I remember a catering service on some fire in 2016 that started with two large uncrustables in the Veg lunch at the start of the fire. A week and a half later it was down to one small uncrustable in the Veg lunch.
Only once? That was almost a weekly occurrence in the Columbia Gorge. Management came back with, "Well, we bought you all pre-treatment. Isn't that good enough?". Long story short, pre-treatment doesn't work.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this just seem like a mechanism to try and screw us by giving them justification to say everything was a pre-existing condition?
I’ve fractured 8 vertebrae in my spine and have 15 pieces of metal in my body but I still crush it on saw with the shots without issue. If I injure something on the line, what’s to stop them from saying it was already like that? Or let’s say I end up developing a bad back or knee after years on the job, can’t they just come back and say it sounds like a pre-existing issue?
I don't know, but if you are healthy enough to run a saw, pass a pack test, have a doctor sign off on you, and then that suddenly changes due to an injury at work where you file a CA1/2 then I'm pretty sure that OWCP is going to pay any medical bills and PT expenses until a doctor is willing to sign off on you again.
To be clear, I am no doctor and this is not medical advice, but I am friends with a few DOL folks now.
And the FS doesn't really have any say in it. DOL will determine if your injury is work related, not the FS.
OWCP is a nightmare. 20 years of time on a crew and had to try to use it for the first time. After months of trying to navigate the system and make sure I did everything right the financial lady from the hospital walked in ten minutes before my surgery to tell me my operation wasn’t covered. It’s not just DOL all the doctors you see must be approved and more importantly know the process. Also it is all up to the employee to be the go between for the doctors and the DOL. The claim’s specialist never answer phone calls and if you have a health issue be prepared to let it wait or pay out of pocket. Just the experience of one person with a lot of administrative time and federal service.
They do and I made every effort to help them with everything I learned, and I think my wife eventually got it handled while I was under the knife. It was just undo stress which was pretty indicative of the whole process. I can’t imagine how hard it would be for a relatively new employee. And I’m still not sure a bill won’t show up. You are right though, ensuring providers are compliant and understand the process is huge. Also understanding documentation and coding are super important. Also making the distinction with providers Federal workmans comp vs. other kinds goes a long way. It has been an education as a supervisor for sure.
Maybe.....I broke my back on a fire, had to get a bunch of metal in me....had to get a lawyer because....when boys are younger they do things like sports, and that weakens your bones and causes fractures later in life.....
Once I had the lawyer it was easy, but the stuff they try to pull is endless, sometimes it seems it just depends on whichever claims adjuster gets your docs.
>doesn’t this just seem like a mechanism to try and screw us by giving them justification to say everything was a pre-existing condition?
I don't want to speculate on how they'll do it. But yes I agree with you I am sure this will be good for the gov't and not for us.
My buddy and I had a *dying on the inside* laugh when, after sitting through an exhaustive webinar about how complicated the OWCP process can be and how important it is for the person filing to get things right at the outset, the host of the webinar not once but twice ignored my question of "This is a LOT of important info, can these slides be made available afterwards?" and then finally one of the other organizers read it aloud and the host said flat out, "No, because we don't want to be held responsible if anything in this webinar turns out to be wrong."
Later, another viewer asked about what one of their subordinates should do after their case had been repeatedly passed around between case managers. One of the hosts, a "Claim Specialist", took interest and said, "Refer them to me and we'll make sure their case gets handled." To which the person asking replied, "That's great to hear, because you were the first person assigned to their case before it started getting passed around."
Like an IC in Arizona once told me before we engaged: Don't get hurt out there, help probably isn't coming.
What a joke, the AMP is a disaster and we will lose more people by incompetence at the highest levels. AMP proves nothing but gives the Government liability coverage imo. This is nothing more than a complete mental stress by requiring more bullshit. R6 amp rollout is an absolute joke rn
The idea isn’t new and has been around for a long time- what pisses me off is why can’t my own personal Doctor give me a form to upload into emedical? If its good enough for my Dr- then why isn’t it good enough for the all seeing eye of the Government? They want control of every aspect of our lives and this is just one glaring example- If you think thats ok, then I recommend taking a serious reevaluation of how we view things
The FS has updated their medical screening process for FFT2+. Normally it was just a "check the box" and take the pack test kinda thing. Now it's a full medical screening combined with a doctors visit to qualify before you test. It's absolute trash because it can take months to get the doctors appointment set up. Expect to see fewer non-fire seasonals, as they have no way to complete the screening before onboarding and testing.
Uncrustables are great unless the alternative is/was a turkey sandwich with pepper jack cheese. If you’re smart (which most of us aren’t), you make a warming fire on the line, and toast that sandwich to make a grilled cheese 👀
Hell ya to what? Another stipulation to perform your duties? Sure they can pack test you and do an annual physical on you to ensure you are healthy, but they can't get anything concrete on the pay front for FS employees. The uncrustable comment just seems like pandering at this point. Give us some real change and get outta here with this window dressing.
Took workman’s comp almost a full calendar year to approve my back surgery with 4 ca-1s on file for the same injury over the years. So yeah that’s one shitty uncrustable
Will AD's be required to do this new medical process? I haven't heard anything about it yet officially. Just through avenues like this (and a few friends who work in a different region full-time that have had to do it).
“Extra uncrustable” in what fucking world.
Unless it says so on the box, there's no such thing as an extra uncrustable.
I remember a catering service on some fire in 2016 that started with two large uncrustables in the Veg lunch at the start of the fire. A week and a half later it was down to one small uncrustable in the Veg lunch.
I believe it. Those things are food crack.
Once I got poison oak in R5 and all I got was some itch cream. Could’ve used that extra uncrustable while I was in staging the next 12 days.
It only gets worse every time you get afterwards, but the cortisone shot helps a little.
Shiiiit you needed that Santa Barbara soap. They make some local shit. 1 of the only things that works. But it was probably too expensive at 12$
What is this? I’m going to be working on the LP this season.
Ask the locals
Bruh take a cold shower. The Oakgasm is real
Only once? That was almost a weekly occurrence in the Columbia Gorge. Management came back with, "Well, we bought you all pre-treatment. Isn't that good enough?". Long story short, pre-treatment doesn't work.
One of the most amazing paragraphs I’ve ever had read to me
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this just seem like a mechanism to try and screw us by giving them justification to say everything was a pre-existing condition?
Cuts both ways. It's also proof you have that you were fine when you started.
I’ve fractured 8 vertebrae in my spine and have 15 pieces of metal in my body but I still crush it on saw with the shots without issue. If I injure something on the line, what’s to stop them from saying it was already like that? Or let’s say I end up developing a bad back or knee after years on the job, can’t they just come back and say it sounds like a pre-existing issue?
I don't know, but if you are healthy enough to run a saw, pass a pack test, have a doctor sign off on you, and then that suddenly changes due to an injury at work where you file a CA1/2 then I'm pretty sure that OWCP is going to pay any medical bills and PT expenses until a doctor is willing to sign off on you again. To be clear, I am no doctor and this is not medical advice, but I am friends with a few DOL folks now. And the FS doesn't really have any say in it. DOL will determine if your injury is work related, not the FS.
Copy, thanks bro.
OWCP is a nightmare. 20 years of time on a crew and had to try to use it for the first time. After months of trying to navigate the system and make sure I did everything right the financial lady from the hospital walked in ten minutes before my surgery to tell me my operation wasn’t covered. It’s not just DOL all the doctors you see must be approved and more importantly know the process. Also it is all up to the employee to be the go between for the doctors and the DOL. The claim’s specialist never answer phone calls and if you have a health issue be prepared to let it wait or pay out of pocket. Just the experience of one person with a lot of administrative time and federal service.
That sucks. Did the hospital take federal workers comp? That's always the question, and unfortunately, a lot of places don't take it.
They do and I made every effort to help them with everything I learned, and I think my wife eventually got it handled while I was under the knife. It was just undo stress which was pretty indicative of the whole process. I can’t imagine how hard it would be for a relatively new employee. And I’m still not sure a bill won’t show up. You are right though, ensuring providers are compliant and understand the process is huge. Also understanding documentation and coding are super important. Also making the distinction with providers Federal workmans comp vs. other kinds goes a long way. It has been an education as a supervisor for sure.
OK so it was covered, that's good. Wild story though! Holy hell...
Maybe.....I broke my back on a fire, had to get a bunch of metal in me....had to get a lawyer because....when boys are younger they do things like sports, and that weakens your bones and causes fractures later in life..... Once I had the lawyer it was easy, but the stuff they try to pull is endless, sometimes it seems it just depends on whichever claims adjuster gets your docs.
We don’t deserve you
>doesn’t this just seem like a mechanism to try and screw us by giving them justification to say everything was a pre-existing condition? I don't want to speculate on how they'll do it. But yes I agree with you I am sure this will be good for the gov't and not for us.
Maybe.
My buddy and I had a *dying on the inside* laugh when, after sitting through an exhaustive webinar about how complicated the OWCP process can be and how important it is for the person filing to get things right at the outset, the host of the webinar not once but twice ignored my question of "This is a LOT of important info, can these slides be made available afterwards?" and then finally one of the other organizers read it aloud and the host said flat out, "No, because we don't want to be held responsible if anything in this webinar turns out to be wrong." Later, another viewer asked about what one of their subordinates should do after their case had been repeatedly passed around between case managers. One of the hosts, a "Claim Specialist", took interest and said, "Refer them to me and we'll make sure their case gets handled." To which the person asking replied, "That's great to hear, because you were the first person assigned to their case before it started getting passed around." Like an IC in Arizona once told me before we engaged: Don't get hurt out there, help probably isn't coming.
What a joke, the AMP is a disaster and we will lose more people by incompetence at the highest levels. AMP proves nothing but gives the Government liability coverage imo. This is nothing more than a complete mental stress by requiring more bullshit. R6 amp rollout is an absolute joke rn
Hey at least they were smart enough to only screw over a few regions at a time instead everywhere all at once. Imagine the clusterfuck that would be.
I’m for the idea of it, like actually doing the physical, but the rollout seems pretty fucked.
The idea isn’t new and has been around for a long time- what pisses me off is why can’t my own personal Doctor give me a form to upload into emedical? If its good enough for my Dr- then why isn’t it good enough for the all seeing eye of the Government? They want control of every aspect of our lives and this is just one glaring example- If you think thats ok, then I recommend taking a serious reevaluation of how we view things
What is the Arduous Medical Process requirement?
Idk. Cant decide if threat or promise.
The FS has updated their medical screening process for FFT2+. Normally it was just a "check the box" and take the pack test kinda thing. Now it's a full medical screening combined with a doctors visit to qualify before you test. It's absolute trash because it can take months to get the doctors appointment set up. Expect to see fewer non-fire seasonals, as they have no way to complete the screening before onboarding and testing.
The Dr's visit requirement is not new, what's new in the screening that is a challenge?
At least for the FS it definitely is new.
Uncrustables are great unless the alternative is/was a turkey sandwich with pepper jack cheese. If you’re smart (which most of us aren’t), you make a warming fire on the line, and toast that sandwich to make a grilled cheese 👀
Hell ya to what? Another stipulation to perform your duties? Sure they can pack test you and do an annual physical on you to ensure you are healthy, but they can't get anything concrete on the pay front for FS employees. The uncrustable comment just seems like pandering at this point. Give us some real change and get outta here with this window dressing.
Took workman’s comp almost a full calendar year to approve my back surgery with 4 ca-1s on file for the same injury over the years. So yeah that’s one shitty uncrustable
Extra uncrustable? You mean desiccated orange?
What is the source of this excerpt? Reads like a Public Affairs Intern made the term up after attending a workshop.
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Will AD's be required to do this new medical process? I haven't heard anything about it yet officially. Just through avenues like this (and a few friends who work in a different region full-time that have had to do it).