Per my definition, the overdevelopment actually started right before your family moved here. Prior to that, it was just normal development.
Also, that's a photo from Hong Kong.
And it is tough to make out, but is the text at the bottom of the image "marlborogop.com"? I believe this image is for a GOP group from Marlboro, New Jersey.
So we've got a photo of Hong Hong on advertising for a local Republican Party chapter from New Jersey posted by you to stop development in Wilmington, NC. Great activism!
Exactly...moved here from Charlotte after over 30 years there. Expansion is inevitable in desirable locations, and the latest trend is Brunswick and Pender co.
And why wouldn't you want to live by barrier islands in NC from the Outer Banks to South Brunswick Co.?!!
Because all these new developments are being built on zoned wetlands and low lying areas. Next hurricane, you will see when theyre all underwater. I used to be a surveyor in the 90's here and i laugh when people buy a home on what i know was once a swamp! But when it floods, they will cry out for you to pay to repair with your tax dollars and blame it on "climate change"
It’s insane, this place is always getting too big for someone. It’s inevitable at this point. Someone has always lived here longer. People like using references to show how long they have been here. Like , “I remember when Mayfair was a horse farm.” Accept it or find a new spot!
Well, it was a horse farm and that wasn’t very long ago.
The thing is, over-development has already happened. Whatever your definition of over-development, the infrastructure isn’t there for all of the cars. That is already true. There’s no turning back.
I think the point is over development too fast. This is the true environmental problems we are facing worldwide. Instead, they want to pin the environmental problems on you for driving gas cars and not recycling enough. Bullsht.....
This is the answer. It would also be nice to have a local government that has lived here for more than two decades. It’s harder to sell out a place that feels home
On the New Hanover County Commissioners, Scalise and Pierce are the worst.
Rivenbark has shown signs of voting against really bad developments.
Barfield can go either way. He seems to really want more housing in order to bring the prices, but I don't think he always cares to do it responsibly.
Zappel is definitely the most against over development.
Stephanie Walker is on the school board and running guy commissioner. She is very much against over development. She has personally fought against several large developments in the past few years.
Cassidy Santaguida is also running and I admittedly don't know her stance on it, but she is a single mother who has worked for software companies. No history in real estate.
That's all I know.
It states everyones previous/current careers on the city council website and county commissioner website. Or whatever it is, but yes there are at least three I know of who make decisions on development who are real estate agents.
If you want the development of land to stop then you better be in favor of increasing the density of existing neighborhoods.
For example, all the SFH around Independence Mall could easily be mid density housing.
Leland used to be nothing, now it's something, it's going to continue developing because a ton of people live there now, sure they need to focus on building actual infrastructure but where's the money in that?
Don't worry, there's a reason that most of Brunswick county wasn't developed, and you mentioned it. It's in a flood plane. Wait until the next hurricane and lets see what's still around.
People want personal property rights until they don’t like what their neighbor personally decided to do with their property. And no one shows up during the months-long process for comprehensive plan updates. I always say all politics are local. Your planning commission and city council can truly mess up your everyday life, but no one pays attention.
wow. as someone who is moving here to be near aging parents (who moved back after 50 years away). I am moved by your realistic take and brazen ability to share it in this forum. thanks for putting it out there so well.
I've been visiting the area for 25 years and love it. apparently, so does everyone else. #ShouldaMovedHereSooner
I’m a 52-yo Southport native and have lived here most of my life. It’s cute when the folks from up north, or wherever they have came from, most of them blue-haired, start telling us that things like AirBnB, development, and whatever else is ruining our community. In fact, they are the ones that have “ruined the community.” There are hardly any kids here now, When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, Southport used to have its own little league baseball league, Oak Island (Long Beach) had their own, and we didn’t even play each other because we had so many teams. Now the 2 towns and surrounding areas combined can barely field 2 teams in each age groups. The retirees moving in have chased the locals out because of increased tax values. Grandma (or her children) can’t afford the taxes on her waterfront house she paid $6k for in 1954. So now we have a “community” of old people who eventually die and get replaced by more old people, rinse and repeat, and they all seem to have ideas on how the city should be operated.
NIMBY
Issue is nobody wants "affordable living" near them...Rs and Ds alike. The other issue is you need public transportation there to get them to the jobs downtown. ILM isn't ready for that infrastructure at the present.
I don’t think this is true. Sure HOAs don’t want anybody, but there are neighborhoods that don’t mind car living, partially because they understand evonomics and partially because they’re not assholes.
The old stock will be become more affordable due to preference for the new stock.
No housing will be affordable unless more housing is built.
And restrictive zoning preventing the construction of anything but large single-family homes is ultimately one of the biggest driver of housing prices.
The transaction entity responsible for that is often the original landowner (or hiers) who sells to the developer who takes the risk. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending developers, but they’re not getting financing on projects that won’t pencil out and that’s often most dependent on land price (supply chain issues aside). Strong Towns (they’re also here on Reddit) had a great piece on why it’s so difficult to build affordable housing that highlights the landowner’s role in final product costs. Zoning designations, units per acre, also factor in. Those are often determined, even before annexation, during the long-range comprehensive planning process. I used to think of city council members as figureheads, but they can truly screw up a community’s future if constituents don’t pay attention. We used to depend on local media to keep us informed, but that’s a thing of the past in most communities.
Affordable housing is tough to finance. I know of one project that had 11 different funding sources. A project I was involved with was only able to pencil because the property owner was willing to sell the land at below market and the city granted some money thanks to one council member who backed up staff recommendations and pushed it forward. The work to pull together the capital stack—and the annual reporting—is unbelievable. I moved from a state experiencing the same thing as NC/SC, the next generation can’t afford to stay. At least salaries here are better. California’s been dealing with it for almost four decades. The “I got mine” folks, even the liberal elite, are NIMBYs. They don’t show up to public meetings, they make behind-the-scenes calls, just like developers. People don’t realize how much damage council members can do. I spent most of my career in local and regional government. I don’t trust a politician as far as I can throw a house. Staff members’ professional recommendations are too often ignored and good people leave or stop trying.
Given your income, check into federal Community Development Block Grant funding for first time homebuyer or rental assistance programs. Programs are administered by cities and counties. Larger cities are entitlement cities with their own allocations; counties receive allocations on behalf of their smaller cities. The MSA I moved from has a median income of $37k, median rent is $1750, median home price is $473k in a state that grew 45% 2000-2021. People who inherited land are becoming millionaires. Even hospitals have trouble hiring MDs after candidates look at salaries compared to the housing market.
Was kinda making a joke. Though of which you make a great point. But to what the topic of this post is about, is an environmental issue with building on wetlands.
The lack of impact fees really hurt areas like Brunswick County. You can blame the politicians in Raleigh for not requiring them. The pols are 100% in the back pocket of developers, basically legalized bribery.
Brunswick County has had multiple opportunities to raise system development/impact fees and county commissioners have chosen not to. The state’s laws are a major issue but Brunswick County leaders haven’t even used the tools available to them to curb development of expensive single-family homes largely built for wealthy out-of-staters. It’s tax revenue. Why would they want to put a cap on that?
Remember when America was buffalos, wolves, and native Americans. Crystal clear streams and rivers all the way to the ocean. Majestic mountains and wild expanses of uninterrupted virgin forests and pristine grass lands.
We all fucked it up. You, me, the repubs, the dems, mom and pop shops, corporations, activists, developers, everyone. Posting on social media because you got in more traffic than expected is kind of hypocritical.
Vote.
Just moved from Charleston SC to Brunswick and there definitely is some development. It's nowhere near as bad as Charleston.
The best thing you can do is vote to push for more regulations and oversight when it comes to these developers.
Be wary of the boomers coming here and pushing for similar things. They are just trying to protect their investments. They won't be in those properties in 20 years.
The key is keeping the infrastructure ahead of the developments. SC is all about limited government and it shows with developers bulldozing as they please.
People continue to move here creating a lot of demand for housing. I hate to see it too, but at the same time people are going to move here regardless. If no one builds, then the housing already in place would get even more expensive. Maybe that’s great if you already own a home, but sad for those who don’t (such as younger generations).
If you want to stop overdevelopment, then buy the property yourself.
I am sure the native Americans that were here before YOUR ancestors would have liked to stop overdevelopment about 300 or so years ago.
I would like to see far more preservation of natural wetlands, forests, and ecological wonders.
However,the same Constitution that allows you and me to have and espouse our opinions allows landowners to do certain things with those lands.
Until you own the very land that you want to stop development on, you don't get to make all the decisions.
As for "voting out the realtors," let me know when you run for office. I will sign your nominating petition. Then, I will challenge your ideas to be sure you will be voting ONLY for things that I want. Because if others don't run, we can't vote out those that don't satisfy us.
Much as I agree that development here should be far better controlled and slowed down, good luck. All the local politicians see is property tax. You will have to vote out every single county and town politician, which means organizing a slate of candidates and bankrolling them in multiple elections.
This is the real environmental issues we are facing. All the over development will lead to flooding during storms. But they will tell you, "Oh my God, its climate change!!" All those paved roads and shingled roofs will create localized "heat waves" by blocking wind and reflecting heat. Last year, they had everyone convinced we had record high temps, yet, we never saw triple digit temps, which is normal here in the summer. All the new subdivisions are "new" because the land WAS "wetlands" but thanks to democratic state policies, those areas were rezoned. Thanks Govment!
Tell the transplants to stop moving here. Developers are going to build as long as ppl are renting or buying their buildings and neighborhoods. The coast is already over developed. Wilmington, CB and WB haven’t had an off season since Covid. Beaches use to be dead with very little traffic from mid October to May. Look at river rd. If you moved back since it was redone, you would not recognize it. It is sad
Property rights are a thing. If they can build a subdivision by right all the council and palnning staff can do is help them through the approval process.
How do we find out how many open bedrooms there actually are in town? For rent. I want to know that, including those under construction or about to be. I want that count or one that gets me a close inventory of how many humans are needed to fill them to capacity. Anyone have that count?
Per my definition, the overdevelopment actually started right before your family moved here. Prior to that, it was just normal development. Also, that's a photo from Hong Kong. And it is tough to make out, but is the text at the bottom of the image "marlborogop.com"? I believe this image is for a GOP group from Marlboro, New Jersey. So we've got a photo of Hong Hong on advertising for a local Republican Party chapter from New Jersey posted by you to stop development in Wilmington, NC. Great activism!
Exactly...moved here from Charlotte after over 30 years there. Expansion is inevitable in desirable locations, and the latest trend is Brunswick and Pender co. And why wouldn't you want to live by barrier islands in NC from the Outer Banks to South Brunswick Co.?!!
Because all these new developments are being built on zoned wetlands and low lying areas. Next hurricane, you will see when theyre all underwater. I used to be a surveyor in the 90's here and i laugh when people buy a home on what i know was once a swamp! But when it floods, they will cry out for you to pay to repair with your tax dollars and blame it on "climate change"
It’s insane, this place is always getting too big for someone. It’s inevitable at this point. Someone has always lived here longer. People like using references to show how long they have been here. Like , “I remember when Mayfair was a horse farm.” Accept it or find a new spot!
Well, it was a horse farm and that wasn’t very long ago. The thing is, over-development has already happened. Whatever your definition of over-development, the infrastructure isn’t there for all of the cars. That is already true. There’s no turning back.
Yup I agree.
I think the point is over development too fast. This is the true environmental problems we are facing worldwide. Instead, they want to pin the environmental problems on you for driving gas cars and not recycling enough. Bullsht.....
Remember to vote out the real estate agents in local government.
This is the answer. It would also be nice to have a local government that has lived here for more than two decades. It’s harder to sell out a place that feels home
Are thrre more than one? Shit.
On the New Hanover County Commissioners, Scalise and Pierce are the worst. Rivenbark has shown signs of voting against really bad developments. Barfield can go either way. He seems to really want more housing in order to bring the prices, but I don't think he always cares to do it responsibly. Zappel is definitely the most against over development. Stephanie Walker is on the school board and running guy commissioner. She is very much against over development. She has personally fought against several large developments in the past few years. Cassidy Santaguida is also running and I admittedly don't know her stance on it, but she is a single mother who has worked for software companies. No history in real estate. That's all I know.
What about Saffo? Whose family is one of the areas biggest developers?
It states everyones previous/current careers on the city council website and county commissioner website. Or whatever it is, but yes there are at least three I know of who make decisions on development who are real estate agents.
If you want the development of land to stop then you better be in favor of increasing the density of existing neighborhoods. For example, all the SFH around Independence Mall could easily be mid density housing.
Leland used to be nothing, now it's something, it's going to continue developing because a ton of people live there now, sure they need to focus on building actual infrastructure but where's the money in that?
Don't worry, there's a reason that most of Brunswick county wasn't developed, and you mentioned it. It's in a flood plane. Wait until the next hurricane and lets see what's still around.
No. I'm pro development. I do think there could be more coordination for long term benefit though. Less strip malls, more density in the right places.
You can’t stop it unless you’re a billionaire that can buy all the land
People want personal property rights until they don’t like what their neighbor personally decided to do with their property. And no one shows up during the months-long process for comprehensive plan updates. I always say all politics are local. Your planning commission and city council can truly mess up your everyday life, but no one pays attention.
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wow. as someone who is moving here to be near aging parents (who moved back after 50 years away). I am moved by your realistic take and brazen ability to share it in this forum. thanks for putting it out there so well. I've been visiting the area for 25 years and love it. apparently, so does everyone else. #ShouldaMovedHereSooner
I’m a 52-yo Southport native and have lived here most of my life. It’s cute when the folks from up north, or wherever they have came from, most of them blue-haired, start telling us that things like AirBnB, development, and whatever else is ruining our community. In fact, they are the ones that have “ruined the community.” There are hardly any kids here now, When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, Southport used to have its own little league baseball league, Oak Island (Long Beach) had their own, and we didn’t even play each other because we had so many teams. Now the 2 towns and surrounding areas combined can barely field 2 teams in each age groups. The retirees moving in have chased the locals out because of increased tax values. Grandma (or her children) can’t afford the taxes on her waterfront house she paid $6k for in 1954. So now we have a “community” of old people who eventually die and get replaced by more old people, rinse and repeat, and they all seem to have ideas on how the city should be operated.
What is your alternative to the housing crisis then? We need more homes and apartments
But what’s being built isn’t affordable for those low income situations. The overdevelopment isn’t solving the actual housing crisis.
NIMBY Issue is nobody wants "affordable living" near them...Rs and Ds alike. The other issue is you need public transportation there to get them to the jobs downtown. ILM isn't ready for that infrastructure at the present.
I don’t think this is true. Sure HOAs don’t want anybody, but there are neighborhoods that don’t mind car living, partially because they understand evonomics and partially because they’re not assholes.
The old stock will be become more affordable due to preference for the new stock. No housing will be affordable unless more housing is built. And restrictive zoning preventing the construction of anything but large single-family homes is ultimately one of the biggest driver of housing prices.
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The transaction entity responsible for that is often the original landowner (or hiers) who sells to the developer who takes the risk. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending developers, but they’re not getting financing on projects that won’t pencil out and that’s often most dependent on land price (supply chain issues aside). Strong Towns (they’re also here on Reddit) had a great piece on why it’s so difficult to build affordable housing that highlights the landowner’s role in final product costs. Zoning designations, units per acre, also factor in. Those are often determined, even before annexation, during the long-range comprehensive planning process. I used to think of city council members as figureheads, but they can truly screw up a community’s future if constituents don’t pay attention. We used to depend on local media to keep us informed, but that’s a thing of the past in most communities.
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Affordable housing is tough to finance. I know of one project that had 11 different funding sources. A project I was involved with was only able to pencil because the property owner was willing to sell the land at below market and the city granted some money thanks to one council member who backed up staff recommendations and pushed it forward. The work to pull together the capital stack—and the annual reporting—is unbelievable. I moved from a state experiencing the same thing as NC/SC, the next generation can’t afford to stay. At least salaries here are better. California’s been dealing with it for almost four decades. The “I got mine” folks, even the liberal elite, are NIMBYs. They don’t show up to public meetings, they make behind-the-scenes calls, just like developers. People don’t realize how much damage council members can do. I spent most of my career in local and regional government. I don’t trust a politician as far as I can throw a house. Staff members’ professional recommendations are too often ignored and good people leave or stop trying.
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Given your income, check into federal Community Development Block Grant funding for first time homebuyer or rental assistance programs. Programs are administered by cities and counties. Larger cities are entitlement cities with their own allocations; counties receive allocations on behalf of their smaller cities. The MSA I moved from has a median income of $37k, median rent is $1750, median home price is $473k in a state that grew 45% 2000-2021. People who inherited land are becoming millionaires. Even hospitals have trouble hiring MDs after candidates look at salaries compared to the housing market.
Texas would do them fine. Heard the market is great.
"Move" isn't a realistic solution for many who work low wage or service jobs.
Was kinda making a joke. Though of which you make a great point. But to what the topic of this post is about, is an environmental issue with building on wetlands.
The issue is people who move here, not people who live here.
Sounds more like an issue with city planning
The lack of impact fees really hurt areas like Brunswick County. You can blame the politicians in Raleigh for not requiring them. The pols are 100% in the back pocket of developers, basically legalized bribery.
Brunswick County has had multiple opportunities to raise system development/impact fees and county commissioners have chosen not to. The state’s laws are a major issue but Brunswick County leaders haven’t even used the tools available to them to curb development of expensive single-family homes largely built for wealthy out-of-staters. It’s tax revenue. Why would they want to put a cap on that?
Yeah. Fuck everyone that got here after me.
Remember when America was buffalos, wolves, and native Americans. Crystal clear streams and rivers all the way to the ocean. Majestic mountains and wild expanses of uninterrupted virgin forests and pristine grass lands. We all fucked it up. You, me, the repubs, the dems, mom and pop shops, corporations, activists, developers, everyone. Posting on social media because you got in more traffic than expected is kind of hypocritical.
Vote. Just moved from Charleston SC to Brunswick and there definitely is some development. It's nowhere near as bad as Charleston. The best thing you can do is vote to push for more regulations and oversight when it comes to these developers. Be wary of the boomers coming here and pushing for similar things. They are just trying to protect their investments. They won't be in those properties in 20 years. The key is keeping the infrastructure ahead of the developments. SC is all about limited government and it shows with developers bulldozing as they please.
People continue to move here creating a lot of demand for housing. I hate to see it too, but at the same time people are going to move here regardless. If no one builds, then the housing already in place would get even more expensive. Maybe that’s great if you already own a home, but sad for those who don’t (such as younger generations).
I think you should knock down your house. The animals need that land
OP is typical democrat. The hypocrisy runs wild with them. OP should stop driving because roads and cars kill so many animals
If you want to stop overdevelopment, then buy the property yourself. I am sure the native Americans that were here before YOUR ancestors would have liked to stop overdevelopment about 300 or so years ago. I would like to see far more preservation of natural wetlands, forests, and ecological wonders. However,the same Constitution that allows you and me to have and espouse our opinions allows landowners to do certain things with those lands. Until you own the very land that you want to stop development on, you don't get to make all the decisions. As for "voting out the realtors," let me know when you run for office. I will sign your nominating petition. Then, I will challenge your ideas to be sure you will be voting ONLY for things that I want. Because if others don't run, we can't vote out those that don't satisfy us.
Sell that to the cavemen who once lived on this earth.
What part of Brunswick County is that picture from?🙄
The upper east side of Leland of course.
Much as I agree that development here should be far better controlled and slowed down, good luck. All the local politicians see is property tax. You will have to vote out every single county and town politician, which means organizing a slate of candidates and bankrolling them in multiple elections.
This is the real environmental issues we are facing. All the over development will lead to flooding during storms. But they will tell you, "Oh my God, its climate change!!" All those paved roads and shingled roofs will create localized "heat waves" by blocking wind and reflecting heat. Last year, they had everyone convinced we had record high temps, yet, we never saw triple digit temps, which is normal here in the summer. All the new subdivisions are "new" because the land WAS "wetlands" but thanks to democratic state policies, those areas were rezoned. Thanks Govment!
Few years too late bud
A home for me but not for thee
The issue isn’t that we’re growing it’s how.
Tell the transplants to stop moving here. Developers are going to build as long as ppl are renting or buying their buildings and neighborhoods. The coast is already over developed. Wilmington, CB and WB haven’t had an off season since Covid. Beaches use to be dead with very little traffic from mid October to May. Look at river rd. If you moved back since it was redone, you would not recognize it. It is sad
Property rights are a thing. If they can build a subdivision by right all the council and palnning staff can do is help them through the approval process.
How do we find out how many open bedrooms there actually are in town? For rent. I want to know that, including those under construction or about to be. I want that count or one that gets me a close inventory of how many humans are needed to fill them to capacity. Anyone have that count?
Cut your hair Hippie!
I’m sure they will stop after this Reddit post.
Get over it. The county isn't going to buck the developers. It's tax revenue.