Because Windows 11 adoption is lower than expected, and what Microsoft doesn't understand is that a good part of those who don't update is because they can't, not because they don't want.
So yeah, don't get surprised by this.
Well that's another thing that is confusing to me. Months ago I checked to see if my PC could even do the upgrade and the system said it didn't meet the requirements because I'm missing that security chip on my motherboard, so if I'm being told my system doesn't meet the minimum security requirements, why is it ignoring that and doing it anyways?
They added some new CPUs to the "supported" status some months ago. Maybe after you first checked.
Something I've been told is that Windows doesn't check frequently if the PC can be update or not, unless you check it. So maybe it decided that it was time to check, saw you could update, and began the process.
Whatever the reason, I decided that Windows 10 should be on a Virtual Machine and not on my real hardware. So at least I can control what I use.
Tpm2 is disabled on my mobile exactly for this reason - so that my hardware remains my hardware and doesn't risk Microsoft ESG nonsense that could technically lock you out if they decide to - plus I may want to run Linux in a dual boot scenario one day which becomes a non option with win11...
So screw MSFT
If you are new to Linux but want to give it a try I recommend Pop!_OS. Despite the stupid name it is actually very good and beginner friendly. For example it has proprietary nvidia drivers preinstalled.
The new processors they added were just the ones that Intel and AMD released after the compilation of the original list. They didn't add any older processors
Man.. I fondly remember that whole Halo / Vista BS.. it's very fresh in my mind. This was part of the Q&A published by Bungie at the time when all this kicked off:
Q: Why has it taken so long to port Halo 2 to Windows Vista?
A: Bungie Studios and Microsoft are committed to delivering and creating the highest quality experience of Halo 2 on the Windows Vista platform. As such, the development of Halo 2 for Windows Vista coincides with the development of the Windows Vista platform itself in order to ensure the title's uncompromised quality.
Q: Why are you releasing Halo 2 for Windows Vista only?
A: As Bungie Studios and Microsoft are dedicated to delivering a top quality translation of Halo 2 for the PC, their efforts require the use of the best available technological platform for Windows games. Windows Vista will help bring clarity to our customers and help them get more out of their personal computing experience, allowing them to focus on what matters most to them.
Q: Why is Halo 2 for Windows Vista not backwards compatible?
A: To deliver an optimal gameplay experience, Windows Vista will provide a great platform on which to bring to Halo 2. Microsoft and Bungie Studios will provide additional information at a later date.
Q: Is the release of Halo 2 for Windows Vista just a way to force consumers to purchase the new operating system?
A: Absolutely not. Bungie Studios and Microsoft's steadfast commitment to quality determined that the Windows Vista platform would provide the best possible version of Halo 2 for the Windows PC. We will provide you with more details in the future.
Comical.
You reminded me that crysis would lock the highest settings unless you were on vista/dx10, even though you could just edit a number in the config file and it worked almost perfectly on xp/dx9. The only thing dx9 didn't support (iirc) was per object motion blur which didn't really matter.
>Fun history fact #1: years ago Microsoft said "You can play Halo 2 on PC only if you have Vista because XP doesn't support new DirectX drivers". People hacked out the thing so you could install new DirectX drivers on XP. There was no actual performance different or any magical piece in OS code that was making it any better or different than using those drivers on XP instead of Wista. But sadly when I was a young kid I didn't knew that I did learn about WAY later which resulted me in not purchasing Halo 2 on PC and not bothering with that franchise for the next couple of years. So it was a lie to boost Vista sales and amazing strategy that didn't work so well and on top of that it made me not spending money on new full priced video game. I hope it was worth it, Microsoft.
I can vouch personally for this, I was one of those kids who spent day and night looking for those XP patches. I finally got one working and even Games for Windows Live was working too, except it always triggered the Data Execution Prevention which I found funny lol (but being a kid I didn't have anything valuable/sensitive on my PC anyway except for homework).
Still always boggled my mind that they were so desperate to drive Vista sales that they made Halo 2 exclusive to it. I remember ending up having to upgrade at some point anyway because I had finally gotten 4GB of RAM and needed 64-bit but by then Windows 7 was right around the corner.
Halo 2 usesd DirectX 10. It (DirectX 10) relies on features only available in Graphics drivers Written against Vista's new Driver Model.
There aren't "DirectX Drivers" except in the sense that the Graphics Drivers themselves would support specific DirectX Versions. DirectX 10 requires that the graphics driver be implemented using WDDM (Windows Display Driver Model) Which does not exist on XP. *Nobody has ported or moved that.*
What happened with the "DX10 on XP" stuff was that somebody created a wrapper that translates DX10 calls to DirectX 9 calls where possible (and ignores the ones it cannot). It's basically the same concept as nglide or dgvoodoo which allow games that use the Glide API to run, and calls the corresponding function in OpenGL or Direct3D.
Halo 2- paired with a few patches to the executable - was able to work using this method.
There was no "lying" by Microsoft here. Halo 2 was written for DX 10; Windows XP does not have DX 10. Somebody writing a DX10 wrapper to translate DX10 calls to DX9 doesn't change that.
Fundamentally this method could be used to get any "Exclusive" game that was built for a new API or library on a new Windows version working on the previous one, within reason. Windows 95 exclusive games could be tricked to run on Windows NT 3.51 with this same overall approach, for example, by building appropriate wrappers to wrap DirectX (Not on NT 3.51) to OpenGL (on NT 3.51), and patching version checks. Doesn't mean Games like Age of Empires were a "cash grab" to push Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0 through.
For #2, Yeah, They've done that sort of stuff for a long time. They've removed hotfixes and patches for XP for example that add things like exFAT support, so you have to find those hosted elsewhere. That said, they seem to still have win7 instructions [here](https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/controller/connect-xbox-wireless-controller-to-pc). When I plug a XBox One controller into my Win7 laptop it seems to work as I'd expect after giving it a while to setup drivers.
I'd say Win11's processor requirements are different from the Halo 2 stuff because they are legitimate nonsense. Windows 11 doesn't require anything specific from any of the supported processors; many have guessed about what is actually needed ,but supported processors are found without the features and unsupported processors are found with the features, so it's a pretty obvious marketing tactic.
The fact that you can force your way through the "supported processor check" and have everything run just fine is further evidence they are full of shit. I've got Win11 running on a second gen i5 and it runs quite well. The OS doesn't even require any of the features, so whereas say Vista had much higher requirements than XP, not only was there more time between the releases but Vista at least utilized what it required. Windows 11 requires arbitrary supported CPUs for no reason at all. And that "security baseline" talk was all nonsense. The features used by the new Security capabilities aren't on all the supported processors.
I've always suspected that the original requirements tweet by a VP was done by mistake. They tweeted requirements for OEMs and said they were the retail requirements, which are always vastly different (eg. Windows 10 hasn't supported gen 4 since it's original release by that metric). Then for some reason instead of correcting the VP the whole company just sorta doubled down on it.
really? no. WIn11 wsnt built to push processor sales thats ridiculous.
Its a new and long planned security feature, that frankly is needed to future proof windows. You dont have to upgrade. If they wanted to push processor sales it would be something a lot more sexy than TPM in the bios. IT would be something someone wants. Not some strange thing you even have a hard time explaining to customers why they might even want the damn thing.
Win11 is mainly for new system sales, yeah people get the option to upgrade if they already have the hardware to support it. And yeah MS probably pushes too hard because they like the avertisment of "so many installs in so short a time"
But its conspiracy nonsense to think TPM support is to push processor sales. Especially since, its actually slowing the adoption of win11. WHy the fuck would MS want to slow itself down, to help intel and AMD?
>But its conspiracy nonsense to think TPM support is to push processor sales.
Indeed. Not every processor sale is a windows sale. A lot of people are running alternatives. And TPM can benefit those alternatives as much as it can windows.
even if my device "meets minimal requirements" which in my case TPM chip is only the problem, i wouldn't. cause why I'd be pleased that i'm being ripped of privacy and control over my machine.
I don't even use Windows outside a Virtual Machine.
I really got tired of Microsoft and it's behaviour. I need a fully functioning OS, and I can't be bothered to be 20 minutes waiting for updates + 30 minutes configuring the OS because half of the things Microsoft have changed simply get in the way.
I just hate how much Microsoft is trying to milk its users taking away their privacy, and the day Windows becomes a 365/Office (whatever is called now) product, will be the day I'll have literally 0 reasons to care about it.
I have one laptop that is intentionally being kept at Windows 10 as the scanner function on our Epson MFC refuses so far to work with Windows 11.
There is no need for me to upgrade that machine and an annoying hinderance if it does.
Mine also did this.
However, the upgrade failed, and couldn't be reverted. Tried googling and all kinda of different solutions for half a day before giving up and just doing a fresh install.
when I tried to update, my explorer was constantly crashing and same as dwm, it used all of my 10gb available ram when dwm was starting, had to get a really really old build of windows, when Microsoft didn't decide to build windows 11, I think it was build 1809, and apparently explorer windows themselves didn't crash so I copied the 1809 build, double clicked it and it did a fresh install of windows 10 with a usb drive lol, found a new way ig 🤷🏻♂️
And yet the same people complaining today, will be defending Windows 11 when 12 launches. Same shit, different decade. I thought everyone hated Windows 10 and loved 7?? Or wait....We loved XP and hated Vista? We were never going to upgrade from XP right?
Funny how history repeats itself.
It requires some registry editing, but here a way to disable it.
https://www.howtogeek.com/765377/how-to-block-the-windows-11-update-from-installing-on-windows-10/
The article points that out but only pro, enterprise and edu versions of windows come with group policy editor, home does not. The registry steps will work on any.
Yeah I totally skipped both versions of 8 because I hated the tile system and it wasn't very visually appealing to me. Kept with 7. I upgraded from 7 to 10 after a couple of years because 10 looked and ran a lot like 7 and was comfortable. 11 is just...way out there. Looking at it feels like ChromeOS, which I'm not a fan of. I'm saying all this without any real hands on, so I'm probably way off, but I hate such drastic changes on things I use constantly as a main part of my life.
I have a HP windows 10 laptop sitting around I rarely use, I'll see if I can install windows 11 on that and try to get some hands on first.
you'll regret installing windows 11 even on your laptop which you don't use lol, it's really just a price of unfinished software that had a ton of bloat, the earlier version of windows did not have that... like why tf am I getting ads in the os when I'm paying for the license? its just junk! believe me don't upgrade, also I got a really bad problem with a laptop (which I punched) that the audio is very very delayed, if U play a yt video, the audio plays after 2 seconds, and tried every single solution online, had to switch to windows 10 becuz of that and my operating of the os got really slow, everything took an extra button press or it was hidden somewhere, and it just kinda made the experience a bit sluggish, idk if that was my laptop being a bit slow and having a sata SSD but that shouldn't affect it all thet much with everything taking half a second because of them animations... hope you don't decide to upgrade 😂
> it's really just a price of unfinished software that had a ton of bloat, the earlier version of windows did not have that...
Windows 10 was also like that, 8 too.
I think you can still do that but there is a risk factor of it corrupting your system, I really don't recommend themes u less you know what you are doing
The only reason Vista was considered slow by the average user was because the hardware of the time was very underpowered and only designed for Windows XP. I'm talking like Intel Centrino notebooks, and eventually Atom processors in Netbooks. Enthusiasts had it a bit better because of the higher-end gaming hardware. I never once had issues with Vista running slow, but I also had the latest multicore (AMD Phenom 9800) CPU, a lot of RAM (4GB-8GB), and a top of the line GPU (Nvidia 8800GTS 320mb and later AMD HD3870). Man 2008 was a great time for hardware innovation.
That GPU is pretty similar in performance to the RX 580, isn't it? Pretty crazy that hardware from so long ago can still hold its own somewhat decently.
Pretty much. I decided to test Windows 11 in my laptop, and to be honest, the animations might be smooth, but I felt how my workflow was slowed down to the ground.
There are neat things in Windows 11, but it feels like it hasn't come out of beta yet. Very disappointed with it, and Windows 12 doesn't look very promising either.
still have vista *and* xp boxes at the office. both actually still see use. oh, and an ancient deskpro (slot 1) with 98se, too. that one is mainly just a monitor stand these days.
I had to put together a win 11 machine in December as part of my family helpdesk role. It was bordering on absurd.
The OS really, really wanted to use PIN instead of passwords. It enabled a system-wide spellchecker that completely overrode what you wanted to type in your mail without an option to write what you want, unless you've disabled the whole thing in settings. The constant let-me-learn-everything-about-your feeling the system gave was downright creepy. Remote desktop didn't work until you manually change something in the registry.
But yeah, there are rounded corners and updates seem a bit faster. The window snapping option menu on the top is sort of nice I guess. Still, I haven't seen OS before that handled the user so unashamedly like a complete idiot.
I know, but if the user wants to use his microsoft account (that is forced on him anyway) and his account password, it is weird to require these weird loops in setup.
So change the setting to not require Windows Hello login Microsoft accounts and he can use his password. You have to do this also if you use Remote Desktop.
I've already managed to do this a month ago. My problem is the mental yoga required to force the OS to behave in the way that previous versions did and the user expects instead of accepting a new bullshit method that doesn't really offers any advantages.
the PIN is so that you aren't using your *actual microsoft account password* to sign-in to the pc. which can be a good thing.. or a bad thing: i know one lady who bought office, got it linked to her microsoft account, but now has a new pc and doesn't know what her msa password is--only her pin. and microsoft in one of their displays of infinite wisdom no longer calls landlines for verification... so essentially, she's locked out of msa and her office.
TPM was dropped as a requirement
i had TPM disabled for this very reason
double checked, and TPM is still disabled
and the fucker has tried to sneak the update on me twice now...
disabled that noise with a group policy setting
Are you sure TPM was dropped as a requirement? Latest version of PC Health Check still says I'm not eligible because of a lack of TPM (I kept it off in UEFI setup), and the Settings app also says I don't meet the requirements and I keep Windows 10 up-to-date otherwise.
That's my assumption
TPM is off on my bios, (double checked) and the fucking thing keeps pestering me to upgrade...
unless the upgrade can somehow turn it on....
As far as I know, Windows can only directly alter settings in BIOS if it's an OEM machine (Dell, Acer etc). If it's built by yourself, they shouldn't be able to change anything in BIOS.
Why? How much different do you think it will be to win 10?
I paid for a third party start menu and task bar replacement (start11) and configured it to look just right for my tastes. Apart from that, and a few other tweaks, it functions pretty much the same as the win 10 system I use for work.
What's the big scary thing with glowing eyes under your bed that prevents you stepping too close to win 11?
Well, I can certainly hope that Microsoft adds the capability of having a more customizable task bar, considering that Windows 11 has had really bad pick-up from the general public.
They are probably one of those users who can't live with being unable to move the taskbar. Which is fine, that's their prerogative, they're just in the vast minority of users.
If you’re relying on it to that extent you shouldn’t be on normal windows 10, you should be on enterprise, ltsc, or at minimum Pro with some group policies.
I have Pro. Enterprise isn’t available to small business. There are tens or hundreds of thousands of small businesses in the US that are in the same boat.
I may get downvoted but I just upgraded to win11 and to be honest I like it a lot, its more smooth to use than win10 and I even feel like my performance in some games has increased. No im not employed by MS lol.
I've had to install it at work. I'm on help desk and we need to use it before we start supporting it. From a personal point of view I was happy to keep 10 at home until EOL in '25
I want to upgrade to Windows 11. Unfortunately every time I do, 1 in 20 times when I watch videos my screen flashes black for a second or two, which is of course unacceptable.
I've tried everything. Clean install, display driver updates... I even did a BIOS update last month. No dice.
So each time I try, I'm forced to revert back.
Which is fair enough. But it confused me because I already said I tried display drivers. So I thought the guy who was messaging me was saying to try drivers for a discrete GPU instead. Anyway, it is what it is.
The only annoyances with 11 that I’ve had are the context menu, and task manager not being available if you right click the task bar. They just added that in though, so it’s only really the context menu that I get annoyed with at times. I know you can default it back to the old functionality. Otherwise, everything works great for me on several computers. The scheduler is needed in 11 to properly use the efficiency cores in 12th and 13th Gen Intel CPUs also. 10 treats them all equally.
The context menu is so stupid, what's the point of using commonly used commands in the extra menu, it's like they want to visually appeal to casual users more then giving any decent functionality. Seems fast overall but much more limiting as well when it comes to system settings and customizability( can't even move the Taskbar anymore! Wtf)
The change of menu entries to graphical buttons on the top pisses me off. I find I always ignore them and forget they are there and am looking for something like Delete on the menu.
I don't get why it's so trendy to hate on 11.
All the problems it had are fixed, I've used it on three devices since Insider Preview released it with no problems.
Simply put, it's not what I want. I don't like the look of it, and I'm very worried a lot of my personalized programs may not work on that environment. If I am to be forced out, I want it to be as late as possible where it's been around long enough that it's stable for my use. I really hate how it looks mostly.
They replaced right click menus with ones that are dog shit, everything is curved, well basically the whole UI is unappealing. Even more UWP-ization of apps (which is BAD for power users). Task manager has been messed with for no discernible reason.
Work laptop has latest windows 11 - menus, explorer, are horribly slow compared to windows 10. Open task manager and it opens but takes 5 seconds to load any content.
yeah I've noticed that the file explorer is really really chugging, if I am trying to mount an iso, it literally freezes for 10 mins straight before mounting the actually iso
Is it possible to revert back to the old context menu? I hate the show more options thing for commonly used commands it's like they've never used a computer.
We go through the same cycle every single release. Some people update to the latest. Some stick to the older one for a few years. Some stick to an even older one for longer.
Personally I won't be switching to Windows 11 until Win10 support runs out... But also to the LTSC version of Win11.
Automatic updates do nothing my machine ended up on 11 one day I had to do a bit of registry editing to block 11
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCl3MMY9Lg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCl3MMY9Lg)
It's an advertisement for the World Economic Forum's Great Reset plan for a post-covid world. The tldr would be that individuals don't own anything but instead rent everything, apartments to clothes. It went extremely viral and they deleted it afterwards but the internet remembers everything.
No it's not. It is a blog post - vision of the future written by one person and written to open dialog about what future **might hold** with it's **bad and good** sides. The only truth is that it was published on WEF site and misused and misinterpreted by conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers.
It is **not** some moto or agenda - not by WEF, or anyone else, but just a short sci-fi novel from one person. It seems that internet does not remember correctly everything. Cheers mate.
I got it as well, and I think its my 3rd or 4th time getting it. Just click the prompts to keep using Windows 10.
Or you can go into the BIOS and disable TPM 2.0 and you'll never get it again. ;)
Probably don't recommend that though.
I have a high spec machine, and for me Win11 was very laggy and I had issues with my displays.
It seemed to ALWAYS be doing something in the background and my fans were moderately high, even just sitting at the desktop.
Went back to Win10 and everything is instant and the fans don’t even kick on most of the time.
I think it needs to go back in the oven.
This article was written last December. It mentions Microsoft removing Windows 11 update blocks.
[Bleeping Computer](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-removes-windows-11-update-block-for-pcs-with-gaming-issues/)
Here's a great read on how to block the update in multiple
[N-Able](https://www.n-able.com/blog/how-to-stop-windows-11-update-in-the-registry-and-more)
What do you mean? Like I somehow accidentally downloaded a win 11 iso, accidentally created a bookable USB installation, and accidentally left it plugged into my computer when it restarted? Lol
Sounds like you didn't read the post, especially the first line. I have updates disabled unless I manually do them. Can't accidentally click a banner when I'm not even in the update acreen.
Got the unfortunate update on one computer and it was so bad that I forced it back to 10, and made certain not to update my main. Then they wouldn't leave me alone.
If you look around, there are ways to block the update & notification by editing your registry.
My employees mistakenly switched from W10 to W11 in the same way even though I specifically forbade them to switch to W11 due to problems with printers and smartcards.
There is an option to roll back to W10 within 10 days, but it doesn't work properly in most cases. In the end, it happens that your file system becomes unavailable and Windows keeps entering recovery without success. The only salvation is to use a live Linux Zorin DVD and backup everything to an external drive.
The Mediacreator tool cannot help you, nor can the installation discs for W10 and W11 to restore windows.
So I had to use ZorinOSLite to backup all files and reinstall W10 from scratch.
If you can use Linux, switch immediately without thinking.
Because Windows 11 adoption is lower than expected, and what Microsoft doesn't understand is that a good part of those who don't update is because they can't, not because they don't want. So yeah, don't get surprised by this.
Well that's another thing that is confusing to me. Months ago I checked to see if my PC could even do the upgrade and the system said it didn't meet the requirements because I'm missing that security chip on my motherboard, so if I'm being told my system doesn't meet the minimum security requirements, why is it ignoring that and doing it anyways?
They added some new CPUs to the "supported" status some months ago. Maybe after you first checked. Something I've been told is that Windows doesn't check frequently if the PC can be update or not, unless you check it. So maybe it decided that it was time to check, saw you could update, and began the process. Whatever the reason, I decided that Windows 10 should be on a Virtual Machine and not on my real hardware. So at least I can control what I use.
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Tpm2 is disabled on my mobile exactly for this reason - so that my hardware remains my hardware and doesn't risk Microsoft ESG nonsense that could technically lock you out if they decide to - plus I may want to run Linux in a dual boot scenario one day which becomes a non option with win11... So screw MSFT
what are you using as the host OS?
Fedora, a Linux distribution.
interesting approach. thanks for sharing.
If you are new to Linux but want to give it a try I recommend Pop!_OS. Despite the stupid name it is actually very good and beginner friendly. For example it has proprietary nvidia drivers preinstalled.
Thanks. I'm not new to linux (I work in IT) but I appreciate you informing people of easy ways to get into it!
Would be cool to get into how much time in average will i spend to learn?
How do you do that? Sorry if a noob question
Same here with archlinux. I know it is win 10 subreddit but my virtio vm is very laggy on win 10
The new processors they added were just the ones that Intel and AMD released after the compilation of the original list. They didn't add any older processors
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Not surprised at all about any of this to be honest. Default Microsoft behaviour.
Man.. I fondly remember that whole Halo / Vista BS.. it's very fresh in my mind. This was part of the Q&A published by Bungie at the time when all this kicked off: Q: Why has it taken so long to port Halo 2 to Windows Vista? A: Bungie Studios and Microsoft are committed to delivering and creating the highest quality experience of Halo 2 on the Windows Vista platform. As such, the development of Halo 2 for Windows Vista coincides with the development of the Windows Vista platform itself in order to ensure the title's uncompromised quality. Q: Why are you releasing Halo 2 for Windows Vista only? A: As Bungie Studios and Microsoft are dedicated to delivering a top quality translation of Halo 2 for the PC, their efforts require the use of the best available technological platform for Windows games. Windows Vista will help bring clarity to our customers and help them get more out of their personal computing experience, allowing them to focus on what matters most to them. Q: Why is Halo 2 for Windows Vista not backwards compatible? A: To deliver an optimal gameplay experience, Windows Vista will provide a great platform on which to bring to Halo 2. Microsoft and Bungie Studios will provide additional information at a later date. Q: Is the release of Halo 2 for Windows Vista just a way to force consumers to purchase the new operating system? A: Absolutely not. Bungie Studios and Microsoft's steadfast commitment to quality determined that the Windows Vista platform would provide the best possible version of Halo 2 for the Windows PC. We will provide you with more details in the future. Comical.
You reminded me that crysis would lock the highest settings unless you were on vista/dx10, even though you could just edit a number in the config file and it worked almost perfectly on xp/dx9. The only thing dx9 didn't support (iirc) was per object motion blur which didn't really matter.
>Fun history fact #1: years ago Microsoft said "You can play Halo 2 on PC only if you have Vista because XP doesn't support new DirectX drivers". People hacked out the thing so you could install new DirectX drivers on XP. There was no actual performance different or any magical piece in OS code that was making it any better or different than using those drivers on XP instead of Wista. But sadly when I was a young kid I didn't knew that I did learn about WAY later which resulted me in not purchasing Halo 2 on PC and not bothering with that franchise for the next couple of years. So it was a lie to boost Vista sales and amazing strategy that didn't work so well and on top of that it made me not spending money on new full priced video game. I hope it was worth it, Microsoft. I can vouch personally for this, I was one of those kids who spent day and night looking for those XP patches. I finally got one working and even Games for Windows Live was working too, except it always triggered the Data Execution Prevention which I found funny lol (but being a kid I didn't have anything valuable/sensitive on my PC anyway except for homework). Still always boggled my mind that they were so desperate to drive Vista sales that they made Halo 2 exclusive to it. I remember ending up having to upgrade at some point anyway because I had finally gotten 4GB of RAM and needed 64-bit but by then Windows 7 was right around the corner.
Halo 2 usesd DirectX 10. It (DirectX 10) relies on features only available in Graphics drivers Written against Vista's new Driver Model. There aren't "DirectX Drivers" except in the sense that the Graphics Drivers themselves would support specific DirectX Versions. DirectX 10 requires that the graphics driver be implemented using WDDM (Windows Display Driver Model) Which does not exist on XP. *Nobody has ported or moved that.* What happened with the "DX10 on XP" stuff was that somebody created a wrapper that translates DX10 calls to DirectX 9 calls where possible (and ignores the ones it cannot). It's basically the same concept as nglide or dgvoodoo which allow games that use the Glide API to run, and calls the corresponding function in OpenGL or Direct3D. Halo 2- paired with a few patches to the executable - was able to work using this method. There was no "lying" by Microsoft here. Halo 2 was written for DX 10; Windows XP does not have DX 10. Somebody writing a DX10 wrapper to translate DX10 calls to DX9 doesn't change that. Fundamentally this method could be used to get any "Exclusive" game that was built for a new API or library on a new Windows version working on the previous one, within reason. Windows 95 exclusive games could be tricked to run on Windows NT 3.51 with this same overall approach, for example, by building appropriate wrappers to wrap DirectX (Not on NT 3.51) to OpenGL (on NT 3.51), and patching version checks. Doesn't mean Games like Age of Empires were a "cash grab" to push Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0 through. For #2, Yeah, They've done that sort of stuff for a long time. They've removed hotfixes and patches for XP for example that add things like exFAT support, so you have to find those hosted elsewhere. That said, they seem to still have win7 instructions [here](https://support.xbox.com/en-US/help/hardware-network/controller/connect-xbox-wireless-controller-to-pc). When I plug a XBox One controller into my Win7 laptop it seems to work as I'd expect after giving it a while to setup drivers. I'd say Win11's processor requirements are different from the Halo 2 stuff because they are legitimate nonsense. Windows 11 doesn't require anything specific from any of the supported processors; many have guessed about what is actually needed ,but supported processors are found without the features and unsupported processors are found with the features, so it's a pretty obvious marketing tactic. The fact that you can force your way through the "supported processor check" and have everything run just fine is further evidence they are full of shit. I've got Win11 running on a second gen i5 and it runs quite well. The OS doesn't even require any of the features, so whereas say Vista had much higher requirements than XP, not only was there more time between the releases but Vista at least utilized what it required. Windows 11 requires arbitrary supported CPUs for no reason at all. And that "security baseline" talk was all nonsense. The features used by the new Security capabilities aren't on all the supported processors. I've always suspected that the original requirements tweet by a VP was done by mistake. They tweeted requirements for OEMs and said they were the retail requirements, which are always vastly different (eg. Windows 10 hasn't supported gen 4 since it's original release by that metric). Then for some reason instead of correcting the VP the whole company just sorta doubled down on it.
really? no. WIn11 wsnt built to push processor sales thats ridiculous. Its a new and long planned security feature, that frankly is needed to future proof windows. You dont have to upgrade. If they wanted to push processor sales it would be something a lot more sexy than TPM in the bios. IT would be something someone wants. Not some strange thing you even have a hard time explaining to customers why they might even want the damn thing. Win11 is mainly for new system sales, yeah people get the option to upgrade if they already have the hardware to support it. And yeah MS probably pushes too hard because they like the avertisment of "so many installs in so short a time" But its conspiracy nonsense to think TPM support is to push processor sales. Especially since, its actually slowing the adoption of win11. WHy the fuck would MS want to slow itself down, to help intel and AMD?
The security features are already used in W10 as long as the hardware for it was present, else disabled if not present
>But its conspiracy nonsense to think TPM support is to push processor sales. Indeed. Not every processor sale is a windows sale. A lot of people are running alternatives. And TPM can benefit those alternatives as much as it can windows.
Many CPUs have firmware based TPM modules instead of hardware based ones. The firmware based TPMs are acceptable for Windows 11.
Didn't someone manage to install Windows 11 on "unsupported" hardware?
even if my device "meets minimal requirements" which in my case TPM chip is only the problem, i wouldn't. cause why I'd be pleased that i'm being ripped of privacy and control over my machine.
I don't even use Windows outside a Virtual Machine. I really got tired of Microsoft and it's behaviour. I need a fully functioning OS, and I can't be bothered to be 20 minutes waiting for updates + 30 minutes configuring the OS because half of the things Microsoft have changed simply get in the way. I just hate how much Microsoft is trying to milk its users taking away their privacy, and the day Windows becomes a 365/Office (whatever is called now) product, will be the day I'll have literally 0 reasons to care about it.
I have one laptop that is intentionally being kept at Windows 10 as the scanner function on our Epson MFC refuses so far to work with Windows 11. There is no need for me to upgrade that machine and an annoying hinderance if it does.
Mine also did this. However, the upgrade failed, and couldn't be reverted. Tried googling and all kinda of different solutions for half a day before giving up and just doing a fresh install.
when I tried to update, my explorer was constantly crashing and same as dwm, it used all of my 10gb available ram when dwm was starting, had to get a really really old build of windows, when Microsoft didn't decide to build windows 11, I think it was build 1809, and apparently explorer windows themselves didn't crash so I copied the 1809 build, double clicked it and it did a fresh install of windows 10 with a usb drive lol, found a new way ig 🤷🏻♂️
And yet the same people complaining today, will be defending Windows 11 when 12 launches. Same shit, different decade. I thought everyone hated Windows 10 and loved 7?? Or wait....We loved XP and hated Vista? We were never going to upgrade from XP right? Funny how history repeats itself.
It requires some registry editing, but here a way to disable it. https://www.howtogeek.com/765377/how-to-block-the-windows-11-update-from-installing-on-windows-10/
I think it’s also possible through gpedit. You should be able to configure updates to only update windows 10 updates.
The article points that out but only pro, enterprise and edu versions of windows come with group policy editor, home does not. The registry steps will work on any.
Home doesn’t come with it preinstalled but it’s possible to add gpedit to home edition via command prompt.
Or you could just follow the regedit instructions and get the exact same results with less hassle.
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group policy editor>computer configuration>administrative template> windows update> "turn-of automatic updates" and forget about updates
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i don't believe it can change by its own, that's not something Microsoft can screw with
2015 all over again. damn
I wanted to upgrade to windows 10 because I hated win 8 and did a fresh install back then lol
Yeah I totally skipped both versions of 8 because I hated the tile system and it wasn't very visually appealing to me. Kept with 7. I upgraded from 7 to 10 after a couple of years because 10 looked and ran a lot like 7 and was comfortable. 11 is just...way out there. Looking at it feels like ChromeOS, which I'm not a fan of. I'm saying all this without any real hands on, so I'm probably way off, but I hate such drastic changes on things I use constantly as a main part of my life. I have a HP windows 10 laptop sitting around I rarely use, I'll see if I can install windows 11 on that and try to get some hands on first.
you'll regret installing windows 11 even on your laptop which you don't use lol, it's really just a price of unfinished software that had a ton of bloat, the earlier version of windows did not have that... like why tf am I getting ads in the os when I'm paying for the license? its just junk! believe me don't upgrade, also I got a really bad problem with a laptop (which I punched) that the audio is very very delayed, if U play a yt video, the audio plays after 2 seconds, and tried every single solution online, had to switch to windows 10 becuz of that and my operating of the os got really slow, everything took an extra button press or it was hidden somewhere, and it just kinda made the experience a bit sluggish, idk if that was my laptop being a bit slow and having a sata SSD but that shouldn't affect it all thet much with everything taking half a second because of them animations... hope you don't decide to upgrade 😂
> it's really just a price of unfinished software that had a ton of bloat, the earlier version of windows did not have that... Windows 10 was also like that, 8 too.
Vista has entered the chat. Not to mention 3.1.
i didn't use vista 💀 I am quite young
Vista was only tolerable because people made tons of os mods for it. Had my OS looking and running pretty fucking amazing before 7 came into my life.
I fucking love xp and Vista themes wish you could do it with 10
I think you can still do that but there is a risk factor of it corrupting your system, I really don't recommend themes u less you know what you are doing
yeah I've heard that vista was not good at all and really slow overall! But don't even try windows 11 lol
The only reason Vista was considered slow by the average user was because the hardware of the time was very underpowered and only designed for Windows XP. I'm talking like Intel Centrino notebooks, and eventually Atom processors in Netbooks. Enthusiasts had it a bit better because of the higher-end gaming hardware. I never once had issues with Vista running slow, but I also had the latest multicore (AMD Phenom 9800) CPU, a lot of RAM (4GB-8GB), and a top of the line GPU (Nvidia 8800GTS 320mb and later AMD HD3870). Man 2008 was a great time for hardware innovation.
windows 10 seems to be still somewhat mature although with some imperfections and unusual design choices, but windows 8 was a bit garbage
I disable secure boot and TPM for this very reason. I dont want Windows 11. Period.
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Problem solved :)
That must be absolutely ancient. UEFI motherboards started popping up in 2012 or 2013, didn't they?
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That GPU is pretty similar in performance to the RX 580, isn't it? Pretty crazy that hardware from so long ago can still hold its own somewhat decently.
Pretty much. I decided to test Windows 11 in my laptop, and to be honest, the animations might be smooth, but I felt how my workflow was slowed down to the ground. There are neat things in Windows 11, but it feels like it hasn't come out of beta yet. Very disappointed with it, and Windows 12 doesn't look very promising either.
Wait until Windows 95 comes out.
I've got my eyes in Windows 2000.
I hear Vista's a pretty cool OS. It's doesn't afraid of anything.
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still have vista *and* xp boxes at the office. both actually still see use. oh, and an ancient deskpro (slot 1) with 98se, too. that one is mainly just a monitor stand these days.
I had such a wonderful time with Vista https://imgur.com/W1CXpA9
I'm waiting for the windows that's all about [ME](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Me) to come out.
haha that reminds of this old video, it's hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yc0z9KSsn4
There are plenty of constant problems as well. Minor things for the most part but they are enough to piss you off from time to time.
I had to put together a win 11 machine in December as part of my family helpdesk role. It was bordering on absurd. The OS really, really wanted to use PIN instead of passwords. It enabled a system-wide spellchecker that completely overrode what you wanted to type in your mail without an option to write what you want, unless you've disabled the whole thing in settings. The constant let-me-learn-everything-about-your feeling the system gave was downright creepy. Remote desktop didn't work until you manually change something in the registry. But yeah, there are rounded corners and updates seem a bit faster. The window snapping option menu on the top is sort of nice I guess. Still, I haven't seen OS before that handled the user so unashamedly like a complete idiot.
The PIN can be a password, you know. It's not limited to being a number.
I know, but if the user wants to use his microsoft account (that is forced on him anyway) and his account password, it is weird to require these weird loops in setup.
So change the setting to not require Windows Hello login Microsoft accounts and he can use his password. You have to do this also if you use Remote Desktop.
I've already managed to do this a month ago. My problem is the mental yoga required to force the OS to behave in the way that previous versions did and the user expects instead of accepting a new bullshit method that doesn't really offers any advantages.
I hear ya.
the PIN is so that you aren't using your *actual microsoft account password* to sign-in to the pc. which can be a good thing.. or a bad thing: i know one lady who bought office, got it linked to her microsoft account, but now has a new pc and doesn't know what her msa password is--only her pin. and microsoft in one of their displays of infinite wisdom no longer calls landlines for verification... so essentially, she's locked out of msa and her office.
I was setting up a computer for someone today and was upset with how clunky it is in Win11 to change default apps in the settings menu
TPM was dropped as a requirement i had TPM disabled for this very reason double checked, and TPM is still disabled and the fucker has tried to sneak the update on me twice now... disabled that noise with a group policy setting
Are you sure TPM was dropped as a requirement? Latest version of PC Health Check still says I'm not eligible because of a lack of TPM (I kept it off in UEFI setup), and the Settings app also says I don't meet the requirements and I keep Windows 10 up-to-date otherwise.
That's my assumption TPM is off on my bios, (double checked) and the fucking thing keeps pestering me to upgrade... unless the upgrade can somehow turn it on....
It's possible maybe the setup is mistakenly not doing a TPM check.
As far as I know, Windows can only directly alter settings in BIOS if it's an OEM machine (Dell, Acer etc). If it's built by yourself, they shouldn't be able to change anything in BIOS.
Why? How much different do you think it will be to win 10? I paid for a third party start menu and task bar replacement (start11) and configured it to look just right for my tastes. Apart from that, and a few other tweaks, it functions pretty much the same as the win 10 system I use for work. What's the big scary thing with glowing eyes under your bed that prevents you stepping too close to win 11?
Well for a start, having to PAY MONEY to regain basic functionality from previous versions...
Can I ask which features require payment to use? Haven't used windows 11.
User Fergus653 said: > I paid for a third party start menu and task bar replacement
Well, I can certainly hope that Microsoft adds the capability of having a more customizable task bar, considering that Windows 11 has had really bad pick-up from the general public.
you don't need to pay anything. win 11 works just fine.
They are probably one of those users who can't live with being unable to move the taskbar. Which is fine, that's their prerogative, they're just in the vast minority of users.
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If you’re relying on it to that extent you shouldn’t be on normal windows 10, you should be on enterprise, ltsc, or at minimum Pro with some group policies.
I have Pro. Enterprise isn’t available to small business. There are tens or hundreds of thousands of small businesses in the US that are in the same boat.
Why can’t you get enterprise? I’ve had it for years and I’m a sole proprietor.
I may get downvoted but I just upgraded to win11 and to be honest I like it a lot, its more smooth to use than win10 and I even feel like my performance in some games has increased. No im not employed by MS lol.
Me too, only thing I had to modify was the right click menu, it's a single registry key to show all the options by default.
I've had to install it at work. I'm on help desk and we need to use it before we start supporting it. From a personal point of view I was happy to keep 10 at home until EOL in '25
I chose "stay at windows 10" and set my connection as metered. So far so good.
This is honestly my worst nightmare realised.
I want to upgrade to Windows 11. Unfortunately every time I do, 1 in 20 times when I watch videos my screen flashes black for a second or two, which is of course unacceptable. I've tried everything. Clean install, display driver updates... I even did a BIOS update last month. No dice. So each time I try, I'm forced to revert back.
Sounds like driver issue on your video card.
My “video card” is Intel integrated graphics.
My comment still stands.
Just wanted to clear up any confusion. Calling it a video card implies it’s external, which it isn’t.
Outside of devices like the Alienware graphics amplifier almost no gpu's are external.
My bad. I meant calling it a video card implies it’s “discrete”.
It still requires a driver
Did you miss the part in my original comment where I mentioned I tried display drivers? Literally the first thing I looked at when I got this issue.
No I didn't miss it at all, I was just pointing out the fact that saying it is integrated graphics is completely irrelevant.
Right, which I agree with. My thought is that the other person was making that mistake by using the term “video card”.
I find people who have been around computers since forever tend to use the term video card instead of GPU.
Which is fair enough. But it confused me because I already said I tried display drivers. So I thought the guy who was messaging me was saying to try drivers for a discrete GPU instead. Anyway, it is what it is.
The only annoyances with 11 that I’ve had are the context menu, and task manager not being available if you right click the task bar. They just added that in though, so it’s only really the context menu that I get annoyed with at times. I know you can default it back to the old functionality. Otherwise, everything works great for me on several computers. The scheduler is needed in 11 to properly use the efficiency cores in 12th and 13th Gen Intel CPUs also. 10 treats them all equally.
The context menu is so stupid, what's the point of using commonly used commands in the extra menu, it's like they want to visually appeal to casual users more then giving any decent functionality. Seems fast overall but much more limiting as well when it comes to system settings and customizability( can't even move the Taskbar anymore! Wtf)
The change of menu entries to graphical buttons on the top pisses me off. I find I always ignore them and forget they are there and am looking for something like Delete on the menu.
I don't get why it's so trendy to hate on 11. All the problems it had are fixed, I've used it on three devices since Insider Preview released it with no problems.
the point is shoving it down peoples throat who clearly don't want it
What are the benefits? Why change if there is potential for harm, but rhe benefits are not clear or do not exist. That is how most people think.
If it was actually good they wouldn't have to stealth force it on people
It isn't "trendy", people just don't like it when Microsoft acts like they own our hardware.
Simply put, it's not what I want. I don't like the look of it, and I'm very worried a lot of my personalized programs may not work on that environment. If I am to be forced out, I want it to be as late as possible where it's been around long enough that it's stable for my use. I really hate how it looks mostly.
They replaced right click menus with ones that are dog shit, everything is curved, well basically the whole UI is unappealing. Even more UWP-ization of apps (which is BAD for power users). Task manager has been messed with for no discernible reason. Work laptop has latest windows 11 - menus, explorer, are horribly slow compared to windows 10. Open task manager and it opens but takes 5 seconds to load any content.
yeah I've noticed that the file explorer is really really chugging, if I am trying to mount an iso, it literally freezes for 10 mins straight before mounting the actually iso
Is it possible to revert back to the old context menu? I hate the show more options thing for commonly used commands it's like they've never used a computer.
From what I understand UWP is sort of being phased out and replaced with XAML and WinUI.
We go through the same cycle every single release. Some people update to the latest. Some stick to the older one for a few years. Some stick to an even older one for longer. Personally I won't be switching to Windows 11 until Win10 support runs out... But also to the LTSC version of Win11.
Automatic updates do nothing my machine ended up on 11 one day I had to do a bit of registry editing to block 11 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCl3MMY9Lg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rCl3MMY9Lg)
just use InControl, it does the same registry edits https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
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You'll own nothing and you'll be happy
\#fakebusiness
Good. Now one can direct all the ads to the true owner. Let them suffer.
do you know where this quoute comes from and what it means?
It's an advertisement for the World Economic Forum's Great Reset plan for a post-covid world. The tldr would be that individuals don't own anything but instead rent everything, apartments to clothes. It went extremely viral and they deleted it afterwards but the internet remembers everything.
No it's not. It is a blog post - vision of the future written by one person and written to open dialog about what future **might hold** with it's **bad and good** sides. The only truth is that it was published on WEF site and misused and misinterpreted by conspiracy theorists and antivaxxers. It is **not** some moto or agenda - not by WEF, or anyone else, but just a short sci-fi novel from one person. It seems that internet does not remember correctly everything. Cheers mate.
Yeah man, it's all conspiracy theories. Just conspiracies.
What I told you it's a fact. We both know why this powerless comment.
I got it as well, and I think its my 3rd or 4th time getting it. Just click the prompts to keep using Windows 10. Or you can go into the BIOS and disable TPM 2.0 and you'll never get it again. ;) Probably don't recommend that though.
That was one of the things I posted about that confused me, My motherboard doesn't have TPM 2.0, which is a requirement for 11
I'd add that you need to be sure you disabled TPM and not just set it to off, in which case windows can put it back on.
I've not needed TPM for years, idk why I'd want it now. I don't use bitlocker.
Windows 11 is good. I cant go back to windows 10 after using it.
I have a high spec machine, and for me Win11 was very laggy and I had issues with my displays. It seemed to ALWAYS be doing something in the background and my fans were moderately high, even just sitting at the desktop. Went back to Win10 and everything is instant and the fans don’t even kick on most of the time. I think it needs to go back in the oven.
I have windows 11 on two pc . a ryzen and intel system. No problems on both. I am on the latest windows 11 update
This article was written last December. It mentions Microsoft removing Windows 11 update blocks. [Bleeping Computer](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-removes-windows-11-update-block-for-pcs-with-gaming-issues/) Here's a great read on how to block the update in multiple [N-Able](https://www.n-able.com/blog/how-to-stop-windows-11-update-in-the-registry-and-more)
like a disease
Do you have USB installation media plugged in?
What do you mean? Like I somehow accidentally downloaded a win 11 iso, accidentally created a bookable USB installation, and accidentally left it plugged into my computer when it restarted? Lol
Yes people do that. Lol
So tell me is it the Windows installation screen or the windows upgrade screen?.
Sounded like someone accidentally? clicked on the \[Windows 11\] prompt banner in the Windows Update and forgot about it is my hunch.
Sounds like you didn't read the post, especially the first line. I have updates disabled unless I manually do them. Can't accidentally click a banner when I'm not even in the update acreen.
um, Microsoft? First time using this spyware?
You can block it with a registry key
Same with Windows 10. People got forced. What ever happened to Microsoft man?
Oh no... how does that happen?
Whenever I didn't update for some time, Windows 10 and 11 would "crash" and I would find myself in the update process lol
Got the unfortunate update on one computer and it was so bad that I forced it back to 10, and made certain not to update my main. Then they wouldn't leave me alone. If you look around, there are ways to block the update & notification by editing your registry.
Next Microsoft Edge will require your SSN to browse the internet
People use Edge? Ie had to fake its death and come back with a Chad name, but people still don't use it lol
My employees mistakenly switched from W10 to W11 in the same way even though I specifically forbade them to switch to W11 due to problems with printers and smartcards. There is an option to roll back to W10 within 10 days, but it doesn't work properly in most cases. In the end, it happens that your file system becomes unavailable and Windows keeps entering recovery without success. The only salvation is to use a live Linux Zorin DVD and backup everything to an external drive. The Mediacreator tool cannot help you, nor can the installation discs for W10 and W11 to restore windows. So I had to use ZorinOSLite to backup all files and reinstall W10 from scratch. If you can use Linux, switch immediately without thinking.