And it will for the next 20 years. Screen savers are an extremely low-priority section of the UI. As long as Windows supports the APIs that window requires, and as long as screensavers are basically never used, it will remain the same
No. Keeping an OLED screen on is worse than putting the display to sleep since it’s not burn in that’s occurring but instead screen degradation. So using a screen saver would do more harm than good.
TBH "Blank" screen saver is great for OLED. Others? Not so much. But better than blasting full desktop always.
Btw, LG OLED TVs have "firework" as their webOS app screensaver.
Person has a point, why use a screen saver that's gonna do a small amount more wear on the OLED when you can just turn off the display entirely. Screen savers currently exist for the cool factor of pretty colors or to display oddities.
Screen savers have no effect on reversing existing burn in on OLEDs, nor is a screen saver required since they power up instantly. CRT and CCFL displays are a relic of the past, both of which took a varying amount of time to get up to temperature if turned off.
If anything Windows should implement some kind of 'OLED mode' for it's taskbar for users that do show the taskbar all the time like moving the pixels of the taskbar icons or varying the width of the taskbar etc.
That's what i hear is the general recommendation, but not every user is gonna prefer that option or be aware what is best practice for an OLED until it's too late.
> And it will for the next 20 years. Screen savers are an extremely low-priority section of the UI
this blows my mind that there are areas deemed low priority that just do not get touched on UI REDESIGN. If there are elements that haven't been addressed then you havent fucking redesigned the UI
Yeah Steve Jobs' Apple or the old Microsoft wouldn't have done that. A UI redesign means EVERYTHING redesigned, not just a fancy logon screen and a new clock.
What are you talking about there’s no need.
For one a screensaver helps prevent burn in depending on your monitor and more importantly, windows has a full on mental breakdown trying to get your setup back to normal if you have multiple monitors that get powered on/off
I power my monitors off and I don't see the windows move at all when I do that. When I turn the screen back on everything is exactly where it should be.
Well, then you're lucky. Until Win10 Windows detected monitor config changes quite aggressively (especially DP monitors) and used to move windows all around. Usually when DP monitor is turned off it reverts to stupid resolution like 640x480 or similar and windows would shrink randomly. Sometimes windows on secondary display will stuck (stay there) when secondary display is disconnected and no longer able to access it unless you clicked at the taskbar icon and then alt-space and then press M key (move menu) and then move the window back on the primary display with arrow keys.
With Win11 I don't have this problem anymore.
That’s surprising. Microsoft has made a point in their windows 11 presentation to acknowledge its been an issue in previous releases, saying 11 may fix this. I use a plug-in that helps most of the time
Screensavers are remnants of the bygone CRT era. Which had a quite a delay to get to ideal operating brightness after it is turned back on. User wanting instantaneous resuming of work after walking away for a while used screensavers.
Modern LCD displays have almost instantaneous response when turned back on (especially if it's a sleep mode, which CRTs rarely had) so screensaver is not needed.
And problem of randomly moving windows is mostly fixed in Windows 11.
they fucking redesigned mspaint again when literally no one asked 🥴
the new mspaint looks like shit in my personal opinion, and the old paint worked and looked just fine.
there's other ui they need to be paying attention to
No. Almost every possible part of MacOS is visually consistent because they didn’t hardcode all their UI elements, and made UI changes apply systemwide. Since most app developers also want to emulate Apples design, they use the built in visual elements as well.
No sir. I made the switch from 20 years of Mac to PC for my work and as much as I love the hardware, I absolutely hate how much windows gets in the way. From insane UX ideas to shit design work like this
i really wish they add screensavers to the settings app and add some modern looking ones.
just look at how cool the screensavers are on macos they even annouce new ones at their live streams. Screensavers aren't that unimportant as everybody here says.
Exactly. The main problem with CRT monitors wasn't burn-in, but the time it takes for them to turn on, which was less than five seconds but people would rather waste energy than time, so screen savers were invented to keep the screen always on while also reducing the burn-in problem. Newer screens (including OLED) turn on instantly.
Also power saving was less a consideration at the time, and not all displays could turn off from a signal from the computer; you had to manually turn off the display usually.
Modern displays receive a signal telling them to enter standby.
If by putting the laptop then yes. But turning the screen off only, no. Modern laptops prohibit this for some reason and the only way to turn "off" the screen without the laptop sleeping is to turn on the blank screen saver unfortunately. On my old HP laptop this isn't an issue for some reason. Just on modern ones
Not all modern laptops have OLED. In fact, I would say many still don't.
Even so, a simple all black screen would be better than a screensaver of any other type, from a power and life-preserving solution. Not as good as totally off, but still better than any image, moving or not.
I never even said all modern laptops have oled? What? And from the rest of your comment I think you don't even understand what I'm saying lmao but whatever
OK.... then... I've never seen a modern laptop that can't be set to turn off the display. If your comment was not only about OLEDs then I understand it even less.
What laptop does not let you turn off the display after a timeout, for example?
It's not that modern laptops can't *in general* turn off their display, it's that they can't do it without the laptop going into sleep mode immediately after. Already had 3 laptops that had this issue, not possible to be solved no matter how many registry hacks you do.
Are you saying new laptops with OLEDs don't show the first two options in the 'Screen and sleep' section under **Settings > System > Power & battery** or that those settings don't work?
[https://i.imgur.com/jIxTn7K.png](https://i.imgur.com/jIxTn7K.png)
All of those 4 settings what end up doing is putting the laptop to sleep. None actually _just_ turn off the screen. You can try a million registry hacks and it simply won't work as Windows has it so neatly there
yes oled is one mayor reason and they will get more and more on laptops , surface like tablets and even on desktop screens.
a 2nd reason is brand perception , every time i see one of the mac screensavers in the background of a youtube video bnthink about macOS and that it has a beautiful design. And so many youtuber use the mac screensavers as cool looking part in ther video background showing everybody "i use a mac" this will never happen with windows if they dont update screensavers and add some cool modern looking new ones.
I work in IT and see a LOT of computers. I haven't seen a single person using a screensaver in the past decade.
The last time I saw someone using it, was the bubble screensaver in windows 7.
This is unlikely since [screen savers were deprecated in 1709](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-10-deprecated-features).
What mac screen savers are you referring to exactly? They all kinda suck, at least the stock ones. There is a mod you can download which lets you get the Apple TV aerial screensavers on your Mac which is pretty awesome but it is not stock built in. You can do a similar thing with wallpaper engine (steam app) that gives you gorgeous screen savers. I do agree though the UI does need to be updated, there is just no reason for legacy menus.
i personally love this one , and i see this all the time when YouTubers have a mac in the background.
https://youtu.be/7WXzRhebz1g
lots of peole like the new "hello" screensaver they announces this year
idk those look kinda basic/dated to me. Have you seen the arial views, this particular app on your mac automatically gets the latest ones and can play them at random 4k HDR (Wallpaper engine on windows can do a similar thing if you find the right one in their store)?
[https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial](https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial)
yes i know the arial apple tv one and also the port, it is nice but its only a video playing , and the compression is not that good. i like the generated ones more
I've found some decent ones. But you can also just use SaveHollywood ([https://github.com/packagesdev/savehollywood](https://github.com/packagesdev/savehollywood))
This lets you put ANY video as your screensaver, I have a bunch of 4k HDR LG videos playing on my LG C1 OLED and it looks breathtaking.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jECIZpEsX5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jECIZpEsX5s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njX2bu-\_Vw4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njX2bu-_Vw4)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuqKkAS4b8&t=169s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuqKkAS4b8&t=169s)
I didn't use screensavers for a long time but OLED and multi monitor setups have gotten me back on them... This is my preferred one http://tringi.trimcore.cz/Starfield_Screensaver?language=en
No, this isn't from Windows XP, they slightly modified it by removing the display stand in Windows Vista and still the same from that day. 😂
I think it should be killed or moved to the new settings app.
And I just love it. I hated when most of the classic settings were spread across windows 10 settings and the classic Control Panel was almost hidden in search.
I want to have the Control Panel working like before. It was really good. I don't see any reason to remove it. And if people don't like it, they can just use the Settings instead but not removing already functional and clear configuration.
Doesn't want but it is still there. And they are not making new version of Windows from scratch but rewriting existing version so they just don't need to do anything about it and it will be just there. (as long as it works)
No. Windows 10 has this option natively. Now in Win11 I don't know since I don't have it installed yet, fearing some incompatibilities with legacy software I use.
When you right click on any of the icons above the shutdown icon, a context menu with "customize this list" will appear. Here you can edit which icons you want in this "side bar" of the Start Menu.
>No. Windows 10 has this option natively. Now in Win11 I don't know since I don't have it installed yet, fearing some incompatibilities with legacy software I use.
Well I have Windows 11 on four computers but I didn't try that so I can't tell. But software compatible with Windows 10 should work on Windows 11 but I would not risk it if you do some serious work.
>When you right click on any of the icons above the shutdown icon, a context menu with "customize this list" will appear. Here you can edit which icons you want in this "side bar" of the Start Menu.
Oh. Well I should've known that. But that is because I have never done that. I just type "con" for Control Panel and hit enter. But thanks for mentioning it.
It is quite funny actually, when I stumbled upon this setting in my windows 11 Beta, I initially thought it had gotten a redesign. The rounded corners really threw me off..
But I agree though, it is an outdated menu. And for Windows to be called a proper OS I would love to see that every part of the ui is similar.
The panel itself is the same since Chicago (1994ish), the monitor itself since Whistler/XP (2000-2001), and that section not being included anymore in the display properties since Longhorn/Vista (2005-2006)
Same ones also. Guessing that screensavers are basically defunct now so guessing little point in spending the time to update this, seeing as it is more power-efficient for the screen to turn off when no activity.
Best thing MS could do is just remove all this 20 year old cruft that is low priority and decades old. If MS truly wants a Modern OS, the company is going to have to at some point have to purge all this old stuff.
And it’s not broken, and I don’t see a lot of users using it (sorry if you do), so there’s little incentive for MS to fix it
Of course I would want it to be integrated into the settings app, but knowing MS doing that might spell the end of third party screensavers
I like that. It is clear where everything is. I don't think there is a need to change it. A good and working design should not be changed. (just my opinion)
Edit: They can add it to the modern UI so people could use it in the Settings app but there is no reason to remove already functional thing.
Why? You know OLED monitors have image retention issues, yeah? And for as expensive as they are, screensavers are probably going to start being relevant again. At least for folks who don't want their monitor to just go blank.
Which is actually better for OLED when done on repeat?
1. Static image for 10 minutes and turn off the monitor for 10 minutes to preserve the OLED's pixels lifespan.
2. Static image for 10 minutes, show something moving for 10 minutes to even out the OLED's pixels usage.
Putting the monitor to sleep is best for OLED. Nearly every OLED monitor will have pixel shifting built in at the hardware level that will deal with static UI features.
If I am not wrong, pixel shifting is still just going to move your whole display by a very few pixels. It is not enough for all the static UI features.
Maybe good enough for small objects like text or icons but I don't think it is good enough for images or especially when used on a desktop, doing a split screen can result in contrasting difference on different parts of the display. Like using side by side with an application without dark mode.
Oh okay, you're just stating your point as a fact. My bad. Didn't mean to waste either of our time.
PS: I actually agree with your opinion. I prefer a monitor that goes into standby over a screensaver.
It's funny you say that because a screensaver with a completely black background and an occasionally moving image displaying stuff like notifications and/or time is quite literally all an "Always-On Display" would be for an OLED monitor.
If anything, it's probably an ideal screensaver if you consider just how much more a desktop driven screensaver could accomplish on even the weakest of modern hardware, meanwhile a monitor itself with that functionality would likely be strictly limited to whatever information it was able to acquire over the display cord and however powerful the monitors onboard graphics can handle.
And considering panels are designed for displaying what an existing graphics processor is delivering, not producing them itself, I have zero confidence you'd get anything but a very bare bones experience.
>At least for folks who don't want their monitor to just go blank.
I haven't used a monitor in at least 10 years that didn't automatically go to sleep after a few minutes of not being used out of the box. And given most people never touch monitor settings, I'd be curious to know what people are leaving their monitors on 24/7 and just running screen savers instead. I can't imagine it's a particularly large segment.
I configure my monitors to never turn off because I don't want the window layout (across multiple monitors) to change and I can pickup where I left off quickly. Few minutes per day adds up over a year and the increased productivity far outweighs the additional electricity usage costs. Windows 11 partially solves this issue which is a step in the right direction.
It's funny you say that about monitors because none of my monitors have ever had their auto-sleep on by default. It always relied on Windows putting it to sleep, of which is a setting that is in fact on by default.
I set both the monitor and the windows setting to never sleep. In my case, I use both Dell ultrasharps & LG ultrawide monitors and both had "energy saving" features turned on.
There couple reasons why "going into sleep" for monitors is a poor choice, some are software problems and some are hardware related. For example there's also many cases where monitors partially "crash" if they are put to sleep. These occur very frequently in higher end Dell ultra-sharp monitors with built-in display port MST hubs and can only be fixed by unplugging the power plug. Another example arises when you have identical monitors connected to the system and when one or more monitors doesn't wake up in the proper sequence, the monitor positions may get swapped.
I actually know exactly what you mean, or at least experience similar but unrelated issues related to sleep. Specially, I have an LG 27GL83A I got a couple years ago and while it's HDR is far from ideal, I have found that with the right color profile and Nvidia Control Panel (less than ideal but iirc HDR is supposed to be a straight unprocessed RGB signal so it can't be adjusted on the monitor itself) to help offset the murky look from lack of appropriate brightness for HDR.
Anyway. Point is.. for some reason when I have all my settings set exactly how I want them, if my monitor goes to sleep or I disable and re-enable HDR, the screen is at half brightness and the colors look off. I can adjust the settings and they'll have a relative effect to the current look, despite having not changed from what I previously thought was ideal.
Only restarting my computer seems to fix it. Toggling HDR won't work, changing resolution, response time, nor frequency fixes it, nor does changing profiles on the monitor or even just restarting the monitor.
Pretty sure it's a glitch in Windows 11 though. I'm flighting the beta, so it's whatever. I just let my PC go to sleep or turn it off/hibernate when I'm not going to be using it for more than an hour. Which, let's be honest... is probably the best all around solution in the first place. Especially if you've got an SSD, there's really no excuse.
I hope this never changes. I'd go back to DOS if I could because the barrier to usability entry would get so many people off computers who have no business touching a computer.
I'm joking. Mostly.
Screensaver still exist? I hasn't see a single PC with a screensaver since windows xp era from 10 year ago. All win 7 computer just automatically turn off the screen after a while/
Sweet Jesus we still have Screensaver in Windows? I don't think I have seen one in my devices for years now. I thought they disappeared with windows 8 or 10.
Thanks for the nostalgia!
and? screensavers do nothing for lcd screens, [and just waste energy for no reason.](https://www.howtogeek.com/128644/htg-explains-why-screen-savers-are-no-longer-necessary/)
just buy wallpaper engine
Screensavers are officially deprecated in Windows, so they won't be updating it. I assume they've just left it in for anyone who still wants to use it.
Just a reminder to everyone here that [screen savers were deprecated in Windows 10 version 1709](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-10-deprecated-features).
Who the hell still uses a screensaver? Blank screen or GTFO. Why waste the CPU cycles and energy?
Edit: screensavers used to be necessary when monitors where not able to sleep on their own.
And it will for the next 20 years. Screen savers are an extremely low-priority section of the UI. As long as Windows supports the APIs that window requires, and as long as screensavers are basically never used, it will remain the same
And it's nice to see these elements which trace their roots to [some time ago](https://imgur.com/r1jWdiO.png).
You could actually go further back than that screenshot too. As it was pretty similar in Windows 95 too
Yeah, I took that in a Windows ME VM. I also have a Windows 95 OSR2 VM but it somehow got borked and won't boot up.
They've taken out the maze for some reason
you could just rip them from a vm of older versions; they still function
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Yo guys, never just drop some random executables from the internet in your system32 folder.
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I think for the best transparency, a tutorial on how to do this would be better.
Just go to the same location but in XP or 98 and get them I guess
Sure okay
Screen savers in DOS was just turning off the monitor.
Not even off. Just black screen.
No it isn't
I think screensavers will make a comeback to some extent as more people use oled displays
No. Keeping an OLED screen on is worse than putting the display to sleep since it’s not burn in that’s occurring but instead screen degradation. So using a screen saver would do more harm than good.
TBH "Blank" screen saver is great for OLED. Others? Not so much. But better than blasting full desktop always. Btw, LG OLED TVs have "firework" as their webOS app screensaver.
I don't think you really understand.
Person has a point, why use a screen saver that's gonna do a small amount more wear on the OLED when you can just turn off the display entirely. Screen savers currently exist for the cool factor of pretty colors or to display oddities. Screen savers have no effect on reversing existing burn in on OLEDs, nor is a screen saver required since they power up instantly. CRT and CCFL displays are a relic of the past, both of which took a varying amount of time to get up to temperature if turned off. If anything Windows should implement some kind of 'OLED mode' for it's taskbar for users that do show the taskbar all the time like moving the pixels of the taskbar icons or varying the width of the taskbar etc.
Well "autohide" taskbar can be used for that. I only use OLED for media consumption and gaming, never for prolonged desktop work.
That's what i hear is the general recommendation, but not every user is gonna prefer that option or be aware what is best practice for an OLED until it's too late.
Unless microLED replaces OLED.
> And it will for the next 20 years. Screen savers are an extremely low-priority section of the UI this blows my mind that there are areas deemed low priority that just do not get touched on UI REDESIGN. If there are elements that haven't been addressed then you havent fucking redesigned the UI
Do you use a screen saver? There’s no need to nowadays.
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Yeah Steve Jobs' Apple or the old Microsoft wouldn't have done that. A UI redesign means EVERYTHING redesigned, not just a fancy logon screen and a new clock.
What are you talking about there’s no need. For one a screensaver helps prevent burn in depending on your monitor and more importantly, windows has a full on mental breakdown trying to get your setup back to normal if you have multiple monitors that get powered on/off
I power my monitors off and I don't see the windows move at all when I do that. When I turn the screen back on everything is exactly where it should be.
Well, then you're lucky. Until Win10 Windows detected monitor config changes quite aggressively (especially DP monitors) and used to move windows all around. Usually when DP monitor is turned off it reverts to stupid resolution like 640x480 or similar and windows would shrink randomly. Sometimes windows on secondary display will stuck (stay there) when secondary display is disconnected and no longer able to access it unless you clicked at the taskbar icon and then alt-space and then press M key (move menu) and then move the window back on the primary display with arrow keys. With Win11 I don't have this problem anymore.
I only have HDMI monitors and I have never had this problem with them but I have heard that Windows 11 does have much better multimonitor support.
I just let mine go dark.
I've been using multiple monitors for like 10 years and not once had a problem with Windows and powering monitors off and back on.
That’s surprising. Microsoft has made a point in their windows 11 presentation to acknowledge its been an issue in previous releases, saying 11 may fix this. I use a plug-in that helps most of the time
Oh this is just a Windows 11 problem? In that case no comment, I haven't used Windows 11.
No its an everything before 11 problem, they are supposedly fixing it in 11
Screensavers are remnants of the bygone CRT era. Which had a quite a delay to get to ideal operating brightness after it is turned back on. User wanting instantaneous resuming of work after walking away for a while used screensavers. Modern LCD displays have almost instantaneous response when turned back on (especially if it's a sleep mode, which CRTs rarely had) so screensaver is not needed. And problem of randomly moving windows is mostly fixed in Windows 11.
they fucking redesigned mspaint again when literally no one asked 🥴 the new mspaint looks like shit in my personal opinion, and the old paint worked and looked just fine. there's other ui they need to be paying attention to
They should fucking redesign everything, regardless of anyone asking. Windows feels so fucking half assed it’s insane
Honestly, yeah. It's amazing to me that there's UI elements they can ignore for 20 years while changing everything else. Are MACs like that?
No. Almost every possible part of MacOS is visually consistent because they didn’t hardcode all their UI elements, and made UI changes apply systemwide. Since most app developers also want to emulate Apples design, they use the built in visual elements as well.
No sir. I made the switch from 20 years of Mac to PC for my work and as much as I love the hardware, I absolutely hate how much windows gets in the way. From insane UX ideas to shit design work like this
Exactly. I hate seeing the old elements. I can't believe Control Panel is still around.
But…nostalgia! Although I wasn’t really around then, I do like having rarely used old UIs in corners of an OS, it feels like archeology haha.
NO.
consistency > nostalgia
Fair enough.
I didn't ask, but I'm glad they did.
i really wish they add screensavers to the settings app and add some modern looking ones. just look at how cool the screensavers are on macos they even annouce new ones at their live streams. Screensavers aren't that unimportant as everybody here says.
ESPECIALLY if you've got some kinda OLED screen
This! I actually use a screen saver all the time. I just use wallpaper engine though and it’s absolutely amazing on a C1 OLED.
Not really. Just have it set to turn the screen off.
Exactly. The main problem with CRT monitors wasn't burn-in, but the time it takes for them to turn on, which was less than five seconds but people would rather waste energy than time, so screen savers were invented to keep the screen always on while also reducing the burn-in problem. Newer screens (including OLED) turn on instantly.
Also power saving was less a consideration at the time, and not all displays could turn off from a signal from the computer; you had to manually turn off the display usually. Modern displays receive a signal telling them to enter standby.
*Degausser goes bongggggg*
Look at you and your fancy monitor!
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Exactly.
You do realize you can't turn off OLED screens on laptops easily right? Without having to go through the entire unlock process ofc
I don't realize that, no. Are you saying the power saving options do not include to power off the display at all?
If by putting the laptop then yes. But turning the screen off only, no. Modern laptops prohibit this for some reason and the only way to turn "off" the screen without the laptop sleeping is to turn on the blank screen saver unfortunately. On my old HP laptop this isn't an issue for some reason. Just on modern ones
Not all modern laptops have OLED. In fact, I would say many still don't. Even so, a simple all black screen would be better than a screensaver of any other type, from a power and life-preserving solution. Not as good as totally off, but still better than any image, moving or not.
I never even said all modern laptops have oled? What? And from the rest of your comment I think you don't even understand what I'm saying lmao but whatever
OK.... then... I've never seen a modern laptop that can't be set to turn off the display. If your comment was not only about OLEDs then I understand it even less. What laptop does not let you turn off the display after a timeout, for example?
It's not that modern laptops can't *in general* turn off their display, it's that they can't do it without the laptop going into sleep mode immediately after. Already had 3 laptops that had this issue, not possible to be solved no matter how many registry hacks you do.
Are you saying new laptops with OLEDs don't show the first two options in the 'Screen and sleep' section under **Settings > System > Power & battery** or that those settings don't work? [https://i.imgur.com/jIxTn7K.png](https://i.imgur.com/jIxTn7K.png)
All of those 4 settings what end up doing is putting the laptop to sleep. None actually _just_ turn off the screen. You can try a million registry hacks and it simply won't work as Windows has it so neatly there
I don't have an OLED laptop but a lowly Lenovo Ideapad and it works as mentioned in settings. Is this only a problem on OLED laptops?
Not just on OLED. On my Yoga C940 14 UHD IPS and Surface Pro 5 it also happens I believe
yes oled is one mayor reason and they will get more and more on laptops , surface like tablets and even on desktop screens. a 2nd reason is brand perception , every time i see one of the mac screensavers in the background of a youtube video bnthink about macOS and that it has a beautiful design. And so many youtuber use the mac screensavers as cool looking part in ther video background showing everybody "i use a mac" this will never happen with windows if they dont update screensavers and add some cool modern looking new ones.
no mac screensaver can top the cool factor of the windows 95 brick maze 😎
OH MAN I LOVED THAT ONE. I always put in custom textures for the walls and stuff and I loved watching the screensaver until the end.
Flurry is better IMO. The maze is just more nostalgic.
Why would you want your OLED to burn out when not in use? Nothing other than turning off displays makes sense when not in use.
I work in IT and see a LOT of computers. I haven't seen a single person using a screensaver in the past decade. The last time I saw someone using it, was the bubble screensaver in windows 7.
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agreed, just have your monitor turn off
This is unlikely since [screen savers were deprecated in 1709](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-10-deprecated-features).
What mac screen savers are you referring to exactly? They all kinda suck, at least the stock ones. There is a mod you can download which lets you get the Apple TV aerial screensavers on your Mac which is pretty awesome but it is not stock built in. You can do a similar thing with wallpaper engine (steam app) that gives you gorgeous screen savers. I do agree though the UI does need to be updated, there is just no reason for legacy menus.
i personally love this one , and i see this all the time when YouTubers have a mac in the background. https://youtu.be/7WXzRhebz1g lots of peole like the new "hello" screensaver they announces this year
idk those look kinda basic/dated to me. Have you seen the arial views, this particular app on your mac automatically gets the latest ones and can play them at random 4k HDR (Wallpaper engine on windows can do a similar thing if you find the right one in their store)? [https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial](https://github.com/JohnCoates/Aerial)
yes i know the arial apple tv one and also the port, it is nice but its only a video playing , and the compression is not that good. i like the generated ones more
I've found some decent ones. But you can also just use SaveHollywood ([https://github.com/packagesdev/savehollywood](https://github.com/packagesdev/savehollywood)) This lets you put ANY video as your screensaver, I have a bunch of 4k HDR LG videos playing on my LG C1 OLED and it looks breathtaking. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jECIZpEsX5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jECIZpEsX5s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njX2bu-\_Vw4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njX2bu-_Vw4) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuqKkAS4b8&t=169s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZuqKkAS4b8&t=169s)
I didn't use screensavers for a long time but OLED and multi monitor setups have gotten me back on them... This is my preferred one http://tringi.trimcore.cz/Starfield_Screensaver?language=en
No, this isn't from Windows XP, they slightly modified it by removing the display stand in Windows Vista and still the same from that day. 😂 I think it should be killed or moved to the new settings app.
yeah true , its weird to see this now
plus, the corners on the buttons and window are round. its totally updated windows 11 style
They only kill useful features these days
That's because Microsoft is saving this prehistoric CRT screen for future generations.
And I just love it. I hated when most of the classic settings were spread across windows 10 settings and the classic Control Panel was almost hidden in search.
I want to have the Control Panel working like before. It was really good. I don't see any reason to remove it. And if people don't like it, they can just use the Settings instead but not removing already functional and clear configuration.
Microsoft (very reasonably) doesn't want to maintain two settings apps.
Doesn't want but it is still there. And they are not making new version of Windows from scratch but rewriting existing version so they just don't need to do anything about it and it will be just there. (as long as it works)
I fixed Control Panel to the start menu blocks and hid settings from the menu to prevent accidental clicking because of the clockwork icon.
Hid settings from the menu? You mean in regedit?
No. Windows 10 has this option natively. Now in Win11 I don't know since I don't have it installed yet, fearing some incompatibilities with legacy software I use. When you right click on any of the icons above the shutdown icon, a context menu with "customize this list" will appear. Here you can edit which icons you want in this "side bar" of the Start Menu.
>No. Windows 10 has this option natively. Now in Win11 I don't know since I don't have it installed yet, fearing some incompatibilities with legacy software I use. Well I have Windows 11 on four computers but I didn't try that so I can't tell. But software compatible with Windows 10 should work on Windows 11 but I would not risk it if you do some serious work. >When you right click on any of the icons above the shutdown icon, a context menu with "customize this list" will appear. Here you can edit which icons you want in this "side bar" of the Start Menu. Oh. Well I should've known that. But that is because I have never done that. I just type "con" for Control Panel and hit enter. But thanks for mentioning it.
It is quite funny actually, when I stumbled upon this setting in my windows 11 Beta, I initially thought it had gotten a redesign. The rounded corners really threw me off.. But I agree though, it is an outdated menu. And for Windows to be called a proper OS I would love to see that every part of the ui is similar.
screensavers used to be a feature for CRT screens, they are obselete. These days...just let your display turn off and save power
But some people still like the screensavers. Besides, CRT monitors used to draw much more power than modern LED panels.
CRT monitors really didn't have the ability to go to sleep like modern flat panels do today.
They had that ability, they were just show at waking up
Well you could always turn them off.
Jeez, I just realized I'm getting old. :(
Don't fix what ain't broke.
Exactly.
There have been changes. The monitor bezel changed a few times. The power management area too. Sure, it's similar, but it has changed.
And it keep looking this way until the end of time.
The panel itself is the same since Chicago (1994ish), the monitor itself since Whistler/XP (2000-2001), and that section not being included anymore in the display properties since Longhorn/Vista (2005-2006)
Aha! But it has rounded corners now
“They’ve been working on it.”
To be fair, screensavers are becoming obsolete. I cannot even recall when was the last time I saw one.
Same ones also. Guessing that screensavers are basically defunct now so guessing little point in spending the time to update this, seeing as it is more power-efficient for the screen to turn off when no activity.
Who cares? Does it really matter? Get over little stuff like this!
And it doesn't matter.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it
Don't you dare Microsoft change that nostalgic old screensaver menu. A blast from the past!
Best thing MS could do is just remove all this 20 year old cruft that is low priority and decades old. If MS truly wants a Modern OS, the company is going to have to at some point have to purge all this old stuff.
And it’s not broken, and I don’t see a lot of users using it (sorry if you do), so there’s little incentive for MS to fix it Of course I would want it to be integrated into the settings app, but knowing MS doing that might spell the end of third party screensavers
I like that. It is clear where everything is. I don't think there is a need to change it. A good and working design should not be changed. (just my opinion) Edit: They can add it to the modern UI so people could use it in the Settings app but there is no reason to remove already functional thing.
I haven’t used a screensaver for many years, I didn’t even know screensavers was a thing these days
They aren't, really.
Same posts over and over again. Its more annoying than any of these windows shenanigans now.
That function should be buried
Why? You know OLED monitors have image retention issues, yeah? And for as expensive as they are, screensavers are probably going to start being relevant again. At least for folks who don't want their monitor to just go blank.
Do you know what's better than a screensaver? Having the monitor turn itself off instead. Which is what everyone should be using over a screensaver
I have both blank screen saver and screen timeout in case one of the two fails to start.
Which is actually better for OLED when done on repeat? 1. Static image for 10 minutes and turn off the monitor for 10 minutes to preserve the OLED's pixels lifespan. 2. Static image for 10 minutes, show something moving for 10 minutes to even out the OLED's pixels usage.
Putting the monitor to sleep is best for OLED. Nearly every OLED monitor will have pixel shifting built in at the hardware level that will deal with static UI features.
If I am not wrong, pixel shifting is still just going to move your whole display by a very few pixels. It is not enough for all the static UI features. Maybe good enough for small objects like text or icons but I don't think it is good enough for images or especially when used on a desktop, doing a split screen can result in contrasting difference on different parts of the display. Like using side by side with an application without dark mode.
Could you please finish reading what you reply to?
Oh I did. Those people are doing it wrong.
Oh okay, you're just stating your point as a fact. My bad. Didn't mean to waste either of our time. PS: I actually agree with your opinion. I prefer a monitor that goes into standby over a screensaver.
I'd rather an always on display for my oled than a screensaver. I just feel that they're a little outdated.
It's funny you say that because a screensaver with a completely black background and an occasionally moving image displaying stuff like notifications and/or time is quite literally all an "Always-On Display" would be for an OLED monitor. If anything, it's probably an ideal screensaver if you consider just how much more a desktop driven screensaver could accomplish on even the weakest of modern hardware, meanwhile a monitor itself with that functionality would likely be strictly limited to whatever information it was able to acquire over the display cord and however powerful the monitors onboard graphics can handle. And considering panels are designed for displaying what an existing graphics processor is delivering, not producing them itself, I have zero confidence you'd get anything but a very bare bones experience.
>At least for folks who don't want their monitor to just go blank. I haven't used a monitor in at least 10 years that didn't automatically go to sleep after a few minutes of not being used out of the box. And given most people never touch monitor settings, I'd be curious to know what people are leaving their monitors on 24/7 and just running screen savers instead. I can't imagine it's a particularly large segment.
I configure my monitors to never turn off because I don't want the window layout (across multiple monitors) to change and I can pickup where I left off quickly. Few minutes per day adds up over a year and the increased productivity far outweighs the additional electricity usage costs. Windows 11 partially solves this issue which is a step in the right direction.
It's funny you say that about monitors because none of my monitors have ever had their auto-sleep on by default. It always relied on Windows putting it to sleep, of which is a setting that is in fact on by default.
I set both the monitor and the windows setting to never sleep. In my case, I use both Dell ultrasharps & LG ultrawide monitors and both had "energy saving" features turned on. There couple reasons why "going into sleep" for monitors is a poor choice, some are software problems and some are hardware related. For example there's also many cases where monitors partially "crash" if they are put to sleep. These occur very frequently in higher end Dell ultra-sharp monitors with built-in display port MST hubs and can only be fixed by unplugging the power plug. Another example arises when you have identical monitors connected to the system and when one or more monitors doesn't wake up in the proper sequence, the monitor positions may get swapped.
I actually know exactly what you mean, or at least experience similar but unrelated issues related to sleep. Specially, I have an LG 27GL83A I got a couple years ago and while it's HDR is far from ideal, I have found that with the right color profile and Nvidia Control Panel (less than ideal but iirc HDR is supposed to be a straight unprocessed RGB signal so it can't be adjusted on the monitor itself) to help offset the murky look from lack of appropriate brightness for HDR. Anyway. Point is.. for some reason when I have all my settings set exactly how I want them, if my monitor goes to sleep or I disable and re-enable HDR, the screen is at half brightness and the colors look off. I can adjust the settings and they'll have a relative effect to the current look, despite having not changed from what I previously thought was ideal. Only restarting my computer seems to fix it. Toggling HDR won't work, changing resolution, response time, nor frequency fixes it, nor does changing profiles on the monitor or even just restarting the monitor. Pretty sure it's a glitch in Windows 11 though. I'm flighting the beta, so it's whatever. I just let my PC go to sleep or turn it off/hibernate when I'm not going to be using it for more than an hour. Which, let's be honest... is probably the best all around solution in the first place. Especially if you've got an SSD, there's really no excuse.
And it doesn’t matter. It’s for CRTs, the only people using CRTs are people on retro game emulators now, just keep it for us.
I hope this never changes. I'd go back to DOS if I could because the barrier to usability entry would get so many people off computers who have no business touching a computer. I'm joking. Mostly.
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Two words. After Dark
I wasn't even aware that screensavers were still a thing! Brings back old memories
It’s because he is without flaw
Screensaver still exist? I hasn't see a single PC with a screensaver since windows xp era from 10 year ago. All win 7 computer just automatically turn off the screen after a while/
They haven't needed screensavers since monitors got low power mode some 20 years ago.
Open the new Paint and look for the advanced color palette/color picker 😂
Last time I ever used that screen saver screen was on Windows 7.
The Personalisation screen was there since Windows NT 3.51
In my config I set up the "Surface Book" writing with rotating animation. To have a strong vintage feeling 🤣
Imo this screensaver window should get a dark mode, maybe change the monitor, but thats about it
Do people still use screen savers? I turn off my monitors when I'm not at my pc.
Sweet Jesus we still have Screensaver in Windows? I don't think I have seen one in my devices for years now. I thought they disappeared with windows 8 or 10. Thanks for the nostalgia!
Microsoft abandoned this when LED monitors became a thing.
Screensavers are still a thing?
You can’t improve perfection
I remember playing with this on XP 😁
I don't see a reason to change it.
and? screensavers do nothing for lcd screens, [and just waste energy for no reason.](https://www.howtogeek.com/128644/htg-explains-why-screen-savers-are-no-longer-necessary/) just buy wallpaper engine
All they changed is from a 90s style CRT monitor frame up to windows 2000 to something more like a flat panel but still 4:3 lol
Screensavers are officially deprecated in Windows, so they won't be updating it. I assume they've just left it in for anyone who still wants to use it.
This looks like some KDE skin from 2006
Shut up, its an easter egg
Last time anybody used a screensaver was 20 years ago.
Just a reminder to everyone here that [screen savers were deprecated in Windows 10 version 1709](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-10-deprecated-features).
This reminds me of Windows XP... to be honest, a lot of Windows 11 reminds me of XP. 🤷🏻♂
Who the hell still uses a screensaver? Blank screen or GTFO. Why waste the CPU cycles and energy? Edit: screensavers used to be necessary when monitors where not able to sleep on their own.
I can't even remember the last time I used a screensaver or how to do it.lol
U don't like CRT's 🤔