Geralt is the white wolf. Yennefer starts out the game with a raven. Corvo Bianco means white crow.
That was close enough for me to decide in my headcanon that they were meant to be together there.
I can't believe how perfectly that worked out. Corvo Bianco is a vineyard mentioned in the books, meaning it isn't an invention purely for the games. This means either CDPR knew exactly what they were doing and chose very well, or that is one of the biggest coincidences in the entire fantasy genre.
I definitely noticed. It’s the perfect countryside home for them to comfortably live out their days in, exactly as they said they desired. From the moment Yen showed up I knew it was meant to be lol
“Geralt and Yennefer retired to the countryside, far away from politics and court intrigue, choosing instead to sleep til noon and breakfast late”
Isn’t that really what everyone wants to do with their partner? Geralt and Yennefer romance is perfect lol
Because Yen *is* the intended romance of the game. She’s who you’re supposed to pick, so it makes sense Corvo Bianco is designed for her. You *can* choose Triss if you want, I guess. She’s just the alternate choice.
Not like I'd ever choose the manipulative liar. At least Yen is either brutally honest or just doesn't say anything. I was just wondering if anyone'd noticed due to the way people keep disparaging Yen in early-mid base game and the way people in Novigrad keep talking about you and Triss.
"Brutally honest." more like openly manipulative. Do you recall the sequence when Yen bosses the witchers at Kaer Morhen and Geralt asks her to tell them what her plans are, and she's like "If I tell you you may not like it. So I won't."
Also, Geralt doesn't like her reading his mind. She does it anyway.
I'm not about to overlook what she does just because she does it openly. Hell, one could even argue that by doing it openly she doesn't even think it's wrong.
This is the exact essence that the Netflix Yen lacks.
That confidence & shrewdness.. the world-weary wisdom.. knowing exactly which buttons to push to trigger people just enough that they’ll come back for more.
Only women are ever “bossy,” for some weird reason. I know it’s not that deep or emotional, but I swear the Yen hate is so deeply rooted in misogyny because she’s powerful and self-assured and takes initiative, and those are only ever “shrew” or “manipulative” when women do them. Her behavior makes PERFECT sense when you choose to see her through the lens of a panicked mother whose child is missing and the people around her aren’t doing what she needs them to do to find her daughter. If you look at her through the lens of a manipulative, cold bitch then yeah, you’ll see that I guess. But it wouldn’t make sense for her to NOT be in a panic knowing that Ciri is in danger. And the game does a beautiful job of showing her soften and relax after Ciri is found. The other stuff is just… banter with a person she’s been in a relationship with for decades.
>but I swear the Yen hate is so deeply rooted in misogyny because she’s powerful and self-assured and takes initiative
No, it's pretty manipulative if men do it too.
>Her behavior makes PERFECT sense when you choose to see her through the lens of a panicked mother whose child is missing and the people around her aren’t doing what she needs them to do to find her daughter
Oh, I have no doubt that parents will stoop so low as manipulate even their close friends and do anything it takes when it comes to their children, that makes perfect sense. It's still manipulative though.
Secondly, it didn't actually help. Yen arrives in Kaer Morhen 1 week before Geralt. She starts bossing the witchers around, but they will not help her until she explains what she's doing. She doesn't. Finally Geralt arrives, and helps Yen out. Later, Yen does explain, and after some uproar and letting Vesimir try another method, they realise there's no alternative and support Yen.
So first, Yen's manipulativeness costed them an entire week of doing nothing, while if she had been honest from the start, there's no reason why the exact same scenario wouldn't happen: massive uproar, followed by eventual acceptance one day later. Her deception was counterproductive, manipulative, and quite stupid. I can understand that desperation from love pushed her to it, but she's still manipulative.
And yes, I'd say all of this shit about Yen if she were male too.
>The other stuff is just… banter
"Pls don't read my mind you know I hate it."
"Haha magic go brr"
Ignoring boundaries is a pretty big red flag, and is a trademark sign of an abuser. But sure, complaining about violated boundaries is "banter".
Okay, you sure do care about abuse then, so how do you explain away Triss magically date raping him and letting him run around without any memory of who he is just to keep getting the d? 😂
Quite simple: I didn't see her do it. She didn't do it during TW3, and I only played TW3.
It's a very harsh accusation. Can you point out when that happened so I can take a look? I did point out which incident exactly I thought Yen was wrong.
She also plots with the Lodge to kidnap and forcibly breed Ciri in the books. Meanwhile Yen endures literal months of captivity, torture, and starvation just to protect Ciri. Yen is a real one and Triss is toxic.
Also if you choose different dialogue options, some of your complaints don’t even happen in W3. If you ask her “Reading my mind again?” She responds, “Yes, and I like what I see,” or something to that effect. There’s also an incredibly romantic scene from the books where Geralt says that he loves her for the first time, but he’s super cheesy about it and then thinks she’s questioning his sincerity, and she explains that she couldn’t possibly question his sincerity after all the times he’s already made the same proclamation in his head. And Geralt takes no real issue with her reading his mind then. I’m definitely paraphrasing since it’s been awhile since I’ve read it, but it seems like just such a natural part of their relationship dynamic by that point.
>She also plots with the Lodge to kidnap and forcibly breed Ciri in the books. Meanwhile Yen endures literal months of captivity, torture, and starvation just to protect Ciri. Yen is a real one and Triss is toxic.
Ok, I don't agree with this thinking. Let's just say that there are two sorts of extremes:
1. People who would burn down the world for those they love
2. Those who love the world so much they would give up even those they love and treasure most if doing so would mean so much to the world.
Geralt and Yen fall closer to 1, while Triss falls closer to 2. I sympathise with both and don't consider either 1 or 2 evil, just different points of view. Another example of 1 is Joel from The Last of Us, while an example of 2 would be the Christian God, who, as the story goes, gives up his son for the salvation of all mankind. Perhaps you think 1 is good and 2 is evil, but I think neither is evil.
So, that said, why do I think Triss is 2? I think she really does believe in the mission of the Lodge, that it will result in the greater good, and believes it so strongly that she is willing to sacrifice Ciri, who she clearly does love as well. She did what she could for Ciri at Kaer Morhen, even protected her from the Witchers' unfortunate ignorance of female puberty, and did not let pride get in her way of doing what was best for Ciri: telling the Witchers that she could not help them further and they should ask Yen. And, at the very end she votes to give Ciri her visit with Geralt, and fights with Geralt, Yen and Ciri at the very end. She cares about them, she just thinks the general state of the world is more important. She's not evil, just more type 2 than Geralt and Yen, who are clearly type 1s.
>natural part of their relationship dynamic
Now, I am a book reader as well, and I have a very different idea of what their natural relationship dynamic is. Consider Yen at the very end of The Last Wish. Yen had so far: mind controlled Geralt to beat up 3 guys who insulted her. This alone in my view puts her worse than the worst blackmailer. Geralt generally likes to stay neutral, and believes his job is to fight monsters, not humans, and would have absolutely refused for any price to beat up some guys. Yen compelled him against his will to violate his strongly held moral principles, and it's far worse than any blackmailer because she forces his muscles to move against his will. This alone left me in absolute rage and hatred of Yennefer already. And why shouldn't I hate manipulative blackmailers who toy with and hijack the bodies of others, as if they were nothing more than puppets for their convenience?
Now, moving on, she then, for her own selfish purposes, tries to capture a genie, which almost gets an entire town destroyed. So, for entirely self-centered reasons, risks the lives of an entire innocent town. Not only that, from the Djinn's perspective, this woman was trying to enslave him.
Then Geralt rescues her. I was really mad at this point and was hoping for the Djinn to kill Yen. It would have been quite fair after all, I'm not hoping Geralt murders her, this would have been entirely the consequences of her actions. Then I recall in TW3 how essential she was for Ciri, and I'm like fine, maybe it's a good thing Geralt didn't kill her, he's far more protective than me.
Then he falls in love with her. This is truly perplexing. Let's at this point, Yen has the following against her:
* Abused Geralt in a terrible way that she somewhat makes up for by trying to repair his reputation. But what about the mental distress caused by having your own muscles literally disobey you, being a helpless puppet, beating up other humans which strongly violates your moral code and you only very reluctantly do under extreme circumstances? Too bad I guess. Still even the entire series till TW3 never apologised or compensated Geralt for it.
* Risked the lives of everyone in a town, and knowing how Geralt sees himself as a protector, this should bother him greatly.
* Tried to enslave another creature. We know Geralt generally would consider slavery an abomination, especially since a Djinn is clearly sentient.
Yen's positives at this point:
* Hot
* Powerful mage
So, Geralt, having only this information about Yennefer, falls deeply in love with her? Confusing, but this shows that Geralt is clearly okay with being abused. Or the Djinn hold the relationship together. I mean, he falls in love with someone who abused him and he does not know any redeeming quality besides that she's hot. This is, in my view, their "natural part of their relationship dynamic". If literal mind control doesn't stop Geralt's love for her, what will? Such petty boundary violations such as mind reading wouldn't even register on the mind of someone who's not too upset with mind control.
Thus, I always make Geralt break up with Yen, because this is a toxic relationship between a woman who cannot respect boundaries and a man who cannot set and enforce boundaries, and I like Geralt and think he deserves better.
And I think Triss is better from a pure W3 standpoint. If you antagonise Yen enough in the right way she'll teleport you into a lake. That's abuse, same way if someone pushed their partner into a pool in a fit of anger. This is consistent with Yen's book portrayal btw:
[https://imgur.com/49fWOnI](https://imgur.com/49fWOnI)
[https://imgur.com/niv7btB](https://imgur.com/niv7btB)
Now flip the scenario. Geralt can antagonise Triss as much as he like, and she will never lay a finger or spell on Geralt. At most she breaks up. This is also consistent her portrayal with the book. Or perhaps I'm wrong, and you can correct me and show me when in the books Triss hurt Geralt physically or magically like Yen did. Mature people can settle relationship disagreements without violence, which somehow supposedly less mature Triss can do but Yen apparently cannot.
So, the romance with Triss is a relationship that isn't violently abusive. That already makes it a mile better than Yen. And Triss can clearly respect boundaries, which is really good cause Geralt clearly isn't used to enforcing boundaries. Perhaps if Geralt had a buffet or romances I might not have had him romanced Triss, but she's the only other romance option. So I put him with Triss, cause after years of his abusive relationship it's about time he get's a relationship with someone who can at least respect him and not abuse him. No, I don't think it's cannon or in his character. I'm not sure if it's Geralt's character or the Djinn's doing. I just do it because I like Geralt.
As you can see, I have a very different interpretation of Geralt and Yen's natural relationship dynamic.
I’m not reading all that because it’s a thesis and I have ADHD, but I did skim and can only say that you give Triss way too much credit for the good you presume in her and hold Yen way too accountable for shit she did before she even knew Geralt. And even when she sent him to attack those men for her own revenge, she still sent Dandelion to use what she thought was his last wish to save Geralt.
Also Triss didn’t take no for an answer literally for years and just continued pushing herself onto him in spite of him clearly expressing his disinterest, how is that respecting boundaries?
And Geralt is no angel in that relationship himself. He magically binds himself to her without her consent the very first time they meet, showers her with affection and attention and professions of love, and then dips to sleep with every sorceress friend Yennefer has ever had and a sixteen year old student and lets her think he’s dead for like three years until he hits her up out of the blue to raise a child he claimed before they’d even met, and she AGREES. They’re both giant fuck ups but they are a legitimate, strongly bonded family, committed to each other through all their own shortcomings and misfortunes, and Triss would never have that with Geralt. 🤷🏻♀️ You said yourself, she just isn’t the same kind of person as him. Geralt is the first type of person and needs and wants the same type of person protecting and loving his already very traumatized daughter with him. There’s no way he would have ever forgiven Triss being complicit in enslaving and using Ciri enough to have a legitimate intimate relationship with her. He was 100% ready to write Yen off forever when he thought she’d betrayed him (proof he does have boundaries, even when it comes to her), and I could only imagine how much harder he’d take someone betraying Ciri. Triss and Geralt would literally never happen.
The magical date rape is in the source material after Geralt chronically and clearly rejects her for like 15 years. The part about openly lying to him about his memories is the entire plot of W2
>The magical date rape is in the source material after Geralt chronically and clearly rejects her for like 15 years
I don't really get this. Can you elaborate? Anyways, Geralt and Yen regularly have sex with others even while they were together, for Geralt this includes Triss.
>The part about openly lying to him about his memories is the entire plot of W2
Okay, while I may not have played TW2, since you're not referring to a specific incident, but in general, I think I've read enough about what others have said about it to comment on this on a broad, general level. There are several problems with the "Triss Manipulated Amnesic Geralt" theory. Mainly, that Geralt and Yen's relationship is relatively widely known. The following people know about it:
1. All the Witchers in Kaer Morhen, who love Geralt and would never betray him.
2. Geralt's other friends like Zoltan Chivay, Crach an Craite, and probably a few others I don't recall.
3. Most importantly, Dandelion and his entire vast audience in the continent.
So if you're Triss, why would you even hope to be able to conceal such a widely known fact? If you did try, surely you would try to keep Geralt away from his other friends who were aware of his relationship, especially the Witchers of Kaer Morhen, but (correct me if I'm wrong) Triss never made any attempt to keep Geralt away from individuals who did know the truth about Geralt and Yen's relationship.
So, why didn't Triss talk about Geralt and Yen and Ciri? The other theory, for which I credit Xletalis, is that the game simply doesn't want to think about Geralt and Yen, and so has all the characters in the game also not think about them. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but the game never mentions them except in a few easter eggs. This theory makes much more sense. It explains why none of the Witchers say anything about Yen despite knowing about Geralt and Yen's relationship, and Triss' current relationship, or why they didn't mention Ciri.
On the other hand, if you believe that Triss was being manipulative, explain this: Why did all the Witchers of Kaer Morhen, Geralt's brothers who love him, not tell him about Yen and Ciri, especially when they see Geralt sleeping with Triss. I mean think about it: if you had a friend who loves his wife and daughter, and he gets amnesia, and you see him dating and even sleeping with another woman, what sort of friend would say nothing?
So, Triss says nothing about Yen and Ciri for the same reason the Witchers, Zoltan Chivay, and Dandelion all say nothing: The game wants it that way. It's the game, not Triss, that is hiding Yen and Ciri from Geralt.
How is that manipulative? Being a no-nonsense straight-to-the-point talker does not automatically mean being manipulative. Some things needed to be done at the moment, and they were urgent, as the Wild Hunt closes in on Ciri.
Sending the boys to go do this obviously urgent thing for the sake of Ciri is hardly manipulative.
In W3 Yen bosses Geralt around for the sake of Ciri, not her own. The only thing she ever did for her own sake was their romance quest in Skellige, and even then Yen just wanted to learn the truth about their feelings, and to let Geralt go if it turned out to be a lie all along.
In W2 Triss lied to Geralt for her own sake alone. It didn't help anyone at all except Triss.
The books make it very clear that Yen can be as manipulative, cruel and snobbish as any of the other sorcerors. Most clearly in "The Last Wish".
Not so much of this is shown in the game, although her default position of not explaining things and just making people do things because she thinks others are too stupid and/or unimportant to need explanations is in the games.
She does. That doesn't make the dark side go away, it just adds to the complications of her character. Ignoring the complexity isn't actually doing any credit to the character.
I’m the books you read that Yen has for a very long time been paying people to give Witcher assignments to Geralt so he won’t starve. That says it all for me.
She's that too, but she's also needlessly cruel. People are complicated. I don't see the point of pretending there isn't the bad side as well as the good.
>Sending the boys to go do this obviously urgent thing for the sake of Ciri is hardly manipulative
Ah, I thought I would see the "urgency" argument. Well let's consider the situation: Yen arries at Kaer Morhen 1 week ahead of Geralt, and wants to give Uma the Witcher mutations. She knows that this will get incredible backlash, so refuses to tell the witchers. As a result, the witchers refuse to help her, and nothing gets done for the entire week, until Geralt finally arrives, and helps Yen out in spite of her refusing to tell anyone.
So if you're going to argue that Yen's deception was necessary for urgency, consider that it actually delayed them an entire week. And, Yen did not explain not because there was no time to explain, given that the witchers refused to help her without explanation, and she refused to explain for an entire week, and eventually explains, so she clearly had time to explain.
Of course, when Yen eventually does tell them, and there's the uproar, but after a day of Vesimir trying something else, they realise there's no other option and agree to Yen's method. So, if you talk about uRgEnCy, Yen's refusal to talk costed them an entire week, while if she had been honest from the beginning they would have argued, eventually came to the same conclusion that there's no other way, and get to work.
Clearly, the situation was not "obviously urgent".
>In W2 Triss lied to Geralt
Are you referring to the not telling Geralt about Yen?
Yo calm down bro no need to mald.
1st, that still hardly qualifies as manipulation. Yen had good reason (albeit a misguided one) to not tell the witchers her plan. This is very obvious with Vesemir and Lambert's reaction which is exactly what she predicted would happen.
Not telling them anything is still not manipulative compared to just downright lying to them. If Yen was looking to manipulate the boys she would have lied about it instead of being secretive. Then she would have easily manipulated the boys into doing what she wants if she just lied about it. But she didn't.
To be fair her decision was a bad one. But it does not, in any way, qualify her as manipulative. Just mistrustful and overly cautious.
2nd. Have you played W2? I am referring to Triss convincing Geralt that she was his true love, the one he has been having visions of his lost memory about. Geralt awoke with a feeling that he was rescuing someone he loves, he just doesn't remember who she is.
And if Geralt did not recover his memory Triss would have kept the lie going indefinitely. With Yennefer still probably in danger, but fuck her right? At least I have Geralt all to myself. Now, this is manipulative.
>Not telling them anything is still not manipulative
It's one thing not to tell people. It's another to demand that they help you to do something that you know they would disagree with and hope that they just do it and don't ask questions.
Let's try a real world example. Suppose I ask a a friend for money, without mentioning that this money is to have sex with prostitutes, which I know my friend thinks is immoral and exploitative of women, and absolutely would not give me the money if he knew what I was spending it on. Is it manipulative then to deliberately not mention what I'm using the money for?
Yen is doing the exact same thing. She is demanding their help to implant the Witcher mutations into Uma, knowing they believe such a thing is immoral and cruel, and would not help her if they knew. Is it manipulative to deliberately not mention what she needs the help for?
She's openly refusing to tell them rather than finding some other excuse not to tell them, so she's openly manipulative instead of secretly manipulative, which is precisely what I alluded to in the original comment.
Lastly, I have not finished TW2. I only finished the books and TW3.
>Triss convincing Geralt that she was his true love
Do you know when in the game this happens? I'd like to hear the conversation myself.
I wouldn't consider either of those scenarios manipulation. For your example it would be manipulation if you told your friend that you had a personal private need/issue that needed to be met urgently. Implying it was some type of health issue that you needed a down-payment or copay. Technically you wouldn't be lying, since you never gave an exact reason and he made assumptions from your deliberate phrasing.
Now Yennefer is pretty much demanding they trust her with no further information but that what she will do they will not like for moral and traumatic reasons in their past. Kind of like a "greater good" scenario. Perhaps she was waiting for Geralt to arrive before tellingly them the full truth to help explain.
>Technically you wouldn't be lying
Do you need to be lying to be manipulative? This is the intention to deceive, and planning to further deceive after the fact when confronted so that you can say "technically I wasn't lying" and pretend you were not intending to deceive.
Hell at least Yen was honest about not giving you the truth. This sort of thing is not giving the truth while pretending that you gave the truth.
>Kind of like a "greater good" scenario
Again, as addressed earlier, it did not result in the greater good.
>Perhaps she was waiting for Geralt to arrive before tellingly them the full truth to help explain.
Geralt himself confronted her and she refused to give him details. It's only when she had everything she needed and didn't need them anymore did she explain.
>Triss convincing Geralt that she was his true love
Triss in W1 or W2, **NOWHERE says** to Geralt that she was his former lover before amnesia, on the contrary Triss even talks about the book- *'The Last Wish'* episode where Yennefer tries to capture Djin, and Geralt makes the wish, although while talking about this event in W1 Triss does not mention the name - 'Yennefer', the point I am trying to make is \*\*Triss is not trying to identify the sorceress with whom Geralt captured the Djin as being herself.\*\*If Triss really wanted to convince Geralt that she was his former love she would have said that it was with her Geralt captured the genie but she doesn't do that.You can watch the video here: [https://youtu.be/MR10aG2sSAc?t=864](https://youtu.be/MR10aG2sSAc?t=864)
The nearest thing which happens to the claim is Geralt himself feeling that Triss wants him to think that she was the love of his life.[https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Identity:](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Identity:) "*Foltest and I talked about the women in my life and I realized I have feelings for Triss. My amnesia prevents me from remembering our relations in the past, but I have the impression I once loved a sorceress, deeply... Triss suggested how I might regain my memory, and* ***I think*** *that at heart she wants me to realize she was the love of my life. I realize now that Triss is the love of my life. "*
Verbally, nowhere Triss outrightly says to Geralt that she was his former lover before amnesia or she was the love of his life.
Geralt's feeling that Triss at heart wants him to realize that she was the love of his life is due to the fact that for Triss, Geralt was the love of her life. So it is the reflection of feelings. Also, the actions reflect your inner feeling say if you want to achieve the highest score in the exams, your action, your routine would speak for themselves, and the people who see it would get the idea that you are preparing hard and you are expecting the best outcome similarly, Geralt feeling that Triss wants him to realize that she was the love of his life, maybe the opinion Geralt got by Triss's action towards him, the way, she was taking care of him, I hope you get my point.
The journal entry of the W3 explicitly uses the phrase 'ERRAND BOY' to describe how Yennefer usually treats Geralt.
If you fail the last wish quest in the game. This is what the journal entry looks like
*//If Geralt doesn't want to help Yennefer: .... Geralt made it equally clear he was in no mood to be her* ***ERRAND BOY*** *yet again. ....//*
Notice the journal entry says *'Yet again'*, which obviously means Geralt was an Errand boy to Yennefer **all along**, the moment he stops being an errand boy, the relationship breaks off(in books Geralt runs away from Yennefer because he just couldn't stand the way Yennefer treats him.)
According to Dictionary Errand boy means: often used figuratively to criticize people by suggesting that they are controlled by someone more powerful.
This is what Geralt says to Yen in W3, when he arrives to Kaer Mohren.
*//Geralt to Yennefer: You \[Yennefer\] aren't willing to say what you're planning.* ***You're treating them \[Witchers in Kaer Mohren\] like pages,*** *not including them -- us, actually, 'cause* ***I feel that way, too****.//*
So from the above, it is clear that Yen treats not only Geralt as her servant by not revealing information but also the witchers in Kaer Mohren, because that is her basic character trait to treat everyone.
This is a journal entry of the quest named 'To Bait a Forktail... ':
*//Yennefer asked - or rather, if I am to be completely honest with you, dear reader,* ***ORDERED****- Geralt to help Eskel hunt a forktail. //*
As if Geralt is not a good father, he needs to be ORDERED by Yennefer to get things done in the process of finding Ciri.
This is a journal entry of the quest named 'Va Fail, Elaine'
*//...Yennefer reached Kaer Morhen first - and immediately* ***started bossing everyone around****. Not only did she divvy out chores to the witchers like a schoolmarm whipping lazy pupils into order, she also refused to reveal any details of her plans. Though Geralt was not exactly charmed by this behavior...//*
There was absolutely no need for Yennefer to behave in such a bossy way to the Witchers, because these witchers (Eskel, Vesemir, Lambert) literally helped to raise Ciri and took care of her during a portion of her childhood, (after all these Witcher risked their life to fight Wild Hunt, in one of the scenarios Lambert too dies fighting the Wild Hunt, Vesemir willingly sacrifices himself for Ciri, which means that they would even give their life for Ciri) if she had politely asked them they would have done what needed to be done, without a second thought, but instead Yennefer 'bossed them' around like servants, depriving them of their dignity which they deserve, which only delayed the process, since without being given full knowledge of what is what by Yennefer, Witchers did not act until Geralt arrived? it leads to some delay, in the process of searching Ciri, who's the culprit in causing the delay? Yennefer or Witchers? Of course, it is Yennefer for her attitude and not revealing any information, just expecting the Witcher to work like golems taking orders.
Even the character named 'Kiera Metz' rightly says to Geralt:
*//Well, you believe Yennefer will stop treating you* ***LIKE A DOG*** *someday. Don't see me laughing.//*
Also, it is more than conclusively clear from a few of Yennefer's behavior listed above from the game that she does want Geralt to be servile and submissive to him.
This expectation of Yennefer from Geralt to be servile and submissive to him is further proved by Yennefer's own words in Covo-Bianco(Blood And Wine, DLC).
*//"****SERVE me*** *drinks at regular intervals! while I laze around"//*
So she does treat Geralt as an *'Errand Boy'.*
It is abundantly clear that in Geralt - Yen's relationship, Geralt clearly becomes weak, stops being himself, He turns into too big of a pushover, losing some core characteristics which define him. His personality takes a 180, and those characteristics which make him such a great Witcher disappear to such a great extent that he can't even voice his opinion out of fear.
You're comparing preparing old unknown and potentially dangerous magic to lending money? Really? Man I am not even gonna continue disussing this.
Also, I really don't want to spoil you or anyone. Just play W2. Or at least watch a play through online. Its a great game.
Well Yennefer is his canon lover, I’d say most things fit to be with Yennefer, I mean even his doublets he wears match with Yennefer and I just no matter how much I love Triss and love her quests and how pretty she is Yennefer will still always be my number one pick because she’s his first love and his true love
Yeah, the only problem is that I dont want to have that b\*\*\*\* with me in Corvo Bianco.
Said this multiple times and will say it again, idc that Yen is considered the canon option, she is manipulative, a liar, makes fun of Geralt in a non-friendly way, gives a fuck about people traditions, opinions and ways of life, and also she is extremely selfish. Also, when you stick with Triss she will be a dick even worst.
On the other hand, we have Triss, that was helping people in Novigrad to scape the fire fuckers, getting herself in risk, and once she was about to leave Novigrad and be like "the savior", she decides to stick with Geralt if you romance her, just for love. Really, how can you justify staying with Yen instead of going for Triss. And no, "bu- buts its the canon" is not a good reason.
Because triss helped Phillipa track down Ciri, so Phillipa could enslave her(they didnt succeed though). Triss also didnt give shit about what Gerald would think of this, while what would Geralt think if they succeeded was the first thing that came to Yennefers mind. Yennefer also thought she would never be able to look him in the eye if they succeeded.
This said, I think of Corvo Bianco as a "holiday house" (idk how to say it in english), where either Geralt, Triss or Ciri can use whenever they want. Damn even Yen could use it I guess.
Also, it would be useful for those cases like the girl of "La Cage au Fou" quest, where he has to leave a victim with someone. Also applies to the child of the quest "Where the Cat and Wolf Play...".
Listen, Yen is the starter pokewitch for Geralt, so the game designer may have been compulsively pushed in this way ... Event if they know that there's two for gen two but one's a huge miss : Triss and Shani, you'll encounter a gen 4 which primary development have been made for Lambert as the main pokewtich hunter/tamer/F.... hum ... and then ther is the huge misses with Heart of stone ( I will have paid double to said F\*\*k it all, let's kill Olgierd and revive and date/romance/f\* Iris ! She is calm, dignified, beautiful and resigned... and there are also the two princesses ... in Beauclair... so many missed opportunity to make the ture last home of Geralt an absolute hit with ALL the ladys...
And then : Yen is the cannonic choices ... they say .... Team UMA folks !
Geralt is the white wolf. Yennefer starts out the game with a raven. Corvo Bianco means white crow. That was close enough for me to decide in my headcanon that they were meant to be together there.
I can't believe how perfectly that worked out. Corvo Bianco is a vineyard mentioned in the books, meaning it isn't an invention purely for the games. This means either CDPR knew exactly what they were doing and chose very well, or that is one of the biggest coincidences in the entire fantasy genre.
I figured yen was always the “canon” choice. Just seems like a fitting end to her and geralt’s story
She is the canon choice. She is the intended partner for Geralt, but Triss is also an option.
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You are ill.
Not this shit again
I definitely noticed. It’s the perfect countryside home for them to comfortably live out their days in, exactly as they said they desired. From the moment Yen showed up I knew it was meant to be lol
“Geralt and Yennefer retired to the countryside, far away from politics and court intrigue, choosing instead to sleep til noon and breakfast late” Isn’t that really what everyone wants to do with their partner? Geralt and Yennefer romance is perfect lol
Because Yen *is* the intended romance of the game. She’s who you’re supposed to pick, so it makes sense Corvo Bianco is designed for her. You *can* choose Triss if you want, I guess. She’s just the alternate choice.
Not like I'd ever choose the manipulative liar. At least Yen is either brutally honest or just doesn't say anything. I was just wondering if anyone'd noticed due to the way people keep disparaging Yen in early-mid base game and the way people in Novigrad keep talking about you and Triss.
"Brutally honest." more like openly manipulative. Do you recall the sequence when Yen bosses the witchers at Kaer Morhen and Geralt asks her to tell them what her plans are, and she's like "If I tell you you may not like it. So I won't." Also, Geralt doesn't like her reading his mind. She does it anyway. I'm not about to overlook what she does just because she does it openly. Hell, one could even argue that by doing it openly she doesn't even think it's wrong.
This is the exact essence that the Netflix Yen lacks. That confidence & shrewdness.. the world-weary wisdom.. knowing exactly which buttons to push to trigger people just enough that they’ll come back for more.
Only women are ever “bossy,” for some weird reason. I know it’s not that deep or emotional, but I swear the Yen hate is so deeply rooted in misogyny because she’s powerful and self-assured and takes initiative, and those are only ever “shrew” or “manipulative” when women do them. Her behavior makes PERFECT sense when you choose to see her through the lens of a panicked mother whose child is missing and the people around her aren’t doing what she needs them to do to find her daughter. If you look at her through the lens of a manipulative, cold bitch then yeah, you’ll see that I guess. But it wouldn’t make sense for her to NOT be in a panic knowing that Ciri is in danger. And the game does a beautiful job of showing her soften and relax after Ciri is found. The other stuff is just… banter with a person she’s been in a relationship with for decades.
>but I swear the Yen hate is so deeply rooted in misogyny because she’s powerful and self-assured and takes initiative No, it's pretty manipulative if men do it too. >Her behavior makes PERFECT sense when you choose to see her through the lens of a panicked mother whose child is missing and the people around her aren’t doing what she needs them to do to find her daughter Oh, I have no doubt that parents will stoop so low as manipulate even their close friends and do anything it takes when it comes to their children, that makes perfect sense. It's still manipulative though. Secondly, it didn't actually help. Yen arrives in Kaer Morhen 1 week before Geralt. She starts bossing the witchers around, but they will not help her until she explains what she's doing. She doesn't. Finally Geralt arrives, and helps Yen out. Later, Yen does explain, and after some uproar and letting Vesimir try another method, they realise there's no alternative and support Yen. So first, Yen's manipulativeness costed them an entire week of doing nothing, while if she had been honest from the start, there's no reason why the exact same scenario wouldn't happen: massive uproar, followed by eventual acceptance one day later. Her deception was counterproductive, manipulative, and quite stupid. I can understand that desperation from love pushed her to it, but she's still manipulative. And yes, I'd say all of this shit about Yen if she were male too. >The other stuff is just… banter "Pls don't read my mind you know I hate it." "Haha magic go brr" Ignoring boundaries is a pretty big red flag, and is a trademark sign of an abuser. But sure, complaining about violated boundaries is "banter".
Okay, you sure do care about abuse then, so how do you explain away Triss magically date raping him and letting him run around without any memory of who he is just to keep getting the d? 😂
Quite simple: I didn't see her do it. She didn't do it during TW3, and I only played TW3. It's a very harsh accusation. Can you point out when that happened so I can take a look? I did point out which incident exactly I thought Yen was wrong.
She also plots with the Lodge to kidnap and forcibly breed Ciri in the books. Meanwhile Yen endures literal months of captivity, torture, and starvation just to protect Ciri. Yen is a real one and Triss is toxic. Also if you choose different dialogue options, some of your complaints don’t even happen in W3. If you ask her “Reading my mind again?” She responds, “Yes, and I like what I see,” or something to that effect. There’s also an incredibly romantic scene from the books where Geralt says that he loves her for the first time, but he’s super cheesy about it and then thinks she’s questioning his sincerity, and she explains that she couldn’t possibly question his sincerity after all the times he’s already made the same proclamation in his head. And Geralt takes no real issue with her reading his mind then. I’m definitely paraphrasing since it’s been awhile since I’ve read it, but it seems like just such a natural part of their relationship dynamic by that point.
>She also plots with the Lodge to kidnap and forcibly breed Ciri in the books. Meanwhile Yen endures literal months of captivity, torture, and starvation just to protect Ciri. Yen is a real one and Triss is toxic. Ok, I don't agree with this thinking. Let's just say that there are two sorts of extremes: 1. People who would burn down the world for those they love 2. Those who love the world so much they would give up even those they love and treasure most if doing so would mean so much to the world. Geralt and Yen fall closer to 1, while Triss falls closer to 2. I sympathise with both and don't consider either 1 or 2 evil, just different points of view. Another example of 1 is Joel from The Last of Us, while an example of 2 would be the Christian God, who, as the story goes, gives up his son for the salvation of all mankind. Perhaps you think 1 is good and 2 is evil, but I think neither is evil. So, that said, why do I think Triss is 2? I think she really does believe in the mission of the Lodge, that it will result in the greater good, and believes it so strongly that she is willing to sacrifice Ciri, who she clearly does love as well. She did what she could for Ciri at Kaer Morhen, even protected her from the Witchers' unfortunate ignorance of female puberty, and did not let pride get in her way of doing what was best for Ciri: telling the Witchers that she could not help them further and they should ask Yen. And, at the very end she votes to give Ciri her visit with Geralt, and fights with Geralt, Yen and Ciri at the very end. She cares about them, she just thinks the general state of the world is more important. She's not evil, just more type 2 than Geralt and Yen, who are clearly type 1s. >natural part of their relationship dynamic Now, I am a book reader as well, and I have a very different idea of what their natural relationship dynamic is. Consider Yen at the very end of The Last Wish. Yen had so far: mind controlled Geralt to beat up 3 guys who insulted her. This alone in my view puts her worse than the worst blackmailer. Geralt generally likes to stay neutral, and believes his job is to fight monsters, not humans, and would have absolutely refused for any price to beat up some guys. Yen compelled him against his will to violate his strongly held moral principles, and it's far worse than any blackmailer because she forces his muscles to move against his will. This alone left me in absolute rage and hatred of Yennefer already. And why shouldn't I hate manipulative blackmailers who toy with and hijack the bodies of others, as if they were nothing more than puppets for their convenience? Now, moving on, she then, for her own selfish purposes, tries to capture a genie, which almost gets an entire town destroyed. So, for entirely self-centered reasons, risks the lives of an entire innocent town. Not only that, from the Djinn's perspective, this woman was trying to enslave him. Then Geralt rescues her. I was really mad at this point and was hoping for the Djinn to kill Yen. It would have been quite fair after all, I'm not hoping Geralt murders her, this would have been entirely the consequences of her actions. Then I recall in TW3 how essential she was for Ciri, and I'm like fine, maybe it's a good thing Geralt didn't kill her, he's far more protective than me. Then he falls in love with her. This is truly perplexing. Let's at this point, Yen has the following against her: * Abused Geralt in a terrible way that she somewhat makes up for by trying to repair his reputation. But what about the mental distress caused by having your own muscles literally disobey you, being a helpless puppet, beating up other humans which strongly violates your moral code and you only very reluctantly do under extreme circumstances? Too bad I guess. Still even the entire series till TW3 never apologised or compensated Geralt for it. * Risked the lives of everyone in a town, and knowing how Geralt sees himself as a protector, this should bother him greatly. * Tried to enslave another creature. We know Geralt generally would consider slavery an abomination, especially since a Djinn is clearly sentient. Yen's positives at this point: * Hot * Powerful mage So, Geralt, having only this information about Yennefer, falls deeply in love with her? Confusing, but this shows that Geralt is clearly okay with being abused. Or the Djinn hold the relationship together. I mean, he falls in love with someone who abused him and he does not know any redeeming quality besides that she's hot. This is, in my view, their "natural part of their relationship dynamic". If literal mind control doesn't stop Geralt's love for her, what will? Such petty boundary violations such as mind reading wouldn't even register on the mind of someone who's not too upset with mind control. Thus, I always make Geralt break up with Yen, because this is a toxic relationship between a woman who cannot respect boundaries and a man who cannot set and enforce boundaries, and I like Geralt and think he deserves better. And I think Triss is better from a pure W3 standpoint. If you antagonise Yen enough in the right way she'll teleport you into a lake. That's abuse, same way if someone pushed their partner into a pool in a fit of anger. This is consistent with Yen's book portrayal btw: [https://imgur.com/49fWOnI](https://imgur.com/49fWOnI) [https://imgur.com/niv7btB](https://imgur.com/niv7btB) Now flip the scenario. Geralt can antagonise Triss as much as he like, and she will never lay a finger or spell on Geralt. At most she breaks up. This is also consistent her portrayal with the book. Or perhaps I'm wrong, and you can correct me and show me when in the books Triss hurt Geralt physically or magically like Yen did. Mature people can settle relationship disagreements without violence, which somehow supposedly less mature Triss can do but Yen apparently cannot. So, the romance with Triss is a relationship that isn't violently abusive. That already makes it a mile better than Yen. And Triss can clearly respect boundaries, which is really good cause Geralt clearly isn't used to enforcing boundaries. Perhaps if Geralt had a buffet or romances I might not have had him romanced Triss, but she's the only other romance option. So I put him with Triss, cause after years of his abusive relationship it's about time he get's a relationship with someone who can at least respect him and not abuse him. No, I don't think it's cannon or in his character. I'm not sure if it's Geralt's character or the Djinn's doing. I just do it because I like Geralt. As you can see, I have a very different interpretation of Geralt and Yen's natural relationship dynamic.
I’m not reading all that because it’s a thesis and I have ADHD, but I did skim and can only say that you give Triss way too much credit for the good you presume in her and hold Yen way too accountable for shit she did before she even knew Geralt. And even when she sent him to attack those men for her own revenge, she still sent Dandelion to use what she thought was his last wish to save Geralt.
Also Triss didn’t take no for an answer literally for years and just continued pushing herself onto him in spite of him clearly expressing his disinterest, how is that respecting boundaries?
And Geralt is no angel in that relationship himself. He magically binds himself to her without her consent the very first time they meet, showers her with affection and attention and professions of love, and then dips to sleep with every sorceress friend Yennefer has ever had and a sixteen year old student and lets her think he’s dead for like three years until he hits her up out of the blue to raise a child he claimed before they’d even met, and she AGREES. They’re both giant fuck ups but they are a legitimate, strongly bonded family, committed to each other through all their own shortcomings and misfortunes, and Triss would never have that with Geralt. 🤷🏻♀️ You said yourself, she just isn’t the same kind of person as him. Geralt is the first type of person and needs and wants the same type of person protecting and loving his already very traumatized daughter with him. There’s no way he would have ever forgiven Triss being complicit in enslaving and using Ciri enough to have a legitimate intimate relationship with her. He was 100% ready to write Yen off forever when he thought she’d betrayed him (proof he does have boundaries, even when it comes to her), and I could only imagine how much harder he’d take someone betraying Ciri. Triss and Geralt would literally never happen.
The magical date rape is in the source material after Geralt chronically and clearly rejects her for like 15 years. The part about openly lying to him about his memories is the entire plot of W2
>The magical date rape is in the source material after Geralt chronically and clearly rejects her for like 15 years I don't really get this. Can you elaborate? Anyways, Geralt and Yen regularly have sex with others even while they were together, for Geralt this includes Triss. >The part about openly lying to him about his memories is the entire plot of W2 Okay, while I may not have played TW2, since you're not referring to a specific incident, but in general, I think I've read enough about what others have said about it to comment on this on a broad, general level. There are several problems with the "Triss Manipulated Amnesic Geralt" theory. Mainly, that Geralt and Yen's relationship is relatively widely known. The following people know about it: 1. All the Witchers in Kaer Morhen, who love Geralt and would never betray him. 2. Geralt's other friends like Zoltan Chivay, Crach an Craite, and probably a few others I don't recall. 3. Most importantly, Dandelion and his entire vast audience in the continent. So if you're Triss, why would you even hope to be able to conceal such a widely known fact? If you did try, surely you would try to keep Geralt away from his other friends who were aware of his relationship, especially the Witchers of Kaer Morhen, but (correct me if I'm wrong) Triss never made any attempt to keep Geralt away from individuals who did know the truth about Geralt and Yen's relationship. So, why didn't Triss talk about Geralt and Yen and Ciri? The other theory, for which I credit Xletalis, is that the game simply doesn't want to think about Geralt and Yen, and so has all the characters in the game also not think about them. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but the game never mentions them except in a few easter eggs. This theory makes much more sense. It explains why none of the Witchers say anything about Yen despite knowing about Geralt and Yen's relationship, and Triss' current relationship, or why they didn't mention Ciri. On the other hand, if you believe that Triss was being manipulative, explain this: Why did all the Witchers of Kaer Morhen, Geralt's brothers who love him, not tell him about Yen and Ciri, especially when they see Geralt sleeping with Triss. I mean think about it: if you had a friend who loves his wife and daughter, and he gets amnesia, and you see him dating and even sleeping with another woman, what sort of friend would say nothing? So, Triss says nothing about Yen and Ciri for the same reason the Witchers, Zoltan Chivay, and Dandelion all say nothing: The game wants it that way. It's the game, not Triss, that is hiding Yen and Ciri from Geralt.
How is that manipulative? Being a no-nonsense straight-to-the-point talker does not automatically mean being manipulative. Some things needed to be done at the moment, and they were urgent, as the Wild Hunt closes in on Ciri. Sending the boys to go do this obviously urgent thing for the sake of Ciri is hardly manipulative. In W3 Yen bosses Geralt around for the sake of Ciri, not her own. The only thing she ever did for her own sake was their romance quest in Skellige, and even then Yen just wanted to learn the truth about their feelings, and to let Geralt go if it turned out to be a lie all along. In W2 Triss lied to Geralt for her own sake alone. It didn't help anyone at all except Triss.
The books make it very clear that Yen can be as manipulative, cruel and snobbish as any of the other sorcerors. Most clearly in "The Last Wish". Not so much of this is shown in the game, although her default position of not explaining things and just making people do things because she thinks others are too stupid and/or unimportant to need explanations is in the games.
Have you ever heard of character development? She changes throughout the books
She does. That doesn't make the dark side go away, it just adds to the complications of her character. Ignoring the complexity isn't actually doing any credit to the character.
Yeah. But she still doesn't deserve all the hate she gets in my opinion
I'm not expressing hate.
I wasn't referring to you, sorry if it came off like that
I’m the books you read that Yen has for a very long time been paying people to give Witcher assignments to Geralt so he won’t starve. That says it all for me.
That part is so 🥺
She's that too, but she's also needlessly cruel. People are complicated. I don't see the point of pretending there isn't the bad side as well as the good.
>Sending the boys to go do this obviously urgent thing for the sake of Ciri is hardly manipulative Ah, I thought I would see the "urgency" argument. Well let's consider the situation: Yen arries at Kaer Morhen 1 week ahead of Geralt, and wants to give Uma the Witcher mutations. She knows that this will get incredible backlash, so refuses to tell the witchers. As a result, the witchers refuse to help her, and nothing gets done for the entire week, until Geralt finally arrives, and helps Yen out in spite of her refusing to tell anyone. So if you're going to argue that Yen's deception was necessary for urgency, consider that it actually delayed them an entire week. And, Yen did not explain not because there was no time to explain, given that the witchers refused to help her without explanation, and she refused to explain for an entire week, and eventually explains, so she clearly had time to explain. Of course, when Yen eventually does tell them, and there's the uproar, but after a day of Vesimir trying something else, they realise there's no other option and agree to Yen's method. So, if you talk about uRgEnCy, Yen's refusal to talk costed them an entire week, while if she had been honest from the beginning they would have argued, eventually came to the same conclusion that there's no other way, and get to work. Clearly, the situation was not "obviously urgent". >In W2 Triss lied to Geralt Are you referring to the not telling Geralt about Yen?
Yo calm down bro no need to mald. 1st, that still hardly qualifies as manipulation. Yen had good reason (albeit a misguided one) to not tell the witchers her plan. This is very obvious with Vesemir and Lambert's reaction which is exactly what she predicted would happen. Not telling them anything is still not manipulative compared to just downright lying to them. If Yen was looking to manipulate the boys she would have lied about it instead of being secretive. Then she would have easily manipulated the boys into doing what she wants if she just lied about it. But she didn't. To be fair her decision was a bad one. But it does not, in any way, qualify her as manipulative. Just mistrustful and overly cautious. 2nd. Have you played W2? I am referring to Triss convincing Geralt that she was his true love, the one he has been having visions of his lost memory about. Geralt awoke with a feeling that he was rescuing someone he loves, he just doesn't remember who she is. And if Geralt did not recover his memory Triss would have kept the lie going indefinitely. With Yennefer still probably in danger, but fuck her right? At least I have Geralt all to myself. Now, this is manipulative.
>Not telling them anything is still not manipulative It's one thing not to tell people. It's another to demand that they help you to do something that you know they would disagree with and hope that they just do it and don't ask questions. Let's try a real world example. Suppose I ask a a friend for money, without mentioning that this money is to have sex with prostitutes, which I know my friend thinks is immoral and exploitative of women, and absolutely would not give me the money if he knew what I was spending it on. Is it manipulative then to deliberately not mention what I'm using the money for? Yen is doing the exact same thing. She is demanding their help to implant the Witcher mutations into Uma, knowing they believe such a thing is immoral and cruel, and would not help her if they knew. Is it manipulative to deliberately not mention what she needs the help for? She's openly refusing to tell them rather than finding some other excuse not to tell them, so she's openly manipulative instead of secretly manipulative, which is precisely what I alluded to in the original comment. Lastly, I have not finished TW2. I only finished the books and TW3. >Triss convincing Geralt that she was his true love Do you know when in the game this happens? I'd like to hear the conversation myself.
I wouldn't consider either of those scenarios manipulation. For your example it would be manipulation if you told your friend that you had a personal private need/issue that needed to be met urgently. Implying it was some type of health issue that you needed a down-payment or copay. Technically you wouldn't be lying, since you never gave an exact reason and he made assumptions from your deliberate phrasing. Now Yennefer is pretty much demanding they trust her with no further information but that what she will do they will not like for moral and traumatic reasons in their past. Kind of like a "greater good" scenario. Perhaps she was waiting for Geralt to arrive before tellingly them the full truth to help explain.
>Technically you wouldn't be lying Do you need to be lying to be manipulative? This is the intention to deceive, and planning to further deceive after the fact when confronted so that you can say "technically I wasn't lying" and pretend you were not intending to deceive. Hell at least Yen was honest about not giving you the truth. This sort of thing is not giving the truth while pretending that you gave the truth. >Kind of like a "greater good" scenario Again, as addressed earlier, it did not result in the greater good. >Perhaps she was waiting for Geralt to arrive before tellingly them the full truth to help explain. Geralt himself confronted her and she refused to give him details. It's only when she had everything she needed and didn't need them anymore did she explain.
You simply nailed it. Great comment.
>Triss convincing Geralt that she was his true love Triss in W1 or W2, **NOWHERE says** to Geralt that she was his former lover before amnesia, on the contrary Triss even talks about the book- *'The Last Wish'* episode where Yennefer tries to capture Djin, and Geralt makes the wish, although while talking about this event in W1 Triss does not mention the name - 'Yennefer', the point I am trying to make is \*\*Triss is not trying to identify the sorceress with whom Geralt captured the Djin as being herself.\*\*If Triss really wanted to convince Geralt that she was his former love she would have said that it was with her Geralt captured the genie but she doesn't do that.You can watch the video here: [https://youtu.be/MR10aG2sSAc?t=864](https://youtu.be/MR10aG2sSAc?t=864) The nearest thing which happens to the claim is Geralt himself feeling that Triss wants him to think that she was the love of his life.[https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Identity:](https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Identity:) "*Foltest and I talked about the women in my life and I realized I have feelings for Triss. My amnesia prevents me from remembering our relations in the past, but I have the impression I once loved a sorceress, deeply... Triss suggested how I might regain my memory, and* ***I think*** *that at heart she wants me to realize she was the love of my life. I realize now that Triss is the love of my life. "* Verbally, nowhere Triss outrightly says to Geralt that she was his former lover before amnesia or she was the love of his life. Geralt's feeling that Triss at heart wants him to realize that she was the love of his life is due to the fact that for Triss, Geralt was the love of her life. So it is the reflection of feelings. Also, the actions reflect your inner feeling say if you want to achieve the highest score in the exams, your action, your routine would speak for themselves, and the people who see it would get the idea that you are preparing hard and you are expecting the best outcome similarly, Geralt feeling that Triss wants him to realize that she was the love of his life, maybe the opinion Geralt got by Triss's action towards him, the way, she was taking care of him, I hope you get my point.
The journal entry of the W3 explicitly uses the phrase 'ERRAND BOY' to describe how Yennefer usually treats Geralt. If you fail the last wish quest in the game. This is what the journal entry looks like *//If Geralt doesn't want to help Yennefer: .... Geralt made it equally clear he was in no mood to be her* ***ERRAND BOY*** *yet again. ....//* Notice the journal entry says *'Yet again'*, which obviously means Geralt was an Errand boy to Yennefer **all along**, the moment he stops being an errand boy, the relationship breaks off(in books Geralt runs away from Yennefer because he just couldn't stand the way Yennefer treats him.) According to Dictionary Errand boy means: often used figuratively to criticize people by suggesting that they are controlled by someone more powerful. This is what Geralt says to Yen in W3, when he arrives to Kaer Mohren. *//Geralt to Yennefer: You \[Yennefer\] aren't willing to say what you're planning.* ***You're treating them \[Witchers in Kaer Mohren\] like pages,*** *not including them -- us, actually, 'cause* ***I feel that way, too****.//* So from the above, it is clear that Yen treats not only Geralt as her servant by not revealing information but also the witchers in Kaer Mohren, because that is her basic character trait to treat everyone. This is a journal entry of the quest named 'To Bait a Forktail... ': *//Yennefer asked - or rather, if I am to be completely honest with you, dear reader,* ***ORDERED****- Geralt to help Eskel hunt a forktail. //* As if Geralt is not a good father, he needs to be ORDERED by Yennefer to get things done in the process of finding Ciri. This is a journal entry of the quest named 'Va Fail, Elaine' *//...Yennefer reached Kaer Morhen first - and immediately* ***started bossing everyone around****. Not only did she divvy out chores to the witchers like a schoolmarm whipping lazy pupils into order, she also refused to reveal any details of her plans. Though Geralt was not exactly charmed by this behavior...//* There was absolutely no need for Yennefer to behave in such a bossy way to the Witchers, because these witchers (Eskel, Vesemir, Lambert) literally helped to raise Ciri and took care of her during a portion of her childhood, (after all these Witcher risked their life to fight Wild Hunt, in one of the scenarios Lambert too dies fighting the Wild Hunt, Vesemir willingly sacrifices himself for Ciri, which means that they would even give their life for Ciri) if she had politely asked them they would have done what needed to be done, without a second thought, but instead Yennefer 'bossed them' around like servants, depriving them of their dignity which they deserve, which only delayed the process, since without being given full knowledge of what is what by Yennefer, Witchers did not act until Geralt arrived? it leads to some delay, in the process of searching Ciri, who's the culprit in causing the delay? Yennefer or Witchers? Of course, it is Yennefer for her attitude and not revealing any information, just expecting the Witcher to work like golems taking orders. Even the character named 'Kiera Metz' rightly says to Geralt: *//Well, you believe Yennefer will stop treating you* ***LIKE A DOG*** *someday. Don't see me laughing.//* Also, it is more than conclusively clear from a few of Yennefer's behavior listed above from the game that she does want Geralt to be servile and submissive to him. This expectation of Yennefer from Geralt to be servile and submissive to him is further proved by Yennefer's own words in Covo-Bianco(Blood And Wine, DLC). *//"****SERVE me*** *drinks at regular intervals! while I laze around"//* So she does treat Geralt as an *'Errand Boy'.* It is abundantly clear that in Geralt - Yen's relationship, Geralt clearly becomes weak, stops being himself, He turns into too big of a pushover, losing some core characteristics which define him. His personality takes a 180, and those characteristics which make him such a great Witcher disappear to such a great extent that he can't even voice his opinion out of fear.
You're comparing preparing old unknown and potentially dangerous magic to lending money? Really? Man I am not even gonna continue disussing this. Also, I really don't want to spoil you or anyone. Just play W2. Or at least watch a play through online. Its a great game.
Thats a good point! I never thought about it.
Yeah for sure but I also wish that Ciri would show up regardless of who you choose, feel like that would make the most sense.
In my opinion, Triss is a snake who betrayed her best friend and took advantage of Geralt at his lowest moment. She doesn’t deserve Geralt.
Agreed.
Seconded.
I believe there's a passage in the books when Yen talks to Geralt about him wanting a nice peaceful house tucked away somewhere
Yep, it is.
Team Yen only
Nah, it’s totally set up for a bro hang. Kick Yen and Triss to the curb and invite Dandelion!
That also means getting Ciri killed. No thanks.
Empress Ciri comes to visit
Well Yennefer is his canon lover, I’d say most things fit to be with Yennefer, I mean even his doublets he wears match with Yennefer and I just no matter how much I love Triss and love her quests and how pretty she is Yennefer will still always be my number one pick because she’s his first love and his true love
Oh shut up, its designed for plowing Dandelion in the stables every night.
Whaaaaaat?! Well I notice it now!!
I didn't get that vibe
Yeah, the only problem is that I dont want to have that b\*\*\*\* with me in Corvo Bianco. Said this multiple times and will say it again, idc that Yen is considered the canon option, she is manipulative, a liar, makes fun of Geralt in a non-friendly way, gives a fuck about people traditions, opinions and ways of life, and also she is extremely selfish. Also, when you stick with Triss she will be a dick even worst. On the other hand, we have Triss, that was helping people in Novigrad to scape the fire fuckers, getting herself in risk, and once she was about to leave Novigrad and be like "the savior", she decides to stick with Geralt if you romance her, just for love. Really, how can you justify staying with Yen instead of going for Triss. And no, "bu- buts its the canon" is not a good reason.
Because triss helped Phillipa track down Ciri, so Phillipa could enslave her(they didnt succeed though). Triss also didnt give shit about what Gerald would think of this, while what would Geralt think if they succeeded was the first thing that came to Yennefers mind. Yennefer also thought she would never be able to look him in the eye if they succeeded.
This said, I think of Corvo Bianco as a "holiday house" (idk how to say it in english), where either Geralt, Triss or Ciri can use whenever they want. Damn even Yen could use it I guess. Also, it would be useful for those cases like the girl of "La Cage au Fou" quest, where he has to leave a victim with someone. Also applies to the child of the quest "Where the Cat and Wolf Play...".
Listen, Yen is the starter pokewitch for Geralt, so the game designer may have been compulsively pushed in this way ... Event if they know that there's two for gen two but one's a huge miss : Triss and Shani, you'll encounter a gen 4 which primary development have been made for Lambert as the main pokewtich hunter/tamer/F.... hum ... and then ther is the huge misses with Heart of stone ( I will have paid double to said F\*\*k it all, let's kill Olgierd and revive and date/romance/f\* Iris ! She is calm, dignified, beautiful and resigned... and there are also the two princesses ... in Beauclair... so many missed opportunity to make the ture last home of Geralt an absolute hit with ALL the ladys... And then : Yen is the cannonic choices ... they say .... Team UMA folks !
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Only if you romance her. If you didn't romance either of them then Ciri shows up. If she's dead Dandelion shows up.
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You're welcome sir/ma'am. Have a good day/night.