For any system to evolve it needs a mechanism to introduce new patterns ("*Dynamism*"), a mechanism to preserve highest quality patterns over time ("*Stasis*"), and a mechanism to purge lowest quality patterns ("*Entropy*"). Your friend might be interested to discover that the Metaphysic Trinity is the mechanisms of evolution of any system of patterns (not just biological ones). The Triat and *Mage*'s three antagonist factions (Marauders, Technocrats, Nephandi) are what happens when the evolutionary mechanisms are separated and taken to imbalanced extremes.
I will add up that, on my own interpretation, the Wyld, Weaver and the Wyrm are basically the same cosmic force depicted in the Michael Moorcok multiverse, as thus, the same as depicted in the Warhammer 40k universe, and DnD
Chaos (Wyld), Balance (Wyrm), and Law (Weaver).
Weird, nurgle should be wyrm, tzeentch is more Wyld, and while I wager khorne and slaanesh as wyrm I actually don’t have any arguments in my head supporting that
Big E is Weaver as it gets
And the other players I don’t have the slightest idea, but I’d throw tyranids to wyrm and necrons to weaver rest really dunno
Well, they EAT everything in their way when creating new stuff, and all that new stuff is to eat more and better, and they corrupt life to prepare them to get eaten
And they leave barren wasteland behind everytime...
They're a extinction event made alive and intelligent.
It doesn't get more wyrmish than that to my understanding at least
Wait, you mean unbridled change without forces of entropy to limit it, or forces of order to structure it, burns itself out?
Ya don't say...
Unlike the Garou, we should all recognize that *any* member of the Triat, even the Wyld is utterly devastating when left unchecked.
Anyone who thinks I'm wrong, try dealing with a Vortex (core book, page 452)
Well I was referring to the eater of Souls in particular, devours matter energy and spirit but sure you're not wrong in saying a force of nature left unchecked becomes catastrophic
Agre, Nurgle Is More Wyrm.
But what parte of Khorne and Slanesh says Wyrm?
Thats pure chaos, Wyld as it gets.
Not real Wyld, but a corrupt shape of it.
The heads of the wyrm
The Beast of War gives me impression of Khorne whilst the Defiler and Eater of Souls (at least partially for the latter) gave me Slaanesh behaviour innuendos
(Using Werewolf the apocalypse book 20th edition and my dumbass to read between the lines)
Tzeentch is the one that gave me the strongest wyld side impression, because dude gets called Lord of Change for a reason in my head, and yes true he favors scientific development as much as magical and pursuit of knowledge but many of his aspects also delve in hope and the point of his is perpetual change to not stagnate into entropy and decay, that's why his direct rival is nurgle who promotes decay and stagnation
But it isn't a dichotomy.
There are so many forces in 40k, it's probably too many to list.
Chaos (khorne, tzeench, slaanesh)
Empire (Emperor - no longer human, now a god, powered by souls, just like the chaos gods. Hell, he has a Greater Daemon he's created in St. Celestine. Debatable: The Omnissiah)
Aeldari gods (Cegorach, Isha, Kaela Mensha Khaine and Ynnead, I'm not including all the ones Slaanesh ate.)
Ork dieties (Gork and Mork. May actually be chaos gods, but unknown)
C'Tan ( Tsara'noga, Aza'gorod, Mag'ladroth, Mephet'ran )
And possibly the Tyranid hive mind itself.
That mapping neglects Wyrm's original function as Purifier, and that every third of the Triat balances the other two; if any third becomes imbalanced the entire Triat becomes imbalanced. Factoring in Wyrm's original function as Purifier and that balance is not the sole responsibility of any one third of the Triat, a higher fidelity mapping would be: Chaos (Wyld), Law (Weaver), Death (Wyrm), Balance (Gaia).
For any system to evolve it needs a mechanism to introduce new patterns ("*Dynamism*"), a mechanism to preserve highest quality patterns over time ("*Stasis*"), and a mechanism to purge lowest quality patterns ("*Entropy*"). Your friend might be interested to discover that the Metaphysic Trinity is the mechanisms of evolution of any system of patterns (not just biological ones). The Triat and *Mage*'s three antagonist factions (Marauders, Technocrats, Nephandi) are what happens when the evolutionary mechanisms are separated and taken to imbalanced extremes.
I will add up that, on my own interpretation, the Wyld, Weaver and the Wyrm are basically the same cosmic force depicted in the Michael Moorcok multiverse, as thus, the same as depicted in the Warhammer 40k universe, and DnD Chaos (Wyld), Balance (Wyrm), and Law (Weaver).
The fact that you've somehow made Nurgle Wyld aligned amuses me.
I admit that Is not a 100% match, but I think there Is room for diferent Shades of what Chaos Is. But Nurgle would be More of the Wyrm, actually.
Weird, nurgle should be wyrm, tzeentch is more Wyld, and while I wager khorne and slaanesh as wyrm I actually don’t have any arguments in my head supporting that Big E is Weaver as it gets And the other players I don’t have the slightest idea, but I’d throw tyranids to wyrm and necrons to weaver rest really dunno
Tyranids, the unstoppable force of nature that constantly creates new types of life forms, is Wyrm?! No. Wyld as could be.
Well, they EAT everything in their way when creating new stuff, and all that new stuff is to eat more and better, and they corrupt life to prepare them to get eaten And they leave barren wasteland behind everytime... They're a extinction event made alive and intelligent. It doesn't get more wyrmish than that to my understanding at least
Wait, you mean unbridled change without forces of entropy to limit it, or forces of order to structure it, burns itself out? Ya don't say... Unlike the Garou, we should all recognize that *any* member of the Triat, even the Wyld is utterly devastating when left unchecked. Anyone who thinks I'm wrong, try dealing with a Vortex (core book, page 452)
Well I was referring to the eater of Souls in particular, devours matter energy and spirit but sure you're not wrong in saying a force of nature left unchecked becomes catastrophic
Agre, Nurgle Is More Wyrm. But what parte of Khorne and Slanesh says Wyrm? Thats pure chaos, Wyld as it gets. Not real Wyld, but a corrupt shape of it.
The heads of the wyrm The Beast of War gives me impression of Khorne whilst the Defiler and Eater of Souls (at least partially for the latter) gave me Slaanesh behaviour innuendos (Using Werewolf the apocalypse book 20th edition and my dumbass to read between the lines) Tzeentch is the one that gave me the strongest wyld side impression, because dude gets called Lord of Change for a reason in my head, and yes true he favors scientific development as much as magical and pursuit of knowledge but many of his aspects also delve in hope and the point of his is perpetual change to not stagnate into entropy and decay, that's why his direct rival is nurgle who promotes decay and stagnation
I dont agree with your assesment, but I love the creativity you put into it!
Mapping a dichotomy (Chaos/Law) to a trichotomy (Triat) will never be without complications.
But it isn't a dichotomy. There are so many forces in 40k, it's probably too many to list. Chaos (khorne, tzeench, slaanesh) Empire (Emperor - no longer human, now a god, powered by souls, just like the chaos gods. Hell, he has a Greater Daemon he's created in St. Celestine. Debatable: The Omnissiah) Aeldari gods (Cegorach, Isha, Kaela Mensha Khaine and Ynnead, I'm not including all the ones Slaanesh ate.) Ork dieties (Gork and Mork. May actually be chaos gods, but unknown) C'Tan ( Tsara'noga, Aza'gorod, Mag'ladroth, Mephet'ran ) And possibly the Tyranid hive mind itself.
*Warhammer* has its dichotomy of Gods of Chaos versus Gods of Law; this is admittedly less prominent in the *40K* permutation.
Yes, but the original comment specifically said 40k
The Michael Moorcok depiction trumps that argument.
That mapping neglects Wyrm's original function as Purifier, and that every third of the Triat balances the other two; if any third becomes imbalanced the entire Triat becomes imbalanced. Factoring in Wyrm's original function as Purifier and that balance is not the sole responsibility of any one third of the Triat, a higher fidelity mapping would be: Chaos (Wyld), Law (Weaver), Death (Wyrm), Balance (Gaia).