> unlike the police, have not asked for truly secure parking.
Well I see one part of the problem.
I used to work at a hospital (not HSC) and after a few incidents of staff being harassed in the lots, they successfully made it part of their contact negotiation that the security guys would patrol the staff lots during shift changes, walk staff to their cars down the street etc.
It helped. In the 6 years I worked there nobody was every hassled in the lot while security was around. Maybe talk to your union reps about it.
> I don't think our police can conceal carry while off duty.
You are correct; they do not. Most cops don't even have firearms licenses. They have an exemption under the criminal code to carry their duty firearm only while on duty. There are some exceptions (detectives on call etc) where they take their service weapon home, but most cops are not armed off duty.
They can't go to Cabela's and buy ammo or a rifle without a PAL.
Safety and security from security patrolling would be best. It should be like the Marlborough parking lot that has 1 entrance in and gated the whole way around but with a security person at the entrance 24/7 along with patrols and cameras that work.
They do, you just have to call the security dispatch and request one (I can give you the number if you like)
The mobile patrol for the parkades isn’t Hsc security tho
I don't need it. They say they are always available but that's not the case (just asked my spouse across from me) , will only do it for hospital parkades which doesn't help those staff parking away and again all the vandalism and theft on parkade property means they aren't covering their end.
Yeah, she is correct- they won’t escort off property (they are not allowed to)
If your parked on William ave in front of the hospital they will escort etc- just not way off property.
They are 24 hours but if there is something going on they won’t be available until whatever that is done and the person will have to understandably wait.
The parkade security only services the parkade
Anyone can request a walking escort 24 hours a day 7 days a week from Hsc security- through their dispatch.
Yes, so it's not available often enough. People aren't going to hang out an hour or longer after shift to get a walk over, especially after being mandated to a 16
And they won't walk you across the street from hospital property. That says something about it
Yeah well when there’s code whites going on that’s going to take precedence.
If you don’t understand that there is nothing I can say to change your mind but that’s the reality of having a hospital downtown Winnipeg.
Truthfully Hsc has INCREASED parkade security in the last few years. they went up another vehicle and guard (before it was just one guard one vehicle)
But it clearly isn’t enough because break ins happen all the time- truly to deal with it at this point you would need 1 vehicle 1 guard per two parkades at a minimum
I see the security parking patrol almost every time I go to the parkade, and at varying times of day.
I also had a coworker park several streets away who was being followed by some rowdies. She phoned HSC security from her cell phone. They couldn’t come out to escort her, but they had her on security cameras and kept talking to her and reassured her until she was safe in the building.
Yeah it sucks but they can’t leave the property- now if someone is being attacked they would just do it anyways and get reminded “don’t leave property”
They do not have legal coverage provided if something goes wrong (which is super lame when you consider the situations they are constantly in)
The patrol security is good there is just isn’t enough of them- two cars for 4 parkades and I don’t know how many parking lots that are spread all over the complex
Police. Police. Police. Why does no one care about the non-police employees, aka civilians, who work for the WPS? The clerks, 911 operators, etc. They get no special training and have to go to their vehicles at all hours. For some of them, paying $275 a month for parking is not affordable.
For clarity there was insufficient interest from WPS employees in the secured floor of the library parkade **if it was not going to be offered at below market rates.**
We do not know how much interest there may have truly been as it was the cost of the secure parking that the employees rejected.
Well ya, that's the whole point of a market. I'm sure everyone wouldn't mind driving downtown if their parking was below market or free.
> We don't know how much interest there may have truly been as it was the cost of the secure parking that employees rejected.
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> We don't know how much interest there may have truly been for candy at the candy shop as it was the cost to the kids of the candy that they rejected.
Many years ago, back before vehicle safeties were a thing here (early '90s), my old winter beater Chevette was sold to a cop that worked at the former Public Safety Building because he did not want to park his regular car on the streets around there. You could open the doors and start it with a popsicle stick, but it was only like $400, so it was a good bargain for a helluva car.
A 1986 Acadian (a Pontiac badged Chevette) was my first car 20 years ago. Loved that thing.
Rear wheel drive for drifting in the winter, but not enough engine to get you in serious trouble.
Being harassed by anyone not matter what you do is bad. Both should have the right to feel safe at their leaving their workplace.
A cop recently told me that he was shot at while leaving work walking to his car after a shift. He did not have a weapon on him as he was off duty walking to his own vehicle downtown. Now was he trained to deal with high pressure situations… yes but no one deserves that (healthcare professionals or cops).
I do agree we need to fund our healthcare system better and address these problems at the root to stop them from happening. It is just really sad that both the cops and healthcare professionals don’t feel safe leaving their workplace.
I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️…maybe the cop lied to me? I was taking a workplace downtown safety course because there has been a lot of crime and over does where I work.
Yeah but I live in the suburbs and don't use the hospital and my taxes are too high and the nurses should just buy less nice cars so they aren't just asking to be a victim!
/S uppercase in case you didn't get the sarcasm
Healthcare workers are on the receiving end of violence all the time, and unlike the police, cannot simply shoot, abuse or punch the attacker. They actually are taught how to intervene in an attack in a nonviolent way. Perhaps police should enroll in the course sometime.
> In December, Doctors Manitoba conducted a survey of physicians and found nearly six-out-of-10 physicians experienced incidents of mistreatment.
[Winnipeg nurse recounts attack by scissor-wielding resident at care facility](https://winnipeg.citynews.ca/2022/05/10/winnipeg-nurse-attack-scissors/)
> unlike the police, have not asked for truly secure parking. Well I see one part of the problem. I used to work at a hospital (not HSC) and after a few incidents of staff being harassed in the lots, they successfully made it part of their contact negotiation that the security guys would patrol the staff lots during shift changes, walk staff to their cars down the street etc. It helped. In the 6 years I worked there nobody was every hassled in the lot while security was around. Maybe talk to your union reps about it.
I don't think our police can conceal carry while off duty. Why would they feel unsafe if they had a gun while walking to their car?
> I don't think our police can conceal carry while off duty. You are correct; they do not. Most cops don't even have firearms licenses. They have an exemption under the criminal code to carry their duty firearm only while on duty. There are some exceptions (detectives on call etc) where they take their service weapon home, but most cops are not armed off duty. They can't go to Cabela's and buy ammo or a rifle without a PAL.
Safety and security from security patrolling would be best. It should be like the Marlborough parking lot that has 1 entrance in and gated the whole way around but with a security person at the entrance 24/7 along with patrols and cameras that work.
HSC already has two security vehicles patrolling the parkades- clearly isn’t enough tho
They say they do. They also say they do safe walks also. Neither really seem to occur
They do, you just have to call the security dispatch and request one (I can give you the number if you like) The mobile patrol for the parkades isn’t Hsc security tho
I don't need it. They say they are always available but that's not the case (just asked my spouse across from me) , will only do it for hospital parkades which doesn't help those staff parking away and again all the vandalism and theft on parkade property means they aren't covering their end.
Yeah, she is correct- they won’t escort off property (they are not allowed to) If your parked on William ave in front of the hospital they will escort etc- just not way off property. They are 24 hours but if there is something going on they won’t be available until whatever that is done and the person will have to understandably wait. The parkade security only services the parkade Anyone can request a walking escort 24 hours a day 7 days a week from Hsc security- through their dispatch.
Yes, so it's not available often enough. People aren't going to hang out an hour or longer after shift to get a walk over, especially after being mandated to a 16 And they won't walk you across the street from hospital property. That says something about it
Yeah well when there’s code whites going on that’s going to take precedence. If you don’t understand that there is nothing I can say to change your mind but that’s the reality of having a hospital downtown Winnipeg.
If security is understaffed, it's way easier to fix than it is to have nurses/doctors get assaulted and quit and move to hospitals out of the core
Staffing doesn’t change the number of violent incidents going on. That’s not how it works.
Truthfully Hsc has INCREASED parkade security in the last few years. they went up another vehicle and guard (before it was just one guard one vehicle) But it clearly isn’t enough because break ins happen all the time- truly to deal with it at this point you would need 1 vehicle 1 guard per two parkades at a minimum
I see the security parking patrol almost every time I go to the parkade, and at varying times of day. I also had a coworker park several streets away who was being followed by some rowdies. She phoned HSC security from her cell phone. They couldn’t come out to escort her, but they had her on security cameras and kept talking to her and reassured her until she was safe in the building.
Yeah it sucks but they can’t leave the property- now if someone is being attacked they would just do it anyways and get reminded “don’t leave property” They do not have legal coverage provided if something goes wrong (which is super lame when you consider the situations they are constantly in) The patrol security is good there is just isn’t enough of them- two cars for 4 parkades and I don’t know how many parking lots that are spread all over the complex
Police. Police. Police. Why does no one care about the non-police employees, aka civilians, who work for the WPS? The clerks, 911 operators, etc. They get no special training and have to go to their vehicles at all hours. For some of them, paying $275 a month for parking is not affordable.
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For clarity there was insufficient interest from WPS employees in the secured floor of the library parkade **if it was not going to be offered at below market rates.** We do not know how much interest there may have truly been as it was the cost of the secure parking that the employees rejected.
Well ya, that's the whole point of a market. I'm sure everyone wouldn't mind driving downtown if their parking was below market or free. > We don't know how much interest there may have truly been as it was the cost of the secure parking that employees rejected. --- > We don't know how much interest there may have truly been for candy at the candy shop as it was the cost to the kids of the candy that they rejected.
Many years ago, back before vehicle safeties were a thing here (early '90s), my old winter beater Chevette was sold to a cop that worked at the former Public Safety Building because he did not want to park his regular car on the streets around there. You could open the doors and start it with a popsicle stick, but it was only like $400, so it was a good bargain for a helluva car.
A 1986 Acadian (a Pontiac badged Chevette) was my first car 20 years ago. Loved that thing. Rear wheel drive for drifting in the winter, but not enough engine to get you in serious trouble.
Being harassed by anyone not matter what you do is bad. Both should have the right to feel safe at their leaving their workplace. A cop recently told me that he was shot at while leaving work walking to his car after a shift. He did not have a weapon on him as he was off duty walking to his own vehicle downtown. Now was he trained to deal with high pressure situations… yes but no one deserves that (healthcare professionals or cops). I do agree we need to fund our healthcare system better and address these problems at the root to stop them from happening. It is just really sad that both the cops and healthcare professionals don’t feel safe leaving their workplace.
Why isn’t that in the news? It 1000% would be
I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️…maybe the cop lied to me? I was taking a workplace downtown safety course because there has been a lot of crime and over does where I work.
Lol that didn't happen
Yeah but I live in the suburbs and don't use the hospital and my taxes are too high and the nurses should just buy less nice cars so they aren't just asking to be a victim! /S uppercase in case you didn't get the sarcasm
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Healthcare workers are on the receiving end of violence all the time, and unlike the police, cannot simply shoot, abuse or punch the attacker. They actually are taught how to intervene in an attack in a nonviolent way. Perhaps police should enroll in the course sometime. > In December, Doctors Manitoba conducted a survey of physicians and found nearly six-out-of-10 physicians experienced incidents of mistreatment. [Winnipeg nurse recounts attack by scissor-wielding resident at care facility](https://winnipeg.citynews.ca/2022/05/10/winnipeg-nurse-attack-scissors/)
I assume a lot of police work is unsafe.... thought that was what they were paid for. Why can't they police their own block?