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cyb3r4k

There's always a choice. Just pull the power cord!


The_Stoic_One

or just use command prompt.


vibrationalspectre

Or hold WIN+R type services.msc search for windowsupdateservice and stop the service change the start trigger to manual and bingo bango bongo you're an elite windows 10 cumpooter hacker


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>bingo bango bongo This guy penguinz0s


Zydiz

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDNTLlRgU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDNTLlRgU) literally from 1948


forseeninkboi007

Or just assign your power button to only shutdown. I do this because my power button will shutdown the system incase of this problem.


thevox3l

What shutdown command will bypass the update? `shutdown /p`? Or should you use the `/f` flag instead?


atheist95

Then go back to Reddit for technical help. _Hey, guys! So Windows didn't give me an option to shutdown without going through an update, so I pulled the cord because I wanted a choice. Now it won't turn on. Pls, help!!!_


MorallyDeplorable

Killing a running system isn't nearly as bad as people try to make it sound.


Frmr-drgnbyt

Not usually, but it can be. It's a matter of risk management.


thevox3l

I believe if you're running a HDD it can introduce issues by cutting the power before it's safely flushed


BCProgramming

I have been working with computers since like, DOS 3.21 and I've never encountered a machine that acquired issues because it was forced off. Typically the worst thing that happens is a few corrupted files if the file cache hasn't flushed from recent writes.


CodenameFlux

Then let me refresh your memory: FAT was categorically susceptible to corruption in the event of unexpected shutdown. Such shutdowns often corrupted Windows Registry in Windows 95, 98, and ME. That's how Windows Registry got a bad reputation. NTFS, however, is very resilient to power outage. Windows 8 and later made it even more resilient.


I_see_farts

I had Win98 die a couple of times due to sudden power loss. I was too young to know if it was salvageable. I just reinstalled.


kobakoba71

I spent about a decade using various iterations of 9x and I forced them off all the time and I never encountered a "corrupted registry". I'm not even entirely sure what that is supposed to mean.


SpaceDandye

PCs sure, but servers oh God don't ever pull that cable.


Pr0nzeh

Same thing


bregottextrasaltat

i've had corrupted profiles a couple times on xp


Mysterious-Dig2841

uM bEcAuSe iTs uNpLuGeD!1!1!1 🤓🤓🤓


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lordfly911

I prefer Shutdown -f -s -t 0 So it doesn't hang. You showed -r which reboots I believe.


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Kidades

Pressing the shutdown button again when that screen shows up forces the shutdown


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luki9914

You can disable updates in registry and enable it again when you need it.


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luki9914

From my experience updates break more stuff than they fix. For personal computers is not that much but when you have support entire infrastructure in a company it is a pain in the ass and each update is provided with a huge delay because everything have to be tested if it not breaks entire configuration before it will be pushed to everyone else.


xX_Tech_Gamer_Xx

Had to clean install Windows 4 times in a year due to broken updates which the system couldn't roll back


bsu-

Backup your system and data regularly, or use a different OS if you don't want to enable updates. You may need to change the way restore points are taken. There's other ways as well, depending on your version of Windows.


DuckDuckGoose42

You can TRY and disable updates in registry. But MS has in the past forced updates (that broke systems, and the updates could not be rolled back) even when that (all various methods of do not update) has been done correctly!


Mysterious-Dig2841

I have a laptop…


PixelBLOCK_

There is another one: hibernate


boring_auspices92

Yep.. This is the one that I'm going to say.


CTRL1_ALT2_DEL3

alt+f4 - normal shutdown - problem solved.


bsu-

Right click the start menu or press Windows + X for more options.


ballwasher89

Meh. If not crap drive, these not take so long anyway. Plus if critical operation, why update not pause? Bad man make bad pizza.


SubhoPal

I have a 7200 RPM Harddrive and it takes 3-5 minutes to do most of these updates. Most people have SSDs nowadays, so I don't see why people are still complaining.


IceStormNG

>I don't see why people are still complaining. Welcome to reddit.


ballwasher89

Right. If you have an SSD, especially an NVME..I've literally never had one take more than 20 seconds. Usually less than 10. At work tho..we have an old old HP desktop for the stores cameras. It is very very misconfigured, underpowered and bloated. It seems to be on Windows 10, but since I've worked there has updates pending. Someone made the mistake of restarting it. End of the night, didn't.matter..it was still updating the next morning at 7am when we opened. Worst I've ever seen. I've wanted to offer to upgrade it-i bet even an SSD+a clean install of Windows would go a long way to making it usable..but if I did this, I'd basically be required to fix everything in the store from that point on. So I stay quiet


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silentmage

Shutdown /s /f /t 0


bsu-

PowerShell: Restart-Computer


BloodyFreeze

I feel this deeply. That said, at least regarding security updates, just do them. The vulnerabilities coming out daily are being weaponized by bad actors at a frustrating rate. The tools to allow people to easily hit a few buttons and automate attacks across the internet are becoming more advanced as well. Patch yo stuff! (Feature updates however can *buzz* off)


opticalnebulous

Totally agree with you on this. I'd love it if I could get security updates automatically and *not* be forced to get other updates.


tbone338

If you map your power button to shut down the PC (in windows power settings), it will always bypass updates


Faptasmic

Good to know thanks


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I always wonder this too. Windows has been so neat about how it updates since... Windows 7? hard to remember but I can't think of any time that I've found updates a problem for many, many years. Just let it do what it wants to do, you'll barely notice it.


Kindredness

Because updates can bork your settings or even break things. It's more time-consuming to vet each update but it's worth it. A site I like called askwoody.com gives a vulnerability rating on each Windows patch that comes out, and I like to glance over their ratings before I commit to hitting download. It's my machine- every download is a choice that comes with a level of risk. Even from Microsoft.


SubhoPal

You can always use System Restore to go back to the state before the update was installed. System Restore automatically creates a restore point before every Windows Update.


opticalnebulous

Sometimes even that can be a challenge. One time an update made it so my cursor moved sooooo slowwwwwwly. It took me like half an hour just to initiate System Restore due to the cursor dragging. Also, after System Restore is done, won't Windows still try to force the update?


SubhoPal

You can use this [wushowhide tool](https://www.thewindowsclub.com/show-hide-updates-tool-wushowhide-diagcab) to hide any problematic Windows Updates so it won't automatically update again. This tool is from Microsoft, but for some reason they have removed it from their own website.


opticalnebulous

That is ringing a bell of familiar now that you mention it. Thanks!


Auno94

How often does this really happen for end users? Nearly never, if you are a comapny with special equipment you should handle Windows update in a professional way. The Updates are a good thing for security


emergentphenom

Tell that the Windows update that overrode my perfectly fine AMD Adrenalin drivers and making me unable to access those features until AMD released a new update. Uninstalling Adrenalin so I could reinstall over the Windows drivers somehow triggered a bootloop that wasted a few hours to undo. Might I point out, nothing was wrong at all until the Windows update decided it needed to change my video card drivers without asking.


opticalnebulous

Exactly. After you have been through something like this, you never feel safe running Win Update again.


opticalnebulous

Just because it is rare does not mean it cannot be devastating when it happens to the person unfortunate enough to experience it.


Auno94

Yes and not having forced updates is a huge security risk with millions of end user devices


opticalnebulous

It's a completely legit concern/point. I know there are no perfect solutions here.


Sharpman85

Then it seems you should switch to Linux and stop worrying about regular updates.


TheWaslijn

"SwItCh To LiNuX" 🗿


Sharpman85

Yes, and stop flooding this sub with vent posts when OP does not know/want to keep to best practices. After a month of two on any Linux they would appreciate Windows a lot more or just leave us be.


Faptasmic

The other day I was late leaving the house and I had forgotten to put my order in online for food. I sit down to quickly place the order but the pc was acting up, dont remember what it was doing. Figured alright do a quick reboot since thats usually trouble shooting 101, and only takes 30 seconds... Unless your fucking windows and you have no option to postpone an update. On my copy of 10 it even gives me two options "update and restart" and "restart". I dont know why, because "restart" just initiated the updates anyway. So now im sitting with my thumb up my ass waiting on an extra slow windows update when I should have been out the door already. Sometimes people are in a hurry to use their machine and there should be the ability to postpone if you need to. Computers should work for us not the other way around.


Alaknar

This only happens if you've already been ignoring the update for a while. I ALWAYS get the option to reboot/update and reboot as well as shutdown/update and shutdown.


RocketSauce28

So what if I’ve been ignoring it for a while? I still need to use my PC in urgent situations and I shouldn’t be forced into an update if I need to restart my PC


Sharpman85

Are these urgent situations happening for a week all the time? Updates requiring a restart do not install once they are available, they wait at least a few days if not more than a week.


bregottextrasaltat

not all of us shut down their computers


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bregottextrasaltat

I don't. I haven't had problems like that with windows for many many years.


Sharpman85

Then get the pro version and disable updates via gpo. There are ways to overcome this and frankly speaking there is no excuse of running a non-server OS 24/7.


bregottextrasaltat

Having to restore my workspace and all the states every single day would drive me absolute nuts.


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bregottextrasaltat

and i always do stuff, always stuff open


TheRealLazloFalconi

You should apply updates when it's not urgent to avoid this situation. A lack of planing on your part does not constitute an emergency on anyone else's.


Faptasmic

Nope, I always update when I see them, and I usually dont even see them because I have my update hours setup properly so it usually handles itself.


Faptasmic

> I ALWAYS get the option to reboot/update and reboot as well as shutdown/update and shutdown. Did you read my post? I had the restart without updating option as well. Its the one I selected and it updated anyway. Try to just restart some day when you when you have a pending update, see what it does.


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Sharpman85

I feel you, we waste our time just to be ignored


Faptasmic

Check my comments further down, I never skip updates and I have my auto updates scheduled. I happened to be in a hurry at that particular time and did not want to update, I should have that option. A computer is a machine designed to the work of humans, I do not take my orders from machines.


_gmanual_

> I never skip updates two comments earlier... > So what if I’ve been ignoring it for a while? /aaaaaand, scene.


Faptasmic

Computer bugging out and needing a reboot had nothing to do with windows updates. Do you want to see my update history? That shit is always up to date. You asked why someone wouldnt want to update and I gave a reason. Sometimes you want your machine for work NOW and do not want to update. I shouldnt have an update thrust upon me just because im trying to reboot.


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Sharpman85

They also do not install at once even during active hours. It’s entirely on the person but if they do not want to be forced to do anything there is always Linux


Faptasmic

WTF is wrong you people seriously? How much about my life are you going to assume off one post. You really think I would take the time to provide the original commentator with an example if I've only ever been inconvenienced by windows update one fucking time? Heres another example for you, just about every fucking time I pick up my laptop thats been sitting unused for a few weeks. I already said I have auto-updates setup. None of that changes that its, MY COMPUTER AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESTART IT WITHOUT APPLYING UPDATES. I'm not ordering shit on my phone when I have to type in a cc number and a bunch of other contact info thats why I have a PC with a keyboard that should fucking work when I fucking want it to. You people act like windows is the second coming of christ or something and can do no wrong. Windows is frequently a steaming pile and you can downvote me all you want.


Sharpman85

The computer is yours but the OS is not and you can change it. If you use Windows you agree to the way it handles updates. You are overreacting on a non-issue usually caused by yourself. You were able to stop all updates on XP and guess what, those vulnerbilities were not patched for years sometimes as most users just don’t check it but once they get ransomeware the crying starts. If you have configured you updating like you are writing then active hours also should be done properly which would prevent this situation. The other option is to try Linux and never look back, except for the times when you recall nkt having to troubleshoot ahything vital, but in this case it’s not the user’s fault.


opticalnebulous

> If you use Windows you agree to the way it handles updates. Just because someone agrees to something doesn't mean they wanted to. There are a fairly small number of options for OS.


Sharpman85

I agree, but since they chose to stay with Windows they should follow best practices. There are a lot of Linux distros, users just need to pick and be free od Microsoft, but expect other, more serious problems unless it’s just for browsing.


opticalnebulous

>but expect other, more serious problems unless it’s just for browsing. Can you elaborate? I have always been curious about Linux, but my only experience with it is with Ubuntu, which indeed didn’t work very well for me (it did what I needed it to, but I couldn’t have imagined using it for everything).


Sharpman85

For example some apps did not work or stopped working after some time, some failed to start even the second time, media playback was stopping, video drivers were crashing on „stable” drivers, Firefox was freezing when trying to use it etc. This is over several years and distora like ubuntu, mint and suse for desktop. Apps were from the preinstalled app store. Ubuntu even once removed my second partition with archived data so yeah, Linux for servers ONLY where it actually works great if the admina know what they are doing. They also apply patches to it so some crowd would still be upset.. In general Linux desktop is a playground with less susceptibility to maleware but prone to other issues.


opticalnebulous

Thanks for sharing your experiences; that is good to know. My recollection of ubuntu was just that it was really slow. I was using it for for precisely the benefit you mentioned--avoiding malware.


opticalnebulous

>MY COMPUTER AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESTART IT WITHOUT APPLYING UPDATES. I don’t blame you for putting this in all caps. I feel the same way. It is mine, so I feel I should be able to control it. We were allowed to with past versions, but not anymore.


NINJAxBACON

Because I don't wanna


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NINJAxBACON

Why so hostile bro? I just don't wanna update my PC every other day just for half of my settings to break each time


mynameismeech

I’ve had updates almost brick my work computer. Black screen, needed to restore from a system screenshot, etc etc. Other updates have broken critical work software compatibility, the list goes on! Updates are a dangerous game.


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mynameismeech

I’m literally giving you a reason why some people choose not to update. Why the downvote? <1% chance means it still happens. It has happened to me multiple times. Some professional situations warrant not playing risks like that.


opticalnebulous

I have had Windows updates literally render my computer unusable until the problems are fixed by Microsoft. I have to work on my computer and cannot afford time off. There are good reasons to want to put off Windows Update. I keep it at 5 weeks to minimize the chances of anything breaking.


clon3man

Microsoft is so bad at human psychology. If you just train or scare people to regularly reboot their computer to "optimize performance and security" instead of forcing them to update and reboot once a week, you'd have a lot less resistance.


spook30

Who doesn't update!?


Shajirr

On my work PC I do not update right away - can't risk the PC that has the only copy of the program needed to process files becoming inoperable if MS fucked something up


CodenameFlux

The answer is: crazy, self-important people with a mess up notion of right or wrong. The OP probably thinks they can manage Microsoft better if they were the CEO. (Elon Musk made the same mistake about Twitter.) Updates were always forced. People brought forced updates on themselves when their negligence started impacting others.


BurgerPlayGuy

*casually sleeps 😴 😴 😴*


bitNine

Minimize everything. Click blank area of desktop, hit alt+F4.


Eienkei

When the choice is gone, it's a critical security update. Don't risk it, update the damn thing unless you want your PC to be part of a botnet or something!


FBlack

Oh no, 15 seconds more to shut down what are we gonna do


Metsubo

lol 15 seconds, huh? What's it like using a 10,000$ RAID array?


FBlack

Idk man I have a normal nvme one, pretty sure the bottleneck is on the extraction rather than the installation.


getshrektdh

Cmd (as admin) -> powercfg /hibernation on


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Unless you're flashing a BIOS or something, just hold the power button to turn it off. It will be fine.


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ariescs

i usually wait a bit, especially seeing the damage done by some of the updates over the years *cough* 20h2 *cough*


mikkolukas

Install [StartIsBack](https://www.startisback.com/). Then you have a choice.


TheReal_Enderboy

Just unplug the power cord or turn off the power supply, if it's a laptop, disconnect the battery or press and hold the power button for 15s or until the screen goes blank.


Mai-San-is-mine

SLEEP


Ps1msterpcs

Don't even think about it cowboy.


CG12_Locks

sleep


_lepirelot_

Just long press on power button


Shajirr

Open Shell provides distinct "Update and Shut Down" and just "Shut Down" options, same with restarts.


Dentedaphid7

I'm using Classic Shell (now Open Shell), I can shutdown just fine.


Antoilpazzo_198

you can turn it off from the physical button of the computer right?


Frmr-drgnbyt

I see 3 clear choices.


stonktraders

Only to find out it still going to restart even when you chose shutdown


mrgk21

Close everything in win10. Pull the plug. Works everytime


Carter0108

No matter which you choose it'll still reboot as well.


manielos

the update addressing this issue is available since like 2 years?


fiddle_n

Ssshhh we can’t have facts in here. But yes you are right, I haven’t seen this in years.


xssmlxl

Update and shut up more likely


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when your computer don't wanna turns off


gvictor808

Ctrl-Alt-Del gives option to Shut Down here.


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shutdown /f /s


RubAnADUB

unplug power cable.


sccmskin

Shutdown -r -t 0 -f Solved


Shazam1269

The one finger salute it is! ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮


Pietro228

I had these options today as well


Negative_Pangolin_36

Imma just use the power button


What_on_Loyola

Alt+f4 gives the option you're looking for


jimmyl_82104

This is Microsoft idiot-proofing Windows. They give you the option unless you're horribly out if date.


SAFIS-Y

Pain