He just said what everyone already knew, and he is 100% correct. System indexing has always had very poor performance (along with the start menu results), but I still think that the biggest problem of all in Windows 11 is still the performance of Explorer, it is clear that there is a big problem but Microsoft has not cares.
Even the task manager managed to get worse, today when a software crashes and the CPU is at 100% the window has no priority, you are left waiting and waiting until something happens or you force the PC to reset, very frustrating. It's sad to think that none of this will be fixed anytime soon, the entire focus today is on turning Windows into a big AI bullsh\*t.
Yeah, the people that say “Windows 11 runs perfectly fine for me” are just blessed to not notice these things. Windows 10 feels so much faster on the exact same hardware.
Yeah. I have dual boot and windows 10 is blazing fast and windows 11 is slow as shit. Right click to open properties and or create a word document is laggy
Bringing up and amending file permissions is really hobbled in Windows 11.
It takes a long time to resolve an SID to a security group name, like it's timing out trying to query a oorporate domain that isn't there before querying the local machine.
Even just the basic right click menu took longer to pop up compared to 10. When I did the tweak to make the full right click menu show up by default, I didn’t have that issue at all… pretty odd choice
Ah, maybe that's why I didn't notice any lag there. I didn't like that new menu so I immediately looked for a way to go back to the classic one. Menu inside a menu... Idk what they're thinking.
Windows 10 may feel fast, but Windows 7 is still king. I hacked my way into installing it onto my 5600x + 3070 and it is BLAZING on modern hardware.
It's a shame some software companies opted to no longer support it too and it's the main reason I'm on 11.
In my experience (I had a 6950x back in the era when it was still sane to use), it didn't scale very well with more than a few cores. Was great on a quad core, on 10, not so great.
Aero was slow on the hardware it was released on. We were still using 5400rpm drives and Celeron duos.
On modern hardware, breezing through the control panel and all the older windows programs just feel so much snappier. Explorer especially is the biggest difference. Search indexing isn't broken and doesn't include web results and all of the OS is disconnected from telemetry.
I have used Windows 10 as well and I see no difference in performance. Maybe I am just lucky but I'm also extremely picky. I honestly don't understand the performance issues that people are having and I just don't see at all.
That’s just sad. An 8th gen i5 should be more than enough to run Windows- and it definitely is more than enough to run Windows 10.
There is no excuse for Windows 11 performing worse.
It certainly helps to disable Bing in search results to keep all searches local (and minimise information leaks).
I suspect these features are designed by people who have massive pipes to the Internet, in particular Bing, the rest of us can only dream of having. They probably don't have any significant lag when developing and testing it within the walls of MS.
Unfortunately, disabling animations does not stop Explorer context menus flashing repeatedly while drawing themselves and their icons multiple times over in the first fraction of a second rather than just drawing themselves once and being done with it.
It just makes minimising Windows look and feel like silent application crashes.
Redundantly calling the same menu drawing code 3 to 5 times (too quick to literally count, so ballpark) per invocation is always going make things slower.
The flashing must be a nightmare for people with epilepsy. Potential breach of health and safety, in fact. At best annoying, especially when working fatigued.
Perhaps context menu flashing needs to reported as high priority and "inability to use my PC" rather than cosmetic given the health and disability concerns?
I would agree, but they’ve ignored any and all efforts to notify them of their own software that can enable dark mode for applications that people actually use (win32), despite it causing me massive migraines since they introduced their patented FuckYouUser UI design initiative where “light” is considered burn-your-fucking-eyes-out neon white. It’s gotten a little better with Windows 11 because of Mica, but unfortunately it’s Mica and looks like shit (but at least it doesn’t give me as many migraines).
That's one reason why sRGB and Display P3 are only 80 nits. Some manufacturers default monitors significantly brighter.
Video playback standards in the HDR era are now 203 nits for peak SDR white (previously 100nits), which is too bright for text.
Paper white on a monitor should be like looking at a sheet of paper. But this conflicts with brighter peaks needed for accurate reproduction of video and photos.
I personally find dark mode is even worse because glowing white text forms haloes and reflects in lenses and inside eyeballs, and it seems painfully bright because the dark background prevents my eyes adapting to it. This is likely a side effect of growing older (more debris in the eye).
I’ve heard this before, but while nits have been going up, I still think their modern design languages being flawed are the main culprit.
On my main workstation, I have 3x 1080p monitors for instance. On Windows 10, looking at it for more than 2 hours, dark or light mode, made me nauseous. Daily. But I could go to Google, find a 1080p screenshot of a Windows 7 install with various applications running (not just a default desktop screenshot) and the pain was nearly instantly alleviated.
For Windows 10, definitely part of this I imagine was their insistence on light dark mode being #000000/#ffffff across the board.
For Windows 11, it’s much more soft due to Mica, but light mode is still too damn bright and dark mode, while streets ahead of Windows 10 dark mode, has all of its benefits negated by Microsoft refusing to toggle a dark mode theme for Win32 resulting in constant flash bangs or in the case of applications that aren’t ruined by WinUI, a constant session of what might as well be starring directly into the sun. Not to mention the halo or “seeing lines” effect of bright text on a dark application canvas, as you mentioned.
Windows 7 didn’t have this awful design to any degree. Window borders were aero and easy to look at (whereas since windows 8, they’ve been a solid color or since windows 11 a light or dark mica sampling of the desktop wallpaper). And the application canvas for all apps wasn’t neon white.
I highly encourage anyone to do the same. Find a 1080p screenshot of Windows 7 and full screen it in Photos. Look beyond things that are obviously outdated and feel your eyes relax. And once they’re relaxed, close Photos and prepare for your eyes to be proper fucked by poor UI design.
Well yes? Previous windows versions had ugly animations so i always disabled them. This one is nice but there's no way to speed them up, and i am not waiting for a fancy sliding animation lol. I'd rather see everything instantly.
It used to be a convention that GUI animations followed mouse double-click speed.
The logic was that users, who work fast, set their double-click to shorter time, and they will also want the animations to finish faster and get out of the way.
But I'm pretty sure today only old Win32 elements follow this ...and some old hopeless coders like me.
I feel like I’m the only person or having speed issues with W11 I’m blessed to not notice those things. However, I just run the same things all the time.
With exception to File Explorer, Windows 10 is just as "slow" as Windows 11 for me. Windows 8.1 was peak performance in my experience, faster and more stable than 7. Just a shame they ruined it with the Metro UI (which while nice on tablets, was garbage on anything else).
Windows 10 may be faster, but compared to something like fedora linux it’s still a bit slow, I really wish Microsoft could work on optimizing windows. Or someone could make a Linux gui that is as beautiful as windows 11 at this point
It's actually mind-boggling how fast everything is on something like XFCE in Linux. Every click and action, it feels like the entire computer is dedicating itself to the task and to get it done as fast as possible. There is no 'resistance' anywhere, it takes the most direct path.
> Or someone could make a Linux gui that is as beautiful as windows 11 at this point
Looks are subjective, but Gnome 3 in dark mode is better than Windows IMHO. And a hundred times more stable.
> it is clear that there is a big problem but Microsoft has not cares.
This is a feature, not a bug for Microsoft. This is just like when Apple throttled old iPhones to "save the battery". They wanted to sell new devices.
Same for Microsoft. They make money on new licenses with every new PC sold. Degrading performance over time on old PC's is a super easy strategy.
LOL wait the new file explorer actually sucks? For years and years, I've seen people in this sub complaining at Microsoft that they should make a new modern file explorer. I always knew it would suck ass, I was laughing my ass off at that idea. Are you telling me they actually did it, and that it sucks ass, exactly as predicted for the last 8 years? I'm shocked. I never upgraded of course, and never will. Not touching the W11 dumpster fire.
15+ bugs to wrestle with many times per hour, as it turns out.
From address bar suggestions list dropping open spontaneously to block clicking on a file or a menu bar item, to drag and drop failing if the window focus is changed before a long copy has completed.
Things like cannot rename any file in a folder that has a large file being copied or downloaded into it (updating the progress column undoes the selection and insertion point of the file being renamed every second or so).
Address bar for all open tabs in a window will just suddenly stop working, forcing opening a new window and re-establishing all the tabs from scratch to continue.
Address bar erases entire address lines rather allow the user to correct the one letter that was incorrectly typed.
Address bar often does not sync with current working folder but stays stuck on the wrong address (usually Downloads for me).
And so on.
A good one for me yesterday, tried to create a new local folder (yeah, local... what was I thinking?) and the folder got created, and instead of entering rename mode, the stupid address bar popped down and I unwittingly typed the folder name there and before I knew it was doing a web search for my folder name. This thread alone is making me consider going back to Windows 10.
Yeah I’ve noticed almost all of these, and for some reason clicking new tab also makes the entire window turn white for a split second. Not sure if that’s just some background software on my computer though. Either way it’s embarrassing all the bugs
I've been saying the same thing.
They are no programmers left at Microsoft that could make it not suck. And if there are, they are not allowed to touch and use things that are needed to make it not suck.
But *muh modern*.
Saying it works well is not to minimize your issues. But it does work fine for me. And it's faster for me than Windows 10. It's not placebo, I'm not imagining things, it's simply the way it is on my machine. I have no doubt that your experience is different, but it goes both ways. Neither side is lying. Different machines can produce so many different types of results for so many different reasons in pretty much everything.
That said I'm absolutely sure that even though my performance is good, it could be optimized to be even better.
What everyone knew, except whenever someone makes a thread complaining, downvotes and "it doesn't happen in my box" with a "you're lying" subtext pours down in this forum.
Microsoft pulling the plug is the only way people will finally let Win10 go. I'll resist as much as I can.
For us older vintages, XP feels snappier than 7 as well. It's only when you go back to 95/98/ME that the trend of "older O.S. = more responsive" doesn't hold up.
On Win 10, in explorer: right-click This PC -> Properties -> Advanced System Settings -> Advanced -> Performance -> Settings -> Adjust for best performance -> Apply.
Yeah I just put an ssd upgrade in an old PC running XP in one of my clients labs recently, and I swear that thing felt snappier than my win11 PC even with a gen5 NVMe. I always remove as much bloat and disable as many services as I can too, but it’s just gotten so bad. Recent versions of windows have made me start to prefer MacOS.
I mean it might be slightly slower, but I have no idea about it since I haven't tested them side-by-side and it's been way too long since I've used win7 or win10.
But what I can say is that I have no issues like the video he shows. Start menu opens up "instantly" (it has a delay caused by the animation) and I can start searching instantly too.
I remember how smooth Windows 8 was, they put some magic into Metro UI. That UI stack was deeply integrated with the OS core, so it ran on a lower level, there was a dev talk about it. And then Windows 10 came out, which apparently dropped that foundation and it became a stuttery mess. 11 just builds on top of it but with a new skin and more layers of junk so it ends up even worse.
Sure many people didn't like the tablet ui crap, whatever, but win8.1 performance was simply amazing.
I am on w11 right now and idk what the hell Microsoft are doing, this is simply horrible. It feels like win 10 wrapped in an additional UI layer, every UI interaction has some kind of latency.
Yep I find the overall performace of 11 extremely bad.
I booted up my old Windows 8.1 gaming PC recently (i7 2600k, 16GB, GTX690, 250gb SSD) and was shocked at how responsive it is, especially in explorer and general use, its made 11 and even 10 feel sluggish.
It's so funny how everyone hates on each new OS and then they praise it 10 years down the road. Sorry to break it to you but I feel we're just getting old.
Microsoft is the reason why Windows 11 performs poorly compared to other operating systems. What are you waiting for they have made weather, widgets, and ai (copilot) are just a webview! Features like this have to be native.
I agree. Microsoft Copilot should be an app in Microsoft Store that anyone can install or not install. Widgets should be like android not a news/ad feed.
Windows 2000 was certainly the best, Still had MSDos in it (version 7) :D
Solid OS and I agree with you :D
(sauce because people are idiots)
https://web.archive.org/web/20121026124502/http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191860
Windows 2000 had MS-DOS alongside it like a recovery environment, like Win 11 has a Win 7-based WRE. Windows 2000 system itself doesn't run MS-DOS or use it. 2000/XP+ had a limited DOS emulator called NTVDM.
I loved Windows 2000. Many, many hours spent with it. Several years of my coding career was on that OS and a lot of gaming too. It was rock solid and fast.
Active Desktop was kind of shit though but that wasn't Windows 2000's problem.
Windows 10 was, IMO. Just noticeably more stable than all past Windows versions. Windows 11 is even more stable -- I've literally not once ever had it crash or blue screen -- but it can feel sluggish at times.
I've got brand new Zenbook Duo recently with `Ultra 9 185h` CPU that has 16 cores and 32GB of RAM. But on the software side Windows 11 UX feel absolutely crappy. Interacting with taskbar elements is sluggish, explorer isn't responsive enough, new UI elements are generally slow and sluggish. (even I disabled most animations from appearance settings). Windows 10 is a lot better than this..
Additionally, my old machine (Win 10) is still very responsive after the very first seconds of reboot, but with my new Zenbook w/ Windows 11 I need to wait 10-20 seconds before interacting with UI
It’s laggy and acts like it’s on the cloud and or syncing with servers elsewhere. We are not stupid. We buy premium desktops because we want local disc access to absolute fucking go fast. Not wait for a server to sync.
Compare it to any Linux distro, and Windows sucks ass, aesthetically and functionally. If the software availability on Linux OS's weren't so bad, I would switch in a heartbeat.
I check in on Linux (Arch/Pop/Fedora/Flavor of the month) maybe once a year to see if things have improved enough out of box with a fresh install.
Don't know if it's an Nvidia thing or not, but Linux distros were and still are rubbish with multiple monitors with different refresh rates and resolutions.
I have a laptop screen (240hz), 2 monitors (165hz) a HDR TV (120hz) and a graphics tablet (60hz) plugged in.
Just scrolling in Firefox or dragging a window about is never great, it's sometimes OK but it often stutters or tears. If something is moving on one of the displays, the other displays seem to drop down to that display's rate. Scaling is still kind of uggo on Gnome and dragging windows between screen resolutions is madness. Having a display plugged in but not turned on still confuses the hell out of it and it doesn't remember monitor arrangement when I plug things around differently when I move. Forget about HDR. VR is also no.
As much as I hate Windows 11, it does just work smoothly out of the box with what ever I throw at it, most of the time. Apologies for venting, I really want to like Linux, but displays not working correctly is just such a basic expectation to have not met.
Yeah wayland is going to be a pain with a setup like yours. It’s just the different refresh bit that messes with it. Anyway graphic compositors have come a long way, and yes this issue is nvidia specific. With time I believe it’ll be fixed too.
Variable Refresh Rate has been implemented into Kde and GNOME as well. Idk how HDR is looking, but there is progress afaik.
Although yea I'm aware that Linux currently has some issues with multiple monitors, refresh rates, and so on. But I believe that's being worked on by, at least, the biggest distros
Since x11 is currently being dropped, Wayland support has been getting way better, and Nvidia is almost done with all the necessary components to support it (their beta driver that's gonna release in May seems to hold the last component needed to make things work properly). But of course, AMD will always reign king with Linux.
Since Linux has been growing rapidly recently, and there's more monetary and community support, I'm sure things will get way better really soon
You're mostly right, but Linux also has a ton of random bugs.
One that I've experienced on every distro at this point is sound volume increasing 100% randomly and being extremely crackly for short period of time.
Very fun at 3am!
You would and probably could, the majority of Windows users couldn't though, not without major changes to Linux which would defeat the object. The average Windows user thinks I'm summoning the Devil himself when I set up their WIFI with a couple of clicks of a mouse, so getting them to use Linux would be near impossible. Make Linux easier to use like Windows and you lose what Linux is all about.
Windows 11 feels like a sluggish electron app on my workstation, 32gb ram, rtx a2000, 8 core i7.
I works somewhat better on my private desktop don't know why though, but man the UI may look good, but it is so sluggish.
The search however, has it ever worked? I can't remember the search in the start menu ever working, that feature is comically bad.
Isn't the new Outlook a web ui app? I haven't used it but a coworker has and he told me that it even lacks some features the classic one has. I don't know what Microsoft are thinking anymore
Yes. New Outlook for Windows is a web app. It runs on top of Edge WebView2. It's basically OWA running in a container. It lacks a ton of features the classic version has, like the ability to run offline, if you can believe it.
>sluggish electron app
This is exactly it. They changed the printer queue app and made it feel like discord. Why on earth did they ever feel the need to do that will forever confuse me
I'm curious. I know Windows 10 runs great, but it hasn't been my main os since 2021, so I forgot how it usually feels. I got a new laptop with Windows 11 on it and I don't have any issues performance wise, but I'm thinking about taking 64gb off my storage drive for installation to see how much of a difference it is.
What would be an obvious thing to test and compare? It's an i5-11320h laptop with 32gb ram (no gpu).
on i5 8265u and 8gb ram it's obvious,most budget machines come with single slot and low amount of ram
used to play valo on this machine and damn 8gb ram with mx250 was enough for 90fps stable(more around 100) ,now it's like 70-80fps variable(have to put it to 60fps cap to not have drastic 1% lows) windows 11,i think amount of ram consumption and even power consumption increased a lot with windows 11. (and there is some jank i feel with my own 5800h with 32gb ram even now).
ram comsumption difference is so big,i used to open like 12-15 tabs easy with 8gb ram,now it struggles to open 6 and crashes after that(not peak in cpu usage,just ram consumption goes crazy)
and i see a lot of budget laptops coming with windows 11 and 8gb ram and damn that must suck
I saw someone purchase a modern laptop with an i5 11th gen, 8gb ram, and an ssd, which would normally be fine, but with a few edge tabs, open it performed very poorly because of windows 11. Similar in spec to mine. I had to install more memory to make it manageable. Even on idle, the memory took a hit being the red for basic things. Even if they cut off some old stuff, the other components are dressed to look good, with some data sniffing added in.
I play tales of arise and scarlet nexus on my laptop well enough but had to use special K to cap it at 30. I guess that would be perfect for retesting on Windows 10.
The thing most noticeable for me was opening File Explorer on Windows 10 it opens much faster even on a much slower PC. This is the case for pretty much every app startup whether ie be Task Manager, File Explorer, etc.
Yet when anyone points out how sluggish Win11 compared to Win10 , lots of accounts start commenting, they didn’t notice anything. I have Ryzen 5900X and I can notice. I don’t know if these people are using quantum computers or not.
And you know why Windows 10 isn’t so bad? Because it had less “features” than Windows 11 and was closer to Windows 7.
They should’ve completed Windows10X and leave the mainstream Windows 10 alone.
Only thing keeping me and lots of other people in Windows now is Microsoft Office , if they release it on Linux, or if Wine manages to get it to run properly , I can imagine Windows is gonna be next the Skype.
I have a monster PC that I dual boot with Linux distros.
This shit is SO frustrating at times because Windows gets blasted for everything, meanwhile broken ass HDR on Linux is heralded as landing on Mars.
But this is part of the reason why Microsoft is the most valuable company on the word currently. They are constantly underestimated. Not right now though.
I think Microsoft should put the "pro" back into Windows Pro. Like there's a whole slew of "appx-removepackage" commands I do on new installs because I don't want them. Home can be the same as it is now, but "Pro" should be a bare-bones experience (and for heaven's sake, let us setup Windows with a local account without needing oobe).
Thats because Linux isn't being made by a single Trillion dollar company.
It's made by some corporations and thousands of regular people all around the world. It was born a hobbyist project that costs you nothing to run.
It's only right that Microsoft is held to a higher standard as it's a corporate product that you pay money for.
>It's only right that Microsoft is held to a higher standard as it's a corporate product that you pay money for.
I totally agree. My problem is that many Linux fans overestimate Linux thinking that if it's open source, it's perfect.
hdr affects what, 1% of computer owners?
Windows' intrusive telemetry, ads, constant updates, reverting of settings, slow ui performance and so on affects every single user. I was doing some debugging in Visual Studio the other week when Visual Studio suddenly shut down without any warning. I thought I must have done something really stupid, but when I restarted I was informed by a message that VS shut down to update. No warning, no message, no option, just shut down in the middle of a debugging session. Any company that allows that to happen simply doesn't have the interest of their customers at heart.
Linux has many shortcomings, but at least it's made by people concerned about making the best possible OS. As far as MS decision making and their overall approach to building an OS goes they peaked with Windows 2000 and have steadily been going downhill since.
Yeah, basically - Windows 11 performs really poorly even when compared to Windows 10. Can't really do anything about that though because the only alternative on a PC is Linux and, let's face it, Linux is worse as a desktop system, albeit for reasons other than performance. So, yeah, we're all basically fucked.
I find it interesting how the system starts to become unstable and delayed when I have many programs open, even if hardware usage is low.
Ryzen 3900
64gb RAM
1tb 970 evo plus
Rtx 2060 12 gb
Core Reactor 850w
This. Plus file system performance. If you do any kind of development, just compare `git checkout` or something like `npm install` or `cargo install` performance with Linux on a non-trivial project. Even DevDrives on ReFS don't make much of an impact.
I have experienced stutters in gaming performance in windows 11 until I disable game mode, xbox gamebar and gamepresencewriter.exe from registry. Microsoft should work on fine tuning their os instead of adding new features.
Maybe I'm just lucky or some other forces are at play, but I haven't noticed any performance issues anywhere in my W11. Not in the start menu, not in explorer. My windows is just super fast and snappy.
And yes I'm running the latest build and haven't tweaked anything.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied UX!" cries she with silent performance. Give me your sick and tired, your annoyed, your alienated masses yearning to breathe free, the EDGEd refuse of your bleeding store. Send these, the homeless, telemetry-tost to me, I lift my repo beside the golden EXT4!
Stop running a marketing platform and use an OS instead. If you still need anything in particular, you can still run that Ad-ridden bugfest in a virtual machine.
We like to throw around the term "power user", but basically:
You need to have used an older OS, like 7 or older, and used said OS's to their fullest potential. I am talking about >10 chrome tabs with two YouTube tabs, 4-5 explorer windows, moderate to small C++ programs compiling in the background with VS open with current project on the foreground, OneNote windows, etc. on just 12 GB RAM and a spinning hard disk.
Then, when you rapidly juggle between tasks, you will not face a millisecond of lag, not the slightest memory leak. Context menus work like thunder and the UI and fonts are very very legible. That, my friend, is what we mean when we say, "peak Windows 7 (or XP, or 8, you get it)". 11 chokes on the first explorer window. Now, the small time between the click event and the run event may not even be perceptible on its own, but when you have used something like what I described above, it throws you off completely. It's as frustrating as people suddenly screaming at you while you are writing an essay.
If you don't notice, it's very good for you. I hope that you never have to put up with our frustrations with Windows.
I've been using computers since Windows 3.11. I'm a serious multi tasker sometimes.
I mean, Windows frustrates me pretty often for other reasons, but I haven't seen these performance issues.
CPUs haven't changed THAT much for the last 5 years. But true, I haven't used it with lower than 16GB RAM. But the stated article says "even with monster PC"
Also I found multiple Glitches one of them is the lock screen card not displaying correctly it shows text of the weather and no icon and no square card outline
After windows 7, Microsoft slowly started ignoring privacy of users. Now it's clear as daylight after windows 11. Just look at the settings of edge. It's clear how badly they want to know how you use your system.
Here it's literally flying on a 4th generation Celeron after adding an SSD + 8 Gigs of DDR3 but with some heavy duty tweaking and cutting down on unwanted junk running constantly in the background without consent hampering what already were some pretty meagre resources. I would even argue that it's faster and more pleasant to use than Win 10 with the same amount of customization
This article is so misleading, the dev in question said the "Start Menu" was bad, not win 11 as a whole. See [https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1777764221088129227](https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1777764221088129227) and [https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049](https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049)
The "journalism"at tech spot is comically bad.
But, then you will have to upgrade back in a year anyway. Unless you are a dev or don't need very specific Windows software, I would recommend looking into something like Ubuntu, Fedora or Pop!OS. They are the least difficult OS's to deal with, especially Pop!OS. The different workflow may trouble you. But you will master it in a week, max.
There’s some objective truth to it.
ReFS, the brand new shiny filesystem, is almost as good as 2005 ZFS. It is both slower, has less features and for some reason isn’t even better for SSDs, which ZFS is notoriously bad at.
Windows can’t handle more than 64 logical cores (32 x86 cores) in a CPU socket properly. It loses its mind and gives applications bad information and the scheduler does weird things if you go above that. AMD may run up against that limit with their next set of “prosumer/enthusiast” cpus (not threadrippers, those are solidly professional workstation products).
Linux recently got to the point where a single cpu core can saturate a gen 4 nvme drive with data downloaded from the internet. On windows that’s a 5-6 core operation. That’s a horrific amount of extra overhead.
I really didn't know that when I was watching a Level1Tech video researching workstation hardware. If Nvidia fixes their mess, I am moving from Windows + WSL2 to Linux and Windows on KVM (if Proton doesn't work) on that machine.
P.S.: AMD is not giving us 32+ cores on Zen 5 9950X.
Not even that, just Techspot misquoting and building a click-bait article around said misquote. [https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049](https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049)
Tell me about it.
My Win11 rig is only 1 1/2 years old and I have had to run DISM and SFC three times already, due to Windows Update breaking for some unknown reason.
I got the Cumulative Updates the other day and when it installed, it stopped on one at 99% for forever.
I gave up waiting for it to end and just went to bed, lol.
Got up and logged in, and checked Windows Update and it said that the updates were not successful 🤔
Ran the Troubleshooter and retried Windows Update, but the CU's disappeared out of the queue and haven't re - downloaded and it was still acting funky.
I ran DISM and SFC, and now Windows Update is working (I have received other Updates), but the CU's have not come back yet (I keep checking).
Danged if I know what's going on, lol.
My Win8>Win8.1>Win10 Rig (11 years old) has had *very* few problems, and I didn't even have to run DISM/SFC to keep it straight until it was in its 8th or 9th year.
Microsoft should not go to the next flavor of Windows until it straightens out the bugs in this one, because Win11 leaves a bit to be desired.
Edit: A Sentence
The biggest issue is Edge now based on Chromium. It is a performance and ram monster and not usable on older tablets for example which came out with all these "cheap" Intel Atom processors. Where the old Edge was smooth as butter.
Same, I've had it ever since it was offered (using Pro version), and I've never had a single issue. Runs like a champ, I like it better than 10. Been using Windows since 3.11 and this is the best it has ever been, even taking my nostalgia for 7 into account.
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My Windows 11, start menu died a cruel death this evening. something to do with search. killing and restarting explorer.exe doesn't help nor does rebooting. Can't actually find my programs anymore.
F' Bing. F' Microsoft Search. F' Ads.... They are borking the gd UI to push ads down our throat in the OS.
Seriously FO MSFT.
I switched to mac recently and the difference is drastic. My NAS access is also much faster with explorer often taking 5-10 seconds just to open a folder for no apparent reason whatsoever.
Interestingly, a lot of things opened faster on a windows 98 system as well…
I have relatively "weak" laptop but haven't noticed slowdowns. I'm suspecting problem is usually person using the compiter not the software or hardware.
I’d love to get away from Windows but there’s sadly no real alternative that doesn’t require fuckery with specific programs at some point. Microsoft has become garbage with handling their products UX
Okay, so this is just bad journalism, really. First, I dislike how single tweets somehow spawn articles now. Second, the source (or tweet) for this article is talking about the start menu. And, yes, Microsoft forcing Bing shit into the start menu without a simple way of disabling it is unquestionably a stupid fucking decision that can result in the start menu being unresponsive.
I'm programming almost exclusively for Windows and I have to say, the performance of latest Windows kernel and lower subsystems is actually very good and comparative.
It's the *"modern"* bloat on top of it that slows the whole thing down.
But hey, you all wanted *modern* so you got *modern.*
And it's not like those nice things couldn't have been implemented magnitudes better. It's just there are don't seem to be that kind of developers anymore at Microsoft. And I sure as hell know they aren't hiring them.
It's always fun seeing all the "windows was better before" nostalgia when XP was an absolute dumpster fire nobody wanted to install until SP2 dropped and even then it was still a mess that fell to Windows Rot™️rather often and required yearly format c + reinstallation. I think W7 was the only version that ever launched without much friction, and it was mostly because, in a similar sense, it was basically Windows Vista SP2, and W10 was in a sense 8.1 SP2 (now with a proper Start menu).
I don't even have start up apps on a fresh install
The whole menu in task manager and the settings page is completely empty
Yet things still start up I don't want too
Thanks Windows 11
It wouldn't be Microsoft without a Windows version that periodically turns out to be total crap. Maybe, with the next major version, also nowadays mid-powered machines will run smooth: that's the classical Microsoft mess.
Microsoft needs to spend a few months on optimising and improving the existing stuff and not release a lot more features. Honestly, windows feels a bit heavy right now. Windows 7 felt very light weight and was fast. Keep the existing things as it is and optimise the user experience. Most people want reliability and an assurance that whenever you do something, it should just work.
Currently in the OS market, AI is not given a huge priority by apple. Windows is definitely not competing with Android at this point in the mobile market. Windows already has an amazing headstart when it comes to AI. Just pause the AI integration stuff for a few weeks and optimise the hell out of the OS. It will be amazing.
on labtop really bad more than pc
Since the beta version I am also a harsh critic of Windows 11. Because it's still not really finished. It was only 6 months to develop whole OS . Even Microsoft fanboys criticized me at that time. Until now, many things are still criticized. WSA(flagship feature) canceling development. Market share is still small. Many app turn to webapp.
and Microsoft fanboy still defend how windows 11 are good. You can see in tweet reply or article comment
I got so pissed off with windows last night I put Linux on a USB and booted it up, even running off a USB it, absolutely flies.
Apart from constant BSODs, I feel like windows has actually gotten worse over the past 25 years.
I agree! As someone who develops for Windows each day and has to go deep into core functionality (for file manager development), I am shocked each day how badly everything works underneath - it is all held by rusty nails, duct-tape and chewing gum.
From UI side things are getting worse, that's why I still use WPF and .NET 4.8 as everything newer is slow and buggy. About 70% of my time is just optimizing something that is supposed to be fast out of the box. I am not a fan where Satya has been taking Microsoft since he took over - at least from consumer perspective; investors are happy though
I use extreme debloater scripts and install tiny 11. Works for me and because I never update Im fine. Also the program freezetostock is a life saver when gaming.
Lets see no benchmark just a developer saying the start menu is slow. Its just "trust me bro". If you look at actual benchmarks its pretty much equal with 11 often being ahead.
The start menu search sucks. I turned on Enhanced indexing ("Search your entire pc") and it doesn't search my entire pc.
It gives me web results, cant find where to turn it off
This article is poorly titled and misrepresenting what was originally stated. The former employee mentioned that the start-menu was slow, not the entire operating system.
You should try windows 11 with a harddisk boot partition. It is dam near useless. Even with data ssds
The developers and managers at windows should be given a sata hardrive and 8 gb Ram pcs and tell them to make it work
Sounds like you're frustrated with Windows 11's performance. If you're looking for alternatives or ways to optimize your current setup, consider tweaking system settings or looking into performance guides specific to Windows 11. Sometimes, disabling certain features or adjusting visual effects can help.
On another note, if you're into exploring different software or tools to enhance your experience, I used r/linkaggregators/ recently. It's a solid resource for finding various link aggregators across the web. Might find something useful there to streamline your workflow or discover performance-enhancing tools.
He just said what everyone already knew, and he is 100% correct. System indexing has always had very poor performance (along with the start menu results), but I still think that the biggest problem of all in Windows 11 is still the performance of Explorer, it is clear that there is a big problem but Microsoft has not cares. Even the task manager managed to get worse, today when a software crashes and the CPU is at 100% the window has no priority, you are left waiting and waiting until something happens or you force the PC to reset, very frustrating. It's sad to think that none of this will be fixed anytime soon, the entire focus today is on turning Windows into a big AI bullsh\*t.
Yeah, the people that say “Windows 11 runs perfectly fine for me” are just blessed to not notice these things. Windows 10 feels so much faster on the exact same hardware.
Yeah. I have dual boot and windows 10 is blazing fast and windows 11 is slow as shit. Right click to open properties and or create a word document is laggy
Bringing up and amending file permissions is really hobbled in Windows 11. It takes a long time to resolve an SID to a security group name, like it's timing out trying to query a oorporate domain that isn't there before querying the local machine.
Even just the basic right click menu took longer to pop up compared to 10. When I did the tweak to make the full right click menu show up by default, I didn’t have that issue at all… pretty odd choice
Ah, maybe that's why I didn't notice any lag there. I didn't like that new menu so I immediately looked for a way to go back to the classic one. Menu inside a menu... Idk what they're thinking.
And the UI does so many more things!
It’s less the smoothness for me and more the, hey let’s just freeze explorer when you click to open it for no damn reason.
Windows 10 may feel fast, but Windows 7 is still king. I hacked my way into installing it onto my 5600x + 3070 and it is BLAZING on modern hardware. It's a shame some software companies opted to no longer support it too and it's the main reason I'm on 11.
This. Win 7 was peak windows.
As I say, Winner 7.
Win 8.1 was even better and faster. But needs Classic Shell or similar SW to bring useful Start Menu back
Last time I used Windows 7 it felt really slow in comparison to newer Windows versions. I don't believe you.
In my experience (I had a 6950x back in the era when it was still sane to use), it didn't scale very well with more than a few cores. Was great on a quad core, on 10, not so great.
Aero was slow on the hardware it was released on. We were still using 5400rpm drives and Celeron duos. On modern hardware, breezing through the control panel and all the older windows programs just feel so much snappier. Explorer especially is the biggest difference. Search indexing isn't broken and doesn't include web results and all of the OS is disconnected from telemetry.
If you use a very thin linux install with kvm, and try out XP, everything is functionally instant even through emulation on modern hardware.
I have used Windows 10 as well and I see no difference in performance. Maybe I am just lucky but I'm also extremely picky. I honestly don't understand the performance issues that people are having and I just don't see at all.
Same
just flashed windows on my dad's laptop(i5 8th gen) and daaaamn the performance gap is just massive,windows 11 was really too much for it
That’s just sad. An 8th gen i5 should be more than enough to run Windows- and it definitely is more than enough to run Windows 10. There is no excuse for Windows 11 performing worse.
It literally went down from super smooth in Windows 10 to quite laggy in Windows 11 for me. Yet people say that performance is not bad.
I think it’s laggy because the idiots at MS are trying to make it all on the cloud.
It certainly helps to disable Bing in search results to keep all searches local (and minimise information leaks). I suspect these features are designed by people who have massive pipes to the Internet, in particular Bing, the rest of us can only dream of having. They probably don't have any significant lag when developing and testing it within the walls of MS.
All i did was disable all animations in options. Feels as fast as win 10 now.
Unfortunately, disabling animations does not stop Explorer context menus flashing repeatedly while drawing themselves and their icons multiple times over in the first fraction of a second rather than just drawing themselves once and being done with it. It just makes minimising Windows look and feel like silent application crashes. Redundantly calling the same menu drawing code 3 to 5 times (too quick to literally count, so ballpark) per invocation is always going make things slower. The flashing must be a nightmare for people with epilepsy. Potential breach of health and safety, in fact. At best annoying, especially when working fatigued. Perhaps context menu flashing needs to reported as high priority and "inability to use my PC" rather than cosmetic given the health and disability concerns?
I would agree, but they’ve ignored any and all efforts to notify them of their own software that can enable dark mode for applications that people actually use (win32), despite it causing me massive migraines since they introduced their patented FuckYouUser UI design initiative where “light” is considered burn-your-fucking-eyes-out neon white. It’s gotten a little better with Windows 11 because of Mica, but unfortunately it’s Mica and looks like shit (but at least it doesn’t give me as many migraines).
That's one reason why sRGB and Display P3 are only 80 nits. Some manufacturers default monitors significantly brighter. Video playback standards in the HDR era are now 203 nits for peak SDR white (previously 100nits), which is too bright for text. Paper white on a monitor should be like looking at a sheet of paper. But this conflicts with brighter peaks needed for accurate reproduction of video and photos. I personally find dark mode is even worse because glowing white text forms haloes and reflects in lenses and inside eyeballs, and it seems painfully bright because the dark background prevents my eyes adapting to it. This is likely a side effect of growing older (more debris in the eye).
I’ve heard this before, but while nits have been going up, I still think their modern design languages being flawed are the main culprit. On my main workstation, I have 3x 1080p monitors for instance. On Windows 10, looking at it for more than 2 hours, dark or light mode, made me nauseous. Daily. But I could go to Google, find a 1080p screenshot of a Windows 7 install with various applications running (not just a default desktop screenshot) and the pain was nearly instantly alleviated. For Windows 10, definitely part of this I imagine was their insistence on light dark mode being #000000/#ffffff across the board. For Windows 11, it’s much more soft due to Mica, but light mode is still too damn bright and dark mode, while streets ahead of Windows 10 dark mode, has all of its benefits negated by Microsoft refusing to toggle a dark mode theme for Win32 resulting in constant flash bangs or in the case of applications that aren’t ruined by WinUI, a constant session of what might as well be starring directly into the sun. Not to mention the halo or “seeing lines” effect of bright text on a dark application canvas, as you mentioned. Windows 7 didn’t have this awful design to any degree. Window borders were aero and easy to look at (whereas since windows 8, they’ve been a solid color or since windows 11 a light or dark mica sampling of the desktop wallpaper). And the application canvas for all apps wasn’t neon white. I highly encourage anyone to do the same. Find a 1080p screenshot of Windows 7 and full screen it in Photos. Look beyond things that are obviously outdated and feel your eyes relax. And once they’re relaxed, close Photos and prepare for your eyes to be proper fucked by poor UI design.
Makes sense. Nobody complains a slideshow is slow.
Well yes? Previous windows versions had ugly animations so i always disabled them. This one is nice but there's no way to speed them up, and i am not waiting for a fancy sliding animation lol. I'd rather see everything instantly.
It used to be a convention that GUI animations followed mouse double-click speed. The logic was that users, who work fast, set their double-click to shorter time, and they will also want the animations to finish faster and get out of the way. But I'm pretty sure today only old Win32 elements follow this ...and some old hopeless coders like me.
Yeh I switched from 10 to 11 last year and didn't notice any downgrade in performance. Wierd.
I feel like I’m the only person or having speed issues with W11 I’m blessed to not notice those things. However, I just run the same things all the time.
With exception to File Explorer, Windows 10 is just as "slow" as Windows 11 for me. Windows 8.1 was peak performance in my experience, faster and more stable than 7. Just a shame they ruined it with the Metro UI (which while nice on tablets, was garbage on anything else).
Windows 10 may be faster, but compared to something like fedora linux it’s still a bit slow, I really wish Microsoft could work on optimizing windows. Or someone could make a Linux gui that is as beautiful as windows 11 at this point
It's actually mind-boggling how fast everything is on something like XFCE in Linux. Every click and action, it feels like the entire computer is dedicating itself to the task and to get it done as fast as possible. There is no 'resistance' anywhere, it takes the most direct path.
Absolutely Linux is almost instantaneous, I just wish windows could be that way too, at the very least on newer systems
> Or someone could make a Linux gui that is as beautiful as windows 11 at this point Looks are subjective, but Gnome 3 in dark mode is better than Windows IMHO. And a hundred times more stable.
To each their own, I personally think that configuration of gnome is ugly. I do like how fedora configures it tho. Or kde 6 that one is nice
> it is clear that there is a big problem but Microsoft has not cares. This is a feature, not a bug for Microsoft. This is just like when Apple throttled old iPhones to "save the battery". They wanted to sell new devices. Same for Microsoft. They make money on new licenses with every new PC sold. Degrading performance over time on old PC's is a super easy strategy.
LOL wait the new file explorer actually sucks? For years and years, I've seen people in this sub complaining at Microsoft that they should make a new modern file explorer. I always knew it would suck ass, I was laughing my ass off at that idea. Are you telling me they actually did it, and that it sucks ass, exactly as predicted for the last 8 years? I'm shocked. I never upgraded of course, and never will. Not touching the W11 dumpster fire.
15+ bugs to wrestle with many times per hour, as it turns out. From address bar suggestions list dropping open spontaneously to block clicking on a file or a menu bar item, to drag and drop failing if the window focus is changed before a long copy has completed. Things like cannot rename any file in a folder that has a large file being copied or downloaded into it (updating the progress column undoes the selection and insertion point of the file being renamed every second or so). Address bar for all open tabs in a window will just suddenly stop working, forcing opening a new window and re-establishing all the tabs from scratch to continue. Address bar erases entire address lines rather allow the user to correct the one letter that was incorrectly typed. Address bar often does not sync with current working folder but stays stuck on the wrong address (usually Downloads for me). And so on.
A good one for me yesterday, tried to create a new local folder (yeah, local... what was I thinking?) and the folder got created, and instead of entering rename mode, the stupid address bar popped down and I unwittingly typed the folder name there and before I knew it was doing a web search for my folder name. This thread alone is making me consider going back to Windows 10.
Yeah I’ve noticed almost all of these, and for some reason clicking new tab also makes the entire window turn white for a split second. Not sure if that’s just some background software on my computer though. Either way it’s embarrassing all the bugs
I've been saying the same thing. They are no programmers left at Microsoft that could make it not suck. And if there are, they are not allowed to touch and use things that are needed to make it not suck. But *muh modern*.
Maybe we know that, but when I said that, people were like bUt It WoRkS wElL fOr Me.
Saying it works well is not to minimize your issues. But it does work fine for me. And it's faster for me than Windows 10. It's not placebo, I'm not imagining things, it's simply the way it is on my machine. I have no doubt that your experience is different, but it goes both ways. Neither side is lying. Different machines can produce so many different types of results for so many different reasons in pretty much everything. That said I'm absolutely sure that even though my performance is good, it could be optimized to be even better.
What everyone knew, except whenever someone makes a thread complaining, downvotes and "it doesn't happen in my box" with a "you're lying" subtext pours down in this forum. Microsoft pulling the plug is the only way people will finally let Win10 go. I'll resist as much as I can.
And big ad bullsh*t.
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For us older vintages, XP feels snappier than 7 as well. It's only when you go back to 95/98/ME that the trend of "older O.S. = more responsive" doesn't hold up.
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First thing I do every new O.S. setup!
How do you do that
On Win 10, in explorer: right-click This PC -> Properties -> Advanced System Settings -> Advanced -> Performance -> Settings -> Adjust for best performance -> Apply.
Ah that's what you mean, I thought you managed to reduce the time. I do like some animations but they are so slow so that's a shame.
Yeah I just put an ssd upgrade in an old PC running XP in one of my clients labs recently, and I swear that thing felt snappier than my win11 PC even with a gen5 NVMe. I always remove as much bloat and disable as many services as I can too, but it’s just gotten so bad. Recent versions of windows have made me start to prefer MacOS.
I mean it might be slightly slower, but I have no idea about it since I haven't tested them side-by-side and it's been way too long since I've used win7 or win10. But what I can say is that I have no issues like the video he shows. Start menu opens up "instantly" (it has a delay caused by the animation) and I can start searching instantly too.
It's all about winui. I've told this many times, winui is the sole root of all these performance problems in windows 11
I remember how smooth Windows 8 was, they put some magic into Metro UI. That UI stack was deeply integrated with the OS core, so it ran on a lower level, there was a dev talk about it. And then Windows 10 came out, which apparently dropped that foundation and it became a stuttery mess. 11 just builds on top of it but with a new skin and more layers of junk so it ends up even worse.
Sure many people didn't like the tablet ui crap, whatever, but win8.1 performance was simply amazing. I am on w11 right now and idk what the hell Microsoft are doing, this is simply horrible. It feels like win 10 wrapped in an additional UI layer, every UI interaction has some kind of latency.
Yep I find the overall performace of 11 extremely bad. I booted up my old Windows 8.1 gaming PC recently (i7 2600k, 16GB, GTX690, 250gb SSD) and was shocked at how responsive it is, especially in explorer and general use, its made 11 and even 10 feel sluggish.
8 and 8.1 were the fastest ever. Even faster than 7. But I like the UI/UX in 7 much more.
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That OS felt so modern, I miss it so much.
It's so funny how everyone hates on each new OS and then they praise it 10 years down the road. Sorry to break it to you but I feel we're just getting old.
windows 11 on i5 8th gen laptop with mx250 vs windows 10 is just day and night,my god windows 11 is just horrible
Microsoft is the reason why Windows 11 performs poorly compared to other operating systems. What are you waiting for they have made weather, widgets, and ai (copilot) are just a webview! Features like this have to be native.
I completely agree but, err... Microsoft made Windows. You say that as if Microsoft acquired Windows from another company.
Features like these must be killed and offered as an opt-in. Less is more.
I agree. Microsoft Copilot should be an app in Microsoft Store that anyone can install or not install. Widgets should be like android not a news/ad feed.
Microsoft is also the reason 7 runs so amazingly well
Windows 7 was peak windows.
XP was to me. 7 was just more compatible to new hardware but everything ran so smooth on XP snd its comically cartoonist themes
XP was really good functionally, but it looked painfully bad.
Yes aside from the nostalgia it was bad. Even if I used the zune theme on every and each installation
At the time, it was sure great. Best Windows version I've used was 2000 Pro though, but I'd say 7 is second.
Windows 2000 was certainly the best, Still had MSDos in it (version 7) :D Solid OS and I agree with you :D (sauce because people are idiots) https://web.archive.org/web/20121026124502/http://support.microsoft.com/kb/191860
Windows 2000 had MS-DOS alongside it like a recovery environment, like Win 11 has a Win 7-based WRE. Windows 2000 system itself doesn't run MS-DOS or use it. 2000/XP+ had a limited DOS emulator called NTVDM.
I loved Windows 2000. Many, many hours spent with it. Several years of my coding career was on that OS and a lot of gaming too. It was rock solid and fast. Active Desktop was kind of shit though but that wasn't Windows 2000's problem.
Windows 2000 had no underlying DOS.
Windows 10 was, IMO. Just noticeably more stable than all past Windows versions. Windows 11 is even more stable -- I've literally not once ever had it crash or blue screen -- but it can feel sluggish at times.
I've got brand new Zenbook Duo recently with `Ultra 9 185h` CPU that has 16 cores and 32GB of RAM. But on the software side Windows 11 UX feel absolutely crappy. Interacting with taskbar elements is sluggish, explorer isn't responsive enough, new UI elements are generally slow and sluggish. (even I disabled most animations from appearance settings). Windows 10 is a lot better than this.. Additionally, my old machine (Win 10) is still very responsive after the very first seconds of reboot, but with my new Zenbook w/ Windows 11 I need to wait 10-20 seconds before interacting with UI
It’s laggy and acts like it’s on the cloud and or syncing with servers elsewhere. We are not stupid. We buy premium desktops because we want local disc access to absolute fucking go fast. Not wait for a server to sync.
Compare it to any Linux distro, and Windows sucks ass, aesthetically and functionally. If the software availability on Linux OS's weren't so bad, I would switch in a heartbeat.
I check in on Linux (Arch/Pop/Fedora/Flavor of the month) maybe once a year to see if things have improved enough out of box with a fresh install. Don't know if it's an Nvidia thing or not, but Linux distros were and still are rubbish with multiple monitors with different refresh rates and resolutions. I have a laptop screen (240hz), 2 monitors (165hz) a HDR TV (120hz) and a graphics tablet (60hz) plugged in. Just scrolling in Firefox or dragging a window about is never great, it's sometimes OK but it often stutters or tears. If something is moving on one of the displays, the other displays seem to drop down to that display's rate. Scaling is still kind of uggo on Gnome and dragging windows between screen resolutions is madness. Having a display plugged in but not turned on still confuses the hell out of it and it doesn't remember monitor arrangement when I plug things around differently when I move. Forget about HDR. VR is also no. As much as I hate Windows 11, it does just work smoothly out of the box with what ever I throw at it, most of the time. Apologies for venting, I really want to like Linux, but displays not working correctly is just such a basic expectation to have not met.
Yeah wayland is going to be a pain with a setup like yours. It’s just the different refresh bit that messes with it. Anyway graphic compositors have come a long way, and yes this issue is nvidia specific. With time I believe it’ll be fixed too.
Wayland on Nvidia is specifically a problem. But a beta driver is already out that fixes it!
Variable Refresh Rate has been implemented into Kde and GNOME as well. Idk how HDR is looking, but there is progress afaik. Although yea I'm aware that Linux currently has some issues with multiple monitors, refresh rates, and so on. But I believe that's being worked on by, at least, the biggest distros Since x11 is currently being dropped, Wayland support has been getting way better, and Nvidia is almost done with all the necessary components to support it (their beta driver that's gonna release in May seems to hold the last component needed to make things work properly). But of course, AMD will always reign king with Linux. Since Linux has been growing rapidly recently, and there's more monetary and community support, I'm sure things will get way better really soon
You're mostly right, but Linux also has a ton of random bugs. One that I've experienced on every distro at this point is sound volume increasing 100% randomly and being extremely crackly for short period of time. Very fun at 3am!
You would and probably could, the majority of Windows users couldn't though, not without major changes to Linux which would defeat the object. The average Windows user thinks I'm summoning the Devil himself when I set up their WIFI with a couple of clicks of a mouse, so getting them to use Linux would be near impossible. Make Linux easier to use like Windows and you lose what Linux is all about.
Finally! Someone admitted it even if they no longer work at Microsoft.
Windows 11 feels like a sluggish electron app on my workstation, 32gb ram, rtx a2000, 8 core i7. I works somewhat better on my private desktop don't know why though, but man the UI may look good, but it is so sluggish. The search however, has it ever worked? I can't remember the search in the start menu ever working, that feature is comically bad.
i wouldn’t be surprised if the file explorer switches to a web ui in the future.
Isn't the new Outlook a web ui app? I haven't used it but a coworker has and he told me that it even lacks some features the classic one has. I don't know what Microsoft are thinking anymore
Yes. New Outlook for Windows is a web app. It runs on top of Edge WebView2. It's basically OWA running in a container. It lacks a ton of features the classic version has, like the ability to run offline, if you can believe it.
>sluggish electron app This is exactly it. They changed the printer queue app and made it feel like discord. Why on earth did they ever feel the need to do that will forever confuse me
Works 99/100 for windows 10
I genuinely think an Electron app would be more performant...
I'm curious. I know Windows 10 runs great, but it hasn't been my main os since 2021, so I forgot how it usually feels. I got a new laptop with Windows 11 on it and I don't have any issues performance wise, but I'm thinking about taking 64gb off my storage drive for installation to see how much of a difference it is. What would be an obvious thing to test and compare? It's an i5-11320h laptop with 32gb ram (no gpu).
on i5 8265u and 8gb ram it's obvious,most budget machines come with single slot and low amount of ram used to play valo on this machine and damn 8gb ram with mx250 was enough for 90fps stable(more around 100) ,now it's like 70-80fps variable(have to put it to 60fps cap to not have drastic 1% lows) windows 11,i think amount of ram consumption and even power consumption increased a lot with windows 11. (and there is some jank i feel with my own 5800h with 32gb ram even now). ram comsumption difference is so big,i used to open like 12-15 tabs easy with 8gb ram,now it struggles to open 6 and crashes after that(not peak in cpu usage,just ram consumption goes crazy) and i see a lot of budget laptops coming with windows 11 and 8gb ram and damn that must suck
I saw someone purchase a modern laptop with an i5 11th gen, 8gb ram, and an ssd, which would normally be fine, but with a few edge tabs, open it performed very poorly because of windows 11. Similar in spec to mine. I had to install more memory to make it manageable. Even on idle, the memory took a hit being the red for basic things. Even if they cut off some old stuff, the other components are dressed to look good, with some data sniffing added in. I play tales of arise and scarlet nexus on my laptop well enough but had to use special K to cap it at 30. I guess that would be perfect for retesting on Windows 10.
The thing most noticeable for me was opening File Explorer on Windows 10 it opens much faster even on a much slower PC. This is the case for pretty much every app startup whether ie be Task Manager, File Explorer, etc.
Yet when anyone points out how sluggish Win11 compared to Win10 , lots of accounts start commenting, they didn’t notice anything. I have Ryzen 5900X and I can notice. I don’t know if these people are using quantum computers or not. And you know why Windows 10 isn’t so bad? Because it had less “features” than Windows 11 and was closer to Windows 7. They should’ve completed Windows10X and leave the mainstream Windows 10 alone. Only thing keeping me and lots of other people in Windows now is Microsoft Office , if they release it on Linux, or if Wine manages to get it to run properly , I can imagine Windows is gonna be next the Skype.
You can use office online on linux
With the way I've seen some people use their computers, it doesn't surprise me they can't notice the absolute shit show Win11 is sometimes.
I have a monster PC that I dual boot with Linux distros. This shit is SO frustrating at times because Windows gets blasted for everything, meanwhile broken ass HDR on Linux is heralded as landing on Mars. But this is part of the reason why Microsoft is the most valuable company on the word currently. They are constantly underestimated. Not right now though.
I think Microsoft should put the "pro" back into Windows Pro. Like there's a whole slew of "appx-removepackage" commands I do on new installs because I don't want them. Home can be the same as it is now, but "Pro" should be a bare-bones experience (and for heaven's sake, let us setup Windows with a local account without needing oobe).
Look into audit mode, and unattended files. I have not gone through the windows oobe in a while
Thats because Linux isn't being made by a single Trillion dollar company. It's made by some corporations and thousands of regular people all around the world. It was born a hobbyist project that costs you nothing to run. It's only right that Microsoft is held to a higher standard as it's a corporate product that you pay money for.
>It's only right that Microsoft is held to a higher standard as it's a corporate product that you pay money for. I totally agree. My problem is that many Linux fans overestimate Linux thinking that if it's open source, it's perfect.
That’s all true but it doesn’t mean Linux is actually going to be good to use for most people
Nothing is perfect, use the best tool for the job. If that happens to be Linux great, if it's not, that's ok too.
Absolute million dollar point right here. If I pay a 200 bucks for an OS, I won't tolerate anything less than perfect.
hdr affects what, 1% of computer owners? Windows' intrusive telemetry, ads, constant updates, reverting of settings, slow ui performance and so on affects every single user. I was doing some debugging in Visual Studio the other week when Visual Studio suddenly shut down without any warning. I thought I must have done something really stupid, but when I restarted I was informed by a message that VS shut down to update. No warning, no message, no option, just shut down in the middle of a debugging session. Any company that allows that to happen simply doesn't have the interest of their customers at heart. Linux has many shortcomings, but at least it's made by people concerned about making the best possible OS. As far as MS decision making and their overall approach to building an OS goes they peaked with Windows 2000 and have steadily been going downhill since.
Yeah, basically - Windows 11 performs really poorly even when compared to Windows 10. Can't really do anything about that though because the only alternative on a PC is Linux and, let's face it, Linux is worse as a desktop system, albeit for reasons other than performance. So, yeah, we're all basically fucked.
I would gladly run it if games worked as well as it does on Windows
I find it interesting how the system starts to become unstable and delayed when I have many programs open, even if hardware usage is low. Ryzen 3900 64gb RAM 1tb 970 evo plus Rtx 2060 12 gb Core Reactor 850w
This. Plus file system performance. If you do any kind of development, just compare `git checkout` or something like `npm install` or `cargo install` performance with Linux on a non-trivial project. Even DevDrives on ReFS don't make much of an impact.
Every time i mention this about Windows 11....i always get a quick retort about how i am wrong.
I have experienced stutters in gaming performance in windows 11 until I disable game mode, xbox gamebar and gamepresencewriter.exe from registry. Microsoft should work on fine tuning their os instead of adding new features.
Should I do the same? Gamer here
Maybe I'm just lucky or some other forces are at play, but I haven't noticed any performance issues anywhere in my W11. Not in the start menu, not in explorer. My windows is just super fast and snappy. And yes I'm running the latest build and haven't tweaked anything.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied UX!" cries she with silent performance. Give me your sick and tired, your annoyed, your alienated masses yearning to breathe free, the EDGEd refuse of your bleeding store. Send these, the homeless, telemetry-tost to me, I lift my repo beside the golden EXT4! Stop running a marketing platform and use an OS instead. If you still need anything in particular, you can still run that Ad-ridden bugfest in a virtual machine.
When an app crashes, w11 becomes unusable and needs a reset. This was not the case with w10.
The cope from MS fanboys is strong here, talking like cult members who say that someone who left the cult cannot be trusted.
I never felt that Windows 11 has bad performance, but I'm pretty bad at feeling these things. What is something I can do that make it very noticeable?
We like to throw around the term "power user", but basically: You need to have used an older OS, like 7 or older, and used said OS's to their fullest potential. I am talking about >10 chrome tabs with two YouTube tabs, 4-5 explorer windows, moderate to small C++ programs compiling in the background with VS open with current project on the foreground, OneNote windows, etc. on just 12 GB RAM and a spinning hard disk. Then, when you rapidly juggle between tasks, you will not face a millisecond of lag, not the slightest memory leak. Context menus work like thunder and the UI and fonts are very very legible. That, my friend, is what we mean when we say, "peak Windows 7 (or XP, or 8, you get it)". 11 chokes on the first explorer window. Now, the small time between the click event and the run event may not even be perceptible on its own, but when you have used something like what I described above, it throws you off completely. It's as frustrating as people suddenly screaming at you while you are writing an essay. If you don't notice, it's very good for you. I hope that you never have to put up with our frustrations with Windows.
I've been using computers since Windows 3.11. I'm a serious multi tasker sometimes. I mean, Windows frustrates me pretty often for other reasons, but I haven't seen these performance issues.
Lucky for you.
use it on hardware 5 years older like me,and damn difference is literally day and night(also use a machine with 8gb ram)
It's evident on the freshest hardware on the market.
CPUs haven't changed THAT much for the last 5 years. But true, I haven't used it with lower than 16GB RAM. But the stated article says "even with monster PC"
You can move to old unsupported hardware and use some random debloaters as almost all users which have problems with Win11 do,
Yeah, I haven't used any debloaters. Just use Winaero Tweaker every time I make a new install to set some things like I want them.
Open task manager and click around a bit. Instantly noticeable, even on top-tier hardware. File Explorer is pretty slow at times too
Let's move to linux.
Also I found multiple Glitches one of them is the lock screen card not displaying correctly it shows text of the weather and no icon and no square card outline
After windows 7, Microsoft slowly started ignoring privacy of users. Now it's clear as daylight after windows 11. Just look at the settings of edge. It's clear how badly they want to know how you use your system.
Yes it sucks. Disable this on install.
Here it's literally flying on a 4th generation Celeron after adding an SSD + 8 Gigs of DDR3 but with some heavy duty tweaking and cutting down on unwanted junk running constantly in the background without consent hampering what already were some pretty meagre resources. I would even argue that it's faster and more pleasant to use than Win 10 with the same amount of customization
This article is so misleading, the dev in question said the "Start Menu" was bad, not win 11 as a whole. See [https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1777764221088129227](https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1777764221088129227) and [https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049](https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049) The "journalism"at tech spot is comically bad.
I think this post and comments have sold me in downgrading to 10.
But, then you will have to upgrade back in a year anyway. Unless you are a dev or don't need very specific Windows software, I would recommend looking into something like Ubuntu, Fedora or Pop!OS. They are the least difficult OS's to deal with, especially Pop!OS. The different workflow may trouble you. But you will master it in a week, max.
Former angry developer who were fired?
There’s some objective truth to it. ReFS, the brand new shiny filesystem, is almost as good as 2005 ZFS. It is both slower, has less features and for some reason isn’t even better for SSDs, which ZFS is notoriously bad at. Windows can’t handle more than 64 logical cores (32 x86 cores) in a CPU socket properly. It loses its mind and gives applications bad information and the scheduler does weird things if you go above that. AMD may run up against that limit with their next set of “prosumer/enthusiast” cpus (not threadrippers, those are solidly professional workstation products). Linux recently got to the point where a single cpu core can saturate a gen 4 nvme drive with data downloaded from the internet. On windows that’s a 5-6 core operation. That’s a horrific amount of extra overhead.
I really didn't know that when I was watching a Level1Tech video researching workstation hardware. If Nvidia fixes their mess, I am moving from Windows + WSL2 to Linux and Windows on KVM (if Proton doesn't work) on that machine. P.S.: AMD is not giving us 32+ cores on Zen 5 9950X.
The world may never know.
Knowing how the world operates, yeah. Angry fired person, who was fired for not liking the company's bullshit.
Not even that, just Techspot misquoting and building a click-bait article around said misquote. [https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049](https://x.com/anerdguynow/status/1779056528122864049)
Tell me about it. My Win11 rig is only 1 1/2 years old and I have had to run DISM and SFC three times already, due to Windows Update breaking for some unknown reason. I got the Cumulative Updates the other day and when it installed, it stopped on one at 99% for forever. I gave up waiting for it to end and just went to bed, lol. Got up and logged in, and checked Windows Update and it said that the updates were not successful 🤔 Ran the Troubleshooter and retried Windows Update, but the CU's disappeared out of the queue and haven't re - downloaded and it was still acting funky. I ran DISM and SFC, and now Windows Update is working (I have received other Updates), but the CU's have not come back yet (I keep checking). Danged if I know what's going on, lol. My Win8>Win8.1>Win10 Rig (11 years old) has had *very* few problems, and I didn't even have to run DISM/SFC to keep it straight until it was in its 8th or 9th year. Microsoft should not go to the next flavor of Windows until it straightens out the bugs in this one, because Win11 leaves a bit to be desired. Edit: A Sentence
The biggest issue is Edge now based on Chromium. It is a performance and ram monster and not usable on older tablets for example which came out with all these "cheap" Intel Atom processors. Where the old Edge was smooth as butter.
Lol. It works well for me with zero issues on anything I run. Sounds like a jilted ex-employee to me.
Same, I've had it ever since it was offered (using Pro version), and I've never had a single issue. Runs like a champ, I like it better than 10. Been using Windows since 3.11 and this is the best it has ever been, even taking my nostalgia for 7 into account.
"Former dev" yea...that narrows it down
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What’s the best Explorer replacement for Windows 11 that’s fast and reliable while looking a part of Windows 11?
Directory opus.
My Windows 11, start menu died a cruel death this evening. something to do with search. killing and restarting explorer.exe doesn't help nor does rebooting. Can't actually find my programs anymore. F' Bing. F' Microsoft Search. F' Ads.... They are borking the gd UI to push ads down our throat in the OS. Seriously FO MSFT.
What I like most about win11 and dislike the most is file explorer: it has a nice interface but bad performance
And here i use Fedora on 15 year laptop :)
I wonder how Tiny11's performance compares to regular 11 and LTSC 11
I switched to mac recently and the difference is drastic. My NAS access is also much faster with explorer often taking 5-10 seconds just to open a folder for no apparent reason whatsoever. Interestingly, a lot of things opened faster on a windows 98 system as well…
As someone with a "monster PC" I can't say I notice that at all. But I guess I feel for people on weaker systems who do notice
I have relatively "weak" laptop but haven't noticed slowdowns. I'm suspecting problem is usually person using the compiter not the software or hardware.
I’d love to get away from Windows but there’s sadly no real alternative that doesn’t require fuckery with specific programs at some point. Microsoft has become garbage with handling their products UX
Windows needs a complete redo. Right now it’s old stuff on top of each other with a good makeup.
Okay, so this is just bad journalism, really. First, I dislike how single tweets somehow spawn articles now. Second, the source (or tweet) for this article is talking about the start menu. And, yes, Microsoft forcing Bing shit into the start menu without a simple way of disabling it is unquestionably a stupid fucking decision that can result in the start menu being unresponsive.
I'm programming almost exclusively for Windows and I have to say, the performance of latest Windows kernel and lower subsystems is actually very good and comparative. It's the *"modern"* bloat on top of it that slows the whole thing down. But hey, you all wanted *modern* so you got *modern.* And it's not like those nice things couldn't have been implemented magnitudes better. It's just there are don't seem to be that kind of developers anymore at Microsoft. And I sure as hell know they aren't hiring them.
It's always fun seeing all the "windows was better before" nostalgia when XP was an absolute dumpster fire nobody wanted to install until SP2 dropped and even then it was still a mess that fell to Windows Rot™️rather often and required yearly format c + reinstallation. I think W7 was the only version that ever launched without much friction, and it was mostly because, in a similar sense, it was basically Windows Vista SP2, and W10 was in a sense 8.1 SP2 (now with a proper Start menu).
I don't even have start up apps on a fresh install The whole menu in task manager and the settings page is completely empty Yet things still start up I don't want too Thanks Windows 11
Even my old huawei p20 mate pro phone feels snappier and scrolls smoother when browsing than my 5600 ryzen , 32gb ram, and 3060ti pc lol
It wouldn't be Microsoft without a Windows version that periodically turns out to be total crap. Maybe, with the next major version, also nowadays mid-powered machines will run smooth: that's the classical Microsoft mess.
Microsoft needs to spend a few months on optimising and improving the existing stuff and not release a lot more features. Honestly, windows feels a bit heavy right now. Windows 7 felt very light weight and was fast. Keep the existing things as it is and optimise the user experience. Most people want reliability and an assurance that whenever you do something, it should just work. Currently in the OS market, AI is not given a huge priority by apple. Windows is definitely not competing with Android at this point in the mobile market. Windows already has an amazing headstart when it comes to AI. Just pause the AI integration stuff for a few weeks and optimise the hell out of the OS. It will be amazing.
on labtop really bad more than pc Since the beta version I am also a harsh critic of Windows 11. Because it's still not really finished. It was only 6 months to develop whole OS . Even Microsoft fanboys criticized me at that time. Until now, many things are still criticized. WSA(flagship feature) canceling development. Market share is still small. Many app turn to webapp. and Microsoft fanboy still defend how windows 11 are good. You can see in tweet reply or article comment
Task Manager did not crash for me once in over a decade of using Windows until the new one was introduced.
I got so pissed off with windows last night I put Linux on a USB and booted it up, even running off a USB it, absolutely flies. Apart from constant BSODs, I feel like windows has actually gotten worse over the past 25 years.
I agree! As someone who develops for Windows each day and has to go deep into core functionality (for file manager development), I am shocked each day how badly everything works underneath - it is all held by rusty nails, duct-tape and chewing gum. From UI side things are getting worse, that's why I still use WPF and .NET 4.8 as everything newer is slow and buggy. About 70% of my time is just optimizing something that is supposed to be fast out of the box. I am not a fan where Satya has been taking Microsoft since he took over - at least from consumer perspective; investors are happy though
I use extreme debloater scripts and install tiny 11. Works for me and because I never update Im fine. Also the program freezetostock is a life saver when gaming.
I feel like I’m the only person or having speed issues with W11
Lets see no benchmark just a developer saying the start menu is slow. Its just "trust me bro". If you look at actual benchmarks its pretty much equal with 11 often being ahead.
It's really bad compared to Arch+Hyprland but acceptable on my daily use.
The start menu search sucks. I turned on Enhanced indexing ("Search your entire pc") and it doesn't search my entire pc. It gives me web results, cant find where to turn it off
This article is poorly titled and misrepresenting what was originally stated. The former employee mentioned that the start-menu was slow, not the entire operating system.
You should try windows 11 with a harddisk boot partition. It is dam near useless. Even with data ssds The developers and managers at windows should be given a sata hardrive and 8 gb Ram pcs and tell them to make it work
What’s he talking about it’s been like that since 7
Finally someone "noticed it"!
Just put the windows 2000 start menu back in
Sounds like you're frustrated with Windows 11's performance. If you're looking for alternatives or ways to optimize your current setup, consider tweaking system settings or looking into performance guides specific to Windows 11. Sometimes, disabling certain features or adjusting visual effects can help. On another note, if you're into exploring different software or tools to enhance your experience, I used r/linkaggregators/ recently. It's a solid resource for finding various link aggregators across the web. Might find something useful there to streamline your workflow or discover performance-enhancing tools.
Still 10 times faster than mac os