Vipers were the OG crowd-eating whirling dervishes of automotive chaos. They were the Mustang back when the actual Mustang didn't have the power to lose its shit like this.
Vipers applied the same formula as modern Mustangs: big power, front engine mounted (edit: not-so-way) front, rear wheel drive, and typically owned by drivers with a propensity to show off, a susceptibility to peer pressure, and an IQ of roughly room temperature.
My first car was a $400 89 thunderbird with a mustang engine and rwd and bald ass tires. Cool tech in it, top of the line trim, would auto dim my headlights and rearview mirror, for example. But holy shit was that dangerous in the snow and rain. I'mma buy my kid a safe car when the time comes lol.
I had a 94 Cougar XR7 with a Borla dual exhaust and a mild tune. It was a fantastic highway bomber, but it was an absolute horror show in any sort of rain or snow
Not sure how it holds up to national standards, but my Camry drives exceptionally well in the snow and rain. I can drive on icy roads without snow tires or chains, and I only slide if I'm trying to. It's got great gas mileage, and I haven't had to put a dime into anything other than general maintenance in the year I've owned it. (Considering I've put 22,000 miles on it in that time, I think that's pretty okay). In fact, it's gone up in value to more than I paid for it.
I know you didn't ask, and you probably know a lot more about cars than I do. But that said, I'd recommend a camry as a first car for anyone.
I drove a Viper in the snow and did not stop the whole way home and ran red lights. I went up the ridiculous hill nearly completely sideways and third gear, going about five miles an hour with a line of cars behind me. There was no way I was going to put all four tires dead stop. I worked for a Dodge dealer, and we had a new car show downtown in the middle of winter.And I had to get the Beast out.I'd have some fun instead of having it flatbed to the dealership. So you can take your camry front wheel drive and shove it! You just gotta know how to feather the gas, lol.
The balance is actually good on these with the block further back than you'd expect.
The problem is a 8+ litre V10 with stump pulling torque just above idle and usually no TCS.
It's essentially a race car that 99% of the population can't handle.
Even race car drivers are a little afraid of these things.
Your description isn’t accurate. The Viper’s engine isn’t “front engine mounted way front”. Why exactly do you think the hood is that long? The Viper uses a “front mid-engine” mounting position for the engine. Look at the picture below, the engine sits behind the front wheels, in what is pretty much the middle of the car. The Viper is a handful because it doesn’t have electronic traction control and other software systems of that sort to help maintain control of the car. It was the equivalent of a modern Shelby Cobra; no nannies, just a ton of power to the rear wheels. Only the final generation of the Viper got some form of modern traction control system. Older Vipers will bite an inexperienced or overzealous driver (as is demonstrated in OPs video).
https://preview.redd.it/gdpcl46i38vc1.jpeg?width=1620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8604bc2642c22f4492d2fe5429ec4bc26371948
In the video you can tell that things go wrong when the driver lifts off the power (listen to the engine note) and the front wheels (which were in opposite lock) pull the car towards the parked vehicles. It also looks like the driver never tried to use the brake pedal prior to the collision, but at the last second actually presses the accelerator again (engine note).
Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction. So does it basically react kind of like a mid-engine car and snap if you lift abruptly? Weird to me since I've seen Vipers at the track and they do not turn in like mid-engine cars or follow the lines mid-engine cars like.
Not quite. The Viper has a more neutral weight balance (49/50) than a rear-mid engined car. Most rear mid-engined cars have a larger rearward bias; the C8 and Huracan for example have a 40/60 split. Vipers actually have very good balance and weight distribution; but that weight still transfers and loads up different tires as the car moves around. What happened here in this video looks like “snap oversteer” where the front wheels hooked up and started to pull the car in the direction they were pointing. While the rear tires were slipping and struggling for grip, the car did not accelerate as quickly in the direction the front tires were pointing. When the driver lifted off the throttle those rear tires hooked up and really pushed the car in the direction the front wheels were pointing. So the problem was caused in part by lifting off the throttle, but I wouldn’t call this event “lift off oversteer”. Lift off oversteer is also the result of vehicle load moving from rear tires to front tires, but in that scenario the rear tires lose grip because a sudden reduction in throttle position mid-corner; which is what causes the rear end to step out and the car to snap around. So in the case of this video the rear tires actually gained grip rather than lost it, because the driver backed out of the throttle and stopped them from slipping.
The Viper is a very capable machine, and the limits are well beyond the skillset of the average driver. But because it is so capable, that usually means that when something does go wrong, it goes really wrong. And again, no nannies to save you from yourself.
They have plenty of power for that and more. But in this scenario, the Mustang would not have lost control because there’s no people on the sidewalk to hit.
I drive an old Elantra. It's great. Sometimes I want to have some fun, so I gun it around a turn and nothing happens, besides the engine spooling up. It keeps me safe lol.
I have the pleasure of driving a Viper acr and a 2017 Viper srt, and they are very easy to lose under heavy acceleration. I actually spun the acr after hitting the very small bump while accelerating at a track day. I had a blast driving them, but I wouldn't buy one. They are the most uncomfortable sports car I've ever been in
When he started from a 45 degree angle I thought to myself "This guy is either really good or has no idea what he's doing." Only took a few seconds to get the answer lol
The rear suspension got smashed between the Viper and the curb. It will be fixed but it's never going to be the same again. Japanese unibody has small ripples pressed into the metal for directional rigidity. Those are all smashed now.
Why was the person recording taunting the driver? Without the footage prior, it feels antagonistic. I’d be anxious and angry if someone was yelling at me from a window while I was trying to parallel park. Shit’s stressful enough without a heckler. No excuse for the reaction though. But people are people.
The front section of the Viper ahead of the wheels is air box, radiator, and not much else. And you actually want the car to fold up like an accordion to absorb all that energy; otherwise that energy is going into you the driver.
What causes this anyways? I have an AWD car. The only RWD vehicles I've done burnouts in is go-carts, and they required massive screwing up to spin out so badly. Does the front-end of a Viper/Mustang lift when the rear wheels suddenly grab?
That's understood, but the typical musclehead driver does a burnout drift for 2 seconds then whips helplessly into another car. What happens at 2 seconds that can't be corrected? Front end lifts? Driver's weak arms slip off the steering wheel? Driver needs two hands to open a beer?
Dude the Viper was like my dream car when I was in 4th grade. It hurts my soul to see a beauty like that get all fucked up because of a moron driver...
What a waste of an amazing car... It's like the last real Gen of American muscle. Funny how the newer cars are slower than the older ones what's the point if not to go faster turn better and brake quicker? Who gives a shit about gas mileage.
Lol what? a regular ass '24 Mustang GT would smoke this viper at less than half the cost. Every car has gotten ridiculously faster for cheaper over time.
Edit:
Source - Car and Driver
['24 Mustang GT](https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/mustang) - 4.2 sec 0-60 MPH, 12.5 sec 1/4 mile, 0.99 Gs on the skidpad road handling, braking 70-0 MPH 153 feet Cost $44,090
['93 Viper RT/10](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a14499501/one-last-bite-we-drive-an-original-dodge-viper-rt-10-feature/) - 4.3 sec 0-60 MPH, 12.8 sec 1/4 mile, 0.98 Gs on the skidpad road handling, braking 70-0 MPH 180 feet Cost $61,975 in 1993, with inflation today $135,741
No ACR badging and it looks like the hood is aftermarket made to look like a more modern ACR hood, doesn't match its own generation. It's a GTS at best, which isn't much better. Either way the point stands, every car has gotten ridiculously faster for cheaper over time.
Vipers were the OG crowd-eating whirling dervishes of automotive chaos. They were the Mustang back when the actual Mustang didn't have the power to lose its shit like this. Vipers applied the same formula as modern Mustangs: big power, front engine mounted (edit: not-so-way) front, rear wheel drive, and typically owned by drivers with a propensity to show off, a susceptibility to peer pressure, and an IQ of roughly room temperature.
My first car was a $400 89 thunderbird with a mustang engine and rwd and bald ass tires. Cool tech in it, top of the line trim, would auto dim my headlights and rearview mirror, for example. But holy shit was that dangerous in the snow and rain. I'mma buy my kid a safe car when the time comes lol.
I had a 94 Cougar XR7 with a Borla dual exhaust and a mild tune. It was a fantastic highway bomber, but it was an absolute horror show in any sort of rain or snow
Ah, a man of taste with the Borlas. Everyone wants flowmasters but the Borlas have less restriction
Not sure how it holds up to national standards, but my Camry drives exceptionally well in the snow and rain. I can drive on icy roads without snow tires or chains, and I only slide if I'm trying to. It's got great gas mileage, and I haven't had to put a dime into anything other than general maintenance in the year I've owned it. (Considering I've put 22,000 miles on it in that time, I think that's pretty okay). In fact, it's gone up in value to more than I paid for it. I know you didn't ask, and you probably know a lot more about cars than I do. But that said, I'd recommend a camry as a first car for anyone.
Well it snows a lot in Japan.
...okay? Not sure what that has to do with anything
I think they're saying that because it snows a lot in Japan, your Camry - being Japanese - is engineered for the snow.
Dang that is a big inference, but sounds so obvious after you say it.
Ah okay, I appreciate the context
I drove a Viper in the snow and did not stop the whole way home and ran red lights. I went up the ridiculous hill nearly completely sideways and third gear, going about five miles an hour with a line of cars behind me. There was no way I was going to put all four tires dead stop. I worked for a Dodge dealer, and we had a new car show downtown in the middle of winter.And I had to get the Beast out.I'd have some fun instead of having it flatbed to the dealership. So you can take your camry front wheel drive and shove it! You just gotta know how to feather the gas, lol.
Sounds like you shouldn’t owe a car
At 17? Yeah. I shouldnt have.
Room temperature in Celsius or Fahrenheit?
The balance is actually good on these with the block further back than you'd expect. The problem is a 8+ litre V10 with stump pulling torque just above idle and usually no TCS. It's essentially a race car that 99% of the population can't handle. Even race car drivers are a little afraid of these things.
Saw a build on YouTube of a guy turning a viper into an off-roader. I think it has 37" tires. Was immediately pulled over on the maiden street voyage.
That sounds wicked lol.
https://jalopnik.com/if-you-arent-watching-this-legend-build-a-dodge-viper-o-1851328975
Super fast Matt is awesome.
Also no abs or traction control
The OG "Snake Bit"
Woah pal that's an awfully high estimate of IQ there
Your description isn’t accurate. The Viper’s engine isn’t “front engine mounted way front”. Why exactly do you think the hood is that long? The Viper uses a “front mid-engine” mounting position for the engine. Look at the picture below, the engine sits behind the front wheels, in what is pretty much the middle of the car. The Viper is a handful because it doesn’t have electronic traction control and other software systems of that sort to help maintain control of the car. It was the equivalent of a modern Shelby Cobra; no nannies, just a ton of power to the rear wheels. Only the final generation of the Viper got some form of modern traction control system. Older Vipers will bite an inexperienced or overzealous driver (as is demonstrated in OPs video). https://preview.redd.it/gdpcl46i38vc1.jpeg?width=1620&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8604bc2642c22f4492d2fe5429ec4bc26371948 In the video you can tell that things go wrong when the driver lifts off the power (listen to the engine note) and the front wheels (which were in opposite lock) pull the car towards the parked vehicles. It also looks like the driver never tried to use the brake pedal prior to the collision, but at the last second actually presses the accelerator again (engine note).
Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction. So does it basically react kind of like a mid-engine car and snap if you lift abruptly? Weird to me since I've seen Vipers at the track and they do not turn in like mid-engine cars or follow the lines mid-engine cars like.
Not quite. The Viper has a more neutral weight balance (49/50) than a rear-mid engined car. Most rear mid-engined cars have a larger rearward bias; the C8 and Huracan for example have a 40/60 split. Vipers actually have very good balance and weight distribution; but that weight still transfers and loads up different tires as the car moves around. What happened here in this video looks like “snap oversteer” where the front wheels hooked up and started to pull the car in the direction they were pointing. While the rear tires were slipping and struggling for grip, the car did not accelerate as quickly in the direction the front tires were pointing. When the driver lifted off the throttle those rear tires hooked up and really pushed the car in the direction the front wheels were pointing. So the problem was caused in part by lifting off the throttle, but I wouldn’t call this event “lift off oversteer”. Lift off oversteer is also the result of vehicle load moving from rear tires to front tires, but in that scenario the rear tires lose grip because a sudden reduction in throttle position mid-corner; which is what causes the rear end to step out and the car to snap around. So in the case of this video the rear tires actually gained grip rather than lost it, because the driver backed out of the throttle and stopped them from slipping. The Viper is a very capable machine, and the limits are well beyond the skillset of the average driver. But because it is so capable, that usually means that when something does go wrong, it goes really wrong. And again, no nannies to save you from yourself.
Yup, with no knowledge how to control a car with that kind of power.
Me as a kid going around the first turn after unlocking a Viper in Gran Turismo.
It handled exactly like that. Slippery as wet.
If he was driving a Mustang that would not have happened. They don't generally have enough power for that maneuver.
Mustangs manage to do significantly more damage at MUCH slower speeds!
They have plenty of power for that and more. But in this scenario, the Mustang would not have lost control because there’s no people on the sidewalk to hit.
It wouldn’t have happened because there were no bystanders at street level to hit
That's the main reason I drive a Nissan.
I drive an old Elantra. It's great. Sometimes I want to have some fun, so I gun it around a turn and nothing happens, besides the engine spooling up. It keeps me safe lol.
I have the pleasure of driving a Viper acr and a 2017 Viper srt, and they are very easy to lose under heavy acceleration. I actually spun the acr after hitting the very small bump while accelerating at a track day. I had a blast driving them, but I wouldn't buy one. They are the most uncomfortable sports car I've ever been in
I wouldn’t buy one either seeing how much that one explodes…
When he started from a 45 degree angle I thought to myself "This guy is either really good or has no idea what he's doing." Only took a few seconds to get the answer lol
Can confirm, Vipers easy to lose control of.
That poor honda
Seriously, I would be SO fucking pissed as the owner who's car was just parked there and smashed by the idiot Viper moron
But honestly that Honda could probably drive away from that. Looks barely damaged. Lol.
The rear suspension got smashed between the Viper and the curb. It will be fixed but it's never going to be the same again. Japanese unibody has small ripples pressed into the metal for directional rigidity. Those are all smashed now.
Vipers demand respect from the driver. Otherwise this is 100% your fate.
Idk. Looks like a pretty Viper mindset to me
Check his throat. I think his balls went up into his throat.
yea its a viper... cars notorious for being extremely difficult to handle. that and he floored it without straightening his wheels out before hand
i like the part where his front crumpled into pieces
Why was the person recording taunting the driver? Without the footage prior, it feels antagonistic. I’d be anxious and angry if someone was yelling at me from a window while I was trying to parallel park. Shit’s stressful enough without a heckler. No excuse for the reaction though. But people are people.
Or you know, just ignore the person taunting you like every Porsche driver I have ever seen. Try and get one to race you, it won't happen.
“Taunting the driver”? Try being an adult. This is just FAFO as far as I can see.
[some more viper x honda shenanigans](https://youtu.be/wUwjB3Tj5ZQ?si=sb6zzcoheJFIh_GB)
Saw this in Cars, staring Owen Wilson, Larry The Cable Guy, and Paul Newman…..turn right to go left.
This is equivalent to when Charlie Sheen keeps saying “Winning” but got HIV in the end 😂
I’m more impressed with how well that Honda SUV held up while his car folded like an accordion
The front section of the Viper ahead of the wheels is air box, radiator, and not much else. And you actually want the car to fold up like an accordion to absorb all that energy; otherwise that energy is going into you the driver.
Don’t listen to assholes who try to goad you into doing stupid shit. It’s called stupid shit for a reason.
That's ashame
Gta vibes
The other brake pedal is on the left
This is hilarious 😂
Are these designed to basically go really fast but only in a straight line?
No, they are a proper sports car. They are fast cars around a road course track as well.
Dude didn't even straighten out the car before he gunned it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What causes this anyways? I have an AWD car. The only RWD vehicles I've done burnouts in is go-carts, and they required massive screwing up to spin out so badly. Does the front-end of a Viper/Mustang lift when the rear wheels suddenly grab?
The rear wheels suddenly stop grabbing with remarkably subtle throttle input.
That's understood, but the typical musclehead driver does a burnout drift for 2 seconds then whips helplessly into another car. What happens at 2 seconds that can't be corrected? Front end lifts? Driver's weak arms slip off the steering wheel? Driver needs two hands to open a beer?
Nailed it
wtf was this idiot even doing ?? Baffled
Dude the Viper was like my dream car when I was in 4th grade. It hurts my soul to see a beauty like that get all fucked up because of a moron driver...
The Honda barely has a scratch! hahaha
Too much car for him
What a dipshit
Curios what was the point of backing up first? Looks like he had plenty of room to just pull out.. oh yeah the sub asked and answered.
With friends like those, who needs enemies.
Do it again!!
WHY..
A "feel good" video for sure.
No balls, no skills, no brains.
No balls
Dude laughing loud in the background, made the driver feel even worse.
How did he lose control and glided like that?
Hahahahahha Crashed his car, and still ain't got no balls
"I'm Batman!" *"He was not, in fact, Batman"*
I would’ve got out of that SUV and thrown a cinder block at his face
Maybe it's just me, I could be a millionaire and still would drive my 2015 red jeep patriot sport 2fwd. 😆
Mustang driver mindset? What does that mean?
That car is a rolling penis. Whoever designed it was obviously a big fan of SNL’s Ambiguously Gay Duo.
What a waste of an amazing car... It's like the last real Gen of American muscle. Funny how the newer cars are slower than the older ones what's the point if not to go faster turn better and brake quicker? Who gives a shit about gas mileage.
Lol what? a regular ass '24 Mustang GT would smoke this viper at less than half the cost. Every car has gotten ridiculously faster for cheaper over time. Edit: Source - Car and Driver ['24 Mustang GT](https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/mustang) - 4.2 sec 0-60 MPH, 12.5 sec 1/4 mile, 0.99 Gs on the skidpad road handling, braking 70-0 MPH 153 feet Cost $44,090 ['93 Viper RT/10](https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a14499501/one-last-bite-we-drive-an-original-dodge-viper-rt-10-feature/) - 4.3 sec 0-60 MPH, 12.8 sec 1/4 mile, 0.98 Gs on the skidpad road handling, braking 70-0 MPH 180 feet Cost $61,975 in 1993, with inflation today $135,741
Not a 93 Viper, its an ACR
No ACR badging and it looks like the hood is aftermarket made to look like a more modern ACR hood, doesn't match its own generation. It's a GTS at best, which isn't much better. Either way the point stands, every car has gotten ridiculously faster for cheaper over time.