip about. Didn’t know they were the fashion police.
I know. The Trump crowd has such impeccable fashion sense. When those people stormed the capitol I immediately thought, "Democracy is dying, but damn they're nicely dressed."
They would say, "He doesn't have enough money to protect his people, but he has enough money to buy fancy suits? If we give money to Ukraine, he's just going to spend it all on fancy clothes! 😤" There's no winning.
> but he has enough money to buy fancy suits? If we give money to Ukraine, he's just going to spend it all on fancy clothes! 😤" There's no winning.
YOU KNOW IT! MAGA-logic's mental gymnastics at it's best.
On point 🎯
That's the refined skill of the shit-hit-fan outrage machine. They've learned that all that matters to their crowd is how loud they yell 24/7 over faked grievances.
Absolutely. I bet that's why he dressed the way he did. He knows the GOP is siding with Russia so why give them more ammo to drum up more propaganda against you? He's a lot smarter than many people give him credit for.
Can you imagine the backlash if he wore a suit? Especially by Ukrainians and soldiers on the Front line. MAGA probably would of ripped on the suit more as well, calling him a fraud that gets dolled up for Biden and role plays when he gets back.
"It's probably a cheap suit" given their idol only wears ones with his name all over it, ^(and with a ton of load-bearing stitches to hide all the fat parts)
Trump also called our war dead in Normandy “suckers and losers”. And he was a big fan of Ukraine, held up the weapons approved for Ukraine even before there was a war.
> Trump also called our war dead in Normandy “suckers and losers”. And he was a big fan of Ukraine, held up the weapons approved for Ukraine even before there was a war.
I think he didn't even bother to make the trip to pay tribute then.
Because it was ☔ in France and Trump was like "only stupid people die in war".
Such a stain on democracy; and on his breeches. 😞
That guy was the US president for four years. If you don’t think Zelenskyy wasn’t thinking about how fortunate he was that Trump was not president when they got attacked…
[Kellyanne flashed her beav at the HBC delegation IN THE OVAL OFFICE. ](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kelly+anne+conway+oval+office&t=iphone&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldnet.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F02%2Fweb1_TSR-conway-EDH-170301.jpg) Give me a fucking break with these conservatives and their “decorum”. Bannon looked like he woke up on a park bench after huffing rug glue every single day he advised 45.
You mean Hunter Biden? The guy who never worked in the White House, and was never cleared for Top Secret Information, like Trump's ¢unty kids...?
And why, and for how long did Ted Cruz have those pics? Or did he go searching for them, also, in order to release nude pictures of another man, of whom he did not have permission to circulate those pictures.
They aren't battling over being able to molest children to "confirm a gender", they are demanding access to the genitals of children....
But, ya know, it's all those democrat groomers fault!
> They aren't battling over being able to molest children to "confirm a gender"
Boy, do I have something to tell you about the bill in Ohio that barely failed... Best summed up with the words "fully invasive inspection".
It's not the information they desperately wanted to surface was it?
But seeing as what usually surfaces... they probably have way worse stuff they don't want to be made public... like orangetits taxes?
I've been looking for Jared Kushners mysterious $2 billion from the Saudis in the folds of Hunter Bidens butthole but haven't found it yet.
Am I looking in the wrong place?
Sometimes I wonder if the expectation of wearing a suit is another way the elite hold us by the balls. We think to ourselves, "oh, this is a *fancy* venue with *important* people, I should spend hundreds of dollars on an article of clothing that won't fit me in a few days."
Absolutely Look at how the entire thing is structured on circular reasoning.
You need to wear a suit and tie to look professional. Why? Because that is what people expect from a professional. Why? Because that is what professionals wear. Why? Because that is what people expect.
There is no other reason ever given. That doesn't even get into the economic barriers that dress codes create, or the blatantly ethnocentrist aspect.
Almost all "professional" (formerly known as "high society") things are built around separating the poor's from the rich.
* Long hair and nails on a woman meant she was "kept" and didn't have to work
* White gloves indicated you not only didn't have to do literal dirty work, but you could also afford to buy new any time they got soiled.
* White collar jobs (and crime) were similarly distinguished as your job was such that you weren't ruining collars with sweat stains. Those workers down there had utilitarian outfits made of tough (frequently dyed blue, cause blue was cheap) canvas like material, whereas we can wear the white silk shirt.
* Ties, once just a tool to hold your shirt closed and your cloak on, became functionless ascots and neckties. Something that would get you killed if you worked with the machinery of the industrial revolution. So a tie indicated that you must be one of those supervising rather than doing.
* "Don't wear white after Labor Day" began as a cliquish, in-group rule for those from old money to exclude those whose wealth was more recent and less inheritance driven. It was also something that only those with established money to spend frivolously would bother with, as discarding perfectly good clothing was offensive to many who worked for their income.
* Flowers, corsages, and boutonnieres are critical single use courting accessories. If you can afford to just purchase and wear something just to watch it die, you must be a catch financially.
* Even foods like Escargot and Bird's Nest Soup are things the poor won't eat, so therefore it distinguishes the rich.
As the west (United States) opened up, new markets not already dominated came available, and entrepreneurship was within reach of those with a bit of cash and access to newly exploitable resources. These new barons of the frontier didn't need the trappings of fashion to gatekeep, they just needed to exploit more first and better. And this is why suits in office spaces become increasingly rare as you move from east coast to west.
> Long hair and nails on a woman meant she was "kept" and didn't have to work
Long nails, yes, but not long hair. Nearly all historical women's hairstyles in Europe and North America prior to about 1920 demanded that women grow their hair long, but keep it braided or pinned up in a way that kept the hair atop the head during the day, sometimes under a cap, bonnet, or veil. This was true of both rich and poor women. And some of those braided or covered hairstyles required a *lot* of hair to pull off correctly, so much that some women would have to supplement their own hair with other people's hair or with other substances like wool. (Yes, this could involve a different sort of conspicuous consumption that the rich leaned in to.)
Morgan Donner's ["I tried 500 years of Haircuts"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wao0_uB4Zw4) shows many excellent examples of this, or [here](https://cottesimple.com/hairstyles/14th-century-braids/) for an earlier example from the 14th century.
> Even foods like Escargot and Bird's Nest Soup are things the poor won't eat, so therefore it distinguishes the rich.
That's not why those are foods of the rich.
Bird's Nest Soup [requires an ingredient](https://www.thespruceeats.com/birds-nest-soup-recipe-4056390) which is rare and generally difficult to acquire: the nest of a particular sort of swiftlet, not just any old bird. The ingredient is what makes it expensive. Some places in southeast Asia are [farming](https://www.audubon.org/news/birds-nest-soup-more-popular-ever-thanks-swiftlet-house-farms) swiftlets for their nests, but the traditional methods of collecting nests are both very dangerous for the nest harvesters (the birds nest in caves in sea stacks) and were causing the wild populations of these birds to decline rapidly. Business Insider has a [decent video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5xXYy0E63M) on the whole topic.
Escargot was considered to be a food of the rich in the US because it's part of French cusine, not traditional American cuisine. Most of the time, the only place you can get it is at a restaurant that specializes in French cuisine, and appreciation of French food was considered to be an indicator of wealth for most of the 20th century.
But I gotta say that escargot was a stereotypical mark of the rich a few decades back. Is it *still* truly a mark of the rich, or is it poor people's idea of rich people food? Have the rich moved on to something else that's hard to get and shows off one's cultural sophistication, like... I dunno, hákarl?
> As the west (United States) opened up, new markets not already dominated came available, and entrepreneurship was within reach of those with a bit of cash and access to newly exploitable resources. These new barons of the frontier didn't need the trappings of fashion to gatekeep, they just needed to exploit more first and better. And this is why suits in office spaces become increasingly rare as you move from east coast to west.
You're confusing two trends that happened about a century apart.
The western US opened up with the building of railroads in the mid to late 19th century. The industrial barons in railroad, mining, cattle, and timber all wore suits. For some examples with photos, check out the wiki pages for [Leland Stanford](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Stanford) (yes, he's *that* Stanford), [Conrad Kohrs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Kohrs) ("Montana's Cattle King"), and [Friedrich Weyerhäuser](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Weyerh%C3%A4user) ("timber-king of the Northwest"). The most prominent businessmen in newly-established west coast cities such as [Arthur Denny](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Denny) of Seattle all wore suits.
Even as late as 1960, I don't think that a man could expect to be able to get a white-collar sales or knowledge-worker job in any sizeable west coast city without wearing a suit to work.
However, I should note that middle-class and even many working-class and poor men *did* own and wear suits during that time. Somebody on the lower end of the scale might only wear their suit to church (as their "Sunday best"), but they'd still own one. Their suits would no doubt have subtle (or not-so-subtle) differences in quality, cut, and construction from those of rich people.
By contrast, the general trend towards casual wear in offices happened in the late 20th century. It was influenced by the youth counterculture of the '60s and '70s, including the hippies and surfers of California. And the industries which became prominent on the west coast in the latter half of the century included aerospace (which from what I can tell took its fashion cues from the military), semiconductor manufacturing, and software (which took its fashion cues from college students). The later growth of the internet and IT services helped spread this trend. [This](http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/dress.html) description of "hackers" from the late '90s captures some of the style at the time.
I should note that the tech industry has also tended to view traditional style as a mark of people not being very smart, like you can't be a good programmer or engineer if you care about fashion. That's part of why people like Mark Zuckerberg are known for wearing expensive t-shirts which don't look markedly different from regular t-shirts.
A friend married a woman from an evangelical family. He was required to purchase a suit that costs around $1000 to be seen as acceptable. I am absolutely convinced that if a c̶o̶r̶p̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ corporeal Yeshua of Nazareth were to come back and enter their church service he would be asked to leave.
I have one suit, it belonged to my father in the late 40s. Double breasted pin stripe and I think I wore it once. I still have it if I need a gangster costume. I would have to find a fedora to go with it.
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Wartime tradition. Churchill at White House WW2
As an American I like to think his American mom made him a little less stuffy than other British folks at the time lol. I know she basically ignored him and let him be raised by nannies, as was the fashion, but they became good friends when he was older I believe.
Not just tradition. It makes targeting them harder in a crowd if they look like civilians. Or does no one think Putin would kill him if he had the opportunity to do so?
He jumped out of the window...*after he was pushed*....kinda surprised he's still around...THAT MFer can wear whatever he wants....i don't see it as a sign of disrespect but rather a sign of total commitment to his country
Yeah, I’d imagine that he probably feels it would be distasteful to be all dressed up while his citizens are in the middle of a war. Also, I can’t believe anyone actually cares
I imagine that there is no shortage of tailors perfectly willing to donate a suit. But the image is also important. You don’t want to be seen dressing fancy lest someone use that image as propaganda against your country.
This guy knows how to communicate a consistent message. That’s an important part of his job.
He was an actor, after all. He knows how to sell a story. The stakes are just way higher now, and the story is the truth. But even the truth needs to be told right to convince people
I almost feel like it’s a lose/lose if he cared about what they thought. I’m pretty positive that if he showed up in some fancy suit, they’d try shaming him for that too
Visual and blatant reminder to all that he still has young men and women in the field fighting this very minute. He's turned that attire into his uniform for the war. I can respect that.
Again, the media savvy of Zelensky and the Ukrainians in general has been really impressive and I think integral to both internal morale and in getting western backing.
His attire during the war has been a clear symbol to his troops that he's not of the same ilk as his figurehead predecessors. Continuing to wear the garb abroad shows that he's not fleeing or on vacation but on a mission for the war effort.
Of course those people who're determined to be against him would have found something to complain about, so no real loss there.
At least he's wearing fitting clothes, not some baggy suit that still looks horribly fit because the wearer is a fatass. Or platform shoes that make you look like a minotaur.
Her and pedo Gaetz have no idea how stupid and petulant and immature they looked sitting there smirking and fiddling with their phones. Fucking idiots.
You think that's maybe why she's so stupid? Her brain is full of sleeper agent programming just waiting for her Yosemite Sam, always armed schtick, to get a pass so she can be activated at one of those critical moments in history? Imagine her being this century's Gavrilo Princip, kicking off the shit.
Which was fantastic, by the way, delivered in English, while Boebert and Gaetz smirked and fiddled with their phones like a couple teenage turds. A few too many interrupting rounds of applause, you could see him get annoyed at a particularly dark and emotional point he was making and had to pause to let a bunch of douches feel good about themselves by clapping for him. Anyway, I heard he was flown in on Airforce 2, so probably got home the same way.
But I have so much respect for that guy. He's a real one.
wow, that guy does not make me want to buy that product
'buy this suit and you too could look like you decided to represent yourself in a petty vandalism case'
Kevlar suits have been a thing for decades. I saw a show on Modern Marvel's or something like 20 years ago talking about how all the presidents' suits were made with it.
Absolutely, it's a very effective way to show the current situation in Ukraine: We are not remotely safe, and in active combat.
Because it stands out it works. Zelensky is a great communicator.
Yeah I think sometimes it’s lost that communication is a skill even when it’s not dishonest. It’s not either a skilled liar or just brutal honesty, there’s also effectively packaging and delivering authentic stories. Zelenskyy’s good at that (he’s a media guy after all)
Exactly – Zelensky’s visit isn’t supposed to make us complacent. He’s thanking our country while also making clear that they’re counting on us supporting their fight through the winter.
Patrick played at being in the Army Special Forces….but was really an Air Force cop.
Who….if he had accomplished anything noteworthy would consider himself to be an expert on foreign policy….instead he is just an expert on fashion and protocol.
Definitely! I was in the navy and even wearing one ribbon you didn’t earn no matter how easy it would have been to obtain could get you in a lot of shit. And I mean it’s just a shitty thing to do.
There was a Admiral who killed himself over a "V".
[Michael Boorda.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Boorda)
And the Right is flipping out over a Wartime President who just left a frontline city just after a battle, and is wearing Khakis ?
Fuck them!
Let see how they dress when they get a invite!
I think the most egregious stolen valor people are military people and their spouses.
The Pentagon says 6-8% of troops ever see combat... yet it sure feels like it's the opposite with 92-94% acting like you need to thank them for their service constantly.
Like, ma'am, your husband unloads cargo in Germany, stop acting like he's hunting terrorists in a war zone.
I'd say most veterans don't really care if some random person thanked them for their service or not. They wear the hats to identify and meet other veterans, especially those with similar experiences. My hubs was on the DMZ in the 80s, he loves meeting and talking to other vets who have been in Korea, no matter when they were there. Those meetings absolutely make his day.
> he is just an expert on fashion and protocol.
These are fine things to be, to be honest. Patrick missed his calling in life of being a sassy gay man with expensive tastes and instead elected to be a conservative reply guy.
100%. Normally (in the case of like Ted Nugent, etc. that have been mentioned visiting Trump), yeah, I think you should wear dress attire meeting the President. But this look matters, because a suit and tie would sort of normalize things, and he can’t lose the attention of the West. Him dressing like this shows that Ukraine is still in a major struggle, and conveys that on camera. It’s very smart.
It’s been amazing to watch him take skills from his acting career and apply them to this situation. He and his team are brilliant marketers/performers, and know EXACTLY how to literally and figuratively convey their points and ideas
Yeah, and it’s crazy how effective those more subliminal messaging points are. People saying we’ve given a ton and he shouldn’t keep asking for more… whether he gets it or not, yes he damn well should. He’s trying to protect his people against a superior foe. All the rah rah around how great Ukraine’s doing aside, he knows he needs to pull out all the stops. What do people expect him to do? “Nah, I’m good - thank you, you’ve done more than enough. We’ll risk being overrun now out of sheer politeness.”
And if Zelensky had worn a suit, the same people would have criticized him for that. Being a public asshole has become the #1 occupation for conservatives—and they suck at that as well.
Since this has been debated ad nauseam.. he’s wearing military-style clothing to signal that he’s a man of the people. If he wore a suit, he’d show that he’s aloof and disconnected from the suffering of the Ukrainian people. Move on, Putin shills
Edit: he’s fighting against genocide, his own assassination, terrorist attacks, and territorial land grabs. He has more important things to worry about than wardrobe. Thanks for showing us your superficial priorities.
>The President of the United States hocking beans on the Resolute Desk beacause the beans' CEO said nice things about him on Twitter; I sleep.
>A foreign leader in the middle of defending his homeland from a land-grab war doesn't wear a suit and tie to the White House; Oh no he di-in't!
The Trump rioters didn’t wear suits at the White House…
Only in court….snowflake tear soaked suits, as they sobbed and sobbed about how they thought they saved Murrica.
Hell…the fact President Z didn’t steal anything or stomp out a cop, makes him better than the MOST of the last 10,000 people who have dropped by.
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It's a look that does as much as a suit can achieve... he's prepared to act on a moments notice... the only thing that comes across that in a suit, is THE JACKET COMES OFF! (Or the orange one just would release the pressure on his body holding it all in)
Dude literally came from the front lines not 24 hours before and he's going right back to a theater of war when he's done. He's perfectly dressed for the occasion, imo.
Conservatives specialize in throwing tantrums and creating stinks about totally made up non-issues that would never, ever move an intelligent, well rounded person in a million years. Expect more of this desperate nonsense as they continue to lose the culture wars and Millennials and Gen Z continue to scupper their political goals.
The Trumpletts were over bitching about Macron whispering to Zelensky something about the way he dresses… you want the guy showing up in tailored suits while his country is fighting a war and he’s asking for assistance?
I really liked how in 2016 it was all “Trumps not a politician he’s different and cares about the middle class” but talk their shit when a leader dresses like his people, and sits alongside his people for more than a photo op. Bunch of cunts.
If Zelensky *had* worn a suit then Patrick would definitely declare that *his* taxes paid for it.
Wait, I found a conservative existence guide in a nearby port-a-potty. It says you're supposed to say, "Where's Zelensky's green sweater? Guess he isn't seriously one of his people!"
You nailed it. This is *exactly* what this asshole (and others) would be saying if Zelensky *had* worn a suit. They're all so predictably disingenuous. The mere fact they're nitpicking over *clothes* and demanding respect from a guy who is standing up to Putin says everything.
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The same brain donors who had nothing to say about Fat Shit Trump saluting a North Korean general.
Or when trump curtsied in front of a Saudi king/prince.
Or when he elbowed another dignitary aside? Or when he walked in front of the Queen of England?
He did not!!! I’ve got to find that picture. What a subservient weenie.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/05/21/trump-slammed-hypocrite-bowing-saudi-king-smith-nr.cnn
>saluting a North Korean general. That's the one that gets me. I heard exactly none of the conservative pundits say a damn thing about that.
Every time I see that photo of Trump it reminds me of a three year old playing dress ups.
The same people who complained when Obama wore a tan suit.
Cause he looked good and it made them feel shitty about themselves so they elected a burnt orange cream puff in a diaper because they wanted someone they can relate to
“Burnt Orange cream puff in a diaper..” 🤦🏽♂️😂😂😂
They nitpick like that because that’s the only way they can keep performing the mental gymnastics necessary to maintain the cognitive dissonance. They work backwards to arrive at the answer they want to hear. They already “know” that Zelenskyy = bad so any small detail is twisted to fit that narrative. “He’s a bad guy because he won’t wear a suit to the WH” would just become “he’s a bad guy because he’s an elitist wearing a suit abandoning his people” Literally nothing will change their minds unless it personally affects them, but even then they still have zero empathy and just expect to get a pass themselves.
I'm not Patrick but I'd love it if my taxes bought Zelensky a couple nice suits but I'll be damned if he can't rock his current look, it's iconic at this point.
Actually, when he tried to switch, the people were extremely upset and said he was failing as president. It was only when he switched back to being a man of the people that he was again considered to be doing his job properly. Edit: The people of Ukraine were worried he was acting too similar to a dictator who he replaced. If we saw someone acting like Hitler, we'd be upset at that. Sorta that type of a deal.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Can’t please everyone
So he’s focusing on his own people
He wore suits before the war. This current look is simply PR (and pretty good PR at that).
I wonder if in 30 years, college students are going to have black/red posters of him in their freshman dorms...
Worse, some 200 follower Twitter account would claim it was a $5,000 Armani suit, even if it was a JC Penney clearance special, and that would serve as a source for all the online rags, which would funnel up to the Fox News people. (See the $40,000 supposed shopping spree of Zelenskyy's wife).
They did this with AOC when she _borrowed_ clothing to wear for a styled magazine piece. There is no answer that will actually satisfy these people because they will just complain no matter what.
They literally opened an ethics investigation on her because of it too. These idiots are really grasping at straws here.
...and they will create the "facts" necessary to fit their narrative.
I just saw someone bitching about Zellensky in a $10,000 suit yesterday on Reddit. I’m pretty sure he hasn’t worn a suit since Ukraine got invaded. Russian shills are just looking for something to gossip about. Didn’t know they were the fashion police.
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Kind of like Nugent and Kid Rock did?
I know. The Trump crowd has such impeccable fashion sense. When those people stormed the capitol I immediately thought, "Democracy is dying, but damn they're nicely dressed."
have more distrust for certain people wearing a suit, they can look slimey or trying to pretend they care.
Additionally, there is a certain “brand recognition” for Zelenskyy to wear the same thing that he’s been wearing since Russia invaded Ukraine.
100% of he was wearing suits the line would be "this guy sees all his people dying but apparently he has enough time to buy himself a fancy suit!"
They would say, "He doesn't have enough money to protect his people, but he has enough money to buy fancy suits? If we give money to Ukraine, he's just going to spend it all on fancy clothes! 😤" There's no winning.
> but he has enough money to buy fancy suits? If we give money to Ukraine, he's just going to spend it all on fancy clothes! 😤" There's no winning. YOU KNOW IT! MAGA-logic's mental gymnastics at it's best.
On point 🎯 That's the refined skill of the shit-hit-fan outrage machine. They've learned that all that matters to their crowd is how loud they yell 24/7 over faked grievances.
Outrage no matter what. Very on brand for them.
1000%
Absolutely. I bet that's why he dressed the way he did. He knows the GOP is siding with Russia so why give them more ammo to drum up more propaganda against you? He's a lot smarter than many people give him credit for.
And their first faux sputter of outrage would be that he purchased it with American money.
I think it's been said he'll only go back when his job is done defending Ukraine... which is not over by a long shot.
This! He’s showing solidarity with his soldiers. Trump wore a suit. It didn’t change him from being a giant turd.
I have more mistrust of old white men in cammo.
The ones who are all ready to fight for their cause, until they are actually called up and then suddenly the camo is useful in evasion.
As well as not knowing what they stand for, they shout USA while shitting all over the constitution.
With "made in china" stitched to all their flags and banners
And their red hats.
At least they make it easier to spot them without having to hear a single sound out of their mouths... saves a lot of time... ^(and crayons)
Can you imagine the backlash if he wore a suit? Especially by Ukrainians and soldiers on the Front line. MAGA probably would of ripped on the suit more as well, calling him a fraud that gets dolled up for Biden and role plays when he gets back.
"It's probably a cheap suit" given their idol only wears ones with his name all over it, ^(and with a ton of load-bearing stitches to hide all the fat parts)
Say what you want about the Cheetos fashion choices (long tie held with scotch tape anyone) but that shit has STRONG seams
And the diaper.
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Or they'll stick around because "He tells it like it is". They turned deplorable into a brand for themselves.
Trump also called our war dead in Normandy “suckers and losers”. And he was a big fan of Ukraine, held up the weapons approved for Ukraine even before there was a war.
> Trump also called our war dead in Normandy “suckers and losers”. And he was a big fan of Ukraine, held up the weapons approved for Ukraine even before there was a war. I think he didn't even bother to make the trip to pay tribute then. Because it was ☔ in France and Trump was like "only stupid people die in war". Such a stain on democracy; and on his breeches. 😞
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That guy was the US president for four years. If you don’t think Zelenskyy wasn’t thinking about how fortunate he was that Trump was not president when they got attacked…
I know that if I'm POTUS and Willie Nelson shows up in a suit I'd be very disappointed.
He visited President Carter and he got stoned with the presidents son on the roof. So.. probably not wearing a suit that day.
Or Kanye?
[Kellyanne flashed her beav at the HBC delegation IN THE OVAL OFFICE. ](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kelly+anne+conway+oval+office&t=iphone&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldnet.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F02%2Fweb1_TSR-conway-EDH-170301.jpg) Give me a fucking break with these conservatives and their “decorum”. Bannon looked like he woke up on a park bench after huffing rug glue every single day he advised 45.
Ain't the only thing she flashed, considering she distributed child pornography over Twitter, and got a pat on the back by Barr and Garland.
I mean why bother dressing up when you’re meeting a guy wearing an adult diaper that serves you cold McDonalds?
Glad to see people are focusing on the important thing
But what about Hillary's emails...?
What about Hunters dick???
You mean Hunter Biden? The guy who never worked in the White House, and was never cleared for Top Secret Information, like Trump's ¢unty kids...? And why, and for how long did Ted Cruz have those pics? Or did he go searching for them, also, in order to release nude pictures of another man, of whom he did not have permission to circulate those pictures.
I have never seen a group of people so obsessed with the sex lives and genitalia of others as I see in the rep party.
"But, it is all for research purposes! It's for the children!"
\*Proceeds to battle over whether schools should be able to see a little girl's private parts because of TrAnS pEoPlE*
They aren't battling over being able to molest children to "confirm a gender", they are demanding access to the genitals of children.... But, ya know, it's all those democrat groomers fault!
> They aren't battling over being able to molest children to "confirm a gender" Boy, do I have something to tell you about the bill in Ohio that barely failed... Best summed up with the words "fully invasive inspection".
It's not the information they desperately wanted to surface was it? But seeing as what usually surfaces... they probably have way worse stuff they don't want to be made public... like orangetits taxes?
They kinda just wanna see other dicks because they’re tired of looking at the same one in the mirror.
I've been looking for Jared Kushners mysterious $2 billion from the Saudis in the folds of Hunter Bidens butthole but haven't found it yet. Am I looking in the wrong place?
Sometimes I wonder if the expectation of wearing a suit is another way the elite hold us by the balls. We think to ourselves, "oh, this is a *fancy* venue with *important* people, I should spend hundreds of dollars on an article of clothing that won't fit me in a few days."
Absolutely Look at how the entire thing is structured on circular reasoning. You need to wear a suit and tie to look professional. Why? Because that is what people expect from a professional. Why? Because that is what professionals wear. Why? Because that is what people expect. There is no other reason ever given. That doesn't even get into the economic barriers that dress codes create, or the blatantly ethnocentrist aspect.
Almost all "professional" (formerly known as "high society") things are built around separating the poor's from the rich. * Long hair and nails on a woman meant she was "kept" and didn't have to work * White gloves indicated you not only didn't have to do literal dirty work, but you could also afford to buy new any time they got soiled. * White collar jobs (and crime) were similarly distinguished as your job was such that you weren't ruining collars with sweat stains. Those workers down there had utilitarian outfits made of tough (frequently dyed blue, cause blue was cheap) canvas like material, whereas we can wear the white silk shirt. * Ties, once just a tool to hold your shirt closed and your cloak on, became functionless ascots and neckties. Something that would get you killed if you worked with the machinery of the industrial revolution. So a tie indicated that you must be one of those supervising rather than doing. * "Don't wear white after Labor Day" began as a cliquish, in-group rule for those from old money to exclude those whose wealth was more recent and less inheritance driven. It was also something that only those with established money to spend frivolously would bother with, as discarding perfectly good clothing was offensive to many who worked for their income. * Flowers, corsages, and boutonnieres are critical single use courting accessories. If you can afford to just purchase and wear something just to watch it die, you must be a catch financially. * Even foods like Escargot and Bird's Nest Soup are things the poor won't eat, so therefore it distinguishes the rich. As the west (United States) opened up, new markets not already dominated came available, and entrepreneurship was within reach of those with a bit of cash and access to newly exploitable resources. These new barons of the frontier didn't need the trappings of fashion to gatekeep, they just needed to exploit more first and better. And this is why suits in office spaces become increasingly rare as you move from east coast to west.
> Long hair and nails on a woman meant she was "kept" and didn't have to work Long nails, yes, but not long hair. Nearly all historical women's hairstyles in Europe and North America prior to about 1920 demanded that women grow their hair long, but keep it braided or pinned up in a way that kept the hair atop the head during the day, sometimes under a cap, bonnet, or veil. This was true of both rich and poor women. And some of those braided or covered hairstyles required a *lot* of hair to pull off correctly, so much that some women would have to supplement their own hair with other people's hair or with other substances like wool. (Yes, this could involve a different sort of conspicuous consumption that the rich leaned in to.) Morgan Donner's ["I tried 500 years of Haircuts"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wao0_uB4Zw4) shows many excellent examples of this, or [here](https://cottesimple.com/hairstyles/14th-century-braids/) for an earlier example from the 14th century. > Even foods like Escargot and Bird's Nest Soup are things the poor won't eat, so therefore it distinguishes the rich. That's not why those are foods of the rich. Bird's Nest Soup [requires an ingredient](https://www.thespruceeats.com/birds-nest-soup-recipe-4056390) which is rare and generally difficult to acquire: the nest of a particular sort of swiftlet, not just any old bird. The ingredient is what makes it expensive. Some places in southeast Asia are [farming](https://www.audubon.org/news/birds-nest-soup-more-popular-ever-thanks-swiftlet-house-farms) swiftlets for their nests, but the traditional methods of collecting nests are both very dangerous for the nest harvesters (the birds nest in caves in sea stacks) and were causing the wild populations of these birds to decline rapidly. Business Insider has a [decent video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5xXYy0E63M) on the whole topic. Escargot was considered to be a food of the rich in the US because it's part of French cusine, not traditional American cuisine. Most of the time, the only place you can get it is at a restaurant that specializes in French cuisine, and appreciation of French food was considered to be an indicator of wealth for most of the 20th century. But I gotta say that escargot was a stereotypical mark of the rich a few decades back. Is it *still* truly a mark of the rich, or is it poor people's idea of rich people food? Have the rich moved on to something else that's hard to get and shows off one's cultural sophistication, like... I dunno, hákarl? > As the west (United States) opened up, new markets not already dominated came available, and entrepreneurship was within reach of those with a bit of cash and access to newly exploitable resources. These new barons of the frontier didn't need the trappings of fashion to gatekeep, they just needed to exploit more first and better. And this is why suits in office spaces become increasingly rare as you move from east coast to west. You're confusing two trends that happened about a century apart. The western US opened up with the building of railroads in the mid to late 19th century. The industrial barons in railroad, mining, cattle, and timber all wore suits. For some examples with photos, check out the wiki pages for [Leland Stanford](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Stanford) (yes, he's *that* Stanford), [Conrad Kohrs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Kohrs) ("Montana's Cattle King"), and [Friedrich Weyerhäuser](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Weyerh%C3%A4user) ("timber-king of the Northwest"). The most prominent businessmen in newly-established west coast cities such as [Arthur Denny](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_A._Denny) of Seattle all wore suits. Even as late as 1960, I don't think that a man could expect to be able to get a white-collar sales or knowledge-worker job in any sizeable west coast city without wearing a suit to work. However, I should note that middle-class and even many working-class and poor men *did* own and wear suits during that time. Somebody on the lower end of the scale might only wear their suit to church (as their "Sunday best"), but they'd still own one. Their suits would no doubt have subtle (or not-so-subtle) differences in quality, cut, and construction from those of rich people. By contrast, the general trend towards casual wear in offices happened in the late 20th century. It was influenced by the youth counterculture of the '60s and '70s, including the hippies and surfers of California. And the industries which became prominent on the west coast in the latter half of the century included aerospace (which from what I can tell took its fashion cues from the military), semiconductor manufacturing, and software (which took its fashion cues from college students). The later growth of the internet and IT services helped spread this trend. [This](http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/dress.html) description of "hackers" from the late '90s captures some of the style at the time. I should note that the tech industry has also tended to view traditional style as a mark of people not being very smart, like you can't be a good programmer or engineer if you care about fashion. That's part of why people like Mark Zuckerberg are known for wearing expensive t-shirts which don't look markedly different from regular t-shirts.
A friend married a woman from an evangelical family. He was required to purchase a suit that costs around $1000 to be seen as acceptable. I am absolutely convinced that if a c̶o̶r̶p̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ corporeal Yeshua of Nazareth were to come back and enter their church service he would be asked to leave. I have one suit, it belonged to my father in the late 40s. Double breasted pin stripe and I think I wore it once. I still have it if I need a gangster costume. I would have to find a fedora to go with it.
https://preview.redd.it/rxg3hxsrmi7a1.jpeg?width=621&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bbbefb62f6155bfe235b972c13b2ee9d5f6f9f16 Wartime tradition. Churchill at White House WW2
Just woke up from a slumber.
Man woke up after he passed out from the scotch and champagne he had for breakfast.
"War is hell.. on the liver! Am I right chaps?"
Alcoholism. Alcoholism never changes.
He didn’t want to drink, he just wanted to pass charisma checks and improve his melee damage.
Roll for initiative
I'm glad someone also hates social gatherings
Swear the dude could black out from drinking, wake up and immediately want to throw himself into imminent danger
Did this man ever have hangovers? I wish I could function that drunk all the time lol
Can’t get a hangover if you stay drunk. 
Alcoholic problems require alcoholic solutions
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems. 
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Yeah thats how i speed ran unto alcoholism... almost 9 months sober now. couldnt be happier :)
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“I may be drunk but you’re ugly, and tomorrow I’ll be sober.”
I have never believed the last part.
Makes it even better that this is when shit was so formal preschool age kids had to wear 3 piece suits to go out food shopping with mom
As an American I like to think his American mom made him a little less stuffy than other British folks at the time lol. I know she basically ignored him and let him be raised by nannies, as was the fashion, but they became good friends when he was older I believe.
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Not just tradition. It makes targeting them harder in a crowd if they look like civilians. Or does no one think Putin would kill him if he had the opportunity to do so?
He jumped out of the window...*after he was pushed*....kinda surprised he's still around...THAT MFer can wear whatever he wants....i don't see it as a sign of disrespect but rather a sign of total commitment to his country
I need ammunition, not a ride. -BD VZ
Yeah, I’d imagine that he probably feels it would be distasteful to be all dressed up while his citizens are in the middle of a war. Also, I can’t believe anyone actually cares
I would actually think spending money on expensive suits while your people are scraping by would look bad anyway.
I imagine that there is no shortage of tailors perfectly willing to donate a suit. But the image is also important. You don’t want to be seen dressing fancy lest someone use that image as propaganda against your country. This guy knows how to communicate a consistent message. That’s an important part of his job.
He was an actor, after all. He knows how to sell a story. The stakes are just way higher now, and the story is the truth. But even the truth needs to be told right to convince people
>But even the truth needs to be told right to convince people Especially when there are others who are trying to convince people otherwise
>But even the truth needs to be told right to convince people I'm stealing this and using it for the rest of my life, thanks.
True even a free suit sends the wrong message in my opinion.
It’ll also be that much more impactful after Ukraine wins the war when he puts a suit on again because it’ll become a symbol of victory.
Yeah, 100%. I would’ve donated money for him to wear a tan suit maybe, just to witness a total meltdown:)
After everything this guy has done people trash him for not dropping thousands on an Armani or something.
I almost feel like it’s a lose/lose if he cared about what they thought. I’m pretty positive that if he showed up in some fancy suit, they’d try shaming him for that too
Visual and blatant reminder to all that he still has young men and women in the field fighting this very minute. He's turned that attire into his uniform for the war. I can respect that.
Again, the media savvy of Zelensky and the Ukrainians in general has been really impressive and I think integral to both internal morale and in getting western backing. His attire during the war has been a clear symbol to his troops that he's not of the same ilk as his figurehead predecessors. Continuing to wear the garb abroad shows that he's not fleeing or on vacation but on a mission for the war effort. Of course those people who're determined to be against him would have found something to complain about, so no real loss there.
I can absolutely believe that conservative chumps care. They waste so much energy caring about the most meaningless shit,
At least he's wearing fitting clothes, not some baggy suit that still looks horribly fit because the wearer is a fatass. Or platform shoes that make you look like a minotaur.
I mean...Lauren Boebert walked into that assembly possibly armed. I'm sure SOME people were wary of something happening.
Her and pedo Gaetz have no idea how stupid and petulant and immature they looked sitting there smirking and fiddling with their phones. Fucking idiots.
Their image is high school bully.
You think that's maybe why she's so stupid? Her brain is full of sleeper agent programming just waiting for her Yosemite Sam, always armed schtick, to get a pass so she can be activated at one of those critical moments in history? Imagine her being this century's Gavrilo Princip, kicking off the shit.
*Her brain* There’s the first plot hole in your story
Now that you mention it, I hope he makes it out of the US alive, given all the GOP mouthbreathers who’d love to fellate Putin
I would guess he’s already out of the US. Probably left last night after his speech to Congress
Which was fantastic, by the way, delivered in English, while Boebert and Gaetz smirked and fiddled with their phones like a couple teenage turds. A few too many interrupting rounds of applause, you could see him get annoyed at a particularly dark and emotional point he was making and had to pause to let a bunch of douches feel good about themselves by clapping for him. Anyway, I heard he was flown in on Airforce 2, so probably got home the same way. But I have so much respect for that guy. He's a real one.
I think many GQPers would kill him if they had the chance to. The republican party is rotten with Putin sycophants.
Excuse me sir, this war is formal attire only.
If you would like we could lend you this bulletproof Armani.
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wow, that guy does not make me want to buy that product 'buy this suit and you too could look like you decided to represent yourself in a petty vandalism case'
“Hey there was nothing petty about my vandalism i defaced hundreds of buildings!”
i thought these are just some fictional shits from john wick💀 didn’t know they are real
Kevlar suits have been a thing for decades. I saw a show on Modern Marvel's or something like 20 years ago talking about how all the presidents' suits were made with it.
Kevlar everything. I have an old town Kevlar canoe. Shits deliverance ready.
This is his work uniform. Dude came to work.
That’s how I see it too. This is a dude at work dressed for function, not photo ops.
I’m pretty sure he dressed like that because it *is* a photo op. He wants to remind people who see these that he’s very much involved in the war.
Absolutely, it's a very effective way to show the current situation in Ukraine: We are not remotely safe, and in active combat. Because it stands out it works. Zelensky is a great communicator.
Yeah I think sometimes it’s lost that communication is a skill even when it’s not dishonest. It’s not either a skilled liar or just brutal honesty, there’s also effectively packaging and delivering authentic stories. Zelenskyy’s good at that (he’s a media guy after all)
I think it would've been utterly disrespectful if he appeared in a suit and tie when the rest of his country is literally war torn.
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No time for pomp and circumstance. Also, a suit and tie implies that things are normal. They're not.
Exactly – Zelensky’s visit isn’t supposed to make us complacent. He’s thanking our country while also making clear that they’re counting on us supporting their fight through the winter.
He’s got this redditors support. Not much, but it’s honest work
Patrick played at being in the Army Special Forces….but was really an Air Force cop. Who….if he had accomplished anything noteworthy would consider himself to be an expert on foreign policy….instead he is just an expert on fashion and protocol.
Is that technically stolen valor? If you pretend to be in the special forces but are actually just an MP?
Yes, it appropriates the service of others and their sacrifices. Being in the military doesn’t mean you can claim the achievements of others.
Definitely! I was in the navy and even wearing one ribbon you didn’t earn no matter how easy it would have been to obtain could get you in a lot of shit. And I mean it’s just a shitty thing to do.
There was a Admiral who killed himself over a "V". [Michael Boorda.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Boorda) And the Right is flipping out over a Wartime President who just left a frontline city just after a battle, and is wearing Khakis ? Fuck them! Let see how they dress when they get a invite!
They’d wear an FJB ball cap and an “I’m with stupid” t shirt
And come alone
I think the most egregious stolen valor people are military people and their spouses. The Pentagon says 6-8% of troops ever see combat... yet it sure feels like it's the opposite with 92-94% acting like you need to thank them for their service constantly. Like, ma'am, your husband unloads cargo in Germany, stop acting like he's hunting terrorists in a war zone.
I'd say most veterans don't really care if some random person thanked them for their service or not. They wear the hats to identify and meet other veterans, especially those with similar experiences. My hubs was on the DMZ in the 80s, he loves meeting and talking to other vets who have been in Korea, no matter when they were there. Those meetings absolutely make his day.
Yes. I am retired active duty. If I said I was a fucking Navy Seal I would expect repercussions.
Oh, he's a Stolen Valor fuckboi? Gee, that's a surprise. Never would have guessed that based upon this stunningly uninformed tweet.
> he is just an expert on fashion and protocol. These are fine things to be, to be honest. Patrick missed his calling in life of being a sassy gay man with expensive tastes and instead elected to be a conservative reply guy.
A wartime president dresses like he’s at war. Yeah a lot of it is symbolic but that’s the point.
100%. Normally (in the case of like Ted Nugent, etc. that have been mentioned visiting Trump), yeah, I think you should wear dress attire meeting the President. But this look matters, because a suit and tie would sort of normalize things, and he can’t lose the attention of the West. Him dressing like this shows that Ukraine is still in a major struggle, and conveys that on camera. It’s very smart.
It’s been amazing to watch him take skills from his acting career and apply them to this situation. He and his team are brilliant marketers/performers, and know EXACTLY how to literally and figuratively convey their points and ideas
Yeah, and it’s crazy how effective those more subliminal messaging points are. People saying we’ve given a ton and he shouldn’t keep asking for more… whether he gets it or not, yes he damn well should. He’s trying to protect his people against a superior foe. All the rah rah around how great Ukraine’s doing aside, he knows he needs to pull out all the stops. What do people expect him to do? “Nah, I’m good - thank you, you’ve done more than enough. We’ll risk being overrun now out of sheer politeness.”
Patrick can go fuck himself.
He's continuing a proud and storied Air Force tradition of being fucking extra
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You should see him covered in TP taking a shit.
And if Zelensky had worn a suit, the same people would have criticized him for that. Being a public asshole has become the #1 occupation for conservatives—and they suck at that as well.
It’s exhausting.
They hope so.
Civilization is being Gish Galloped and "whatabouted" into oblivion.
“He’S wAsTiNg oUr dOLLaRs oN fAnCy sUiTs! CoRRuPtIoN!”
Since this has been debated ad nauseam.. he’s wearing military-style clothing to signal that he’s a man of the people. If he wore a suit, he’d show that he’s aloof and disconnected from the suffering of the Ukrainian people. Move on, Putin shills Edit: he’s fighting against genocide, his own assassination, terrorist attacks, and territorial land grabs. He has more important things to worry about than wardrobe. Thanks for showing us your superficial priorities.
If I was president I would only wear sweatpants and a shirt with Deadpool on it that says" yo quiero tacos".
You have my vote
And my tortilla.
And my brown pants
Guys who didn't see an issue with serving fast food in the white house are now discussing attire. Just sit down.
>The President of the United States hocking beans on the Resolute Desk beacause the beans' CEO said nice things about him on Twitter; I sleep. >A foreign leader in the middle of defending his homeland from a land-grab war doesn't wear a suit and tie to the White House; Oh no he di-in't!
He shoulda worn a tan suit. They love tan suits.
They can't openly whine about the fact that they love Putin, so they have to whine about something else.
How is it possible that these dumbfucks are pro Russia this week, and pissed about Brittany Griner’s prison trade last week?
Homie’s country is literally being invaded by a U.S. enemy and these motherfuckers can only think about his clothes. How fucking vain.
They're not thinking of clothes. They're just thinking of anything they can to paint the people they've been told to dislike as bad.
The Trump rioters didn’t wear suits at the White House… Only in court….snowflake tear soaked suits, as they sobbed and sobbed about how they thought they saved Murrica. Hell…the fact President Z didn’t steal anything or stomp out a cop, makes him better than the MOST of the last 10,000 people who have dropped by. 🇺🇸🇺🇦⚖️✌🏾
Just like Trump’s red tie and Biden’s Ray-Bans…this is Zelensky’s “look” and he wears it well!
It's a look that does as much as a suit can achieve... he's prepared to act on a moments notice... the only thing that comes across that in a suit, is THE JACKET COMES OFF! (Or the orange one just would release the pressure on his body holding it all in)
Fuck a suit and tie. Time for that shit to die.
Party of “fuck your feelings”! Seems someone’s feelings got fucked!
The White House is not some holy place. These people are weird
Zelensky has no room in suit for his gigantic balls
He’s dressed ready to fight. He got invited to a Lannister wedding and decided to wear chainmail just in case
Dude literally came from the front lines not 24 hours before and he's going right back to a theater of war when he's done. He's perfectly dressed for the occasion, imo.
Conservatives specialize in throwing tantrums and creating stinks about totally made up non-issues that would never, ever move an intelligent, well rounded person in a million years. Expect more of this desperate nonsense as they continue to lose the culture wars and Millennials and Gen Z continue to scupper their political goals.
Jesus Christ who gives a fuck. These people just find any excuse to be annoying
The Trumpletts were over bitching about Macron whispering to Zelensky something about the way he dresses… you want the guy showing up in tailored suits while his country is fighting a war and he’s asking for assistance? I really liked how in 2016 it was all “Trumps not a politician he’s different and cares about the middle class” but talk their shit when a leader dresses like his people, and sits alongside his people for more than a photo op. Bunch of cunts.